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Speaker 1: How about the boys? All right?

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Speaker 5: Levels, there's levels of this.

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Speaker 1: We got a fun podcast lined up here. We had

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Speaker 1: a great Game three to talk about, so much to

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Speaker 1: unpack from this one and a little later we're gonna

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Speaker 1: rank the five potential landing spots for Kevin Durant. Trade

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Speaker 1: Shams gave us the list yesterday. Long podcast, It's gonna

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Speaker 1: be a long one. We're gonna make up for that

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Speaker 1: thirty five minute podcast we had earlier in the week.

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Speaker 1: Was that earlier in the week or last week? I

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Speaker 1: can't remember that anymore.

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Speaker 2: I think it was this week. It's hard to tell

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Speaker 2: with how rarely they're playing NBA right now. But it

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Speaker 2: wasn't our fault.

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Speaker 1: Was it yesterday? We did an hour podcast yesterday. It

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Speaker 1: was after game two.

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Speaker 4: It was after game two was Monday? I guess the

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Speaker 4: show was Monday.

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Speaker 5: The show.

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Speaker 2: When it's close, the podcast is long, that's right, And

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Speaker 2: look of advice.

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Speaker 1: The Indiana Pacers will not go away. After being out

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Speaker 1: played in Game two of the Finals, the Pacers took

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Speaker 1: it to the thunder and Game three last night, good

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Speaker 1: old cane boy, Benedict Mathren scoring twenty seven points off

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Speaker 1: the bench, Tyrese Haliburton flirting, oh yeah, really flirting with

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Speaker 1: a triple double, and the Pacers retook the lead in

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Speaker 1: the finals with the one sixteen, one oh seven victory.

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Speaker 1: It was the Pacers' best offensive game and best defensive

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Speaker 1: game of the series. And you can take your thunder

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Speaker 1: and five predictions and rip them up, which was like

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Speaker 1: ninety percent of people out there, because we got a

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Speaker 1: series here and what a game tasks. Who do you

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Speaker 1: want to start with?

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Speaker 4: Fromma's side, I want to start with TJ McConnell, but

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Speaker 4: not just because of the steals, but I think he

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Speaker 4: was the one who got Benedict Mathern going. He was

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Speaker 4: the one who initiated a lot of that to get

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Speaker 4: him to twenty seven points, which they needed every single one.

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Speaker 4: At the beginning of the second quarter, ben dck Mathurm

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Speaker 4: to TJ mcconald, who set up Pascal Siakam for a

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Speaker 4: nice score. Then immediately here comes the first McConnell steel.

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Speaker 4: He steals the ball and is able to give it

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Speaker 4: to Benedict Mathrin right under the rim for a one

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Speaker 4: He sees one go through. A minute later, Bendic Matherrin

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Speaker 4: gets the ball, just has the time to dribble into

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Speaker 5: Checked Holman.

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Speaker 4: Here's too much space. He just lines up a shot.

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Speaker 4: It goes down. TJ McConnell a minute later is able

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Speaker 4: Bendic Matherne in the corner. Another three that another shot made.

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Speaker 4: That's seven points in a mere three minutes for Benedict Matherne.

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Speaker 4: And he just got it rolling and rolling and rolling.

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Speaker 4: And obviously TJ McConnell was amazing. And his second steal

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Speaker 4: that he made when he put it off Cason Wallace, Now,

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Speaker 4: Tough call to make if he was out of bounds,

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Speaker 4: But either way, yeah, the five steals add up. But listen,

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Speaker 4: it was a four point game for the Thunder in

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Speaker 4: the fourth quarter. I mean, this was not over. But

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Speaker 4: McConnell kept on freaking doing it and he shook Shay.

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Speaker 4: He had a one foot shot. After shaking Shae Shaye

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Speaker 4: McConnell missed a one footer. He missed it a very

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Speaker 4: He had to have that dribble, trickle down effect of

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Speaker 4: be a bad Alex Caruso game. Gave it to t

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Speaker 4: J McConnell and then even Shae gos So the line

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Speaker 4: the Pacers run. They just run, and the Thunder made

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Speaker 4: a mistake. They just gave Benddic Matherne too much space.

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Speaker 4: they trickled down man the TJ McConnell hustling, gave it

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Speaker 4: to Benedict Mathren and then you could see it happening.

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Speaker 4: Obi topping comes in. No Alex Crusoe or chet holmegrin

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Speaker 4: effect of the TJ McConnell's speed. He was a demon

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Speaker 4: out there. There's no doubt about that. Dad was happy.

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Speaker 4: He met granddad in the hallway after the game, which

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Speaker 1: I now know every member of the McConnell fan last

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Speaker 1: week or so, sure, but yeah, McConnell Mathrin helping Indy

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Speaker 1: even better as the reserve. Twenty seven points on ridiculous

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Speaker 2: I can't deny it. I felt like I was cooking yesterday.

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Speaker 2: My two keys to the game were Benedict Mathren and

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Speaker 2: Twenty seven points in twenty two minutes for Ben Mathren

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Speaker 2: only twenty two years old, plus four rebounds, Like you're saying,

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Speaker 2: he was contributing at least as much as he could

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Speaker 2: McConnell kind of the same thing. Crossovers getting inside. That

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Speaker 2: but the Thunder needed that rebound. They couldn't get it,

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Speaker 2: and them hard knocks down a tough shot. Nobody practices

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Speaker 2: a sixteen footer from the State of Indiana logo right there.

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Speaker 2: He caught it on a tip out, knocked it down

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Speaker 2: and then like you're saying, the steal right away. That

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Speaker 2: was the turning point in the game, unless you consider

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Speaker 2: the turning point in the game the second quarter when

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Speaker 2: the bench checked in Cauz Shakeill just out or uh,

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry Haliburton went out thirty two to twenty four.

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Speaker 2: When Halliburton came out, when he came back in thirty

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Speaker 2: seven to thirty six for Indiana, and it was Mathern,

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Speaker 2: it was McConnell. It was Obi toppin running the court.

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Speaker 2: Obi was good again in the fourth quarter, allowed Pascal

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Speaker 2: great sequence where he came to the lane with the

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Speaker 2: tip dunk put India in an up seven. Then on

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Speaker 2: the defensive end, he's involved in the pick and roll.

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Speaker 1: With a guy Je Dub.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, got switched on to JDub, stuck with him,

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Speaker 2: blocked him at their rim. They just made so many

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Speaker 2: guessed in the fourth quarter. They had one basket in

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Speaker 2: the last five minutes and fifty eight seconds of this game.

