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Speaker 3: Good evening, everybody, Happy Eve to be twenty twenty five

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Speaker 3: the snippets from Joe Shane's press conference late last week.

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Speaker 3: every occasion for taking us along the way for the

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Speaker 3: next two hours. Today, Paul, We've done a lot of analysis,

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Speaker 3: a lot of pontificating, a lot of over thinking about

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Speaker 3: this draft of the past three months since we were

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Speaker 3: I was all the way back at the Shrine game

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Speaker 3: and the Senior both end of January. You back to

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Speaker 3: the combine when we were in Indianapolis together, and finally

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Speaker 3: we're gonna find that was actually gonna happen tomorrow night.

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Speaker 1: Indeed we will.

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Speaker 5: John.

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Speaker 6: It seems like yesterday we were checking in at the

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Speaker 6: airport trying to get all those oversized heavy baggage, the

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Speaker 6: pieces of luggage through the security system.

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Speaker 1: To get them on the plane. I don't know.

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Speaker 6: Sometimes I think the time drags. Other times it seems

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Speaker 6: to go buy in a heartbeat, But I know this,

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Speaker 6: over the next four to five days, we are not

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think it's gonna be a pretty wild

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Speaker 3: draft as well. Once you get past the elite blue

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Speaker 3: Chippers at the top, which there aren't as many this

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Speaker 3: year as you have had in past years. These draft

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Speaker 3: boards from team to team are going to be very different,

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Speaker 3: you know, in theory, starting as early at four and

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Speaker 3: start around three, where guys are gonna be all over

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Speaker 3: these boards. So I think you're gonna have a lot

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Speaker 3: of surprises. Not sure how much training action we're gonna have,

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Speaker 3: but we'll talk about all that and more. Let's start

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Speaker 3: the New York Football Giants. They select third overall Paul

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Speaker 3: in this year's draft, and it's been a while since

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Speaker 3: we've seen a mock draft from any of these analysts

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Speaker 3: out there predicting the Giants will take a quarterback at three.

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Speaker 3: I would never rule it out. When you don't have

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Speaker 3: a young franchise quarterback for the future, you're always on

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Speaker 3: the lookout for one, So I would never rule it out.

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Speaker 3: But right now, if the analysts are correct, it looks

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Speaker 3: like if cam Ward and Travis Hunter are both off

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Speaker 3: going to be to the Titans at one and then

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Speaker 3: the Browns or Travis Hunter two, that the Giants will

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Speaker 3: be looking at again, either that quarterback we talked about

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Speaker 3: blue chip player in this class besides Ashton Genty. And

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Speaker 3: we're not gonna be talking about a running back here

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Speaker 6: No, certainly not. If you're the Giants. You think about

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Speaker 6: Abdula Carter. There's no doubt he's an immediate impact guy

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Speaker 6: with his tremendous pass rushability. Now, there's no doubt that

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Speaker 6: the medical situation at the Combine that popped up, and

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Speaker 6: a stress for a stress reaction and by the way,

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Speaker 6: he's not coming out to talk to the media.

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Speaker 3: Correct. And by the way, he also had a shoulder

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Speaker 3: injury coming out of last season his wife.

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Speaker 6: Which was minor and not unecessarily something that we thought

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Speaker 6: So you know, we hear this thing at the Combine

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Speaker 3: I mean, John, we were just we couldn't wait. They

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Speaker 6: Wear no says he's not going to be coming out. Well,

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Speaker 6: I understood that agent Drew Rosenhaus has got to protect

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Speaker 6: So we are still kind of in limbo as to

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Speaker 6: But if you're to believe Drew Rosenhaus, he said after

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Speaker 6: by that. And if that's true, then a blue chair

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Speaker 3: That plays a premium position, that's pressure and if you

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Speaker 3: have an edge rusher like an Abdul Carter, you go

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Speaker 3: If you have a player with this type of traits

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Speaker 3: a lot. He did have eleven total sacks in his

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Speaker 3: some room to grow there. He's about two hundred and

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Speaker 3: the number. But I heard Daniel Jeremiah make this comparison.

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Speaker 3: They've made this comparison. They compare him to Von Miller

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Speaker 3: with his upfield burst and his ability to dip and

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Speaker 3: aren't many other players, if the consensus is to be believed,

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Speaker 6: Two things about that comment, John. Number One, elite pass

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Speaker 6: rush skills like what von Miller had, they don't come

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Speaker 6: You don't get one of those in every draft, and.

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Speaker 3: They don't become available in free agency either well, because

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Speaker 6: The other thing is, and I talked to a scout yesterday,

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Speaker 6: you remember a third, fourth, or fifth round edge rusher

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Speaker 6: often said to me, John, that you can't find sleeper quarterbacks.

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Speaker 3: So we've had that debate quite often. But he said

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Speaker 3: to me, he turned it around. It was probably Daniel Hunter,

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Speaker 6: And that's where I came up with. Yeah, and I said,

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Speaker 3: Sure, and he said, do you know why, Paul, Because

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Speaker 3: if you're gonna be good at that position, you have

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Speaker 6: And it's obvious because people could see.

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Speaker 3: Me Trey Hendricks, and I guess you can make the

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Speaker 6: Think like the Giants right straighthand in you manure was

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Speaker 3: All right, Let's now take a look at the Giants

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Speaker 3: draft needs presented by Sloman's. The difference is human. So Paul,

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Speaker 3: not not to go Carder. Let's see what the Giants

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Speaker 3: want available. With that said, I think we've talked about

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Speaker 3: not be a bad idea, whether it's a plugger, a

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Speaker 6: Yes, I think we concur about the first two priorities

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Speaker 6: Well past general managers such as Joe Jong and known

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Speaker 6: one guy on mostly all the boards. But after that,

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Speaker 6: it was like a rainbow in terms of the preference

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Speaker 6: of who might be number two. Wart seemed to shoot

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Speaker 6: out of a cannon up to the top of the list,

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Speaker 6: and all of a sudden, it was like everybody else

441
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Speaker 6: is floating kind of in the bottom. And Juel Sanders

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Speaker 6: gets a lot of hype because of who he is.

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Speaker 6: I understand that, and he had.

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Speaker 3: A very good college career that he did, oh he did.

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Speaker 6: But it was like, well, he's the purple in the rainbow,

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Speaker 6: and Darts the yellow in the rainbow, and Shuck is

447
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Speaker 6: the orange in the rainbow, and you know, pick the color,

448
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Speaker 6: and depending upon the coaching staff, the system, the traits,

449
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Speaker 6: everybody seemed to have this kind of I don't want

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Speaker 6: to say, you know, demolition derby, but it was a

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Speaker 6: demolition derby of as as to who should be the

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Speaker 6: consensus number two.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I think we've seen that continue over the past

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Speaker 3: two as well. So then I think is interesting when

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Speaker 3: you talk about the Giants at thirty four, how they

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Speaker 3: approach trying to find your next guy, and Joe Shane

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Speaker 3: talked about it and what we played back about trying

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Speaker 3: to find a guy that matches the value of where

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Speaker 3: you're picking. And I do not think the Giants are

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Speaker 3: going to force it. I think a big pivot point

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Speaker 3: of this draft will talk about this Tony Paul Lean

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Speaker 3: in our second hour, what the Steelers do at twenty one,

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Speaker 3: whether or not they pick a quarterback, whether or not

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Speaker 3: the Saints pick a quarterback at nine. According to most

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Speaker 3: of the people out there, that seems unlikely. The Steelers

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Speaker 3: more likely at twenty one. You know, they're still waiting

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Speaker 3: on Aaron Rodgers. Who knows what's going to happen there.

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Speaker 3: We just don't know what his decision process is going

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Speaker 3: to be. I don't think anyone does, no, so what

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Speaker 3: they do there could then dictate how many of those

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Speaker 3: quarterbacks are left heading into the twenties, Which then if

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Speaker 3: the Giants, if they like one of these guys, and

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Speaker 3: I think you only make a move to trade up

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Speaker 3: if you really believe one of these guys has a

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Speaker 3: chance to be become a really good future starter to

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Speaker 3: trade up in front of Cleveland to get that guy.

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Speaker 3: And maybe there's just one guy they like from the group,

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Speaker 3: in which case you have to move up. But if

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Speaker 3: you're okay with two of the guys, are you okay

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Speaker 3: with letting the Browns select in front of you at

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Speaker 3: thirty three and then selecting one at thirty four. This

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Speaker 3: is the type of strategy that Joe Shane and his

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Speaker 3: group have been working on in their war room over

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Speaker 3: the past couple of weeks. Depending on how the draft goes,

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Speaker 3: how they approached to pick at thirty four, would they

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Speaker 3: trade up, are they comfortable sitting there at thirty four,

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Speaker 3: or do they punt on the position completely around two

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Speaker 3: and just decide, look, we're gonna stick with what we have.

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Speaker 3: Maybe we pick a guy on round three or day

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Speaker 3: three and we attack it that way. It all depends

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Speaker 3: on how they have these quarterbacks evaluated, which I say

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Speaker 3: this all the time for people like this on the

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Speaker 3: outside looking at it's very difficult to evaluate quarterbacks without

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Speaker 3: getting the time in a room with them, getting them

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Speaker 3: on the board, getting them in front of video, doing

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Speaker 3: the private workouts. I thart the Curt Warner last year

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Speaker 3: and he says John, I can't tell about a quarterbacks

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Speaker 3: processing or decision making by watching him on tape. I

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Speaker 3: can't do it. I don't know what the coach is

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Speaker 3: teaching him. I don't know what they're telling him to do.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what what's expected of him in that

502
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Speaker 3: college offense. So if the Hall of Fame, Super Bowl, NBT,

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Speaker 3: Kurt Water can't figure it out, we can't figure it

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Speaker 3: out at it. We can do our best. We can

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Speaker 3: figure it out, but nobody knows. So I don't know

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Speaker 3: how the Giants have these guys evaluated. Nobody does this

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Speaker 3: for Joe Shane and his crew, and that'll dictate how

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Speaker 3: aggressive the Giants would be trying to get one or

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Speaker 3: deciding not to pick one that early at all.

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Speaker 6: I think maybe an easy analogy that might be really

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Speaker 6: really simple for people to understand. You asked me a

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Speaker 6: few minutes ago about maybe in the second round, if

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Speaker 6: you didn't go quarterback, what would you think about one

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Speaker 6: of the other positions? And I rattled off about six

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Speaker 6: defensive tackles, right, Yeah, And that's because guess what, there

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Speaker 6: seems to be a consensus amongst most football people we

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Speaker 6: talked to and draft guruz that if you get any

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Speaker 6: one of those six defensive tackles, you're gonna be fine.

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Speaker 6: You're gonna get really good value for the slot. That's

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Speaker 6: exactly the opposite of the way it is.

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Speaker 3: With the quarterbacks, because everyone gets pushed up the board.

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Speaker 6: Everyone gets pushed up the board with the quarterbacks, and everybody,

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Speaker 6: outside of what we seem to think about Ward, has

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Speaker 6: a different opinion about each of the guys. It's entirely

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Speaker 6: possible that the Giants like one guy on the second tier,

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Speaker 6: two guys on the second tier, three guys on the

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Speaker 6: second tier. Maybe they like more, maybe they like none

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Speaker 6: of them.

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Speaker 3: And by the way, that second tier might not be

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Speaker 3: the Giants second tier. Maybe they like Will Howard, maybe

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Speaker 3: they like Riley Leonard, Maybe they like Quinn Yours, Carl mccorr.

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Speaker 3: No one knows.

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Speaker 6: Nobody knows, And so that's what makes this position so difficult,

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Speaker 6: because while we know there's gonna be a cluster of

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Speaker 6: running backs in the third and fourth rounds, you'd be

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Speaker 6: happy with getting almost any of them. The defensive tackles,

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Speaker 6: some of the offensive line is a decent cluster of

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Speaker 6: those guys, maybe on the second, second round, third round,

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Speaker 6: the quarterbacks. There doesn't seem to be a consensus over

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Speaker 6: a cluster of guys, and that's what makes that's what

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Speaker 6: makes it so hard, because if you've only got a

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Speaker 6: specific target, then that's the guy you're going to be

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Speaker 6: willing to spend draft capital to go get right.

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Speaker 3: And we went over this on Big Blue Kickoff Live,

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Speaker 3: which is our live show on giants dot com every

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Speaker 3: day at twelve thirty during the week. Some quarterback draft

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Speaker 3: history here I want to go through. It's brought to

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Speaker 3: partner of the New York Giants. So I've had one

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Speaker 3: of our stat services breakdown for us of all the

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Speaker 3: quarterbacks drafted since two thousand and their level of success

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Speaker 3: in the league to see what the difference was. And

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Speaker 3: I had them separated by rounds and day of the draft,

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Speaker 3: and my threshold for success was did you get to

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Speaker 3: the second round of the playoffs with your team. I

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Speaker 3: hate using wins and losses as a quarterbacks that but

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Speaker 3: what am I gonna use QBR? I'd much rather use

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Speaker 3: this as a guy that can lead you deep into

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Speaker 3: the playoffs. So breaking it down and I have a

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Speaker 3: million numbers year, but I'm gonna keep it simple, just

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Speaker 3: to one that's important for quarterbacks selected in round two

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Speaker 3: and round three. Since the year two thousand, only fourteen

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Speaker 3: percent of them got their team to the second round

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Speaker 3: of the playoffs. So you're looking at around fifteen percent.

