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Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre.

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Speaker 2: What is up straight firefam, It's me Jason McIntyre. Straight

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Speaker 2: Fire or Tuesday, August twenty seventh. Got a great guest

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Speaker 2: today for you. He is Mike Sando from The Athletic,

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Speaker 2: the author of the Quarterback Tiers, which always sets off

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Speaker 2: a firestorm among NFL fans right before the season. You know,

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Speaker 2: preseason's over. Not a whole heck of a lot happening.

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Speaker 2: Although we'll have two small items of news I'll get

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Speaker 2: to you in shortly. But the Quarterback Tiers piece does

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Speaker 2: get people fired up. And what's best is our conversation

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Speaker 2: is a good one. We disagree on some stuff and

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Speaker 2: Mike made it sound at the end like, oh, I've

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Speaker 2: got some fresh ideas here. I like this because I

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Speaker 2: just took it in a little different direction. But before

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Speaker 2: we get to that, let's get a couple quick news items.

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Speaker 2: The big news, of course, Malik Willis traded.

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Speaker 3: No, I'm just kidding.

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Speaker 2: Malik Willis did get traded the third round pick from

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Speaker 2: the Titans in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 3: It's funny.

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Speaker 2: You get a new coach in there, Callahan the Joe

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Speaker 2: Burrow Osi and he's.

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Speaker 3: Like, yeah, that's that guy's not for us.

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Speaker 2: So Malik Willis shipped to the Green Bay Packers. He

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Speaker 2: was the quarterback at a Liberty who had really good numbers.

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Speaker 2: But as we're seeing now some of these quarterbacks in

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Speaker 2: the last few years coming out, it's just it ain't happening.

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Speaker 2: It's just Malik will I can't remember any game other

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Speaker 2: than the Chiefs game where he was like, I mean,

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Speaker 2: he was a four for ten for like seven yards,

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Speaker 2: throwing something insane. They just didn't trust him, and that

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Speaker 2: was I think. I don't know if it was last year,

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Speaker 2: two years ago, but basically, Malik Willis hasn't done Jack

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Speaker 2: squat in the NFL. The trade doesn't matter much. The

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Speaker 2: big story is, of course Ceedee Lamb and the Cowboys.

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Speaker 3: Come to an agreement.

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Speaker 2: So Jerry Jones and his.

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Speaker 3: Uh uh not a priority.

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Speaker 2: Whatever it's done, and Ceedee Lamb got paid four years, hundred,

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Speaker 2: thirty six million dollars thirty eight million dollars signing bonus

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Speaker 2: one hundred million dollars guaranteed. Okay, one hundred MILLI guarantee.

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Speaker 2: I just it's tough for me to fathom that. I

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Speaker 2: know some of you guys think, oh, Jay, you're on TV,

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Speaker 2: you're a ball er, blah blah. Trust me, guys, like

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Speaker 2: the idea of oh my gosh, one hundred million dollars guarantee.

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Speaker 2: Now he's putting his life on the line. I'm sure

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Speaker 2: you guys saw the awful story about a high school

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Speaker 2: player who me uh, a high school football player who

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Speaker 2: died of a brain injury suffered during a game. Like yes,

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Speaker 2: I know, we say these guys are putting life and

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Speaker 2: limb on the line, and they are. You're one hit

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Speaker 2: away from potentially being paralyzed. And this quarterback in Alabama

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Speaker 2: injured during a tackle and he died, Like this can happen, man,

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Speaker 2: Now it doesn't happen frequently, but like you know, football

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Speaker 2: is a violent support and I'm happy for Ceede Limb

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Speaker 2: he got paid.

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Speaker 3: Is it an overpay? I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Justin Jefferson's at thirty five million a season, AJ Brown's

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Speaker 2: thirty two and you know you got Amara, Saint Brown,

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Speaker 2: basically ceedde Liam's going to be the second highest paid receiver.

