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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio Saren Elizabeth.

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Speaker 2: Hey, ELIZABETHA listen, buddy, you know what's ridiculous?

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Speaker 3: Oh man, dude, I was just reading this email that

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Speaker 3: the interns handed me. They hand me the emails, unlike you. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: it was from this rude dude, Andrew Right, and it's

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Speaker 3: kind of awesome. So subject line ridiculous, but no crime,

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Speaker 3: so he writes, and I quote. A while ago, maybe

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Speaker 3: ten years, I was starting my crafting era. As fate

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Speaker 3: would have it, when visiting a local good Will store,

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Speaker 3: there were two film reels on top of the soda

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Speaker 3: craft something out of film, right, No idea what that

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Speaker 3: would have been, but I'm sure pinterest has some ideas.

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Speaker 3: When I got home, of course, I wanted to see

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Speaker 3: what these film reels could be. Enter my trusty flashlight.

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Speaker 3: Turns out they were part one and part two of

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Speaker 3: Deep Throat What Elizabeth the porn film? Oh god, but

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Speaker 3: how can we watch this cinematic masterpiece. We were bragging

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Speaker 3: about our score to friends that we didn't have a

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Speaker 3: movie projector. One person said, no, we have a movie projector.

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Speaker 3: At church, I can check it out and load it

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Speaker 3: to you. And that is how the Mormon Church assisted

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Speaker 3: me in watching Deep Throat. Wait, thanks Joseph Smith.

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Speaker 2: Fistbump, this is the greatest femail.

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Speaker 3: So I was inspired by the Nixon episode because we

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Speaker 3: met a deep throat. So he says, thanks for all

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Speaker 3: the amazing ridiculousness and crimes ing. Thank you for that

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Speaker 3: awesome story, Sir.

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Speaker 2: Andrew Andrew, I love the crafting and getting the film.

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Speaker 2: I'm desperate to see what you would have come up with,

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Speaker 2: but I'm so glad you used a church projector rupted

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Speaker 2: the greatest. That is ridiculous, amazing. Do you know what

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Speaker 2: else is ridiculous?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 3: I Don't's why I showed up today.

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Speaker 2: Super secret spy organizations, those I know you do. This

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Speaker 2: is ridiculous Crime A podcast about absurd and outrageous capers,

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Speaker 2: heists and cons. It's always ninety nine percent murder free

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Speaker 2: and one hundred percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Ridiculous siculus sticulous, ridiculous siculus sticulusticulus, siculusticulous.

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Speaker 2: That was so good. It's really fun. It was fun

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Speaker 2: for us.

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Speaker 3: That was ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Right now, right, I am standing in my.

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Speaker 3: Truth sitting in it, but shirt whatever.

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Speaker 2: Sharing my journey as someone who watches and loves television.

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Speaker 3: Yeah you are, I have.

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Speaker 2: I've divulged that I'm currently watching Scandal. Yes, it's taking

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Speaker 2: me a while because I only watch a handful of

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Speaker 2: episodes a week.

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Speaker 3: Sure you know.

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Speaker 2: When I'm not working or taking time to insult people

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Speaker 2: in their hobbies, I watch the show.

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Speaker 3: I look forward to your text about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I like to. I like to live text and

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Speaker 2: then I know that they you know.

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Speaker 3: Years later live text, and then I respond days later

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Speaker 3: to your year's late live texting of the show.

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Speaker 2: Go on context free thing. So well, I'm not spoiling

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Speaker 2: anything for anyone who hasn't gotten on the Olivia Pope.

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Speaker 2: I trust my gut and it's always wrong train. So

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Speaker 2: the show is about a woman, Olivia Pope. There's a

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Speaker 2: political fixer in Washington, d C. She was on the

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Speaker 2: President's successful campaign, and she was also on the president

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Speaker 2: successfully They were having an affairs Aaron. There are a

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Speaker 2: I feel is just like the first season and they

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they figured out the whole Monster of the Week

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Speaker 3: They're the d state.

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Speaker 2: They don't answer to the President or the DJ or

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Speaker 2: They operate above the laws. So the members of B

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Speaker 2: They're everywhere, always everywhere. And then one of them was

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Speaker 2: even once married to Jennifer Garner. Yes, so anyway, B

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Speaker 2: the show B six thirteen. It gets tossed around like crazy.

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Speaker 2: If you drank every time you've heard someone say it,

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Speaker 2: RIPU and your vaporized liver. So I have no idea

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Speaker 3: Sounds like Bureau six thirteen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and obviously something spyish is something you aren't supposed

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Speaker 3: I think it's also supposed to sound like M I six,

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Speaker 2: It's very international. It's compelling, right, and so I love

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Speaker 2: And that's why it's a component of Scandal, the wildest

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Speaker 2: telenovela about the beltwet. So that said, let me tell

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Speaker 2: you about a guy.

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Speaker 3: I love. A guy, go ahead, the.

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Speaker 2: Name of Garrison Courtney. It sounds like a character on Scandal.

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Speaker 2: Courtney's dad was in the Air Force, and because his

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Speaker 2: But this family moved back to the States, more specifically

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Speaker 2: Great Falls, Montana, when he was only four years. When

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Speaker 3: Winds are over, fre software feet whirlwind romance.

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Speaker 2: That's how it works. In Montana, he spent most of

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Speaker 2: he quote worked as a student aid, excelled on the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know something about jazz band. It's kind of

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Speaker 3: like in forty years they're being my high school's hip

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Speaker 2: Starts out really wholesome, and then it just starts getting

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Speaker 2: a high school could wait? What? Anyway, she warned him

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Speaker 3: I got that speech, did you? I really did?

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Speaker 2: Yikes?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank god. In nineteen ninety four, after high school,

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Speaker 2: In ninety five he went on active duty with the army,

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Speaker 3: By the way, shout out to all the firefighters.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, especially inmate firefighters.

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Speaker 3: All of them. Yeah, but like in particular. Yes, those

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Speaker 2: So it's so mad. Things. We've got really bad wildfires

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Speaker 3: That's a California thing. We think about it. But all

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Speaker 3: This It's also one of the coolest job titles ever,

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Speaker 3: Like what do you do? I fight?

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Speaker 2: Fire fight?

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Speaker 3: Like can you imagine? Like what do you I'm a

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Speaker 2: That's the coolest.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, go on, So he gets out.

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Speaker 2: He you know, he attends Montana State University Northern. He's

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Speaker 2: Around ninety seven, he transferred to University of Montana at

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Speaker 3: Nice.

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Speaker 2: Here's what one of his college roommates had to say.

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Speaker 2: On the other end of the phone was Garrison, who

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Speaker 2: He said he was a stand up comedian, and I

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Speaker 3: As somebody who will entertain himself with impressions, Oh god,

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Speaker 2: Very few people can do impressions like I can.