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Speaker 3: You're looking at around the one and eightish type of chance,

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Speaker 3: give or take between one eighth and one seventh on

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Speaker 3: one of every seven to get your team to the

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Speaker 3: second round of the playoffs. Now, there are some good

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Speaker 3: players in there. Russell Wilson's in there, for example, But

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Speaker 3: you know Drew Brees if you go back further, he's

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Speaker 3: in that group two. But your chances of finding someone

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Speaker 3: in that day too is a little bit lower. But

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Speaker 3: it's easy to make the argument, and I've made it

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Speaker 3: before that it's worth the position is so valuable, it's

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Speaker 3: worth having another bite of the apple, another throw at

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Speaker 3: the dark board to try to have that quarterback in

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Speaker 3: the building to develop into that future starter. Just to

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Speaker 3: give you the number for first round quarterbacks, the numbers

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Speaker 3: that are out forty three percent, and that's the difference,

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Speaker 3: so it's almost three it's about three times lower. If

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Speaker 3: you pick them on day two versus in the first round,

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Speaker 3: and if you're talking in the top five, you're looking

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Speaker 3: at around forty percent at that number. So the chances

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Speaker 3: if you find they won't go significantly down the later

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Speaker 3: you pick them. But fifteen percent not nothing, And you

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Speaker 3: can find good quarterbacks there. I promise you one of

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Speaker 3: those quarterbacks from that second group is probably not promise

588
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Speaker 3: is strong. There's a good chance one of those quarterbacks

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Speaker 3: from that second group is going to become a good

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Speaker 3: football player. The trick is fined in the right one. Now,

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Speaker 3: maybe it's gonna be more than one. I don't know

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Speaker 3: the answer to that. No one does. We don't have

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Speaker 3: Christal loss exactly. So you have a shot, but the

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Speaker 3: percent chances it's a little bit lower the longer you

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Speaker 3: wait to find the quarterback. If you look at rounds

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Speaker 3: four and later, you're looking at four point two percent

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Speaker 3: chance of getting your team to the second round of

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Speaker 3: the playoffs. So it gets lower and lower as you go.

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Speaker 3: Just want to throw those numbers at you, so fans

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Speaker 3: kind of have a feel for what it's like as

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Speaker 3: you draft quarterbacks later and later in the draft, and

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Speaker 3: the chance they have of being successful. For you. All right,

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Speaker 3: let's take a quick time out. We're gonna open up

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Speaker 3: the phones where take your calls in. Our next segment

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Speaker 3: calls at eight eight eight eight oh eight, one zero

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Speaker 3: one nine. Guys, if you're into the draft, it still

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Speaker 3: about twenty four hours. We got a bunch of great

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Speaker 3: the quarterbacks coming out in the draft. We did Chris

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Speaker 3: Sims his son last week, great conversation with him. Todd

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Speaker 3: McShay is up on there. Last week, Bruce Feldman, Nate Tice,

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Speaker 3: great interviews, So make sure you go check it out

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Speaker 3: All right, let's get to your calls here at eight

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Speaker 3: eight eight, eight oh eight, one zero one nine, we're

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Speaker 3: gonna lead things off with John and Cedar. Grove wants

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Speaker 3: to talk about the Giants pick. At three, John, what's up?

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Speaker 4: Hell?

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Speaker 2: Thanks?

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Speaker 9: So, I got a question about the Giants pick. I

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Speaker 9: have a lot of friends that are Giants fans. I'm

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Speaker 9: actually a Raider fan, but the Giants fans I said

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Speaker 9: they should go for Shador. I think he's like a

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Speaker 9: generational talent, very accurate passer, and he's pretty comparable to

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Speaker 9: some of these guys that you know, like Daniels or

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Speaker 9: Pennis that ended up starting on their team. My critique

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Speaker 9: of you guys was you said you couldn't get an

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Speaker 9: edge rudger, edge rusher in the later rounds my team,

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Speaker 9: who happens to be the Terrible Raiders.

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Speaker 6: I know who you're gonna I know who you're gonna

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Speaker 6: throw out. You're gonna throw at Crosby. Yeah, I know, yeah,

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Speaker 6: I know the scouts. The scouts comment was you don't

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Speaker 6: find them in later rounds. Name one, as John said,

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Speaker 6: I came up with Daniel Hunter myself and then I

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Speaker 6: stopped because it's rare. It's very, very difficult to find

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Speaker 6: a legitimate, bonafide impact pass rusher once you start getting

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Speaker 6: into the fourth fifth.

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Speaker 3: You are right, though, Crosby is he came from a

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Speaker 3: smaller school.

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Speaker 7: He was.

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Speaker 3: He was a guy that had to develop. There was

654
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 3: some off the field stuff with him too, that teams

655
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 3: that questions about, which is one of the reasons that

656
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 3: he dropped a little bit later. But you're right, A

657
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 3: good call. That's a name I did not think of

658
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 3: Paul brought up. It didn't pop out of the top

659
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 3: of my head. Excellent point, John.

660
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 6: If you went far between though, that's for sure.

661
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 3: Shape the call man. Hey, look, John, to your point.

662
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 3: If the giants have done their scouting, and I'll get

663
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 3: it out of the way now, don't use the term generational.

664
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 3: You will have me go on a round. You cannot

665
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 3: have generational talents in the draft every year. By definition

666
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 3: they are not. Then generational generations are ten to fifteen

667
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 3: years long. So I don't care what player you're talking about,

668
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 3: Let's not use the generation.

669
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, he want taking.

670
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,959
Speaker 3: Blue chip, blue chip is fine. I'm hot tier, future

671
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 3: Pro Bowl or future All Pro. That's all fine. Not

672
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 3: use generational, please, But if the Giants believe that one

673
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 3: of the quarterbacks in this draft class such a shoot

674
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 3: or say there's are any of the other guys for

675
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 3: that matter, are that type of blue chip player that's

676
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 3: going to be a guy that's going to be an

677
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 3: All Pro, is going to be a Pro Bowl and

678
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 3: can be in that class of quarterbacks that can get

679
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 3: you deep into the playoffs, they should absolutely pick them

680
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 3: at three. And that should be the pick at three.

681
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 3: And we don't know, maybe they do have a guy

682
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 3: grated that high. We don't know the answer to that question.

683
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 3: When I was talking about Abdul Carter before and Hunter

684
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 3: and cam Ward, we were more referencing the consensus that's

685
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 3: out there. Sure, so that's where we were going with that.

686
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 3: But if the Giants do have that evaluation on one

687
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 3: of these quarterbacks, they should asolutely pick them at three.

688
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 6: Brian Jabole the other day was on a zoom call

689
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 6: with the New York Giants feed reporters in the media,

690
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 6: and they tried to pick and pride him a little

691
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,479
Speaker 6: bit right about what was going on, and they said, well,

692
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 6: what if there's a difference of opinion, And Brian said,

693
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 6: we've got great communication between all the personnel people, between

694
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 6: him and GM Joe Shane ownership, everybody communicates very well

695
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 6: all the time. And that should not be a surprise

696
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 6: because every single day when we see these folks, they

697
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 6: were constantly talking to each other. So what Brian said

698
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 6: was you listen, you rationalize what was said, You come

699
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 6: to an agreement, and you have a consensusp Well, if

700
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 6: you're all in on a player, you take the player.

701
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 6: If you're not all in on a player and the

702
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 6: parties inside the room can't come to a consensus, then

703
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 6: chances are you don't go for the player.

704
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 3: And by the way, you can find pass rushers that

705
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 3: can play in the National Football League later in.

706
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: The DAAR we're talking impact.

707
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 3: We're not even just impact. You were talking Michael Parson's

708
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 3: Von Miller level pass rushers. Those are difficult significant impact. Yes,

709
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 3: so those guys are very difficult to find. Later, look

710
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 3: are their exceptions to the rule, Yes, But the fact

711
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 3: that we've come up with like three in the last

712
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 3: ten years tells you that there aren't a ton of

713
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 3: these guys. And again, they don't become available in free agency.

714
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 3: The only reason the Giants got Brian Burns is because

715
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 3: they had to trade for him. It was money and

716
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 3: the pick. So these guys just don't become available. And again,

717
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 3: if the Giants believe he's that type of player, maybe

718
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 3: they'll pick them. Maybe they won't, maybe they think another

719
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 3: player is great to hire for them. We don't know

720
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 3: what their grading process looks like. So well, if the

721
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 3: wait and see Bruce and Flushing is up next on

722
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 3: the fan, Bruce, what's going on?

723
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 2: Hey, guys? I hope and pray that the Giants picked

724
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 2: Carter for these reasons. Number one, if the medical people

725
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 2: clay him, he brings an impact like a Michaeh Poffins,

726
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 2: it gives a team my identity. Sand is as good

727
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 2: as he is, there are question marks, and especially if

728
00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 2: we're going to reports by Todd McShay, would but Davill

729
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 2: is not high on sand is why would you graft

730
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 2: a kid like Sands when the coach is not high am?

731
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 2: And the follow up question is if if Shane once

732
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,359
Speaker 2: says I'm the general manager I want to quarterback. If

733
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 2: the coach says I don't think he's that good, is

734
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:19,720
Speaker 2: now the tie bracer.

735
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 3: No, Bruce, look, I think good call, and I'm happy

736
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 3: you brought up that report. One, be careful. If there's

737
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 3: one thing I know by Brian Dabele, coming from the

738
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 3: Bill Belichick school of football, he does not generally leak

739
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 3: information to people. So I'm not saying it's not his way.

740
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 3: We at Todd Vick Shaw Onder show, so I love Toddy.

741
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 3: He does a really good job. But reports are reports.

742
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,439
Speaker 3: He's probably he's not getting that verbatim from the source.

743
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 3: And I'd listened to the whole spot. He said he

744
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 3: did not get that directly from Brian Dables, So just

745
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 3: keep that in mind when you hear these reports. But

746
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 3: to your larger point, Joe Shane is not going to

747
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 3: force a quarterback on the head coach who also is

748
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 3: in charge of the offense. Whether he calls plays this

749
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 3: year or not, we'll find out he's not going to

750
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 3: force a quarterback on his offensive.

751
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 2: Mind.

752
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 3: The head coach is that you have to coach this

753
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 3: guy no matter what. That's the Paul's point. Before they're

754
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 3: going to come to a consensus on this, Bruce. So

755
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,760
Speaker 3: to your point, no, Joe Shay might want a quarterback.

756
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 3: If Brian Dables says no, I'm not taking him, they're

757
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 3: going to come together and they're going to come to

758
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,879
Speaker 3: a consensus on a player that everybody wants, and that's

759
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 3: the guy they're going to draft.

760
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 6: I might add to your point about Abdul Carter. If

761
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 6: you're in that frame of mind that you really like him,

762
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 6: do keep this in mind. They can take him and

763
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 6: there's a place for him on this team where he

764
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 6: can play in conjunction with Burns and Tibideau. I've heard

765
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 6: too many people say, well, where are you going to

766
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 6: put him?

767
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: He's an edge rusher.

768
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 6: You have two edge rushers, you have Thhibideaux, and you

769
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 6: have Burns. Not necessarily, that's not the way it's going

770
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 6: to go. If you take that player at three, you

771
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 6: will find a place to get him on the field

772
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 6: for enough snaps so that he can do your football

773
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 6: team a lot of good. And it's my opinion that

774
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 6: because of his versatility quick he played some off ball

775
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 6: lineback or at Penn State, you will be able to

776
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 6: maneuver him around for a number of plays when all

777
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 6: three of those guys will be on the field at

778
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 6: the same time.

779
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:09,839
Speaker 3: Well, I'm gonna keep this simple, Paul, I'm just gonna

780
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 3: do basic mathematics. What percentage of the plays do you

781
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 3: want Thibodau and Burns to play? What's seventy Well, even

782
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 3: if you go seventy five a piece, fine, so that's

783
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,240
Speaker 3: right right off the bat, fifty percent of the snaps

784
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 3: bring for abdual Carter, No, that's right off the bat,

785
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 3: fifty percent, no doubt. Then you get in the pass situation,

786
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 3: you can get all three guys on the field. That'll

787
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 3: pop you up another twenty percent, and that'll get him

788
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 3: up to seventy. So getting time for three pass rushers

789
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 3: on the field at the same time, that's easy. Talking

790
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 3: about a fourth guy then it gets challenging, correct, But

791
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 3: for three guys, that's not a problem.

792
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 6: Can I go one more step further and say your

793
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 6: efficiency might even be beat.

794
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 3: These guys won't be win at.

795
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 6: Again, you can take some of those snaps away.