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Speaker 2: So now the ball's in the court of the Bengals

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Speaker 2: and Jamar Chase and the forty nine ers, and I

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Speaker 2: closer to DJ Moore. I think obviously Jim Moore. I

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Speaker 2: would put Jamar Chases as above Ceedee Lamb. I know

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Speaker 2: everybody likes Slam I like him a lot, but Jamar Chases.

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Speaker 2: I mean, now he's got Burrow, whereas Ceedee Lamb has Dak.

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Speaker 2: There's a big gap there, as you'll find out on

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Speaker 2: the quarterback tiers. But just interesting quarterback bubble. I'm you know,

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Speaker 2: I've talked about it all summer. You guys listen to

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Speaker 2: the pod. You know this all summer quarterback bubble is

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Speaker 2: a thing. It is happening. Nobody's I don't think anybody's

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Speaker 2: noticed it. Everybody thinks you must have a wide receiver

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Speaker 2: There's massive group thing happening you when it comes to

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Speaker 2: somebody's gonna upset the apple cart eventually. All right, without

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Speaker 2: further ado, let's get to our guest. Mike Sando of

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Speaker 2: the Athletic.

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Speaker 1: listen live. You know a guy, Jason likes to think

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Speaker 1: he knows everything when it comes to sports. I know

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Speaker 1: what sports dance wants, but for everything he doesn't, he

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Speaker 1: knows the guy who does. Let's just say I.

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Speaker 4: Know a guy who knows the guy who knows another guy.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's welcome into straight fire. A guy who

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Speaker 2: loves to get everybody worked up with the quarterback tears

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Speaker 2: at the Athletic.

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Speaker 3: It came out this week.

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Speaker 2: Some people are fired up. Joe Burrow makes the leap

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Speaker 2: in who's falling? Let's bring in Mike Sando of the Athletic.

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Speaker 3: Mike, how are you?

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Speaker 4: I'm doing well. It's one of my favorite days of

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Speaker 4: the year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can imagine. So let me read just for

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Speaker 2: everybody at home. The panel for who's judging these quarterback

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Speaker 2: tiers consisted of seven gms, eight head coaches, twelve coordinators,

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Speaker 2: twelve executives, eight assistant coaches, and three involved in coaching analytics.

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Speaker 2: I am just curious and I don't know if this

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Speaker 2: is phrased poorly. But why are executives pulled? Is that

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Speaker 4: It could be like a pro personnel director, right, or

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Speaker 4: It could be somebody who oversees the salary cap or

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Speaker 4: something like that. I try to get people that are seasoned,

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Speaker 4: good mix. There really is a good mix of ages

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Speaker 2: Now, unlike a lot of lists Mike, where people will

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Speaker 2: maybe leave someone out or put someone too high just

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Speaker 2: to get you know, oh my gosh, I can't believe

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Speaker 2: Internet list one oh one. It doesn't seem to be

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Speaker 2: the case here, which is great, and obviously polling helps.

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Speaker 2: So the top tier Patrick Mahomes, obviously, Josh Allen, obviously,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there is. So, you know, I spend a couple

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Speaker 4: But then when you show it to a group of

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Speaker 4: you find out what stands out and is crazy to them.

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Speaker 4: And I'm always a little like I read through it

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Speaker 4: sometimes I try to guess, like, Okay, what out of

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Speaker 4: this are people? You know, You're you're too close to

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Speaker 4: So the first thing I got today was Burrow's been

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Speaker 4: hurt too much? When's he going to start to slide?

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Speaker 4: What's going on with him? Defense helped him get to

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Speaker 4: the super Bowl, all these things, like there was people

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Speaker 4: a little sort of glass half emptying him, you know

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Speaker 4: another year where he's hurt, we're going to have that conversation.

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Speaker 4: And that's in the writing of this. But there's a

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Speaker 4: lot of fans out there who were like he should

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't.

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Speaker 2: Those people seem to be overreacting, and listen, I'm the

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Speaker 3: On the herd and all these Bengals fan get worked up.

