WEBVTT - Killer Dad Chris Watts Secret Prison Bride, Steamy Makeout Sessions 0:00:00.880 --> 0:00:02.559 Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 0:00:06.960 --> 0:00:13.399 Killer dad Chris Watts murders his pregnant wife Shenan and 0:00:13.520 --> 0:00:18.840 their unborn baby boy Nico, and both office little girls 0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:28.440 Bella and Celeste. Tonight, bombshell Chris Watts, secret prison bride 0:00:28.720 --> 0:00:35.320 who is marrying family annihilator Chris Watts, And to just 0:00:35.560 --> 0:00:42.560 top it off, steamy makeout sessions behind bars with witnesses. 0:00:44.479 --> 0:00:49.080 Ew Good Evening. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:51.240 I want to thank you for being with us. 0:00:58.560 --> 0:01:01.400 Yeah, to trust me that when I tell you that 0:01:01.880 --> 0:01:04.880 these two beautiful girls right here, I did nothing to them. 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:07.240 And to my beautiful wife, I did nothing to her. 0:01:09.560 --> 0:01:10.280 I don't think anything. 0:01:10.280 --> 0:01:12.080 I could out him by the thing I'd ever knew it, 0:01:12.160 --> 0:01:15.920 but I did. I had put my hands around my 0:01:15.959 --> 0:01:17.920 wife's man. I looked at her and I. 0:01:17.959 --> 0:01:20.240 Just call top her. 0:01:21.240 --> 0:01:22.600 I didn't know she ly should. 0:01:25.640 --> 0:01:28.560 I didn't find out she was disappeared, like she had 0:01:28.600 --> 0:01:32.280 gone missing until like he was being investigated. I remember 0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:34.840 I was doing a haircut at the like when it 0:01:34.920 --> 0:01:37.560 came on the radio. We were with the radio. We 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:40.440 were listening to you at work, and they had said 0:01:40.440 --> 0:01:44.280 something about like husband of you know she and they 0:01:44.280 --> 0:01:48.120 said Chris Watt, and I was like, that sounds so familiar, 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:50.240 but I just I didn't think anything of it. And 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:53.840 then I was going through on her Facebook and I 0:01:54.200 --> 0:01:56.440 saw like an article, you know, like I saw I 0:01:56.520 --> 0:01:59.800 recognize his his face. I can't put the tune together. 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:03.360 And that's what I kind of, you know, that kind 0:02:03.360 --> 0:02:07.559 of kicked off from there. I felt horrible, horrible for 0:02:07.560 --> 0:02:10.160 for for her and those little girls. You know that 0:02:10.360 --> 0:02:14.440 that was initially, you know, just just devastate on us 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:16.120 if he had the capacity to do that to his 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:18.680 own family, Like, you know, like I'm just, you know, 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:20.320 some some chick he was he messed with. 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:20.480 You know. 0:02:20.560 --> 0:02:22.760 I hate the things that I let him do to me. 0:02:22.840 --> 0:02:25.440 I hate the things that I put up with from him. 0:02:25.480 --> 0:02:28.040 I hate the things that you know, if if how 0:02:28.800 --> 0:02:30.640 if getting away with what he was doing to me 0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:35.800 gave him a little bit more confidence to you know, 0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:37.600 treat the next one worse. 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:45.320 That is one of killer Dad, Chris wats many many mistresses. 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:50.000 That was Amanda McMahon speaking to our friends at Daily Mail. 0:02:50.240 --> 0:02:54.080 Now whoa, whoa. Don't get confused, because that is not 0:02:55.080 --> 0:02:59.480 the prison bride joining us an All Star panel the 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:03.840 phenomenon law of who would move their whole family across 0:03:03.919 --> 0:03:07.359 the country to be closer to a convicted killer, much 0:03:07.440 --> 0:03:12.119 less a convicted three time killer. Straight out to Ruth 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:16.600 Bashinski joining US investigative crime reporter Daily Mail, who broke 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:22.320 the story. Ruth, who is the mysterious Lizzie? 