WEBVTT - Secret Agent Man: Garrison Courtney

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<v Speaker 1>Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio Saren Elizabeth.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, ELIZABETHA listen, buddy, you know what's ridiculous?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh man, dude, I was just reading this email that

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<v Speaker 3>the interns handed me. They hand me the emails, unlike you. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 3>it was from this rude dude, Andrew Right, and it's

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<v Speaker 3>kind of awesome. So subject line ridiculous, but no crime,

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<v Speaker 3>so he writes, and I quote. A while ago, maybe

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<v Speaker 3>ten years, I was starting my crafting era. As fate

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<v Speaker 3>would have it, when visiting a local good Will store,

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<v Speaker 3>there were two film reels on top of the soda

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<v Speaker 3>fridge by the checkout. I thought, oh, gosh, I can

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<v Speaker 3>craft something out of film, right, No idea what that

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<v Speaker 3>would have been, but I'm sure pinterest has some ideas.

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<v Speaker 3>When I got home, of course, I wanted to see

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<v Speaker 3>what these film reels could be. Enter my trusty flashlight.

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<v Speaker 3>Turns out they were part one and part two of

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<v Speaker 3>Deep Throat What Elizabeth the porn film? Oh god, but

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<v Speaker 3>how can we watch this cinematic masterpiece. We were bragging

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<v Speaker 3>about our score to friends that we didn't have a

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<v Speaker 3>movie projector. One person said, no, we have a movie projector.

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<v Speaker 3>At church, I can check it out and load it

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<v Speaker 3>to you. And that is how the Mormon Church assisted

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<v Speaker 3>me in watching Deep Throat. Wait, thanks Joseph Smith.

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<v Speaker 2>Fistbump, this is the greatest femail.

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<v Speaker 3>So I was inspired by the Nixon episode because we

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<v Speaker 3>met a deep throat. So he says, thanks for all

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<v Speaker 3>the amazing ridiculousness and crimes ing. Thank you for that

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<v Speaker 3>awesome story, Sir.

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<v Speaker 2>Andrew Andrew, I love the crafting and getting the film.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm desperate to see what you would have come up with,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm so glad you used a church projector rupted

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<v Speaker 2>the greatest. That is ridiculous, amazing. Do you know what

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<v Speaker 2>else is ridiculous?

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<v Speaker 1>No?

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<v Speaker 3>I Don't's why I showed up today.

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<v Speaker 2>Super secret spy organizations, those I know you do. This

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<v Speaker 2>is ridiculous Crime A podcast about absurd and outrageous capers,

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<v Speaker 2>heists and cons. It's always ninety nine percent murder free

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<v Speaker 2>and one hundred percent ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>Ridiculous siculus sticulous, ridiculous siculus sticulusticulus, siculusticulous.

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<v Speaker 2>That was so good. It's really fun. It was fun

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<v Speaker 2>for us.

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<v Speaker 3>That was ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>Right now, right, I am standing in my.

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<v Speaker 3>Truth sitting in it, but shirt whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Sharing my journey as someone who watches and loves television.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah you are, I have.

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<v Speaker 2>I've divulged that I'm currently watching Scandal. Yes, it's taking

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<v Speaker 2>me a while because I only watch a handful of

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<v Speaker 2>episodes a week.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure you know.

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<v Speaker 2>When I'm not working or taking time to insult people

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<v Speaker 2>in their hobbies, I watch the show.

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<v Speaker 3>I look forward to your text about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I like to. I like to live text and

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<v Speaker 2>then I know that they you know.

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<v Speaker 3>Years later live text, and then I respond days later

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<v Speaker 3>to your year's late live texting of the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Go on context free thing. So well, I'm not spoiling

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<v Speaker 2>anything for anyone who hasn't gotten on the Olivia Pope.

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<v Speaker 2>I trust my gut and it's always wrong train. So

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<v Speaker 2>the show is about a woman, Olivia Pope. There's a

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<v Speaker 2>political fixer in Washington, d C. She was on the

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<v Speaker 2>President's successful campaign, and she was also on the president

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<v Speaker 2>successfully They were having an affairs Aaron. There are a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of plot lines, some freestanding to an episode, but

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<v Speaker 2>most running throughout the entire series, like the free standing ones.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel is just like the first season and they

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<v Speaker 2>gave up.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they figured out the whole Monster of the Week

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<v Speaker 3>thing won't work for them.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, which is kind of a shame because I

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<v Speaker 2>like that. But here one of the big plot lines

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<v Speaker 2>is this B six thirteen. Yes, right, it's a super

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<v Speaker 2>secret spy agency that operates above the levels of government

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<v Speaker 2>in the US. They work for the Republic.

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<v Speaker 3>They're the d state.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't answer to the President or the DJ or

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<v Speaker 2>NSA or.

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<v Speaker 3>Another alphabet supreme court them.

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<v Speaker 2>They operate above the laws. So the members of B

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<v Speaker 2>six thirteen are trained spies and killers, experts in interrogation

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<v Speaker 2>and infiltration and assassination, dancing, and they're they're the greatest dancers.

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<v Speaker 2>They're everywhere, always everywhere. And then one of them was

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<v Speaker 2>even once married to Jennifer Garner. Yes, so anyway, B

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<v Speaker 2>six thirteen. They say this phrase all the time in

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<v Speaker 2>the show B six thirteen. It gets tossed around like crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>If you drank every time you've heard someone say it,

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<v Speaker 2>RIPU and your vaporized liver. So I have no idea

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<v Speaker 2>what the B stands for or the six thirteen whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's it sounds like it's something spy.

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<v Speaker 3>Sounds like Bureau six thirteen.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and obviously something spyish is something you aren't supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to know about, super secret.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's also supposed to sound like M I six,

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<v Speaker 3>where it's like even different than the traditional FBI.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very international. It's compelling, right, and so I love

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<v Speaker 2>And that's why it's a component of Scandal, the wildest

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<v Speaker 2>telenovela about the beltwet. So that said, let me tell

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<v Speaker 2>you about a guy.

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<v Speaker 3>I love. A guy, go ahead, the.

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<v Speaker 2>Name of Garrison Courtney. It sounds like a character on Scandal.

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<v Speaker 3>Courtney to Garrison.

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<v Speaker 2>Courtney's dad was in the Air Force, and because his

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<v Speaker 2>dad was stationed there, he was born in the Philippines.

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<v Speaker 2>But this family moved back to the States, more specifically

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<v Speaker 2>Great Falls, Montana, when he was only four years. When

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<v Speaker 2>he's five, his mom is like I can't take it.

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<v Speaker 2>She leaves, She's like bye bye, Great Falls. And then

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<v Speaker 2>his dad he meets a lady he marries or he's

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<v Speaker 2>course the same day, amazing man, like three hours later, just.

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<v Speaker 3>Winds are over, fre software feet whirlwind romance.

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<v Speaker 2>That's how it works. In Montana, he spent most of

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<v Speaker 2>his time with his stepmom, and he later characterized that

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<v Speaker 2>as very difficult and lonely because his dad was always

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<v Speaker 2>away working. According to the Daily Beast, in high school,

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<v Speaker 2>he quote worked as a student aid, excelled on the

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<v Speaker 2>debate team, played in the jazz band, served on the

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<v Speaker 2>yearbook staff, competed on the drama team, and was named

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<v Speaker 2>student body president. So he's just like, you know them,

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<v Speaker 2>a number one guy totally.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know something about jazz band. It's kind of

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<v Speaker 3>where when you hear jazz band because I can't imagine,

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<v Speaker 3>like in forty years they're being my high school's hip

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<v Speaker 3>hop band. I was like it being like kind of

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<v Speaker 3>geeky and like that, like parents have to get together

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<v Speaker 3>to give him money to travel.

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<v Speaker 2>You know it will be the hip hop band with

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<v Speaker 2>the DJ. Right, my son is the DJ and the

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<v Speaker 2>hip hop.

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<v Speaker 3>Band hip hop hands.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, Oh that was terrible and I love it. His

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<v Speaker 2>theater teacher described him as quote an idea man. I

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<v Speaker 2>like that, right, and quote your typical class clown who

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<v Speaker 2>had millions of thoughts, plans, and schemes in his brain

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<v Speaker 2>and was always looking for a way to manipulate systems

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<v Speaker 2>and people and create stories about his life.

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<v Speaker 3>I kind of got it.

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<v Speaker 2>Starts out really wholesome, and then it just starts getting

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit darker to manipulate systems and people. What

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<v Speaker 2>a high school could wait? What? Anyway, she warned him

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<v Speaker 2>at one point to use his powers for good, not evil.

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<v Speaker 3>I got that speech, did you? I really did?

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<v Speaker 2>Yikes?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah no, so I listened.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thank god. In nineteen ninety four, after high school,

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<v Speaker 2>he joined the Army National Guard.

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<v Speaker 3>I did not do that.

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<v Speaker 2>And one of his duties in that capacity was to

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<v Speaker 2>fight forest fires in Montana. That is brutal.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>In ninety five he went on active duty with the army,

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<v Speaker 2>but then he got honorably discharged the next year because

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<v Speaker 2>he got all this lung damage fighting fires.

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<v Speaker 3>By the way, shout out to all the firefighters.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, especially inmate firefighters.

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<v Speaker 3>All of them. Yeah, but like in particular. Yes, those

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<v Speaker 3>we're getting paid nothing and can't do the job when

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<v Speaker 3>they get out.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's so mad. Things. We've got really bad wildfires

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<v Speaker 2>going on, right, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a California thing. We think about it. But all

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<v Speaker 3>of them, all the fires send a lot of love,

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<v Speaker 3>not just the ones to help us, like all of the.

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<v Speaker 2>Everywhere, all across this world. You know, let's just take

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<v Speaker 2>a moment to thank every firefighter on.

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<v Speaker 3>This It's also one of the coolest job titles ever,

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<v Speaker 3>Like what do you do? I fight?

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<v Speaker 2>Fire fight?

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<v Speaker 3>Like can you imagine? Like what do you I'm a

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<v Speaker 3>water fighter, I'm a wind fighter. None of the other

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<v Speaker 3>elements would sound yeah, but firefighter.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the coolest.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyway, go on, So he gets out.

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<v Speaker 2>He you know, he attends Montana State University Northern. He's

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<v Speaker 2>the editor of the school paper there.

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<v Speaker 3>So he's just a goer, storyteller, storyteller.

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<v Speaker 2>Around ninety seven, he transferred to University of Montana at

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<v Speaker 2>Missoula and he studied broadcast journalism. Graduated in two thousand.

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<v Speaker 3>Nice.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's what one of his college roommates had to say.

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<v Speaker 2>Quote a phone call a couple of weeks before class

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<v Speaker 2>started in August of nineteen ninety seven, told me that

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<v Speaker 2>my final semester at UM was going to be anything

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<v Speaker 2>but ordinary. And wait, doesn't that sound like the beginning

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<v Speaker 2>of like an essay? Horrible? Anyway? To continue the quote?

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<v Speaker 3>To get into college? Yeah, right, college entrances.

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<v Speaker 2>On the other end of the phone was Garrison, who

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<v Speaker 2>said he was going to be one of my roommates.

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<v Speaker 2>He said he was a stand up comedian, and I

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<v Speaker 2>believed him because he pretty much did an hour long

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<v Speaker 2>routine over the phone. Garrison could do hundreds of spot

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<v Speaker 2>on impressions Oh god. And he proved it to me

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<v Speaker 2>by doing most of them on that phone call.

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<v Speaker 3>As somebody who will entertain himself with impressions, Oh god,

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<v Speaker 3>an hour long. I'm something you just met, you knowing,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like on the phone.

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<v Speaker 2>Very few people can do impressions like I can.

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<v Speaker 3>No, yeah, are you kidding me? I don't even get close.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, so the roommates said that living with him was

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<v Speaker 2>like quote living with Robin Williams during a Letterman set.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh God.

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<v Speaker 2>And he said, everyone like gravitated.

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<v Speaker 3>Towards him, or like some good cocaine.

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<v Speaker 2>That sounds exhausting. He sounds so exhausting, like I am

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<v Speaker 2>your new roommate.

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<v Speaker 3>And then he just chatters for vers impressions. You're like,

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<v Speaker 3>what the hell?

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<v Speaker 2>Man? He's like, can we talk? Wait? What stop? He

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<v Speaker 2>also gave this anecdote quote one night he told me

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<v Speaker 2>he was going to join the UM football team. He

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<v Speaker 2>talked to head coach mc denihey, and he said he

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<v Speaker 2>was all said to become a grizzly lineman. He was

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<v Speaker 2>big enough.

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<v Speaker 3>But I was.

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<v Speaker 2>Skeptical of his story because I was familiar with how

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<v Speaker 2>players joined the football team just randomly walking by practice

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<v Speaker 2>and saying, hey, I can play. Usually is and how

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<v Speaker 2>it works. Garrison, though, was convincing. The next day he

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<v Speaker 2>told me he failed a physical because of his knees

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<v Speaker 2>and lungs, so his football plans were over.