796
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,240
Speaker 3: Look at how many Look at the percentage of plays

797
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 3: all those Eagles pass rushers play. They rotate them in

798
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 3: and out all the time, so they're fresh at the

799
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:58,320
Speaker 3: end of the game. With jafensive line. I might be

800
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 3: dragging a little bit. Tommy's Tavern, Tap and bud Lighter

801
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 3: offering a draft special for Giants fans all throughout draft

802
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 3: weekend when the Giants are on the clock, fans can

803
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 3: get one dollar bud Light drafts at participating Tommy's Tavern

804
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,760
Speaker 3: and Tap locations in Clifton and Edgewater must be twenty

805
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 3: one and up. Maybe the Giants can stand the clock

806
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 3: a little bit longer if the fans will have a

807
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 3: chance to get in there. There you go, eight oh eight,

808
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 3: one zero one nine. Let's go to Anthony and Bridgewater. Anthony,

809
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 3: what's going on? Man?

810
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 10: Hey, guys, thanks for taking my call, sir.

811
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, listen, I'm so nervous about this draft. I don't

812
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 4: trust Shane at all. He has shown me that I

813
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 4: can't trust him at all for this. Yeah, I haven't

814
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 4: shown He has shown that he can't do anything with quarterbacks.

815
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 4: Let's be quite honest. Last year he blowed super quarterbacks

816
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 4: in the drafts and didn't get it. I think he's

817
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 4: gonna blow it because I think I think Standards is

818
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 4: gonna be an impact quarterback. He's not gonna take him.

819
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 4: I think the one of major reasons he's not taken

820
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 4: him is because he's inna win now mode, because he

821
00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 4: knows if he doesn't win, he's gonna lose his job.

822
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 4: So Carter is the safe pick. I think if he

823
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,840
Speaker 4: had a good year, or if he knew he was

824
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,240
Speaker 4: coming back from more than last next year, he won't

825
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 4: take Carter. So like to me, I think the biggest

826
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 4: fault is Mara. I think these two guys should not

827
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:16,320
Speaker 4: have been back, and I think any one, any sane

828
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 4: guy would be getting a quarterback. The Giants have not

829
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 4: drafted a quarterback well, honestly, get them in. At least

830
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 4: have some guts to try to get Daniel Jones, even

831
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 4: though it's a bad pick. At least he has when

832
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 4: they needed a quarterback. The Giants passed every year out

833
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 4: quarterbacks and they haven't had him on since Eli. It's

834
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 4: insane to me that the Giants have a top pick

835
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 4: in the draft and they're not going to get a quarterback.

836
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 6: Hold on half a second, Hold on, just half a second.

837
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 3: Thank you, Athon, I appreciate it.

838
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 6: I appreciate the frustration.

839
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 3: I get it.

840
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 6: Nobody's happy with how things have gone around here in

841
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 6: the last several years. I totally understand that.

842
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 3: And yes, by the way, they need a quarterback. If

843
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 3: you watch hard knots. Last year, they tried the trade

844
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 3: off and get the quarterback that they thought was good

845
00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:58,800
Speaker 3: enough to pick in that spot.

846
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 6: And that's the point.

847
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:00,760
Speaker 3: Okay.

848
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 6: They re signed a guy who got them to the

849
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 6: playoffs because they understood how valuable it was to have

850
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 6: somebody who did a good job, so they re signed

851
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 6: him and gave him an extension in Daniel Jones. Then

852
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 6: last year they investigated the possibility of moving up because

853
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,479
Speaker 6: they thought there might be another quarterback that they also

854
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 6: really felt very good at.

855
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:22,399
Speaker 3: One or two or three.

856
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 6: Okay, So I think you're misguided. Okay, if you want

857
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 6: to go by the logic that this administration has not

858
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 6: valued the quarterback position correctly and tried to do something

859
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 6: about it now, that would be number one.

860
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 3: And I do want to go back to his point

861
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 3: on the two quarterbacks last year. Michael Pennock's played like

862
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:42,919
Speaker 3: two games at the end of the year. We don't

863
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 3: know if he's good yet, the jury still out. We

864
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 3: know he had talent, but we don't know what he

865
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 3: is yet. And as good of the year as Bonnix

866
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 3: did have his workie, and he had a very good year.

867
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 3: He also had maybe the best or second best offensive

868
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Speaker 3: line in football in front of him, and some pretty

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Speaker 3: good weapons around them, a wide receiver. And you don't

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Speaker 3: judge a quiquarterback on their first year. So I don't

871
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Speaker 3: think we know what those guys are yet to make

872
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 3: the evaluation that the Giants missed on some future star

873
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 3: quarterback last year, we just don't have the answer to

874
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Speaker 3: that question yet.

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Speaker 6: Now, the other point that you made, and really you

876
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Speaker 6: kind of put yourself into quicksand on your own when

877
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Speaker 6: you said they have to take a quarterback at number

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Speaker 6: three and it has to be Sanders, Well, if you

879
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Speaker 6: don't believe in the player, no matter who it is,

880
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Speaker 6: if you don't believe in the player and simply force

881
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Speaker 6: it because he plays a certain position, especially one that's

882
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Speaker 6: as important as the quarterback, then you have basically done

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Speaker 6: yourself a tremendous disservice.

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Speaker 3: Whenever you start your point by saying you have to

885
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Speaker 3: do something.

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Speaker 6: That's not the way front offices were.

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00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 3: That's not the way anything in the NFL works unless

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Speaker 3: you want to fail. And you made the point that

889
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Speaker 3: they would make this decision because they're trying to save

890
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,320
Speaker 3: their jobs. Well, I think the more common argument is

891
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 3: that you try to get the future franchise quarterback. He

892
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 3: looks good in with the team and on the offense,

893
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 3: and that's the best chance. And that's been the argument

894
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 3: other people have made. I don't buy any of this,

895
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 3: to be honest with you, So I think there are

896
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Speaker 3: two ways to argue that. I guess, but Joe Shane

897
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Speaker 3: has said he's not operating like we have to do

898
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Speaker 3: this and this and this and this in order to

899
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Speaker 3: be back next year. He's gonna do the right thing

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Speaker 3: for the long term health of the franchise. That's the

901
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 3: right thing to do. That's how he's operating. That's what

902
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Speaker 3: the Giant's gonna operate. That's how Brian Dabe's gonna operate.

903
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 3: And that's how they're thinking about this. It's not in

904
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 3: some all we got to maximize our wins now and

905
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Speaker 3: sacrifice the future. That's not how they're approaching things.

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Speaker 6: No draft decisions should ever be quote banned a tour,

907
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 6: and it should ever and it should not be about

908
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Speaker 6: this year either. I'm with you, John.

909
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Speaker 3: You draft for the future. You draft for the next

910
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Speaker 3: five years, the next eight years that first weeky contract,

911
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,879
Speaker 3: You're not making decisions about now and today, and that's

912
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Speaker 3: not how Joe Shane's gonna operate in this year's draft either.

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Speaker 3: All right, we have one more hour of Giants Draft

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Speaker 3: Preview Live presented by Tommy's Tavern and tapp coming your way.

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Speaker 3: Our draft expert from Sports Kida, Tony Pauline, will be

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Speaker 3: joining us when we return for our second hour of programming.

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Speaker 3: We'll be right back with more. Thanks for being with us.

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Speaker 5: Well we see you at three declark.

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Speaker 3: We are back with Giants Draft Preview Live, prezenta by

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Speaker 3: Welcome back everybody, John Schmell, Paul Datino with you. Join

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Speaker 3: now by our resident draft expert, my co host on

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Speaker 3: our wildly popular draft season podcast from Sports Kida, Tony Pauline. Tony,

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Speaker 3: how are you man?

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Speaker 1: I'm great. It's great to be here now. I know

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Speaker 1: where you where you do the show from here in

927
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Speaker 1: this little, quaint little studio.

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Speaker 3: Yes we are. We are jammed in here a bit

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Speaker 3: of a tomato can, but we are rocking and rolling here.

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Speaker 3: So Tony, you have your ear to the payment you've

931
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Speaker 3: been talking to people around the league about what's going

932
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Speaker 3: on in the draft process. What are the top storylines

933
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Speaker 3: you're tracking a night before the draft.

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Speaker 1: Well, obviously the first one is Shador Sanders. Where does

935
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Speaker 1: he end up? I mean, I think we've all overrated

936
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: Shador Sanders in large park because who his dad is.

937
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Speaker 1: I mean, Shador Sanders is a nice prospect, He's not

938
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Speaker 1: a great quarterback prospect. Everyone thought, you know, in January,

939
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Speaker 1: maybe he's a top five pick, maybe three to the Giants.

940
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Speaker 1: But as we learned at the Shrine Bowl when you

941
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Speaker 1: and I were there, all of a sudden, cam Ward's

942
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: the top player in the draft. And then as I

943
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Speaker 1: learned at the Combine, Shadoor Sanders is falling. So Shador

944
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Speaker 1: Sanders really probably was, it was overrated, and now looks

945
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Speaker 1: like he's gonna go or for what I'm hearing, could

946
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Speaker 1: go to Pittsburgh at twenty one. Tyler Warren, the tight

947
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 1: end from Penn State, you know, a nice prospect, but

948
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Speaker 1: not a game breaking Rock Towers type of guy. Yet

949
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Speaker 1: he could go top ten, Jets at seven, Saints at nine,

950
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 1: you know, the the Chicago Bears at ten. And then

951
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Speaker 1: there's Shimer Stewart I mean, the Olympic type athlete just

952
00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 1: blew the doors open at the combine. But it's got

953
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 1: one and a half sacks last season, four and a

954
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:04,320
Speaker 1: half sacks his career Texas.

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Speaker 3: A and M has to be one and a half

956
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:05,839
Speaker 3: sacks every year.

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Speaker 1: I mean, basically, he's a better athlete than he is

958
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: a football player. Where does a guy like that go?

959
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: And then of course there's always you know, the injured players,

960
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 1: guys that have red flags. I'm hearing some not so

961
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 1: good things about Jihad Campbell and his shoulders. We'll see

962
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Speaker 1: what happens. I mean, if Johad Campbell starts to fall

963
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Speaker 1: into the twenties, you know that the concerns that's being

964
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Speaker 1: spread around about his injury is true. And Will Johnson

965
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Speaker 1: as well. I mean Will Johnson was a guy we thought,

966
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Speaker 1: we talked about early on, could be a top ten player,

967
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: the cornerback for Michigan. I didn't play all that well,

968
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Speaker 1: had some injuries. There's some more injury concerns. If Will

969
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Speaker 1: Johnson starts to fall into the twenties, we know that

970
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Speaker 1: those injury concerns are legitimate.

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Speaker 3: And just to be clear, you have shoud Or Saners

972
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 3: as a first round player on your board. You like

973
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Speaker 3: him as a player, so I don't want the fans

974
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Speaker 3: to come after you be like, well, totally hate jud

975
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 3: or standers. He doesn't. He has them as a first

976
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Speaker 3: round player, and coming in.

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Speaker 1: The season he was my number one quarterback. But when

978
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Speaker 1: I watched the film, he just didn't improve and progress

979
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Speaker 1: the way I thought he should have.

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Speaker 6: Tony. Before we get to some specific players, I want

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Speaker 6: to ask you a general question as we approach the draft,

982
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Speaker 6: it's now just about twenty four hours away. Is there

983
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 6: anything that has done a complete one point eighty where,

984
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Speaker 6: oh my goodness, out of nowhere. As we're getting closer

985
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:21,240
Speaker 6: and closer and closer.

986
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Speaker 3: I remember when Baker Mayfield wound up suddenly coming out

987
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Speaker 3: of the blue to become the Cleveland Brown's top draft choice.

988
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 3: Is there anything that's really shocking you at this point

989
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:32,320
Speaker 3: late in the game.

990
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: I don't think anything like that is going to impact

991
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Speaker 1: the top ten. I mean, it's kind of shocking to

992
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 1: me to see armand Membos rise, you know, really from

993
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 1: mid to lay first round into the top six, into

994
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 1: the top seven. Matthew Golden, I don't think that any

995
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 1: of us thought in December he could be the first

996
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 1: receiver selected in the draft, and it looks like that

997
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: may happen, but I don't see. You know, there's nothing

998
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 1: that I jet that's gonna happen in the top ten

999
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 1: that's really gonna blow anybody away.

1000
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Speaker 3: All Right. Who are some of the guys that might

1001
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,280
Speaker 3: be rising in this draft class that maybe a microL

1002
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 3: top ten, but a few months ago people were not

1003
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Speaker 3: talking about them as top ten.

1004
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Speaker 1: I just mentioned one. Arman Nembo, the offensive right tackle

1005
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 1: from Missouri. He's a three year starter. He is a big,

1006
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 1: nasty lineman. Some people thought guard. He goes to the

1007
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,720
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, arms of thirty four and a half inches,

1008
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: six foot four. Okay, he's got the tackle measurables. You

1009
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 1: watch the film, had a great combine, and I know

1010
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 1: the combine is shorts and a T shirt, but you're

1011
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 1: looking at a three hundred and twenty pound athlete on

1012
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: the film three and thirty pounds, moves like a sprinter.