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Speaker 3: No, yeah, are you kidding me? I don't even get close.

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Speaker 2: Well, so the roommates said that living with him was

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Speaker 3: Oh God.

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Speaker 2: And he said, everyone like gravitated.

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Speaker 3: Towards him, or like some good cocaine.

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Speaker 2: That sounds exhausting. He sounds so exhausting, like I am

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Speaker 3: And then he just chatters for vers impressions. You're like,

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Speaker 2: Man? He's like, can we talk? Wait? What stop? He

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Speaker 2: Skeptical of his story because I was familiar with how

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a very big comedy area. Yeah, so

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Speaker 3: It's not a stop on the big comedy circuits than this, right.

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Speaker 2: No. There was an article in nineteen ninety eight in

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Speaker 2: Let me let the paper tell you. Courtney made time

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Speaker 2: Forget to mention his meteorological training.

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Speaker 2: He gets transferred to science it is he gets well,

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Speaker 2: not really clear what his next jobs were, but they

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Speaker 3: No way from this way.

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Speaker 2: He also said he was chief of staff for a

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Speaker 2: quote high profile member of Congress. That's mysterious. Maybe it

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Speaker 2: he's living in DC like Olivia Pope. Is he wearing

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Speaker 2: You know? Who's to say? He was working as a

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Speaker 2: and five, he did actually apply for and was offered

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Speaker 3: Wait, he applied for one.

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Speaker 3: They're like, we need somebody who can do weather comedy.

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Speaker 2: You can apply for a job at the CIA, but.

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Speaker 3: Not as like an agent.

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Speaker 2: Why not? I'm going to write him a letter.

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Speaker 3: I don't think.

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Speaker 2: Hey, guys, me, from what I.

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Speaker 3: Understand that it's more often that they reach out to you, Like,

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Speaker 2: That's what I understood? But who you know?

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Speaker 3: All the people I know have been approached by the CIA.

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Speaker 3: as speak to yourself. Yeah, it is. You can learn

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Speaker 2: All the people I've known named John are named John,

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Speaker 2: So it's safe to say he never worked for the CIA.

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Speaker 2: there's no evidence of this.

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Speaker 3: And you think they could find that.

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Speaker 2: He might have been a secret agent for TMS.

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Speaker 3: There you go deep cover on TMZ.

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Speaker 2: Whatever he's doing. He did leave government work and he

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Speaker 3: Defense Secure, Special Security.

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Speaker 2: Defense contractors, and like he knows tons of people he

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Speaker 3: I don't get it, okay.

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Speaker 2: He said that his work was quote Marketing and Communications

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Speaker 2: bio quote, Garrison Courtney is a communications ninja focused on

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Speaker 3: Oh god, So he's a professionals.

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Speaker 2: Can I just say that, like every day the world

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Speaker 3: You just set her down. He's already climbing back up.

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Speaker 2: Nope, get back, get back, Satan. Okay. So he's doing

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Speaker 3: The families, no, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: They thought that they hired Oliver Pope fixer. They wanted results.

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Speaker 2: Courtney said he had them. He presented them with a

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Speaker 3: Off, like wait a minute, be on here, the committee

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Speaker 2: I know this guy used to be a US ambassador

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Speaker 2: And so he's like, I know this guy, Curtis Windsor

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Speaker 3: So through like the Freemasons. Like he's not a member

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Speaker 3: Like I was hanging out with.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So now we've cleared that up, we'll take a

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Speaker 2: Apparently Garrison Courtney was in the Freemasons, and he knows

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Speaker 2: He connects them, He's like you meet you, and so

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Speaker 2: Well, So the friend did something you should have done

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Speaker 3: Well even better.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So the phone rings, The wife answers, wait a miracle.

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Speaker 2: Hey O. So then the ambassador gets on the phone

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Speaker 3: You know the only way I think that you can

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Speaker 3: Either you were like sleeping with like somebody in the

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Speaker 3: that you're not supposed to do. You're not supposed to

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00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:02,040
Speaker 3: fraternize or do business like no romantic money man, And I.

441
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:05,600
Speaker 2: Guess that that's exactly what that was. Yeah, So I'm

442
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,640
Speaker 2: guess they're on the phone chatting about this, like wait

443
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,800
Speaker 2: what he was kicked out? I can't tell you any

444
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:15,160
Speaker 2: more about it, please, And then, by chance, right when

445
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,159
Speaker 2: the friend is on the phone with the ambassador, he

446
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,679
Speaker 2: gets a text from Courtney. Yes, and the text is like,

447
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 2: the ambassador says he's pulling out of the investment, but

448
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,439
Speaker 2: I have good news. I have another friend from the

449
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:30,640
Speaker 2: Freemasons who's interested. And so the friend was like, oh

450
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:35,600
Speaker 2: my god. Yeah, so he calls Courtney a fraud right

451
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,960
Speaker 2: to his face. And then the friend he gets all

452
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,919
Speaker 2: the bogus documents that had been provided to him and

453
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 2: he goes to the cops. However, since he hadn't actually

454
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:49,359
Speaker 2: lost any money, the police didn't care. They send it

455
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:53,639
Speaker 2: to prosecutors. The colleague he went around to other contractors,

456
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 2: He went over to the Pentagon and like, no one

457
00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:58,680
Speaker 2: got back to him. He's just like trying to spread

458
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,440
Speaker 2: the truth. So he started a word press website.

459
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,399
Speaker 3: Naturally, he called it guys love this this is the

460
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:05,160
Speaker 3: move your guys.

461
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,879
Speaker 2: He called it Garrison Courtney cheating America one sucker at

462
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:13,920
Speaker 2: a time. There are three posts in the about me section.

463
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 2: He has a poll that's like the question is have

464
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,600
Speaker 2: I screwed you? And then there are three answers. Yes

465
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 2: you lied, that's fifty three point nine one percent, Yes

466
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 2: you defrauded me twenty five point five to one percent,

467
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,920
Speaker 2: Yes you stole from me twenty point fifty eight percent

468
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,479
Speaker 2: above or No. I don't know this guy. I couldn't

469
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,720
Speaker 2: answer it. Have I screwed No? I have never heard

470
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 2: of him. Another little bit from the site quote, I

471
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,439
Speaker 2: may tell you how I have traveled the world in

472
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,880
Speaker 2: secrecy for the Masons. I may tell you I can

473
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 2: bring you one hundred million dollars in dea and army contracts.

474
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 2: I probably will forget to tell you that I was

475
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:55,200
Speaker 2: kicked out of the Masons for unethical behavior and me yow,

476
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,400
Speaker 2: So we have so now we have this guy. He's

477
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,359
Speaker 2: like on a min No one's listening to him. Courtney

478
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:04,200
Speaker 2: just keeps rolling.