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of that was Indiana's defense really

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Speaker 2: so they were over penetrating driving into Miles Turner. Miles Turner,

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Speaker 2: what a weird game for this guy. Really struggled through

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Speaker 2: three quarters. We fought out. He was sick afterwards. I

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Speaker 2: Only one basket in the fourth that patient drive where

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Speaker 2: So the Pacers, they did awesome. You know, we say

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Speaker 2: role players play better at home, and that's exactly what

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Speaker 2: an impressive win by Indiana. It's the first time I

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Speaker 2: they won this one with defense. They were nine to

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Speaker 2: twenty seven from three. I mean, Halliburton was awesome. Kind

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Speaker 2: of ridiculous when we took this long to get to

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Speaker 2: Tyrese Halliburton, but he was really good in this one.

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Speaker 2: Aggressive from the start. Five mid range attempts in the

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Speaker 2: first half. He had five in the first halves of

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Speaker 2: the first two games combined, so he was looking to score.

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Speaker 2: He was looking to do a lot more. They got

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Speaker 2: Siakam involved early, unleashed him as well. He finally got

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Speaker 2: busy in transition, and then the defense that they brought

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Speaker 2: in the second half, the Pacers, they were putting two

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Speaker 2: on the ball on shape rolls, they were a lot

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Speaker 2: smarter doubling him when he was down in the post.

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Speaker 2: Obie Topping was really good there as well. Shay was

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Speaker 2: exhausted by the end of this game, and that's why

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Speaker 2: you see a lot of mental mistakes from him giving

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Speaker 2: up an offensive rebound to Halliburton. There's that play where

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Speaker 2: Siakam gets the runout, seals Shay underneath, and Shae super

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Speaker 2: lazy defense, tries to tip it from behind. Easy layup

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Speaker 2: for Siakam. I thought the Pacers pace really out did

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Speaker 2: the Thunder in this one. You could tell in the

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Speaker 2: third quarter the Thunder were getting tired. Anytime they would

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Speaker 2: go down with the file, They're laying on the ground

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Speaker 2: JD's dog when he comes in from outside. Yeah, that

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Speaker 2: was crazy. They were huffing and puffing, and that's why

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Speaker 2: they got outscored thirty two to eighteen in the fourth. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I did feel in watching this game three, like the

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Speaker 1: first time all series, that the Pacers had like taken

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Speaker 5: So here we are.

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Speaker 4: The Mas won that series four games to two.

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Speaker 5: Whoa, whoa are we.

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Speaker 4: Saying that the Pacers can win the next two games

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Speaker 5: Friday night, Friday night.

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Speaker 2: Only one day off one yes, thank you.

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Speaker 1: felt like they outplayed the hell out of OKC. They're

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Speaker 1: only up four and then what happens at the start

432
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Speaker 1: of the second half. It was like an immediate six

433
00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:37,159
Speaker 1: to zero run for OKC. Jadub drived and scored. Jadub

434
00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:39,600
Speaker 1: drived again, big bump on Nie Smith, he went flying,

435
00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,359
Speaker 1: he hit a jumper, and then SGA went last stop

436
00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,159
Speaker 1: popped hit his jumper. Time out from Indy because you

437
00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:47,679
Speaker 1: know he had Siakam missed a bunny turner, missed a

438
00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:50,639
Speaker 1: wide open corner. Three there was The first play was

439
00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:52,679
Speaker 1: SGA blocking Neies Smith and I was like, oh, it

440
00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:54,879
Speaker 1: didn't look good again. I know, I keep doing it

441
00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:57,560
Speaker 1: with Indiana. Was like, oh man, they've played so well here,

442
00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,800
Speaker 1: but the thunder took the punch. They're going to roll now,

443
00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:03,880
Speaker 1: especially because gd Ebb's got it going. But nope. Then

444
00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:05,640
Speaker 1: we got to the bench coming back for the Pacers

445
00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:07,240
Speaker 1: and completely flipping the game once again.

446
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Speaker 5: Yeah.

447
00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:11,320
Speaker 4: Building out the fourth quarter though it felt like both

448
00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:14,119
Speaker 4: teams were changing exchanging punches. Yeah, and o Casey was

449
00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:17,280
Speaker 4: still up four points. I know, I mean, and until

450
00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:20,119
Speaker 4: you know the McConnell's shake of Shay and then end

451
00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:23,359
Speaker 4: up getting the offensive rebound to have a four point

452
00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:25,280
Speaker 4: run there to tie the game. But the first few

453
00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:28,159
Speaker 4: minutes of the fourth quarter, I thought both of the benches,

454
00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:32,440
Speaker 4: both of the role players were awesome. Chas on the bench,

455
00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,760
Speaker 4: Benedict Mathrine double screen the spin and one beautiful. Then

456
00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:39,679
Speaker 4: Cason Wallace across his body hitting a shot going the

457
00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,720
Speaker 4: different direction. Mcconnald's scores at the room, Asie Hertenstein a

458
00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,680
Speaker 4: running layup. Didn't expect that to happen. Bendicck Mathron with

459
00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:49,159
Speaker 4: a beautiful lefty mcconne. I was pretty too, Yeah, it

460
00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:51,879
Speaker 4: was awesome. Then ten mcconnal' steeal and he throws it

461
00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:53,639
Speaker 4: out of bounds. Then we got to review that. Did

462
00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:55,760
Speaker 4: it go out of bounds? Off the pacers, off the Thunder?

463
00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:55,879
Speaker 2: What?

464
00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:58,440
Speaker 1: That was a weird one, just terrible.

465
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Speaker 2: That's one of your really upset if you're the Thunder,

466
00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,880
Speaker 2: You're like, we have to use a challenge for this. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

467
00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:05,439
Speaker 2: I mean it didn't end up mattering at all.

468
00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:08,359
Speaker 1: But no, but it was like it was not even brutal.

469
00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,359
Speaker 2: Richard Jefferson was like what. Yeah, that's one of the

470
00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:12,640
Speaker 2: worst reviews we've ever seen.

471
00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:13,960
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah.

472
00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,320
Speaker 4: And then Shay set an off ball screen for that

473
00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,840
Speaker 4: home grin cut where Crusoe passed it to him. Pacers

474
00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,080
Speaker 4: shock clock violation again. Okay, so he's still up four.

475
00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:22,840
Speaker 4: So their bench performed.

476
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,000
Speaker 5: I had them boom boom boom, boom boom.

477
00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:31,840
Speaker 4: The Pacers bench was monstrous. McConnell slash Mathren, those two dudes. Yeah,

478
00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,720
Speaker 4: I mean the math there's pretty place, just pretty pretty place.

479
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Speaker 1: Mathro joining a pretty impressive list here players this century

480
00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:41,800
Speaker 1: to score twenty five plus points in a finals game

481
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Speaker 1: when they're twenty two or younger, because man, this guy

482
00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:49,040
Speaker 1: is still very young. Mathren, Kawhi, Leonard Lebron, James, Tony Parker,

483
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Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant.

484
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Speaker 2: Hall of Famer.

485
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Speaker 1: You're saying, I guess so, baby, wow, what a game,

486
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,439
Speaker 1: And you're right, you were talking about he's got a

487
00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:58,680
Speaker 1: He is the one guy that can create and those

488
00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:00,560
Speaker 1: ones that you just went through time a couple of

489
00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,080
Speaker 1: those at the start of the fourth quarter, keeping them alive.

