1 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:11,040 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. On an early morning 2 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: this January, hundreds of Indian politicians, world leaders, business moguls, 3 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: and journalists gathered in a huge convention center in the 4 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:22,599 Speaker 1: western Indian state of Gujarat. They came here for the 5 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 1: Vibrant Gujarat Summit, a business event that draws investment pledges 6 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: worth hundreds of millions of dollars. Leaders from some of 7 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 1: the world's biggest companies showed up, including Microsoft, in Nvidia, 8 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 1: and on stage, speaker after speaker praised one man. 9 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:43,879 Speaker 2: When foreigners think of new India, they think of a 10 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 2: new Gujarat. How did this transformation happen because of one leader. 11 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: That's Mukesham Banni, the richest man in India and in Asia. 12 00:00:55,520 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 2: Our beloved leader was emerged as the greatest global leader 13 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 2: of our times. And he is Sen NARENDR Vai Modi, 14 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 2: the most successful prime minister in India's history. 15 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 1: One big reason on Banni can't stop singing Narandromodi's praises 16 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: his own net worth. It is quintupled since Mody became 17 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 1: Prime Minister. Ambani is now the eleventh richest person on 18 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 1: the planet, right behind Warren Buffett and Larry Ellison and 19 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: Bonnie was also one of the first business heavyweights that 20 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 1: came to support this summit. Vibrant Gujarat. It was Mody's 21 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: brainchild while he was Chief Minister of the state and 22 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 1: it's no coincidence that this summit first took place in 23 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 1: two thousand and three. That's just a year after riots 24 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: in Gujarat left more than one thousand people dead and 25 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: brought criticism of the state and its leader Mody. Welcome 26 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: to The Big Take Asia from Bloomberg News. I'm wan Ha. 27 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: Each week we bring you one big story from Asia, 28 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: taking you deeper into some of the world's biggest and 29 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: most powerful economies and the markets, tycoons and businesses that 30 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: drive this fast changing region. Today the second episode in 31 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: our two part series on India's Prime Minister Narendra Modi. 32 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: We look at how Mody emerged even stronger after the 33 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 1: riots and how he used his relationships with billionaires to 34 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:38,839 Speaker 1: propel his power and India to new heights. After more 35 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: than one thousand people, mostly Muslims, were killed in violent 36 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: riots in Gujarat in two thousand and two, Modi came 37 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: under immediate pressure the Indian Supreme Court would eventually clear 38 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: Modi of any wrongdoing years later, but in two thousand 39 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: and two, he was besieged with accusations from all over India. Critics, 40 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 1: including members of his own party, accused him of failing 41 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: to do enough to stop the violence, and amid the criticism, 42 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: Modi saw an opportunity to cement his political support in Gujarat, 43 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: a state were Hindu's outnumber Muslims by a wide margin. 44 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: Just five months after the riots, Modi called an early 45 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: election and ran on a defiantly pro Hindu campaign. 46 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 3: So Moodi ran a campaign which was actually very provocated. 47 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 1: That's Nilanjan Mokopati Hai, a journalist based in Delhi and 48 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: author of a Modi biography, Narendra Modi the man the times. 49 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 3: He actually called, you know, in one of his speeches, 50 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 3: said that I have shocked all these refugee camps. 51 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: Those refugee camps had been set up for tens of 52 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: thousands of Muslims. They lost their homes in the aftermath 53 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: of the Gujarat riots. 54 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 3: Is preferred to the refugee camp, says baby manufacturing factories. 55 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: If you didn't catch that, Klanjan said that Modi called 56 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: these refugee camps baby making factories. This stirred up unfounded 57 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: fears that Muslims in India, who only make up about 58 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: fourteen percent of the population, would soon overtake Hindus in numbers. 59 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 3: A certain amount of Gujati majoritarian sentiment was unleashed by mister. 60 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: Moody and it worked. 61 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 3: So that is how mister Moody suddenly became from the 62 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 3: leader of a government and a party which was not 63 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 3: very sure whether they will win the elections, to somebody 64 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 3: who became the Hindu ride Samat, the emperor of Hindu hearts. 65 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:45,799 Speaker 1: The riots galvanized the Hindu nationalist movement and made Modi 66 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: an unapologetic Hindu leader only more popular. Modi's BJP ended 67 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: up winning seventy percent of seats, the biggest victory for 68 00:04:54,720 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: any party in Gujarat in nearly two decades, but still 69 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 1: had a problem. The reputations of both Mody and his 70 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: home state were in tatters, particularly on the international stage. 