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Speaker 2: I think he's a top tier quarterback. I don't really

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Speaker 2: He wasn't great last year. He's had some issues at

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Speaker 2: the beginning of seasons. But I mean, are we just

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Speaker 2: going to forget how he just dismembered the forty nine

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Speaker 2: ers last year in a vintage Burrow performance and then

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Speaker 2: took apart the bills like he is incredible? Now, I'm

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Speaker 2: sure some people were worked up about Lamar Jackson not

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Speaker 2: being in the second tier it's last.

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Speaker 3: Tier, Yeah, what's that?

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Speaker 4: Or not being in the first tier?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because he was the MVP. But Mike, you know this,

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Speaker 3: Lamar didn't have a great year last year.

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Speaker 4: I know it was such a hard thing to try

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Speaker 4: I just think, Okay, this guy was on the best

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Speaker 4: team let him in, passing, let him and rushing, and

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Speaker 4: he's an integral part of what they do. But it

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Speaker 4: washing nowhere close to his MVP season of twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 4: I think it's perfect, though. I think it's perfect that

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Speaker 4: it's a smaller Tier one, so he's not behind Herbert, Okay,

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Speaker 4: he's not behind some of these other guys. I think

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Speaker 4: that was frustrating for Lamar fans in the past, some

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Speaker 4: these guys that are not in Tier one have some

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Speaker 4: reps please, that are successful when you have to pass.

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Speaker 4: They spent to his credit and to their defensive credit,

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Speaker 4: they're always ahead by a lot. But when they got

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Speaker 4: to play Kansas City, we're behind. It was didn't look

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Speaker 4: as good, and he has struggled in the playoffs partly

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Speaker 4: because of that. The game, at its hardest for quarterbacks

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Speaker 4: gets reduced to having to pass when they know you're

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Speaker 4: going to pass. It doesn't mean he's not a good passer,

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Speaker 4: in that format, he's easily Tier one easily. I mean,

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Speaker 4: he's up there with Alan and Burrow in my opinion

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Speaker 4: in this poll if that were to happen. But I

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Speaker 4: think it's just a perfect line because that line exists

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Speaker 4: for a reason, and he's.

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Speaker 3: The next guy.

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Speaker 4: He's a top five quarterback, he's fourth, so you can't

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Speaker 4: complain too much about that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is weird. That was it a Sunday night

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Speaker 2: or Monday night game against the Niners where Purdy had

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Speaker 2: like three picks in the first half. It felt like

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Speaker 2: that was for the MVP because if you remember, Perdy

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Speaker 2: it was like Okay, Lamar's the MVP, and I think

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Speaker 4: Kirk Cousins has always been on that border line of

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Speaker 4: there's different ways to play the quarterback position, and Lamar

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you said you have to pay him. Why

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Speaker 4: they're onto it. I don't think he's going to be

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Speaker 3: For Love?

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Speaker 4: I think though with Tua, people say, yeah, he's got

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Speaker 4: where's two of going?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, do fish?

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Speaker 3: What's the market? Oh?

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Speaker 2: been longing a big new deal. He has not gotten it,

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Speaker 2: That's not how you build a team. Everybody knows that now,

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Speaker 2: So I don't see the Raiders saying hey, instead of

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Speaker 4: I do. Oh yeah, I think we are to get

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Speaker 3: Forty or forty five a year.

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Speaker 4: When he first started, he got I meant.

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Speaker 4: Oh this deal, yeah, this deal did not put him

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Speaker 4: I mean it's rare to get in that manner. Sometimes

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Speaker 4: I think a Dak Prescott could command more. Now, we

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Speaker 4: don't know if that's the number one most important thing

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Speaker 4: And he's in a right because he's in a great situation.

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Speaker 4: I feel like this offseason kind of with McCarthy, Jerry's

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Speaker 4: I think he would resign Deck for the right number.

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Speaker 4: I think if both sides, I think I could. I

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Speaker 2: I guess the tricky part with Dak is it's like Okay,

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Speaker 3: Am I really?

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Speaker 2: If you're paying fifty five MILLI a year for Dak Prescott,

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Speaker 3: Nine ten wins?

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Speaker 1: In the division.

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Speaker 2: And that's why even I don't know could Sorry.

