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Speaker 1: You don't listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio.

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Speaker 2: Well, spend quite a day in Cleveland, hasn't it. I mean,

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Speaker 2: isn't it. It was the Army that used to say,

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Speaker 2: we do more before nine am than most people do

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Speaker 2: all day. Let's switch it. It's now Cleveland that does

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Speaker 2: more before at least nine am our time out here

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Speaker 2: in the West than anyone does all day. But let's

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Speaker 2: spend part of the day together, shall We were live

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Speaker 2: in the Fox Sports Radio studios. Datsy from Salam. I'm

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Speaker 2: Mark Willard. Good afternoon to you and.

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Speaker 3: And hello e from a day ahead of when we.

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Speaker 2: Used to we usually get to sit and chat. We'll

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Speaker 2: do it again tomorrow night. But how are we doing?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing good. I'm glad we got this extra day

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Speaker 3: Well, there's just a little bit.

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Speaker 2: To talk about it. I don't want to waste anymore time.

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Speaker 2: What's your take? What's you take? So for those of

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Speaker 2: you who maybe you've been out and about. In fact,

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Speaker 2: it happened to me earlier today. You guys started being

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Speaker 2: like beeping to beat beat beep.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, like what I'm coaching?

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Speaker 2: Like, Bro, we're in the second inning and we're up

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Speaker 2: five nothing down at the park.

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Speaker 3: You gotta tell me what happened.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Shad Door Sanders goes to the Cleveland Browns and

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Speaker 2: obviously the pick itself.

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Speaker 3: Is far and away not the entire stories.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 4: One hundred and forty fourth pick in the draft.

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Speaker 2: What's your take on how this has all played out

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Speaker 2: over the last forty eight hours?

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Speaker 5: Now, first of all, someone with his talent and it's universal.

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Speaker 5: It wasn't like he wasn't talented. We've never seen anyone

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Speaker 5: who was rated this high going into the combine and

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Speaker 5: everything fall to the fifth round at the quarterback position. Now,

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Speaker 5: a lot of things have transpired. There's a lot of

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Speaker 5: stuff out there on why this happened, whether it be cockiness, arrogance,

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Speaker 5: whatever that may be, but based on talent and some

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Speaker 5: of the quarterbacks that were drafted before him, Now that

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Speaker 5: I think that's the most insulting part. Some of those

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Speaker 5: guys that were drafted before him, like the thirty year

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Speaker 5: old seven year college kid out of Louisville who's had

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Speaker 5: four season ending.

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Speaker 4: Surgery.

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Speaker 2: Is that shuck got We gotta figure out how to pronounce. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think it's shucked. I think it's how it's show

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Speaker 3: Me what you're working with. Anyway, go ahead.

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Speaker 5: But you know, when you start looking at things like that,

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Speaker 5: and and Dylan Gabriel, who now is you know, teammate

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Speaker 5: and we'll have to compete, I wonder who's gonna win

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Speaker 5: that battle. I mean, it's a situation where obviously there

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Speaker 5: are some things said and felt about Shedua Sanders outside

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Speaker 5: of football that had this young man drop to the

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Speaker 5: fifth round. I don't necessarily agree with it. I'm happy

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Speaker 5: and I'm proud of him that he got drafted. A

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Speaker 5: lot of people was like, oh, he's humbled now, and

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Speaker 5: what this young man has done nothing wrong. He's never

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Speaker 5: had an issue off the field. He's never been a

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Speaker 5: guy who caused problems anywhere he's been. He's been a leader.

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Speaker 5: He took an HBCU Jackson State to undefeated season. He

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Speaker 5: took a program that was worse and Division one college

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Speaker 5: football and made them viable. They were one game away

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Speaker 5: from a possible playoff, one went away from a possible

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Speaker 5: playoff last year. And as a leader, he's rallied his team.

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Speaker 5: And that guy who has the DNA and the lineage

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Speaker 5: of greatness, that guy falls to the fifth round, fifth round,

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Speaker 5: fifth sound so, And I don't want to get too political,

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Speaker 5: but well, you know what.

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Speaker 4: The first thing that reminded me of I'm I'm.

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Speaker 3: I bet I do. I don't, but I bet I do.

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Speaker 5: Well let me I'm no no, no, no, no, it's

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Speaker 4: The first thing it reminded.

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Speaker 5: Me of is a long, long, long long time ago,

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Speaker 5: long before you and I and well, uh, well before us,

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Speaker 5: They would humble him. They will break him down in

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Speaker 5: front of everybody. And that was how they taught people

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Speaker 4: It was called buck breaking.

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Speaker 5: And they would say no, no, Now, nobody wanted to talk,

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Speaker 5: nobody wanted to be big, nobody wanted to be strong,

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Speaker 5: to be subservient. And so if that's what you're looking

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Speaker 5: for in your quarterback, it reminded me of of that

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Speaker 5: which which which is infuriating at this day and age.

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Speaker 5: But what pick was Johnny manziel.

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Speaker 3: Uh the twenty something in the first round? First round?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you mean money Menzel who was high and drunk

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Speaker 5: at the combine, who had failed his drug test. That

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Speaker 5: that guy gets drafted in the first round.

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Speaker 3: Sure did, and was a bus that you could see coming.

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Speaker 4: It's so, I mean he had a bit of an

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Speaker 3: Didn't he just a little bit, just a little bet.

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Speaker 4: He didn't interview particularly well.

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Speaker 3: Did he. I mean, I have no idea, but I

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Speaker 5: And so when you look, he did run into issues

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Speaker 5: some laws under investigation perhaps, And so not even the

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Speaker 5: biggs to question the pundits like mel Kuyper. I thought

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Speaker 5: he would just gonna flip over the desk and leave. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I thought he was done. I thought he was gonna

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Speaker 5: be like f the NFL, I'm out of here, like

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Speaker 2: Well, you know what, you said that, I think is

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Speaker 2: really key to this conversation. And I bring this up

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Speaker 2: almost as a question more than a statement, because you

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Speaker 2: didn't say, if when you're talking about kind of taking

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Speaker 2: somebody's attitude away from them, we want them to be subservient.

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Speaker 2: You didn't say, do we want our football players this way?

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Speaker 2: You said do we want our quarterbacks this way? And

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Speaker 2: I think this is a really, really key point because

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Speaker 2: I can sit here right now on one hand and go,

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Speaker 2: please stop with this idea that the NFL is racist

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Speaker 2: and doesn't want loud, brashlo commend in the league.

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Speaker 3: Good God, look.

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Speaker 5: Around are My mo was like, Wow, you know the

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Speaker 2: Is people, does Tyreek Hill not play in this league? Okay?

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Speaker 3: But is that what we're talking about?

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Speaker 2: Because if you do look around the league at the

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Speaker 4: They don't want that.

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Speaker 2: I don't think you could find they don't want it

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Speaker 2: a camp, at least to the perception. I've never met

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Speaker 4: Well remember that those Cam Newton when he came out.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's probably as close as we've gotten. And I

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Speaker 2: know everybody in the world is just fighting like hell

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Speaker 2: to not use the name Colin Kaepernick right now because,

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Speaker 2: as you said that, I don't. I don't think this

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Speaker 2: is political. Actually don't really. I didn't like it when

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Speaker 2: that was called political. It was made political the same

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Speaker 2: way Covid was. It didn't need to be that way.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, let's put that aside. Is that essentially what

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Speaker 2: we're talking about here. Have we arrived at this not

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that has a lot to do with it.

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Speaker 5: If he's a receiver or a linebacker or a defensive

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Speaker 4: We want that energy come be it crazy.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we want him to be better. We want him

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Speaker 5: to think he's better than everyone else. If I'm running

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Speaker 4: I know what that feels like in the locker room.

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Speaker 5: I know what it feels like to go into camp

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Speaker 5: and you're drafted later than you expected. In what mentality

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Speaker 5: you have to have to build out a thirteen year

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Speaker 5: what that is. I know the confidence and arrogance you

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Speaker 5: have to have in order to do that. People don't

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Speaker 5: but to stay in the NFL. If you don't have

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Speaker 5: borderline narcissistic views of yourself. This is this is real.

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Speaker 5: This is the one hundred percent. That's why everybody can't

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Speaker 5: do it. That's right, It almost got to be. Well,

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Speaker 5: they're well, it is, you are crazy.

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Speaker 2: Well, you're an odds buster at such an unbelievably high

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Speaker 2: level that I agree you have to. You have to

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Speaker 3: Far and and and to have.