71 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:13,359 Speaker 3: He decided, or he also realized, because ultimately you have 72 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 3: to improve the image of the state. Also the only 73 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 3: way is by projecting the image of a very peaceful state. 74 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 1: But how Modi's strategy win over India's biggest tycoons. Mody 75 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: personally called the country's leading entrepreneurs and convinced them to 76 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: come and invest in the state. He implemented a slew 77 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 1: of pro business measures, cutting layers and layers of bureaucracy, 78 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 1: and sped up investment approvals. Listen to how excited the 79 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 1: crowd was to see Mody at a festival tied to 80 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 1: the Vibrant Gujarat Summit in two thousand and four. 81 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:56,119 Speaker 4: I'll say, let me raise your hands and say Gujarati's will. 82 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:06,039 Speaker 3: In a short period of time, Librant Gujat became a 83 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:10,479 Speaker 3: very important event for which people would flood. 84 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 1: And they didn't just show up. They invested money, lots 85 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: of money. Banni says his company, Reliance Industries, has invested 86 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty billion US dollars in India in 87 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 1: the last ten years and that a third of that 88 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: has gone to Gujarat alone. And Guta Madani, who is 89 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: now India's second richest man, invested in big dollar projects 90 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 1: such as power plants. One of Adani's power plants in 91 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 1: the state can power millions of rural homes. Those projects 92 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 1: created thousands of jobs in Mody's home state and fed 93 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: right back into growing public support for Mody. 94 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 5: What we can very definitely say is that business loves 95 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 5: him and he's also made every possible gesture reached out 96 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 5: for them to come and invest an inn set of 97 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 5: shop in India. 98 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Sudi ran Jansen has been covering India for nearly 99 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:07,159 Speaker 1: three decades. 100 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 5: So vibrant gujard and his friendship with billionnaires and Gujarat 101 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 5: riots are all kind of intertwined. 102 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: And in the almost thirteen years Mody was in charge 103 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: of the state, Gujrat's economy grew an average of nearly 104 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: ten percent each year, higher than the country overall. Mody's 105 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: record on the state economy, combined with his charisma on 106 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: the campaign trail, catapulted him onto the national stage. He 107 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: rose to become the Prime Minister candidate of his party, 108 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: the Baratiya Janta Party or the BJP. And in May 109 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: twenty fourteen. 110 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 6: We begin with the biggest exercise in democracy ever. Narendra 111 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 6: Moody has won a landslide victory in India's election. The 112 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 6: long dominant Congress party has conceded defeat and has headed 113 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 6: for its worst loss and it's head to Mumbai. 114 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: You can hear how excited his supporters are in this 115 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:09,679 Speaker 1: video posted on Modi's official YouTube channel. After the break, 116 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: Modi focuses on helping the poor before carrying out his 117 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: Hindu First agenda, passing measures that stoke further tension between 118 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: Hindus and religious minorities in India, all the while winning 119 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: praise from world leaders and business titans like Elon Musk. 120 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: After savoring the biggest election win in India in thirty years, 121 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: Mody took quick action to quiet critics. They accused him 122 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 1: of focusing on pleasing Hindu conservatives rather than improving the 123 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: lives of the country's poorest people. So Mody pledged to 124 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: focus on toilets, first temples. Later, here's him talking about 125 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:58,079 Speaker 1: it in a speech in twenty thirteen. 126 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 4: Friends, I'm known to be a Hindu nationalist leader. I 127 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 4: have said this with a lot of courage in my state, 128 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 4: and I keep repeating. My image does not permit me 129 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 4: to say so, but I dare to say that my 130 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 4: real thought is first pill, toilets, ten temples. 131 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: Modi's government launched a series of programs. Beyond providing toilets, 132 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 1: It provided the poor with cheap cooking gas, running water, electricity, 133 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: and on top of that, gave hundreds of millions of 134 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: Indians new bank accounts, allowing them to directly access government 135 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 1: subsidies instead of having to go through middlemen who often 136 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:44,680 Speaker 1: took a cut. 137 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 5: With you know, being able to bank the unbanked. He's 138 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 5: been able to largely, not completely, but largely in some areas, 139 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 5: do away with, you know, the corruption that was there 140 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 5: in between in the delivery systems. That has really worked. 