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<v Speaker 3>Nah darn.

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<v Speaker 2>So at the same time, don't worry, though, like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>here's here's the problem he ran into. He was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a stand up comedian, yes, but at the same time,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to be a football player. So he's dead

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<v Speaker 2>set on the football, so he said he told people

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<v Speaker 2>that because he was sure that football was a go,

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<v Speaker 2>he had to cancel a bunch of stand up shows

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<v Speaker 2>that he'd booked all over the state. The problem is

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<v Speaker 2>in like football falls through, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, now the bookers think he's a flag But

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<v Speaker 3>well then.

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<v Speaker 2>So, yeah, all the slots had already been taken up.

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<v Speaker 2>They're like, oh, sorry, we booked the spin doctors.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this is a very big comedy area. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 3>no comedy through all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, his roommates said, quote, knowing that Montana is not

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<v Speaker 2>exactly a hotbed for live comedy. That seems suspect, but again,

0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:37.959
<v Speaker 2>Garrison was convincing the same wavelength anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not a stop on the big comedy circuits than this, right.

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<v Speaker 2>He says that Courtney told him that he was going

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<v Speaker 2>to join the cheerleading squad. Quote. I thought he was

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<v Speaker 2>full of But the next home game comes and he's

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<v Speaker 2>down there on the field with the cheerleaders in full uniform.

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<v Speaker 2>He did so many things that didn't seem realistic, but

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<v Speaker 2>he sold it to you.

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<v Speaker 3>He did them so and then you're like, well, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>did he go Was he doing the like throwing the

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<v Speaker 3>cheerleaders up in the air. He's like one of the

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<v Speaker 3>guys who's like the stand holder guys. Yeah, he'd have

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<v Speaker 3>to practice. It doesn't sound like a guy who's gonna

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<v Speaker 3>show up two weeks of practice.

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<v Speaker 2>No. There was an article in nineteen ninety eight in

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<v Speaker 2>the school paper about huh quote. Courtney, a junior whose

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<v Speaker 2>academic pursuits range from journalism to dance, is a sort

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<v Speaker 2>of unlikely renaissance man. When asked to list his numerous

0:12:29.440 --> 0:12:33.160
<v Speaker 2>and varied activities, he rolls his eyes, takes a deep breath,

0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:36.280
<v Speaker 2>and starts counting on his fingers. There are too many

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<v Speaker 2>people that just sit back and do nothing, Courtney explained,

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't like it if I wasn't involved in anything.

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<v Speaker 2>Aside from juggling his scholastic workload. Courtney currently plays the

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<v Speaker 2>role of fraternity brother, radio disc jockey, stand up comedian, cheerleader,

0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:55.040
<v Speaker 2>and part time model. Newly added to his um resume

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<v Speaker 2>maybe the position of self defense guru.

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<v Speaker 3>What this guy really missed out being a technic life coach?

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<v Speaker 2>Let me let the paper tell you. Courtney made time

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<v Speaker 2>in his schedule last week to teach a two part

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<v Speaker 2>seminar for UM's experimental college program entitled Basic Self Defense.

0:13:13.559 --> 0:13:17.319
<v Speaker 2>Courtney holds a third degree black belt in an offshoot

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<v Speaker 2>of Chinese kung fu called Shaolin chin Naw that translated

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<v Speaker 2>literally means seize and control. The ranking took him the

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<v Speaker 2>better part of eleven years to obtain, Courtney said, although

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<v Speaker 2>he only began to study seriously while he was in

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<v Speaker 2>high school. So his roommate was like, that's total garbage

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<v Speaker 2>because he'd never seen Courtney work out train.

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<v Speaker 3>You would have some evidence.

0:13:46.240 --> 0:13:47.960
<v Speaker 2>They're a little bit important. If you're going to be

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<v Speaker 2>like a martial art.

0:13:48.720 --> 0:13:50.920
<v Speaker 3>You would come back from a gym at least once.

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<v Speaker 2>At least once, So like Courtney did know some moves,

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<v Speaker 2>but like his roommate was, like, I think he learned

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<v Speaker 2>that as a kid. All kia kia. So after college,

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<v Speaker 2>Courtney gets a job. He becomes the weatherman at a

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<v Speaker 2>CBS affiliate in Missoula.

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<v Speaker 3>Perfect fie, really.

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<v Speaker 2>Forget to mention his meteorological training.

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<v Speaker 3>You did forget to mention it.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I did not forget because he didn't have any erran.

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<v Speaker 2>So he was named the Missoula Independence Best Forecaster that year.

0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:25.640
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I guess there are some weather reporters who

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<v Speaker 2>aren't meteorologists and they just read, you know, whatever's generated.

0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:33.200
<v Speaker 2>He gets transferred to science it is he gets well,

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<v Speaker 2>you know who is a weatherman, David Letterman.

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<v Speaker 3>That's true.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So Courtney gets transferred to Eugene, Oregon. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>not really clear what his next jobs were, but they

0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:43.760
<v Speaker 2>seem to be with the government. Here are some of them.

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<v Speaker 2>Spokesman for the Department of Homeland Security in Seattle, Congressional

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<v Speaker 2>liaison for Immigration and Customs Enforcement in I and S.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that that was in d C communications

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<v Speaker 2>staffer for a Republican representative from Florida, that Representative Catherine Harris.

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<v Speaker 3>No way from this way.

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<v Speaker 2>He also said he was chief of staff for a

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<v Speaker 2>quote high profile member of Congress. That's mysterious. Maybe it

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<v Speaker 2>was Melly Grant, who knows. Okay, so two thousand and five,

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<v Speaker 2>he's living in DC like Olivia Pope. Is he wearing

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<v Speaker 2>spike heels and full length leather gloves?

0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:26.200
<v Speaker 3>Is he wearing like full length gloves and spiked heels?

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<v Speaker 2>You know? Who's to say? He was working as a

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<v Speaker 2>spokesman for the DEA, and he stayed doing that until

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and nine. But you go back two thousand

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<v Speaker 2>and five, he did actually apply for and was offered

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<v Speaker 2>a job from the CIA.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait, he applied for one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but they it isn't really how it works. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>he didn't respond to the board and then two years

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to go apply And then two years went

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<v Speaker 2>by and the offer last laps two years.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he had his offer in the cis so bad.

0:15:58.720 --> 0:16:01.160
<v Speaker 3>They're like, we need somebody who can do weather comedy.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe sure that.

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<v Speaker 2>You can apply for a job at the CIA, but.

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<v Speaker 3>Not as like an agent.

0:16:05.520 --> 0:16:07.600
<v Speaker 2>Why not? I'm going to write him a letter.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, guys, me, from what I.

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<v Speaker 3>Understand that it's more often that they reach out to you, Like,

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<v Speaker 3>would you consider?

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I understood? But who you know?

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<v Speaker 3>All the people I know have been approached by the CIA.

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<v Speaker 3>The CI approached them, right, So I guess that same

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<v Speaker 3>as speak to yourself. Yeah, it is. You can learn

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<v Speaker 3>a lot, you can, you can. What's the bar?

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<v Speaker 2>All the people I've known named John are named John,

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<v Speaker 2>So it's safe to say he never worked for the CIA.

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<v Speaker 2>Like me, I haven't worked for the CIA. No, or

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<v Speaker 2>have I. So in this era of his life, he

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<v Speaker 2>got married, he started a family. According to him, from

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and nine to twenty ten, he worked as

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<v Speaker 2>a producer at TMZ. Just a weird career turned totally Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there's no evidence of this.

0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:54.920
<v Speaker 3>And you think they could find that.

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<v Speaker 2>He might have been a secret agent for TMS.

0:16:56.840 --> 0:16:58.600
<v Speaker 3>There you go deep cover on TMZ.

0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:02.040
<v Speaker 2>Whatever he's doing. He did leave government work and he

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<v Speaker 2>started working as a consultant for various defense companies. I mean, like,

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<v Speaker 2>so he has this dea resume contractor, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Defense Secure, Special Security.

0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:13.679
<v Speaker 2>Defense contractors, and like he knows tons of people he

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<v Speaker 2>had government clearance. He's the perfect person to hire to

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<v Speaker 2>grease the wheels and like navigate contracts.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't get it, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>He said that his work was quote Marketing and Communications

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<v Speaker 2>executive at Defense and Aerospace, and according to his Twitter

0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:33.840
<v Speaker 2>bio quote, Garrison Courtney is a communications ninja focused on

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<v Speaker 2>the dark arts of online media. Marketing and communications words

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<v Speaker 2>are my ninja stars?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh god, So he's a professionals.

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<v Speaker 2>Can I just say that, like every day the world

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<v Speaker 2>tests me on my abandonment of dark Elizabeth and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just like, you know what.

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<v Speaker 3>You just set her down. He's already climbing back up.

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<v Speaker 2>Nope, get back, get back, Satan. Okay. So he's doing

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<v Speaker 2>all this insulting work and then he lands a big contract.

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<v Speaker 2>He was brought onto a project that was trying to

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<v Speaker 2>press the government to release a few Kuwaiti prisoners at

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<v Speaker 2>Guantanamo and then, according to the show American Greed on

0:18:14.840 --> 0:18:19.119
<v Speaker 2>Oxygen quote, Courtney promised his clients op ed placements in

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<v Speaker 2>top tier media and said he'd reach out to key

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<v Speaker 2>legislators and President Obama to try and secure the prisoner's release.

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<v Speaker 3>The families, no, I don't know.

0:18:32.320 --> 0:18:37.960
<v Speaker 2>They thought that they hired Oliver Pope fixer. They wanted results.

0:18:38.040 --> 0:18:40.879
<v Speaker 2>Courtney said he had them. He presented them with a

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<v Speaker 2>letter supposedly from the House Armed Services Committee saying they

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<v Speaker 2>were interested in responding directly to the Kuwaiti government, which

0:18:48.680 --> 0:18:51.000
<v Speaker 2>is nice. The problem is that the formatting of the

0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:52.320
<v Speaker 2>letter looked a little.

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<v Speaker 3>Off, like wait a minute, be on here, the committee

0:18:56.480 --> 0:18:59.919
<v Speaker 3>was on cardboard. So he gets fired. The Speed Committee rong.

0:19:00.840 --> 0:19:03.000
<v Speaker 2>They didn't report him to the authorities. They just let

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<v Speaker 2>him go. In twenty twelve, a former coworker of his

0:19:07.040 --> 0:19:09.360
<v Speaker 2>was trying to start a company, so he reaches out

0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:12.160
<v Speaker 2>to Courtney, and Courtney said, dude, you are in luck.

0:19:12.560 --> 0:19:15.640
<v Speaker 2>I know this guy used to be a US ambassador

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<v Speaker 2>to Costa Rica and he's interested in helping fund something.

0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:23.080
<v Speaker 2>He just feels like, what would I like today, I'd like.

0:19:23.040 --> 0:19:25.120
<v Speaker 3>To fund I'd like to put my money on something.

0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:28.600
<v Speaker 2>And so he's like, I know this guy, Curtis Windsor

0:19:28.680 --> 0:19:33.639
<v Speaker 2>Junior through the Freemasons. What yeah, and.

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<v Speaker 3>So through like the Freemasons. Like he's not a member

0:19:36.680 --> 0:19:38.879
<v Speaker 3>of the Freemasons, he just knows them through the Freemasons.

0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:39.560
<v Speaker 3>Like I was hanging out with.

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<v Speaker 2>Some Freemans they're like, you know, we're pals.

0:19:42.160 --> 0:19:43.600
<v Speaker 3>Is he trying to say I am a free Yeah,

0:19:43.600 --> 0:19:45.280
<v Speaker 3>he's like a freemason when I would get that clear.

0:19:45.400 --> 0:19:48.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So now we've cleared that up, we'll take a

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<v Speaker 2>break and we come back. We're going to find out

0:19:50.080 --> 0:20:15.480
<v Speaker 2>about this freemason connection. Zarin Elizabeth Saron. All right, so

0:20:15.560 --> 0:20:17.119
<v Speaker 2>let's talk about the Freemasons.

0:20:17.200 --> 0:20:17.920
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently Garrison Courtney was in the Freemasons, and he knows

0:20:23.480 --> 0:20:28.760
<v Speaker 2>this guy, Curtis Windsor Junior, former US Ambassador to Costa Rica,

0:20:29.119 --> 0:20:32.480
<v Speaker 2>who wants to spend money. And then Courtney's pal is like,

0:20:32.800 --> 0:20:34.600
<v Speaker 2>I need money, need money.

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<v Speaker 3>So Courtney's like, I don't have anything for the need

0:20:37.400 --> 0:20:37.879
<v Speaker 3>of the money.

0:20:38.560 --> 0:20:41.680
<v Speaker 2>He connects them, He's like you meet you, and so

0:20:41.800 --> 0:20:45.359
<v Speaker 2>the colleague and the former ambassador they email back and forth.