490
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,760
Speaker 1: Tough shots like both that left hand layup over over

491
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Speaker 1: guys in that one where he spun and hit the

492
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Speaker 1: little fade away big shots.

493
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Speaker 4: I given all the credit to TJ for getting them

494
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Speaker 4: going in this second run.

495
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Speaker 1: Hand in hand, no doubt obviously the spark plug energy

496
00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:21,119
Speaker 1: of TJ McConnell. But Mathroom, the one scoring. Mathron carried

497
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,800
Speaker 1: him and then said specifically that thirty second obi top

498
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:28,080
Speaker 1: and takeover where it's like big defensive rebound, huge put

499
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,480
Speaker 1: back dunk or his head's like a foot above the rim,

500
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:32,560
Speaker 1: and then the big block. It was like that was

501
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,000
Speaker 1: like in a thirty second window, but it was like

502
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Speaker 1: instrumental in this victory.

503
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Speaker 2: They made all the place as they have for their

504
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,399
Speaker 2: entire playoff run. Here. Meanwhile, I thought, okay, see he

505
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,640
Speaker 2: was just lacking attention to detail. Nineteen turnovers on the game,

506
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:48,720
Speaker 2: they missed seventh free throws, allowed seven offensive rebounds for

507
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,480
Speaker 2: the Pacers looking in the fourth quarter, kind of a

508
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,639
Speaker 2: microcosm of the game. Five turnovers, four missed free throws

509
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 2: when they were trying to come back, like the game

510
00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,439
Speaker 2: was kind of there for them to steal, you know,

511
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:03,959
Speaker 2: because the pace for whatever reason just kept fouling the

512
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:08,720
Speaker 2: thunder really quick, sending him to the line, and Jadub

513
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 2: was missing reoffensive rebounds, and yeah, they just could not

514
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 2: trust their shots and they were going into four or

515
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,639
Speaker 2: five guys just waiting for him in the lane.

516
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think we can question the officials. I

517
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 4: know we've got a call that we'll get to a

518
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Speaker 4: little bit later, but.

519
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Speaker 1: I do think the officials.

520
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 4: Definitely treated the home team as the home team a

521
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:32,680
Speaker 4: little bit. I mean, specifically chet Holme Grin getting fouled

522
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,239
Speaker 4: twice when it was debatable as to whether or not

523
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 4: he was going up for a shot attempt and it

524
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:39,919
Speaker 4: was deemed that he was on the floor twice. I

525
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 4: thought those were odd calls. Then you get into, yeah,

526
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:47,359
Speaker 4: the the Benedict Mathern getting into Jalen Williams.

527
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Speaker 5: Kind of didn't foul them.

528
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 4: I think I'm calling that one right where ox Russil

529
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,360
Speaker 4: throws his hand up, they give him an and one

530
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 4: situation there in the middle of the lane.

531
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Speaker 5: Anyway, all that to say.

532
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Speaker 1: The story of this fattles at all though. I mean,

533
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 1: and that's why it's been you know, they are letting

534
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 1: them play a lot, a lot more physicality. And yeah,

535
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,239
Speaker 1: I mean, if we say all the time, not an

536
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 1: easy job, but I don't think the it's like, no,

537
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:13,880
Speaker 1: it's not, Oh god, it has ruined it. And why

538
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 1: are we talking about them now?

539
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,639
Speaker 5: Why hard gets the calls? That's just how it goes well.

540
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Speaker 1: I think JD does have the one clip that people

541
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Speaker 1: are going, whoa, this was interesting after they reviewed it

542
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 1: and kept the call as was. But it was the

543
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 1: fourth quarter. It was like two thirty five left Caruso

544
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 1: awesome steel on Halliburton. Now they are running at a

545
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 1: time here, so it needs to be sort of perfect

546
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 1: from here on out for Okac to come back. But

547
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:37,680
Speaker 1: you see him on the fast break. He's ahead in

548
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 1: Nie Smith. Nie Smith from behind with the two arms down,

549
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 1: sort of crossed the shoulder into the arms and then

550
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 1: I guess even into the dickens there at the end.

551
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 1: And it was called the foul of course, but reviewed

552
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,639
Speaker 1: it and a lot of people thought broadcasts included, you know,

553
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 1: this might be a flagrant. You know, they might get

554
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 1: two shots here on the ball back and again they

555
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 1: they would need that, that would help their chances come back.

556
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,400
Speaker 1: In the end, it's old James ca Papers coming over

557
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,360
Speaker 1: looking into the camera telling us, you know, no wind up,

558
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,679
Speaker 1: no follow through, that's of contact. But that sort of

559
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 1: was his explanation. TK. I'll start with you did they

560
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 1: get this one wrong? Or at least you shocked that

561
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 1: they didn't give that a flagrant one.

562
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 2: I was more surprised than anything. I thought for sure

563
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 2: this was gonna be a flagrant. I thought there was

564
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 2: wind up, maybe not as much followed through though. I'll say,

565
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 2: like Nismith goes to wrap him up, this is not

566
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 2: a basketball play. Yeah, Caruso was jumping at the rim

567
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 2: already when uh he gets wrapped up, but he does

568
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 2: kind of try and save it, you know, like he's

569
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,639
Speaker 2: not malicious about the way he goes down. He doesn't

570
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 2: land on top of Caruso or anything like that. So

571
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:47,639
Speaker 2: I don't know they woke Steve Javvy up. We haven't

572
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 2: talked to you for two games. He's just been hanging

573
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 2: out in the replay center. He comes in there like, nah,

574
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 2: this is not a this is not gonna be a

575
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 2: flagrant call, and he was right. Brain couldn't believe it.

576
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 2: RJ couldn't believe it. But Chicken Pacata himself, James Capers

577
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:05,640
Speaker 2: comes to the score, is the most delicious rough out

578
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:11,119
Speaker 2: there and made the call. So like, I think that

579
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,879
Speaker 2: that's probably a regular season flagrant foul. But I'm happy

580
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 2: with that being a hard playoff foul. That looks like

581
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 2: a hard playoff foul.

582
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 1: What do you think we are you shocked?

583
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Speaker 4: Uh, I've got something for my child to watch. She's

584
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,439
Speaker 4: gonna love that. You said, chicken pocata. That is what

585
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 4: she loves eating chicken pocata. She loves Capers some way,

586
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 4: somehow didn't know it would be passed.

587
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:32,120
Speaker 1: Which girl?

588
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 4: Okay, Capers. They were debating on the desk as to

589
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,399
Speaker 4: what is a wind up? That was the funny part

590
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 4: about the broadcasting, like how much over the wind up

591
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 4: was it? And I was surprised to hear Javy come

592
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 4: on you before Capers makes the call and say, nah, noah,

593
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 4: now I'm not doing that in the playoffs. We're not

594
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 4: calling that a flagrant. Now, you're right in that he

595
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,440
Speaker 4: wasn't going for the basketball. He was going for bod.