0:03:23.280 --> 0:03:25.120 She sure as mysterious Nancy. 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:28.360 So her name is Lizzie Henderson, and what we know 0:03:28.440 --> 0:03:31.120 about her is actually a thirty ninety year old realtor. 0:03:31.639 --> 0:03:36.560 She was living in Cleveland, Ohio, just doing multiple jobs, 0:03:36.760 --> 0:03:39.600 and she basically was in a lot of you know, 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:43.960 different relationships with it seemed like older men that nothing 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:46.360 seemed to ever. You know, she never got married. She 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:49.160 was pretty much living a single life. And she we 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:51.360 don't really know how she met Chris, but they've been 0:03:51.360 --> 0:03:55.960 together for we could say since with certainties, since twenty 0:03:56.040 --> 0:04:00.800 twenty four. And she basically picked up and moved from Cleveland, 0:04:00.840 --> 0:04:04.880 Ohio to racing in Wisconsin to be closer to the 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:07.760 present where he is going to be in for the 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:08.720 rest of his life. 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:13.360 I wonder how that works. Oh okay, I've got a 0:04:13.440 --> 0:04:16.719 question for the New York Control Room. Why is it 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:21.440 every time we cover Chris Watts. You insist on showing 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:26.719 him without a shirt? Nobody cares. Yes, that take it 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:33.640 down now. I wait, let's just have a little refresher 0:04:33.680 --> 0:04:38.480 about who is Chris Watts who apparently is having steamy 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:44.200 makeout sessions behind bars with his new prison bride who 0:04:44.320 --> 0:04:48.920 moved across the country to be with him. Dave Matt 0:04:49.000 --> 0:04:54.480 Crime Stories investigative reporter. What happened to Shenan, Nico, Bella 0:04:54.600 --> 0:04:56.599 and Celeste. 0:04:56.960 --> 0:05:02.799 Chris Watts strangled Shane Anne, who was pregnant with their 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:10.359 son Nico. After strangling her, Chris Watts suffocated his little girls, 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:16.880 Bella who was only four, and Ceci, who was three. Then, 0:05:17.520 --> 0:05:21.760 after suffocating these precious children, he shoved them through an 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:28.719 eight inch hole into a crude oil container where he worked, 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:32.360 leaving marks on their little heads from shoving them through 0:05:32.440 --> 0:05:37.000 the holes into those crude oil containers. And he buried 0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:54.960 Shane Anne in a shallow grave. That's what Chris Watts did. 0:05:57.279 --> 0:05:57.720 I like that? 0:05:57.880 --> 0:06:04.919 Sure, really, really, that's awesome. 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:08.919 So pink means that's just the test. 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:14.159 The pink is going to be girls. 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:22.320 That's awesome, No idiot, When the line comes across the 0:06:22.360 --> 0:06:26.640 ept that means you're pregnant. The fact that the line 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:31.400 is pink does not mean it's a girl. Out of 0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:34.839 all the women you cheated on Shannan with. And by 0:06:34.880 --> 0:06:38.400 the way, Dave mac, it's not Shane ann it's Sanan With. 0:06:38.800 --> 0:06:42.640 All the women you cheated on Shanan with, you should 0:06:42.680 --> 0:06:48.040 know about pregnancy tests. That's Shanane. She had on an oops, 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:51.360 we did it again t shirt and he comes out 0:06:51.400 --> 0:06:56.480 and goes really while he went on to murder her 0:06:57.120 --> 0:07:03.880 their unborn son, Nico, and that will all his whole family, 0:07:04.160 --> 0:07:08.360 including the two little girls. And speaking of listen to Bella. 