1013
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,760
Speaker 1: So he's a guy could go forward to New England,

1014
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 1: could go six to the Raiders. I think if he's

1015
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: there at seven, the Jets jump all over them. Matthew Golden,

1016
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Speaker 1: who I also mentioned, speed, excellent route running skills really

1017
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: looks like the whole package of Marion Hampton. You know,

1018
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,879
Speaker 1: we thought the number two back, maybe an early second

1019
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,919
Speaker 1: round pick. He could go to Washington. He goes early

1020
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 1: as the Denver Broncos, the number twenty twenty selection. I

1021
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,399
Speaker 1: don't think that we thought about this. You know, four

1022
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: months ago, Josh Connelly right now was the hot name.

1023
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 1: Josh Connelly, the offensive lineman from Oregon, can play tackle

1024
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: or guard. He's the guy that everyone thought early second round,

1025
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 1: late first rounds. Probably gonna go somewhere in the middle

1026
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,919
Speaker 1: of round round one, and then some later round guys.

1027
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Speaker 1: Carson Sweessinger, the linebacker off ball linebacker from UCLA, could

1028
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: slide the late part of round one. Josh Farmer, Florida

1029
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 1: State is getting a lot of play. Noel Williams, the

1030
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: cornerback from Cal had a lot of ball production, really

1031
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: elevated his game, ran faster than people thought, was a

1032
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:36,919
Speaker 1: better athlete than people thought.

1033
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 3: He was fun to watch it the Shrine Bowl and

1034
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 3: we were down there together. Transferred to Cal. You're thinking

1035
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 3: late round pick. No Williams probably gonna land in day two.

1036
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:45,839
Speaker 3: He's about six to three, is a big, tall, long

1037
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 3: guy too.

1038
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 1: He had a lot of ball production. It's not an

1039
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 1: opportunistic guy.

1040
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 6: All right, let's flip it around. Who were the guys

1041
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 6: who seemed to be sliding according to the scuttle butt

1042
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:55,359
Speaker 6: around the league.

1043
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 3: You already mentioned Shad or so why don't we move

1044
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 3: past them?

1045
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:00,359
Speaker 1: Luther Burden, the receiver from Missouri. I mean, come into

1046
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 1: the season, Luther Burden was greted as the number one

1047
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 1: prospect by NFL scouts, not the number one receiver, the

1048
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: number one prospect. If the draft was held in September

1049
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty four, Luthor Burden's one of the first

1050
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: players selected. I doubt he goes in the first round, though,

1051
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 1: you're looking early second round. As of Ray Thomas, the big,

1052
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 1: tall cornerback from Florida State, played well at the Senior Bowl.

1053
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,760
Speaker 1: We saw him runs a four to five eight during

1054
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 1: Pro Day, so you know, he doesn't have that speed.

1055
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,399
Speaker 1: You know, a guy like that probably doesn't go top

1056
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:32,800
Speaker 1: forty five. And then Cameron Williams, the big offensive tackle

1057
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 1: from Texas. Early on in the season, he looked like

1058
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: a potential first round pick. He got hurt, he played poorly.

1059
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: You know, he's three, he's massive, six eight three hundred

1060
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 1: and twenty pounds. You know, maybe he goes second round,

1061
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Speaker 1: maybe he goes third round. There's some people think that

1062
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 1: he's gonna fall out of the top one hundred that

1063
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 1: are spoken with.

1064
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Speaker 3: All Right, I want to touch a couple of topics here.

1065
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Speaker 3: The consensus seems to be that it's cam Ward one,

1066
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,359
Speaker 3: Travis Hunter two. If you learned anything in the last

1067
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 3: day or so we recorded draft season yesterday, that might

1068
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Speaker 3: change your mind in that respect.

1069
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Speaker 6: No.

1070
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Speaker 1: I mean, there was some talk about Cleveland maybe going

1071
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 1: with ab little quarter number three, but I think they're

1072
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: pretty set on Travis Hunters.

1073
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 3: Okay, now I want to focus it on the Giants.

1074
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 3: We've talked about them at number three, the possibility of

1075
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 3: Abdul quarter, but again, they could have someone else great

1076
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 3: at high They could go in a different direction there,

1077
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 3: maybe a quarterback you just released. What as long as

1078
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Speaker 3: there's no trades in Tony I saw him doing some

1079
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 3: hal Mary's out there to make sure there are no

1080
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Speaker 3: trades in the next twenty four hours. Is those are

1081
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:28,839
Speaker 3: no trades? That's your final three round MOK, which people

1082
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 3: can find over at sports Keita. What do you have

1083
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 3: the Giants doing at pick thirty four Daniel Jeremiah And

1084
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 3: the reason I asked this he just released his final

1085
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,240
Speaker 3: mock draft and in his he is the Giants trading

1086
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 3: up to eighteen to select Jackson Dart ahead of Shador Sanders,

1087
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 3: who still goes to the Steelers at twenty one?

1088
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 6: Did he have a price on that?

1089
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 3: All I have is a graphic from the social media,

1090
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 3: so I do not have the info on that, Tony.

1091
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 3: What are you hearing about what the Giants might do

1092
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:52,879
Speaker 3: a pick thirty four?

1093
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:56,359
Speaker 1: What I'm hearing, what I've heard through the process is

1094
00:49:56,400 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 1: maybe Tyler Shock yeh, the quarterback from Louisville, started his

1095
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 1: career at Oregon, was great as a redshirt freshman, basically

1096
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 1: had four non existent years at Texas Tech, where he

1097
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 1: didn't play well. He had injury, had a great year

1098
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 1: at Louisville, turned on some people at the senior ball,

1099
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,720
Speaker 1: was good at the combine. A lot of people great size,

1100
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 1: six four and a half forty pounds can make all

1101
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 1: the throws. A lot of people think that after cam Ward,

1102
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:25,879
Speaker 1: he's the most NFL ready quarterback. But there's a lot

1103
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,879
Speaker 1: missing there, which is a concern to me. Which Tyler Schuck,

1104
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: are you getting the Tyler shuck from twenty twenty four

1105
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 1: or the Tyler shuck from twenty twenty one to twenty

1106
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:38,800
Speaker 1: twenty three. In my mock draft, I had the Giants

1107
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: taking Donovan Jackson, the offensive lineman from Ohio State, in

1108
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 1: the second round. I really wanted to put a quarterback there,

1109
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 1: but I said, you know, Giants have had issues with

1110
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 1: their offensive line. You built from the lines of scrimmage.

1111
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 1: Donovan Jackson was projected as the first round pick in

1112
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, played poorly, returned in twenty twenty four,

1113
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 1: had an outstanding season, first at guard and and then

1114
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 1: at left tackle when they had to kick him out

1115
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 1: because the injury is there. So you know, he is

1116
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 1: a guard, but he's a player that's on the rise.

1117
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 1: He is a polished offensive lineman that I think if

1118
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: the Giants take him in the second round, he's a

1119
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 1: Week one starter and he's gonna improve that offensive line

1120
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 1: right off the back.

1121
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 6: Let me ask you about another quarterback who's been attached

1122
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 6: to the Giants, and a lot of the news reports

1123
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 6: Jackson Dart has been gaining a lot more momentum in

1124
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 6: recent weeks than he had some time ago. What are

1125
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 6: you hearing about him, and why do you suppose the

1126
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:31,359
Speaker 6: momentum has picked up.

1127
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: Well, I've heard exactly what you said. In fact, a

1128
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: couple hours before we did the show, I heard exactly that.

1129
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:39,359
Speaker 1: I heard him attach to the Giants. That's the guy

1130
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 1: that the Giants like now. Jackson Dart was always a

1131
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 1: very good quarterback. I don't have him projected as a

1132
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 1: first round prospect, but as we know, quarterbacks are always overdrafted.

1133
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 1: He's got good size, He's an accurate quarterback. You know,

1134
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 1: I'm concerned. I know some people aren't coming out of

1135
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,839
Speaker 1: that Mississippi system, which rarely uses the tight end. When

1136
00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 1: you watch him on film, he makes good decisions, but

1137
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 1: at times he's slow moving his head from the primary target,

1138
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 1: which is worthsome to me. I mean, I like Jackson Dart,

1139
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 1: but if you're drafting him, it's to be your starter

1140
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:15,799
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty six, maybe the end of twenty twenty

1141
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 1: five if things don't go well.

1142
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 3: Which by the way, the Giants aren't set up for

1143
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:19,840
Speaker 3: that with Russell Wilson to the building, but have.

1144
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 1: Time exactly, But you know, do they want to get

1145
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 1: players on the field week one that are gonna help

1146
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 1: them or are they willing to wait, you know, to

1147
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:30,760
Speaker 1: draft the Jackson dart plus you know, moving up to eighteen,

1148
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to give away a good amount of

1149
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:37,839
Speaker 1: draft capital, potentially a number one pick in twenty twenty six.

1150
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 3: Oh you think it's that much.

1151
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:41,839
Speaker 1: It's a half a round that you're moving up, right, Yeah,

1152
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 1: a half round, Dad is So you know, do you

1153
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 1: want to give away all that draft capital and you

1154
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: know you don't know what the situation is gonna be

1155
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty six. That's a lot for me.

1156
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 6: Let me ask you this your head, Let me just so.

1157
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 1: Let me else says it's eighteen to Seattle.

1158
00:52:58,840 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1159
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 1: I don't think Seattle wants a trade out of the

1160
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:03,760
Speaker 1: first round. They want to move down and take grays

1161
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 1: Abel later on. But if they move out of the

1162
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 1: first round, they're not getting Grays.

1163
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:08,439
Speaker 3: They could get Donovan Jackson.

1164
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:11,319
Speaker 1: They could I think they had the hearts.

1165
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 6: Do you have a sleeper quarterback who may not be

1166
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 6: first or second round, but another guy third or.

1167
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 3: Fourth round who may be able to do the trick?

1168
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I think Kyle McCord of Syracuse has all

1169
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:31,240
Speaker 1: the physical skills, but he needs a lot of coaching.

1170
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:33,839
Speaker 1: I mean I followed him during when he took over

1171
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: for CJ. Strat at Ohio State. Then he moves to Syracuse.

1172
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 1: His problem at Ohio State was he never took his

1173
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 1: head off the primary target. He would lock onto the

1174
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 1: target and throw the ball. He did a better job

1175
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 1: of it this year at Syracuse. He he was the

1176
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:48,879
Speaker 1: best deep ball thrower at the combine. He was throwing

1177
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 1: the prettiest passes down the field. Now he's headed in

1178
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 1: the right direction. I love his resiliency, not only the

1179
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 1: way he rebounded Syracuse this year, but even at Syracuse

1180
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 1: in the middle of the year he had a five

1181
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:02,840
Speaker 1: interception games against Pittsburgh did and then they won the

1182
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 1: rest of the games the remainder of the season. I

1183
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 1: talked to him at length at the shrine ball when

1184
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 1: we were there, and I asked him about, you know,

1185
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 1: what was it like sitting there and watching your old school,

1186
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,879
Speaker 1: Ohio State win the national championship. And he was very

1187
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 1: honest with me. We talked about sometimes how Ohio State

1188
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 1: was over coached. They put the handcuffs on him, but

1189
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 1: when they let him and they let the team play,

1190
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:25,879
Speaker 1: the team would win. I like him, but he's going

1191
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 1: to need a real good quarterback coach.

1192
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 3: And who'd you have the Giants and the mock draft

1193
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 3: in your around three selections? Tony Joshua Farmer of Florida State,

1194
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:39,360
Speaker 3: a guy who showed flashes throughout his career, decided to

1195
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:42,400
Speaker 3: enter the draft. Was dominant at the senior ball against

1196
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 3: some good offensive lineman. He's a relatively good athlete. I

1197
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 3: think he would be a real good fit in the

1198
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 3: Giants system, you know, in sort of that.

1199
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: Three man line. He's strong, he's athletic, he can hold

1200
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 1: the point, and he calls to make plays.

1201
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:58,839
Speaker 3: And then who's your and who's your second one? After

1202
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 3: Joshua Farmer? You have two third round picks Giants.

1203
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:07,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, well sorry, I'll tell you. I think it was.

1204
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:08,839
Speaker 1: Was it a safety? What number pick?

1205
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 2: Was it?

1206
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 3: Ninety nine?

1207
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 1: Ninety nine? I had them taking Darian Porter.

1208
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:14,799
Speaker 3: Oh.

1209
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:18,800
Speaker 1: I like Iowa State now, uh, sort of like Colin

1210
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 1: McCord in the sense that he's a great athlete. He's

1211
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 1: got great size, he has tremendous upside, but he's going

1212
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:28,439
Speaker 1: to need uh time to develop his game. I think

1213
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 1: he's a bigger corner the Giants like what was he

1214
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:32,439
Speaker 1: six six three two.

