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Speaker 1: Rene before we start, because I know you're gonna have

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, about.

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Speaker 1: What you've done for the last couple of days. I

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Speaker 1: moments ago walking from the subway to this studio to

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Speaker 1: record this podcast episode with you. A massive star sighting.

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Speaker 1: Oh massive, F Murray Abraham. Who F Murray Abraham?

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Speaker 2: Huge stuff people huge?

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I don't know who it is. Did

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Speaker 1: you ever see Ama Dais? Uh? Yeah, like one hundred

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Speaker 1: years he played Saliary. He was in Homeland. He's amazing.

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Speaker 2: Maybe in Homeland.

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Speaker 1: He was in Homeland. He was he was in Homeland.

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Speaker 1: He was the the double agent for like three seasons.

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Speaker 1: He was like the fixer. That photo you'd not recognize.

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Speaker 1: I know straight away he's got kind of a famous friar. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: he's cool. I took it everything I had not to

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Speaker 1: announce F Mary Abraham and then just put my hand

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Speaker 1: American actor. Oh there he is stage and screen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got the guy with the really bad.

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Speaker 1: Like he's got an Academy Award, he's got a Tony

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Speaker 1: he's probably gone, you got mm hmmm, he probably got it.

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Speaker 1: Well, Amadis is a great movie if you want to.

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Speaker 1: Well, now I know we're going to be talking to you.

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Speaker 2: So people know this is a common occurrence in New

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Speaker 1: But Murray Abraham is very quid. Okay, all right, all right.

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Speaker 2: So all right here we go. Hi everybody, and welcome

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Speaker 2: to the Renee Stubs Tennis Podcast. It is not you know,

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Speaker 2: e News Network. Okay, I want to turn it into.

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Speaker 1: That f Maury Abraham or podcast.

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Speaker 2: Or the WNBA. But let me start ladies and gentlemen,

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Speaker 2: people in between and all of those on the earth.

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Speaker 2: You know how big a fan I am of the

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Speaker 2: New York Liberty. You know how much of a fan.

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Speaker 2: I am now of the WNBA so much so that

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Speaker 2: I went to Vegas to watch the Liberty play when

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Speaker 2: they played against the Aces. I went to minni Appolis,

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Speaker 2: Minnesota to watch them play the Links. I saw that

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Speaker 2: And then the heartbreak of losing that game in Minneapolis,

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Speaker 2: Well when we lost, So it wasn't a very cheerful flight.

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Speaker 1: That actually is very unsafe for that. Because I was wondering.

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Speaker 2: You can play a defense without your legs because you

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Speaker 2: Just like in tennis, you know, the Grand Slams are

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Speaker 1: Well they really should have and you know, look, we

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Speaker 2: Why not now, Caitlin, I did throw out the tweet

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Speaker 2: Last night, Yeah, last night, it was a more demure

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Speaker 1: Sure, okay, good luck, I'm all ready for that.

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Speaker 1: I know someone who wants to get in top shape

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Speaker 1: for a tournament of Thanksgiving. Spoiler, it's me. What would

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Speaker 2: it looks so easy because they do it a billion

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Speaker 1: Practice, so they're fit.

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Speaker 2: You know, if you can't go to the gym and

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Speaker 1: My answer is going to be meldonium. I think it's

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Speaker 2: Hurt Can you not please?

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Speaker 1: It's not illegal.

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Speaker 2: I no, it's not illegal, but it's a heart drug,

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Speaker 1: I'm not doing it's not FDA approved.

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Speaker 1: you to steal? You're welcome. How did tennis players know

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Speaker 2: I have to say, you know, back to my liberty again.

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Speaker 2: I felt, and I think it was worse because I

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Speaker 2: She's like, nobody actually wants that. Don't nobody wants to

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Speaker 2: You can get the win, you take it.

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Speaker 1: Is this why everyone's eating you know, like faster's yew,

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Speaker 2: your muscles aren't firing the same, So that's why you

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Speaker 2: see players doing those little gel roles on the court.

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Speaker 1: Well, the segues perfectly into the next question from Dnaaltes

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Speaker 1: Judith stealing the analyts essentially had the same question, which

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Speaker 1: is what do you eat? And obviously when doer you

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Speaker 1: get it? We addressed the when, but what easy to

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Speaker 1: digest that.

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Speaker 2: I'll give you a funny. I did see Carlos Alcaraz

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Speaker 2: just pound down a cheeseburger at the French Open a

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Speaker 2: couple of years ago. And it was not before a match,

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Speaker 2: but it was like maybe the day after or the

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Speaker 2: day of practice, and I thought, oh man, what it

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Speaker 2: wouldn't be to be nineteen years of age again and

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Speaker 2: just one of them down, like.

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Speaker 1: No big deal, burning ten thousand calories.

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Speaker 2: Well, I do think it's the year he started cramping

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Speaker 2: against Novak, so he probably needs to changes interesting his

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Speaker 2: eating habits. But most of the time players will eat

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Speaker 2: pasta very plain maybe a little bit of tomato sauce,

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Speaker 2: not very much. They'll have it with butter, salt and

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Speaker 2: pepper and rice with you know, chicken, or it's very plain.

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Speaker 2: You know, Carbohydrates is very important, particularly the night before.

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Speaker 1: It seems like the sushi is always popular.

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Speaker 2: It's rice, it's carbs in the rice.

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Speaker 1: When I've been into the player dining in some of

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Speaker 1: these tournaments, the sushi is like always a fast cutter

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Speaker 1: and Also, people are drinking a lot of smoothies.

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Speaker 2: It's yeah, I mean, but the most important thing really

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Speaker 2: is carbohydrates, long, long day, night before day of just

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Speaker 2: something you can put in your stomach, because honestly, it's

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Speaker 2: really hard to eat when you're that nervous. I mean,

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Speaker 2: just everybody knows what that feels like when you're really

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Speaker 2: nervous and it's hard to eat. So simple speaking stomach,

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Speaker 2: I'm hungry.

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Speaker 1: It's going to make it into the read the next one.

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Speaker 2: I can't.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'll read it. Maggie says, please share your thoughts

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Speaker 1: about pumping money into events like six Kings Slam. Two

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Speaker 1: of those invited were not kings. By the way, I

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Speaker 1: guess we're talking about Runa and Medvedev. I feel like

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Speaker 1: Medvedev is a king. He has a slam nole whore of.

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Speaker 2: Much we paid attention.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the potential fifth Slam in South Arabia. I

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Speaker 1: can't get excited by Exos and I just didn't sit

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Speaker 1: right the last three of the Big Four. Their match

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Speaker 1: was played in Riod. I mean, listen, I don't like

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Speaker 1: Exos either, so I get why you don't care that much. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: we can't be bothered to know who played out of it.

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Speaker 1: But I also, you know, I get why players are

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Speaker 1: traveling around the world to get money and play tournaments

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Speaker 1: in front of people who want to pay them to

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Speaker 1: watch matches. I think for I'm sort of ignoring the

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Speaker 1: Saudi part of the question because I clearly I don't

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Speaker 1: I don't know what I think about it, honestly. But

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Speaker 1: I also think that there should be more Slams. I

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Speaker 1: think more as we have four, that's enough. I don't agree,

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Speaker 1: and I in fact think that either the Slams should

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Speaker 1: take a less vaunted position on the calendar, or we

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Speaker 1: should promote other tournaments. But I think we should have.