0:20:45.800 --> 0:20:49.760
<v Speaker 2>The ambassador sends over a contract and Courtney's palse signs it,

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<v Speaker 2>and then the friends just like waiting for the money

0:20:52.520 --> 0:20:56.200
<v Speaker 2>and waiting and waiting, and then Courtney he's like, oh,

0:20:56.240 --> 0:20:58.959
<v Speaker 2>you know why there's a delay because the ambassador's wife

0:20:59.000 --> 0:21:03.280
<v Speaker 2>died and he's all in pieces. He can't focus on

0:21:03.359 --> 0:21:06.520
<v Speaker 2>his work, like things weren't adding up for Courtney's friend,

0:21:06.800 --> 0:21:07.840
<v Speaker 2>and there is very.

0:21:07.760 --> 0:21:10.080
<v Speaker 3>Much a very working internet at this point, it wouldn't

0:21:10.119 --> 0:21:11.040
<v Speaker 3>be hard to look so.

0:21:11.680 --> 0:21:13.480
<v Speaker 2>Well, So the friend did something you should have done

0:21:13.520 --> 0:21:16.080
<v Speaker 2>on day one. He asked around, he got the phone

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<v Speaker 2>number for the ambassador.

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<v Speaker 3>Well even better.

0:21:18.359 --> 0:21:22.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So the phone rings, The wife answers, wait a miracle.

0:21:22.160 --> 0:21:24.840
<v Speaker 2>Hey O. So then the ambassador gets on the phone

0:21:24.880 --> 0:21:27.760
<v Speaker 2>says he has no idea about any contract. He has

0:21:27.800 --> 0:21:30.840
<v Speaker 2>not been emailing with anyone about one. The friend is like,

0:21:30.880 --> 0:21:33.720
<v Speaker 2>all right, so do you even know Garrison Courtney? And

0:21:33.760 --> 0:21:36.760
<v Speaker 2>the Ambassador's like, yeah, I know that guy. He was

0:21:36.880 --> 0:21:39.639
<v Speaker 2>kicked out of the Freemasons in twenty eleven for quote

0:21:39.720 --> 0:21:43.040
<v Speaker 2>unexplained reasons, and then he wouldn't clarify any further.

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<v Speaker 3>Ooh, kicked out of the Freemasons.

0:21:45.200 --> 0:21:45.440
<v Speaker 2>Huh.

0:21:45.480 --> 0:21:47.199
<v Speaker 3>You know the only way I think that you can

0:21:47.240 --> 0:21:49.480
<v Speaker 3>get kicked out of the Freemasons like that unexplained reasons.

0:21:49.600 --> 0:21:51.639
<v Speaker 3>Either you were like sleeping with like somebody in the

0:21:51.680 --> 0:21:53.800
<v Speaker 3>Freemasons and everyone found you, like in the cloak clause

0:21:53.840 --> 0:21:55.960
<v Speaker 3>you're like, that's not what we do here, or else

0:21:56.080 --> 0:21:57.719
<v Speaker 3>you were trying to do business, which the other thing

0:21:57.760 --> 0:21:59.159
<v Speaker 3>that you're not supposed to do. You're not supposed to

0:21:59.200 --> 0:22:02.040
<v Speaker 3>fraternize or do business like no romantic money man, And I.

0:22:02.040 --> 0:22:05.600
<v Speaker 2>Guess that that's exactly what that was. Yeah, So I'm

0:22:05.600 --> 0:22:08.640
<v Speaker 2>guess they're on the phone chatting about this, like wait

0:22:08.720 --> 0:22:10.800
<v Speaker 2>what he was kicked out? I can't tell you any

0:22:10.800 --> 0:22:15.160
<v Speaker 2>more about it, please, And then, by chance, right when

0:22:15.200 --> 0:22:17.159
<v Speaker 2>the friend is on the phone with the ambassador, he

0:22:17.200 --> 0:22:20.679
<v Speaker 2>gets a text from Courtney. Yes, and the text is like,

0:22:21.400 --> 0:22:24.080
<v Speaker 2>the ambassador says he's pulling out of the investment, but

0:22:24.160 --> 0:22:26.439
<v Speaker 2>I have good news. I have another friend from the

0:22:26.440 --> 0:22:30.640
<v Speaker 2>Freemasons who's interested. And so the friend was like, oh

0:22:30.680 --> 0:22:35.600
<v Speaker 2>my god. Yeah, so he calls Courtney a fraud right

0:22:35.640 --> 0:22:38.960
<v Speaker 2>to his face. And then the friend he gets all

0:22:39.119 --> 0:22:41.919
<v Speaker 2>the bogus documents that had been provided to him and

0:22:41.960 --> 0:22:45.800
<v Speaker 2>he goes to the cops. However, since he hadn't actually

0:22:45.840 --> 0:22:49.359
<v Speaker 2>lost any money, the police didn't care. They send it

0:22:49.400 --> 0:22:53.639
<v Speaker 2>to prosecutors. The colleague he went around to other contractors,

0:22:53.880 --> 0:22:56.600
<v Speaker 2>He went over to the Pentagon and like, no one

0:22:56.640 --> 0:22:58.680
<v Speaker 2>got back to him. He's just like trying to spread

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<v Speaker 2>the truth. So he started a word press website.

0:23:01.520 --> 0:23:04.399
<v Speaker 3>Naturally, he called it guys love this this is the

0:23:04.440 --> 0:23:05.160
<v Speaker 3>move your guys.

0:23:06.080 --> 0:23:09.879
<v Speaker 2>He called it Garrison Courtney cheating America one sucker at

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<v Speaker 2>a time. There are three posts in the about me section.

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<v Speaker 2>He has a poll that's like the question is have

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<v Speaker 2>I screwed you? And then there are three answers. Yes

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<v Speaker 2>you lied, that's fifty three point nine one percent, Yes

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<v Speaker 2>you defrauded me twenty five point five to one percent,

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<v Speaker 2>Yes you stole from me twenty point fifty eight percent

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<v Speaker 2>above or No. I don't know this guy. I couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>answer it. Have I screwed No? I have never heard

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<v Speaker 2>of him. Another little bit from the site quote, I

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<v Speaker 2>may tell you how I have traveled the world in

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<v Speaker 2>secrecy for the Masons. I may tell you I can

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<v Speaker 2>bring you one hundred million dollars in dea and army contracts.

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<v Speaker 2>I probably will forget to tell you that I was

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<v Speaker 2>kicked out of the Masons for unethical behavior and me yow,

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<v Speaker 2>So we have so now we have this guy. He's

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<v Speaker 2>like on a min No one's listening to him. Courtney

0:24:02.840 --> 0:24:04.200
<v Speaker 2>just keeps rolling.

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<v Speaker 3>He's a lighthouse trying to warn people at the.

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<v Speaker 2>Same time, Like Courtney's like just moving on with it.

0:24:08.960 --> 0:24:12.159
<v Speaker 2>But things aren't so rosy for him. He's in serious

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<v Speaker 2>financial that's.

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<v Speaker 3>Just about ass. Yeah, he's a new big school.

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<v Speaker 2>He's having personal problems. He divorces his first wife, then

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<v Speaker 2>he marries her, he divorces her apparently wow, and then

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<v Speaker 2>he marries this other lady. They wind up having like

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<v Speaker 2>three kids together, not all at once. This is according

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<v Speaker 2>to the Daily Beast quote. He defaulted on his mortgage

0:24:31.920 --> 0:24:34.160
<v Speaker 2>and his car loan, and was evicted from his home

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<v Speaker 2>for not paying rent, according to public records. In March

0:24:37.080 --> 0:24:40.320
<v Speaker 2>of twenty fourteen, he filed for bankruptcy. The records show

0:24:40.359 --> 0:24:43.760
<v Speaker 2>he owed creditors six hundred ninety seven, one hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>fifty seven dollars, while claiming personal assets of just four

0:24:47.960 --> 0:24:50.639
<v Speaker 2>eight hundred and twenty three dollars, about four hundred of

0:24:50.640 --> 0:24:54.200
<v Speaker 2>which was cash. His obligations included a twenty five thousand

0:24:54.240 --> 0:24:57.199
<v Speaker 2>dollars divorce settlement, twenty five hundred dollars a month in

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<v Speaker 2>child support, thirty five thousand in six hundred, eleven of

0:25:01.480 --> 0:25:04.600
<v Speaker 2>which was in arrears, an eleven thousand, two hundred and

0:25:04.640 --> 0:25:08.400
<v Speaker 2>forty five dollars IRS bill, a one hundred and nineteen

0:25:08.560 --> 0:25:11.560
<v Speaker 2>thousand and fifty one dollars civil judgment for breach of

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<v Speaker 2>contract and hundreds of thousands more dollars in medical bills,

0:25:15.680 --> 0:25:18.560
<v Speaker 2>car loans, student loans, business loans, lawyer's fees, and credit

0:25:18.560 --> 0:25:19.399
<v Speaker 2>card debt.

0:25:19.760 --> 0:25:21.080
<v Speaker 3>Damn, that's quite the collection.

0:25:21.520 --> 0:25:22.920
<v Speaker 2>So things weren't so great.

0:25:23.160 --> 0:25:25.480
<v Speaker 3>No, but then he is a CV it kind of

0:25:25.520 --> 0:25:25.919
<v Speaker 3>lack of it.

0:25:25.920 --> 0:25:29.399
<v Speaker 2>It's rough. But then along came Alpha to fourteen, Alpha

0:25:29.440 --> 0:25:34.400
<v Speaker 2>to fourteen, Alpha two fourteen aka the Task Force AKAA

0:25:34.440 --> 0:25:37.159
<v Speaker 2>two fourteen aka not B six thirteen?

0:25:37.240 --> 0:25:38.119
<v Speaker 3>Are you kidding me?

0:25:38.600 --> 0:25:42.280
<v Speaker 2>This all went down while Scandal was on the air?

0:25:42.640 --> 0:25:43.639
<v Speaker 3>Are you kidding?

0:25:43.800 --> 0:25:46.320
<v Speaker 2>Early two, mid twenty teens.

0:25:45.760 --> 0:25:47.480
<v Speaker 3>He watched TV and he's like, I can.

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<v Speaker 2>Do I really do wonder if he was inspired by

0:25:49.680 --> 0:25:50.240
<v Speaker 2>the show.

0:25:50.080 --> 0:25:52.440
<v Speaker 3>He moved from B to A and then got some numbers.

0:25:52.520 --> 0:25:55.040
<v Speaker 2>You can't find anyone making that connection, and they didn't.

0:25:55.119 --> 0:25:58.720
<v Speaker 3>Nobody, No, only us is immediately thinking that we watched

0:25:58.720 --> 0:25:59.600
<v Speaker 3>too much Scandals.

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<v Speaker 2>So he's not just getting consulting gigs. By playing up

0:26:04.040 --> 0:26:07.200
<v Speaker 2>his connection to his time in the DEA, he also

0:26:07.280 --> 0:26:11.280
<v Speaker 2>starts hinting at or just directly stating that he's deep.

0:26:11.600 --> 0:26:16.400
<v Speaker 2>He's a deep cover CIA operative. The people he's trying

0:26:16.440 --> 0:26:20.600
<v Speaker 2>to get jobs from. Future He's on a classified assignment

0:26:21.600 --> 0:26:25.199
<v Speaker 2>crucial to national security, and like somehow a bunch of

0:26:25.240 --> 0:26:28.359
<v Speaker 2>companies hired him, like not really as a consultant, but

0:26:28.440 --> 0:26:32.480
<v Speaker 2>is quote commercial cover. So basically a cover job that's

0:26:32.520 --> 0:26:35.080
<v Speaker 2>going to make him look like he's gainfully employed. He's

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<v Speaker 2>just a regular average joe.

0:26:36.520 --> 0:26:37.600
<v Speaker 3>Do they think it's a tax?

0:26:37.720 --> 0:26:41.920
<v Speaker 2>Right off? They think that they're helping their government. But wait,

0:26:41.960 --> 0:26:44.800
<v Speaker 2>you'll see, so in exchange for like the title and

0:26:44.880 --> 0:26:47.440
<v Speaker 2>the paycheck, he's going to make sure that they get

0:26:47.480 --> 0:26:51.120
<v Speaker 2>like sweet government contracts of course, so that's why they're

0:26:51.160 --> 0:26:51.439
<v Speaker 2>doing it.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>You'd think that his luck would run out when the

0:26:54.600 --> 0:26:57.200
<v Speaker 2>contracts didn't materialize.

0:26:56.440 --> 0:26:59.399
<v Speaker 3>One would think, but sometimes they did the content.

0:26:59.440 --> 0:27:01.520
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, if you can believe it, because I couldn't.

0:27:02.000 --> 0:27:05.520
<v Speaker 2>He was actually able to con some military and government

0:27:05.600 --> 0:27:09.320
<v Speaker 2>officials into doling out contracts as part of his cover.