479
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,439
Speaker 3: He's a lighthouse trying to warn people at the.

480
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,879
Speaker 2: Same time, Like Courtney's like just moving on with it.

481
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,159
Speaker 2: But things aren't so rosy for him. He's in serious

482
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 2: financial that's.

483
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 3: Just about ass. Yeah, he's a new big school.

484
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 2: He's having personal problems. He divorces his first wife, then

485
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 2: he marries her, he divorces her apparently wow, and then

486
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 2: he marries this other lady. They wind up having like

487
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 2: three kids together, not all at once. This is according

488
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,879
Speaker 2: to the Daily Beast quote. He defaulted on his mortgage

489
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,160
Speaker 2: and his car loan, and was evicted from his home

490
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 2: for not paying rent, according to public records. In March

491
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 2: of twenty fourteen, he filed for bankruptcy. The records show

492
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 2: he owed creditors six hundred ninety seven, one hundred and

493
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 2: fifty seven dollars, while claiming personal assets of just four

494
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,639
Speaker 2: eight hundred and twenty three dollars, about four hundred of

495
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:54,200
Speaker 2: which was cash. His obligations included a twenty five thousand

496
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,199
Speaker 2: dollars divorce settlement, twenty five hundred dollars a month in

497
00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:01,439
Speaker 2: child support, thirty five thousand in six hundred, eleven of

498
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 2: which was in arrears, an eleven thousand, two hundred and

499
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:08,400
Speaker 2: forty five dollars IRS bill, a one hundred and nineteen

500
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 2: thousand and fifty one dollars civil judgment for breach of

501
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:15,679
Speaker 2: contract and hundreds of thousands more dollars in medical bills,

502
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 2: car loans, student loans, business loans, lawyer's fees, and credit

503
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:19,399
Speaker 2: card debt.

504
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 3: Damn, that's quite the collection.

505
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:22,920
Speaker 2: So things weren't so great.

506
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 3: No, but then he is a CV it kind of

507
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:25,919
Speaker 3: lack of it.

508
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 2: It's rough. But then along came Alpha to fourteen, Alpha

509
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:34,400
Speaker 2: to fourteen, Alpha two fourteen aka the Task Force AKAA

510
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,159
Speaker 2: two fourteen aka not B six thirteen?

511
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 3: Are you kidding me?

512
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 2: This all went down while Scandal was on the air?

513
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:43,639
Speaker 3: Are you kidding?

514
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 2: Early two, mid twenty teens.

515
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 3: He watched TV and he's like, I can.

516
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,680
Speaker 2: Do I really do wonder if he was inspired by

517
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 2: the show.

518
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 3: He moved from B to A and then got some numbers.

519
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 2: You can't find anyone making that connection, and they didn't.

520
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 3: Nobody, No, only us is immediately thinking that we watched

521
00:25:58,720 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 3: too much Scandals.

522
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 2: So he's not just getting consulting gigs. By playing up

523
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 2: his connection to his time in the DEA, he also

524
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 2: starts hinting at or just directly stating that he's deep.

525
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:16,400
Speaker 2: He's a deep cover CIA operative. The people he's trying

526
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 2: to get jobs from. Future He's on a classified assignment

527
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:25,199
Speaker 2: crucial to national security, and like somehow a bunch of

528
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 2: companies hired him, like not really as a consultant, but

529
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 2: is quote commercial cover. So basically a cover job that's

530
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 2: going to make him look like he's gainfully employed. He's

531
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 2: just a regular average joe.

532
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 3: Do they think it's a tax?

533
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 2: Right off? They think that they're helping their government. But wait,

534
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 2: you'll see, so in exchange for like the title and

535
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 2: the paycheck, he's going to make sure that they get

536
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:51,120
Speaker 2: like sweet government contracts of course, so that's why they're

537
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:51,439
Speaker 2: doing it.

538
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 3: Now.

539
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 2: You'd think that his luck would run out when the

540
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 2: contracts didn't materialize.

541
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 3: One would think, but sometimes they did the content.

542
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 2: So yeah, if you can believe it, because I couldn't.

543
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 2: He was actually able to con some military and government

544
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 2: officials into doling out contracts as part of his cover.

545
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't even want to depress you with how

546
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:12,719
Speaker 3: many contracts are given out.

547
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 2: He said that his mission was so super secret that

548
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 2: even government officials weren't suspicious. They just thought it was

549
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 2: over their pay grade.

550
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 3: Are you getting no, I'm not.

551
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 2: So his main targets in all of this he must

552
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 2: know and he's just we saw it like in his

553
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 2: early years, he's just I'm.

554
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 3: Saying from the DA He's figured out the right language

555
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:36,880
Speaker 3: to use later exactly.

556
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 2: So his main targets in this small defense contractor. Oh,

557
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 2: of course, so he'd say that he was leading up

558
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 2: a program to start a new network of companies that

559
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 2: could help the US with its intelligence gathering wuff right,

560
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,120
Speaker 2: And this is around the time of the Edward Snowden leaks. Oh.

561
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 2: He used that to his advantage. So when asked, he

562
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 2: would say that the task force that he was building

563
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 2: was in an effort to head off the next to

564
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 2: make sure it didn't happen again. Or he would tell

565
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 2: them that he was quote supporting secret military maneuvers in Africa,

566
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 2: or fighting Chinese commercial espionage like whatever he thought would

567
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 2: land when he was talking to him.

568
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 3: How how well versed are they with Tom Cruise's filmography, and.

569
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 2: So it depends meaning to meeting what he's going to do.

570
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 2: And you know what, I shouldn't just tell you about

571
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 2: the meetings, saren closure eyes, Yes, I want you to

572
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 2: picture it closed. Your name is Brock Taggington, and you

573
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 2: are the CEO of a small defense contractor in Bethesda Maryland.

574
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 2: You're in your office at a nondescript office park, waiting

575
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 2: to meet with a man who has contacted you about

576
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 2: some government business. That's you, mister government business. Your company

577
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 2: makes the joysticks for the drones that you know what.

578
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 2: Let's just leave it at that. So there you are

579
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 2: in your office. Your assistant Knox and then ushers man

580
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 2: to the seat set up in front of your desk,

581
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 2: facing you. You stand and shake his hand. He's a tall,

582
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 2: milk fed farm boy looking guy, brown hair, with the

583
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 2: slightest tinge of red go tee, navy blue suit. He

584
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 2: looks like every other guy at the golf course, and

585
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 2: he looks like he may own more than one pair

586
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 2: of salmon colored shorts. He one hundred percent owns a visor.