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Speaker 2: No you have to have the special tournaments. It's the

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Speaker 2: same in golf.

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Speaker 1: Well, you're not letting me finish my point. I think

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Speaker 1: if you make a schedule where there are ten tournaments,

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Speaker 1: they're all equally important, everyone has to play, they're all dual,

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Speaker 1: that's a better schedule. It's better, it's a better season.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't take anyway anything from any particular tournament. Look

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Speaker 1: at the the way f one does. It's it's you know, uh,

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Speaker 1: it's there's newer events where it's.

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Speaker 2: In price every week one, correct.

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Speaker 1: I'm not one match. No, I'm not saying I don't

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Speaker 1: know why I think I would say that. I think

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Speaker 1: I want ten tournaments total, all equally important, so that

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Speaker 1: there's not a too long of a schedule, and so

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Speaker 1: that it's also an important And I will point you

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Speaker 1: to the fact that for a long time the Australian

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Speaker 1: Open was not considered a Grand Slam, and it got promoted,

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Speaker 1: and so for me, okay, the Italian Open, the Canadian Open.

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Speaker 2: The Central Asian Open was always a major, sure.

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Speaker 1: But also so was the Canadian Open, and so was

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Speaker 1: the Italian Open.

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Speaker 2: Which was why Margaret Court has like more right than.

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Speaker 1: Serena correct, and she shouldn't because that was a tournament

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Speaker 1: that wasn't up on the level. So for me, it's

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Speaker 1: more about parody.

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Speaker 2: Well, it was just people didn't go to it, So

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Speaker 2: technically they could have gone to it. They just chose

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Speaker 2: not to because they were playing like World Team Tennis,

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Speaker 2: because it was paying them ten times more money.

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Speaker 1: That's why, which is actually sort of relevant to this question,

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Speaker 1: which is xos versus schedule. I think if you fix

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Speaker 1: the schedule, you'll still have players doing exhibitions, but actually

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Speaker 1: there'll be a lot healthier, happier, and less likely to

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Speaker 1: want to go grab the bag in a meaningless exhibition

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Speaker 1: if their schedule made sense and if people were guaranteed

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Speaker 1: to watch it and be involved in it. So I

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Speaker 1: actually think the whole schedule should have an overhaul.

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Speaker 2: I think the schedule needs an overhaul. We've talked about that,

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Speaker 2: and I agree with you. But the importance of those

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Speaker 2: for majors makes tennis, makes those events so important to players,

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Speaker 2: Like I can just tell you right now, I want

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Speaker 2: to win. I wanted to win every tournament I played,

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Speaker 2: but the importance and the and the specialness of winning

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Speaker 2: a major is just it's second to none.

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Speaker 1: But I also think that's generationally different. Like I think

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Speaker 1: if you were to ask Martina to radelover who has

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Speaker 1: the most tournament wins of anybody, if the majors were

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Speaker 1: more important than the tournaments, I don't know, Maybe she

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Speaker 1: said yes, Maybe she's she wouldn't. Maybe she say I

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Speaker 1: was actually focused on winning every single tournament I entered,

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Speaker 1: which is why I have the winningest record in all tournaments.

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Speaker 2: I can tell you Martina will say, no, I'll choose

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Speaker 2: all my majors over all my tournaments.

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Speaker 1: I think there should be ten majors, and I think

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Speaker 1: that they should be spread out geographically.

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Speaker 2: No, Okay, let's agree to disagree, because that is just

547
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Speaker 2: absolutely stupid.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's also just like things. I don't you you,

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Speaker 1: I mean you.

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Speaker 2: Your issue is that you have a big you have

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Speaker 2: a pushback on the slams.

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Speaker 1: No, it's not that. Actually, I like to say.

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Speaker 2: On their control of the two are a little bit.

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Speaker 1: I think that there's some administrative things that get lessened

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Speaker 1: if you loosen the power of you deconcentrate the power

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Speaker 1: in a few hands. But also, I'm not somebody who

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Speaker 1: thinks history is prologue. Like I've said this to you

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Speaker 1: many times. When you were like, they can't move the

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Speaker 1: French open to October, It's like, well they did, anybody correct?

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Speaker 1: But my point is anybody can do anything. It doesn't

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Speaker 1: matter anything. Chaos is a ladder. You can remake things

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Speaker 1: as you want to. And up until one hundred and

563
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Speaker 1: fifty years ago, we lived on a flat earth that

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Speaker 1: was controlled by divine blood. Right, we can do whatever

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Speaker 1: we want, and the tours should and can adapt to

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Speaker 1: the to the audience demands. Yes, history matters, and yes.

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Speaker 2: The it all the time. The Grand Slams of now

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Speaker 2: moving to correct.

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Speaker 1: But I would love for there to be a Grand

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Speaker 1: Slam in Asia. I would love for them to be

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Speaker 1: a Grand Slam in South America. I would love for

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Speaker 1: there to be a Grand Slam. It's gonna happen, probably

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Speaker 1: in our lifetimes in the Middle East. Like geographic diversity matters, there.

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Speaker 2: Is a Grand Slam as it's called Oceania Australia.

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Speaker 3: Sure, okay, all right, let's move on.

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Speaker 1: You're going to get some blowback from every Asian person

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Speaker 1: who resents ocean fame.

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Speaker 2: Sure, that's why we anyway, can't move on. Sometimes we've

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Speaker 2: got to agree to disagree, which is normal for US. Jordan asks,

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Speaker 2: if Andy Murray pivots to coaching, who do you think

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Speaker 2: would be a good fit for him? What elements, mate, thanks,

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Speaker 2: make for a good coach player dynamic?

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Speaker 1: I love this question.

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Speaker 2: All right, I'll answer this one a little bit, Andy Murray,

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Speaker 2: he would be great coaching anyone. This guy knows tennis

586
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Speaker 2: like the back of his hand. He knows emotion, and

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Speaker 2: I think it's really good. He's just pulling me a

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Speaker 2: glass of water in the middle of this.

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Speaker 1: It's not to pour somebody else, firsity, hell nice, anyway,

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Speaker 1: You're welcome.

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Speaker 2: Professional. He would be great coaching anyone female or male

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Speaker 2: because he just has a great tennis mind. He also

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Speaker 2: is a very was a very emotional player, and I

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Speaker 2: think that you know, he would be very empathetic to

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Speaker 2: a player's you know dis you know, tough times out

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Speaker 2: on the tennis schad. So I think he would help

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Speaker 2: anybody on tour. I don't have a particular player that

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Speaker 2: I think would be the biggest or best one because

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Speaker 2: that would just be weird. But I think anyone, and

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Speaker 2: I think that the what a good element is, and

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Speaker 2: I've talked about this before, is that a good coach

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Speaker 2: when you come in as a person with a certain personality,

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Speaker 2: Like I have a certain personality which is disagreeable with Caitlin. I.