1215
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 3: Pounds testing at the combat was immaculate, a four to three.

1216
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:35,800
Speaker 1: At the combine.

1217
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 3: And I'm a wide receiver too, and also his the

1218
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:39,280
Speaker 3: jilty numbers and jumps were great too.

1219
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:42,400
Speaker 1: Showed flashes, but is far from the polished product. You know,

1220
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 1: he's a guy that's gonna do That's why he's a

1221
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:44,879
Speaker 1: third round pick.

1222
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,839
Speaker 3: Correct. All right, it's time for Tony Pauline's Top ten

1223
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:52,240
Speaker 3: prospects on the Board, sponsored by Slowman's. The difference is human, Tony,

1224
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 3: give us your top ten in your twenty twenty five grades.

1225
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 1: Hands down. Obdual Carter, no doubt about it. You know,

1226
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,080
Speaker 1: paul and I go back and you go in the

1227
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 1: eighties and in the nineties, there was a time before

1228
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 1: the league became quarterback crazy. Everybody wanted that impact defensive player.

1229
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 1: That's what Abdual quarter is. Travis Hunter, who I've always,

1230
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 1: as you know, had rated as a receiver and maybe

1231
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:14,359
Speaker 1: he's a two way player. I think the Browns draft

1232
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 1: him as a receiver, maybe use him to die packages.

1233
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 1: Ashton Genty, who is one of the cleanest, safest players

1234
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 1: in the draft, doesn't have great size, as good sized,

1235
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 1: incredible instincts, incredible vision, can run, can pound it out

1236
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:30,919
Speaker 1: on the inside, can turn the corner tackle a real

1237
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 1: good pass catcher out of the backfield. Jalen Walker is

1238
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 1: my number four out of Georgia. A little bit on

1239
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:39,439
Speaker 1: the sides that six foot one doesn't have that great

1240
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:42,800
Speaker 1: growth potential, But like Abdull, Carter can rush the passer

1241
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 1: and can also play off the ball in space. I mean,

1242
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 1: I've seen him twenty twenty five yards downfield in pursuit.

1243
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 1: Then I have Will Campbell and Armah Membo, neck and neck.

1244
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 1: Will Campbell to tackle out of LSU, Arma Membo to

1245
00:56:56,760 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 1: tackle out of Missouri. Campbell is more than your pure

1246
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 1: left tackle. And I always give the nod to left tackles.

1247
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:06,840
Speaker 1: I'm a left tackle guy. You have a quarterback, you

1248
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 1: better be able to protect them.

1249
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:09,880
Speaker 6: Tony, you would not shift him to guard.

1250
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:13,319
Speaker 1: No, no, no, unless you can't play tackle, you know.

1251
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:15,919
Speaker 1: And here's the thing is they and I mentioned this

1252
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 1: on Twitter, they had his arm length at thirty two

1253
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 1: and five ace inches and the combine, but the combine

1254
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 1: arm lengths were shorter for everybody.

1255
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:24,920
Speaker 3: They short at everybody. Okay.

1256
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 1: Warma Membo was thirty fourth the Senior Bowl, thirty two,

1257
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 1: thirty three and a half at the combine. Will Campbell

1258
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 1: was thirty thirty two and five as at the combine

1259
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 1: thirty three even at his pro day. And if you

1260
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 1: go back at guys who were measured the combine and

1261
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 1: then measured the shrine the senior even at pro day,

1262
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 1: those numbers on their arm length was anywhere from an

1263
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 1: eighth of an inch to five as in.

1264
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 3: Slo And just to know, these weren't LSU people measuring

1265
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 3: his arms at the pro day. It is an NFL

1266
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 3: scout measuring in his arms of the protect So exactly

1267
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 3: someone had a bad tape measure at Indianapolis. Someone to

1268
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 3: check on that.

1269
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 1: I think Arman member has incredible upside. I love his game.

1270
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 1: I know the Jets have talked with him through the

1271
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 1: week to basically check some boxes with him. Then Mason

1272
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 1: Graham of Michigan doesn't have great upside, but he's very polished,

1273
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 1: you know, like Ashton Genty, he doesn't have a he

1274
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 1: doesn't have much downside. You know what you're getting with him.

1275
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 1: Mckel Williams the defensive and from Georgia. Kelvin Banks the

1276
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 1: offensive lineman from Texas who can play left tackle, can

1277
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 1: play guard. I think he could go a little bit

1278
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 1: earlier than people think. And then finally, number ten, cam

1279
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 1: Ward the quarterback from Miami, Florida, who is going to

1280
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 1: be the first pick of the draft tomorrow night.

1281
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 3: Those are Tony paul Lean's Top ten prospects, sponsored by

1282
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:44,439
Speaker 3: Sloman's Color Visit Sloman's dot com to schedule a free

1283
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 3: estimate on a new central air conditioning system Slowman's. The

1284
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 3: difference is human and just for fun. T mac Teterol McMillan,

1285
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 3: Will Johnson the quarterback out of Michigan, Matthew Golden wide receiver, Texas,

1286
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 3: Walter Nolan defensive tackle, Ole Miss Colston Lovelan titled Michigan

1287
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 3: and Manwarie the safety out of South Carolina, Tyler Warren

1288
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 3: tight end Penn State, James Pierce junior outside linebacker, Tennessee,

1289
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 3: Kenneth Grant defensive tackle, Michigan, Shure Standards quarterback, Colorado. The

1290
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 3: rest of Tony's first round grades on his big board.

1291
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 3: All right, let's take a time out right here on

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Speaker 3: Giants Draft Preview Live presented by Tommy's Tavern and Tap.

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Speaker 3: We'll come back. Tony sticks with us and we will

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Speaker 3: take your calls. At eight eight eight eight o eight

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Speaker 3: one zero one nine when will return Right after this,

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Speaker 3: we're back on Giants Draft Review Live, presented by Tommy's

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Speaker 3: taverna tap right here on the fan. We'll open up

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Speaker 3: the phones again at eight eight eight eight oh eight

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Speaker 3: one zero one nine eight eight eight eight oh eight

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Speaker 3: one zero one nine point you to quickly for Tony

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Speaker 3: before we got to the call.

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Speaker 6: Well as you're the first hour, Tony, John and I

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Speaker 6: discussed the potential needs for the Giants going into the

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Speaker 6: draft by position. We talked about defensive line, we talked

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Speaker 6: about offensive line, running back. It possible even corner at

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Speaker 6: each of those positions. In your opinion, how deep can

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Speaker 6: they go into the rounds to find guys who could

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Speaker 6: really help them out a.

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Speaker 1: Lot of questions at cornerback, So you're gonna have to

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Speaker 1: get a cornerback no later than day two. It's the

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Speaker 1: exact opposite with running back. I mean, you could probably

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Speaker 1: wait until the fourth, fifth round and you get a

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Speaker 1: good running back. It's just a type of running back

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Speaker 1: you want. Do you want the downhill between the tackles,

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Speaker 1: pounder or do you want the guy that turns around,

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Speaker 1: turns a corner. That's me. I like the interior offensive

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Speaker 1: line class, so I think you can go third, fourth round,

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Speaker 1: and even the fifth round of what we've talked about

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Speaker 1: John and I on our show is you know, you

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Speaker 1: got a lot of college tackles who project to guard,

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Speaker 1: So if you're looking for an interior offensive line, you

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Speaker 1: could probably wait until day three. Same thing with defensive tackle, no.

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Speaker 3: Question about it. All right, let's get to the calls

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Speaker 3: and say what's up to Pat and Suffern? Pat? What's

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Speaker 3: going on? Then?

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Speaker 7: Hey, how's it going, guys? We're good, great show. Hey.

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Speaker 7: I also just want to give a little shout out

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Speaker 7: Connor doing a great job.

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Speaker 3: Connor is the man. We love Connor.

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Speaker 7: I just one thing that really baffles me. And I

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Speaker 7: was listening to you guys before, and you're talking about,

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Speaker 7: like who really dropped from last year? Quinn yours, and

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Speaker 7: I just want to I just want to make a

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Speaker 7: case for him. I give me technically lead out Archie Manning,

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Speaker 7: who lets everybody in the league he's talking about, is

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Speaker 7: there some way they could create overer picks the year

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Speaker 7: he comes in and I mean I saw him, I've

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Speaker 7: seen him make some great throws. He's like, I get

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Speaker 7: to go what second round?

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Speaker 3: Tony. I know you were a big quin Yours guy

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Speaker 3: heading to this year. I'm actually a quin Yours fan too.

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Speaker 3: I think you can get a chance to be a

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Speaker 3: good player. What do you think I have.

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Speaker 1: Him going late second round. Now, let's let's break that

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Speaker 1: down a little bit. I think Quinn Yours is a

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Speaker 1: guy that was overrated at certain points. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: think you's on this radio station talking to Giants tank

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Speaker 1: and take quin you weres in the top ten picks.

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Speaker 1: He was never that type of quarterback. Scouts consistently saw

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Speaker 1: him as a third round prospect. I think he is

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Speaker 1: a late second early third round prospect. I agree with

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Speaker 1: the call. I think he's being undervalued now like he

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Speaker 1: was overvalued in October when people were saying you're the

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Speaker 1: top ten pick. Now he seems to be the forgotten guy.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's a good vertical passer. He needs some

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Speaker 1: work on his footwork, which will only improve his downfield accuracy.

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Speaker 1: He's a good underneath the pass as well. He's done

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Speaker 1: a lot of winning on the college level. I mean,

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Speaker 1: what that Texas team to back to back semifinal games

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Speaker 1: in the college football playoffs. I think he's undervalued. I

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Speaker 1: have him as a late second rounder. I think the

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Speaker 1: worst third round. If he happens to land in day

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Speaker 1: Day three, I mean, it's an absolute steal. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's go to CJ and Brooklyn. He's up next, CJ.

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Speaker 10: Hey, guys, how's the going good man?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, So I think, honestly, there's only four quarterbacks going

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Speaker 10: in the first round this year. I think everybody's falling

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Speaker 10: for the old smoking mirrors, devaluing a quarterbacks in the

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Speaker 10: process leading up to the draft. But you know whatever,

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Speaker 10: even come draft day, teams all of a sudden get

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Speaker 10: nervous and they just start reaching and jumping for quarterbacks.

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Speaker 10: And you saw it last year. The first three guys

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Speaker 10: went off the board right in the first four picks

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Speaker 10: or so, and then right after the Giants picked their guy,

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Speaker 10: then the next guy goes and before you know, there's

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Speaker 10: only two guys left and you're not even out of

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Speaker 10: the top fifteen picks. So this is gonna happen again

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Speaker 10: in a certain way. I think it's gonna be cam Ward.

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Speaker 10: He's gonna go first, obviously. Then you're gonna have a

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Speaker 10: team that you know, here's whispers and if it's not

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Speaker 10: New Orleans, the second pick, you know, or second quarterback

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Speaker 10: taking at nine. I think if somebody's gonna trade up,

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Speaker 10: and before you know it, the Steelers are twenty one,

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Speaker 10: will probably have to trade up because there's no way

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Speaker 10: they can sit back for like ten more picks to

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Speaker 10: wait for a quarterback and the top three quarterbacks to

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Speaker 10: drop to them. I just think every everybody's falls words.

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Speaker 10: Every year, these quarterbacks get overvalued just because of the

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Speaker 10: need and supply and demand obviously, and it just happens

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Speaker 10: every year. I'm just gonna sit back and wait. But

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Speaker 10: i think four quarterbacks are going this year. What do

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Speaker 10: you think, CJ.

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Speaker 3: I didn't realize I emailed you my rundown because you

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Speaker 3: just segued perfectly into our next segment. It's now time

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Speaker 3: for our round table discussion sponsored by Slowman's. Thanks for

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Speaker 3: the call, CJ. The difference is human. My first factor

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Speaker 3: fiction question was there will be at least three quarterbacks

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Speaker 3: taken in the first rout of the draft, So Tony,

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna give these to you, Factor fiction. There will

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Speaker 3: be at least three quarterbacks taken in the first round

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Speaker 3: of the draft.

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Speaker 2: CJ.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for co hosting and producer me I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Man, I'm gonna say a maximum of three. I disagree

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Speaker 1: with the caller about four. You can't compare this year

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Speaker 1: to last year because last year you had some really

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Speaker 1: good special quarterbacks at the top of the draft. I

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Speaker 1: think it's gonna be three with Ward with Sanders, and

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Speaker 1: then a team that trades back into the end of

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Speaker 1: round one to maybe take a Jackson Dart. I don't

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Speaker 1: think it's gonna be Jalen Milroe. I think if there's

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Speaker 1: a fourth quarterback, it could be a Tyler. Shocked, but

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna stick with three.

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Speaker 3: Who are the teams that you think, besides the Giants

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Speaker 3: we talked about them earlier, that you think could trade

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Speaker 3: back into the end of the first round.

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Speaker 1: Browns have a history of that and they need a

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Speaker 1: quarterback for the future. Would the Raiders trade back into

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Speaker 1: the end of the first round to pick up a quarterback?