596
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 5: He was going for the bar.

597
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Speaker 1: So it wasn't a blinding to stop a dunk.

598
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, he did hold him and he did get him

599
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 4: blow the belt for sure. I don't know it was

600
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:08,919
Speaker 4: was it three minutes left in this game? Like two

601
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 4: and a half.

602
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, So I.

603
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 1: Mean it was important. If they had called a flagrant,

604
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:14,880
Speaker 1: they would have Again, I think it would have still

605
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: been pretty far fetched for okayse to come back and

606
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 1: win the game. I thought the pacer was playing better.

607
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 1: They looked well, you know, more conditioned. They had gas

608
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 1: still left in the tank. But they would have had

609
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 1: two free throws in the ball, so it would have

610
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: been a chance to make it. Well, I guess you

611
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 1: could have got it to like a four point game.

612
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, Crusoe made it a six point game with two

613
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 4: free throws, but they could have had the ball.

614
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:33,919
Speaker 5: I need to know.

615
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 4: More importantly, I was okay with them not calling it

616
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 4: a two and a half minutes left because Crusoe was fine,

617
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 4: but he was lying on the ground. I need to

618
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:41,919
Speaker 4: know why was he lying on the ground. Was it

619
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 4: the arms or was it the shot to the penis?

620
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 1: Well, that's that's my frustration with it. Okay, first off,

621
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 1: that's an okay see that is guaranteed called the flagrant

622
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 1: one fel So you know whatever, that's home cook and

623
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 1: I get it. The other part is, and this drives

624
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 1: me nuts, is Cruso did lie on the ground. I

625
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,479
Speaker 1: think he's tired. He did sort of say at one

626
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 1: point he's like, oh my back hurts. Maybe it's just

627
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 1: from landing on it. He sort of like reached at it.

628
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 1: But like because he was not injured, I think they

629
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 1: were only like, he's okay, he's ready to shoot the

630
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,159
Speaker 1: free throws, let's go. And it's like it's like almost

631
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,120
Speaker 1: I hate to say this, but I was like, it's

632
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 1: almost in your best interest if you really are trailing

633
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 1: in a game late and you want to get those

634
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: that flagrant to get the free throws in the ball back.

635
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: It's like, man, you gotta act like you just got shot. Man,

636
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 1: Like you gotta really sell it because I think it's

637
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: more likely than they call it.

638
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 5: He was lying on the ground for a while.

639
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like I just I mean, it's my point

640
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: is I hate when they do that. But that's why

641
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: to me, that was a flager one foul.

642
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 2: Like had they called it a flagrant, we wouldn't even

643
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 2: talk about it, right, everybody, Oh yeah yeah, but it's

644
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 2: June baby.

645
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, That's why I'm okay with not calling it it's.

646
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: June, Okay. Anything else the game, I know we have

647
00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: more more random notes, but anything uh game specific or

648
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: moving ahead in this series that you wanted to address before.

649
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 2: We get to it.

650
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 4: I mean quickly, Tyre's Alburn hitting a floater in the

651
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 4: eye of Isaiah Hartenstein, who is the king of floaters.

652
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 4: I think, you know, in the back of his head saying,

653
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 4: oh yeah, this was early when we were all looking

654
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 4: for Tyres Alburn to get gone. I think in the

655
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 4: back of his head he's saying, I'm the king of floaters, dude.

656
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: I don't consider what Hartenstein does a floater. I meant

657
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: that's we're of a push shot brousher.

658
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 4: It's a pusher, yeah, but also a pusher he was.

659
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: He was seeking that out when you had that space, yep.

660
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 5: And he was doing a great job.

661
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, he had a fantastic game, like we I hope

662
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: we didn't like gloss over him. But twenty two points,

663
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: nine boards, eleven assist nine to seventeen from the field

664
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: and the four threes touching pain as well, though McConnell

665
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 1: was doing a lot of that and Mathrin and he

666
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: was active on defense too, big time. Hallie so really

667
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: locked into that game, and they are now nine and

668
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: one in the playoffs. When he takes at least fifteen

669
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: shots and a much more you know, mediocre record when

670
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: he takes feurer than that. So again, it is this

671
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 1: idea he does and he's kept saying and it wasn't

672
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: just us. He was like, yeah, I gotta I gotta

673
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 1: just be more locked in here from the jump. Yeah,

674
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 1: and not taking forty shots, not taking thirty shots like

675
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: your SGA, not that just on the ball movement, get

676
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: it back, Go take those floaters when they're.

677
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 2: There, exactly right. Take some shots that you don't necessarily

678
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 2: want to take. People are like, oh, should be Foce

679
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 2: up shots. No, he should take the shots that are

680
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 2: there that he just doesn't usually take. I think the

681
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 2: shot attempts slash twenty point record is kind of a

682
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 2: funny stat like you're saying nine to one, but then

683
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 2: you look at the assists. He's got eleven or more

684
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 2: assists in six of those games. The other ones he's

685
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 2: got seven and nine and eight, literally averaging eleven assists

686
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 2: per game. In those games where he scores twenty or

687
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 2: more points. It's not that he's looking to score more.

688
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 2: He's just doing more period, like he's taking over in

689
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 2: these games. He hit that huge cross or side step

690
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 2: three at the top of the key in the fourth

691
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 2: quarter like Halliburton was feeling it. You can tell when

692
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 2: he's contributing on defense nine rebounds, two steals, one block.

693
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 2: He thought he had another block where he jumped on

694
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 2: top of the guy sat it down, but at least

695
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 2: you could tell he was giving an effort on both ends.

696
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 2: And honestly, when he's rebounding like that nine boards, that

697
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 2: ignites their transition attack, which was kind of a live

698
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 2: for the first time in this game.

699
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, and man, he was the king of the jump

700
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: passes are good last night too. Holy, he was doing

701
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: it a lot last night. He does it all the time.

702
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: It was like more noticeable than games one or two

703
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: that I can remember. So he had that going too.

704
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: He was just in the field last.

705
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 4: Night, and I didn't mind the thunder going after him

706
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,479
Speaker 4: trying to get to him defensively. But he stepped up

707
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 4: and was monstrous. Who also a guy who also stepped

708
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 4: up as lou Dort Again. The guy is splashing threes.

709
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 4: One of those threes was a freaking moon ball. They

710
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 4: get higher and higher, I swear, and so he splashes

711
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 4: home another four threes in the finals. He's hit multiple

712
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 4: threes three of the four games. He's shooting fifty eight

713
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 4: percent from three.