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Speaker 2: I always know what my player's personality is, so I

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Speaker 2: don't want to change their personality at all. If they're quiet,

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Speaker 2: I understand that about them. If they're a little bit

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Speaker 2: nuts or a little bit like over the top, I

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Speaker 2: get that. Like my favorite saying to a player is

609
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Speaker 2: I don't take anything personally. So if I say something

610
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Speaker 2: to you and you snap back at me because you

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Speaker 2: know whatever, it's like, I don't want to hear that

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Speaker 2: right now. I don't take any of that personally. I say,

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Speaker 2: I don't take anything personally until you make it personal.

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Speaker 2: So someone says to me something that's personally attacking me, yeah,

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Speaker 2: we have a problem.

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Speaker 1: Fair.

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Speaker 2: So anything outside of that, it's understanding your player, understand

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Speaker 2: their strengths and weaknesses, but also understanding their personalities, which

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Speaker 2: is really important because you, if you want to get

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Speaker 2: the best out of something, eagerty on take is very

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Speaker 2: different to sabal Anka. You got to talk to sabal

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Speaker 2: Anca very differently to how you talk to Eger and

623
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Speaker 2: vice versa. In the men's game. You know, Sinner is

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Speaker 2: a very quiet guy. He needs guys like that around him.

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Speaker 2: If he has people that are too up, it's like

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Speaker 2: probably a little bit too much for him. So you've

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Speaker 2: got to understand that. That's very important.

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Speaker 1: For What was also interesting for me knowing you as

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Speaker 1: you coached Plishkova a little bit with Bouchard obviously Serena

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Speaker 1: coaching Sam You really, I'm sure your fundamentals and what

631
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: they all needed to work on was you know, individualized

632
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Speaker 1: to the person. But you know you're you're not giving

633
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Speaker 1: a tremendously different set of advice about moving forward or

634
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Speaker 1: taking balls. It's more how you're adjusting your vibe. I

635
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Speaker 1: will answer the question to say, I think Andy has

636
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Speaker 1: a lot of wisdom. I would love to see his call,

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Speaker 1: the way he learned to channel his emotions and be calm,

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Speaker 1: and especially during that year that he won the ATP Finals,

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Speaker 1: he won the Wimbledon. I'm thinking what twenty sixteen, twenty

640
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Speaker 1: seventeen together, keep his shit together. I would love to

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Speaker 1: see him get ons a Wimbledon.

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Speaker 2: Ooh ooh, good call.

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Speaker 1: I want he win.

644
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Speaker 2: About my stomach growling one.

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Speaker 1: There's some granola persons. Why don't you drink the water?

646
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Speaker 1: Just PORTRAYO what a nice person I am. Next, Guert right,

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Speaker 1: that was a great answer for both of us. I

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Speaker 1: have to say, Okay, Steve Leonard, who runs operates sets

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Speaker 1: up the line calling system, would be different people at

650
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Speaker 1: each tournament. Hawkeye. It is an outsourced technology soon to

651
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Speaker 1: be replacing all human beings. Angela Fetchner, what do you

652
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Speaker 1: expect from the new partnership? Oh glad, I'm glad. Somebody

653
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Speaker 1: asked about Schmuantech and wim faceet Belgian coach to the

654
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Speaker 1: Stars a new coach player pairing, thank you Angela for

655
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Speaker 1: giving us an excuse to talk about whim and ego.

656
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Speaker 1: What do you make of that? Because that is news

657
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 1: since we last recorded and we even did a who

658
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Speaker 1: will whim coach next?

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00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean are we surprised by this?

660
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: This is this makes perfect sense.

661
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Speaker 2: And again, this is not a slight on wim fa

662
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Speaker 2: set Okay, I want to get that straight. This is

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Speaker 2: not a slight on Patrick More.

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Speaker 1: Did anybody think that?

665
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Speaker 2: But the fact that these men just file up it

666
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Speaker 2: just makes me laugh.

667
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Speaker 1: Wait, but okay, I'm not disagreeing with you, but I'm.

668
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Speaker 2: Not saying fail like you failed. But we're getting fired

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Speaker 2: and then they get picked up in one week to

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Speaker 2: work with somebody else. It makes me laugh so much.

671
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Speaker 1: Do you think it has to? I mean both of

672
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 1: them can say that they've coached Grant Slam winning, so maybe, yeah,

673
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Speaker 1: failing maybe it's not their word. But it is interesting

674
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: because when fired up, fired upwards, yes, fired up there

675
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Speaker 1: promoted despite uh of a excuse them with the former player.

676
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 1: One thing I think is really maybe plays into this

677
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: is people don't think of it as a firing because

678
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: everyone's so nice about it on social media like Renee.

679
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,479
Speaker 1: Renee and Caitlin have decided to end their coaching partnership. Renee,

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Speaker 1: You've been a part of my the best parts of

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Speaker 1: my life. You've just been an incredible person in my ear.

682
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: And and secretly it's like, hey, we fucking hate each other.

683
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Speaker 1: I don't know, just like it didn't work.

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00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 2: So everyone knows only for a certain amount of time

685
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Speaker 2: in the day. Do I hate Caitlin?

686
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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you for clarifying all the certain times.

687
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Speaker 1: But I do think like part of it is the

688
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: performance of how jovial and collegial these breakups are. It's actually, no,

689
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: you're getting.

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00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 2: Fired, yeah, and we don't like I don't like you anymore.

691
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 1: So your point is, how do these it's always the

692
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Speaker 1: same guys, and they always end up getting really great agents.

693
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Speaker 2: They contact the agents, the agents contact their agents.

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Speaker 1: It's like it might be well, maybe I'll put that

695
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: on the player and say, why aren't the players looking

696
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: more creatively outside of the same.

697
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 2: Because these coaches have agents, and as soon as they're

698
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 2: about to get fired, and they know they're getting fired,

699
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 2: they're onto every other agent.

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Speaker 1: Did Serena's agent come to you? No, she came to you, no,

701
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Speaker 1: because she was creative and she was like, oh I

702
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Speaker 1: need some molse.

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Speaker 2: Well, actually, how it happened was I sent her a

704
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Speaker 2: text and said sorry about the match last night. I

705
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Speaker 2: was there. She's like yeah, and I was like, I

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Speaker 2: have some thoughts. This is what I wrote, and she said, great,

707
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Speaker 2: can you come to my practice tomorrow? And that's how

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Speaker 2: it started. But also I've had a twenty five year

709
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 2: relationship with serena longer actually, and I've always spoken to

710
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Speaker 2: her about a tennis The amount of text messages that

711
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 2: I sent her throughout her career before even worked with

712
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 2: her before the US Open is numerous, you know, even

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00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 2: little game plan she would ask me, you know, what

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Speaker 2: do you think about this? Or you know, I would

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00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 2: send her a text about stuff and you know, about

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Speaker 2: her attitude or the way she was acting or something,

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Speaker 2: you know, because I knew her so well, so we

718
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 2: had a built in relationship. But yeah, some of these coaches,

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Speaker 2: I mean, listen, what do I think about how it's

720
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 2: going to go? I think it'll go great because when

721
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Speaker 2: will come in with new ideas and new fresh he's

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00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 2: a little bit and not a little bit, he's a

723
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Speaker 2: lot more upbeat and a lot more positive than Thomas.

