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Speaker 1: I'm glad we have Deborah Saunders on today because I

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Speaker 1: was decrying the media earlier. Of course, I suppose I

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Speaker 1: do that every day if I were to be honest,

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Speaker 1: but it's too honest. I was tuning into the Trump

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Speaker 1: Hayton channels yesterday, You're MSNBC and your CNN, and they

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Speaker 1: were leading with the Trump story firing the polster or

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Speaker 1: in having his rally but didn't do what a various

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Speaker 1: aid rumored to be thinking of leaving. Yeah, exactly, that's

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Speaker 1: sort of crap, and not leading with the And we're

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Speaker 1: sending a thousand troops to Iran and we've got senators

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Speaker 1: calling for military action, which seems like a pretty big

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Speaker 1: story to me. And it just it just bothers me

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Speaker 1: that we're so obsessed with the daily Trump this and

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Speaker 1: that and pull numbers five hundred days out, that we

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Speaker 1: don't even cover that level of foreign policy story, right,

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Speaker 1: never mind domestic policy and the gigantic elephant in the room,

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Speaker 1: which is debts and deficits. As the Fabulous Devor J.

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Speaker 1: Saunders points out in a rec piece for the Las

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Speaker 1: Vegas Review Journal, the headline is the deficit in media questioning,

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Speaker 1: And I love the first sentence trade secret. We in

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Speaker 1: the news media often hate the media to Deborah J.

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Speaker 1: Saunders joins us. Now, Debora, how are you hello? How

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Speaker 1: are we today? We are fine. Let's all join together

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Speaker 1: and talk about how we hate the media, the media.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's what people don't know. We people can

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Speaker 1: can go after certain news organization and uh, they go

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Speaker 1: after Trump and he talks about figures. But the truth

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Speaker 1: is we hate ourselves to look at the people who

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Speaker 1: do things that we really can't stand. It drives us nuts. Well,

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Speaker 1: I love the example you lead with. You're talking about

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Speaker 1: the Peter G. Peterson Foundations annual summit where CNN Senior

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Speaker 1: Congressional respondent Manu Raju was interviewing Nancy Pelosi. The topic

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Speaker 1: was supposed to be fiscal sustainability. How did that go? Well,

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Speaker 1: he hardly noticed that there is a funny two trillion

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Speaker 1: dollar national debt and we have annual deficits now of

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Speaker 1: a trillion dollars or more. And he just sort of

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Speaker 1: seemed like in the side, all he wanted to do

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Speaker 1: was talk about impeachment, and he wanted to talk about,

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Speaker 1: you know, Trump's tweets and impeachment. That was it. And

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Speaker 1: people and the audience were going nut in Pelosi. Now,

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Speaker 1: let's say that we know that her party is not

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Speaker 1: exactly the party of fiscal prudence, right, and she gets him,

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Speaker 1: but let's talk about the deficit. And he wouldn't do it.

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Speaker 1: He had two questions it had to do with it,

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Speaker 1: and they weren't even that good. But it's really disappointing.

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Speaker 1: But the audience didn't seem to be into the impeachment stuff, no,

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Speaker 1: because this was people were there to discuss federal spending.

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Speaker 1: I love this fiscal sustainability. It's a nice way of saying,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, we're like tons of fifty dollars in

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Speaker 1: debt for every man, woman and child in the country.

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Speaker 1: It is a problem. How are we ever going to

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Speaker 1: pay it back? And it keeps getting bigger every year.

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Speaker 1: It's it's like giving it to major a credit card.

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Speaker 1: And it just was something that barely came up. Well.

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Speaker 1: So I've been just trying to figure out so whether

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Speaker 1: it's politicians or the media, are they are they looking

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Speaker 1: at the ratings or are reading the crowds at all?

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Speaker 1: I mean, if the crowd is not digging it, then

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Speaker 1: maybe that's not what you should be talking about if

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Speaker 1: your ratings are down like they're on MSNBC, maybe talking

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Speaker 1: about still talking about Russian Mueller is not the best

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Speaker 1: way to go. I don't know what's driving this. Well,

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Speaker 1: maybe I could have mentioned that CNN aired about seventeen

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Speaker 1: minutes of that lie. And of course CNN is all

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Speaker 1: about impeachment, about Trump tweets. It's about that Trump. So

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Speaker 1: what did Monta Roger do? He did what the people

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Speaker 1: back in the control room want, and that's Trump, Trump, Trump.

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Speaker 1: And I mean, by the way, there is a Trump issue,

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Speaker 1: it's called the deficit, but that just didn't seem to

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Speaker 1: interest them. It was all about the Trump show. Yeah. Wow.