587
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 2: He looks like his party has once been asked to

588
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 2: leave a buffalo wild wings, but he managed to talk

589
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 2: their way out of it. From being eighty six, that's

590
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 2: what he looks like. So he's got a good handshake.

591
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 2: He seems like you're kind of guy. He clears his

592
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 2: throat and sits down, pulls a folder from his briefcase,

593
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 2: drops it onto your desk. You look at the label

594
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 2: on the front of the folder A two fourteen that

595
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 2: kind of reminds you of something from your favorite TV show, Scandal.

596
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 2: You like to curl up on the sofa in your

597
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 2: man cave with a glass of red wine and an

598
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 2: enormous bowl of popcorn. I'm talking enough popcorn to feed

599
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 2: a family of four. So thinking about the show makes

600
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 2: you think of all the amazing saying if ill timed

601
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 2: soul music used in the episodes, excuse me, You tell

602
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 2: the man, do you mind if I put on the

603
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 2: radio not too loud or anything. It just helps me

604
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 2: think when I'm working on government contracts. Go right ahead,

605
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 2: the man says. You flip on the digital radio on

606
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 2: the table behind your desk, and the sweet sounds of

607
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 2: Motown just barely drift into the air above you. You

608
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 2: do one of your affirmations, I am command, you tell yourself.

609
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 2: Then you tell the man to go ahead start his pitch.

610
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 2: I'm part of something called the task force, he says.

611
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 2: Some call it A two fourteen or Alpha two fourteen.

612
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 2: This is a very sensitive project, one authorized directly by

613
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 2: the Attorney General, the Director of National Intelligence, and President

614
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 2: Obama himself. Go on, you say, The man proceeds to

615
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 2: tell you that if anyone ever asks you about a

616
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 2: two fourteen or even this conversation that you're having, he'll

617
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 2: deny everything. And then he goes on to explain that

618
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 2: he needs a job. He needs a cover story, nor

619
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 2: job that would act as cover since he was a

620
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 2: super secret undercover adventure man. You reach over and open

621
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 2: the folder. Inside is his resume. You scan it quickly,

622
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,959
Speaker 2: weather Man, Well, these could be his other cover jobs.

623
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 2: Courtney explains to you that he served in the US

624
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 2: Army during the Gulf War and had hundreds of confirmed

625
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 2: kills while in combat. You love that. That makes you happy,

626
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 2: because your soul and your conscience are but charred husks.

627
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 2: He says that he has a little wheeze sometimes because

628
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 2: he got lung injuries from smoke caused by the fires

629
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 2: set to Iraq's oil fields. Oh and a hostile foreign

630
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 2: intelligence service once attempted to assassinate him by poisoning him

631
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 2: with ricin So he may or may not be able

632
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 2: to fulfill the job description requirement of the ability to

633
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 2: lift twenty pounds. So you stare at the man for

634
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 2: a while. His story is wild, and why would he

635
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 2: tell you such secrets. You always trust your gut just

636
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 2: like Olivia Pope. You know what to do. You're hired,

637
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 2: you tell him so as you can guess. Everything Courtney

638
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 2: told the defense contractor you was garbage. So the truth

639
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 2: was that his dad was the one who served in

640
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 2: the golf for he was in the National Guard after

641
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 2: the golf w he did have asthma that was made

642
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 2: worse by fighting fires in Montana and not the Iraqi

643
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 2: oil fire skills. This is according to the Justice Department.

644
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 3: He watches a lot of movies. It sounds like because

645
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 3: these are all iconic things, oil fires.

646
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 2: Totally, Totally, this is what, according to the Justice Department quote.

647
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 2: Courtney went to extraordinary lengths to perpetuate the illusion that

648
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 2: he was a deep cover operative. Among other things, he

649
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 2: falsely claimed that his identity and large portions of his

650
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 2: conduct were classified, and directed victims and witnesses to sign

651
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 2: fake non disclosure agreements that purported to be from the

652
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 2: US government and that forbade anyone involved from speaking openly

653
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 2: about the supposed classified program. So he's walking around with

654
00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 2: NDA's just handing them out. Some of the Defense exist

655
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 2: katives that he met with got even stranger fishtails. He

656
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 2: would tell them that they could be in danger or

657
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 2: under Russian surveillance just.

658
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 3: By working by contacting.

659
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so for this reason, I'm He's like, you

660
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 2: know what, you should buy everything with cash, like stop

661
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 2: using your credit cards? Like why is it just you know,

662
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 2: it adds to the it adds to it. He's like,

663
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 2: you need to be careful what you say on the phone,

664
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:28,959
Speaker 2: which is honestly just good advice. An he tells them

665
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 2: that they should think about buying guns. But I feel

666
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 2: like these dudes probably already hadn't covered like guns. I guess.

667
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 2: So he's saying all this crazy stuff, but his paperwork

668
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 2: seemed legit, and he had authentic looking contracts NDAs from

669
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 2: the CIA Pentagon. They're on official letterhead, and they're signed

670
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 2: with serious names like Glenn Nelson, the Glen has two ends?

671
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 2: There whoa or Glenn or Glen Nielsen and the Glen

672
00:33:55,360 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 2: has two ends? Or Gary Pearson or Garrison Pearson. Wait

673
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 2: a minute, they're all fake names, but they sounded super

674
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 2: real to do guys. Yeah, According to the New York

675
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 2: Times quote.

676
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 3: I like the you know, not to do Gary Pearson.

677
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:10,879
Speaker 3: He's like, I got it, Yeah, make it sound read.

678
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 2: I don't want to go to the far side. Yes,

679
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 2: this is what it was. In the New York Times,

680
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 2: quote Norman Hayes, a retired Navy rear admiral and thirty

681
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 2: year veteran of intelligence work who was bamboozled by mister Courtney.

682
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 2: He told me, quote he knew the jargon had connections

683
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,839
Speaker 2: everywhere in government. No door seemed closed to him. You'd

684
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 2: need access to a highly secure video teleconferencing system, and

685
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 2: no problem. He'd get access to a government facility whose

686
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 2: name I can't even reveal. So he is some guy

687
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 2: who was in intelligence for thirty years.

688
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 3: So he's partly legit in terms of how he's able

689
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 3: to connive someone else. And it shows that to another person.

690
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,720
Speaker 3: But the person that he probably conned originally he doesn't

691
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 3: know that that's what he's doing, right, but then it

692
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 3: gives him the authority or the least, you know, the

693
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 3: gravitas of that, and the person believes and then now they.

694
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 2: Will vouch it exactly. And that's how he has.

695
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 3: He's making stone soup, but for his well And the

696
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 3: thing is it's.