0:27:09.800 --> 0:27:11.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I don't even want to depress you with how

0:27:11.560 --> 0:27:12.719
<v Speaker 3>many contracts are given out.

0:27:12.880 --> 0:27:16.520
<v Speaker 2>He said that his mission was so super secret that

0:27:16.600 --> 0:27:20.800
<v Speaker 2>even government officials weren't suspicious. They just thought it was

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<v Speaker 2>over their pay grade.

0:27:22.119 --> 0:27:23.480
<v Speaker 3>Are you getting no, I'm not.

0:27:23.840 --> 0:27:27.200
<v Speaker 2>So his main targets in all of this he must

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<v Speaker 2>know and he's just we saw it like in his

0:27:29.840 --> 0:27:32.800
<v Speaker 2>early years, he's just I'm.

0:27:32.640 --> 0:27:35.119
<v Speaker 3>Saying from the DA He's figured out the right language

0:27:35.480 --> 0:27:36.880
<v Speaker 3>to use later exactly.

0:27:37.320 --> 0:27:40.399
<v Speaker 2>So his main targets in this small defense contractor. Oh,

0:27:40.400 --> 0:27:42.359
<v Speaker 2>of course, so he'd say that he was leading up

0:27:42.359 --> 0:27:44.879
<v Speaker 2>a program to start a new network of companies that

0:27:44.920 --> 0:27:49.080
<v Speaker 2>could help the US with its intelligence gathering wuff right,

0:27:49.160 --> 0:27:52.120
<v Speaker 2>And this is around the time of the Edward Snowden leaks. Oh.

0:27:52.119 --> 0:27:55.159
<v Speaker 2>He used that to his advantage. So when asked, he

0:27:55.160 --> 0:27:57.840
<v Speaker 2>would say that the task force that he was building

0:27:57.960 --> 0:28:00.760
<v Speaker 2>was in an effort to head off the next to

0:28:00.800 --> 0:28:03.320
<v Speaker 2>make sure it didn't happen again. Or he would tell

0:28:03.320 --> 0:28:07.240
<v Speaker 2>them that he was quote supporting secret military maneuvers in Africa,

0:28:07.720 --> 0:28:11.720
<v Speaker 2>or fighting Chinese commercial espionage like whatever he thought would

0:28:11.800 --> 0:28:13.040
<v Speaker 2>land when he was talking to him.

0:28:13.560 --> 0:28:18.880
<v Speaker 3>How how well versed are they with Tom Cruise's filmography, and.

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<v Speaker 2>So it depends meaning to meeting what he's going to do.

0:28:21.200 --> 0:28:24.480
<v Speaker 2>And you know what, I shouldn't just tell you about

0:28:24.480 --> 0:28:30.000
<v Speaker 2>the meetings, saren closure eyes, Yes, I want you to

0:28:30.000 --> 0:28:35.920
<v Speaker 2>picture it closed. Your name is Brock Taggington, and you

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<v Speaker 2>are the CEO of a small defense contractor in Bethesda Maryland.

0:28:40.520 --> 0:28:44.640
<v Speaker 2>You're in your office at a nondescript office park, waiting

0:28:44.640 --> 0:28:46.920
<v Speaker 2>to meet with a man who has contacted you about

0:28:46.920 --> 0:28:51.440
<v Speaker 2>some government business. That's you, mister government business. Your company

0:28:51.480 --> 0:28:54.560
<v Speaker 2>makes the joysticks for the drones that you know what.

0:28:54.680 --> 0:28:57.240
<v Speaker 2>Let's just leave it at that. So there you are

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<v Speaker 2>in your office. Your assistant Knox and then ushers man

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<v Speaker 2>to the seat set up in front of your desk,

0:29:02.200 --> 0:29:05.800
<v Speaker 2>facing you. You stand and shake his hand. He's a tall,

0:29:05.920 --> 0:29:09.080
<v Speaker 2>milk fed farm boy looking guy, brown hair, with the

0:29:09.120 --> 0:29:12.520
<v Speaker 2>slightest tinge of red go tee, navy blue suit. He

0:29:12.560 --> 0:29:15.040
<v Speaker 2>looks like every other guy at the golf course, and

0:29:15.120 --> 0:29:17.440
<v Speaker 2>he looks like he may own more than one pair

0:29:17.520 --> 0:29:21.640
<v Speaker 2>of salmon colored shorts. He one hundred percent owns a visor.

0:29:22.080 --> 0:29:24.840
<v Speaker 2>He looks like his party has once been asked to

0:29:24.920 --> 0:29:27.320
<v Speaker 2>leave a buffalo wild wings, but he managed to talk

0:29:27.360 --> 0:29:29.960
<v Speaker 2>their way out of it. From being eighty six, that's

0:29:29.960 --> 0:29:32.840
<v Speaker 2>what he looks like. So he's got a good handshake.

0:29:32.880 --> 0:29:35.080
<v Speaker 2>He seems like you're kind of guy. He clears his

0:29:35.080 --> 0:29:38.240
<v Speaker 2>throat and sits down, pulls a folder from his briefcase,

0:29:38.560 --> 0:29:40.920
<v Speaker 2>drops it onto your desk. You look at the label

0:29:40.960 --> 0:29:44.280
<v Speaker 2>on the front of the folder A two fourteen that

0:29:44.360 --> 0:29:47.440
<v Speaker 2>kind of reminds you of something from your favorite TV show, Scandal.

0:29:47.880 --> 0:29:49.760
<v Speaker 2>You like to curl up on the sofa in your

0:29:49.800 --> 0:29:51.800
<v Speaker 2>man cave with a glass of red wine and an

0:29:52.000 --> 0:29:55.400
<v Speaker 2>enormous bowl of popcorn. I'm talking enough popcorn to feed

0:29:55.440 --> 0:29:58.760
<v Speaker 2>a family of four. So thinking about the show makes

0:29:58.800 --> 0:30:01.280
<v Speaker 2>you think of all the amazing saying if ill timed

0:30:01.320 --> 0:30:04.480
<v Speaker 2>soul music used in the episodes, excuse me, You tell

0:30:04.480 --> 0:30:06.160
<v Speaker 2>the man, do you mind if I put on the

0:30:06.240 --> 0:30:08.520
<v Speaker 2>radio not too loud or anything. It just helps me

0:30:08.560 --> 0:30:11.920
<v Speaker 2>think when I'm working on government contracts. Go right ahead,

0:30:12.000 --> 0:30:14.600
<v Speaker 2>the man says. You flip on the digital radio on

0:30:14.640 --> 0:30:16.840
<v Speaker 2>the table behind your desk, and the sweet sounds of

0:30:16.920 --> 0:30:20.520
<v Speaker 2>Motown just barely drift into the air above you. You

0:30:20.600 --> 0:30:24.680
<v Speaker 2>do one of your affirmations, I am command, you tell yourself.

0:30:25.040 --> 0:30:27.200
<v Speaker 2>Then you tell the man to go ahead start his pitch.

0:30:28.000 --> 0:30:30.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm part of something called the task force, he says.

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<v Speaker 2>Some call it A two fourteen or Alpha two fourteen.

0:30:34.920 --> 0:30:38.680
<v Speaker 2>This is a very sensitive project, one authorized directly by

0:30:38.720 --> 0:30:42.280
<v Speaker 2>the Attorney General, the Director of National Intelligence, and President

0:30:42.280 --> 0:30:47.200
<v Speaker 2>Obama himself. Go on, you say, The man proceeds to

0:30:47.200 --> 0:30:50.120
<v Speaker 2>tell you that if anyone ever asks you about a

0:30:50.240 --> 0:30:53.680
<v Speaker 2>two fourteen or even this conversation that you're having, he'll

0:30:53.720 --> 0:30:56.800
<v Speaker 2>deny everything. And then he goes on to explain that

0:30:56.880 --> 0:30:59.840
<v Speaker 2>he needs a job. He needs a cover story, nor

0:31:00.320 --> 0:31:02.160
<v Speaker 2>job that would act as cover since he was a

0:31:02.200 --> 0:31:05.800
<v Speaker 2>super secret undercover adventure man. You reach over and open

0:31:05.800 --> 0:31:09.440
<v Speaker 2>the folder. Inside is his resume. You scan it quickly,

0:31:09.920 --> 0:31:12.959
<v Speaker 2>weather Man, Well, these could be his other cover jobs.

0:31:13.320 --> 0:31:15.600
<v Speaker 2>Courtney explains to you that he served in the US

0:31:15.760 --> 0:31:18.200
<v Speaker 2>Army during the Gulf War and had hundreds of confirmed

0:31:18.320 --> 0:31:23.000
<v Speaker 2>kills while in combat. You love that. That makes you happy,

0:31:23.040 --> 0:31:26.120
<v Speaker 2>because your soul and your conscience are but charred husks.

0:31:26.640 --> 0:31:29.240
<v Speaker 2>He says that he has a little wheeze sometimes because

0:31:29.240 --> 0:31:31.760
<v Speaker 2>he got lung injuries from smoke caused by the fires

0:31:31.760 --> 0:31:35.400
<v Speaker 2>set to Iraq's oil fields. Oh and a hostile foreign

0:31:35.480 --> 0:31:38.720
<v Speaker 2>intelligence service once attempted to assassinate him by poisoning him

0:31:38.760 --> 0:31:41.800
<v Speaker 2>with ricin So he may or may not be able

0:31:41.840 --> 0:31:44.440
<v Speaker 2>to fulfill the job description requirement of the ability to

0:31:44.480 --> 0:31:47.560
<v Speaker 2>lift twenty pounds. So you stare at the man for

0:31:47.600 --> 0:31:50.720
<v Speaker 2>a while. His story is wild, and why would he

0:31:50.800 --> 0:31:54.920
<v Speaker 2>tell you such secrets. You always trust your gut just

0:31:55.080 --> 0:31:58.640
<v Speaker 2>like Olivia Pope. You know what to do. You're hired,

0:31:58.760 --> 0:32:04.040
<v Speaker 2>you tell him so as you can guess. Everything Courtney

0:32:04.040 --> 0:32:07.800
<v Speaker 2>told the defense contractor you was garbage. So the truth

0:32:07.880 --> 0:32:09.680
<v Speaker 2>was that his dad was the one who served in

0:32:09.720 --> 0:32:12.240
<v Speaker 2>the golf for he was in the National Guard after

0:32:12.280 --> 0:32:14.360
<v Speaker 2>the golf w he did have asthma that was made

0:32:14.400 --> 0:32:17.880
<v Speaker 2>worse by fighting fires in Montana and not the Iraqi

0:32:18.080 --> 0:32:21.640
<v Speaker 2>oil fire skills. This is according to the Justice Department.

0:32:21.760 --> 0:32:23.600
<v Speaker 3>He watches a lot of movies. It sounds like because

0:32:23.640 --> 0:32:25.920
<v Speaker 3>these are all iconic things, oil fires.

0:32:26.240 --> 0:32:30.640
<v Speaker 2>Totally, Totally, this is what, according to the Justice Department quote.

0:32:30.880 --> 0:32:34.640
<v Speaker 2>Courtney went to extraordinary lengths to perpetuate the illusion that

0:32:34.720 --> 0:32:37.720
<v Speaker 2>he was a deep cover operative. Among other things, he

0:32:37.800 --> 0:32:41.320
<v Speaker 2>falsely claimed that his identity and large portions of his

0:32:41.440 --> 0:32:45.920
<v Speaker 2>conduct were classified, and directed victims and witnesses to sign

0:32:46.000 --> 0:32:48.720
<v Speaker 2>fake non disclosure agreements that purported to be from the

0:32:48.800 --> 0:32:52.760
<v Speaker 2>US government and that forbade anyone involved from speaking openly

0:32:52.760 --> 0:32:56.120
<v Speaker 2>about the supposed classified program. So he's walking around with

0:32:56.240 --> 0:33:00.000
<v Speaker 2>NDA's just handing them out. Some of the Defense exist

0:33:00.080 --> 0:33:03.960
<v Speaker 2>katives that he met with got even stranger fishtails. He

0:33:04.120 --> 0:33:07.120
<v Speaker 2>would tell them that they could be in danger or

0:33:07.200 --> 0:33:08.760
<v Speaker 2>under Russian surveillance just.

0:33:08.680 --> 0:33:10.080
<v Speaker 3>By working by contacting.

0:33:10.320 --> 0:33:12.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and so for this reason, I'm He's like, you

0:33:12.800 --> 0:33:15.680
<v Speaker 2>know what, you should buy everything with cash, like stop

0:33:15.800 --> 0:33:18.760
<v Speaker 2>using your credit cards? Like why is it just you know,

0:33:18.800 --> 0:33:21.440
<v Speaker 2>it adds to the it adds to it. He's like,

0:33:21.800 --> 0:33:23.760
<v Speaker 2>you need to be careful what you say on the phone,

0:33:24.000 --> 0:33:28.959
<v Speaker 2>which is honestly just good advice. An he tells them

0:33:29.000 --> 0:33:31.280
<v Speaker 2>that they should think about buying guns. But I feel

0:33:31.280 --> 0:33:35.240
<v Speaker 2>like these dudes probably already hadn't covered like guns. I guess.