714
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 1: The only problem is he like he uses them all

715
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: too early in games. Yeah. Yeah, and that happened in

716
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: Game one as well, Like he was on fire and

717
00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: then like he got good looks in the in the

718
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: fourth and he could knock them down. Yeah, look you're

719
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: I'm he was for here. There are incredible three point

720
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: percentages from you. Yeah. But yeah, he's getting these still

721
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 1: looks in the fourth. It is a little bit like,

722
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: I guess we got to live with this. Yeah, that's

723
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: going to kill Yeah.

724
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 2: He made three for three in the first half and

725
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 2: then took two shots in the course of ninety minutes

726
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 2: in the second half. That's just hard to do.

727
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 5: M Yeah.

728
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 4: Again, I do mention that one play where Dort was

729
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 4: caught in the corner defensively, you got to use Lou

730
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 4: Dort for what he can do, uh, and to see

731
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 4: Shaye on the ball after he makes a second his

732
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 4: second free throw and the pacers are going and he

733
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 4: has to be on the ball and Mathron is able

734
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 4: to uh to get into his three point shot with

735
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 4: Shaye you know, kind of falling under the screen, which

736
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 4: was you know, the idea, and Chet was supposed to

737
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 4: be up. He didn't come out wide open three. Well,

738
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 4: Dort's just sitting there in the corner, uh, guarding off

739
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 4: the ball. If he's guarding nem hard or yeah, or

740
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 4: is it Nie Smith or one is somebody in the corner, Well,

741
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 4: you know you gotta use them. I think that's just

742
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 4: strictly a mistake. When Shay is obviously guessed. You could

743
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 4: see when the ball was coming up by the pacers

744
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 4: on the other end, Chase if he was in the corner,

745
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 4: hands on the knees.

746
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 5: Oh, yeah, he was a little strictly tired.

747
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: Well, let's get into maybe some of the sillier stuff

748
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: or stuff maybe you missed in random notes.

749
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 4: Random.

750
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: Tk W, what are you gonna start? What's your first

751
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: I guess? Random note?

752
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 2: Tucking in Guys, we're looking at Reggie Miller. Reggie Miller

753
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 2: was catching some eyes courtside in Indiana last night, wearing

754
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 2: a Mark Jackson jersey over a hooded sweatshirt, all of

755
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 2: which was tucked in to his tight jeans. Yeah, and

756
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 2: a pair of Jordan I think nineteen's that he I

757
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 2: think he wore when he was playing.

758
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, like he pulled.

759
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 2: And pulled him out of his stoord. I'll throw these on.

760
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 2: Pretty cool. Maybe I don't know. Maybe he wore them

761
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,239
Speaker 2: in the finals. Actually, now that I'm thinking about it,

762
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 2: that sounds right. Nineteen Jordan would already been retired. It

763
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 2: could be that'd be interesting if he actually had those

764
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 2: on when uh, final time, trying to a crazy look.

765
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, yeah, I mean I just this. I'm just like,

766
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 1: I guess you could say that's a thin type of hoodie, right,

767
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,879
Speaker 1: you know, not a chunky one or a heavy one.

768
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 1: But still that's a lot of fabric going into the

769
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 1: front of.

770
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:28,879
Speaker 4: The standing up getting into the basketball.

771
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, he had to have been. If I was sweating

772
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: at home watching it while sitting down. This guy's like

773
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 1: living and dying with every play court side, standing and

774
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 1: clapping with all that fabric on.

775
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 4: Since we got to get into every single element. You

776
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 4: can see the white trim on the on the sleeve.

777
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 4: I guess that's just the way it looks like on

778
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 4: the actual end of the Yeah.

779
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 2: Like the piping on his cuffs, Yeah, I guess that's it.

780
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 4: I was like, does he have a long sleeve shirt

781
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 4: under there?

782
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: But that well, and then there's other great things from

783
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: this photo that is I believe that's Reggie's son rocking

784
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: his dad his own shirt. With like the choke obviously

785
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 1: iconic image. And then to the other side of Reggie,

786
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:13,399
Speaker 1: we got Hall of Famer Oscar Robertson with the crossbody bag.

787
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 5: I know what.

788
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 2: What in the world is in that bag? What you

789
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 2: got in that bag?

790
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 4: Big oh?

791
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,879
Speaker 2: I didn't know he was hip to the twenty fifteen trends.

792
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,720
Speaker 1: So yeah, I want to look there from from Reggie,

793
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: Mark Jackson in attendance at a lot of PACER's legends

794
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: in attendance, a couple I wrote down, Al Harrington, Austin Kroschier,

795
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: Dale Davis. He saw in the background of Mark Jackson

796
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:38,919
Speaker 1: when they showed him up in the suite. We later

797
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: saw Lance Stevenson, Metal World, Peace, Slash Run Our Test.

798
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: I'm sure I'm forgetting some other ones, but did you

799
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: have did you have a favorite?

800
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 4: You're like, yeah, well, Rick Fox, not a PACER's legend,

801
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 4: was in the second row there.

802
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 2: That was him.

803
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, nice, he was looking he's growing the long gray hair.

804
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 4: He was older than he Yeah, big beard, he's fifty five.

805
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 5: Actually surprised.

806
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 2: He's literally a silver Fox. He's an Indiana guy. You

807
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 2: don't think of it as in Indiana.

808
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He picked the Knicks in the

809
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 4: last series over the Pacers. But know that I went

810
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 4: to I went to his Twitter account just to see

811
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:21,240
Speaker 4: what's up yesterday. You know he's also building this uh

812
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 4: this Natural Cement is a company that's like sustainable cement

813
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 4: to build homes which is pollution free, very very interesting

814
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 4: in the Bahamas anyway. Cool one of those pacers was

815
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 4: riding a bus with some of the other pacers. Uh

816
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 4: he basically I forget who it was now. I'm I'm

817
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 4: forgetting who was. Who's like, I'm riding the bus here

818
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 4: with these legends. So it was, you know, a non

819
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 4: legend pacer, one of them. I don't know if it

820
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 4: was Travis Best or somebody, but somehow there was like

821
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 4: a quick bus ride.

822
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 5: I guess that they're all right.

823
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 1: Put them all up in a hotel exactly why I'm

824
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 1: all in, I think, or at least I don't know.

825
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: I don't know how that works. Somebody literally Ven mooing,

826
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: Mark Jackson muddy or probably not. It's probably like here's

827
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: your flight, here's your access, come on out. You could

828
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,359
Speaker 1: even see the one shot because a lot of them

829
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: were in the suite. You could see like the nice

830
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 1: like loop bags for them in the background. Yep, that's

831
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: just a nice touch there. Absolutely from Indiana. I don't

832
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 1: think we have a photo of it. But there's a

833
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 1: lot of commentary on John Halliburton's jeans. Jeans we got pregame,

834
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: got some Halliburton miked up and he was basically clowning

835
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 1: his dad's pants, saying that you're out of pocket with

836
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: for those jeans, dad. And then and then it came

837
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: up at the end of the game when Haliburton was

838
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: getting interviewed, and you know, it's like making fun of

839
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: his dad's jeans again.