697
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 2: One thing to pull the wool over the eyes of

698
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 2: some war profiteers. He went even bigger. He convinced seven

699
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 2: government officials DEA military intelligence community that A two fourteen

700
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 2: was real. What Yeah, Like, who he gets? He gets

701
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 2: a high ranking Navy officer, he gets a person in

702
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 2: the Office of the Director of National Intelligence. Two DEA officials.

703
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 2: The only name that was made public later was Eileen Prasser,

704
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 2: a senior Air Force liaison to the National Geospatial Intelligence Agents.

705
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 3: Wait, you're telling me he got all these guys the

706
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 3: only person to hear about his one woman.

707
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 2: Of course.

708
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just saying I just noticed Eileen. I was like,

709
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 3: wait a minute.

710
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 2: Like, but come on, Eileen. Yeah, okay, so but the

711
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 2: National Geospatial Intelligence Agency NNGA, I've never heard of that. Amazing.

712
00:35:55,840 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 2: So she Eileen. She worked for thirty years again in intelligence defense,

713
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 2: and when she was asked by two trusted senior intelligence

714
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 2: officials to act as an unpaid program manager for A

715
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 2: two fourteen, she said, yes.

716
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 3: She's working on the spike.

717
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 2: Eileen, we talked about this. Come on, Eileen, but it's

718
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 2: because two trusted senior officials, like he just the snowballing it, right.

719
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 3: Yeah. So it's not who you know, not what you know,

720
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 3: it's who you know.

721
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 2: He also convinced two private citizens, described by The Daily

722
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 2: Beasts as quote a pediatric anesthetus with a side gig

723
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 2: as a writer and video producer and then consultant for

724
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 2: private companies doing business with the federal government. He tells

725
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 2: them that they've been selected for a two fourteen, and

726
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,320
Speaker 2: he asked them to pose as government officials in meetings

727
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 2: as like their first big undercover op. So he's meeting

728
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,359
Speaker 2: with the intelligence officials, big dogs. Where do they.

729
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 3: Meet Denny's Starbucks?

730
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 2: No, girl, No, that's not where they met. Sometimes they

731
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 2: met in actual government secure rooms, sensitive compartmented information facilities,

732
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,240
Speaker 2: scaled the skiff.

733
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 3: Are you kidding me?

734
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:03,800
Speaker 2: No, the ones where they patch you down before you

735
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 2: had no cell phones. Law.

736
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 3: I thought he was doing like the Rockford Files where

737
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 3: you meet him in the lobby of the building and

738
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 3: you act like you've just come from it. I gotta

739
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 3: go outside because he.

740
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 2: Had fooled so many government officials to.

741
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 3: The living into the clear rooms.

742
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 2: He's like, we need the skiff for this one. This

743
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 2: is according to the Washington Post, quote Courtney didn't take

744
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,800
Speaker 2: you out to the waffle house. They met in secure

745
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:28,760
Speaker 2: facilities at the National Geospatial Intelligence agency and at Riverside Research,

746
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 2: a nonprofit that does scientific research for the government. He

747
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:35,399
Speaker 2: said both required extensive background checks, and in the room

748
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 2: were current and former high ranking government officials. We were

749
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 2: in there with some major companies that were sitting right

750
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 2: next to us CEOs of companies, said Ed MacDonald, who

751
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 2: ran a small Gainesville, Virginia based contracting firm with his

752
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 2: wife that was defrauded by Courtney. I was like, well,

753
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 2: if they've already validated it, who am I to question it?

754
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 3: Always question everything exactly.

755
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 2: So he's bringing together defense contract actors to meet with

756
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,359
Speaker 2: government officials about some totally made up spy group.

757
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 3: And also, if you don't know why you're in the room,

758
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 3: probably not be in the room exactly. Like there's a

759
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 3: reason why you're not in that room.

760
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 2: Yes, And like I think, because it sounded so cool.

761
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 3: Everybody wants it. I could told me he would.

762
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 2: Give the government folks a list of quote official talking points,

763
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 2: information that he just pulled out of his patuit totally,

764
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 2: and they'd all sit around and play scandal together. Meanwhile

765
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 2: he's setting up millions of dollars in deals that would

766
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 2: ultimately go to him. Oh my god, he did get

767
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 2: an actual job as a contractor at a government agency,

768
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 2: the National Institutes of Health Information Technology Acquisition and Assessment Center. Wow,

769
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 2: they do you know it? Related government contract There.

770
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,760
Speaker 3: Are another alphabet, but not a common one.

771
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 2: He told them that they'd also been chosen by the

772
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 2: CIA to handle a two Fourteen's it stuff big win, right,

773
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 2: and then he's going to be the supervisor for all

774
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 2: the personnel. Brothers, Let's pause here for commerce, and upon

775
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 2: our return, we shall find out how Garrison Courtney's little

776
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 2: scam was going now that he was bringing in actual

777
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 2: government agencies. Okay, so Garrison Courtney, he's playing both shorte

778
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 2: ud Okay.

779
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 3: During the break, I was thinking about it. You pointed

780
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 3: this out earlier. So it's B six thirteen. He name

781
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,800
Speaker 3: says A two fourteen, So he keeps the one in

782
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 3: the teensplice. He goes up one or from three to

783
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 3: and then he's like, oh two six, I gotta go

784
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 3: away from six. There's only so many numbers. Let's go

785
00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:59,959
Speaker 3: with two. I mean, they he did almost no work,

786
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 3: and nobody, nobody's ever mentioned this.

787
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 2: I looked, I could not find any mention of it.

788
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 3: People need to watch more TV. That's what that's what

789
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 3: I'm getting from this.

790
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 2: So he's telling the government that they have given him

791
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 2: a secret spy operation and they should allow him to

792
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:20,240
Speaker 2: hire folks and contracts to defense. And then he's telling

793
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 2: the defense contractors he's in charge of a secret spy

794
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 2: operation and they can get government contracts from there. So

795
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 2: it's like if he said at enough times, it became true.

796
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 3: It feels like that, you.

797
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 2: Know, soon enough, though, contractors, they're wondering.

798
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 3: He has a wife and three kids right now, he's

799
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 3: got like a normal life. Okay.

800
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 2: The contractors are like, why are there no actual contracts

801
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 2: coming in? And the ones that have come in, why

802
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 2: aren't they paying out? So Cordy and he's on the

803
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 2: payroll of all these places because remember they're providing him

804
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 2: cover job, So where's the balance for that? They're like,

805
00:40:55,520 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 2: you were on health dental vision. Come on, he's got

806
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 2: like quintuple coverage on the medical, so they you don't

807
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 2: have a co pay, They pay you when you go

808
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 2: in for an appointment. So when he's confronted, right, hey, Garrison,

809
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 2: what's up, he would threaten the security clearance that he

810
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 2: got them, which wasn't real to begin with. He's like

811
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 2: you have level eight security. They're like, oh my god,

812
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 2: don't tell anyone about it. So then he's like, you

813
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 2: know what, I'm pulling your security clearance if you have

814
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 2: a problem with this, or he would just like straight

815
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 2: up accuse them of being spies, like you're from j

816
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 2: twenty five. So yeah, so just like it flips it around.