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:11.600 My daddy is a hero. 0:07:12.600 --> 0:07:17.360 He helps me grow up sun He helped me. 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:19.840 Oh s good too. 0:07:21.040 --> 0:07:23.360 He reads me books. 0:07:23.480 --> 0:07:26.400 He's calashes. 0:07:26.840 --> 0:07:27.400 A few. 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:35.520 Food blue my daddy, Daddy, and love you. 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:41.920 Bella and Celeste were horribly murdered and they were stuffed 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:48.040 into cylindrical oil containers about that big, about eleven or 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:52.200 twelve inches wide. To doctor Kendall Crown's joining US Chief 0:07:52.360 --> 0:07:56.520 Medical Examiner Terran County, Fort Worth, Star Off Mayhem and 0:07:56.720 --> 0:08:00.000 the Morgue. He is an esteemed lecturer at the Burnett 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:05.240 School of Medicine at TCU and has performed literally thousands 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:11.440 of medical autopsies. Doctor Kendall Crowns explain how the two 0:08:11.560 --> 0:08:15.160 little girls, Bella and Celesti we were just watching were 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:20.160 d sleeved and what does that mean. 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:25.080 So desleeved is basically when you begin to decompose, your 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:30.080 skin surface begins to come off, the bonds between the 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:33.839 epidermis and dermas start breaking down, and your outer skin 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:37.720 surface comes off. Now, the older girl, I believe her 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:42.720 name was Bella, she also had abrasions on her body 0:08:42.920 --> 0:08:46.200 from being shoved through the opening of the oil drum, 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:50.600 causing abrasions on her chest and back and buttocks as well. 0:08:51.160 --> 0:08:53.959 And also if you look at her autopsy report, she 0:08:54.160 --> 0:08:59.199 may have she probably struggled because there's injuries to her frinula, 0:08:59.400 --> 0:09:03.280 her gum lawe from being smothered. And then she also 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:07.880 has the oil in her stomach, so I think she 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:11.319 was possibly alive and gulping in the oil after she 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:13.240 was shoved into the oil drum. 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:19.280 Put up, Doctor Crown's, please hold on, I'm processing what 0:09:19.360 --> 0:09:24.200 you just said because I've heard about the skin coming 0:09:24.280 --> 0:09:28.520 off the little girl's arms being desleeved that I'll just 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:31.600 checked on my notes and that container was only about 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:36.040 eight inches that he shoved their bodies into. But I 0:09:36.120 --> 0:09:43.920 had not heard that the girls had oil in their stomach. 0:09:44.240 --> 0:09:50.439 What so it's the older one, Bella has oil in 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:54.160 her Let me see what the autopsy report exactly says. 0:09:54.240 --> 0:10:00.599 But she has oil in her stomach contents, and she 0:10:00.880 --> 0:10:06.560 also on her tuxqoloity showed hydrocarbons and oxygenated volatiles, which 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:11.559 would be associated with the oil drum itself. So to me, 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:14.280 it looks like she could have been alive, like he 0:10:14.400 --> 0:10:17.520 smothered her. There's bruising on the frinula and on the 0:10:17.600 --> 0:10:20.160 gum line, but she was passed out and then he 0:10:20.360 --> 0:10:23.360 shoves her through the oil drum, causing the abrasions on 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:27.080 