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Speaker 2: That kind of success when the odds are that highly

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Speaker 3: These are completely different. This is why I was laugh

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Speaker 2: Somebody scores a touchdown and dudes on a couch, Well,

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Speaker 2: act like you've been there before. Calm down, young man,

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Speaker 2: Are you kidding me? Do you know how many people

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Speaker 2: all of that stuff. Boy, I got all kinds of

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Speaker 2: because A I don't think that there is really kind

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Speaker 3: And think about think about what.

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Speaker 2: We consider normalcy when a defensive back like his dad

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Speaker 2: is drafted, and then ask yourself, would you still like

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Speaker 2: that if a quarterback did it. Think of all those

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Speaker 2: draft calls that we get to hear on social media,

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Speaker 2: and what do they say. They all say the exact

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Speaker 2: same thing. Coach, you got a dog, coach. Coach, I'm

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Speaker 2: so fine, you got a dog. Coach, Coach, I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: practically bark right here on the phone.

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Speaker 3: What would we do if Jackson Dart did that? How

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Speaker 2: How would you feel if if the quarterback, if if

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Speaker 2: cam Ward, if cam Ward had walked up there for

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Speaker 2: that press conference and just started saying you got a dog,

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Speaker 2: it would stun people. I would bet so. Part one

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Speaker 2: of this for me is your observation. Again, not saying right,

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Speaker 2: wrong or otherwise, but I think this has a lot

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Speaker 2: to do with the position that he plays more than

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Speaker 2: who he.

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Speaker 5: Is yeah, of course, the fact that he's a quarterback

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Speaker 5: and we only want our quarterback. Got to remember, I mean,

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Speaker 5: it wasn't that long ago. We were alive when they

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Speaker 5: said black people couldn't black athletes couldn't be quarterback.

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Speaker 3: Wow. I think it was only like a year ago.

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Speaker 2: Cowhard suggested the quarterbacks shouldn't even have a backwards hat.

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Speaker 5: You can't wear a backwards hat and in this phrase

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Speaker 5: quarterback and what the what does that mean? Right? Like

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Speaker 2: does does this feel eye opening? Does this feel relevant?

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Speaker 7: But I'm starting I read a couple of people are, like,

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Speaker 2: How does that grab you, hey, from does that provide.

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Speaker 5: Now all of that plays apart into this. That's true,

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Speaker 5: It all plays apart. I understand the New York angle.

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Speaker 4: So I get that from them. I understand that.

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Speaker 3: I think where we're heading. Two.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there is a conversation and I know that

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Speaker 3: But we got here, Shador in the fifth round.

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Speaker 2: We got here because of the actions of multiple people,

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Speaker 2: not one. This is not one thing. This is not

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Speaker 2: not They hate brash, arrogant behavior. There are pieces of that.

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Speaker 2: Shador got himself here too. Yes, yes, okay, yes, right,

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Speaker 4: Martin, Well, you guys mentioned the news of today.

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Speaker 8: In the NFL draft, Shador Sanders drafted one hundred and

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Speaker 4: Today.

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Speaker 8: and the NBA right now.

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Speaker 8: Their guardians beat the Red Sox five to four, and

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Speaker 2: Okay, Martin, good stuff, Appreciate it. Whin the Fox Sports

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Speaker 2: every bullet point on this. So, okay, what have we

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Speaker 2: I do think that a lot of this is because

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Speaker 3: Scared of brash, arrogant behavior in the NFL?

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Speaker 7: No?

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Speaker 3: Are they scared of it at their at the quarterback position.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, probably, and certain guys are going to play this

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00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:43,919
Speaker 2: really cool, calm and collected and conservative because their jobs.

442
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:44,439
Speaker 3: Are on the line.

443
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Speaker 2: You just detailed that the other I think that there's

444
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 2: no escaping this, and I have no problem saying it.

445
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,400
Speaker 2: If Chadour Sanders and again I wasn't in the room,

446
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,400
Speaker 2: but I trust Todd McShay. If Shadoor Sanders is walking

447
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 2: into meet with teams that need a quarterback and they're

448
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 2: putting a game plan in front of him to study

449
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 2: and he doesn't.

450
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 4: Study it, there's a problem.

451
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 2: And then they call him out on it and he

452
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 2: doesn't want to be called out on it.

453
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Speaker 4: That's a problem.

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Speaker 3: Come on, So that it's a piece of it.

455
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean I had heard that there were man maybe

457
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,120
Speaker 2: more than half the league that flat out took him

458
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Speaker 2: off of their board. And maybe some of that is

459
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,360
Speaker 2: because we're not looking for a quarterback at all.

460
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Speaker 5: But well, the thing about this year's draft, there were

461
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Speaker 5: only a handful of teams that actually were in the

462
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Speaker 5: market for quarterback. So what happens when you get to

463
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 5: the fifth round. You everybody's looking for a quarterback in

464
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 5: the fifth round, because it doesn't matter who you have

465
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Speaker 5: starting that's a backup. Everybody's drafting for their second of

466
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 5: their quarterback in the fifth round. Everyone, I think Kansas

467
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 5: City took a quarterback. Are they in the market for

468
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Speaker 5: a quarterback?

469
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Speaker 3: No?

470
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Speaker 4: But in the fifth round, yeah you take one?

471
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Speaker 3: Yeah? Why not? You may end up with an unbelievable asset,

472
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Speaker 3: you know what I mean.

473
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Speaker 5: And so it was no big stretch for Cleveland to

474
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Speaker 5: take Shadeur. They moved up to get them, but it

475
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Speaker 5: was no big stretch for Cleveland to take Shadeur in

476
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Speaker 5: the fifth round. But what it does is now their

477
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 5: quarterback room is pretty full.

478
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Speaker 3: Oh well, it's full.

479
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Speaker 2: And I know that you said you're drafting your second

480
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Speaker 2: or third quarterback. I don't know if Cleveland has anything

481
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Speaker 2: but second or third quarter.

482
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Speaker 4: That's all they have.

483
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Speaker 3: That's so problem.

484
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Speaker 5: Currently they have Kenny Pickett, okay, Joe Flacko, Deshaun Watson, uh,

485
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Speaker 5: Dylan Gabriel.

486
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Speaker 4: And should your sounders correct?

487
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 5: So they have five quarterbacks at a franchise who hasn't

488
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 5: been able to get the quarterback position right now.

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Speaker 4: To their credit, they're like, we're gonna get it right

490
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Speaker 4: this time.

491
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Speaker 5: Somebody coming out of here and it's going to be

492
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Speaker 5: a viable starter, and look, competition.

493
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 4: Competition breeds greatness.

494
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Speaker 5: So if you're if you come into camp with five quarterbacks,

495
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Speaker 5: de Shine's off the table because he won't be ready.

496
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 5: Joe Flacco's really just a placeholder. It's not his team.

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Speaker 2: But wouldn't you argue if I had to put my

498
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Speaker 2: chip in one of those five slots for who starts

499
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Speaker 2: week one.

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Speaker 3: Joe Flacco?

501
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Speaker 4: Yeah?

502
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Speaker 3: Don't you think?

503
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Speaker 5: Well, it depends on how this camp goes. Sure, because

504
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 5: they don't want Joe fla go to start week one.

505
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 5: I can promise you that they don't want that.

506
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Speaker 3: Who do they want Dylan Gabriel.

507
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 5: They want one of these young quarterbacks to step up.

508
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 5: That's where the competition aspect comes from. They don't want

509
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Speaker 5: Joe Flacco. They want Joe Flacco to be there. If

510
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 5: it's not going well, then we can yes, they don't

511
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 5: want him to be QB one. I can promise you

512
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Speaker 5: that you don't get to save your job having Joe

513
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Speaker 5: Flack goles QB one. You don't get to continue coaching

514
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 5: having Joe Flack goes QB one. You do if you've

515
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 5: drafted a young quarterback who can come in at a discount,

516
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 5: what third round yesterday, fifth round today. If one of

517
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 5: those two surface as a starter, then you've bought yourself

518
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Speaker 5: some time and the end of their viable starr.

519
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Speaker 4: They got to get even got a lot of they

520
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 4: got a lot of talent, they got.

521
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 3: A lot of play, they got a lot of players.

522
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 5: So I'm saying, if the going in in mini camps

523
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 5: and training camp, everybody's going to be watching because now

524
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 5: they're a quarterback hub. Someone someone's gonna get traded, someone's

525
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 5: gonna be available if something doesn't work out for other teams.

526
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 5: But I will say, who would you put your money

527
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 5: on out of those five? Just on what you know.

528
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 3: Who would I put my money on.