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Speaker 3: With a stay at him.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but don't you think you can get more when

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Speaker 3: But that's the thing.

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Speaker 3: The Vikings really didn't want to pay him.

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Speaker 4: He's thirty six.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Mike, if if, if that happens, you can

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Speaker 4: I see what did you see what Deshaun Watson got?

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Speaker 4: Last couple of years. They've had a good defense. I

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Speaker 4: will say it's crazy that they have the second most

435
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Speaker 4: wins the last three years to Kansas City, but just

436
00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:01,800
Speaker 4: haven't pushed in the playoffs.

437
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Speaker 2: So that's dominating not higher Yeah regular season bully, right. Yeah,

438
00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:08,720
Speaker 2: Now that he came in ahead of Jalen Hurts on

439
00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:11,840
Speaker 2: the tiers, I feel like Hurts is So two years

440
00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:13,879
Speaker 2: ago he goes to the Super Bowl and I'm pretty

441
00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,800
Speaker 2: sure off that everybody thought Jalen Hurts is the man.

442
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Speaker 2: Was he tier one or no?

443
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Speaker 4: No, he was tier two. So here's Dak. Just Dak's

444
00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:24,159
Speaker 4: like a plane going along at thirty five thousand feet, right,

445
00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:26,040
Speaker 4: and then he's been doing that for seven eight years.

446
00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,080
Speaker 4: No one's coming up this year and going, here's what

447
00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:30,159
Speaker 4: I think of Dak as different? Right, everyone thinks the

448
00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:33,440
Speaker 4: same thing. He's a good, solid tier two guy going

449
00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:36,639
Speaker 4: at thirty five thousand feet and Jalen Hurts was a

450
00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:39,000
Speaker 4: guy at ten thousand feet. And then Jalen Hurts kind

451
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Speaker 4: of went like this but then dipped down to thirty,

452
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Speaker 4: you know, So that's all it was. He came up.

453
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Speaker 4: But then last year, you know, there's questions, and I

454
00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:52,000
Speaker 4: think there's still questions about the you know, the team

455
00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:54,399
Speaker 4: in terms of its offensive philosophy and how it meshes

456
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Speaker 4: with him. His ability, like we talked about, you know,

457
00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:58,800
Speaker 4: with some of these other guys to handle the peer

458
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Speaker 4: passing situations look very good. Last year. Clearly he made

459
00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,639
Speaker 4: strides from what he was before and showed he can

460
00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:06,919
Speaker 4: be a good passer of the football. But when he

461
00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,080
Speaker 4: had to do it, it didn't look as good and

462
00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:11,840
Speaker 4: sometimes it looked really bad. So how do you feel

463
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Speaker 4: about where they're at? Just his you know, Shane Stike

464
00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:19,040
Speaker 4: and ut there a coordinator change, you bring in Vic Fangio.

465
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Speaker 4: There's just a lot of Kelsey retires. Maybe the tush

466
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Speaker 4: push isn't is good. Maybe there's more on the quarterback's

467
00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:27,399
Speaker 4: plate in terms of managing in the game without the

468
00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,720
Speaker 4: fifteen year center, right, there's just a to me, there's

469
00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:33,080
Speaker 4: a lot of ways that place could be harder for

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Speaker 4: him to do as well.

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Speaker 3: People forget. I know it ended badly.

476
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Speaker 2: They were ten and one last year, and I know

477
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Speaker 2: some of that was luck involved, but they started ten

478
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Speaker 2: in one and I was like, Jalen Hurts is really good.

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Speaker 2: I feel like he's a little almost undervalued, although I

480
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Speaker 2: will say in Tier three two was at the top,

481
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Speaker 2: followed by Trevor Lawrence, who dropped down a tear and

482
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Speaker 2: Lawrence feels like a polarizing guy all of a sudden

483
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Speaker 2: because he hasn't lived up to generational number one pick.

484
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Speaker 3: Blah blah blah.

485
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Speaker 4: He feels low to me, like, I'm surprised there's not

486
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Speaker 4: more people saying maybe it's just this Jacksonville, you know.