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Speaker 2: I felt Thomas was very dour, like oh my god,

725
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Speaker 2: Like you would walk into a room with him and

726
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 2: it was just like, oh, and I'm like, dude, you

727
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 2: gotta like make life better. I mean, you gotta find

728
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Speaker 2: some joy on the tennis court or working with Ego

729
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 2: or something, because Eager clearly when she's out on the court,

730
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Speaker 2: she gets very stressed and all the things you see

731
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Speaker 2: and you have to be able to monitor that and

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Speaker 2: be able. And that's where I think women coaches can

733
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Speaker 2: be better in those situations, like Martinez working with Mira Andrea.

734
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Speaker 2: But you can see Miraa Andreva. She's very demonstrative on

735
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Speaker 2: the court at times, she's young, all these things, but

736
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Speaker 2: you can see how much more confidence she's getting. Can

737
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Speaker 2: she controls, you know, not controls her, like understands what

738
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Speaker 2: she's seeing and can talk to her about it because

739
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 2: she played. So it's just like, I don't know, we'll see.

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Speaker 2: I think Eagle will probably do great and women will

741
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Speaker 2: look like a legend and there you go.

742
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Speaker 1: I do think it's anyone who worked with Ego was

743
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: gonna it was gonna. Yeah, I mean, Ego's already incredibly good.

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Speaker 1: I do think it would be nice to see her

745
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Speaker 1: smiling more on the court, and I hope that the

746
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Speaker 1: positive box change will be for the better. Yep, Boris

747
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 1: asks if Rafford does well at Davis Cup famously he's

748
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Speaker 1: retiring at David's Cup and is healthy, what is the

749
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Speaker 1: possibility he plays, ao Boris.

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Speaker 2: Zero point zero zero zero zero zero percent. Yeah, no,

751
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Speaker 2: I mean no, he's not playing. I mean he's barely

752
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 2: gonna make it. Yeah, I mean the only reason, thank god,

753
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 2: it's going to be his last match is going to

754
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Speaker 2: be in Spain. I just was like, Oh, this is

755
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,240
Speaker 2: the this is the last match you're gonna play against

756
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 2: Novak here getting paid all this money, and I just

757
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 2: felt so So I'm glad he's doing it in Spain.

758
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 2: At least he'll get the send off, he'll be crying,

759
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,800
Speaker 2: it'll all be. There was no tears in rear and

760
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 2: you're just like, he's like, give me my money and

761
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 2: I'm out of here. So I'm glad he's doing in Spain.

762
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Speaker 2: But you will not see him at the strain.

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Speaker 1: Hard to imagine, all right, J Trepaner, but by I

764
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Speaker 1: suppose had your name right. As the year ends, in

765
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Speaker 1: the new Doubles Partnership's form. Can you talk a little

766
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: bit about how that process works to players to chat

767
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: amongst themselves to find new partners, Do agents get involved?

768
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 1: Do you sign up for a full year together or

769
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Speaker 1: a few months trial period? Thanks? Before you answer, I'm

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Speaker 1: going to say when I was in Junior's, one of

771
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Speaker 1: my favorite things is you just put your name next

772
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 1: to the draw. You'd say I was looking for a

773
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,240
Speaker 1: doubles looking, yeah, looking basically.

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00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 2: Actually, Caitlin, that still happened.

775
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,720
Speaker 1: But I love playing doubles so much that I played

776
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 1: all the time and I ended up being better at doubles.

777
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: And it was because I played doubles every single tournament.

778
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Speaker 1: I would make a lot of new friends.

779
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:33,879
Speaker 2: Just so you know, that actually happens on the tour.

780
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 1: That's funny.

781
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 2: Real people do write down on a sheet in the

782
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 2: WTA office X name ranking looking, So that actually does

783
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 2: happen still on the tour. Usually most of those players

784
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 2: are writing aren't as successful because it's very ready to

785
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,280
Speaker 2: be looking, you know, if you're a good doubles player.

786
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 2: So I will tell you all of that question is

787
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 2: all of the above. There is like backchatter, there's friendships,

788
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 2: there's like agents maybe talking to that. There's coaches that

789
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 2: are talking to other coaches, and my players not doing

790
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,439
Speaker 2: well with this plan, I think, you know, So there's

791
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff. It's basically like dating. It's like

792
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 2: who's going to be honest, who's going to be truthful,

793
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 2: who's going to be faithful? Who is going to blame

794
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 2: their partner?

795
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 1: Wow?

796
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 2: Who is going to jump out of that partnership for first?

797
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 2: Who thinks that they're better than their partner and thinks

798
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 2: that they could do better with somebody else.

799
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: Because all these things are all happen.

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00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 2: Things are happening, all of them, and if you're not

801
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 2: having success week in and week out, you are always

802
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 2: constantly looking of blaming your partner.

803
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: I can tell you what I think makes a successful marriage,

804
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: but I'm not sure what makes us successful doubles partner

805
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: same same thing, but it's probably the same thing, right,

806
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: Like communication, honesty, transparency, expectations, you know that kind of stuff.

807
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 2: I mean, I remember, like Lisa Raymond and I before

808
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,439
Speaker 2: we won our first Wimbledon, we didn't have a coach

809
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 2: with us at the time, and Lisa often had coaches

810
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 2: because she was doing so well on singles, but it's

811
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Speaker 2: very expensive to have a coach, so I had coaches

812
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 2: on and off. And we sat down with each other

813
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,399
Speaker 2: before the tournament, and of course we didn't have a coach,

814
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 2: and we said to each other, what do we need

815
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 2: to work on? What do I need to work on,

816
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 2: and what do you need to work on? And we

817
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 2: were really honest with one Obviously, we were incredibly close personally,

818
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 2: so it was easier for oh, sometimes easier or harder

819
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 2: to have those conversations. But she said to me, you

820
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 2: got to be better with your second shot. So I

821
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 2: hit a good return and then they'd get the ball

822
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 2: back and then maybe I'd miss that next shot. And

823
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 2: Lisa was so much better at that than I was,

824
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 2: and so she's like, you need to work on that.

825
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 2: So I did like that whole week preparation for Wimblin.

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Speaker 2: That was my goal. My goal was not missed my

827
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 2: second shot or set my partner up, and with her

828
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 2: it was X and Y, and so I would tell

829
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 2: her and then we were really we kept each other

830
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 2: accountable and practice and we didn't want lose a set

831
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 2: that wimblelin when we want it. So it clearly worked.

832
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 2: But you've got to be really honest, but honestly. In doubles,

833
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 2: it's about personality. It's about what side you play on.

834
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 2: I was a backhand court player. Least it was a

835
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 2: fourhand court player. It worked well with us. So it's

836
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,280
Speaker 2: a lot of things. But yeah, it's about being faithful

837
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 2: and being truthful.

838
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 1: It's also amazing that everyone's kind of having very different ranking.

839
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 1: Doubles drama is really fun.

840
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 2: Oh my, you have no idea. I could tell you

841
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 2: so many stories. Maybe one podcast will have of doubles

842
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 2: story podcast, just like blind Items, and I can tell

843
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 2: you my own stories in that. And I fucked up

844
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 2: one time. You know, stop playing with Kara Black. It's

845
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 2: a long story. Kara and knows his story. But I'll

846
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 2: get into them. Maybe maybe I'll get into it when

847
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 2: Lisa comes on the pot.