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Speaker 1: I know they got Geno Smith there, but they need

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Speaker 1: a player for the future. You know the Saints as well.

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Speaker 1: Couldn't they trade I'd be shocked if they take a

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Speaker 1: quarterback at not I'd be really shocked.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 1: Could they make a move back up? But again, how

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Speaker 1: much draft capital you talk about the Giants moving eighteen.

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Speaker 1: How much draft capital do you want to give away

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Speaker 1: to move up to get one of these guys?

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Speaker 3: All right, let's go to statement number two, and I

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Speaker 3: think I would go fact on that as well. I

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Speaker 3: think there will be I think there will be three exactly,

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Speaker 3: So will I okay? Statement number two? They will be

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Speaker 3: more edge players taken in the first round than any

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Speaker 3: other position, tony fact or fiction fact?

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Speaker 1: I have seven edge rushers. Wow, the next would be

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Speaker 1: six offensive linemen. Offensive lineman, not tackles, guards, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: Together because the Calvin Banks and the Josh Connor Leeves

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Speaker 1: or even Gray's Abels are tackles that project to guard.

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Speaker 1: So six offensive line but seven edge rushers pass rushers?

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Speaker 1: Who are you?

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Speaker 3: Edge rushers?

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Speaker 2: Can?

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Speaker 11: Do?

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Speaker 3: You have the seven handy? Who you have going in

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Speaker 3: the first round at cariocity?

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Speaker 1: Abdul Parter, yep, Jalen Walker if you want to, if

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Speaker 1: you want to consider him, he's in the great edge rusher,

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Speaker 1: He's in the group. Michel Michel Williams out of Georgia.

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Speaker 1: I think James Pearce is going first round. I think

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Speaker 1: Michael Green is going first round. I think both of

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Speaker 1: the Texas A and M kids, Shamar Stewart and Nick

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Speaker 1: Scalerton are gonna go in the first round. Scourton I

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Speaker 1: think slides into the late part. Those last two picks,

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Speaker 1: either Kansas City or Philadelphia.

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Speaker 3: And they're just surprising for me. And there could be

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Speaker 3: an eighth in Donovan Azaraku. I know some people have

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Speaker 3: him in there, some people don't, but I think that

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Speaker 3: could be the eighth if you get to that number.

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Speaker 1: If it's up to you, he's going in the first round.

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Speaker 6: I know.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure, Hey, what, don't put that on me. I'm

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Speaker 3: just going by what people out there are saying. Okay,

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Speaker 3: on that BC guy for a while, how many sacks

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Speaker 3: did you have last year? He had a sixteen and

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Speaker 3: a half. That's pretty good. I agree, And I'm also

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Speaker 3: sucker tube as I talked to him at the Senior

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Speaker 3: Bowl for about eight minutes. That guy's gonna be like

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Speaker 3: running some financial company on Wall Street in twenty years.

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Speaker 2: He is.

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Speaker 3: He might be justin talk like he's that smart of

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Speaker 3: a guy, Like he's really really well put together. All right,

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Speaker 3: statement number three, by the way, I'll be backed on that, Okay,

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna go back on that as I figured you were. Yep,

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Speaker 3: running back is the best position in the draft top

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Speaker 3: to bottom. Tony factor fiction.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, I mean like we said, I mean it's strong

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Speaker 1: at the top with Ashton Genty. You got good great back,

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Speaker 1: good backs or at least starters on day two. You

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Speaker 1: look at day three, I mean la Quin Allen of Syracuse,

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Speaker 1: Jarquez Hunter of Auburn, Vershort Smith one of your favorites

1482
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Speaker 1: from SMU love. These guys are all potential productive rotational backs.

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Speaker 1: Later on, Phil MafA, you want a short yardage back,

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Speaker 1: you want a gold lineback. Phil MafA of Clemson. Raheem Sanders.

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Speaker 1: You're talking late or second part of day three. Another

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Speaker 1: short yardage goal line back. Kyle Menagy from right down

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Speaker 1: the road here Rutgers, one of my favorite guys. Guy

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Speaker 1: who's been a tremendous ball carry at Rutgers. Not a

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Speaker 1: great tester, but a real good running back. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: count to you, Tony uh oh. Here's what I'm gonna say.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna take John's question and define it as guys

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Speaker 1: who will make fifty three man rosters. I think the

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Speaker 1: defensive line is going to have more naked players in

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Speaker 1: the NFL. We're not talking stars, not talking stats, but

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Speaker 1: more guys who make rosters than the running backs will well.

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Speaker 1: Number one, you have four off four defensive.

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Speaker 6: Line absolutely one or two runnings, which helps the odds.

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Speaker 1: And the thing is this is defensive line is a

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Speaker 1: priority position on draft day, whether it be defensive tackle

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Speaker 1: or whether it be edge rushers. So historically you're gonna

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Speaker 1: have a lot more defensive line and selected over the

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Speaker 1: course of the seven rounds than the running backs, which

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Speaker 1: would you know, I could understand it, but here's a good.

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01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:55,080
Speaker 1: It's a good. I like the position.

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01:08:55,320 --> 01:08:57,719
Speaker 3: I could see as many as twelve to thirteen running

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01:08:57,720 --> 01:09:01,280
Speaker 3: backs from this group, not full time twenty carrier, game starter,

1507
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:05,040
Speaker 3: but being part of a committee in a starting backfield.

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01:09:05,320 --> 01:09:06,960
Speaker 3: Tony mentioned a bunch of them. I'll just go through

1509
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:10,919
Speaker 3: my list, Ashton Genty, o'marion Hampton, Caleb Johnson, Quin Shawn Jenkins,

1510
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:13,840
Speaker 3: Cam Scatibo, Traveon Henderson. A lot of people think might

1511
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:15,320
Speaker 3: end up sticking into the back of the first round.

1512
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:18,200
Speaker 3: That's the latest news that's out there on him. Dylan Samson.

1513
01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:20,960
Speaker 3: I love him at a Tennessee. Damian Martinez, Tony's guy

1514
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:22,320
Speaker 3: out of Miami. Paul likes him too.

1515
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:22,960
Speaker 6: R J.

1516
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:25,960
Speaker 3: Harvey my guy out of UCF who's just super fast

1517
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:28,439
Speaker 3: and quick, big play waiting to happen. Devin Neil out

1518
01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:31,200
Speaker 3: of Kansas, who's you know, he's not gonna value watching nobody.

1519
01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:33,719
Speaker 3: He's a really good quality back. I like DJ Giddens.

1520
01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 3: I think he's a good running back. Jordan James out

1521
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:38,200
Speaker 3: of Oregon. He reminds me a lot of the running

1522
01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:40,280
Speaker 3: back that came head of Oregon last year who was

1523
01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:42,680
Speaker 3: a good player. Bachelle Toton. If he figures out the

1524
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:44,920
Speaker 3: fumbling issues, that guy's a big play waiting to happen.

1525
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:47,559
Speaker 3: And then my guy Burshard Smith to Tony mentioned at SMU,

1526
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:49,759
Speaker 3: and that's not even count a guy like Trevor Atien,

1527
01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:52,000
Speaker 3: who is a starter for Georgia this year, is one

1528
01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:54,000
Speaker 3: of the best teams in the nation. So there are

1529
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:55,800
Speaker 3: a lot of really good running backs that will go

1530
01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:57,080
Speaker 3: as deep as round four or five.

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01:09:57,160 --> 01:09:59,880
Speaker 6: I love you said Maa as a sleeper later on,

1532
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,000
Speaker 6: and I kind of had him in the seventh round

1533
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:03,960
Speaker 6: as a guy who'd be a great sleeper and a steal.

1534
01:10:04,040 --> 01:10:05,720
Speaker 6: But I told John the other day on Big Blue

1535
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:09,639
Speaker 6: Kickoff Live, our daytime show Shameless Plug twelve thirty pm,

1536
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:13,840
Speaker 6: one hour every weekday, Monday to Friday on Giants dot Com.

1537
01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:18,400
Speaker 6: Tony the Muldozer, I love Coleel Mullings out of Michigan.

1538
01:10:18,439 --> 01:10:19,559
Speaker 6: Only a one year starter.

1539
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:21,880
Speaker 3: But the mondowser is that yours?

1540
01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:22,840
Speaker 1: No, that's what they call.

1541
01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:23,760
Speaker 3: Is that what they think?

1542
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:24,519
Speaker 1: I don't know that.

1543
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:27,560
Speaker 6: It's just technical because that's the way he plays.

1544
01:10:27,479 --> 01:10:28,599
Speaker 1: Beat Ohio State this year.

1545
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:32,000
Speaker 6: He's a bruiser and.

1546
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:34,439
Speaker 1: He is well liked within the scouting community. Not the

1547
01:10:34,479 --> 01:10:37,559
Speaker 1: greatest tester, I mean, runs in the high four five,

1548
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:40,400
Speaker 1: four sixes, but again, you know, if you're looking for

1549
01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:43,360
Speaker 1: a day three back that's a short yardage back, goal

1550
01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:46,439
Speaker 1: line ball carrier, you know, to be your fifth back

1551
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:47,519
Speaker 1: on your roster.

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01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:48,439
Speaker 3: He will pound it.

1553
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:50,559
Speaker 1: He's the guy. He's definitely one of those guys you

1554
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:50,880
Speaker 1: look at.

1555
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:54,479
Speaker 3: That was our roundtable discussion sponsored by Sloman's Caller. Visit

1556
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1558
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Speaker 3: time out right here on Giants Draft Preview Live presented

1559
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:07,960
Speaker 3: by Tommy's Tavern and Tap. We'll come back and we

1560
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:09,840
Speaker 3: will take your call. So get on the line, folks.

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01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:12,720
Speaker 3: We got about another fifteen minutes of programming. Get on

1562
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:15,160
Speaker 3: the line, give us a call. We'll talk draft with you,

1563
01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:17,519
Speaker 3: and we'll get Tony's prediction for what the Giants are

1564
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:20,880
Speaker 3: gonna do in the twenty twenty five NFL Draft. Stick

1565
01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:32,840
Speaker 3: with us, We'll be right back. All right, We're back

1566
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:35,640
Speaker 3: here for our final segment on Giants Draft Preview Live,

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01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:38,439
Speaker 3: presented by Tommy's Tavern and Tap, John Svelt, Paul Dettino,

1568
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:41,800
Speaker 3: and Tony Pauline, our draft expert with you for the

1569
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:44,640
Speaker 3: next twelve minutes or so until the top of the

1570
01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:49,800
Speaker 3: hour when Keith McPherson joins and takes over at nine pm.

1571
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:51,400
Speaker 3: So you guys want to get in, you can get

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01:11:51,439 --> 01:11:53,280
Speaker 3: on the calls at eight eight eight eight eight one

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01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:55,479
Speaker 3: zero one to nine. We'll get in some calls if

1574
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:57,519
Speaker 3: we can. But I think this is a good time

1575
01:11:57,560 --> 01:11:59,400
Speaker 3: to talk about some of those potential trade options for

1576
01:11:59,439 --> 01:12:02,080
Speaker 3: the Giants. Mention that Daniel Jeremiah mock draft Tony, he

1577
01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:04,960
Speaker 3: has been trading up to eighteen with the Seahawks. Why

1578
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:07,160
Speaker 3: did you kind of raise your eyebrows at that particular

1579
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:10,040
Speaker 3: target and where do you think could be targets at

1580
01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:11,559
Speaker 3: the end of the first round that would make sense

1581
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:14,640
Speaker 3: for the Giants, or another quarterback needed. Team trying to

1582
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:15,760
Speaker 3: move up, where would they go.

1583
01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:18,840
Speaker 1: I don't think the Seattle Seahawks would move that far down.

1584
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:21,040
Speaker 1: I know he's a little bit higher on Gray Zabel

1585
01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:23,439
Speaker 1: than I have him. I do know the Seahawks like Zabel.

1586
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:27,080
Speaker 1: I think that's their selection. As far as trade down

1587
01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:29,559
Speaker 1: or teams that would want to trade down. From what

1588
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:33,040
Speaker 1: I'm hearing, all three NFC teams, not NFC East teams,

1589
01:12:33,160 --> 01:12:35,799
Speaker 1: start with Green Bay at twenty three. They are definitely

1590
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:39,519
Speaker 1: looking to move down. If a top pass rusher is

1591
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:41,559
Speaker 1: staring them in the face, maybe they go with that direction.

1592
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:44,840
Speaker 1: Maybe they look with that receiver. That'll be an opportunity

1593
01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:46,519
Speaker 1: if in fact the Giants want to move up to

1594
01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:50,000
Speaker 1: get a quarterback. The team that selects next, the Minnesota Vikings,

1595
01:12:50,479 --> 01:12:53,280
Speaker 1: they need a qurnerback, but they're short on picks. They

1596
01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:55,880
Speaker 1: would like to move down. They only have four picks

1597
01:12:55,880 --> 01:12:58,200
Speaker 1: in this year's draft. That's to get some extra selections.