her body, and then she may have woken up once 0:10:27.160 --> 0:10:30.000 in the oil drum and then drowned. Essentially an oil 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:35.040 because you shouldn't have a positive tuxicology result if you 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:38.520 were dead, because it wouldn't be able to circulate into 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:41.880 your body. And also when you compare the two Bella 0:10:42.040 --> 0:10:46.080 to Celeste, the younger child, Celeste does not have any 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:49.160 oil in her stomach, so she's probably dead when she 0:10:49.280 --> 0:10:52.240 goes in, whereas the older child who obviously fought back 0:10:52.360 --> 0:10:56.439 because she's bitter cheek. She's got damage of her frinuline 0:10:56.440 --> 0:11:00.160 and gum line. She possibly was still alive when she 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:01.800 was put into the oil drums. 0:11:02.880 --> 0:11:07.520 Franz of Borkart criminal defense attorney, founder Boorcart Law Firm. 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:15.160 Why should he get a prison bride and steamy makeout sessions? 0:11:16.840 --> 0:11:21.520 I don't think he can. Wisconsin is a non conjugal 0:11:21.640 --> 0:11:24.559 visit state. Nancy, so well, I'm just worrying. 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:26.959 What has it's happening. 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:30.120 I'm telling you, they're not supposed to. 0:11:30.160 --> 0:11:35.000 Let that happened. Yeah, Nanny, Nanni, boo boo, don't do 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:38.840 dead again. It's already happened. How is it happening? 0:11:39.360 --> 0:11:41.640 So, Nancy, even though he's incarcerated for the rest of 0:11:41.679 --> 0:11:44.079 his life, he still enjoys the same constitutional rights that 0:11:44.200 --> 0:11:47.920 we do. That includes the right to have visitors, the 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:52.040 right to be married. As sick and as disgusting as. 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:57.559 I'm sorry, I'm looking at the Constitution, the pocket Constitution 0:11:57.720 --> 0:12:00.480 I carry with me. I don't see any thing in 0:12:00.640 --> 0:12:04.520 here about a three times Some would argue four time 0:12:04.640 --> 0:12:08.960 convicted killer having a right to conjugal visits. The Constitution 0:12:09.120 --> 0:12:12.079 does not have the word conjugal in it in one place? 0:12:12.120 --> 0:12:17.200 Would you like to tell everybody what conjugal means sex? 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:22.000 Conal means intimacy, intimacy? 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:27.280 Okay, what look around are you in pre k No? 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:33.079 Conjugal visits mean sex visits like your van der Sloot 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:35.920 has with all the women that come to see him. 0:12:35.960 --> 0:12:38.640 I believe he's father two children since he was behind bars. 0:12:38.920 --> 0:12:43.520 That's what conjugal visits mean. Oh dear, don't take him down. 0:12:44.280 --> 0:12:47.839 The sight of him makes me ill. That's what a 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:52.000 conjugal business. I don't see where the founding father says 0:12:53.160 --> 0:12:55.160 convicted killers have a right to get it on. 0:12:56.640 --> 0:12:59.320 But he hasn't had conjugal visits. Is there an allegation 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:01.040 that he's had so with this woman? I don't think 0:13:01.080 --> 0:13:01.400 there is. 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:09.239 Head blowing off? Dave Matt, can you please help Franz Bordheart, 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:13.880 It's already happened. There are witnesses that saw the steamy 0:13:13.960 --> 0:13:17.120 makeout session behind bars on visiting day. 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:22.400 Nancy in Wisconsin. In this prison, each inmate is allowed 0:13:22.679 --> 0:13:26.360 eight to ten seconds of physical contact with their visitor 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:30.240 when the person arrives and when they leave. But for 0:13:30.360 --> 0:13:32.959 anybody who's familiar with how the prison system works, and 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:37.240 our witnesses in there that saw the makeout session, it 0:13:37.360 --> 0:13:40.160 can go much longer than the eight to ten seconds. 