487
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Speaker 4: But I felt like if I could, if I would

488
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Speaker 4: have seen this in advance, I would say, ooh, that's

489
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Speaker 4: quite a bit of a dip for Trevor. Lawrence went

490
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Speaker 4: down seven spots in the rankings in one year, don't

491
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Speaker 4: we know. They were eight and three, and he was

492
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Speaker 4: doing decently and then he had a series of injuries,

493
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Speaker 4: you know too, two three injuries that really affected him probably,

494
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Speaker 4: But there's also I think people are wondering, there, Okay,

495
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Speaker 4: who's calling the plays, how's this going to look at?

496
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Speaker 4: Why doesn't look a little bit better than it does

497
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Speaker 4: than it did? And they fired the defensive staff. The

498
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Speaker 4: defense was pretty good, So that's interesting with him. I

499
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Speaker 4: think with your question on Stike, and I think it's

500
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Speaker 4: a big deal. I think we even saw last year.

501
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Speaker 4: I think Stiken did a good job with the game

502
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Speaker 4: plans and seems to do a really good job with

503
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Speaker 4: getting the style of offense right for the quarterback. If

504
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Speaker 4: Anthony Richardson doesn't make it an Indy. I don't think

505
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Speaker 4: it's because of Stich and I think it'll be because,

506
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,360
Speaker 4: you know, either he was too raw, or the injuries

507
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Speaker 4: continue being a problem with that style of play or whatever. Right,

508
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 4: he showed a little bit of a lack of awareness

509
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 4: sometimes running and took some big hits. I don't think

510
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 4: it'll be for the offensive design. I think Stichen's good

511
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Speaker 4: at that.

512
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Speaker 2: I'm looking down at the bottom of Tier three and

513
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 2: it's like Deshaun Watson, who you alluded to.

514
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Speaker 3: He just continues to free.

515
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Speaker 2: Fall, don't What do you think I mean, do you

516
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,680
Speaker 2: think that the personal issues taking a year off all

517
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 2: that got to him? Because the only potential parallel was

518
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Speaker 2: when Leveon Bell took a year off. Remember he thought

519
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Speaker 2: he was hot stuff and he's like, oh, I'm just

520
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 2: going to get my money, and then he comes back

521
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 2: totally washed and it's like, oh my gosh. Now Watson

522
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 2: was younger and played a different position, but for whatever reason,

523
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 2: he cannot get his act together. And he's got a

524
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Speaker 2: great head coach.

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Speaker 4: I'd say a couple I do think there's something to

526
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Speaker 4: what you're saying. I want to talk about that but

527
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,119
Speaker 4: I would say his he has said some injuries, and

528
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 4: then we've also they have a new offensive coordint of

529
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 4: this year, even though it's obviously Kevin Stepansky's offense. I

530
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 4: think play action system kind of RPO quarterback that was

531
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,120
Speaker 4: one of the points at up hasn't been a great fit.

532
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Speaker 4: But I think there has to be something on a

533
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Speaker 4: human level. And and just the way are the complicated

534
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,120
Speaker 4: ways in which our minds and just with the way

535
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Speaker 4: we respond think of this. All of whatever he had

536
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Speaker 4: going on clearly shows that there was some things out

537
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Speaker 4: of control probably in his life, right, there were some things.

538
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 4: That's not a good sign. I don't you know the

539
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Speaker 4: degree of the degree of guilt or whatever. I'm not

540
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Speaker 4: talking about that. Just all of that stuff going on

541
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 4: shows there's stuff under the surface that wouldn't be helpful

542
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Speaker 4: for maximizing performance. Then you really sort of become a

543
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Speaker 4: bit of a pariah, so that people don't even like

544
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Speaker 4: you anymore. And that's a big that's a big that's

545
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Speaker 4: a big deal though, like to people, like how you

546
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Speaker 4: feel about going a your day, Like some people can

547
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 4: get down if people on social media are being mean

548
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 4: to him or whatever, Right, that's a part of the mindset.