529
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 4: Well, let's let's go. Let's go.

530
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 5: Let's take Joe Flacco and and and se DeShawn out

531
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 5: of it. Yes, and so you got Kenny Pickett, Dylan

532
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 5: Gabriel and and Shador Saunders.

533
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 3: I need to pick one to do what.

534
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 4: To start opening day?

535
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Speaker 2: I mean the door Sanders is easily the most talented.

536
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 3: Of the group.

537
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying.

538
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 2: This is easily the most talented of the group. I

539
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 2: don't know. I don't know what he's going to do now,

540
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 2: though I don't. I don't you know what I mean,

541
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 2: I don't know what he's going to look like. Did

542
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 2: this experience where people are out in the public saying, dude,

543
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 2: you blew off draft meetings, You've got in a fight

544
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 2: with Brian Dayball and like, you know what I mean,

545
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 2: if you are you gonna now come in to camp

546
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 2: with a little bit more of like I really want

547
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 2: to work hard and well and good you walk in

548
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 2: there like I think That's the thing that's really been

549
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 2: bothering me about what they've said about.

550
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 5: This young man, okay, is what nothing he's shown alludes

551
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 5: to him not working hard. That's the problem the story.

552
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 2: We just heard Todd mc shaye tell that that's work

553
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 2: like if you didn't work for the interview, if you

554
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 2: if you were given an assignment.

555
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 4: And we don't know what the context of that is.

556
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 4: We don't now, and I'm not going to make excuses

557
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 4: for him.

558
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 5: But nothing he's shown on the field at whatever program

559
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 5: he's been at shows that he's lazy. That's fair, right,

560
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 5: does not taking it serious, that's fair, not a good leader.

561
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 5: So this whole notion of oh he's not a hard

562
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 5: worker's completely fun. You think you can be a lazy,

563
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 5: entitled and you're the son of Deon Sanders. You think

564
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 5: you remember we watched Shadueur.

565
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Speaker 3: That's not my perception.

566
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 4: We watched Sedure raised on TV.

567
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 5: They had a reality show when he was doing Pop

568
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 5: Warner and all of that.

569
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Speaker 4: We've seen how hard he works, yep, and.

570
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 5: So this notion all of a sudden he's not a

571
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 5: hard worker is ridiculous to me, and it's unfair to him.

572
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 3: All Right, much more to say on this.

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582
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Speaker 2: the top of your screen. Coming up at the top

583
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 2: of the hour, we we'll get into some of the

584
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,240
Speaker 2: NBA stuff going on, but not quite done yet with Schadur.

585
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 2: NFL Draft coverage continues with it from Salama, Mark Willard

586
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Speaker 1: Don't listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio, all right?

588
00:34:55,400 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 2: Mark willerd it from Salam live in the Fox Sports

589
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 2: Radio studios.

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Speaker 4: What you got sounth gun right there?

591
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 3: Oh? Yes it is.

592
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 5: But I just you know, the best pick in the

593
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 5: draft Branson Taylor, pick one.

594
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,720
Speaker 4: Offensive tackle from Pittsburgh.

595
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:19,359
Speaker 3: Why is that the best pick in the draft?

596
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 4: Because that's the number of.

597
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 2: When I was draft Oh I thought you liked the

598
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 2: kid or something. I mean, like like you're like I

599
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 2: do now any of the one hundred and ninety nine

600
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Speaker 2: picks in the draft.

601
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 5: People don't understand just how hard it is to be

602
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 5: that pick and become something.

603
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 3: Right.

604
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 5: I went in a training camp so far down on

605
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 5: the depth chart you couldn't see me, and a few

606
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 5: six weeks later I was one of the eleven walking

607
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 5: out opening day. That's impossible.

608
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:11,320
Speaker 3: That's special.

609
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 2: You know what you should do coming up here in

610
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 2: ten minutes because I don't want to jam it into it.

611
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 2: You know, a small space. I'd love to hear where

612
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 2: you were. How you found that time? Yeah, story time?

613
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 2: How small was that signing bonus?

614
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 5: I'll give it all to you, I'll give you, I'll

615
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 5: give it all to you, how small was my salary?

616
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 3: Huh uh huh.

617
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 4: So tune in top of the next hour story time.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, a couple of things that I do think

619
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 2: have happened here, and I don't I haven't heard anyone

620
00:36:55,600 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 2: talk about this, and I wonder my bet would be

621
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 2: that Shadeur doesn't give a crop about this. But from

622
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 2: the moment that Dion got the job at Colorado, and

623
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Speaker 2: from the moment the most of the world I know,

624
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 2: Shador had already been playing, But that's when he became

625
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:17,439
Speaker 2: a household name.

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00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 3: That's when the average.

627
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 2: Joe sports fan got to see Chador for the first

628
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 2: time and immediately and we all know, damn why. And

629
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Speaker 2: this is where I do believe that it's just kind

630
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 2: of all racism or kind of like cultural the moment

631
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 2: he became this controversial figure for no good reason at all,

632
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 2: where there were a lot of people rooting against him

633
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 2: for no good reason at all, just because Dad is

634
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,399
Speaker 2: who he is, and just because they made a lot

635
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 2: of noise and they walk with.

636
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Speaker 3: A big thump and all of that.

637
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 2: From that moment forward, I don't think Shador Sanders has

638
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 2: ever been a sympathetic figure.

639
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 5: No.

640
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 2: Today, he is m So that's that's something that is

641
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 2: new to this entire story, I think, And again I

642
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 2: bet Schador doesn't care, but maybe he does.

643
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Speaker 3: I've never met him. Like you're now.

644
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 2: A fifth round draft pick of the Cleveland Browns and

645
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 2: the second quarterback taken by that team in this draft,

646
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 2: and there are going to be more people now rooting

647
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 2: for him than maybe there would have been otherwise.

648
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, either way, whether we root form or not, I

649
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 5: think this young man's on a mission. You got to

650
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 5: remember people hated Deon Sanders, Other coaches, the community hated

651
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 5: Deon Sanders for what he was trying to do with Colorado.

652
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 5: Remember we were talking about it. Oh heed this and

653
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 5: he's that. What has he done there? He's taken when

654
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:13,399
Speaker 5: he's taken a school and a program that was an

655
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:19,399
Speaker 5: afterthought and made him viable in a year. Yep, He's

656
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 5: changed the economy in the whole city in two years.

657
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 3: He is, he is underpaid.

658
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 5: Where is the problem? Is what I want to know.

659
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 5: And I asked the same thing about Shador. Where is

660
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 5: the problem? Why would you.

661
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 4: Tear someone down?

662
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 3: They?

663
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 4: I mean, they.

664
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Speaker 5: Hated that Dion is doing what he's doing, but he

665
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 5: changed the landscape.

666
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 2: Of college like the way that he did it. Hum hmm, yeah, weird,

667
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 2: it's not it's not weird. It's unfortunate, but it's it's

668
00:39:58,320 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 2: it's not weird.

669
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Speaker 3: All right.

670
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 2: I can't wait to hear your draft day story. We'll

671
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Speaker 2: do that coming up next.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to Fox Sports.

673
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a big day and it's all unfolding as

674
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Speaker 2: we speak. You heard Martin talk about it. The NBA

675
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 2: playoffs have taken yet another chapter and thrown it.

676
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 3: Out there for us to read.

677
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:25,919
Speaker 2: Cavaliers taking control three to zero emphatically earlier today. Will

678
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 2: the Grizzlies be playing basketball for more than another hour

679
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 2: and a half or so, we'll find out about all

680
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 2: of that. Mark Willardy from Salam and of course the

681
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 2: news of the day, the draft starting to wind down

682
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 2: and come to a close, and Shedor Sanders has been

683
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 2: picked fifth round by the Cleveland Browns. But we promised it,

684
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 2: we wanted What was your draft story, man, pick number one?

685
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,919
Speaker 5: Oh my god, So coming out of San Diego State

686
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 5: in ninety eight, I spent a lot of time with

687
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 5: the scout. I can't remember his name, but he spent

688
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 5: a lot of time with me, and I thought I

689
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 5: was gonna be a Jet, and I thought I was.

690
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 5: Back then, the draft was two days, right Saturday, it

691
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 5: was first through third rounds and Sunday was fourth through seven.

692
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 5: That's just what it was. And so I thought I

693
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 5: was going to be a first day draft pick. And

694
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:31,359
Speaker 5: my teammate and line mate Kyle Turley was the first.

695
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 5: He was a seventh pick in the draft for the Saints.