1598
01:12:58,280 --> 01:13:01,240
Speaker 1: And you know, just I heard you talking earlier, why

1599
01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:03,879
Speaker 1: do these teams want to move down? Because what's happening

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01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:07,280
Speaker 1: is once you get outside the top twenty, you're basically

1601
01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:11,080
Speaker 1: drafting second round players because there's only a limited number

1602
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:13,720
Speaker 1: of players that have true first round grades. I know

1603
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:16,679
Speaker 1: of one team that only has twelve players with first

1604
01:13:16,760 --> 01:13:19,400
Speaker 1: round grades. So really, when you get from pick twenty

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01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:22,439
Speaker 1: to pick sixty, it's all second round grades.

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01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:25,920
Speaker 6: And specifically Tody Minnesota picking a twenty four. They don't

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01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:28,479
Speaker 6: have a second round pick, so they would love to

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01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:31,280
Speaker 6: get something in that second day, and.

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Speaker 1: The Washington Commanders are twenty nine. They don't have a

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01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:36,320
Speaker 1: third round pick. They are looking to trade down, and

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01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:40,400
Speaker 1: again trade down unless some great player that that's high

1612
01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:42,559
Speaker 1: on the board happens to fall til their laps and

1613
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:45,439
Speaker 1: is staring in the face. I think the Commanders would also,

1614
01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:47,639
Speaker 1: I know they want to trade down. Would they trade

1615
01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:49,640
Speaker 1: with the Giants, I don't know, but they like to

1616
01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:52,240
Speaker 1: trade down. They don't have a third round pick. They

1617
01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:54,160
Speaker 1: want a third round pick so they can get an

1618
01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:56,759
Speaker 1: extra receiver in that frame. From what I'm.

1619
01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:59,519
Speaker 3: Told, stop by Tommy's Tavern and tapping Edgewater and Clifton

1620
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:02,080
Speaker 3: tomorrow to watch Round one of the draft with a

1621
01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:04,800
Speaker 3: Giants legend. Carl Banks will be at Tommy's Tavern and

1622
01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:08,479
Speaker 3: Tappan Edgewater and OJ Anderson will be in Clifton from

1623
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:12,000
Speaker 3: seven thirty to nine. Go check it out. All right,

1624
01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:15,759
Speaker 3: let's go to the phonesdot anyway one zero one nine

1625
01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:19,559
Speaker 3: and we're gonna go next to Gary and Waterbury. Gary.

1626
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:20,200
Speaker 3: What's going on?

1627
01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:21,800
Speaker 11: Oh?

1628
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:22,519
Speaker 2: Not much.

1629
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:26,240
Speaker 11: I am excited about the Giraffe because I don't know

1630
01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:30,400
Speaker 11: what the Giants are gonna do, and I'm not sure

1631
01:14:30,439 --> 01:14:36,920
Speaker 11: that they know either at this point. But I hope

1632
01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:39,000
Speaker 11: they hold the third pick and just get the best

1633
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:39,880
Speaker 11: available player.

1634
01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:42,680
Speaker 3: Gary. I'm gonna be honest, Yeah, and look, and I

1635
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:44,400
Speaker 3: think that's what they're going to do. The Giants are

1636
01:14:44,439 --> 01:14:46,360
Speaker 3: gonna pick the guy that's the highest graded player on

1637
01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:48,720
Speaker 3: their board. They're not gonna reach for somebody there and

1638
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:53,120
Speaker 3: appreciate the call Gary, good stuff. I'm not upstairs. I

1639
01:14:53,160 --> 01:14:55,800
Speaker 3: don't know what's going on. They keep that draft room

1640
01:14:56,000 --> 01:15:01,880
Speaker 3: locked up tighter than Fort Knox, but I would be very,

1641
01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:06,200
Speaker 3: very surprised if at eight forty seven pm on the

1642
01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:08,679
Speaker 3: Wednesday night before the draft, they don't have a pretty

1643
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:12,000
Speaker 3: darn good feel based on what's probably gonna happen at

1644
01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:14,000
Speaker 3: one or two as to what they're gonna do. At

1645
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:17,200
Speaker 3: number three. Obviously, you don't etch anything in stone, you

1646
01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:19,320
Speaker 3: don't write anything down in pen, you don't call the

1647
01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:21,920
Speaker 3: league office and turn in the card extra early that

1648
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:24,000
Speaker 3: he is inevitable. Phone call comes in, you get extra

1649
01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:26,640
Speaker 3: information and something might change. But Tony, you know, and

1650
01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:29,080
Speaker 3: Paul how this works these teams at this point, they've

1651
01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:32,000
Speaker 3: been through weeks of draft meetings. It's not like Joe

1652
01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:34,160
Speaker 3: Shade's going home. It's two guys that I like, I'm

1653
01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:36,280
Speaker 3: gonna sleep on. I'm gonna come back and make my decision.

1654
01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:39,320
Speaker 6: Lushine just told us last week that he's had phone calls,

1655
01:15:39,400 --> 01:15:41,880
Speaker 6: yes exactly, moving up and moving down. So they have

1656
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:46,400
Speaker 6: a feel for at least what might potentially be possible.

1657
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:50,080
Speaker 1: They know who they're gonna take. The question is who

1658
01:15:50,120 --> 01:15:52,360
Speaker 1: wants to move up and are they willing to pay

1659
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:55,080
Speaker 1: the price that the Giants want. We see this all

1660
01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:57,639
Speaker 1: the time. A couple of years ago, the Eagles wanting

1661
01:15:57,640 --> 01:15:59,679
Speaker 1: to move up on the cheap to get Jalen Carter.

1662
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:03,000
Speaker 1: You're gonna hear all kinds of talk tomorrow about this

1663
01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:05,080
Speaker 1: team wants to move up. Last year, the Colts wanting

1664
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:07,080
Speaker 1: to move up to get Rock Bowers, the Rams wanting

1665
01:16:07,080 --> 01:16:09,599
Speaker 1: to move up to get rock Powers. You're gonna hear that,

1666
01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:13,760
Speaker 1: and they will entertain those calls. It's just that does

1667
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:16,240
Speaker 1: a team wants to move up, are they going to

1668
01:16:16,280 --> 01:16:19,280
Speaker 1: pay the Giants price in order for them to move down?

1669
01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:20,439
Speaker 1: That's the only decision.

1670
01:16:20,479 --> 01:16:23,280
Speaker 3: And they're usually a quarterback tax, right if you're trading

1671
01:16:23,320 --> 01:16:26,479
Speaker 3: up to draft the quarterback. But I do wonder if

1672
01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:29,360
Speaker 3: this year, even though a team probably maybe they would

1673
01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:33,400
Speaker 3: be I don't know, trading up for a quarterback if

1674
01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:37,919
Speaker 3: the consensus evaluation of these players is to be believed,

1675
01:16:38,160 --> 01:16:41,000
Speaker 3: the drop off from the Hunter and Carter group to

1676
01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:44,559
Speaker 3: the next group Tony is so steep that I think

1677
01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:47,240
Speaker 3: there would be maybe not a full quarterback tax, but

1678
01:16:47,640 --> 01:16:50,040
Speaker 3: maybe a tiny little tax on it for a team

1679
01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:51,960
Speaker 3: to move up to get the Giants to drop down

1680
01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:54,280
Speaker 3: a couple spots. Again, if the Giants have a graded

1681
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:57,120
Speaker 3: like the consensus evaluators do last.

1682
01:16:56,960 --> 01:16:59,880
Speaker 1: Year, teams were gonna have to basically open the vall

1683
01:17:00,240 --> 01:17:02,320
Speaker 1: to move up and get one of those quarterbacks in

1684
01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:05,000
Speaker 1: the top three. That's why you didn't see any trades.

1685
01:17:05,439 --> 01:17:07,360
Speaker 1: I don't think it's going at the price is going

1686
01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:10,000
Speaker 1: to be all that steep. This year if a team

1687
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:10,800
Speaker 1: wants to move up.

1688
01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:13,639
Speaker 6: Now, let me address this with your Tony, because while

1689
01:17:13,640 --> 01:17:16,719
Speaker 6: we're talking about possible trades, guys moving up, guys moving

1690
01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:19,080
Speaker 6: down on the board, try to figure out what kind

1691
01:17:19,080 --> 01:17:22,679
Speaker 6: of price that they're going to command. Everybody out there

1692
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:25,400
Speaker 6: wants to be a general manager and they want to

1693
01:17:25,439 --> 01:17:29,559
Speaker 6: predict or craft a trade that their team should make.

1694
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:32,320
Speaker 6: So they go online and they find the old Jimmy

1695
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:34,719
Speaker 6: Johnson trade value chart, of which I have a copy

1696
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:37,680
Speaker 6: right here. Okay, I always keep it with me anyway.

1697
01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:39,640
Speaker 3: Paul's actually typed out on a typewriter up for the

1698
01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:41,360
Speaker 3: people that want to get envision at home of what

1699
01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:43,520
Speaker 3: Paul's holding in his hands hieroglyphics.

1700
01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:44,320
Speaker 11: Well, there you go.

1701
01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:47,960
Speaker 6: So my question to you is this. I'm told that

1702
01:17:48,120 --> 01:17:51,920
Speaker 6: some teams still have this chart and still will look

1703
01:17:51,960 --> 01:17:56,080
Speaker 6: at it. I'm told that other teams have completely different

1704
01:17:56,200 --> 01:17:59,600
Speaker 6: charts that they go by, which are based on finances

1705
01:17:59,640 --> 01:18:01,639
Speaker 6: and tracks and economic slots.

1706
01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:05,160
Speaker 3: A lot of the new charts, the differential and prices

1707
01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:07,840
Speaker 3: aren't quite as steep from pick to pick. It's more

1708
01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:10,679
Speaker 3: packed together. Spielberger for who used to work rather at Spielberger.

1709
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:12,639
Speaker 3: He used to be on our shows that he helped

1710
01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:15,120
Speaker 3: develop that chart with some people in that another Trumper.

1711
01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:17,439
Speaker 3: Most teams have custom charts they've developed in their analytics.

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01:18:17,479 --> 01:18:21,000
Speaker 6: That's my question to you is how many people, how

1713
01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:24,120
Speaker 6: many people around the league and your opinion, still use

1714
01:18:24,200 --> 01:18:26,880
Speaker 6: these types of charts and how useful are they If

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Speaker 6: everybody's got their own different chart, what are we doing.

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Speaker 1: It's a guideline. It's not something that set in stone.

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01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:36,160
Speaker 1: You know, if a team wants to move down and

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01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:38,519
Speaker 1: they really don't care for the players that are available,

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01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:40,920
Speaker 1: when they're called to the clock, they say, okay, this

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01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:43,639
Speaker 1: is what we should get, and if they're offered less,

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01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:46,240
Speaker 1: they'll still move down if they really don't if there's

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01:18:46,520 --> 01:18:49,320
Speaker 1: no player available to them at that point, at that

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01:18:49,960 --> 01:18:51,880
Speaker 1: when they're called to the clock, when they're on the clock,

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01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:55,000
Speaker 1: you know, if they're gonna get some extra selections. It's

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01:18:55,040 --> 01:18:58,320
Speaker 1: a guideline. It's not written in stone. It's not the Bible.

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01:18:58,520 --> 01:18:59,880
Speaker 1: If we could put that way all.

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Speaker 3: Right, now, it's time to play Predict the Pick presented

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Speaker 3: a year and an autographed item by the twenty twenty

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01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:14,400
Speaker 3: five Giants first draft pick. So, Tony wanna go to

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01:19:14,439 --> 01:19:16,280
Speaker 3: you first, Why don't you predict the pick? And by

1733
01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:18,639
Speaker 3: the way, I'm gonna put the asterisks here, folks. We're

1734
01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:21,719
Speaker 3: gonna talk about these picks and these players. Obviously, every

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01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:24,439
Speaker 3: NFL team, including the Giants, well, maybe not more than Tony,

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01:19:24,479 --> 01:19:25,800
Speaker 3: but at least more than Paw and I have a

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01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:28,000
Speaker 3: lot more information about these guys than we do, Tony,

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01:19:28,040 --> 01:19:30,240
Speaker 3: so locked in. They probably more than twenty two. But

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01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:32,880
Speaker 3: so keep in mind that while we talk about these

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01:19:32,920 --> 01:19:35,040
Speaker 3: players a certain way, the Giants and other teams might

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01:19:35,200 --> 01:19:37,639
Speaker 3: know more than we do, whether it's medicals or anything else,

1742
01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:39,639
Speaker 3: and they might have a different opinion on these guys.

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01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:42,920
Speaker 3: So Tony, go ahead, predict your pick for the Giants. Yeah,

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01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:44,000
Speaker 3: predicta pick at number three.

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01:19:44,040 --> 01:19:46,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, abdul clutter. I mean, they get the best player

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01:19:46,200 --> 01:19:48,439
Speaker 1: in the draft with a third pick of the draft.

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01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:51,559
Speaker 1: It's great value. He's much more than an ad rusher.