0:33:35.480 --> 0:33:38.160
<v Speaker 2>So he's saying all this crazy stuff, but his paperwork

0:33:38.200 --> 0:33:42.720
<v Speaker 2>seemed legit, and he had authentic looking contracts NDAs from

0:33:42.720 --> 0:33:47.360
<v Speaker 2>the CIA Pentagon. They're on official letterhead, and they're signed

0:33:47.400 --> 0:33:51.240
<v Speaker 2>with serious names like Glenn Nelson, the Glen has two ends?

0:33:51.240 --> 0:33:55.360
<v Speaker 2>There whoa or Glenn or Glen Nielsen and the Glen

0:33:55.360 --> 0:34:00.200
<v Speaker 2>has two ends? Or Gary Pearson or Garrison Pearson. Wait

0:34:00.200 --> 0:34:03.120
<v Speaker 2>a minute, they're all fake names, but they sounded super

0:34:03.160 --> 0:34:05.920
<v Speaker 2>real to do guys. Yeah, According to the New York

0:34:05.960 --> 0:34:07.200
<v Speaker 2>Times quote.

0:34:06.880 --> 0:34:08.640
<v Speaker 3>I like the you know, not to do Gary Pearson.

0:34:08.680 --> 0:34:10.879
<v Speaker 3>He's like, I got it, Yeah, make it sound read.

0:34:10.920 --> 0:34:12.360
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to go to the far side. Yes,

0:34:12.920 --> 0:34:14.480
<v Speaker 2>this is what it was. In the New York Times,

0:34:14.520 --> 0:34:18.640
<v Speaker 2>quote Norman Hayes, a retired Navy rear admiral and thirty

0:34:18.719 --> 0:34:22.640
<v Speaker 2>year veteran of intelligence work who was bamboozled by mister Courtney.

0:34:22.680 --> 0:34:26.160
<v Speaker 2>He told me, quote he knew the jargon had connections

0:34:26.200 --> 0:34:29.839
<v Speaker 2>everywhere in government. No door seemed closed to him. You'd

0:34:29.840 --> 0:34:33.480
<v Speaker 2>need access to a highly secure video teleconferencing system, and

0:34:33.920 --> 0:34:36.640
<v Speaker 2>no problem. He'd get access to a government facility whose

0:34:36.719 --> 0:34:40.759
<v Speaker 2>name I can't even reveal. So he is some guy

0:34:40.760 --> 0:34:43.320
<v Speaker 2>who was in intelligence for thirty years.

0:34:43.400 --> 0:34:45.960
<v Speaker 3>So he's partly legit in terms of how he's able

0:34:46.000 --> 0:34:49.120
<v Speaker 3>to connive someone else. And it shows that to another person.

0:34:49.400 --> 0:34:51.720
<v Speaker 3>But the person that he probably conned originally he doesn't

0:34:51.760 --> 0:34:53.520
<v Speaker 3>know that that's what he's doing, right, but then it

0:34:53.560 --> 0:34:55.680
<v Speaker 3>gives him the authority or the least, you know, the

0:34:55.760 --> 0:34:58.200
<v Speaker 3>gravitas of that, and the person believes and then now they.

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<v Speaker 2>Will vouch it exactly. And that's how he has.

0:35:00.200 --> 0:35:03.239
<v Speaker 3>He's making stone soup, but for his well And the

0:35:03.239 --> 0:35:03.960
<v Speaker 3>thing is it's.

0:35:03.840 --> 0:35:05.560
<v Speaker 2>One thing to pull the wool over the eyes of

0:35:05.600 --> 0:35:09.880
<v Speaker 2>some war profiteers. He went even bigger. He convinced seven

0:35:10.040 --> 0:35:15.520
<v Speaker 2>government officials DEA military intelligence community that A two fourteen

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<v Speaker 2>was real. What Yeah, Like, who he gets? He gets

0:35:19.200 --> 0:35:23.160
<v Speaker 2>a high ranking Navy officer, he gets a person in

0:35:23.200 --> 0:35:27.640
<v Speaker 2>the Office of the Director of National Intelligence. Two DEA officials.

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<v Speaker 2>The only name that was made public later was Eileen Prasser,

0:35:32.080 --> 0:35:36.680
<v Speaker 2>a senior Air Force liaison to the National Geospatial Intelligence Agents.

0:35:36.680 --> 0:35:38.440
<v Speaker 3>Wait, you're telling me he got all these guys the

0:35:38.480 --> 0:35:40.040
<v Speaker 3>only person to hear about his one woman.

0:35:39.800 --> 0:35:40.160
<v Speaker 2>Of course.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm just saying I just noticed Eileen. I was like,

0:35:43.239 --> 0:35:44.200
<v Speaker 3>wait a minute.

0:35:44.680 --> 0:35:49.319
<v Speaker 2>Like, but come on, Eileen. Yeah, okay, so but the

0:35:49.480 --> 0:35:55.000
<v Speaker 2>National Geospatial Intelligence Agency NNGA, I've never heard of that. Amazing.

0:35:55.840 --> 0:36:00.480
<v Speaker 2>So she Eileen. She worked for thirty years again in intelligence defense,

0:36:01.440 --> 0:36:04.360
<v Speaker 2>and when she was asked by two trusted senior intelligence

0:36:04.360 --> 0:36:07.920
<v Speaker 2>officials to act as an unpaid program manager for A

0:36:08.040 --> 0:36:09.799
<v Speaker 2>two fourteen, she said, yes.

0:36:09.800 --> 0:36:11.000
<v Speaker 3>She's working on the spike.

0:36:11.160 --> 0:36:13.920
<v Speaker 2>Eileen, we talked about this. Come on, Eileen, but it's

0:36:13.960 --> 0:36:18.040
<v Speaker 2>because two trusted senior officials, like he just the snowballing it, right.

0:36:18.160 --> 0:36:20.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So it's not who you know, not what you know,

0:36:20.920 --> 0:36:21.360
<v Speaker 3>it's who you know.

0:36:21.520 --> 0:36:24.960
<v Speaker 2>He also convinced two private citizens, described by The Daily

0:36:25.000 --> 0:36:28.560
<v Speaker 2>Beasts as quote a pediatric anesthetus with a side gig

0:36:28.640 --> 0:36:31.480
<v Speaker 2>as a writer and video producer and then consultant for

0:36:31.520 --> 0:36:34.719
<v Speaker 2>private companies doing business with the federal government. He tells

0:36:34.760 --> 0:36:38.040
<v Speaker 2>them that they've been selected for a two fourteen, and

0:36:38.480 --> 0:36:41.320
<v Speaker 2>he asked them to pose as government officials in meetings

0:36:41.360 --> 0:36:45.200
<v Speaker 2>as like their first big undercover op. So he's meeting

0:36:45.239 --> 0:36:48.359
<v Speaker 2>with the intelligence officials, big dogs. Where do they.

0:36:48.280 --> 0:36:50.440
<v Speaker 3>Meet Denny's Starbucks?

0:36:50.520 --> 0:36:53.680
<v Speaker 2>No, girl, No, that's not where they met. Sometimes they

0:36:53.760 --> 0:36:59.480
<v Speaker 2>met in actual government secure rooms, sensitive compartmented information facilities,

0:36:59.480 --> 0:37:01.240
<v Speaker 2>scaled the skiff.

0:37:01.320 --> 0:37:02.040
<v Speaker 3>Are you kidding me?

0:37:02.120 --> 0:37:03.800
<v Speaker 2>No, the ones where they patch you down before you

0:37:03.960 --> 0:37:05.200
<v Speaker 2>had no cell phones. Law.

0:37:05.560 --> 0:37:07.520
<v Speaker 3>I thought he was doing like the Rockford Files where

0:37:07.520 --> 0:37:09.560
<v Speaker 3>you meet him in the lobby of the building and

0:37:09.600 --> 0:37:11.120
<v Speaker 3>you act like you've just come from it. I gotta

0:37:11.160 --> 0:37:12.080
<v Speaker 3>go outside because he.

0:37:12.080 --> 0:37:13.880
<v Speaker 2>Had fooled so many government officials to.

0:37:13.920 --> 0:37:15.960
<v Speaker 3>The living into the clear rooms.

0:37:15.960 --> 0:37:17.880
<v Speaker 2>He's like, we need the skiff for this one. This

0:37:17.920 --> 0:37:21.319
<v Speaker 2>is according to the Washington Post, quote Courtney didn't take

0:37:21.360 --> 0:37:23.800
<v Speaker 2>you out to the waffle house. They met in secure

0:37:23.840 --> 0:37:28.760
<v Speaker 2>facilities at the National Geospatial Intelligence agency and at Riverside Research,

0:37:28.840 --> 0:37:31.640
<v Speaker 2>a nonprofit that does scientific research for the government. He

0:37:31.680 --> 0:37:35.399
<v Speaker 2>said both required extensive background checks, and in the room

0:37:35.480 --> 0:37:39.279
<v Speaker 2>were current and former high ranking government officials. We were

0:37:39.280 --> 0:37:41.759
<v Speaker 2>in there with some major companies that were sitting right

0:37:41.800 --> 0:37:45.080
<v Speaker 2>next to us CEOs of companies, said Ed MacDonald, who

0:37:45.160 --> 0:37:48.520
<v Speaker 2>ran a small Gainesville, Virginia based contracting firm with his

0:37:48.600 --> 0:37:51.680
<v Speaker 2>wife that was defrauded by Courtney. I was like, well,

0:37:51.719 --> 0:37:54.680
<v Speaker 2>if they've already validated it, who am I to question it?

0:37:55.360 --> 0:37:57.320
<v Speaker 3>Always question everything exactly.

0:37:57.840 --> 0:38:00.800
<v Speaker 2>So he's bringing together defense contract actors to meet with

0:38:00.880 --> 0:38:04.359
<v Speaker 2>government officials about some totally made up spy group.

0:38:04.440 --> 0:38:06.160
<v Speaker 3>And also, if you don't know why you're in the room,

0:38:06.480 --> 0:38:08.560
<v Speaker 3>probably not be in the room exactly. Like there's a

0:38:08.600 --> 0:38:09.960
<v Speaker 3>reason why you're not in that room.

0:38:10.120 --> 0:38:13.160
<v Speaker 2>Yes, And like I think, because it sounded so cool.

0:38:13.280 --> 0:38:17.880
<v Speaker 3>Everybody wants it. I could told me he would.

0:38:17.719 --> 0:38:21.880
<v Speaker 2>Give the government folks a list of quote official talking points,

0:38:22.480 --> 0:38:25.040
<v Speaker 2>information that he just pulled out of his patuit totally,

0:38:25.280 --> 0:38:28.600
<v Speaker 2>and they'd all sit around and play scandal together. Meanwhile

0:38:28.719 --> 0:38:31.319
<v Speaker 2>he's setting up millions of dollars in deals that would

0:38:31.400 --> 0:38:33.960
<v Speaker 2>ultimately go to him. Oh my god, he did get

0:38:34.000 --> 0:38:36.920
<v Speaker 2>an actual job as a contractor at a government agency,

0:38:37.040 --> 0:38:42.840
<v Speaker 2>the National Institutes of Health Information Technology Acquisition and Assessment Center. Wow,

0:38:43.360 --> 0:38:46.640
<v Speaker 2>they do you know it? Related government contract There.

0:38:46.560 --> 0:38:48.760
<v Speaker 3>Are another alphabet, but not a common one.

0:38:48.880 --> 0:38:51.840
<v Speaker 2>He told them that they'd also been chosen by the

0:38:51.880 --> 0:38:56.960
<v Speaker 2>CIA to handle a two Fourteen's it stuff big win, right,

0:38:57.400 --> 0:38:59.759
<v Speaker 2>and then he's going to be the supervisor for all

0:38:59.760 --> 0:39:04.239
<v Speaker 2>the personnel. Brothers, Let's pause here for commerce, and upon

0:39:04.320 --> 0:39:07.719
<v Speaker 2>our return, we shall find out how Garrison Courtney's little

0:39:07.760 --> 0:39:10.480
<v Speaker 2>scam was going now that he was bringing in actual

0:39:10.600 --> 0:39:36.960
<v Speaker 2>government agencies. Okay, so Garrison Courtney, he's playing both shorte

0:39:37.320 --> 0:39:38.040
<v Speaker 2>ud Okay.