696
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 5: He played right tackle in college. I played left tackle.

697
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 5: We had a pretty good offensive line to stay the least.

698
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 5: We both made All Rookie Team. By the way, that

699
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 5: in our rookie year in NFL. Just shout out to

700
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 5: Ed White, our offensive line coach, who played himself thirteen fourteen.

701
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 4: Years in the NFL.

702
00:41:54,640 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 5: But I was called by the Jets right starting the

703
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:02,720
Speaker 5: third round.

704
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 4: Scout reached out to me, like, how you doing.

705
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 5: Been working out? You ready to go? We're gonna take

706
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 5: a tackle. So I'm excited. Had a little draft party

707
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 5: going on, and that pick came and it was the

708
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:22,760
Speaker 5: New York Jets take Jason for Beanie, who was a tackle,

709
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 5: good tackle too. I had a good career.

710
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,800
Speaker 3: And that was that.

711
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,879
Speaker 5: That was the third round, third round. So second day

712
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 5: starts I'm there. Fourth round goals, fifth round goals, sixth

713
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 5: round goal. And I'm like and then I started getting

714
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 5: phone calls. Hey, being a free agent is not a

715
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 5: bad thing. You get to pick where you want. And

716
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 5: I'm just like, are you kidding me? Are you serious?

717
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 5: And so I just I just left my brother and

718
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 5: I got in a car. He was like, you know what,

719
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 5: let's go to the movies. So I was in the

720
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 5: car on my way to the movies in San Diego

721
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 5: and I get a phone call. I was like, hey, Ephraim,

722
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 5: this is this is art Shell.

723
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 3: Art Shell.

724
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:19,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I'm like, I've been getting these phone calls

725
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:23,760
Speaker 5: to tell me that I should go there in free agency.

726
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:29,399
Speaker 5: I see, and so I'm like yeah, and he was like, hey,

727
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 5: I'm just calling to tell you that we're gonna draft you.

728
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 4: And I was like oh. He was like.

729
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:42,720
Speaker 5: I was like, well, what round is it and what pick?

730
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 5: And he said you're not watching the draft? I said no,

731
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 5: I turned it off. And he said, well, it's the

732
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 5: one hundred and ninety ninth pick in the seventh round

733
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,240
Speaker 5: and he said you sound upset.

734
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 4: I said, well I am. He said why.

735
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 5: I said, well, I feel like I'm I'm better than

736
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 5: one hundred and ninety nine pick. He said, good, because

737
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 5: what you're gonna do is you're gonna come here and

738
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 5: you're gonna show us and everybody else while they made

739
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 5: a mistake. And he said, I'm gonna give you an

740
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 5: opportunity to compete?

741
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 4: How about that?

742
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 5: And I said, That's all I want. And that was

743
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:30,439
Speaker 5: my mindset going into the training camp. In mini camp

744
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 5: and in training camp, I knew I could play at

745
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 5: that level. Now, you gotta remember I was six seven

746
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 5: and a half two hundred and eighty five pounds two.

747
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 5: I think I was like eighty to eighty nine at

748
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 5: the combine, not very big for a tackle that's like.

749
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 4: A tight end. Uh. And so.

750
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 5: It just fueled me to the point where when I

751
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 5: get First of all, I learned to playbook really fast,

752
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 5: which allowed me to continue to.

753
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:09,359
Speaker 4: Move up the depth.

754
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 5: So I was the fourth string left tackle when I

755
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 5: got to camp. Bob Woodfield was the perennial left tackle.

756
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 5: He wasn't no, it wasn't no competing with him. But

757
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 5: they had brought in Cory Lucci, a five year guy

758
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 5: from Buffalo, to play right tackle, and Corey was about

759
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 5: six eight three thirty. He was a massive man, and

760
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:43,399
Speaker 5: early in camp he pulled his groin. So we come

761
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 5: into the meeting room. Art called all the young tackles

762
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 5: up to the board and he started calling out plays

763
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 5: and I would draw up the whole play, including wideouts

764
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 5: and what everybody did, and he was like wow. So

765
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 5: he gave me about six seven plays. I drew them

766
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 5: all up, pass plays and plays. He said, all right,

767
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 5: you're going to be second string right tackle. They moved

768
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 5: a second string right tackle up to the starter while

769
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,280
Speaker 5: Corey was out. Then I played second string right tackle,

770
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 5: got some games in at during the preseason, and in

771
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 5: the final preseason game, Art came to me.

772
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:24,959
Speaker 4: Corey was back.

773
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 3: Now.

774
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 5: Art came to me and said, hey, Corey is going

775
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 5: to start this fourth preseason game. You'll play the second quarter.

776
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,240
Speaker 5: Corey will play the third, and you'll play the fourth,

777
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 5: and whoever wins, whoever plays better, will be our starting

778
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 5: right tackle next week.

779
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 4: Opening that's a lot on the line.

780
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:55,760
Speaker 5: So Corey took it as an insult, because no veteran

781
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 5: players want to play in the fourth preseason game, let

782
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 5: alone compete with a rookie seventh round draft pick. I

783
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 5: took it as this is exactly what I've been looking for,

784
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 5: an actual opportunity chance. Yes, and so I just I

785
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 5: relished it. I stood there the whole first quarter with

786
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 5: my helmet on and the chin strap buckled, and I

787
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 5: went out there and I put it all out there

788
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 5: on the line.

789
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 4: And that next day they cut Corey and I was

790
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 4: the starting right tackle.

791
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:32,879
Speaker 3: Oh they cut him.

792
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 4: Cut him? Oh, cut him.

793
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 5: I saw him that morning when I was going down

794
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 5: to the breakfast. I said, what's up, Corey, and he

795
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 5: just walked right by me, and I was like, oh, okay. Well,

796
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 5: and then you know, I got in the meeting and

797
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:47,720
Speaker 5: they were like, yeah, they just cut Corey.

798
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:47,919
Speaker 3: Man.

799
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 2: Was that because you outplayed him or because of his

800
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 2: attitude or both?

801
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 4: Oh it was a combination of both. Yeah.

802
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 5: Man, I went out there, and I mean, I'm I

803
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 5: end up, you know, starting all nineteen games, including the

804
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 5: Super Bowl. I was the youngest player to ever start

805
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 5: in the Super Bowl, and I made the All Rookie

806
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 5: team from a seventh nine draft pick. That's how you

807
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:14,760
Speaker 5: start your career. It doesn't matter where you get drafted.

808
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:19,320
Speaker 5: I promise you, if you have an opportunity to compete,

809
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 5: then just go do that, right you can't. My dad

810
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:29,479
Speaker 5: told me a long time ago. You can't control when,

811
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:35,919
Speaker 5: how long, and where. All you can control is how

812
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 5: can't control when you play, where you play, and how

813
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 5: long you play. The only thing you can control is

814
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 5: how you play, So focus on that. So I went

815
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 5: in there with a huge chip on my shoulder, and

816
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,760
Speaker 5: that chip got me to thirteen years in the NFL

817
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 5: and one hundred and twenty nine starts and one hundred

818
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:00,720
Speaker 5: and fifty six games.

819
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 4: About seventh round draft pick, I love.

820
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 2: It, And maybe maybe she Jordan now brings the uh,

821
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:10,760
Speaker 2: maybe he brings the same chip.

822
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 3: Maybe he already had it.

823
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 4: Now he's got a little bit more money than I

824
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 4: started with.

825
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, my signing bonus was twenty six thousand dollars nineteen

826
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 5: after taxes.

827
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:28,800
Speaker 4: And my guess what I made that year? My total?

828
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:32,720
Speaker 2: Sound gosh, your seventh round pick? And what year was this?

829
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 4: This was ninety eight, nineteen ninety eight.

830
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 3: Good lord, I bet you made. I mean you two

831
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 3: hundred and seventy eight thousand.

832
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 5: Dollars one hundred and seventy six thousand dollars before taxes.

833
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 5: Oh gosh, to start nineteen games including the Super Bowl.

834
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 4: I mean, it's a nice salary of nineteen ninety That

835
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 4: is not a nice salary.

836
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:03,359
Speaker 2: Nice salary for it's a job for a lawyer. I mad,

837
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 2: only your job was only four months long. It's a

838
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:06,840
Speaker 2: great salary.

839
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:13,280
Speaker 5: What the person next to me was making three million

840
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 5: dollars a year?

841
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 4: Yep, yep, Yeah, that's not a nice salary.

842
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 2: And this is but you had January through July where you.