840
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 2: I did.

841
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 1: I did see them.

842
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 2: You know, they were like like alternating looks. Yeah, like

843
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,919
Speaker 2: you got a dark denim with a light denim pocket, yeah,

844
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 2: and then the opposite on the other side, yang jeans.

845
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 5: I guess. I guess.

846
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 2: So court side though for Johnny he was had the tallis.

847
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 2: They said, you're not coming to any more games. Wait

848
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 2: a second, we're going to the conference finals. You can

849
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 2: sit in this week. Wait a second, we're going to

850
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 2: the finals. You can sit quart side. And I didn't

851
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 2: mind it, no, right, like it's cool for him to

852
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 2: be sitting quart side. That would be terrible. They actually

853
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 2: go to the finals. They have a finals game for

854
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:17,839
Speaker 2: the first time in twenty five years. Like, nah, man,

855
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 2: you gotta watch it home. Even Giannis is happy he's there.

856
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 2: I'm sure, yeah, it is great he's there. But he

857
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 2: has the ability to do the funniest thing ever and

858
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 2: just do it again.

859
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: And come out and talk trash, start trying to fight

860
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: somebody again. That would be funny.

861
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 5: That could happen. They gotta win it. They gotta win. Yeah,

862
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:38,879
Speaker 5: that can't do it.

863
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 1: After He's gotta get to one's any other notes from

864
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 1: this one? Now?

865
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 2: Batcha quart side? Yeah, he was was that a Canada

866
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 2: ninety five jersey?

867
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:49,399
Speaker 1: It was definitely rocking to Canada Jersey?

868
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 5: Yeah.

869
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, sitting next to the hard hack guy.

870
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, you got you got a bit of camera time.

871
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: I mean he's in a good spot. Yeah, for sure time.

872
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,439
Speaker 1: But yeah, hardtack guy that comes with like his ten

873
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:03,399
Speaker 1: thousand signs. Yeah, he's literally like carrot top going through

874
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:04,240
Speaker 1: all this stuff.

875
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,720
Speaker 2: All right, what side like he has a sign for everything.

876
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: TJ Mcconnald McConnell was going off. He's like, oh, it's

877
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 1: TJ time. He's got that sign. It's incredible. Every play

878
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: he's got a sign, so good for him. But yes,

879
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:16,479
Speaker 1: it's nice see not there.

880
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 2: Is he pulling four the pacers. You think like this

881
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,240
Speaker 2: based cheering.

882
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 1: Again, maybe it's a little bit like US Canadians. I

883
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: got a bunch of Canadians on both sides, so I'm

884
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: sure he's cheering for those guys. But I would guess

885
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: I would guess it's a little more Pacer centric because

886
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 1: of But I have no idea, to be honest, I

887
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 1: don't know who he's tightest with of all the Canadians

888
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: or honorary Canadians.

889
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 4: And I think it's because I think somebody he made

890
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,399
Speaker 4: a shot and was right up in front of him.

891
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 4: He didn't high five him, right, He's like, I'm cheering

892
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 4: for the other dudes.

893
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 1: I think, well, it was great to see him there.

894
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: I did write in my notes, I thought we got

895
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 1: to go back to the officials. H I thought we

896
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: got one of the louder and cleaner versions of refuse

897
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 1: suck that we've ever had in an NBA arena that

898
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 1: was well done by the pacers crowd. It was in Unison, Wow,

899
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: Like it was so perfect. Sometimes you get these man

900
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: you know, not everybody's in sync, gets a little muddled.

901
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,359
Speaker 1: It's not coming through in the brocket Man. This one

902
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: was so good. I thought it was so good. I

903
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 1: took a note of it. So job, wait to tell

904
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 1: those rescues suck? So what else got Tony Brothers have

905
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 1: Tony Brothers too? And Tyler Ford I went for his

906
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,839
Speaker 1: first game. It's his first finals game.

907
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 5: I thought I didn't even know if it was the fans.

908
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 4: I thought it was just Pat McAfee on the mic,

909
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 4: just yelling it because he was in the house again.

910
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 5: He was.

911
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 4: He was doing it, living the sweet life. He's living

912
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:41,280
Speaker 4: the sweet life. Also had a shirt which was Tyrese

913
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 4: Haliburton doing the Big Balls dance, which said over eight

914
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,879
Speaker 4: d's yeah nice, yeah nice.

915
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 2: Here's the right age for a guy to like a

916
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 2: d's nuts as in our age. Also, somebody tweeted me

917
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 2: last night that James Jimmy Goldstein ate a hot dog

918
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 2: with no toppings on. Don't believe, Just so you know,

919
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 2: the more you know we're talking about all the fans

920
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 2: that are there, Jimmy Goldstein was there eating a hot dog.

921
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 2: I can't even imagine that.

922
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:08,879
Speaker 5: I'd like to imagine eating.

923
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 1: I'm actually starting to get concerned because We've talked about

924
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 1: Jimmy Goldstein flying coach to all these games. Now I

925
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,800
Speaker 1: guess he's just eating straight up hot dogs and no topic.

926
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: Like he just spends all his money on him being

927
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,439
Speaker 1: tickets and has no money left for everything else.

928
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,760
Speaker 2: He's always buying the ticket that has like the buffet

929
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 2: alongside access.

930
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 4: I'm starving.

931
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,760
Speaker 1: I actually noticed where he was last night. Usually pops

932
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: ups usually, oh, there he is in a crazy cowboy

933
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: out of pocket with him.

934
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 2: That's right.

935
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: I didn't see him. I don't know where he was,

936
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: but good to have him there.

937
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 2: I was a great game man. Oh well, I like basketball.

938
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 2: That's cool.

939
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 1: Basketball is great man.

940
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 4: Anything else?

941
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 1: Anything else?

942
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,919
Speaker 5: Uh, randos, No, I think I'm maxed out.

943
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: I do have one sort of back to basketball plays.

944
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,839
Speaker 1: I saw your advice tweet this. One of the best

945
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: plays of the night was when Haliburton ran that double

946
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,240
Speaker 1: screen action with three minutes left up five, and instead

947
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 1: of trying to like slip a little pocket pass to

948
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: Chet in traffic with Turner on him and playing defense,

949
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 1: Haliburton just whipped it cross court and it hit Nie

950
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 1: Smith right in the numbers, and Nie Smith let it

951
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: go and splash the three and you go back and

952
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: watch it. Sga was the helper off a Niesmith, but

953
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,800
Speaker 1: he wasn't that far away. It was an incredible pass

954
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: that it got there, and then Nie Smith obviously no

955
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:35,240
Speaker 1: hesitation banging it home. That was a huge, huge play.

956
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 1: And Halliburton is like, we talk about Luke, we talk

957
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: about Lebron Jokic does it in different ways on different

958
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 1: sort of areas of the court. But these guys that

959
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: can just throw like the perfect cross court passes. Haliburton's

960
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: amazing at it too. Yes, that one was cool.