0:39:38.239 --> 0:39:40.120
<v Speaker 3>During the break, I was thinking about it. You pointed

0:39:40.160 --> 0:39:43.279
<v Speaker 3>this out earlier. So it's B six thirteen. He name

0:39:43.360 --> 0:39:46.800
<v Speaker 3>says A two fourteen, So he keeps the one in

0:39:46.880 --> 0:39:49.880
<v Speaker 3>the teensplice. He goes up one or from three to

0:39:50.000 --> 0:39:54.480
<v Speaker 3>and then he's like, oh two six, I gotta go

0:39:54.520 --> 0:39:57.640
<v Speaker 3>away from six. There's only so many numbers. Let's go

0:39:57.719 --> 0:39:59.959
<v Speaker 3>with two. I mean, they he did almost no work,

0:40:00.040 --> 0:40:01.719
<v Speaker 3>and nobody, nobody's ever mentioned this.

0:40:01.880 --> 0:40:06.520
<v Speaker 2>I looked, I could not find any mention of it.

0:40:06.600 --> 0:40:08.480
<v Speaker 3>People need to watch more TV. That's what that's what

0:40:08.520 --> 0:40:09.279
<v Speaker 3>I'm getting from this.

0:40:09.560 --> 0:40:13.279
<v Speaker 2>So he's telling the government that they have given him

0:40:13.400 --> 0:40:16.440
<v Speaker 2>a secret spy operation and they should allow him to

0:40:16.520 --> 0:40:20.240
<v Speaker 2>hire folks and contracts to defense. And then he's telling

0:40:20.280 --> 0:40:23.279
<v Speaker 2>the defense contractors he's in charge of a secret spy

0:40:23.360 --> 0:40:26.680
<v Speaker 2>operation and they can get government contracts from there. So

0:40:26.800 --> 0:40:29.560
<v Speaker 2>it's like if he said at enough times, it became true.

0:40:29.760 --> 0:40:30.680
<v Speaker 3>It feels like that, you.

0:40:30.600 --> 0:40:34.040
<v Speaker 2>Know, soon enough, though, contractors, they're wondering.

0:40:33.880 --> 0:40:35.480
<v Speaker 3>He has a wife and three kids right now, he's

0:40:35.480 --> 0:40:37.600
<v Speaker 3>got like a normal life. Okay.

0:40:38.320 --> 0:40:41.759
<v Speaker 2>The contractors are like, why are there no actual contracts

0:40:41.760 --> 0:40:44.160
<v Speaker 2>coming in? And the ones that have come in, why

0:40:44.200 --> 0:40:47.319
<v Speaker 2>aren't they paying out? So Cordy and he's on the

0:40:47.360 --> 0:40:51.160
<v Speaker 2>payroll of all these places because remember they're providing him

0:40:51.840 --> 0:40:54.799
<v Speaker 2>cover job, So where's the balance for that? They're like,

0:40:55.520 --> 0:41:02.680
<v Speaker 2>you were on health dental vision. Come on, he's got

0:41:02.680 --> 0:41:06.480
<v Speaker 2>like quintuple coverage on the medical, so they you don't

0:41:06.719 --> 0:41:08.759
<v Speaker 2>have a co pay, They pay you when you go

0:41:08.840 --> 0:41:13.160
<v Speaker 2>in for an appointment. So when he's confronted, right, hey, Garrison,

0:41:13.200 --> 0:41:16.600
<v Speaker 2>what's up, he would threaten the security clearance that he

0:41:16.640 --> 0:41:19.000
<v Speaker 2>got them, which wasn't real to begin with. He's like

0:41:19.040 --> 0:41:21.440
<v Speaker 2>you have level eight security. They're like, oh my god,

0:41:21.760 --> 0:41:23.920
<v Speaker 2>don't tell anyone about it. So then he's like, you

0:41:23.960 --> 0:41:26.080
<v Speaker 2>know what, I'm pulling your security clearance if you have

0:41:26.160 --> 0:41:28.320
<v Speaker 2>a problem with this, or he would just like straight

0:41:28.400 --> 0:41:32.360
<v Speaker 2>up accuse them of being spies, like you're from j

0:41:32.600 --> 0:41:36.600
<v Speaker 2>twenty five. So yeah, so just like it flips it around.

0:41:36.680 --> 0:41:40.520
<v Speaker 2>The Department of Justice said he also quote created fake

0:41:40.640 --> 0:41:43.400
<v Speaker 2>letters purporting to have been issued by the Attorney General

0:41:43.400 --> 0:41:46.600
<v Speaker 2>of the United States, which claimed to grant blanket immunity

0:41:46.680 --> 0:41:49.960
<v Speaker 2>to those who participated in the supposedly classified program.

0:41:50.120 --> 0:41:52.319
<v Speaker 3>He's handing out get out of jail free cards from

0:41:52.320 --> 0:41:53.520
<v Speaker 3>the government from the government.

0:41:53.600 --> 0:41:56.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that worked for a while until it didn't.

0:41:56.880 --> 0:41:57.440
<v Speaker 3>So in.

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<v Speaker 2>Twenty fifteen, one company, Blue Canopy, they wanted the government

0:42:04.880 --> 0:42:08.000
<v Speaker 2>to pay. Yeah, that sounds like one of those meal

0:42:09.239 --> 0:42:11.880
<v Speaker 2>or like a dog food confusing with a bunch of

0:42:11.880 --> 0:42:16.440
<v Speaker 2>other things. So they want the government to pay sand company.

0:42:17.000 --> 0:42:20.880
<v Speaker 2>They had a one point nine million dollar contract that

0:42:20.960 --> 0:42:24.240
<v Speaker 2>he needed to be paid. Yeah, that's a lot of chicken.

0:42:24.719 --> 0:42:28.920
<v Speaker 2>So Cortney, he gets desperate, and so he goes to

0:42:28.960 --> 0:42:31.920
<v Speaker 2>an investment firm in Virginia and he tells him that

0:42:31.960 --> 0:42:35.200
<v Speaker 2>the government is going to try and seize Blue Canopy

0:42:35.360 --> 0:42:39.480
<v Speaker 2>for criminal violations by the senior executive Sarah, but that

0:42:39.719 --> 0:42:42.880
<v Speaker 2>he the man in charge of a secret spy agency.

0:42:43.560 --> 0:42:47.080
<v Speaker 2>He had a one point nine to five million dollars

0:42:47.120 --> 0:42:50.760
<v Speaker 2>he throws in an extra, you know, fifty grand contract.

0:42:50.840 --> 0:42:55.600
<v Speaker 2>Was Canopy and A two fourteen really needed the money,

0:42:56.160 --> 0:42:59.120
<v Speaker 2>and if the Fed seized everything, all spying hell would

0:42:59.120 --> 0:43:01.680
<v Speaker 2>break loose, that they wouldn't be able to pay their

0:43:01.719 --> 0:43:06.279
<v Speaker 2>windbreaker and earpiece bills, and that there's wine and popcorn

0:43:06.280 --> 0:43:09.760
<v Speaker 2>to buy for crime Andy's sake. So why was Blue

0:43:09.760 --> 0:43:12.440
<v Speaker 2>Canopy funding this secret spy project?

0:43:12.680 --> 0:43:15.799
<v Speaker 3>And there's no like those called the assassin hats.

0:43:15.800 --> 0:43:19.400
<v Speaker 2>Those aren't all the assassin hats like they're very expensive

0:43:19.440 --> 0:43:23.480
<v Speaker 2>these days. So Courtney is like tells the investment firm

0:43:23.840 --> 0:43:28.000
<v Speaker 2>that the money couldn't come directly from the government, that

0:43:28.080 --> 0:43:30.840
<v Speaker 2>there had to be plausible deniability if A two fourteen

0:43:30.880 --> 0:43:33.879
<v Speaker 2>got found out, of course, so this investment firm had

0:43:33.880 --> 0:43:37.319
<v Speaker 2>to be the one to wire Courtney the money. But

0:43:37.440 --> 0:43:41.279
<v Speaker 2>no worries someone's going to wire them two point five

0:43:41.400 --> 0:43:44.440
<v Speaker 2>million on behalf of the government. They're going to make

0:43:44.480 --> 0:43:47.319
<v Speaker 2>money on the risk. But here's my thing. Did no

0:43:47.320 --> 0:43:50.200
<v Speaker 2>one at this investment firm ask why the third party

0:43:50.239 --> 0:43:53.640
<v Speaker 2>wiring them the two point five million? Couldn't wire Courtney

0:43:53.640 --> 0:43:54.480
<v Speaker 2>the money.

0:43:54.840 --> 0:43:57.080
<v Speaker 3>Or like, could I get like a purchase order or

0:43:57.080 --> 0:43:58.879
<v Speaker 3>some kind of like paperwork maybe like.

0:43:58.840 --> 0:44:01.960
<v Speaker 2>A well a wire train if you asked for paperwork.

0:44:02.280 --> 0:44:05.400
<v Speaker 2>He had official looking paperwork, and it would be so

0:44:05.600 --> 0:44:09.080
<v Speaker 2>cool to be involved in a secret spy organization. They

0:44:09.120 --> 0:44:11.640
<v Speaker 2>watch Scandal. Oh yeah, they're like, all right, it's worth

0:44:11.640 --> 0:44:12.000
<v Speaker 2>the risk.

0:44:12.040 --> 0:44:13.879
<v Speaker 3>They go to work with their phone on their hip.

0:44:13.920 --> 0:44:15.480
<v Speaker 3>They're like, I want to pull.

0:44:15.320 --> 0:44:21.520
<v Speaker 2>This boy Houlster for that. Yes, they totally guys got

0:44:21.520 --> 0:44:24.840
<v Speaker 2>the Oakley's on the loa. So he had this official

0:44:24.880 --> 0:44:31.200
<v Speaker 2>looking document. He's holding meetings in a skiff. Government officials there,

0:44:31.239 --> 0:44:34.360
<v Speaker 2>they're like, deal, all right. So the investment firm wires

0:44:34.480 --> 0:44:37.759
<v Speaker 2>one point nine million to Blue Canopy, who didn't care

0:44:37.840 --> 0:44:40.440
<v Speaker 2>that the money was coming from some lawyer's escrow account.

0:44:40.960 --> 0:44:43.080
<v Speaker 2>So it made sense. You know, it's like spy stuff.

0:44:43.120 --> 0:44:45.600
<v Speaker 2>It's going to come. You know, it will come as

0:44:45.640 --> 0:44:49.120
<v Speaker 2>no surprise that the investment company was never paid. What yeah,

0:44:49.160 --> 0:44:53.240
<v Speaker 2>I know, crazy, huh. So twenty fifteen, the government finally

0:44:53.360 --> 0:44:58.480
<v Speaker 2>opens an investigation into Garrison Courtney, and they finally spoke

0:44:58.520 --> 0:45:00.680
<v Speaker 2>to the guy who got so check cheesed off that

0:45:00.719 --> 0:45:04.880
<v Speaker 2>he made a website. But there was a problem. Courtney

0:45:04.880 --> 0:45:07.080
<v Speaker 2>had convinced these people. Hell, by the.

0:45:07.080 --> 0:45:09.800
<v Speaker 3>Way, the guy with the website that's easy to find,

0:45:09.880 --> 0:45:12.360
<v Speaker 3>like all type in his name, but he's using all

0:45:12.400 --> 0:45:14.680
<v Speaker 3>these fake names so people can't find Yeah.

0:45:14.480 --> 0:45:17.840
<v Speaker 2>He is, he's clouding the fake names. So but he Okay,

0:45:17.880 --> 0:45:21.160
<v Speaker 2>he's convinced all these people that he's deep undercovered, sure,

0:45:21.440 --> 0:45:24.440
<v Speaker 2>and that A two fourteen is the most sensitive of

0:45:24.560 --> 0:45:28.279
<v Speaker 2>sensitive operations. And you're very lucky that he'll tell you

0:45:28.320 --> 0:45:30.360
<v Speaker 2>about it, like I'll tell you because you're amazing.

0:45:30.480 --> 0:45:32.440
<v Speaker 3>Command doesn't like you to talk exactly.

0:45:32.960 --> 0:45:34.560
<v Speaker 2>Knowing about it could get them killed.

0:45:34.640 --> 0:45:36.440
<v Speaker 3>Karen, I'm putting you in danger even mentioning it.

0:45:36.560 --> 0:45:39.560
<v Speaker 2>That's right. So a lot of the companies he bamboozled

0:45:39.920 --> 0:45:43.759
<v Speaker 2>they wouldn't talk to the FEDS because they felt that

0:45:43.840 --> 0:45:48.960
<v Speaker 2>they had quote a legal and patriotic duty to remain silent,

0:45:50.280 --> 0:45:53.600
<v Speaker 2>perfect marks right, And this goes above this is above

0:45:53.640 --> 0:45:54.200
<v Speaker 2>the president.

0:45:54.280 --> 0:45:56.760
<v Speaker 3>They don't ask questions, they believe what they want to believe,

0:45:56.760 --> 0:45:58.560
<v Speaker 3>and they tell themselves a story. He doesn't even need

0:45:58.600 --> 0:45:59.040
<v Speaker 3>to tell them.

0:45:59.080 --> 0:46:00.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, decisely.

0:46:01.160 --> 0:46:01.239
<v Speaker 3>So.