843
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 5: Could you know, I ran out of money, stock shelves,

844
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 5: I ran out of money. I bought ten thousand dollars

845
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 5: from my sister to get me back to to to

846
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 5: the next season.

847
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 3: I hear you, man, we've all been there.

848
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 5: I ran out of money, gone, and so.

849
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 4: That that is my I didn't make it.

850
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 5: I didn't make any money for four years because back then,

851
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 5: you know, they had your rights for four years, and

852
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 5: they weren't.

853
00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 3: You know, still they still kind of do.

854
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's why brock Perdy's only made Yeah, but

855
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 2: nine hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year.

856
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 4: He's had three years of starting. So now he's.

857
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 3: Also got the Toyota contract.

858
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 5: Right, we didn't have any of that, right you did.

859
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 5: But you know what his minimum is seven hundred thousand dollars.

860
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 3: I'm like, what right? Right?

861
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 4: The veteran minimum is a million dollars.

862
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,319
Speaker 3: I know, but have you seen the price of eggs.

863
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:27,320
Speaker 4: It's different a million dollars.

864
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:27,919
Speaker 3: But you could have get you getting eggs for buck

865
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 3: ninety nine back then.

866
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 5: Man, I tell you what I take being a rookie.

867
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 5: The minimum salary, I believe is eight hundred and fifty

868
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 5: thousand dollars for a rookie. Now, so these guys were

869
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:46,720
Speaker 5: watching in these draft this draft room.

870
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 4: I'm gonna look it up right now. I'm bad, are

871
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 4: you No?

872
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 3: No, I mean they got to go make the team.

873
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 2: Though they do have to go make the team.

874
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 5: Yeah, they gotta make the team. I mean that's the

875
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 5: easy part. And in terms of you're here to do

876
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 5: one thing, right if you're a football and I don't

877
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 5: want to say it's easy, but it was easy for

878
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:10,479
Speaker 5: me because I'm like, I'm here, Like in my mind,

879
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 5: I'm like, I'm here to play.

880
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:14,720
Speaker 3: I got eight hundred and forty thousand.

881
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 2: Dollars minimum salary today. Oh my god, it just went up.

882
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:20,879
Speaker 2: It just went up forty five thousand dollars from last year.

883
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 2: Used to be seven hundred ninety five.

884
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:23,839
Speaker 4: Good lord, man.

885
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:26,800
Speaker 3: Now, it's eight hundred and forty unbelievable, which.

886
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:30,439
Speaker 2: Means in twenty thirty, when we do that our next

887
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 2: show in twenty thirty, it will be a million dollars.

888
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 5: Now, that's the rookie minimum. What's the veteran minimum. The

889
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 5: veteran minimum.

890
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 2: Veteran minimum is veteran minimum. Salary starts at nine hundred

891
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 2: and fifteen thousand dollars for players with one year of service.

892
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,760
Speaker 2: It increases based on the number of years they've played.

893
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 2: If you've played seven plus years, the minimum is one

894
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 2: point two one million.

895
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:05,360
Speaker 4: Dollars period period.

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00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 5: There you go, Yes, that not one hundred and sixty

897
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 5: seven thousand, and.

898
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:16,880
Speaker 2: They've already announced that by next season twenty twenty six,

899
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 2: the veteran minimum will be over a million dollars.

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00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:25,760
Speaker 5: Yep, but it'll only count as the rookie minimum counts

901
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,319
Speaker 5: in terms of against the cap. That's how they did it,

902
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 5: because guys teams were getting rid of veteran guys for

903
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 5: younger guys, and they the.

904
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 4: NFLPA came in and put a kebas to that.

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00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 2: Two more NFL items to toss out there before we

906
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:48,320
Speaker 2: get over all NFL, before we get to some NBA

907
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 2: all and.

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00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 4: It's an NFL show what you talking about before?

909
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:55,760
Speaker 2: It's called Fox Sports Saturday. And the NBA is a sport,

910
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:59,319
Speaker 2: so anyway. But but there are two more NFL things.

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00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 2: First of all, how did the Browns arrive at this?

912
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 2: I want to know when you think they started thinking

913
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 2: about this, because no way in hell this was the plan.

914
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:10,320
Speaker 2: There's no way in hell they sat there Thursday and

915
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 2: they're like, we can get a quarterback and then we

916
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 2: could get shitdor on Saturday. There's no way they thought

917
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 2: that was the possibility. And the Steelers, who did finally

918
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 2: pick a QB. His name is will Howard. Many of

919
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 2: you have heard of him. That's Ohio State's quarterback. They

920
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:31,800
Speaker 2: did finally grab him today in the sixth round. But

921
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 2: the Browns division mates the Steelers, what are they doing

922
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 2: and who are they waiting for? So we get to

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Speaker 2: Saturday and Sunday morning, right here on Fox Sports Radio

942
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 2: and the iHeartRadio app. So we were tossing this around

943
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 2: during one of the breaks short time ago, Ephraim, and

944
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 2: that is where do you think that this pick came from?

945
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 3: Should say the fifth round? And here's what I mean

946
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 3: by that.

947
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:06,800
Speaker 2: The general manager of the Browns had an interesting press

948
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 2: conference just yesterday. Three rounds are in. He has not

949
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 2: been picked. They have picked a different quarterback. And in

950
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 2: talking through that with the media, there were two quotes

951
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 2: that stood out. One was as far as sha door

952
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 2: is concerned. Sometimes things do come down to a fit.

953
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 2: He used the word fit, which makes you think that

954
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 2: the Browns didn't think, for whatever reason, that shaduur fit.

955
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 2: On the next hand, he said, I want to remind

956
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 2: everybody there are four more rounds to go. There are

957
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:45,840
Speaker 2: four more rounds to go. And then they didn't just

958
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 2: take him in the fifth round. They trade it up

959
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 2: to get him. And I don't know if this is fair.

960
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 2: Viral video going around right now of the war room

961
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 2: with the Cleveland Browns, and this is the way the

962
00:56:58,360 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 2: Browns do it.

963
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 3: Once a pick is made.

964
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:04,320
Speaker 2: They got everybody there just kind of sitting there clapping

965
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 2: like all right, we've made our pick. And my god,

966
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 2: they look robotic and bored, like as all get.

967
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:14,399
Speaker 4: Out, not a lot of excitement in them.

968
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 3: No, I didn't see a high five or anything.

969
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 2: But it is round five as well, and you've got

970
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 2: seventy eight other quarterbacks in your room.

971
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Speaker 3: So I don't did ownership do this.

972
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 2: Do you think that this came from ownership or do

973
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 2: you believe that the Browns football people were like, hey,

974
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 2: there's an opportunity, because my god, he's still available in

975
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 2: round five.

976
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 5: I think, well, Like I said, I think this was

977
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 5: a situation where.

978
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 4: You're not necessarily drafting.

979
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 5: For a starter in round five at quarterback, so essentially

980
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 5: you're playing with house money now. And I felt that

981
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 5: that they knew he was going to come off the

982
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 5: board pretty soon, and so stepping in and picking him

983
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 5: gives you an opportunity to bolster that quarterback room that's

984
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 5: already packed, but it also adds gives you an opportunity

985
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 5: to add a level of competition there. So if Shadward thinks,

986
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 5: if he ends up being who he thinks he is,

987
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 5: that's the best thing that ever could have happened to

988
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 5: the Browns, right, that's the upside with no risk. They

989
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 5: minimize the risk by drafting him in the fifth round.

990
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 5: A lot of fifth round draft picks don't even make teams,

991
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 5: let alone start right, especially at the quarterback position. So

992
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 5: it's a situation where it's a win win for them.

993
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 5: The jersey's gonna sail, and if he turns out to

994
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 5: be who he thinks he is, they may have solved

995
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 5: their quarterback issue.

996
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 4: So what's the downside?

997
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 3: None, There's none. There's none, There's none.

998
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 4: And I think that was the sentiment there.

999
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 2: Like you know you you hear people and and and

1000
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 2: we brought it up earlier where I know some people

1001
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 2: thought that this started to feel like the Kaepernick situation

1002
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 2: where owners are sitting there going, look, this is not

1003
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 2: worth the distraction. That was the word they always wanted

1004
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 2: to bring out, because it was going to bring just

1005
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 2: media trucks and everything is going to be coming to

1006
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:53,440
Speaker 2: your building.

1007
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 3: Like, I don't feel any of that here, No, because.

1008
00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 2: This is this is gonna get to be honest with you, Yeah,

1009
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:03,200
Speaker 2: there will always be attention on his name because he's

1010
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 2: a big celebrity, but I honestly feel like when like

1011
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 2: it's Saturday, when we get to Monday afternoon.