848
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: Maybe we should do like a bonus episode behind a

849
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: pywall line has to like behind a scene. Oh yeah,

850
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: all right, this next one is for you because they

851
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: say you're a huge they're a huge fan. Next level, right,

852
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:31,359
Speaker 1: it's hire a name, huge fan.

853
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 2: Oh is that how they said it?

854
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: Huge fan? Yeah? Can you share your thoughts?

855
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 2: Is that your sexy voice?

856
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 1: If this tour should combine and have a commissioner Big

857
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 1: four American Sports. Also, who would make a Greek commissioner

858
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: if you think there should be one.

859
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 2: Sophie Goldschmidt.

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00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, Sophie got would be a good We're having dinner

861
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: with her to it.

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00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,720
Speaker 2: We are having dinner with tonight. Sophie is the CEO

863
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 2: of World of the US.

864
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: Ski team was Ski and Snowboards, the Ski and Snowboard

865
00:38:58,200 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: previously World Surf League YEP.

866
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,879
Speaker 2: Previously worked for the WTA Rugby. Like all kinds of things,

867
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 2: Sophie Goldschmid is my I would dream to have Sophie

868
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 2: as the commissioner. And she listens to our podcast, so

869
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 2: she's smiling and laughing right now and also saying, fuck,

870
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 2: don't pull my nan out.

871
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:14,399
Speaker 1: I am busier, but you are right.

872
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 2: We do need a full commissioner. We need the tourist

873
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 2: to join, and that's how we get collective bargaining and

874
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:22,240
Speaker 2: how we get more money out of the slams.

875
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it, that's it. You just need somebody competent.

876
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,399
Speaker 1: Jay Rudd, what do you think about Sabby getting number

877
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: one without her or Eager playing a match? How does

878
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: that fit historically in the sport? It fits historically in

879
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,720
Speaker 1: the sport all the time, people's rankings move all the time,

880
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:37,919
Speaker 1: whether or not they lose. Sometimes they lose and they

881
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: still get promoted to number one. It has more to

882
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: do with how the weekly ranking system works. That also

883
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: is another way of saying congratulations to Arena Sbalanca forgetting

884
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 1: to number one, which she is right now.

885
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 2: It's a twelvemonth rotation, right, So if I won a

886
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 2: tournament this week and I didn't play it, those points

887
00:39:55,880 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 2: drop off, and my opponent may have lost first round

888
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 2: of that tournament, and then that drops off because it's

889
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 2: basically just a twelve month rotation.

890
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 1: An accumulation of points over twelve months that fluctuates. And

891
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: so for me, how do I feel about it? I

892
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: feel great because there is no doubt in my mind

893
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: that at there's a moment right now, Arena Sublink is

894
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: the best player in the world.

895
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

896
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Sometimes it is weird being like, eh, is that correct?

897
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: But it also has to do with to your point,

898
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 1: who's defending what points?

899
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, we had Ego won the WT finals last year,

900
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,919
Speaker 2: which is I believe two thousand points I think to win.

901
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 2: So you just had there's a great website. It's live

902
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:37,439
Speaker 2: tennis scores. It lies tennis rankings, and you can see

903
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,959
Speaker 2: where the points are dropping off, why they can move,

904
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 2: where they can move to where they're at in a

905
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,359
Speaker 2: certain tournament, what that means to them. So there's lots

906
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 2: of good little information.

907
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:46,720
Speaker 1: Do you care about the rankings?

908
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 2: No, I mean when you've been number one in the

909
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 2: world already, it's great to get back there. Arena is

910
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 2: happy to be back there, but it doesn't mean the

911
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,240
Speaker 2: same as what it did when you What is important

912
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 2: is end of year world ranking for your bonuses.

913
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 1: That's right, contract you're commercial. So yeah. From Peter, the

914
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: lovely Peter, who we know, an actual tennis question, how

915
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 1: do you and Kaitland see the current state of the tour?

916
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: What players are obviously amazing and the depth has improved greatly,

917
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: but what would you like to see as an improved

918
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: and added to make the product even stronger. Well, one

919
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 1: thing that has happened which I'm thrilled about, which some

920
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: people are mad about, is that there will be on

921
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,839
Speaker 1: court coaching for both men and women next year.

922
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,320
Speaker 2: Okay, can we just laugh about that though the amount

923
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 2: of just vitriol and stuff. I mean, even John Mellman,

924
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,280
Speaker 2: who I love Johnny. He was like, it sucks. I'm like, dude,

925
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 2: we've had it for like two years already, get over it,

926
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 2: like we And okay, here's my thing with coaching, and

927
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 2: that one thing is that it's tough for the lower

928
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 2: ranked players if you don't have a coach, So that

929
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 2: does hurt you. But if you've got a friend, they

930
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 2: can help you out as well and go and watch

931
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 2: you play. So there is an imbalance there. But you

932
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 2: know what it's always get You know, if we were

933
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 2: a top player, you get the practice call, it's up

934
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 2: for two hours, and a player ranked sixty gets it

935
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 2: for an hour. It just sucks. You know. You get

936
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,240
Speaker 2: to hit on Arthur ash Stadium every time you play,

937
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 2: and so that when you go out and play a match,

938
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 2: it's like no big deal for you. Or if you

939
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 2: never practice on that court, you're like, oh fuck, this

940
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 2: court is big. It's like if you're successful and you're good,

941
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 2: everything happens for you. You get it's just easier. You get

942
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 2: more balls, you get more practice time, you get the

943
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 2: private car, it's all of it. You probably get a

944
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 2: private jet sent for you. So with this on court coaching,

945
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 2: it's like I have played, and I have coached, and

946
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,760
Speaker 2: believe me when I tell you, even when it wasn't allowed,

947
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 2: everybody is coaching. Yeap, okay, I can do a little

948
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 2: tap of my write ear means serve to the forehand.

949
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 2: I'm like, you can do across your arm. So they're

950
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 2: hitting the ball cross court like. There are so many

951
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,320
Speaker 2: ways to get around on court coaching that's not allowed.

952
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 2: And also there is only so much that you can

953
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 2: tell a player in twenty seconds, okay, And there's a

954
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 2: scene called paralysis by analysis, and so the more information

955
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 2: you're giving your players say look at you, like shut what.

956
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 2: So it's a very fine balance. I think it's fine

957
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 2: because it was happening anyway, so now we don't have

958
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,919
Speaker 2: to worry about the stupid warnings. And also when Sam

959
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 2: was playing with the Chinese player, I would tell her

960
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 2: coach they need to do X and Y, and he

961
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 2: would yell it out.

962
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 1: In Chinese and not be busted, of course.

963
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 2: Not because the umpire doesn't understand what he's.

964
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 1: Saying, unless you're in China, in which case you weren't

965
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:22,760
Speaker 1: getting busted for coaching, that's.