141 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: And as he grew in power, Modi and the BJP 142 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: sought to unify the Hindu vote by seeking to convince 143 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 1: the majority of Indians to identify more as Hindus than 144 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 1: by caste. Now, India's cast system is an ancient system 145 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: of social hierarchy based on birth, and it's one of 146 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 1: the traditional dividing lines politically. Although cast discrimination is officially banned, 147 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 1: the system is still a big factor in deciding everything 148 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: from education and healthcare to job opportunities. Under Modi, the 149 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 1: BJP has brought in more Hindus into the party, effectively 150 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: building a bigger coalition of Hindu voters across cast lines. 151 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 1: The party's membership more than tripled in twenty nineteen, with 152 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: Modi at the helm. 153 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 5: What we see that the BJP has excelled in is 154 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 5: being able to kind of bring in more or less 155 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:59,959 Speaker 5: all casts and smaller groups within the Hindu in the religon. 156 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:04,959 Speaker 5: So why are you pushing the Hindu first agenda front 157 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 5: and center. You're also taking care of the different divisions 158 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 5: that are there in society and trying to say that 159 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 5: innaded us who can take care of you, Therefore you 160 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 5: need to follow us. Therefore you need to support us. 161 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 1: During his first term, Mody largely focused on economic issues. 162 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: A second landslide election win in twenty nineteen prompted him 163 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 1: to move full steam ahead with some long standing goals 164 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 1: of Hindu conservatives. A few months into Modi's second term, 165 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:36,359 Speaker 1: his government scrapped the special status of Jamu and Kashmir, 166 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:40,599 Speaker 1: India's only Muslim majority state. The status had allowed the 167 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:43,239 Speaker 1: state to make its own laws and gave it autonomy 168 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: in nearly all matters. India also passed a law that 169 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: fast tracked citizenship rights for immigrants from neighboring nations, except 170 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 1: for those who identify as Muslim. The law, called the 171 00:11:56,880 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 1: Citizenship Amendment Act, sparked protests and sporadic communal violence. Muslims 172 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: who had immigrated to India years ago fear that they 173 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:09,679 Speaker 1: might be deported or placed in detention camps. We are 174 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: protest or. 175 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 5: We are the most chasing against a law which is 176 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 5: parsed by the Indian woman, which is based on the religion, 177 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 5: which discim anerica an artist. For the first time, you 178 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:25,959 Speaker 5: have a very popular leader who is anabashedly a Hindu leader. 179 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 5: India has seen Hindu leaders earlier who have always been 180 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 5: very mindful, sensitive about other communities. In this case, it 181 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 5: is just the opposite. You have a very you know 182 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 5: of muscular show of religion. 183 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 1: Since Modi came to power in twenty fourteen, the representation 184 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:51,839 Speaker 1: of Muslim lawmakers in Parliament has been dropping and pro 185 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: Hindu pop songs are growing in popularity. And while some 186 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 1: in the West may think this would be bad for Mody, 187 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: none of that has turned off his voting base. Sudi 188 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 1: says that's because of the growth he's delivered and the 189 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: lack of big corruption scandals under his watch. The more 190 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 1: Modi and the BJP can unify the Hindu vote, the 191 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 1: greater the likelihood they can rule India for decades to come. 192 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 5: So it doesn't hurt his popularity just because of the numbers. 193 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 5: If you look at the Hindu population, it is the 194 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 5: majority population and the Muslim population is a minority. It's 195 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 5: about only fourteen percent. So it really doesn't affect you know, 196 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 5: Prime Minister more the other BJP's electoral fortunes, so to say. 197 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 1: And just a few months after Modi and the BJP 198 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: won a second term, a Supreme Court ruling gave them 199 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: even more room to push their Hindu first agenda. Remember 200 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:52,679 Speaker 1: that mosque that was destroyed by Hindu mob in nineteen 201 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: ninety two, While in twenty nineteen, the Supreme Court announced 202 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 1: a verdict that essentially handed Hindu's control of the area 203 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 1: and that meant Mody was finally able to deliver on 204 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: a long standing promise, the promise to build a Hindu 205 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:11,119 Speaker 1: temple in a Yodia where a mosque had stood for centuries. 206 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: The sounds that you're hearing are from the inauguration ceremony 207 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: this January of the Ram Temple in the northern city 208 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: of a Yodia. And at the center of this big 209 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: celebration is Narendra Modi. He's dressed in a traditional kurta 210 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: almost as white as his beard and in his hands 211 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 1: he holds a red cushion with a large silver ornament, 212 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: and during the ceremony, prostrates himself before a statue of ram. Now, 213 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: the temple's actually not going to be fully completed until 214 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: this December, but Mody planned for the opening ceremony to 215 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 1: take place just several months before he's up for re election. 