817
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 2: The Department of Justice said he also quote created fake

818
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 2: letters purporting to have been issued by the Attorney General

819
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 2: of the United States, which claimed to grant blanket immunity

820
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 2: to those who participated in the supposedly classified program.

821
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 3: He's handing out get out of jail free cards from

822
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 3: the government from the government.

823
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that worked for a while until it didn't.

824
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 3: So in.

825
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 2: Twenty fifteen, one company, Blue Canopy, they wanted the government

826
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 2: to pay. Yeah, that sounds like one of those meal

827
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 2: or like a dog food confusing with a bunch of

828
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 2: other things. So they want the government to pay sand company.

829
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 2: They had a one point nine million dollar contract that

830
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,240
Speaker 2: he needed to be paid. Yeah, that's a lot of chicken.

831
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 2: So Cortney, he gets desperate, and so he goes to

832
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 2: an investment firm in Virginia and he tells him that

833
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 2: the government is going to try and seize Blue Canopy

834
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 2: for criminal violations by the senior executive Sarah, but that

835
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 2: he the man in charge of a secret spy agency.

836
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 2: He had a one point nine to five million dollars

837
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:50,760
Speaker 2: he throws in an extra, you know, fifty grand contract.

838
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 2: Was Canopy and A two fourteen really needed the money,

839
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 2: and if the Fed seized everything, all spying hell would

840
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 2: break loose, that they wouldn't be able to pay their

841
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 2: windbreaker and earpiece bills, and that there's wine and popcorn

842
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,760
Speaker 2: to buy for crime Andy's sake. So why was Blue

843
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 2: Canopy funding this secret spy project?

844
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 3: And there's no like those called the assassin hats.

845
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 2: Those aren't all the assassin hats like they're very expensive

846
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 2: these days. So Courtney is like tells the investment firm

847
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 2: that the money couldn't come directly from the government, that

848
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 2: there had to be plausible deniability if A two fourteen

849
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,879
Speaker 2: got found out, of course, so this investment firm had

850
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 2: to be the one to wire Courtney the money. But

851
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 2: no worries someone's going to wire them two point five

852
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 2: million on behalf of the government. They're going to make

853
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 2: money on the risk. But here's my thing. Did no

854
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 2: one at this investment firm ask why the third party

855
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 2: wiring them the two point five million? Couldn't wire Courtney

856
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 2: the money.

857
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 3: Or like, could I get like a purchase order or

858
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:58,879
Speaker 3: some kind of like paperwork maybe like.

859
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 2: A well a wire train if you asked for paperwork.

860
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 2: He had official looking paperwork, and it would be so

861
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 2: cool to be involved in a secret spy organization. They

862
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 2: watch Scandal. Oh yeah, they're like, all right, it's worth

863
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 2: the risk.

864
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:13,879
Speaker 3: They go to work with their phone on their hip.

865
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 3: They're like, I want to pull.

866
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 2: This boy Houlster for that. Yes, they totally guys got

867
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 2: the Oakley's on the loa. So he had this official

868
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 2: looking document. He's holding meetings in a skiff. Government officials there,

869
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 2: they're like, deal, all right. So the investment firm wires

870
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 2: one point nine million to Blue Canopy, who didn't care

871
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 2: that the money was coming from some lawyer's escrow account.

872
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 2: So it made sense. You know, it's like spy stuff.

873
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 2: It's going to come. You know, it will come as

874
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 2: no surprise that the investment company was never paid. What yeah,

875
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:53,240
Speaker 2: I know, crazy, huh. So twenty fifteen, the government finally

876
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 2: opens an investigation into Garrison Courtney, and they finally spoke

877
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 2: to the guy who got so check cheesed off that

878
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 2: he made a website. But there was a problem. Courtney

879
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 2: had convinced these people. Hell, by the.

880
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,800
Speaker 3: Way, the guy with the website that's easy to find,

881
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 3: like all type in his name, but he's using all

882
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 3: these fake names so people can't find Yeah.

883
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 2: He is, he's clouding the fake names. So but he Okay,

884
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 2: he's convinced all these people that he's deep undercovered, sure,

885
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 2: and that A two fourteen is the most sensitive of

886
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 2: sensitive operations. And you're very lucky that he'll tell you

887
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 2: about it, like I'll tell you because you're amazing.

888
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 3: Command doesn't like you to talk exactly.

889
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 2: Knowing about it could get them killed.

890
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 3: Karen, I'm putting you in danger even mentioning it.

891
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 2: That's right. So a lot of the companies he bamboozled

892
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 2: they wouldn't talk to the FEDS because they felt that

893
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 2: they had quote a legal and patriotic duty to remain silent,

894
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 2: perfect marks right, And this goes above this is above

895
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 2: the president.

896
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,760
Speaker 3: They don't ask questions, they believe what they want to believe,

897
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 3: and they tell themselves a story. He doesn't even need

898
00:45:58,600 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 3: to tell them.

899
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, decisely.

900
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 3: So.

901
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,879
Speaker 2: January twenty sixteen, the FBI serves as subpoena to one

902
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 2: of the companies that where he had a job.

903
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:08,760
Speaker 3: Jobs.

904
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,439
Speaker 2: He finds out and he tries to stop it. So

905
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 2: he what does he do? He goes and tries to

906
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:20,399
Speaker 2: get a two fourteen legitimized under National security law. He's

907
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:21,760
Speaker 2: just gonna make it real.

908
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:26,359
Speaker 3: What how under who's aegis Like, I don't well.

909
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 2: A government memo later said, quote, it is chilling to

910
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:33,280
Speaker 2: consider what the defendant could have accomplished. Yes, that's serious

911
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 2: B six thirteen s.

912
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 3: Yes, if he actually did manage to get the clarence

913
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 3: and then become confidential, he actually would be able to

914
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 3: erase a lot of his trial and then people he

915
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 3: would be above the law.

916
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:43,320
Speaker 2: Uh huh.

917
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, he almost makes it.

918
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,240
Speaker 2: He gets called up to the Pentagon, Oh my goodness,

919
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 2: and the Air Force's highest ranking intelligence officer, Lieutenant General

920
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 2: Robert Otto, wants to meet with him. They already knew

921
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 2: each other because Courtney had come to AUTO a year

922
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 2: before with his scam. He tried to scam the highest

923
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 2: ranking intelligence officer in the Air Force, and so AUTO

924
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,280
Speaker 2: at the time like when he hears this, it sounded

925
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,720
Speaker 2: fishy to him. He tells him, kicks, I'm not interested.