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Speaker 1: You know it's funny because we've been beaten the draw

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Speaker 1: of the death spit, the deficit in the over spending.

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Speaker 1: We're talking to George Will just a few minutes ago

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Speaker 1: about how of what the government does, we're heaping the

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Speaker 1: bill on the unborn and how utterly utterly immoral that is.

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Speaker 1: But man, I just don't think you can get people

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Speaker 1: been hearing about the deficit thing most of my adult life.

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Speaker 1: We're still fine, We're still spending boring. Well, I'll say this.

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Speaker 1: Aimon Javers interviewed mcmilvanny later, and he is the accent

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Speaker 1: omb director. He knows, he knows the budget in and out,

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Speaker 1: and he gave a really good interview that gone into

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Speaker 1: some of the tweets and and the other issues like that.

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Speaker 1: But it also talked about federal spending and Okay, it's

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Speaker 1: it's a it's a ruthful of policy walks. So obviously

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Speaker 1: in that kind of situation, uh, we're gonna eat it up.

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Speaker 1: But um, I also think tax are sort of wonder hey,

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Speaker 1: they actually might like a discussion about overspending or under taxation,

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Speaker 1: as Nancy Pelosi would put it under taxation. There you go.

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Speaker 1: So I think I think, you know, I think people

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Speaker 1: I can tell you that it was just what the

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Speaker 1: audience was clapping when Pelosi kept saying, oh, a policy question,

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Speaker 1: how did that get in there? Then we're not going

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Speaker 1: for this. And again, I mean, it's not like we

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Speaker 1: we turn on cable news. So why not actually discussed

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Speaker 1: the topic of the summit, which is federal spending? Right? God,

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Speaker 1: you'd think if anybody would or anywhere it would be discussed,

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Speaker 1: that would be a good place. Deborah Saunders, white house

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Speaker 1: correspondent for the Las Vegas Review Journal, on the line,

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Speaker 1: old old, what's her name? Sarah there? Huckaby Saunders taken off?

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Speaker 1: I guess, huh. Now she's a Saunders and she's a

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Speaker 1: Standard and on the Sun you're a she's a Saunders,

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Speaker 1: she's Sanders, right, Sorry, my mistake. And the press secretary

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Speaker 1: who wasn't doing a lot of press secretary and is gone.

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Speaker 1: Does it make any difference that they even need to

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Speaker 1: replace her? Yes, they do. And the question is will

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Speaker 1: the next press secretary do briefings? Um? I tend to

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Speaker 1: think not, at least not a lot. I think the

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Speaker 1: daily briefings are gone. I think whoever the next president

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Speaker 1: is isn't necessarily going to do it. Although you know,

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Speaker 1: I could really be wrong, because why don't we have briefings?

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Speaker 1: I don't believe it, Sarah Sanders for a minute. I

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Speaker 1: believe it's Donald Trump. Donald Trump wants to be his

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Speaker 1: own spokesman. He wants to be his own press sect.

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Speaker 1: Is there any reason why he why why that doesn't

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Speaker 1: make sense? Well, he gives the answers. He often comes

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Speaker 1: out and answers questions for a very long time. Yes,

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Speaker 1: but you can't really have the kind of um uh okay.

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Speaker 1: So he is really accessible. He has pool sprays in

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Speaker 1: all the time, and he talks at length. When he

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Speaker 1: goes to Marine one, he takes questions, but you're not

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Speaker 1: You can't get follow ups when you've got a helicopter

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Speaker 1: in the background and you can't really get into the

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Speaker 1: kind of conversation. George Stephanopolo was, I've had an incredible

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Speaker 1: interview with Trump over thirty hours, and that was that

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Speaker 1: had follow up questions and that got deeper. And when

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Speaker 1: you have a briefing, you sort of have a administrations

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Speaker 1: think about how things are going to be portrayed. I

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Speaker 1: think it does help shape policy, and I think that

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Speaker 1: it's times President Trump would be better served by having

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Speaker 1: someone sort of not gives that pushed snappy answers. He

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Speaker 1: gives for the reason something's happening. And the other thing,

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Speaker 1: of course, is it's not all but unusual for Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump to contradict himself within a paragraph. Very complicated. Debora Saunders,

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Speaker 1: White House correspondent for the Las Vegas Review Journal, on that, Yeah, well, Deborah,

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Speaker 1: it's always fun. Thanks for a couple of minutes, and

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Speaker 1: let's talk again soon. Okay, thank you and FO