1012
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:10,479
Speaker 3: This is over.

1013
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's over.

1014
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 3: This is gone. There's nothing to say or see here.

1015
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 2: A guy got picked, by the way, you want to

1016
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 2: know who did look really happy when the.

1017
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 3: Selection was made, Shadure.

1018
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 2: I don't know if everybody has seen this clip of

1019
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 2: him and Shiloh dancing together yep and putting a hat

1020
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 2: on as soon as the pick was made, which is

1021
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:36,920
Speaker 2: very different than the story. For instance, you shared about

1022
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 2: yourself right where you're like, you know, you can imagine

1023
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 2: how the world would react if this pick finally got

1024
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 2: made and Shadeur had left and he was at the movies.

1025
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, and this is a guy who was on everyone's

1026
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:51,840
Speaker 5: all the prognosticators.

1027
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 4: He was one to two on their board in terms

1028
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 4: of quarterback.

1029
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 3: Yep.

1030
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 5: The only guy rated ahead of him on most boards

1031
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 5: was Cam Moreton.

1032
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 3: That was it.

1033
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 5: So he's excited to be drafted, be in the NFL,

1034
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 5: and so now he has an opportunity to to go

1035
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 5: prove why.

1036
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 2: He ends up being the one two, three, four, five

1037
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 2: six quarterback taken.

1038
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 4: And that's the problem I'm having.

1039
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, and I I'll back you on.

1040
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 4: That's crazy to me.

1041
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:43,960
Speaker 3: Come on, did you see Dylan gabriel man in the

1042
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 3: rough Man?

1043
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 4: Come on, bro?

1044
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 3: But they got them both.

1045
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 4: What's the kid? And in Louisville kid, what's his name?

1046
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 5: Tyler Shuck? Tyler Shuck, Tyler Shuck. Tyler Shuck is twenty

1047
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 5: seven years old. Well, you've been a kind of seven years.

1048
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:06,320
Speaker 2: They're never gonna have to pay him one of those

1049
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 2: second contracts because he'll retire.

1050
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 4: It'll be in a kind of seven years. It's real.

1051
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:13,720
Speaker 4: I'm not making that up.

1052
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 3: I got friends who did that.

1053
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:19,040
Speaker 4: He played for seven years.

1054
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, what I don't know. I don't know.

1055
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 5: It's not a great Do you draft that guy over

1056
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 5: Shad's enders?

1057
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 3: It's not a great quarterback draft?

1058
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 4: No, it's not.

1059
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 3: And we know that going into Yes, we did, we

1060
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 3: absolutely did.

1061
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 5: We did what Shuder was one of the bright spots

1062
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 5: in a mediocre class.

1063
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 2: Ooh, speaking of bright spots, Martin Weiss a bright spot

1064
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:49,200
Speaker 2: on the show as it brings us what's trending right now?

1065
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:51,360
Speaker 4: Martin speaking of on the show.

1066
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:54,360
Speaker 8: That's how Tyler Shuck's name should be pronounced Tyler's show.

1067
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:55,520
Speaker 3: I agree with you.

1068
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:59,320
Speaker 8: Who was born in nineteen ninety nine. He's going to

1069
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:02,840
Speaker 8: be the last player ever drafted for the nineteen ninety

1070
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 8: born in the nineteen hundreds. He was high school rivals

1071
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:11,920
Speaker 8: with Brock Purdy. I don't know who had the best

1072
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:14,200
Speaker 8: of that, Like, who was better than the Brock Purty

1073
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:15,240
Speaker 8: was his high school rival.

1074
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:16,200
Speaker 4: And there's a.

1075
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:19,800
Speaker 8: Tweet out there from two thoy and nineteen in which

1076
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:24,160
Speaker 8: Tyler Shuck came in for relief of Justin Herbert after

1077
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:27,200
Speaker 8: Justin Herbert was twenty one for twenty six and some

1078
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 8: game in November of twenty and nineteen, and he was.

1079
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:34,240
Speaker 5: In the same class coming out of high school as

1080
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 5: Trevor Lawrence.

1081
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 4: I mean, we've been in the league five years. When

1082
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:41,200
Speaker 4: you close your eyes and think about it, E f

1083
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:41,800
Speaker 4: froman just.

1084
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 8: This year, seven year starter, four season ending injuries, twenty

1085
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 8: five years old. Can't miss prospector right, can't miss the

1086
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:51,480
Speaker 8: Cleveland Browns.

1087
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:53,360
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I'm a SATs fan. I just looked at that.

1088
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 8: I tried, like for minutes, that's little ten minutes, ridiculous

1089
01:03:57,640 --> 01:03:59,720
Speaker 8: to come up with a tank, and I just all

1090
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 8: I could I think, was what a joke? Like, what

1091
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 8: a joke of an organization? Who just anyway? I mean, yes,

1092
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:12,880
Speaker 8: I was to the news. The Cleveland Browns traded up

1093
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 8: with the Seattle Seahawks to select Shador Sanders.

1094
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 4: With the one hundred and forty fourth overall pick in

1095
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:18,120
Speaker 4: the fifth round.

1096
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:21,760
Speaker 8: The Browns also drafted quarterback Dylan Gabriel in the third round,

1097
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:24,800
Speaker 8: so Chador was the second quarterback drafted by his own

1098
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:27,600
Speaker 8: team after a lot of prognosticators expect him to be

1099
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 8: the second quarterback drafted in general. The Seahawks have traded

1100
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:34,640
Speaker 8: quarterback Sam Howel to the Vikings. Vikings got a fifth

1101
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:37,680
Speaker 8: round pick from this. I'm sorry, Vikings traded a fifth

1102
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:40,640
Speaker 8: round pick to Seattle in exchange for Sam Howell and

1103
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:44,040
Speaker 8: a fifth rounder back. About thirty spots later, the Pittsburgh

1104
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:47,880
Speaker 8: Steelers did draft a quarterback, Ohio State's Will Howard in

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Speaker 8: the sixth round, and also, of course, going with that

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01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 8: Sam Howell news, the Seattle Seahawks drafted quarterback Jaln Milroe

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Speaker 8: out of Alabama in the third round in the NBA.

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01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:01,240
Speaker 8: Looks like there might be just a quarter left for

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01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 8: the Memphis Grizzlies, as O Case leads the series three

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Speaker 8: games to none in the first round of the Western

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01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:10,720
Speaker 8: Conference playoffs. Here, but the Thunder lead this game right

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Speaker 8: now three by three points, eighty eight to eighty five,

1113
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:17,080
Speaker 8: say Gulgas Alexander with thirty one points and six assists.

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01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:19,640
Speaker 8: Again nearing the start of the fourth quarter of their

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01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:23,240
Speaker 8: Cavaliers beat the heat one, twenty four to eighty seven.

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Speaker 4: They lead the series three to nothing.

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Speaker 8: If there was ever an argument for y series need

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Speaker 8: to go best to five again, that's one of them.

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01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:33,240
Speaker 8: The Wild are leading the Golden Knights two to one,

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01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:35,800
Speaker 8: six point thirty six left in the second period.

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01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 4: Earlier today, the Lightning beat.

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01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 8: The Panthers five to one, get back into that series.

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Speaker 8: Florida still leads it, though two to one. Major League

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Speaker 8: Baseball excuse me. Top of the ninth inning, the Reds

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01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:49,439
Speaker 8: have a four to three lead over the Rockies. Top

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Speaker 8: of the second inning, Mets and National still scoreless. Phillies

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Speaker 8: with a six nothing lead over the Cubs. Bottom of

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Speaker 8: the fifth on Fox. Also on Fox, Rangers and the

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01:05:57,800 --> 01:06:00,480
Speaker 8: Giants tied to a piece. Also bottom of the fifth

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Speaker 8: and near in the bottom of the sixth inning, the

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01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:05,280
Speaker 8: White Sox have a six or lead on the A's

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Speaker 8: seven to one.

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Speaker 2: off the air.

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01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:04,320
Speaker 3: But five minutes left and and probably a pure pain

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01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:11,680
Speaker 3: for you e from salam No where you at? No, no, no,

1152
01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:12,680
Speaker 3: genuinely where you're at.

1153
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:14,600
Speaker 2: Look, the Warriors could be in the same position here

1154
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:18,400
Speaker 2: in a few hours. But I, like we talked last Sunday,

1155
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:20,600
Speaker 2: the Lakers needed a response.

1156
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:24,800
Speaker 3: They got it. But now you go lose Game three.