549
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 4: And then by the way, we're going to give you

550
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Speaker 4: a fully guaranteed contract that you get the money no

551
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Speaker 4: matter what. So that's a big that's a lot of

552
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Speaker 4: stuff going on that if that was going on for

553
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Speaker 4: a lot of people at age twenty five, twenty seven

554
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 4: or whatever, you might not get peak performance. Yeah, and

555
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,160
Speaker 4: then you sit out as long as you did too.

556
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:34,439
Speaker 4: He's lost something, you know, he's lost something, and I

557
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 4: almost feel like, I'm not sure he's gonna get it back.

558
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 4: And I look at these tiers and see like I

559
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 4: almost wonder at he's in the middle of tier three,

560
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 4: Like is that almost too high? Oh?

561
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Speaker 3: Oh jeez, yeah, when's the lot?

562
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 4: Well, how can we react, Like, when's the last time

563
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 4: he's played good ball?

564
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 2: I think he had one good game last year. Maybe

565
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 2: it was the Bengals game, I don't know, or some

566
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:56,919
Speaker 2: it was one game where he was Oh maybe it

567
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 2: was a Ravens game and he was really good. But

568
00:25:58,800 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 2: I think that was a game he got hurt in

569
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:02,640
Speaker 2: and then he's like, oh, yeah, it's gonna be fine.

570
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 2: Then he's like no out for the season. I don't

571
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 2: know what to make of Watson is something's off The

572
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:11,400
Speaker 2: other guy don't totally understand is Kyler Murray, who, Yeah,

573
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 2: you know, sometimes the news comes out on somebody and

574
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 2: it's so damaging that you cannot remove it from your analysis.

575
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 2: And I'm of the belief, Mike, that the homework clause

576
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 2: really killed Kyler Murray's value. It's really tough to respect

577
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,439
Speaker 2: someone who gets sent home a computer with stuff to

578
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 2: look at and then doesn't open the computer all season,

579
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 2: and the staff knows it because their IT team could see, Yeah,

580
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 2: he's not looked at any of these videos. Like, how

581
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 2: do you get past that?

582
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Speaker 3: That's your star quarterback?

583
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 4: Right? The only way you get past that is by

584
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,439
Speaker 4: playing really well and showing people that you're not that way,

585
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 4: and that just doesn't happen overnight. I feel like his

586
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,199
Speaker 4: evil in this thing was kind of incomplete and disappointing

587
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 4: to me, Like I wish that we had some new

588
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 4: thing to say about Kyler, but you know, he was

589
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 4: out with the injury, then he came back and did okay.

590
00:26:57,920 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 4: I think there's generally a good feeling around with the

591
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 4: trying to do offensively there with their coordinator and that

592
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 4: I think, I know there's optimism in Arizona they're feeling

593
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 4: good about it kind of behind the scenes. But he

594
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,880
Speaker 4: just needs to play for a season and play well.

595
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,120
Speaker 4: That's how you change the narrative. Until then, you're right,

596
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 4: that thing of the homework is just kind of there.

597
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 4: Maybe he can overcome that by just maturing and playing

598
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 4: really good ball. He hasn't done that, so we're kind

599
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 4: of waiting. He hasn't had a chance either, so we'll

600
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 4: see it this year.

601
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Speaker 2: I mean, again, Mike, this is kind of a bigger

602
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 2: picture thing, but like, Okay, Patrick Mahomes has Andy Reid, right,

603
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes and plus Andy Reid equals all time greatness.

604
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,719
Speaker 2: Josh Allen doesn't really have anyone he had dable as

605
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 2: a OC, So I'm kind of a little more impressed

606
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 2: with Alan Burrows OC. I mean, nobody special. But then

607
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 2: you see like, oh, well mcveigh's got a guy in there.

608
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 3: Who's the near the top of Ben Johnson.

609
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, so like some of these quarterbacks have really good

610
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 2: offensive and you know Tua there in tier three. It's like, okay,

611
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 2: he has Mike McDaniel. Okay, great, yo, what if Tua

612
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 2: had I don't know, Nathaniel.

613
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 3: Hackett, Like he's probably not even in the league, right, so.