966
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 2: Right, Well, no, because the umpire is English speaking usually yeah,

967
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 2: so I would say, hey, Robert, say watch the down

968
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 2: the line and you go, you know, blah blah blah

969
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 2: in Chinese, and I'm like, yeah, thanks, great, and the

970
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:35,879
Speaker 2: umpire was sort of looking and I was like, oh

971
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 2: what he said.

972
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 1: My answer has always been more on court coaching. It

973
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 1: makes the product better. And I also love when they

974
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: make it up so players at home can understand what

975
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 1: is happening. The way that we can get inside into

976
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 1: football or inset into basketball by hearing what the coaching is,

977
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: what should they be doing, what aren't they doing, and

978
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: how can they improve and then you can watch it.

979
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: It's amazing.

980
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 2: And to all commentators out there, no matter how good

981
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 2: your point of view is, when you're saying something on

982
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:04,280
Speaker 2: the court, if the coach suddenly starts talking to the player,

983
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 2: shut up.

984
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: That's agreed.

985
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:07,879
Speaker 2: I need to hear what they're saying. You're what you're

986
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 2: saying is nowhere near. It will never be as important

987
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 2: as what the coach is saying to the player or

988
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 2: the player is saying.

989
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 1: To the coach, even if it's something dumb, that's more

990
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 1: insightful sometimes to be like, oh, well this guy has

991
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: nothing to say, right, Yeah, anyway, agreed, And then we've

992
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 1: already talked about consolidating the tours, making the schedule shorter

993
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: ten Grand Slams, which we both agree on. So is

994
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: that question Peter Oh, Peter trylock Karki says, can you

995
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 1: please cover this switch on WADA position number one due

996
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 1: to penalty on missing mandatory five hundred events. It sounds

997
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 1: like he's making the point or she's making the point

998
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: that where they're making the point that Arena Sabla like

999
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: ascended to number one because somebody missed a mandatory five hundred.

1000
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: I don't care.

1001
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 2: It's the way it is.

1002
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 1: It's just the way it is. This is the schedule

1003
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: and it's about defending points. Also, I don't think it's

1004
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 1: that big of a deal to be candid.

1005
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 2: Neither Eagle or Arena care.

1006
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: I don't think they care about who's number one at

1007
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 1: the end of the year, and they'll care about who

1008
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: lists the trophies at the end of the week more

1009
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 1: than this. BG. Do you think players who make it

1010
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 1: deeper in to one tour should be allowed to buy

1011
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 1: in round one? I'm not sure exactly what that means,

1012
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 1: but what's your take on top ten players not allowed

1013
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,959
Speaker 1: to compete in more than one, two, two fifties. Okay,

1014
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: so this question is about something called vulturing, where players

1015
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: who are highly ranked are prevented from playing too many

1016
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 1: smaller tournaments to a crew points, which seems like, on

1017
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: the face of it, a good rule. EMM Navarro got

1018
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: some flak because she was entering tournaments prior to when

1019
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 1: she ascended to the heights she is ranked currently and

1020
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,399
Speaker 1: accused of vulturing points. I think she was entered into

1021
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,879
Speaker 1: Hong Kong, which happens in a week or two, and

1022
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,280
Speaker 1: the idea was she was sort of praying on players

1023
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 1: ranked much lower than her to just accrue points. I

1024
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: don't know if that's true. I don't think it's true.

1025
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: But again, there's so much to nitpick about here. If

1026
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 1: you had ten tournaments and they were all worth the same,

1027
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: it wouldn't matter. But what do you think about that?

1028
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,359
Speaker 2: Do you think it's bad or I mean, I have

1029
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 2: various different thoughts on this. You know, it's nice when

1030
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 2: you have a smaller tournament in a small city, you

1031
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 2: know that doesn't get a lot of high powered tennis

1032
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 2: players going. Then you get someone that is huge to

1033
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 2: grow the sport a small town, so you know, a

1034
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 2: small town in Brazil or wherever in China or in Europe,

1035
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 2: if you've got a two fifty in Luxembourg or somewhere

1036
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 2: like that, or you know, and you get these kids

1037
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 2: that going to watch it and they get to see

1038
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 2: a huge superstar. I think it's great for the growth

1039
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 2: of the game. There is the other side of the

1040
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 2: tournament putting a ton of money in. They want the

1041
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:30,760
Speaker 2: best players there. So there's you know, there's that juxtaposition

1042
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 2: of you know, supporting the tour, supporting the tournaments, supporting

1043
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 2: the cities. I don't know.

1044
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 1: I kind of think the tournaments should get the best

1045
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: players they can.

1046
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1047
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 2: And if a player wants to play a tournament in

1048
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 2: their hometown, you know, like Eager wants to play in Poland,

1049
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 2: let her play. Fuck who cares? Yeah.

1050
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: Also, like maybe I'm Menaviarral really loves dim sum like

1051
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,240
Speaker 1: Hong Kong's awesome. I don't know why, and I wouldn't

1052
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:54,359
Speaker 1: anyone wouldn't want to go there.

1053
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 2: Who's Telescope and soup dumpling tonight?

1054
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 1: I's sir about that? Cha Loongbao? All right? Telescop asks

1055
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 1: the same question about Ega and wim Faz that we

1056
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: already cover that lorettas Caamura Faturos.

1057
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,320
Speaker 2: Would you use because you were just in Italy.

1058
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,399
Speaker 1: You just nailed that, Thank you? Would you explain more

1059
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 1: clearly the twenty twenty five coaching rule. This is online

1060
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,879
Speaker 1: coaching and how it differs from what we're currently experiencing.

1061
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: Doesn't this past season, it doesn't.

1062
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 2: It doesn't, So everyone losing their mind it it's been happening.

1063
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: This is definitely a renee question unless you want to

1064
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 1: hear about the very competitive NCAA doubles that I experienced,

1065
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 1: which is highly doubtful. Although I did once lose to

1066
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: Alexander Stephens in I believe it was in like thirty

1067
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,720
Speaker 1: five minutes at national doubles. She was six ' five.

1068
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 1: She was enormous and served like hundred fifty miles like

1069
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:41,720
Speaker 1: six well to me who's five to five. She felt

1070
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 1: like a titan like John Kwell exactly. I wasn't getting

1071
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 1: anything past her at the net either, Steph As Stephen

1072
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: Kennedy says, who is the best player slash team that

1073
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 1: you ever played in singles and doubles and you've played

1074
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 1: against the Williams sisters, is that the answer?

1075
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,359
Speaker 2: Yeah? Probably them at their best just because they serve

1076
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 2: you off the court. But I was pretty competitive against them,

1077
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 2: but they I beat them one time. Every other time

1078
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 2: I did not win. But and they were also at

1079
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 2: their peak powers in singles, you know when I was

1080
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 2: playing them. And that's why I get annoyed when people

1081
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 2: are like, you know, these players are pulling out in doubles,

1082
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 2: and I'm like, shut up. None of the top players

1083
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 2: play doubles anymore. You guys should be happy playing doubles only.

1084
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 2: But I would say the Williams sisters, Jiji Fernandez and

1085
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 2: Natasha's are Aba were two great doubles team. You know,

1086
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 2: my Tina Navrilova and anyone. My Tina Hingus and Anyone

1087
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,800
Speaker 2: were probably the four or five or six doubles players

1088
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 2: that I played against. It were always so fun and competitive.