961
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 5: So yeah, beauty.

962
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 1: I noticed that as well, Jared, So that was awesome play.

963
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 4: And speaking of cross court passes, Jalen Williams getting into

964
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,720
Speaker 4: the lane with thirty seconds left in the third quarter

965
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 4: when I was just thinking, Wow, the Thunder support players

966
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 4: are taking over here.

967
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 5: At the end of the quarter. He got into the lane.

968
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 4: And made a left handed pass to Chet Holmgren on

969
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 4: the baseline. Not quite cross core, but he's dribbled his

970
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 4: left hand is able to fire a baseline cut for

971
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:17,280
Speaker 4: a dunky dunk. As Holmgren gets a dunk, Ben Jillms

972
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 4: hit a pull up shot to end the quarter and

973
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,839
Speaker 4: they're up five. And I thought, Okay, here they come

974
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 4: as the sport guys. Finishing off a fourth quarter like

975
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 4: that was not enough.

976
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: So look, it's the NBA Finals. Every game take on

977
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 1: takes on its own identity. But do you have any

978
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: sort of predictions or expectations what will happen on Friday night?

979
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 1: In Game four here back in Indiana?

980
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 2: Let my dad take my prediction for me.

981
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 1: Okay, go on.

982
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 2: He called last night's game. He said the Pacers are

983
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,879
Speaker 2: gonna win dot dot dot the first quarter. They did,

984
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 2: it didn't, but he left himself aheage, so if he

985
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 2: wanted to cut it for a social clip, it would

986
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 2: have been perfort Nonetheless, they did win the game. He says, Okay,

987
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 2: see blowout game four? Oh wow yeah, okay, A big

988
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 2: strong response here, strong response from Okay, see.

989
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 5: I'm get a hedge. They're gonna win.

990
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 4: Maybe not maybe not a blow up, ah, not quite

991
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 4: a hedge. Actually, I take it back anyway. I do

992
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 4: think that I'm just gonna be stubborn and just roll with. Okay,

993
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 4: see to win game four, that's it, done, done and done.

994
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 1: I get. I mean, we brought this up on yesterday's podcast.

995
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: I mean, you guys agreed with me. It's like, we

996
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: aren't talking about this series like oddly, like it's three

997
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: oho okac when it was one one and it's two

998
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 1: one Indiana now companies. Yeah, now people are joking it's

999
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 1: like thunder up one two. I was like, okay, that

1000
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: is pretty funny. I don't know, man, this team of

1001
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 1: destiny thing, it might be real. Pacers halfway to winning

1002
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,839
Speaker 1: the what would be one of the most unlikeliest championships

1003
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:48,839
Speaker 1: that we have in NBA history. When you're looking at

1004
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,320
Speaker 1: preseason odds to win this thing, and then their odds

1005
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: once we hit the playoffs got even longer. That's the

1006
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: crazy part. They were like plus sixty six hundred in

1007
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,760
Speaker 1: the preseason, started the playoffs, they were like plus eight thousand.

1008
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 1: That's what's wild. Yeah, yeah. And then I saw a

1009
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 1: CBS sports Brad Batkin in I love how he worded it.

1010
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,280
Speaker 1: In all of recorded history. Sounds very dramatic, but only

1011
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 1: three championship teams across any of the four major American

1012
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 1: sports have ever started with longer preseason odds than the Pacers.

1013
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 2: It's like, whoa.

1014
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I could ask you if you wanted to guess,

1015
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,919
Speaker 1: but I think I'll just tell you the three other

1016
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: teams with longer preseason odds. You can take guess we.

1017
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:35,839
Speaker 2: Want, give me, give me a Minnesota Twins, yes, sir, yes,

1018
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 2: worse the first eat the Braves.

1019
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: Ninety one Twins is one of these teams they had.

1020
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 2: How about that Kirby Pucket Robin guys at the Metrodome

1021
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:46,959
Speaker 2: wall the tarp.

1022
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was running into that plastic right right, I

1023
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 4: got it right on the very first guest.

1024
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: Good good stuff. So ninety one Twins they were plus

1025
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 1: eight thousand preseason odds. Another baseball team, yeah, I take

1026
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: crack at it in the two thousand, in early two

1027
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 1: thousands Diamondbacks. No, but like that type of team to me,

1028
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 1: at least a weird team. I think this team won.

1029
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 2: Two thousand and three.

1030
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:16,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, So the three Marlins were plus seventy five hundred

1031
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 1: preseason odds. And then you got to go to the

1032
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 1: to the gridiron for the team I'm looking for, they

1033
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: were plus fifteen thousand to win the championship in uh

1034
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: late nineties.

1035
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 2: I'll give you late nineties one schedule one San Francisco

1036
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 2: forty nine ers won a championship.

1037
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 5: They probably were favored.

1038
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: You're in the right state.

1039
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 5: What you said, the Rams, yes, yeah.

1040
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 1: Ninety nine Rams or that long, the Vauds at.

1041
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 2: Warner, Yeah, we didn't even know about him.

1042
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: That so there you go. So, I mean, and then

1043
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 1: if the Pacers can do this and win two more,

1044
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:55,919
Speaker 1: they're like, you know, on this list that was plus

1045
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: sixty six hundred. So it's pretty it's it's unlikely. It's

1046
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:00,439
Speaker 1: my point here. It's pretty amazing run.

1047
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 2: It's quite the run.

1048
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:02,720
Speaker 1: It is special.

1049
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 2: I can't believe their odds went down started.

1050
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: I know, I know, because a lot of a lot

1051
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:09,839
Speaker 1: of the other ones that had maybe like crazy long

1052
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 1: shot odds in the preseason. Well, then the team got better,

1053
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,800
Speaker 1: they impressed, the odds got shorter, hit the postseason gods

1054
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: got even shorter. But like they're one of these weird

1055
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 1: cases where they weren't. I guess it's just like you

1056
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 1: looked at like, how the hell are they going to

1057
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 1: get there? Okay, wow, okay, you gotta beat honest in

1058
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 1: the Bucks. Okay, okay, But then a sixty four win

1059
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 1: Cavs team obviously a Knicks team that had home current

1060
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 1: advantage as well, really good team that's higher seeded, and

1061
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 1: then maybe a whole part of this equation is like, well,

1062
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 1: whoever comes out of the eastint winning anyway? Probably, Yeah,

1063
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 1: that's probably part of it. Is crazy. Uh no, they

1064
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: got two more to go.

1065
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 2: I didn't realize I have three more production notes. Okay,

1066
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 2: number one Finals was on the floor, just the script

1067
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,879
Speaker 2: the whole time, and it looked better. It looked better. Yeah,

1068
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,359
Speaker 2: it's easier with you know, black and red than it

1069
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:52,919
Speaker 2: is with glowing yellow, for sure.