614
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 4: Totally, Well, he was going out of the league when

615
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 4: he had before, when the previous stets there.

616
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was ugly and like Kirk Cousins has kind

617
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 2: of bounced around, and then then you have my guy

618
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 2: brock Perty and I will always be a champion hip

619
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 2: for him. I like the underdog story. I know people

620
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 2: want to say it's Shanahan Mike. I know you know

621
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 2: we're not talking contracts as much, but I think Perdy

622
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 2: to me is maybe the most fascinating quarterback this season

623
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 2: because he's looking to get paid after the season. And

624
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 2: I don't know where you are on this, I know,

625
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 2: but sounds like, based on your Dak comments, you pay

626
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 2: the quarterback guy.

627
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 3: I just let the idea.

628
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Speaker 4: Oh no, no, no, I'm telling what I said about

629
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 4: Dak was that I think that he will get paid.

630
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 4: What I don't like as much from a team standpoint.

631
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Speaker 4: A lot of times we analyze these things from a

632
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 4: team standpoint, right player, I want everybody to get paid,

633
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 4: But if I'm building a team and we're talking about

634
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 4: strategies for teams, I would like to easier than them.

635
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 4: But I would like to say to to hey, we

636
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 4: think you're a really great fit for our system.

637
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 3: We don't.

638
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 4: Just in all due respect, we think there's a huge

639
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 4: gap between mahomes and almost the rest of the league.

640
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 4: But even between you and and Josh all you tell

641
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 4: you maybe you're saying this to the agent in the negotiation,

642
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 4: there's differences here, and we think that the benefit here

643
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 4: in Miami is a little bit more mutual, right, it's

644
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 4: a little bit more equal that. Hey, you're great for

645
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 4: what we want to do, don't get me wrong, but

646
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 4: you're not carrying the whole thing the way Josh Allen

647
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 4: is going to be asked to do, or a Mahomes can.

648
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 4: And so we would love to pay you instead of

649
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Speaker 4: here where you know, the top of the market is.

650
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Speaker 4: We'd like to pay you here. And so how's forty

651
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 4: two a year or whatever it is. And then what

652
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 4: happens is if we go all nope, sorry, the market's

653
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 4: fifty five. Okay, you think, so you want to go

654
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 4: somewhere else and get it, But the teams don't want

655
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 4: our risk upsetting and having it be an issue, so

656
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 4: they pay the price just to get it done. And

657
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 4: then you know, life pretty much goes on.

658
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Speaker 2: So that's where the party one comes in. I love

659
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 2: brock Purdy's story. I love him at his salary as

660
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 2: everybody would. Mike, I'm going to be honest. I am

661
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 2: of the belief that the Niners should have drafted a

662
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 2: quarterback this past year. I think you should take one

663
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 2: every year because I somebody smart is eventually going to

664
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 2: do it. You're going to win a bunch with your

665
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 2: quarterback on the rookie deal, and at the end of it,

666
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 2: when he asks for top of the market money, you

667
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 2: move on from him. Trust your system, the infrastructure, and

668
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 2: you just put in a new quarterback and make it work.

669
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 2: I thought Pennix could have been that guy in Miami

670
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 2: filling in for tu I'm not.

671
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 3: Paying to a fifty three million a year whatever.

672
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,959
Speaker 2: Why not put Pennix, a veteran college quarterback, slide him

673
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 2: in lefty right can easily get the system. I thought

674
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 2: that would have made sense. But like you said, people

675
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 2: are afraid to upset the apple cart, and it sounds

676
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 2: like maybe you don't think any executive would roll the

677
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 2: dice with something like that.

678
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 4: Well, you mentioned the forty nine ers. There's few organizations

679
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 4: that are strong enough to do that. It's really hard.

680
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 4: As a GM to go to your owner in a

681
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 4: lot of teams and say, our guy's not that guy

682
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 4: we took in the top five, he's not really all

683
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 4: that great. Let's just move on from him after year.