1089
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 2: And I would say in singles, I mean, I had

1090
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 2: the great pleasure of playing stephie Graff on grass and

1091
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 2: I almost beat her, did you yeah, because six four

1092
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 2: in the third grass shitty grass in Birmingham, So it

1093
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 2: was a nightmare for her to pass me. I was,

1094
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 2: And plus I always hit with her and she was

1095
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,320
Speaker 2: my friend, so I was comfortable, like it wasn't like

1096
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 2: I was against Steffi graff this, you know, m I

1097
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 2: was like, she's my friend, right, and you practice so

1098
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 2: you serve in my doubles with a you know, you know,

1099
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 2: I was coming in on a back end like a

1100
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 2: banshe and she couldn't pass me, so it was likely.

1101
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 2: But I did still lose because she had a fuehand

1102
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 2: past me on matt point.

1103
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: Cool.

1104
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 2: So yeah, I played her in singles. That's that's my greatest.

1105
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 1: That's a good answer, Yeah, AJP says. And we've touched

1106
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 1: on this a little bit. Assuming Sadi Arabia is here

1107
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 1: to stay, could they or should they make a positive

1108
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 1: difference to the ATPWTA through proper investment rather than just

1109
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 1: throwing millions away at exhibitions. What things could they do?

1110
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,359
Speaker 1: I'll take this because I have been loath to sort

1111
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 1: of talk about the Saudia stuff because, like I said,

1112
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 1: I'm still sort of thinking about what I think about it. Yes,

1113
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 1: they're throwing exhibitions, as do many places around the world,

1114
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 1: but also they are investing at the Satday Townel Federation

1115
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:45,919
Speaker 1: in young kids, especially young women, to try to get

1116
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: parody among the genders. In twenty thirty five, among tennis

1117
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: playing recreationally. So I don't think it's just what you see,

1118
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 1: which is which is the six King Slam. I think

1119
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: it's a lot of grassroots stuff because I'm at least historic,

1120
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 1: not just Houdi Arabia, but the Emirates have spent a

1121
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:05,919
Speaker 1: ton of money on exhibitions and tournaments and they don't

1122
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: have a local, homegrown star, so they're trying to address that.

1123
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 1: The other thing I would say is, yeah, uh, there's

1124
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 1: a lot of things that they could do, and I

1125
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 1: would love to see, as Billy Jean King says about

1126
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 1: Sadi Arabia specifically, let's see what engagement does.

1127
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 2: Yep.

1128
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna leave it at that, Okay, yep. Stephen Kennedy,

1129
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: do pro players swing as fast on the second serve

1130
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 1: as the first, just with more spin or is it

1131
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:37,280
Speaker 1: a myth thanks Renee like I think head racket speed.

1132
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 2: That's a great question. It's very different. So on a

1133
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 2: first serve you're really snapping the wrist to get that

1134
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 2: real flat pronation or speed on the serf, and then

1135
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:49,359
Speaker 2: the second one, I don't know. That's a really great

1136
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 2: question to ask if it's the same speed like quickness

1137
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 2: because you're brushing the side of it more on a

1138
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 2: second serve. So the first serve you're really snapping it,

1139
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 2: going fast flat, and on the second serve you're hitting

1140
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 2: it more. From like seven pm. I always talk about

1141
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 2: things on a clock, So seven pm over to like

1142
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 2: five pm, you know what I mean. Like, so you're like,

1143
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 2: it's like a smile, whereas the first serves like a

1144
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 2: real straight line with the racketthead speed. But that's a

1145
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 2: really great question. I'd say the speed is pretty similar

1146
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 2: in a lot of way. It's just more you hit

1147
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 2: and you cut the ball differently.

1148
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: Good answer, speed round because we only have a few

1149
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 1: minutes left, Tim Kidd. Very similar to the commissioner question,

1150
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: why can't someone like Roger become the president or CEO

1151
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: of tennis or someone start to working on that role.

1152
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 1: Tennis needs the leader for loads of different reasons, not

1153
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 1: people pulling in different ways. Agree with you, Tim Kid,

1154
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 1: I'm not sure where Roger wants the job, but certainly

1155
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 1: somebody who knows how to negotiate commercial contracts and get

1156
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 1: a bunch of people with opposing viewpoints in a room,

1157
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:52,839
Speaker 1: like someone we mentioned earlier. We won't say her name again,

1158
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: but rewind it if you want to hear it, Uneven

1159
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 1: Steven will share a pova get your Hall of Fame

1160
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 1: vote Well, I don't have vote me neither, but would she.

1161
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 2: She gets me Listen. I got a lot of flak

1162
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 2: for this years and years ago from her agent, Max Eisenbud,

1163
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 2: and he has barely said two words to me since.

1164
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:13,879
Speaker 2: And I made this comment, and it's the reason why

1165
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:15,760
Speaker 2: we have a podcast, actually, because I did the podcast

1166
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 2: with John Moore time and he asked me the question,

1167
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 2: you know she's a Lock Hall of Fame, and I went, well,

1168
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 2: I go, here's the bottom line. She is the first

1169
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 2: player to be a Lock Hall of Famer that has

1170
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 2: been credibly found guilty of taking a performance enhancing drug.

1171
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 2: So I said, how the it? A sorry? How are

1172
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,359
Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame going to handle that? How are

1173
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 2: they going to handle that? How are they going to

1174
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:41,239
Speaker 2: handle Simona Hallep who is also a Lock for the

1175
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame. Yep, they both had a suspension of

1176
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 2: multiple years. How do you I mean, if I had

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00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 2: to vote her, I'd probably vote her in because what

1178
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 2: she did was incredible in her career. But at the

1179
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 2: same time, it's like, what's the precedent you're setting a

1180
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 2: press in it now of putting. They didn't put what's

1181
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:07,320
Speaker 2: his name into the Baseball Hall of Fame, p Rose, McGuire, McGuire,

1182
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 2: A Rod, all these guys that were, you know, lock

1183
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 2: Hall of Famous in the Baseball and you know, for

1184
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 2: betting on sports and all that sort of stuff. And

1185
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 2: so I don't know, you know, what's the precedent you're

1186
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 2: setting if you're saying, if you're gonna put Maria Sharup

1187
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 2: over in that, you've gotta put Halip. Yeah, you gotta

1188
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 2: put everyone else that comes behind that.

1189
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yannick Center, But he didn't. He didn't have a suspension,

1190
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:29,800
Speaker 1: that's true. He hasn't been suspended.

1191
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 2: So if you've been suspended, yeah, I mean Martina Hingers

1192
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 2: is in there, but hers was for cocaine. Remember that,

1193
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 2: I do.

1194
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,319
Speaker 1: I can't forget that, I know, but it's so cool

1195
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 1: nobody can.

1196
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 2: But technically it's not a performance and it ends I'd

1197
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 2: like to see someone playing on cocaine, but it's like,

1198
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 2: so would I vote for her? Probably? But the question

1199
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 2: is the the the Hall of Fame are going to

1200
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:52,359
Speaker 2: have to answer that question. Okay, So anyone that's been

1201
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,839
Speaker 2: done for pds can still be eligible for the Hall

1202
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 2: of Fame. That's precedent.