926
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 2: But now Auto's reaching out to him. So super spy

927
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 2: Garrison Courtney He's like, this is great. He finally figured

928
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 2: it out. I can rope this dude in I can

929
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 2: get some leverage cards. Zaron, he could not close your eyes.

930
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 2: I'm just kidding. So Courtney he meets with Auto and

931
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 2: Auto is wearing a wire for the FBI. So Courtney

932
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 2: he starts bragging about how he'd had a meeting at

933
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 2: the White House with the Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence.

934
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 2: What kind of meeting He's like, oh, you know, like stuff,

935
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 2: And the FBI told the general to ask some specific

936
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,839
Speaker 2: questions to try and trap Courtney. So, for example, one

937
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 2: of them, who is your boss at the CIA? Courtney says,

938
00:47:58,360 --> 00:47:58,919
Speaker 2: I don't know.

939
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's how it is.

940
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:04,760
Speaker 2: Many questions they start to make Courtney think that maybe

941
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 2: his goose was coicked. So he got out of there

942
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 2: and he tried to figure out his next move. He

943
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 2: goes to one of the government officials that he duped

944
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 2: into believing a two fourteen he is real, and he

945
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,839
Speaker 2: tells them, you've got to shut down this FBI investigation,

946
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 2: and then he calls some of the companies he's working

947
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 2: with and says, don't cooperate with the FBI like that

948
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 2: there you know. It's it's like they're they're going to

949
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 2: feel like they're part of a spy operation.

950
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, just like mentioned Paul Maniford. They're like, oh,

951
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 3: Man's happening. We got to protect that.

952
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 2: So, in a pretty scandal esque move, that official in

953
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:43,839
Speaker 2: Courtney then met with the FBI demandingly stop the investigation

954
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 2: like they're investigating. He goes, He's like you have to

955
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 2: you have to drop it, and the FBI like thinks

956
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 2: about it for like thirty seconds, is like.

957
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 3: No, yeah, no, we don't do that.

958
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 2: This is according to the Justice Department quote. Among other things,

959
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 2: Courtney caused a public official to attempt to prevent a

960
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 2: private company from responding to a grand jury subpoena. Caused

961
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 2: a civilian attorney with the Air Force to contact one

962
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 2: of the prosecutors on the case in an attempt to

963
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 2: read that prosecutor into the bogus program, thereby freezing the investigation.

964
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 2: Caused a public official to threaten FBI agents investigating this

965
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 2: case with themselves being prosecuted if they did not drop

966
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:25,399
Speaker 2: the investigation. Falsely told victims who had questioned his legitimacy

967
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 2: that they were about to be arrested by the FBI

968
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 2: for supposedly leaking classified information. Used unwitting public officials to

969
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 2: feed the names of innocent witnesses to the FBI in

970
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 2: the hopes that the FBI would seek to prosecute those

971
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 2: innocent persons for supposedly leaking classified information, thereby diverting attention

972
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 2: from himself.

973
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 3: He so basically he's on a getaway wagon and throwing

974
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 3: people off the web and helping them.

975
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 2: Well, the FBI, though, they're like, no, not going to happen.

976
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 2: They raid his house, of course, and then they tell

977
00:49:56,040 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 2: his wife that he's under investigation. He corney tells his wife, though, no,

978
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 2: it's a case of mistaken identity and that totally unrelated.

979
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 2: We need to all move to Tampa. But like, guess what,

980
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 2: the FBI knows where Tampa is, you know what I mean?

981
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 3: Like so related?

982
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 2: Yes, So while in Tampa, Courtney starts calling himself Bear Pearson. Yeah,

983
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:26,320
Speaker 2: Bear Bear Bear b a e r oh Bear Pearson.

984
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 2: He gets a job with Huntington Ingles Industry, a military shipbuilder.

985
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 2: Sure why and he lets them in on a secret.

986
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:37,840
Speaker 2: You know you shouldn't tell him this, But he was

987
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:41,240
Speaker 2: deep undercover for the CIA. But my cover got blown,

988
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 2: is what he tells him. But hiring me would mean

989
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 2: you'd have access to huge government contracts. Great, huh, like

990
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 2: what a favor I could do? So in twenty.

991
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:53,879
Speaker 3: Nineteen and shoehorn, what shoe do you want to go in? Show?

992
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 2: In the twenty nineteen the FBI drops in on him again.

993
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 2: They tell him they have enough evidence to press charges now.

994
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,280
Speaker 2: And one government official who fell for his whole act

995
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 2: made a guess estimated that with the commercial cover of

996
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 2: thirty five plus companies, what get thirty five five more

997
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 2: than thirty five jobs at once, he would conservatively be

998
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:19,879
Speaker 2: making two point twenty five million dollars a.

999
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 3: Year easily conservatively.

1000
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. So the government they reached out to hunt well,

1001
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 2: because that's the thing is that they if he has

1002
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 2: thirty more than thirty five jobs, say it's thirty five jobs,

1003
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 2: he can tell them, oh, you don't have to pay me.

1004
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 3: That may like twenty grand a year. Yeah, and I'll

1005
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 3: be forty grand.

1006
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 2: I'm good, you know what, I don't even need benefits

1007
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 2: and they're like, all right, that's.

1008
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 3: I got vision from his other p and I can

1009
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:40,720
Speaker 3: get a two.

1010
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 2: Million dollar contract. Yeah, that's great. So the government they

1011
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 2: reached out to Huntington Ingles Industries in twenty twenty and

1012
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 2: they tell them all about their employee Bear, and so

1013
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 2: he resigns, immediately resigns. In June of twenty two, he

1014
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 2: pleads guilty to one count of wiref and then he

1015
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,919
Speaker 2: admitted to defrauding at least twelve companies of over four

1016
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 2: point four million. His lawyer told the court that Courtney

1017
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 2: had only taken a million dollars for himself because he

1018
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 2: had that all that debt and the rest had gone

1019
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 2: to quote maintaining the fraud. Oh here's the thing, though,

1020
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 2: the prosecution said that he had another nearly four billion

1021
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:28,359
Speaker 2: with a b as in Beyonce in upcoming military contracts

1022
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 2: million set up and because he cooperated, he avoided criminal charges.

1023
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 3: He was released on cooperated from who else do they

1024
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:38,359
Speaker 3: want to get?

1025
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 2: He was released on twenty five thousand dollars bond fitted

1026
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 2: with an ankle monitoring while he's awaiting sentencing. In a

1027
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 2: letter to the judge, he said it was a scheme

1028
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 2: that had just gotten out of control.