684
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 4: And the owner's going, we're selling tickets around this being

685
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 4: a championship run, Right, you want to bring in a rookie, right,

686
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 4: Nobody wants to do that. But the forty nine ERDs

687
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 4: are a little bit different that way. I feel like

688
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 4: Shanahan's obviously a difference maker as an offensive coach, and

689
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 4: he's a strong personality, and so you know, maybe they

690
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 4: could be the type of team to do that. It's

691
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 4: also the easier said than done to just uproot your

692
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 4: starting quarterback, right, It's just kind of it's sort of

693
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 4: one of those things that makes great sense in theory,

694
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,120
Speaker 4: but it's a It is a business of people, and

695
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 4: it's a business with how you treat people to some degree,

696
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 4: and what more could you have asked that rock party

697
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 4: to have done? If you're there, if you're in that

698
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 4: locker room and you say, oh, if this guy came

699
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 4: in here and did everything right, and he led the

700
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 4: league and this and that, and we're just kicking him

701
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 4: with the curb. What does that say about me? What

702
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 4: does that say about the thing we got going here?

703
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 4: When coach talks about you know, when coach Mike McDaniel

704
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 4: talks about what we've got going here with Tua is

705
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 4: he is he not really believe that? Because we're now

706
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 4: kicking on the curb, right.

707
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 2: You know that that's the tough part that is difficult

708
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 2: to navigate. You just have to be a little cold

709
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 2: blooded and be like, listen, this is a business. We

710
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 2: can win with Rock Party on his rookie deal. We

711
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 2: can't win when we're paying fifty five mil and have

712
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 2: to jettison three other starters.

713
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 4: You know, that's why we have the best jobs in

714
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 4: the whole thing, because we get to make all these

715
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 4: tough decisions with no consequences, nos, accountability none. I can't

716
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 4: say what Chris Greer should do, John Lynch, And it's

717
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 4: super easy.

718
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 3: It's easy.

719
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

720
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 2: The the Trey Lance one is super interesting.

721
00:32:59,320 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 4: You're right.

722
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 2: They traded up to make him their guy. He fits

723
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 2: our system, he's perfect. Oh wait a minute, this ain't

724
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 2: the dude. And to move off of him so quickly

725
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 2: was so genius. I saw him throw five picks over

726
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 2: the weekend for the uh, I know, for the Cowboys,

727
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 2: and it's like, well.

728
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 3: Damn, Trey Lance going to be out a league in

729
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 3: a year or two. So, I mean, he might be right.

730
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 4: That's rights. That takes, you know, it takes a lot

731
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 4: OF's a lot of people in the legue go oh.

732
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 4: I would have been fired if that happened, you know,

733
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 4: if we did that. And they're probably right, but you know,

734
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 4: they have a little bit of strength there in that organization,

735
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 4: and certainly they recognize what the difference maker Kyle Shanahan

736
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 4: is and and they've got one of the best records

737
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 4: in the league since doing that deal, even though look

738
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 4: at a lot of their first round picks haven't been

739
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 4: amazing first round picks, but they've always been there in

740
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 4: the end, all right.

741
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 2: Mike Sando the athletic, the quarterback tears polarizing brock Perty

742
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 2: makes the biggest leap with Jordan Love.

743
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 3: Baker Mayfield makes a loop. We didn't even talk about him.

744
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 3: I don't know. We'll see how much of that was doing.

745
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 4: Let's see this next year. Let's see him do it again.

746
00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I would say Bryce Young is more likely

747
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 2: to make a leap this year than Baker Mayfield duplicating

748
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 2: what he did, would you agree?

749
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 4: I don't know about that. I mean, I think Baker

750
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 4: has played, has had good seasons when healthy for two

751
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 4: different teams that won divisions. Yeah, they had pretty good defenses,

752
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:19,439
Speaker 4: probably too, But I think Baker's I think Baker's pretty good.

753
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 4: But he does have to kind of put it together

754
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 4: more than one year at a time.

755
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, certainly, all right, buddy, thanks for taking the time.

756
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 2: Enjoy the upcoming season.

757
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 4: Man, this is great, really a fun discussion. Thank you.