1203
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 1: That's a good Is that a good off ramp? I

1204
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 1: think it is no, But we have two more questions.

1205
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 1: There's a theme that I'm going to kind of allow

1206
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 1: us to sort of end on because a lot of

1207
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 1: people want to know about off guard coaching. A lot

1208
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: of people want to know about EGA and whim Fast,

1209
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 1: A lot of people wanted to know why don't more

1210
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 1: WTTA players. This is from mish higher female coaches. We

1211
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:18,399
Speaker 1: don't know, but we wish they would.

1212
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 2: My number is eight one three.

1213
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 1: Will hold Garuna figure out his game in twenty twenty five?

1214
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 1: I certainly hope so. I love him now, I would

1215
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:29,879
Speaker 1: coach him, and I think he would be a very

1216
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:34,879
Speaker 1: credible Grand Slam winner, and I hope he gets there,

1217
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:40,720
Speaker 1: not next year. Give give Renee a call, Holger, She's

1218
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 1: we're all ready for this.

1219
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 2: Eight one three.

1220
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:47,840
Speaker 1: What is the hardest skill to learn in tennis? Says

1221
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 1: Stalin Lobo.

1222
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 2: Oh, that's a well, it's a good question, but it's

1223
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 2: really very subjective. Some people can hit back ends really

1224
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 2: easily too hands, and some people can't hit a slice

1225
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:01,360
Speaker 2: to save their lives. You know, the surf can be

1226
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 2: a little difficult for people. I think the fourhands probably

1227
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 2: the easiest because that's where around's stronger. Volleys can be

1228
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 2: very difficult. What I'm trying to tell you, my friends,

1229
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 2: is that tennis is really hard.

1230
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 1: Tennis is really hard, really good at Do you think

1231
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:14,839
Speaker 1: it's between the years?

1232
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 2: No, it's technical, it's physical, it's everything, it's mental. Tennis

1233
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:23,839
Speaker 2: is the hardest sport in the world.

1234
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:26,439
Speaker 1: It is the hardest place. It's so hard.

1235
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 2: But I will say this, Superbird thinks that she could

1236
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 2: be a really good tennis player, a lot quicker than

1237
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:32,799
Speaker 2: I could be a really good basketball player. She's round,

1238
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:35,840
Speaker 2: and I was like, but but half the time I

1239
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:37,399
Speaker 2: think she's just just just push.

1240
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,800
Speaker 1: But she's totally wrong. That's not even I mean, respectfully,

1241
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 1: super Bird, why watching basketball like that's?

1242
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 2: Aa?

1243
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 1: I have so much respectful I do too, but it's

1244
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 1: not anywhere near so physical.

1245
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:50,319
Speaker 2: They wake up the next day.

1246
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 1: I don't care about basketball. But I am going to

1247
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:55,720
Speaker 1: last end with the last question. What do the liberty

1248
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 1: celebrations look like? You already alluded to this. You talked

1249
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 1: about the night I'll tell you her last night with

1250
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 1: the SOHO husband, tell me how the actual Nate ended. Well,

1251
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:06,879
Speaker 1: then we will wrap it up and not talk about

1252
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:08,439
Speaker 1: the Liberty at least for the rest of the year. Deal.

1253
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:11,320
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay. So it was a big celebration on

1254
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 2: the court, obviously, with the streamers and everything, and then

1255
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:17,360
Speaker 2: we all went into this great room in the Barclay

1256
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 2: Center that the size have kept open for the w

1257
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 2: and bear. She said, we treat the VIP he's the

1258
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 2: same for the Liberty as we do with the nets.

1259
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 2: And they have a great beautiful room called the Crown Room,

1260
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 2: which your wife has gone on to with me many times.

1261
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 1: She's into it.

1262
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 2: They serve carbone food in there. It's very special and

1263
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 2: it's beautiful. And so they had everyone could go back

1264
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:38,839
Speaker 2: in there, and it was a big party. And then

1265
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 2: at midnight they threw everyone out that wasn't supposed that

1266
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:45,279
Speaker 2: wasn't connected with the team somehow or family. You had

1267
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 2: to have a certain other little wrist bander be in there,

1268
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:50,880
Speaker 2: and like Wonda Sykes didn't have one, and we got

1269
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 2: a one, and you know, it was just it was

1270
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:57,319
Speaker 2: just a debauchery. I was just drinking and celebrating in there,

1271
00:56:57,600 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 2: and the team came in Eventually I got a hug

1272
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,360
Speaker 2: from Sabrina. You nask you, and I hugged her, and

1273
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:05,279
Speaker 2: I didn't realize that she had all the champagne and

1274
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:08,360
Speaker 2: be all over herself, so when I hugged it, that

1275
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 2: then was on me. So it was gross, but it

1276
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 2: was just it was just a lot of fun. I

1277
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 2: got home at three thirty ish in the morning. Credit

1278
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 2: to the team who went to Good Morning America.

1279
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 1: That's going to say, didn't they have another learning.

1280
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 2: JJ John call Jones, who won the MVP of the

1281
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 2: game of the series. She didn't sleep. She was in

1282
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 2: the same outfit she was in prior to the game starting.

1283
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 2: I was like, didn't you wear that before the game?

1284
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 2: She goes yep, and I didn't go to sleep. So

1285
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 2: they all went off. Sandy Brondelo, who is my very

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Speaker 2: good friend, didn't make it to GMA because she claims

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Speaker 2: that she was still drunk and spinning. So it was

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Speaker 2: I credit all the players were going there and doing

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Speaker 2: that for GMA. Robin Roberts was at the game and

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Speaker 2: is a huge fan. Of course played basketball herself in college.

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Speaker 2: Hum so it was it was a great fun and

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Speaker 2: we were all very hung over the next day. But

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Speaker 2: it was all worth it, and it was a great season,

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Speaker 2: and I do thank you all. I know you were

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Speaker 2: tennis fans and that's why you listen to this podcast,

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Speaker 2: but you also hopefully like me a little bit.

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Speaker 1: I think it's the Keaitland fans actually that's keeping us afloat,

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Speaker 1: but it's.

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Speaker 2: Probably But I know that you guys love us, and

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Speaker 2: we appreciate you listening to me waffle on about the WNBA,

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Speaker 2: and I hope in the end we can all support

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Speaker 2: women's sports, including tennis, including basketball, and those players, all

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Speaker 2: of them get what they deserve.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, thank you so much for your questions.

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Speaker 1: They are appreciated. They're fun. We didn't get to every

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Speaker 1: single one of them.

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Speaker 2: Well the ones that I didn't get to I will

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Speaker 2: write you on Twitter.

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Speaker 1: Or or they were repetitive. But we appreciate it. Keep

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Speaker 1: rating and we'll see you next week.

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Speaker 2: We'll appreciate you, guys. It's getting to the end of

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Speaker 2: the season. We didn't even talk about who made the

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Speaker 2: wt finals, but we'll get.

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Speaker 1: To that next week. Oh, that's a great topic for

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Speaker 1: next week.

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Speaker 2: All right, see you then, bye, guys.

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Speaker 1: Bill, you better pregnant eat something. Brock thick,