1029
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1030
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 2: Think while he's out on bail, he gets a job

1031
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 2: at Pizza Hut to try and pay some bills, and

1032
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 2: I doubt that they pay as well as a defense contractor.

1033
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:02,240
Speaker 2: Pizza Hut workers deserve to be paid defense contractor wages.

1034
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 3: They do. You'd be surprised how many spies you run into.

1035
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 2: I haven't had Pizza Hut in decades, but I will

1036
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 2: go on records saying that they need to make defense

1037
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 2: contractor money. No further questions at this time. So remember

1038
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:14,720
Speaker 2: Huntington Ingles Industries.

1039
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 3: Forget them.

1040
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:21,240
Speaker 2: I feel like they're fake too. Like anyway, they asked

1041
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 2: the government for a real classified briefing to understand Courtney's fraud.

1042
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 2: They wanted their turn in the skiffs erin and they

1043
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 2: wanted it to be real, magical, authentic, But give me

1044
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 2: the real experience that I was promised. Somehow, Courtney finds

1045
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:40,800
Speaker 2: out about their request for a classified meeting. Pizza Hut

1046
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 2: was his B six thirteen cover. He called an attorney

1047
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 2: for Huntington Ingles Industry and said he was someone named

1048
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 2: Devon Asimoria from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence.

1049
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:57,760
Speaker 2: OH Devon Hut he told the lawyer he was calling

1050
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 2: to set up a meeting for company executives to be

1051
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:03,879
Speaker 2: read in to the classified program. They would of course

1052
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 2: have to sign NDA's and they couldn't tell anyone about

1053
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 2: any of this. That they'd all get together in McLean

1054
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 2: you know, CIA headquarters, the mothership. So everyone involved in

1055
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 2: this had learned to be suspicious, a lesson that I

1056
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,879
Speaker 2: learned as a child. But apparently they had to come

1057
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 2: around to this. Someone from huntingdon Ingles Industries got with

1058
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 2: investigators to confirm the meeting. Finally turns out that no

1059
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 2: one named Devin Asimoria works at the Office of the

1060
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 2: Director of National Intelligence.

1061
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 3: Can you believe that, JOCKAMAI.

1062
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:37,720
Speaker 2: So they looked at the phone records and they traced

1063
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:41,280
Speaker 2: the caller's number to an Internet address assigned to Garrison

1064
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:44,799
Speaker 2: Courtney's house. He should have called from Pizza Hut. So

1065
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 2: his bail, as you can guess, was revoked. He had

1066
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 2: to cool his heels in the clink until sentencing, and

1067
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 2: that happened in October twenty twenty who he was sentenced

1068
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 2: to seven years in prison. Really, that's where he is

1069
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 2: right now. He also has to pay back four point

1070
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 2: formula dollars, and it should be noted at this point

1071
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 2: his wife divorced him. I was guessing, Yeah, she's either

1072
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 2: so Zaren, what's your ridiculous takeaway?

1073
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 3: I didn't try hard enough. I mean, like, just where

1074
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 3: are roads diverged in that snow? We would I'm sorry

1075
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 3: to question I could he lived with such an interesting

1076
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 3: life's agency. I mean, like, come on, I would have

1077
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:27,800
Speaker 3: been so good inventing a spy agency. Man, I'm just envious.

1078
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,839
Speaker 3: But also I'm always blown away by this, Like how

1079
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:33,319
Speaker 3: I mentioned it earlier. Basically, it's how easy it is

1080
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 3: to make someone like to get over their gollibility, or

1081
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 3: to basically weaponize their go ability against them, or to

1082
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 3: get over their their critical thinking skills and get them

1083
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 3: to no longer be critical at all. With the no

1084
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 3: longer questioning, they're just trying to make sense of things. Yeah,

1085
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 3: it happens rather quickly. You see it, like in in

1086
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 3: religion or culture where the people but this is that

1087
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 3: same place where it's they're moving from a place of belief.

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Speaker 3: They're not thinking, they're just going all this makes it.

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Speaker 3: I believe that he's this. I believe this is how

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Speaker 3: the world works. I believe spy. I mean, that's what

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Speaker 3: they're operating by, is their beliefs. And so how hard

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Speaker 3: is it? But yet if you talk to them, they

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Speaker 3: would all think that they were very savvy. They listen,

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Speaker 3: they waited until he had he used the right language.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, sir, if you could be convinced by the

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Speaker 3: right language, is it the right language exactly?

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Speaker 2: Well, And you know, in case you were wondering, let

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Speaker 2: me tell you my take, Elizabeth. I you know, everyone

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Speaker 2: wants to be involved in something cool, be involved in something.

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Speaker 3: I learned this in Hollywood. That's the power of being on.

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Speaker 2: The inside, that yeah, that you know something that no

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Speaker 2: one else does. And but I'm shocked of all these

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Speaker 2: people who've been in intelligence for thirty years. But we

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Speaker 2: think about all these con men, con artists that we've

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Speaker 2: seen on the show, who are able to just swindle

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Speaker 2: people by their their charm.

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Speaker 3: And their magnifice flash of a badge.

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Speaker 2: Well, but also there's just a certain quality within some

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Speaker 2: people that you can get, you know, others to do

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Speaker 2: whatever they want. And so you know, I think that's

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Speaker 2: it's a curious combination. He hit a sweet spot that's

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Speaker 2: amazing to convince people at the level that he did.

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Speaker 3: But they don't expect somebody to con them, you know

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Speaker 3: what I mean. So they're not he knows this stuff.

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Speaker 3: He does that, so they don't have to actually think

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Speaker 3: about it. They're all excusing themselves from ever being critical

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Speaker 3: because he fits in.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is a want the scandal.

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Speaker 3: No, that's why I don't believe anything I see.

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Speaker 2: I believe nothing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, my father kind of taught me that with Peekaboo.

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Speaker 3: From that point on, I've been skeptical exactly.

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Speaker 2: I think what I need right now is a talkback David. Oh,

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Speaker 2: oh my god, Ie.

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Speaker 4: Nope, nope, there you shut up, shut up, Let Elizabeth

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Speaker 4: do it.

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Speaker 2: Just go.

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Speaker 4: No, it's I'm laughing. You don't stop her. Oh her

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Speaker 4: beautiful Elizabeth, You're beautiful.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 4: Rendition of the German Oh good, That obviously what I

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Speaker 4: think of when I think of a German official. Okay,

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Speaker 4: Dutch spot up.

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Speaker 3: I have to tell myself once again, Montuta Burnett. One

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Speaker 3: doesn't do that. One does I apologize about that. I

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Speaker 3: don't know where my head was at. Okay, Fanny got

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Speaker 3: that beautiful German lab.

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