1157
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:28,960
Speaker 2: The analytics will tell you when the series is tied

1158
01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:33,440
Speaker 2: one to one, whoever wins Game three, that's like almost

1159
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:36,400
Speaker 2: an eighty percent chance that they're going to win the series.

1160
01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:39,600
Speaker 2: I think it's funny though, that people always call game

1161
01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:44,160
Speaker 2: three in game five pivotal, like they're all big, but

1162
01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:46,680
Speaker 2: the other team can just go win the next game

1163
01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:49,560
Speaker 2: and even it right back up. Like to me, the

1164
01:07:49,640 --> 01:07:52,720
Speaker 2: even numbered games are bigger because that's where you can

1165
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:53,920
Speaker 2: create some space.

1166
01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:57,520
Speaker 3: That's just me. I want to know where you're at.

1167
01:07:57,720 --> 01:08:00,800
Speaker 2: After the Timberwolves had a good performance last night and

1168
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:02,200
Speaker 2: took a two to one lead on.

1169
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:11,560
Speaker 4: La okay, so I was disappointed in the effort.

1170
01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:17,679
Speaker 5: Ye wait a minute, hold on, hold on now, Lebron

1171
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:23,200
Speaker 5: James clearly came out on a mission. He turned back

1172
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:24,000
Speaker 5: the clock.

1173
01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:30,400
Speaker 3: He was crazy. He was crazy that second half go ahead.

1174
01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:38,080
Speaker 5: Now, this is the problem I had, now, Luca, although

1175
01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:44,200
Speaker 5: under the weather, yep, he wasn't under the weather the

1176
01:08:44,320 --> 01:08:49,200
Speaker 5: right way. How does that mean as an athlete? And

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01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:52,040
Speaker 5: I've been there, A lot of athletes have been there.

1178
01:08:54,320 --> 01:09:00,759
Speaker 5: You don't let being under the weather effect the outcome

1179
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:02,760
Speaker 5: your effort.

1180
01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:05,240
Speaker 4: You can't use it.

1181
01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:10,920
Speaker 5: So most athletes are hyper focused on not using it

1182
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:18,799
Speaker 5: as an excuse, So they tap into something that allows

1183
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:24,920
Speaker 5: them to compartmentalize how they're feeling and keep it separate

1184
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:29,640
Speaker 5: from the output. He did a lot of walking around,

1185
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:34,559
Speaker 5: not getting back on defense, like and I get it.

1186
01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:38,599
Speaker 5: There's been plenty of athletes who didn't feel well who

1187
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:43,760
Speaker 5: went out and had tremendous games. But just watching him

1188
01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:50,040
Speaker 5: walk up and down shot six for sixteen, two for eight, uninterested.

1189
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:54,280
Speaker 5: That is the part that bothered me. When you had

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01:09:54,320 --> 01:10:03,120
Speaker 5: a forty year old flying around doing everything, trying to

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01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:05,880
Speaker 5: do everything, and you're supposed to be there to take

1192
01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:11,240
Speaker 5: that pressure off of it. So that's the problem that

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01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:16,360
Speaker 5: bothered me is the number one of the turnovers. Can't

1194
01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:18,120
Speaker 5: win the games. If you turn the ball over like

1195
01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:21,760
Speaker 5: that like that, it's got to stop. That's one of

1196
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:23,200
Speaker 5: my biggest pet peeves, turnovers.

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01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:26,840
Speaker 3: I didn't look at the what was the box score

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01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:27,479
Speaker 3: number on that?

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Speaker 2: Let me see here, sixteen sixteen only eight for the

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01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:35,960
Speaker 2: timber Wolves. There you go, yeah against sixteen sixteen. I

1201
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:41,000
Speaker 2: five from Luca. Yeah, yeah, my number. For whatever reason,

1202
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:45,760
Speaker 2: it's just my number. Thirteen and a half. You play

1203
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:48,559
Speaker 2: under thirteen and a half, you had a great chance

1204
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:49,800
Speaker 2: to win a basketball game.

1205
01:10:50,439 --> 01:10:55,439
Speaker 3: You go north to that, you're flirting with disaster.

1206
01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:56,360
Speaker 4: Yep.

1207
01:10:56,680 --> 01:10:58,759
Speaker 3: And if you look at these playoff games and.

1208
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:03,040
Speaker 2: Go to that alone, if you want to box score,

1209
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:07,519
Speaker 2: dive that stat alone, and you will probably find the

1210
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:08,200
Speaker 2: winner of the game.

1211
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:10,479
Speaker 5: That's it, I'm telling you. And these goal and when

1212
01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:14,760
Speaker 5: they're when they're met, does it even match? These two

1213
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:16,120
Speaker 5: teams are evenly met?

1214
01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:18,200
Speaker 3: They are? It is. It's a hell of a watch.

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01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:21,840
Speaker 3: It's a really yes.

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01:11:22,040 --> 01:11:30,599
Speaker 2: Although although that's less evenly matched, I would argue. I

1217
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:31,240
Speaker 2: know that the.

1218
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Speaker 3: Games were unbelievably close in Denver.

1219
01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:37,640
Speaker 2: I don't think that they're I think it's going to

1220
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:40,559
Speaker 2: be not that close again today the Clippers are better.

1221
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:41,639
Speaker 3: The Clippers are.

1222
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:45,799
Speaker 2: Better, they are and they're more on the same page Denver.

1223
01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:49,000
Speaker 2: I don't know exactly what all this is. Coach fired,

1224
01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:52,479
Speaker 2: young guy playing, old guy playing. People are barking at

1225
01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:55,160
Speaker 2: each other. I'm not sure what's going on. But they're

1226
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:58,919
Speaker 2: not on the same page Denver Nuggets.

1227
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Speaker 4: So it's hmmm, we'll see, man.

1228
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:08,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, how do you feel right now? I you think

1229
01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:09,759
Speaker 3: they're going to rally?

1230
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:11,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think they're rally. I think they're gonna have

1231
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:13,080
Speaker 5: a big game tomorrow.

1232
01:12:13,320 --> 01:12:15,720
Speaker 3: Better get that one. Gotta have it, gotta have it,

1233
01:12:16,439 --> 01:12:22,400
Speaker 3: just like, yeah, you know what the Luca thing.

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01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:27,439
Speaker 2: You watch the interviews that he recently finally did where

1235
01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:30,280
Speaker 2: he talked about Dallas. You remember that the way he

1236
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:34,479
Speaker 2: teared up and cried when they went back to Dallas.

1237
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:38,760
Speaker 3: Yep, I'm just throwing something out there.

1238
01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:46,200
Speaker 2: But how badly do you think he really really like

1239
01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:51,840
Speaker 2: wants to be where he is in this moment. I

1240
01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:54,600
Speaker 2: don't think he's working against the Lakers. I mean, you

1241
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:56,800
Speaker 2: are where you are, you play hard. I get it,

1242
01:12:57,720 --> 01:13:02,280
Speaker 2: but you're gonna get a different level of player if

1243
01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:05,800
Speaker 2: you're if there's a comfort level with who you are,

1244
01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:10,599
Speaker 2: where you are, what you're doing, your teammates, all of that. Like,

1245
01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:13,040
Speaker 2: I just watched all of that, and it was very

1246
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:17,839
Speaker 2: clear that he never ever, ever wanted this to happen.

1247
01:13:19,439 --> 01:13:21,479
Speaker 2: And I wonder how it affects a night like last

1248
01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:23,000
Speaker 2: night the way you're talking about it.

1249
01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:26,160
Speaker 5: Well, I think the fact that he wasn't feeling well

1250
01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:28,639
Speaker 5: and he wasn't able to tap into that next level

1251
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:31,519
Speaker 5: that you need to tap into a lot of that

1252
01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:32,240
Speaker 5: is part of it.

1253
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:33,800
Speaker 4: Right.

1254
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:37,320
Speaker 5: You start feeling sorry for yourself opposed to making the

1255
01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:40,960
Speaker 5: other team feel sorry. And that's the problem I had,

1256
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:45,120
Speaker 5: Like you you got to tap in, man. You got

1257
01:13:45,200 --> 01:13:49,639
Speaker 5: Lebron James at forty forty years old flying up.

1258
01:13:49,640 --> 01:13:52,120
Speaker 4: And down there. He had one turnover. Dude, he is

1259
01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:53,719
Speaker 4: shooting three, he was on fire.

1260
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:56,200
Speaker 2: He's shooting threes from Mars and he was not even

1261
01:13:56,280 --> 01:13:56,920
Speaker 2: hitting the.