0:46:01.480 --> 0:46:04.879
<v Speaker 2>January twenty sixteen, the FBI serves as subpoena to one

0:46:04.920 --> 0:46:07.160
<v Speaker 2>of the companies that where he had a job.

0:46:08.480 --> 0:46:08.760
<v Speaker 3>Jobs.

0:46:08.840 --> 0:46:11.439
<v Speaker 2>He finds out and he tries to stop it. So

0:46:11.560 --> 0:46:14.840
<v Speaker 2>he what does he do? He goes and tries to

0:46:14.880 --> 0:46:20.399
<v Speaker 2>get a two fourteen legitimized under National security law. He's

0:46:20.480 --> 0:46:21.760
<v Speaker 2>just gonna make it real.

0:46:22.239 --> 0:46:26.359
<v Speaker 3>What how under who's aegis Like, I don't well.

0:46:26.400 --> 0:46:29.719
<v Speaker 2>A government memo later said, quote, it is chilling to

0:46:29.800 --> 0:46:33.280
<v Speaker 2>consider what the defendant could have accomplished. Yes, that's serious

0:46:33.320 --> 0:46:34.560
<v Speaker 2>B six thirteen s.

0:46:34.840 --> 0:46:36.960
<v Speaker 3>Yes, if he actually did manage to get the clarence

0:46:36.960 --> 0:46:38.880
<v Speaker 3>and then become confidential, he actually would be able to

0:46:39.040 --> 0:46:41.319
<v Speaker 3>erase a lot of his trial and then people he

0:46:41.360 --> 0:46:42.799
<v Speaker 3>would be above the law.

0:46:42.880 --> 0:46:43.320
<v Speaker 2>Uh huh.

0:46:43.400 --> 0:46:44.759
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he almost makes it.

0:46:44.840 --> 0:46:47.240
<v Speaker 2>He gets called up to the Pentagon, Oh my goodness,

0:46:47.320 --> 0:46:51.160
<v Speaker 2>and the Air Force's highest ranking intelligence officer, Lieutenant General

0:46:51.239 --> 0:46:54.640
<v Speaker 2>Robert Otto, wants to meet with him. They already knew

0:46:54.680 --> 0:46:57.120
<v Speaker 2>each other because Courtney had come to AUTO a year

0:46:57.160 --> 0:47:01.200
<v Speaker 2>before with his scam. He tried to scam the highest

0:47:01.280 --> 0:47:06.440
<v Speaker 2>ranking intelligence officer in the Air Force, and so AUTO

0:47:06.480 --> 0:47:09.280
<v Speaker 2>at the time like when he hears this, it sounded

0:47:09.280 --> 0:47:11.720
<v Speaker 2>fishy to him. He tells him, kicks, I'm not interested.

0:47:12.680 --> 0:47:16.319
<v Speaker 2>But now Auto's reaching out to him. So super spy

0:47:16.560 --> 0:47:19.880
<v Speaker 2>Garrison Courtney He's like, this is great. He finally figured

0:47:19.880 --> 0:47:22.400
<v Speaker 2>it out. I can rope this dude in I can

0:47:22.440 --> 0:47:27.200
<v Speaker 2>get some leverage cards. Zaron, he could not close your eyes.

0:47:27.680 --> 0:47:33.799
<v Speaker 2>I'm just kidding. So Courtney he meets with Auto and

0:47:33.920 --> 0:47:38.000
<v Speaker 2>Auto is wearing a wire for the FBI. So Courtney

0:47:38.000 --> 0:47:40.319
<v Speaker 2>he starts bragging about how he'd had a meeting at

0:47:40.320 --> 0:47:43.600
<v Speaker 2>the White House with the Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence.

0:47:44.200 --> 0:47:46.400
<v Speaker 2>What kind of meeting He's like, oh, you know, like stuff,

0:47:47.320 --> 0:47:51.120
<v Speaker 2>And the FBI told the general to ask some specific

0:47:51.200 --> 0:47:54.839
<v Speaker 2>questions to try and trap Courtney. So, for example, one

0:47:54.840 --> 0:47:58.200
<v Speaker 2>of them, who is your boss at the CIA? Courtney says,

0:47:58.360 --> 0:47:58.919
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

0:48:00.640 --> 0:48:01.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's how it is.

0:48:02.360 --> 0:48:04.760
<v Speaker 2>Many questions they start to make Courtney think that maybe

0:48:04.760 --> 0:48:07.080
<v Speaker 2>his goose was coicked. So he got out of there

0:48:07.080 --> 0:48:08.719
<v Speaker 2>and he tried to figure out his next move. He

0:48:08.800 --> 0:48:11.440
<v Speaker 2>goes to one of the government officials that he duped

0:48:11.480 --> 0:48:14.400
<v Speaker 2>into believing a two fourteen he is real, and he

0:48:14.480 --> 0:48:17.839
<v Speaker 2>tells them, you've got to shut down this FBI investigation,

0:48:18.440 --> 0:48:20.480
<v Speaker 2>and then he calls some of the companies he's working

0:48:20.480 --> 0:48:23.920
<v Speaker 2>with and says, don't cooperate with the FBI like that

0:48:24.239 --> 0:48:27.880
<v Speaker 2>there you know. It's it's like they're they're going to

0:48:28.239 --> 0:48:29.960
<v Speaker 2>feel like they're part of a spy operation.

0:48:30.120 --> 0:48:32.719
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, just like mentioned Paul Maniford. They're like, oh,

0:48:32.760 --> 0:48:35.719
<v Speaker 3>Man's happening. We got to protect that.

0:48:36.480 --> 0:48:39.799
<v Speaker 2>So, in a pretty scandal esque move, that official in

0:48:39.880 --> 0:48:43.839
<v Speaker 2>Courtney then met with the FBI demandingly stop the investigation

0:48:44.600 --> 0:48:46.880
<v Speaker 2>like they're investigating. He goes, He's like you have to

0:48:46.960 --> 0:48:49.000
<v Speaker 2>you have to drop it, and the FBI like thinks

0:48:49.000 --> 0:48:50.680
<v Speaker 2>about it for like thirty seconds, is like.

0:48:50.680 --> 0:48:52.120
<v Speaker 3>No, yeah, no, we don't do that.

0:48:52.440 --> 0:48:56.200
<v Speaker 2>This is according to the Justice Department quote. Among other things,

0:48:56.280 --> 0:48:59.160
<v Speaker 2>Courtney caused a public official to attempt to prevent a

0:48:59.200 --> 0:49:03.040
<v Speaker 2>private company from responding to a grand jury subpoena. Caused

0:49:03.080 --> 0:49:05.920
<v Speaker 2>a civilian attorney with the Air Force to contact one

0:49:05.920 --> 0:49:08.160
<v Speaker 2>of the prosecutors on the case in an attempt to

0:49:08.200 --> 0:49:13.279
<v Speaker 2>read that prosecutor into the bogus program, thereby freezing the investigation.

0:49:13.920 --> 0:49:18.000
<v Speaker 2>Caused a public official to threaten FBI agents investigating this

0:49:18.080 --> 0:49:20.799
<v Speaker 2>case with themselves being prosecuted if they did not drop

0:49:20.840 --> 0:49:25.399
<v Speaker 2>the investigation. Falsely told victims who had questioned his legitimacy

0:49:25.480 --> 0:49:27.560
<v Speaker 2>that they were about to be arrested by the FBI

0:49:27.880 --> 0:49:32.960
<v Speaker 2>for supposedly leaking classified information. Used unwitting public officials to

0:49:32.960 --> 0:49:35.960
<v Speaker 2>feed the names of innocent witnesses to the FBI in

0:49:36.000 --> 0:49:39.120
<v Speaker 2>the hopes that the FBI would seek to prosecute those

0:49:39.160 --> 0:49:44.480
<v Speaker 2>innocent persons for supposedly leaking classified information, thereby diverting attention

0:49:44.560 --> 0:49:45.160
<v Speaker 2>from himself.

0:49:45.239 --> 0:49:47.520
<v Speaker 3>He so basically he's on a getaway wagon and throwing

0:49:47.600 --> 0:49:50.560
<v Speaker 3>people off the web and helping them.

0:49:50.800 --> 0:49:53.120
<v Speaker 2>Well, the FBI, though, they're like, no, not going to happen.

0:49:53.120 --> 0:49:56.000
<v Speaker 2>They raid his house, of course, and then they tell

0:49:56.040 --> 0:50:00.799
<v Speaker 2>his wife that he's under investigation. He corney tells his wife, though, no,

0:50:00.880 --> 0:50:04.640
<v Speaker 2>it's a case of mistaken identity and that totally unrelated.

0:50:04.719 --> 0:50:08.759
<v Speaker 2>We need to all move to Tampa. But like, guess what,

0:50:09.160 --> 0:50:12.040
<v Speaker 2>the FBI knows where Tampa is, you know what I mean?

0:50:12.120 --> 0:50:13.440
<v Speaker 3>Like so related?

0:50:15.320 --> 0:50:22.560
<v Speaker 2>Yes, So while in Tampa, Courtney starts calling himself Bear Pearson. Yeah,

0:50:22.600 --> 0:50:26.320
<v Speaker 2>Bear Bear Bear b a e r oh Bear Pearson.

0:50:26.840 --> 0:50:31.960
<v Speaker 2>He gets a job with Huntington Ingles Industry, a military shipbuilder.

0:50:32.040 --> 0:50:35.000
<v Speaker 2>Sure why and he lets them in on a secret.

0:50:35.160 --> 0:50:37.840
<v Speaker 2>You know you shouldn't tell him this, But he was

0:50:37.960 --> 0:50:41.240
<v Speaker 2>deep undercover for the CIA. But my cover got blown,

0:50:41.440 --> 0:50:44.960
<v Speaker 2>is what he tells him. But hiring me would mean

0:50:45.000 --> 0:50:48.480
<v Speaker 2>you'd have access to huge government contracts. Great, huh, like

0:50:48.760 --> 0:50:51.520
<v Speaker 2>what a favor I could do? So in twenty.

0:50:51.320 --> 0:50:53.879
<v Speaker 3>Nineteen and shoehorn, what shoe do you want to go in? Show?

0:50:54.000 --> 0:50:57.080
<v Speaker 2>In the twenty nineteen the FBI drops in on him again.

0:50:57.160 --> 0:50:59.719
<v Speaker 2>They tell him they have enough evidence to press charges now.

0:51:00.280 --> 0:51:03.280
<v Speaker 2>And one government official who fell for his whole act

0:51:03.800 --> 0:51:07.920
<v Speaker 2>made a guess estimated that with the commercial cover of

0:51:08.320 --> 0:51:12.560
<v Speaker 2>thirty five plus companies, what get thirty five five more

0:51:12.640 --> 0:51:17.000
<v Speaker 2>than thirty five jobs at once, he would conservatively be

0:51:17.120 --> 0:51:19.879
<v Speaker 2>making two point twenty five million dollars a.

0:51:19.880 --> 0:51:22.000
<v Speaker 3>Year easily conservatively.

0:51:22.120 --> 0:51:24.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So the government they reached out to hunt well,

0:51:24.520 --> 0:51:26.279
<v Speaker 2>because that's the thing is that they if he has

0:51:26.360 --> 0:51:29.839
<v Speaker 2>thirty more than thirty five jobs, say it's thirty five jobs,

0:51:30.520 --> 0:51:32.200
<v Speaker 2>he can tell them, oh, you don't have to pay me.

0:51:32.280 --> 0:51:34.480
<v Speaker 3>That may like twenty grand a year. Yeah, and I'll

0:51:34.520 --> 0:51:35.319
<v Speaker 3>be forty grand.

0:51:35.400 --> 0:51:37.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm good, you know what, I don't even need benefits

0:51:37.440 --> 0:51:38.480
<v Speaker 2>and they're like, all right, that's.

0:51:38.440 --> 0:51:40.040
<v Speaker 3>I got vision from his other p and I can

0:51:40.080 --> 0:51:40.720
<v Speaker 3>get a two.

0:51:40.560 --> 0:51:43.920
<v Speaker 2>Million dollar contract. Yeah, that's great. So the government they

0:51:43.960 --> 0:51:47.640
<v Speaker 2>reached out to Huntington Ingles Industries in twenty twenty and

0:51:47.640 --> 0:51:53.520
<v Speaker 2>they tell them all about their employee Bear, and so

0:51:53.600 --> 0:51:57.600
<v Speaker 2>he resigns, immediately resigns. In June of twenty two, he

0:51:57.719 --> 0:52:01.319
<v Speaker 2>pleads guilty to one count of wiref and then he

0:52:01.400 --> 0:52:04.919
<v Speaker 2>admitted to defrauding at least twelve companies of over four

0:52:04.960 --> 0:52:09.520
<v Speaker 2>point four million. His lawyer told the court that Courtney

0:52:09.600 --> 0:52:12.120
<v Speaker 2>had only taken a million dollars for himself because he

0:52:12.200 --> 0:52:14.719
<v Speaker 2>had that all that debt and the rest had gone

0:52:14.760 --> 0:52:18.880
<v Speaker 2>to quote maintaining the fraud. Oh here's the thing, though,

0:52:19.120 --> 0:52:23.040
<v Speaker 2>the prosecution said that he had another nearly four billion

0:52:23.480 --> 0:52:28.359
<v Speaker 2>with a b as in Beyonce in upcoming military contracts

0:52:28.400 --> 0:52:34.080
<v Speaker 2>million set up and because he cooperated, he avoided criminal charges.