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:43.280 Once you allow touching, it goes as far as they 0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:44.439 can possibly take it. 0:13:44.840 --> 0:13:46.520 And that's what apparently is happening. 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:48.079 Garts just turned the other way. 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:53.600 To Ruth Bashenski, joining US investigative crime reporter at deal Email, 0:13:53.640 --> 0:13:59.840 who broke this story. There are steamy makeout sessions going. 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:02.400 I don't know who this woman is. But before I 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:04.480 get to who is mysterious Lizzie? 0:14:05.000 --> 0:14:05.719 What can you? 0:14:06.120 --> 0:14:11.280 Can you refresh Franz more parts recollection, in other words, 0:14:11.440 --> 0:14:14.319 talk some sense into him. It's happening. It's not not 0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:16.360 supposed to happen. It's already happened. 0:14:18.440 --> 0:14:23.720 Nancy is right, Franz, it is happening. They have apparently 0:14:23.840 --> 0:14:27.560 they did get married somehow. You know, we attempted to 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:32.920 get those records and what we were getting some pushback from, 0:14:33.200 --> 0:14:36.600 I guess the officials in Wisconsin because unless I was 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:41.400 next to Ken, they wouldn't release any information about what 0:14:41.680 --> 0:14:48.240 officially went down with Lizzie Henderson and Chris Watts. But 0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:50.920 what we know is that she was wearing a wedding band, 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:56.240 a wedding ring, she legally changed her name to Lizzie Watts, 0:14:56.400 --> 0:14:59.920 and it just seems like it seems crazy. I mean, 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:06.280 I'm sitting here and this whole story is bizarre. I 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:09.240 think we're all wondering the same thing. Why would she 0:15:09.480 --> 0:15:13.600 want to be with someone who is an absolute psychopath. 0:15:14.720 --> 0:15:18.280 I'm still trying to investigate that, you know, God willing 0:15:18.360 --> 0:15:19.800 off on the answer at some point. 0:15:20.560 --> 0:15:26.560 But yeah, so it's happening in real time, and I'm. 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:29.480 Sure she's still going to continue seeing him because now 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:30.280 she's his wife. 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:35.280 You were seeing pictures of Lizzie Henderson, the blushing Bride 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:37.800 from our friends at Daily Mail. 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:41.120 I was in a really, really, really bad place and 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:43.800 I got friends to friend request from Chris on Facebook 0:15:43.800 --> 0:15:45.640 and I was like, Ah, what the heck, I'm never 0:15:45.720 --> 0:15:49.560 going to meet him, except well, one thing led to another, 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:54.280 and eight years later, we have two kids, we live 0:15:54.320 --> 0:15:57.760 in Colorado, and he's the best thing that has ever 0:15:58.080 --> 0:15:58.600 happened to me. 0:15:59.680 --> 0:16:02.840 That is Shenan Watts, pregnant with baby Nico at the time. 0:16:02.960 --> 0:16:07.840 She was murdered and buried in a shallow grave not 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:11.240 far from where her two daughters were disposed of in 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:15.280 those oil canisters. Dodger Kendel Crowns, could you explain what 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:16.920 is coffin birth. 