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01:19:52,120 --> 01:19:54,720
Speaker 1: We're assuming that the medicals are fine on him and

1749
01:19:54,760 --> 01:19:57,479
Speaker 1: he's going to be healthy early on. You know, people

1750
01:19:57,479 --> 01:20:00,320
Speaker 1: are gonna broad and it's it's been my problem. They

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01:20:00,320 --> 01:20:03,559
Speaker 1: brought rushing where they stereotypins as an edgeresher. Go back

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01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:05,920
Speaker 1: and watch the twenty three film when he played in

1753
01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:08,519
Speaker 1: space and he was great in pursuit and he showed

1754
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:11,400
Speaker 1: the ability to cover, and that's why he's so explosive.

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01:20:11,960 --> 01:20:15,080
Speaker 1: I thought that, really Penn State did the service to

1756
01:20:15,160 --> 01:20:17,880
Speaker 1: him this year lining up out of a three point stance.

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01:20:18,160 --> 01:20:20,479
Speaker 1: He basically do everything. And as I said earlier, you

1758
01:20:20,479 --> 01:20:22,719
Speaker 1: know Paul and I go back and in the eighties

1759
01:20:22,760 --> 01:20:27,040
Speaker 1: in the nineties, everybody coveted the impact defensive player in

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01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:29,559
Speaker 1: the draft. That's exactly what Abdua Carter is.

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01:20:29,680 --> 01:20:32,160
Speaker 6: You know, John, to enhance this defense, to make it

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01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:36,280
Speaker 6: a dominant force again like the Giants championship teams of

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01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:39,280
Speaker 6: the past that Tony just referred to. This is a

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01:20:39,320 --> 01:20:42,519
Speaker 6: guy who could easily be a major component in that direction.

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01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:45,320
Speaker 6: And as we talked about before Tony came out into

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01:20:45,320 --> 01:20:48,160
Speaker 6: the program, there's no reason why he can't play in

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01:20:48,200 --> 01:20:51,760
Speaker 6: conjunction with Thibodeaux and Burns on the field at the

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01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:54,840
Speaker 6: same time. So yes, I'm with you on this one, Tony.

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01:20:55,240 --> 01:20:56,599
Speaker 6: I think Carter would.

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Speaker 3: Be the guy I leave the window open for a

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01:20:58,479 --> 01:21:01,400
Speaker 3: quarterback just because teams are always looking for one when

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01:21:01,400 --> 01:21:03,400
Speaker 3: they don't have one, and if they believe in one,

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01:21:03,720 --> 01:21:05,760
Speaker 3: I will never rule that out as a possibility. And

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01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:07,479
Speaker 3: if they believe one, they should certainly pick one in

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01:21:07,479 --> 01:21:10,920
Speaker 3: that spot. But if cam Warden and Travis Hunter are

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01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:12,639
Speaker 3: off the board and by all on dcations, they are

1777
01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:15,559
Speaker 3: going to be I'm with you, guys, I agree. I

1778
01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:18,160
Speaker 3: just think he's a really, really good player. He rushes

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01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:20,960
Speaker 3: the passer well, double digit sacks last year. He has

1780
01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:23,800
Speaker 3: rare physical traits. I wish we could have seen him

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01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:25,760
Speaker 3: test at the combine Tony, because I think his testing

1782
01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:27,960
Speaker 3: numbers have been great. You know Bruce Feldman on his

1783
01:21:27,960 --> 01:21:30,040
Speaker 3: Freaks List. We have him on draft season all the time,

1784
01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:32,000
Speaker 3: by the way, guys, search a draft season on your

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01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:37,000
Speaker 3: favorite podcast platform. And his numbers that he tested over

1786
01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:39,400
Speaker 3: the summer were off the charts. And we talked to

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01:21:39,439 --> 01:21:41,519
Speaker 3: Bruce on the Johnson podcast at a couple weeks ago

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01:21:41,600 --> 01:21:42,960
Speaker 3: and he said Penn State is actually one of the

1789
01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:46,200
Speaker 3: schools that generally give him some of the most accurate numbers.

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01:21:46,280 --> 01:21:48,519
Speaker 3: When you get to actual combine testing, the Penn State

1791
01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:51,960
Speaker 3: numbers tend to match more than other teams. So he's

1792
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:55,040
Speaker 3: a freak athlete, and again you can add to a

1793
01:21:55,040 --> 01:21:57,959
Speaker 3: pass rush. You see how teams build through the defensive

1794
01:21:57,960 --> 01:22:00,519
Speaker 3: one and the defensive front. You add a run stuff

1795
01:22:00,520 --> 01:22:01,800
Speaker 3: for a little bit later on in the draft, you

1796
01:22:01,800 --> 01:22:03,719
Speaker 3: stop to run a little bit better, you get teams

1797
01:22:03,720 --> 01:22:06,120
Speaker 3: into more third and lungs. You unleash that pass rush,

1798
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:08,879
Speaker 3: and that can really be a difference maker for defense.

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Speaker 6: And John, I'll tell you something else about Carter as

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01:22:11,240 --> 01:22:13,760
Speaker 6: he matures and fills out, and I think you'll agree

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01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:16,320
Speaker 6: with this. Tony, he will get stronger and more powerful,

1802
01:22:16,360 --> 01:22:18,160
Speaker 6: and he will add more elements to his game.

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01:22:18,520 --> 01:22:20,720
Speaker 1: Only makes sense. I mean he's an underclassman. You can

1804
01:22:20,720 --> 01:22:24,760
Speaker 1: say that about armand Menbo and Jaylen Walker, guys like that.

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01:22:25,479 --> 01:22:28,280
Speaker 1: It makes sense. Just as you physically mature, as you

1806
01:22:28,320 --> 01:22:31,160
Speaker 1: get older, you get better and that component of your

1807
01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:31,959
Speaker 1: game improves.

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01:22:32,160 --> 01:22:33,920
Speaker 3: All right, Before we say goodbye, we got about the

1809
01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:35,640
Speaker 3: midtle left. Each of you throw out a couple of

1810
01:22:35,680 --> 01:22:37,240
Speaker 3: names of a guy that you really like in this

1811
01:22:37,320 --> 01:22:38,960
Speaker 3: draft that maybe we even talked about. That you want

1812
01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:40,919
Speaker 3: to feature Tony. Why don't you go first, Kat McMillan.

1813
01:22:41,400 --> 01:22:43,599
Speaker 3: I think he's a dominant receiver. I know he's made

1814
01:22:43,600 --> 01:22:47,160
Speaker 3: some really dumb comments in the lead up to the draft.

1815
01:22:47,240 --> 01:22:48,720
Speaker 3: By the way, though those comments were from like two

1816
01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:51,000
Speaker 3: years ago, we should be clear about that. People dug

1817
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:52,360
Speaker 3: those up from when he was a freshman.

1818
01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:54,519
Speaker 1: Just for the record, I just think he is an

1819
01:22:54,520 --> 01:22:58,280
Speaker 1: outstanding game controlling receiver. I agree he's great, and I'm

1820
01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:00,160
Speaker 1: gonna go with the guy in the third round like

1821
01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:02,679
Speaker 1: a lot that no one is paying attention to, Ty

1822
01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:08,280
Speaker 1: Felton of Maryland. Tall, excellent rangy guy, terrific downfield receiver,

1823
01:23:08,439 --> 01:23:10,920
Speaker 1: ran in the four threes at the Combine, and he

1824
01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:13,080
Speaker 1: plays like a vertical receiver. So I like both of

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01:23:13,080 --> 01:23:13,400
Speaker 1: those guys.

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01:23:13,479 --> 01:23:14,240
Speaker 3: Ball give me a couple guys.

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01:23:14,280 --> 01:23:16,840
Speaker 6: You know, I love the hammers in the backfield. So

1828
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:19,559
Speaker 6: I'm gonna go with Camp Scataboo out of Arizona State,

1829
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:23,200
Speaker 6: who is just an absolute sledgehammer. He is a force.

1830
01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:26,040
Speaker 6: He black and blues people on the other side of

1831
01:23:26,040 --> 01:23:29,080
Speaker 6: the ball. And I really love Oli Gordon also or

1832
01:23:29,120 --> 01:23:33,800
Speaker 6: coming out of Oklahoma State, as another guy who runs angry.

1833
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:36,640
Speaker 6: That's one of my favorite things when I look at

1834
01:23:36,680 --> 01:23:39,639
Speaker 6: tape of a guy is if he runs angry.

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01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:43,120
Speaker 3: Right, Kyle brant Well, I didn't take that from him.

1836
01:23:43,160 --> 01:23:45,840
Speaker 1: He took it from me. Oh, I'm sure that's the

1837
01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:49,040
Speaker 1: only thing about those running backs is they're smart. They're smart. Yeah,

1838
01:23:49,360 --> 01:23:52,160
Speaker 1: they look for the contact, but they're smart players. They

1839
01:23:52,520 --> 01:23:55,280
Speaker 1: see the field, find them a great vision, and find

1840
01:23:55,280 --> 01:23:55,920
Speaker 1: the running lanes.

1841
01:23:55,920 --> 01:23:57,800
Speaker 3: All right, I'm gonna give you two defensive tackles that

1842
01:23:57,880 --> 01:23:59,519
Speaker 3: are like Tyler Williams. So I just think it's a

1843
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:02,439
Speaker 3: really safe player. He's gonna stop the run and be

1844
01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:04,679
Speaker 3: an anchor for you in the middle of your defense.

1845
01:24:04,720 --> 01:24:07,240
Speaker 3: Just a really good player. Love him. You want to

1846
01:24:07,240 --> 01:24:09,439
Speaker 3: wait a little bit later for a plugger. Look at CJ.

1847
01:24:09,560 --> 01:24:11,640
Speaker 3: West out of Indiana. He's not his big as Ti

1848
01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:14,200
Speaker 3: Leek Williams, but man, and he tested well for a

1849
01:24:14,200 --> 01:24:15,960
Speaker 3: man his size too. He is just solid as a

1850
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:17,519
Speaker 3: rock and he's got some bursts to his game. I

1851
01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:19,400
Speaker 3: think he can develop a little bit as a pass rusher.

1852
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:21,680
Speaker 3: Was really good Ken State, Indiana. We saw him at

1853
01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:23,800
Speaker 3: the shri and ball. No one could move him off

1854
01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:25,960
Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage. No, he was absolutely dominant. And

1855
01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:27,720
Speaker 3: then I got to shout out my guy R. J.

1856
01:24:27,880 --> 01:24:30,759
Speaker 3: Harvey at a UCF. Just a big play waiting to happen.

1857
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:33,320
Speaker 3: He's quick, he's athletic, he can catch the ball out

1858
01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:37,479
Speaker 3: of the backfield. One receiver I likely uh Jayalen Knowle

1859
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:40,519
Speaker 3: out of Iowa State would not be surprising me if

1860
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:42,160
Speaker 3: he ends up being the second best wide receiver in

1861
01:24:42,200 --> 01:24:44,439
Speaker 3: this draft class. I'm much higher him than Tony is,

1862
01:24:44,479 --> 01:24:45,040
Speaker 3: and that's okay.

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01:24:45,080 --> 01:24:47,040
Speaker 6: I think we loved him at the combo.

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01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:49,640
Speaker 3: I think he's fantastic, really good player. So those are

1865
01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:51,280
Speaker 3: some names althro out there, and I got to show

1866
01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:53,160
Speaker 3: my love out for Tyler Shuck, who I thought his

1867
01:24:53,200 --> 01:24:54,439
Speaker 3: tape was is a lot of fun this year. I

1868
01:24:54,439 --> 01:24:56,280
Speaker 3: know he's gonna be, you know, like forty five years

1869
01:24:56,320 --> 01:24:57,320
Speaker 3: old when the draft happens.

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01:24:57,680 --> 01:24:58,200
Speaker 6: A couple.

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01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:01,760
Speaker 3: O Joe, he's twenty five, he's gonna be twenty six.

1872
01:25:01,800 --> 01:25:03,760
Speaker 3: I just thought he was really fun to watch and

1873
01:25:03,880 --> 01:25:05,439
Speaker 3: talking to him too it at the Senior boat.

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01:25:05,439 --> 01:25:07,400
Speaker 6: Just a really out of central casting.

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01:25:07,720 --> 01:25:09,720
Speaker 3: Really fun kid to watch on tape. So but I

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01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:11,880
Speaker 3: think all these quarterbacks we talked about all have talent,

1877
01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:14,800
Speaker 3: all have ability, whether it's Shad or Sanders, Tyler Schulk,

1878
01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:17,920
Speaker 3: Jackson Dark Jalen Milroe, all different but good in different ways,

1879
01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:19,759
Speaker 3: and they all could be good options for the Giants

1880
01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:22,080
Speaker 3: if they decide to go to the route up the quarterback, Tony.

1881
01:25:22,120 --> 01:25:23,800
Speaker 3: It was always fun having you my friend, appreciate it.

1882
01:25:23,840 --> 01:25:26,280
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me here, PAULI always fun. Paul and

1883
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