0:52:34.600 --> 0:52:37.880
<v Speaker 3>He was released on cooperated from who else do they

0:52:37.920 --> 0:52:38.359
<v Speaker 3>want to get?

0:52:38.560 --> 0:52:42.040
<v Speaker 2>He was released on twenty five thousand dollars bond fitted

0:52:42.040 --> 0:52:45.799
<v Speaker 2>with an ankle monitoring while he's awaiting sentencing. In a

0:52:45.920 --> 0:52:48.200
<v Speaker 2>letter to the judge, he said it was a scheme

0:52:48.239 --> 0:52:49.600
<v Speaker 2>that had just gotten out of control.

0:52:49.960 --> 0:52:50.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:52:50.320 --> 0:52:52.560
<v Speaker 2>Think while he's out on bail, he gets a job

0:52:52.560 --> 0:52:55.279
<v Speaker 2>at Pizza Hut to try and pay some bills, and

0:52:55.360 --> 0:52:57.960
<v Speaker 2>I doubt that they pay as well as a defense contractor.

0:52:58.920 --> 0:53:02.240
<v Speaker 2>Pizza Hut workers deserve to be paid defense contractor wages.

0:53:02.320 --> 0:53:04.680
<v Speaker 3>They do. You'd be surprised how many spies you run into.

0:53:05.000 --> 0:53:07.520
<v Speaker 2>I haven't had Pizza Hut in decades, but I will

0:53:07.560 --> 0:53:09.840
<v Speaker 2>go on records saying that they need to make defense

0:53:09.920 --> 0:53:13.360
<v Speaker 2>contractor money. No further questions at this time. So remember

0:53:13.440 --> 0:53:14.720
<v Speaker 2>Huntington Ingles Industries.

0:53:15.160 --> 0:53:15.600
<v Speaker 3>Forget them.

0:53:15.640 --> 0:53:21.240
<v Speaker 2>I feel like they're fake too. Like anyway, they asked

0:53:21.239 --> 0:53:25.920
<v Speaker 2>the government for a real classified briefing to understand Courtney's fraud.

0:53:26.239 --> 0:53:28.520
<v Speaker 2>They wanted their turn in the skiffs erin and they

0:53:28.560 --> 0:53:31.960
<v Speaker 2>wanted it to be real, magical, authentic, But give me

0:53:32.000 --> 0:53:36.160
<v Speaker 2>the real experience that I was promised. Somehow, Courtney finds

0:53:36.200 --> 0:53:40.800
<v Speaker 2>out about their request for a classified meeting. Pizza Hut

0:53:40.960 --> 0:53:44.840
<v Speaker 2>was his B six thirteen cover. He called an attorney

0:53:45.239 --> 0:53:48.960
<v Speaker 2>for Huntington Ingles Industry and said he was someone named

0:53:49.280 --> 0:53:53.440
<v Speaker 2>Devon Asimoria from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence.

0:53:54.000 --> 0:53:57.760
<v Speaker 2>OH Devon Hut he told the lawyer he was calling

0:53:57.800 --> 0:54:00.440
<v Speaker 2>to set up a meeting for company executives to be

0:54:00.640 --> 0:54:03.879
<v Speaker 2>read in to the classified program. They would of course

0:54:03.920 --> 0:54:07.480
<v Speaker 2>have to sign NDA's and they couldn't tell anyone about

0:54:07.520 --> 0:54:09.600
<v Speaker 2>any of this. That they'd all get together in McLean

0:54:10.200 --> 0:54:14.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, CIA headquarters, the mothership. So everyone involved in

0:54:14.520 --> 0:54:17.920
<v Speaker 2>this had learned to be suspicious, a lesson that I

0:54:18.000 --> 0:54:20.879
<v Speaker 2>learned as a child. But apparently they had to come

0:54:20.880 --> 0:54:24.640
<v Speaker 2>around to this. Someone from huntingdon Ingles Industries got with

0:54:24.719 --> 0:54:28.680
<v Speaker 2>investigators to confirm the meeting. Finally turns out that no

0:54:28.719 --> 0:54:32.160
<v Speaker 2>one named Devin Asimoria works at the Office of the

0:54:32.200 --> 0:54:33.719
<v Speaker 2>Director of National Intelligence.

0:54:33.760 --> 0:54:35.120
<v Speaker 3>Can you believe that, JOCKAMAI.

0:54:35.560 --> 0:54:37.720
<v Speaker 2>So they looked at the phone records and they traced

0:54:37.760 --> 0:54:41.280
<v Speaker 2>the caller's number to an Internet address assigned to Garrison

0:54:41.320 --> 0:54:44.799
<v Speaker 2>Courtney's house. He should have called from Pizza Hut. So

0:54:45.080 --> 0:54:47.560
<v Speaker 2>his bail, as you can guess, was revoked. He had

0:54:47.560 --> 0:54:50.239
<v Speaker 2>to cool his heels in the clink until sentencing, and

0:54:50.280 --> 0:54:54.400
<v Speaker 2>that happened in October twenty twenty who he was sentenced

0:54:54.440 --> 0:54:57.279
<v Speaker 2>to seven years in prison. Really, that's where he is

0:54:57.360 --> 0:54:59.640
<v Speaker 2>right now. He also has to pay back four point

0:54:59.640 --> 0:55:03.520
<v Speaker 2>formula dollars, and it should be noted at this point

0:55:03.560 --> 0:55:06.200
<v Speaker 2>his wife divorced him. I was guessing, Yeah, she's either

0:55:06.320 --> 0:55:08.040
<v Speaker 2>so Zaren, what's your ridiculous takeaway?

0:55:08.719 --> 0:55:10.960
<v Speaker 3>I didn't try hard enough. I mean, like, just where

0:55:11.000 --> 0:55:14.560
<v Speaker 3>are roads diverged in that snow? We would I'm sorry

0:55:14.600 --> 0:55:18.960
<v Speaker 3>to question I could he lived with such an interesting

0:55:19.040 --> 0:55:22.600
<v Speaker 3>life's agency. I mean, like, come on, I would have

0:55:22.600 --> 0:55:27.800
<v Speaker 3>been so good inventing a spy agency. Man, I'm just envious.

0:55:27.800 --> 0:55:30.839
<v Speaker 3>But also I'm always blown away by this, Like how

0:55:30.920 --> 0:55:33.319
<v Speaker 3>I mentioned it earlier. Basically, it's how easy it is

0:55:33.360 --> 0:55:36.480
<v Speaker 3>to make someone like to get over their gollibility, or

0:55:36.480 --> 0:55:38.759
<v Speaker 3>to basically weaponize their go ability against them, or to

0:55:38.760 --> 0:55:41.560
<v Speaker 3>get over their their critical thinking skills and get them

0:55:41.600 --> 0:55:43.480
<v Speaker 3>to no longer be critical at all. With the no

0:55:43.520 --> 0:55:46.120
<v Speaker 3>longer questioning, they're just trying to make sense of things. Yeah,

0:55:46.160 --> 0:55:48.600
<v Speaker 3>it happens rather quickly. You see it, like in in

0:55:48.719 --> 0:55:51.239
<v Speaker 3>religion or culture where the people but this is that

0:55:51.360 --> 0:55:54.160
<v Speaker 3>same place where it's they're moving from a place of belief.

0:55:54.480 --> 0:55:56.680
<v Speaker 3>They're not thinking, they're just going all this makes it.

0:55:56.760 --> 0:55:58.640
<v Speaker 3>I believe that he's this. I believe this is how

0:55:58.680 --> 0:56:00.640
<v Speaker 3>the world works. I believe spy. I mean, that's what

0:56:00.680 --> 0:56:03.399
<v Speaker 3>they're operating by, is their beliefs. And so how hard

0:56:03.440 --> 0:56:04.960
<v Speaker 3>is it? But yet if you talk to them, they

0:56:04.960 --> 0:56:07.720
<v Speaker 3>would all think that they were very savvy. They listen,

0:56:07.960 --> 0:56:10.320
<v Speaker 3>they waited until he had he used the right language.

0:56:10.360 --> 0:56:12.560
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, sir, if you could be convinced by the

0:56:12.640 --> 0:56:15.040
<v Speaker 3>right language, is it the right language exactly?

0:56:15.120 --> 0:56:16.759
<v Speaker 2>Well, And you know, in case you were wondering, let

0:56:16.800 --> 0:56:19.920
<v Speaker 2>me tell you my take, Elizabeth. I you know, everyone

0:56:19.960 --> 0:56:23.880
<v Speaker 2>wants to be involved in something cool, be involved in something.

0:56:23.960 --> 0:56:26.520
<v Speaker 3>I learned this in Hollywood. That's the power of being on.

0:56:26.480 --> 0:56:28.680
<v Speaker 2>The inside, that yeah, that you know something that no

0:56:28.719 --> 0:56:31.440
<v Speaker 2>one else does. And but I'm shocked of all these

0:56:31.440 --> 0:56:34.440
<v Speaker 2>people who've been in intelligence for thirty years. But we

0:56:34.520 --> 0:56:37.759
<v Speaker 2>think about all these con men, con artists that we've

0:56:37.800 --> 0:56:42.120
<v Speaker 2>seen on the show, who are able to just swindle

0:56:42.160 --> 0:56:44.719
<v Speaker 2>people by their their charm.

0:56:44.440 --> 0:56:46.080
<v Speaker 3>And their magnifice flash of a badge.

0:56:46.280 --> 0:56:48.719
<v Speaker 2>Well, but also there's just a certain quality within some

0:56:48.880 --> 0:56:51.799
<v Speaker 2>people that you can get, you know, others to do

0:56:51.880 --> 0:56:53.920
<v Speaker 2>whatever they want. And so you know, I think that's

0:56:54.040 --> 0:56:57.319
<v Speaker 2>it's a curious combination. He hit a sweet spot that's

0:56:57.360 --> 0:57:00.759
<v Speaker 2>amazing to convince people at the level that he did.

0:57:00.840 --> 0:57:03.200
<v Speaker 3>But they don't expect somebody to con them, you know

0:57:03.239 --> 0:57:07.280
<v Speaker 3>what I mean. So they're not he knows this stuff.

0:57:07.320 --> 0:57:08.960
<v Speaker 3>He does that, so they don't have to actually think

0:57:08.960 --> 0:57:11.800
<v Speaker 3>about it. They're all excusing themselves from ever being critical

0:57:11.840 --> 0:57:13.279
<v Speaker 3>because he fits in.

0:57:13.360 --> 0:57:15.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean, this is a want the scandal.

0:57:15.640 --> 0:57:17.240
<v Speaker 3>No, that's why I don't believe anything I see.

0:57:17.360 --> 0:57:18.160
<v Speaker 2>I believe nothing.

0:57:18.240 --> 0:57:20.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, my father kind of taught me that with Peekaboo.

0:57:21.680 --> 0:57:24.040
<v Speaker 3>From that point on, I've been skeptical exactly.

0:57:24.680 --> 0:57:31.440
<v Speaker 2>I think what I need right now is a talkback David. Oh,

0:57:31.720 --> 0:57:37.000
<v Speaker 2>oh my god, Ie.

0:57:40.080 --> 0:57:44.120
<v Speaker 4>Nope, nope, there you shut up, shut up, Let Elizabeth

0:57:44.160 --> 0:57:44.440
<v Speaker 4>do it.

0:57:44.880 --> 0:57:45.880
<v Speaker 2>Just go.

0:57:46.560 --> 0:57:50.520
<v Speaker 4>No, it's I'm laughing. You don't stop her. Oh her

0:57:51.280 --> 0:57:53.560
<v Speaker 4>beautiful Elizabeth, You're beautiful.

0:57:54.720 --> 0:57:55.520
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 4>Rendition of the German Oh good, That obviously what I

0:58:02.360 --> 0:58:06.560
<v Speaker 4>think of when I think of a German official. Okay,

0:58:06.680 --> 0:58:07.720
<v Speaker 4>Dutch spot up.

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<v Speaker 3>I have to tell myself once again, Montuta Burnett. One

0:58:12.480 --> 0:58:17.800
<v Speaker 3>doesn't do that. One does I apologize about that. I

0:58:17.800 --> 0:58:22.320
<v Speaker 3>don't know where my head was at. Okay, Fanny got

0:58:22.320 --> 0:58:23.520
<v Speaker 3>that beautiful German lab.

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