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:23.720 So Coffin birth is when a pregnant individual decomposes and 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:27.400 the gases that are formed by the bacteria of decomposition 0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:31.040 causing the body to swell and bloat up and the 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:35.120 pregnant person these gases begin to push on the uterus. 0:16:35.840 --> 0:16:39.880 They and if it creates enough pressure, it actually forces 0:16:40.080 --> 0:16:43.320 the unborn fetus out of the birth canal along with 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:47.000 the placina. So coffin birth is a pregnant woman who 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:51.680 is decomposed and then the decomposition gas pushes the baby out. 0:16:52.520 --> 0:16:57.600 Shanan had coffin birth there in that shallow grave at 0:16:57.680 --> 0:17:03.840 the Enadarco oil field. Baby Niko was born, both of 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:07.320 them dead of course when her body was discovered. So 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:10.719 now we've got Lizzie Henderson under his spell, we had 0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:15.760 Shenann under his spell, and here is Amanda McMahon clearly 0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:18.560 under his spell. What spell that is, I'm not sure, 0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:19.879 but listen, he just. 0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:21.760 Kind of pulled the next to me and he rolled 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:24.119 down the pastor window and I rolled down, you know, 0:17:24.640 --> 0:17:27.480 my window, and he was like, come, in or you know, 0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:29.480 I'm mocked, he's a get in here or whatever. It 0:17:29.560 --> 0:17:32.400 was very he was very sure, very forward, very sure 0:17:32.400 --> 0:17:34.760 of himself. He was able to turn in term a 0:17:34.840 --> 0:17:36.960 charm for anything he needed from. 0:17:36.800 --> 0:17:38.840 Our friends at Daily Now. 0:17:44.720 --> 0:17:46.399 Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 0:17:50.840 --> 0:17:53.639 I need help. A guy comes up, rolls down the 0:17:53.680 --> 0:17:56.280 window and says, get in and you just jump in. 0:17:58.600 --> 0:18:04.119 Okay to Dater Jeralan Utter, joining us clinical psychologists specializing 0:18:04.760 --> 0:18:09.320 in psychological evaluations, just like this, author of main lining 0:18:09.520 --> 0:18:13.880 Philly Survival Hope Resisting drug Addiction, author of Aftershot, How 0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:17.639 Past Events shake up your life Today, and produced from 0:18:17.680 --> 0:18:22.359 Startup Utter Nonsense, help me out. He rolls down the 0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:25.399 window and says, get in, and she just jumps in, 0:18:25.600 --> 0:18:28.439 like curb service, you know, like an asnic you pull up, 0:18:28.760 --> 0:18:31.800 you toot too, and they bring you a hamburger like that. 0:18:33.720 --> 0:18:37.480 Like that, exactly like that. So I think it's important 0:18:37.480 --> 0:18:39.240 to pay attention to what she said after that. She 0:18:39.320 --> 0:18:42.560 said he was very forward. Was she indicated that he 0:18:42.680 --> 0:18:45.639 was very assertive. And there's something that I kind of 0:18:45.720 --> 0:18:49.639 want to bring to everyone's attention. There's a psychological concept 0:18:49.760 --> 0:18:53.440 Nancy called the halo effect and the halo effect has 0:18:53.520 --> 0:18:57.280 to do with what somebody looks like. So people who 0:18:57.400 --> 0:19:02.400 are perceived objectively as more attractive or handsome, they tend 0:19:02.480 --> 0:19:06.159 to like positive traits get associated or attached to them, 0:19:06.440 --> 0:19:08.280 whereas somebody who's less attractive. 0:19:08.800 --> 0:19:12.280 You know, he's handsome, doctor Jerlyn, I think he looks 0:19:12.359 --> 0:19:12.879 like Satan. 0:19:13.359 --> 0:19:16.119 He looks like Satan to you, But there are people 0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:18.960 and women out there that find him attractive, and don't 0:19:19.000 --> 0:19:21.200 put me in that list, because I'm with you, Nancy. 