1262
01:13:56,920 --> 01:14:00,759
Speaker 4: Rim and you feeling some alright for yourself.

1263
01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:06,160
Speaker 2: I did not get the greatest feeling in my belly

1264
01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:10,000
Speaker 2: when I watched those interviews, because it was like, did

1265
01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:12,360
Speaker 2: you did you think you were going to retire in Dallas.

1266
01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:15,760
Speaker 2: He's like, that's the easiest question ever, of course, and

1267
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:17,760
Speaker 2: then he's like no. They're like are you are you?

1268
01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:20,880
Speaker 2: Do you want to be here now? Do you want

1269
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:26,960
Speaker 2: to retire here? And he's like, yes, Oh I didn't

1270
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:30,120
Speaker 2: feel that one the same way. I didn't feel that

1271
01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:35,919
Speaker 2: one the same way that I felt the first one. Sure, yeah, okay, anyway,

1272
01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:39,519
Speaker 2: let's get let's get to this though. Coming up next,

1273
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:43,719
Speaker 2: let's bring all the series into play. Has the league

1274
01:14:44,120 --> 01:14:48,200
Speaker 2: have the refs lost control? Let's let's get into this.

1275
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:51,839
Speaker 2: We'll do it next in the Fox Sports Radio studios.

1276
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:54,080
Speaker 2: That's coming up next. That's e from Salama Mark whether

1277
01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 2: it's Fox Sports Radio all right, these are the Fox

1278
01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:01,920
Speaker 2: Sports Radio studios.

1279
01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:06,400
Speaker 3: Steve Hartman and Olden Polonies.

1280
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:11,040
Speaker 2: Are gonna jump in here next as Fox Sports Saturday continues.

1281
01:15:12,920 --> 01:15:14,920
Speaker 3: Look, man, I get it. I get it.

1282
01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:17,240
Speaker 2: If you're an NBA fan, you almost kind of want

1283
01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:21,160
Speaker 2: to treat all of these games the same way you

1284
01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:23,440
Speaker 2: might treat your kids.

1285
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:26,520
Speaker 3: When they're really really like really really really.

1286
01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:29,439
Speaker 2: Not listening, and you just want to go out there

1287
01:15:29,479 --> 01:15:33,720
Speaker 2: and be like, fine, I'm going to call everything.

1288
01:15:35,479 --> 01:15:38,280
Speaker 3: If this is the way you're all gonna play basketball.

1289
01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:42,240
Speaker 2: If you're all just gonna beat the living hell out

1290
01:15:42,280 --> 01:15:48,840
Speaker 2: of each other, then I'm gonna call everything, but they can't.

1291
01:15:49,439 --> 01:15:51,960
Speaker 2: This is something that I think rarely happens in the

1292
01:15:51,960 --> 01:15:54,439
Speaker 2: world of fans and sports media. I'd like to, for

1293
01:15:54,479 --> 01:15:57,840
Speaker 2: a minute kind of have the refs back only a

1294
01:15:57,880 --> 01:16:01,240
Speaker 2: little bit, but I think they're job in these playoffs

1295
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:05,320
Speaker 2: is really hard. I don't know what they're supposed to do.

1296
01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:11,759
Speaker 2: There's a foul on every play on the ball, off

1297
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:15,000
Speaker 2: the ball. The only thing I would sort of look

1298
01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:20,120
Speaker 2: for is stuff that looks targeted and specific and strategic.

1299
01:16:20,840 --> 01:16:23,639
Speaker 2: I get that people are battling and pushing and shoving,

1300
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:28,479
Speaker 2: but there are certain stars. It looked to me like

1301
01:16:28,760 --> 01:16:33,800
Speaker 2: Orlando is trying to do specific things to Jalen Brown.

1302
01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:34,479
Speaker 3: And Jason Tatum.

1303
01:16:34,920 --> 01:16:38,720
Speaker 2: It looks to me like Houston has been told just

1304
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:43,840
Speaker 2: arm bar Steph Curry, just grab the waist everywhere he goes,

1305
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:46,360
Speaker 2: whether he's got the ball or not. It looks to

1306
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:50,360
Speaker 2: me like those things have been taught and strategized. And

1307
01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:53,479
Speaker 2: if that's the case, then more whistles need to blow.

1308
01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:56,719
Speaker 2: But at the same time, I don't really know exactly

1309
01:16:56,760 --> 01:17:02,559
Speaker 2: what to do here because the playoffs are always physical.

1310
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:05,559
Speaker 3: But I don't know, man, this does this look the

1311
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:06,200
Speaker 3: same to you?

1312
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:13,800
Speaker 4: It takes me back to the old days. Yeah, and

1313
01:17:13,960 --> 01:17:14,840
Speaker 4: I'm okay with it.

1314
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:16,680
Speaker 3: You're okay with it.

1315
01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:19,880
Speaker 4: I'm okay with the physicality in the playoffs.

1316
01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:20,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1317
01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:24,040
Speaker 2: It's a fine line though, isn't it. I'm okay with physicality.

1318
01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:24,639
Speaker 3: What I'm not.

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Speaker 2: Okay with is just people getting away with stuff all

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Speaker 2: over the place.

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Speaker 3: Games.

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Speaker 5: Well, I'm okay with the because it should be more

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01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:36,839
Speaker 5: physical in the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: Of course it will be. That's natural.

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Speaker 5: And so I'm okay with the refs allowing these guys

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01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:46,559
Speaker 5: to be physical with each other, allowing these guys to

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01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:53,120
Speaker 5: compete a little bit, you know, more aggressive when it

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01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:58,479
Speaker 5: comes to uh these games. If you're playing the same

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01:17:58,520 --> 01:18:00,920
Speaker 5: team over and over again, the only thing that you

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Speaker 5: can do is change your level of intensity. So instead

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01:18:07,479 --> 01:18:10,360
Speaker 5: of you know, oh well we got to get more

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01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:13,879
Speaker 5: threes up or we gotta know. I think the physical

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01:18:14,040 --> 01:18:17,800
Speaker 5: like the what JJ Reddick said after the end of

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01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:25,160
Speaker 5: the first game, huh their physicality surprised. Don't be surprised, right, No,

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01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:28,160
Speaker 5: it should be like that. Julius Randall is a bull

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Speaker 5: in a china shop.

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Speaker 3: And I don't mind that. I don't mind that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but we've had we've had two players and the

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01:18:36,520 --> 01:18:39,200
Speaker 2: cardinal rule of basketball, and I know sometimes you end

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01:18:39,280 --> 01:18:40,360
Speaker 2: up there accidentally.

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01:18:40,400 --> 01:18:41,880
Speaker 3: I can remember this happened to me.

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Speaker 2: In high school, where you're like, I didn't mean to

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01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:45,719
Speaker 2: upend that guy.

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01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:47,599
Speaker 3: But if somebody's up in the air.

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01:18:48,120 --> 01:18:53,080
Speaker 2: We've had two players go flying to the ground totally

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01:18:53,200 --> 01:18:57,000
Speaker 2: upended while they were mid air. And and not John

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01:18:57,040 --> 01:19:01,160
Speaker 2: Moran out essentially out for the season. Yeah, knocked him

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Speaker 2: out for the season because I don't know if they're

1349
01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:04,800
Speaker 2: going to win today or not, right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:19:05,560 --> 01:19:10,519
Speaker 2: And and Jimmy Butler I think might play tonight. But dude, like,

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Speaker 2: you can't do that in basketball. You can't have it.

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Speaker 2: It's it's it's a known, unwritten, written whatever, it's a

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01:19:18,720 --> 01:19:19,200
Speaker 2: known thing.

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Speaker 3: You just don't upend people out like that.

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01:19:22,360 --> 01:19:22,599
Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And the one on Jimmy, I don't think that was.

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Speaker 4: I don't think that was.

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01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:28,880
Speaker 2: I don't think it was dirty either. I really thought

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01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:31,640
Speaker 2: it was. It was. He did not mean to end

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01:19:31,720 --> 01:19:36,320
Speaker 2: up there, No, But at the same time, he did.

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01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:39,639
Speaker 3: He did, he did, he did.

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01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:43,960
Speaker 2: And we're only like two three games in on these series, right,

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Speaker 2: And didn't. Good Lord, all right, you know what's really

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01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:52,000
Speaker 2: fun about this, uh mister Aram salamis get I get

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Speaker 2: to see you tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Tomorrow I will do it again.

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Speaker 2: Tomorrow we'll have more looking back at the draft and

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Speaker 2: the NBA playoffs as well. Until then, have a good day.