216 00:14:55,120 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 7: Haimae from today, from this sacred moment, we must lay 217 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 7: the foundation for the next thousand years. 218 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: With millions of people joining the middle class each year, 219 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 1: India could see annual growth rates reaching eight percent over 220 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 1: the next decade. A Bloomberg analysis estimated that India could 221 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 1: overtake China as the world's fastest growing economy as early 222 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 1: as twenty twenty eight, and globally, India is in a 223 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: sweet spot right now as tensions grow between the US 224 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: and China, India is benefiting from the fallout. It's now 225 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: the world's most populous country and it's a huge and 226 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: potentially lucrative market for companies looking to diversify away from 227 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: US slowing China companies like Tesla. You can hear how 228 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: passionate Elon Musk is in this video after he met 229 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: Mody last year. 230 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 4: Well, I'm actually incredibly excited about the future of India. 231 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 4: I think India has more promise than any large country 232 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 4: in the world. 233 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 5: I am a fan of Mody. 234 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: So and here's JP Morgan CEO Jamie Diamond. 235 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 5: Modi has done an unbelieving job in India. He's taken 236 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 5: four hundred million people of poverty. They've gone umbling education system, 237 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 5: umblieing infrastructure. They're lifting up that whole country because this 238 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 5: one man is just ased off. 239 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: Meanwhile, religious tensions and accusations of unfair treatment of minorities 240 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 1: in India have not gone away. The problem got new 241 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: light last year when Hardeep sing Najar was shot dead 242 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: in Canada this past June. He was a Canadian and 243 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: a prominent Sikh separatist leader who was labeled a terrorist 244 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: by India. Here's Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau speaking about 245 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: the killing. 246 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 8: Canadian security agencies have been actively pursuing credible allegations of 247 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 8: a potential link between agents of the government of India 248 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 8: and the killing of a Canadian citizen, Hardeep Singh. 249 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: Canadian police charged four Indian nationals with first degree murder 250 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: in the killing of the Sikh activists. They also said 251 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: officers are actively investigating links to Mody's government, which has 252 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 1: dismissed the allegations as absurd. After the allegations emerged, Secretary 253 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:13,439 Speaker 1: of State Anthony Blincoln said the US does bring up 254 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 1: human rights issues with India, but he also praised Mody's 255 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: remarkable achievements. Here's Blinken at the World Economic Forum in 256 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: Davos in January. 257 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 9: Well, we see an extraordinary success stories. We also see 258 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 9: a relationship between our countries that is in a new place, 259 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 9: at a new level, and that's been I think the 260 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 9: very deliberate effort of both Prime Minister and President Biden. 261 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 1: And right now it looks like Mody and the BJP 262 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 1: are set for another term. I asked Sudy, what would 263 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 1: India look like if Mody wins big yet again. 264 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:49,399 Speaker 5: If this government comes back as it claims, it is 265 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 5: coming back with larger numbers, So you can expect a 266 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:58,640 Speaker 5: lot of stability in economic policy, foreign policy, you can 267 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 5: expect a lot of stability. On the other hand, the 268 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 5: darker or the difficult parts of that would be when 269 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 5: you push a unified way of living. You know that 270 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:16,160 Speaker 5: is perhaps in a diverse, multicultural country, like India, could 271 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 5: lead to major problems. 272 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: On the campaign trail, Mody has gotten questions about how 273 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 1: long he plans to stay in power, and he's avoided 274 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 1: giving a clear answer. In an interview with a local 275 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: media outlet this month, he said no country should run 276 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:36,959 Speaker 1: on one man. Yet he gave a very different answer 277 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 1: two months earlier at a public forum hosted by local 278 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: media India Today. Listen to how he frames his answer 279 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 1: when asked whether he is already looking ahead to elections 280 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty. 281 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 4: Nine twenty nine, You're stuck in twenty twenty nine. I'm 282 00:18:56,520 --> 00:19:02,680 Speaker 4: preparing and planning for twenty five twenty forty seven. 283 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 1: This is the Big Take Asia from Bloomberg News. I'm 284 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: wan Ha. This episode was produced by Young Young and 285 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:24,360 Speaker 1: Naomi Un. It was edited by Caitlin Kenney, Daniel ten Kate, 286 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: Emma O'Brien, Nishantahia and Jeanette Rodriguez. It was mixed by 287 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: Alex Suguiera, Jessica Beck and Blake Maples, who also wrote 288 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:36,399 Speaker 1: our theme music. 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