0:19:21.240 --> 0:19:23.240 I don't feel as though he's attractive at all. But 0:19:23.320 --> 0:19:26.800 there's a concept called the halo effect, a psychological concept, 0:19:27.280 --> 0:19:29.879 and that concept has to do with people who are 0:19:30.040 --> 0:19:34.560 perceived as attractive. It's hard for you to associate bad 0:19:34.640 --> 0:19:37.480 things with them. So if you're attractive and you're good looking, 0:19:37.960 --> 0:19:40.399 then people can't, you know, wrap around their heads that 0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:43.120 they could do something like this. They essentially get away 0:19:43.200 --> 0:19:47.480 with more, which is a perfect concept or quality to 0:19:47.600 --> 0:19:50.400 have if somebody perceives you as attractive and to also 0:19:50.520 --> 0:19:53.760 be a sociopath, which is what Christopher Watts is. 0:19:57.920 --> 0:20:02.720 To Ruth Bishenski, joining US investigative crime reporter at Daily Mail, 0:20:02.760 --> 0:20:06.200 who broke this story. Ruth, what can you tell me 0:20:06.240 --> 0:20:07.200 about the prison visit. 0:20:07.880 --> 0:20:11.160 So, Nancy, there was a I found this woman. 0:20:11.480 --> 0:20:14.680 She actually was visiting a loved one at the Dodge 0:20:14.720 --> 0:20:19.080 Correctional Facility where Chris is staying in for the rest 0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:22.920 of his life, and she saw she was actually in 0:20:23.040 --> 0:20:25.560 shock because Chris was a few feet away from her. 0:20:25.840 --> 0:20:28.680 She was with her person, just having a snack. The 0:20:28.760 --> 0:20:31.640 next thing she knows, she turns around and sees Chris 0:20:31.720 --> 0:20:34.480 Watts with this woman. They were reading the Bible together. 0:20:35.160 --> 0:20:37.560 She was kind of having like a silent freak out, 0:20:37.680 --> 0:20:40.320 like turning around, goving, does anyone see what I'm seeing? 0:20:40.359 --> 0:20:41.280 This is Chris Watts. 0:20:41.680 --> 0:20:45.960 He killed his wife and on born son and two 0:20:46.080 --> 0:20:49.600 little daughters. And she was kind of having like a moment, 0:20:49.960 --> 0:20:54.360 and she walked closer to him so she can see 0:20:54.840 --> 0:20:58.200 his name tag that said Chris Watts. And she told 0:20:58.240 --> 0:21:01.920 me that she so wanted to see to him. You're 0:21:01.960 --> 0:21:05.240 my hero, Daddy's my hero. But obviously she knew she 0:21:05.280 --> 0:21:07.400 would get kicked out of the facility. 0:21:06.960 --> 0:21:07.400 If she did. 0:21:07.920 --> 0:21:10.720 But she was thinking what we're all thinking, why is 0:21:10.800 --> 0:21:14.840 he allowed to have this so called girlfriend now wife? 0:21:15.400 --> 0:21:18.720 And she was just as you know, agitated as we 0:21:18.920 --> 0:21:22.480 were like thinking, how could this go on? And when 0:21:22.520 --> 0:21:27.000 I spoke to Lizzie on the phone, she basically doesn't. 0:21:27.200 --> 0:21:30.119 She was very angry that I was actually trying to 0:21:30.200 --> 0:21:32.960 find her. She was angry that I was reaching out 0:21:33.000 --> 0:21:36.639 to family members. She did not want to be called. 0:21:36.920 --> 0:21:39.280 She doesn't want to be in the public eye. She 0:21:39.520 --> 0:21:43.200 basically was very defensive of being with Chris, and she 0:21:43.480 --> 0:21:45.960 was saying like it was between her, Chris and God, 0:21:47.000 --> 0:21:51.399 and that you know, people could perceive their relationship as 0:21:51.480 --> 0:21:55.639 being very strange and weird, and Chris knows how she feels. 0:21:55.800 --> 0:21:59.280 But she said that, you know, basically it's really no 0:21:59.359 --> 0:22:03.000 one's business. Yes, And you know, she's kind of like 0:22:03.440 --> 0:22:06.960 an alternative universe. I feel like she just is in 0:22:07.119 --> 0:22:12.240 denial with these heinous crimes that he committed, and she 0:22:12.400 --> 0:22:14.360 doesn't want to be in the public eye. And she's 0:22:14.440 --> 0:22:17.400 telling me she's a very private person. But meanwhile she's 0:22:17.480 --> 0:22:20.040 with America's most hated person in. 0:22:20.119 --> 0:22:24.120 The world, you know, kill her dad, Ruth. 0:22:24.160 --> 0:22:24.720 But she's gay. 0:22:24.720 --> 0:22:29.879 I appreciate them reading the Bible together, But what about 0:22:30.119 --> 0:22:34.800 the makeout session, as Franz board Card says, that didn't happen, 0:22:34.960 --> 0:22:37.800 Yes it did. It's called a conjugal visit boardcard. Is 0:22:37.880 --> 0:22:39.520 she the same one that saw that go down? 0:22:41.160 --> 0:22:41.760 She saw? 0:22:42.040 --> 0:22:44.760 Okay, so when she was in the visiting room and 0:22:45.000 --> 0:22:47.960 she saw Chris Watts, she saw them. 0:22:48.200 --> 0:22:49.040 They're not allowed to. 0:22:49.040 --> 0:22:51.720 Have any physical touch during the actual visit. All they 0:22:51.760 --> 0:22:54.880 can really do is talk and hold the Bible and pray. 0:22:55.760 --> 0:22:58.399 But when it was time to when they she arrived 0:22:58.480 --> 0:23:02.160 and when she left, they will really hugging and making 0:23:02.240 --> 0:23:03.000 out and kissing. 0:23:03.320 --> 0:23:05.000 They were literally all over each other. 0:23:05.119 --> 0:23:08.080 And then they got to take a picture together and 0:23:08.680 --> 0:23:10.720 you know, I don't know, he pays for it out 0:23:10.760 --> 0:23:12.240 of his commissary. 0:23:12.320 --> 0:23:15.399 It's like got dollas twenty five. And you know she 0:23:15.640 --> 0:23:18.240 saw them. They were ahead of her holding each other 0:23:18.760 --> 0:23:22.040 for this prison photo. And of course I was going 0:23:22.119 --> 0:23:24.400 to see that prison photo. I'll never get to see 0:23:24.440 --> 0:23:25.720 and I hope, but never say never. 0:23:26.840 --> 0:23:28.720 And yeah, she saw it with her own eyes, and 0:23:28.920 --> 0:23:31.879 she was freaking out, and I'm so happy that she 0:23:32.080 --> 0:23:35.359 shared this story with me and I got to report 0:23:35.440 --> 0:23:35.639 on it. 0:23:36.400 --> 0:23:39.000 So yeah, who knows, maybe she'll be pregnant. 0:23:39.080 --> 0:23:39.560 Who knows. 0:23:40.160 --> 0:23:44.280 We kind of connected or bonded over the fact that 0:23:44.400 --> 0:23:46.560 we were both going through what he told me separation 0:23:47.280 --> 0:23:51.800 from his He called her his baby mama or like 0:23:52.080 --> 0:23:55.399 just like he never referred to her as his wife. 0:23:55.560 --> 0:23:59.760 Like never remember him saying that he took the angle 0:23:59.840 --> 0:24:04.280 that she was using the kids as a pond for 0:24:04.440 --> 0:24:06.600 him and kind of just dingling him and making his 0:24:06.680 --> 0:24:12.240 life miserable about it, you'd call her a psycho and 0:24:12.640 --> 0:24:16.920 cool digging just like any like just shot that you 0:24:16.920 --> 0:24:18.639 could take he took, you know, like, he said that 0:24:20.400 --> 0:24:22.399 her purpose in life was to make him miserable. At 0:24:22.440 --> 0:24:24.560 one point I knew you know what it was when 0:24:24.600 --> 0:24:26.320 going into it, and he made it very clear. 0:24:27.040 --> 0:24:29.600 Okay from our friends at Daily Mail, let me understand 0:24:29.680 --> 0:24:32.920 that what I'm seeing right there. To Ruth Bashinski, there 0:24:32.960 --> 0:24:36.480 you seeing one, I mean, get in line of his 0:24:36.680 --> 0:24:41.080 many mistresses. That's a Manda mcmon stating we connected and 0:24:41.160 --> 0:24:43.399 bonded over the fact we were going through what he 0:24:43.560 --> 0:24:46.240 told me separation. You mean they're still married, that's what 0:24:46.359 --> 0:24:50.080 that means. He called her his baby mama. It's a 0:24:50.119 --> 0:24:52.119 good thing I don't have a gun because if my 0:24:52.280 --> 0:24:57.399 husband ever called me that, there would be some shooting. Okay. 0:24:57.640 --> 0:25:01.600 He called her the baby mama. Okay, what else? He 0:25:01.720 --> 0:25:05.040 never referred to her as his wife. He took the 0:25:05.119 --> 0:25:10.159 angle the children were a pawn, and he called her 0:25:10.240 --> 0:25:13.840 a psycho and a gold digger. She was the one working, 0:25:14.560 --> 0:25:18.400 having to travel out of town. She worked, She redecorated 0:25:18.440 --> 0:25:21.439 the whole home on a budget. She bought the clothes 0:25:21.520 --> 0:25:24.240 for the children, She took care of the children, She 0:25:24.359 --> 0:25:28.720 fed the children. He just showed up. What and he's 0:25:28.880 --> 0:25:30.480 calling her the gold digger. 0:25:33.359 --> 0:25:36.360 Well, it shows you how twisted his mind was. I mean, 0:25:36.480 --> 0:25:40.400 he was You're not dealing with someone normal, clearly. I mean, 0:25:41.800 --> 0:25:46.040 you know, when Amanda met Chris, they met on Tinder, 0:25:46.720 --> 0:25:49.480