1070
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 4: Also it's also in the little score bugs, the tiny

1071
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 4: little score bug kind of beef it up for sure.

1072
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, was showing my curl so you can see that.

1073
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 5: You can read that cursive right, check the but it's

1074
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 5: capital F.

1075
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1076
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 2: And then I like these two lines after shake Gilles

1077
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 2: Alexander traveled at the free throw line, Richard Jefferson said

1078
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 2: he knew he traveled guilty feet, ain't got no rhythm.

1079
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 2: Great line.

1080
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: This is the careless whisper from Richard.

1081
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 2: And then very soon after there was like a skirmish

1082
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 2: on the ground. The ball goes out on Siakam and

1083
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 2: it was just weird to hear Mike Breen said it

1084
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 2: hit his butt. Yeah. I never thought i'd hear him saying,

1085
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 2: but he dropping a butt on us.

1086
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 1: That's his new bang he dropped, he did, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1087
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 5: Shot.

1088
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 1: But we've got no double bang here yet in the finals.

1089
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 2: No, no, you didn't need like a game winner or

1090
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 2: something exactly. He didn't even say bang for that, not

1091
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:50,800
Speaker 2: one single bang, only three as he said.

1092
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's why it was weird to hear it on

1093
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 5: an Smith shot.

1094
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, big shot.

1095
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 5: That was not a game winner. No, no, no, no.

1096
00:48:56,440 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 1: Big shot. All right, we are very excited for Game

1097
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: four Friday night. Like I said, we'll be back here

1098
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 1: in the Classic Factory on Saturday morning. But let's pivot

1099
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 1: to something else here. According to Shams, the Phoenix Suns

1100
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 1: and Kevin Durant Kevin Durant's team have met multiple times

1101
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 1: over the past week as they worked through various trade scenarios.

1102
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 1: So and we knew this. It's not if Kevin Durant

1103
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: is being depe It is now just a matter of

1104
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 1: when he's being delt and where he's being dell. And

1105
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 1: there are five teams on the Katie list again, according

1106
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: to Shams, here we got the Houston Rockets, the San

1107
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 1: Antonio Spurs, the Miami Heat, the Minnesota Timberwolves, and the

1108
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: New York Knicks. Now, Shams did say several wild card

1109
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: suitors have emerged. We'll get to that a little bit later,

1110
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 1: so just you know, keep that in your pocket. The

1111
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: wild card suitors, didn't you say, like have emerged in

1112
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 1: the last seven I love it.

1113
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:54,240
Speaker 5: We needed a wheel.

1114
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 4: We need a wheel to spend like we had in

1115
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 4: the starters' days where we did it for the draft lottery. Okay,

1116
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 4: with all these teams, because these there's literally twenty teams

1117
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 4: that Kevin Durant could reportedly be traded.

1118
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 1: Well maybe maybe, but I want to focus on the

1119
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 1: five teams that Shams did report on, and I thought

1120
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 1: we could rank the possible landing spots from least likely

1121
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 1: to most likely for the Sun Superstar, and in doing

1122
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 1: so we can talk through like, oh, what type of

1123
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 1: deal would that look like? And why you don't think

1124
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 1: it'll happen, or why you do a few notes on

1125
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant before we dig in here, just to refresh

1126
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 1: everybody's memory. He is turning thirty seven years old. He'll

1127
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 1: be thirty seven on opening night of next season. He's

1128
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 1: getting up there. He's played forever. Then again, he was

1129
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:38,399
Speaker 1: still awesome this year. He made his fifteenth All Star game,

1130
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:41,839
Speaker 1: he averaged if you're rounding up, twenty seven points per game,

1131
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 1: six boards, four assists, played sixty two games, so he

1132
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 1: was injured for a little bit. He had still like

1133
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 1: he's still one of the best just straight up shooters

1134
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:53,280
Speaker 1: in the league, especially you know, in the mid range

1135
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 1: game and off the dribbled jumpers, Like he basically leads

1136
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: the league in that Moost categories still with his stats

1137
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 1: and efficiency. His contract fifty four point seven million for

1138
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: the upcoming twenty five twenty six season, but it's expiring, okay,

1139
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: So that does give him, in theory, some leverage maybe

1140
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: in deciding where he wants to go with the idea

1141
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 1: of signing an extension, because once he's traded, he's eligible

1142
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 1: to sign a two year contract extension after July sixth,

1143
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 1: worth as much as one hundred and twelve million. But

1144
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: he could also wait six months after that trade and

1145
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 1: then he could sign a two year extension worth up

1146
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 1: two one hundred and twenty four million. I mean, so

1147
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 1: that's the ballpark, and you have to almost assume wherever

1148
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 1: he's dealt, I guess he's signing this extension if he

1149
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 1: wants to continue to keep playing basketball.

1150
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 4: It's a real Jimmy Butler situation exactly exactly.

1151
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 1: So you're paying a lot of money here for a guy,

1152
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 1: like I said, that will be thirty seven, but he

1153
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:49,800
Speaker 1: still obviously has an elite skill still in this league. Okay,

1154
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 1: so let's get to those five teams. I'm going to

1155
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: start with the least likely that he gets dealt to

1156
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 1: from those five teams that have been mentioned durant to

1157
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,080
Speaker 1: the Knicks. Now. I say that because there's been a

1158
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:04,280
Speaker 1: lot of like like counter reporting from people plugged into

1159
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 1: the Knicks. Stephan Bondie of The Post, he's seeing the

1160
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: opposite of sort of what Seaan's is saying. He's saying

1161
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 1: New York will not be dealing for the future Hall

1162
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 1: of Famer. And there's been a few other reports that

1163
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: they're Actually the Knicks are not in the Katie business.

1164
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:19,839
Speaker 1: That's why I put them there. And then the other

1165
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:23,280
Speaker 1: part is I think if you're not trading Karl Anthony

1166
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: Towns for Katie, then it gets really difficult to get

1167
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 1: a package that makes sense for the Knicks. Even I

1168
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 1: could see it from the sun side, but like I don't, Okay,

1169
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 1: you're not trading Jellen Brunson. I don't think you're trading

1170
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 1: og In andob either, how important he is sort of defensively,

1171
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,359
Speaker 1: so it's like you're getting to Bridges and Heart and

1172
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 1: Mitchell Robinson and you know, little draft capital to make

1173
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:46,919
Speaker 1: that happen. Your thoughts on the Knicks, you're.

1174
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 2: Saying they wouldn't trade Towns. I think he would have

1175
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 2: to be in it, yeah, for it to make sense,

1176
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 2: especially because you know him and Devin Booker are like

1177
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 2: best buds, So that would be the allure for Towns

1178
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 2: to be like, Okay, I'm fine with this, and for

1179
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 2: the Sons to be like, maybe he will be. I mean,

1180
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 2: Karl Anthony Town's an All NBA player. He has his

1181
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 2: warts for sure, and they usually show at the worst

1182
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 2: possible times. But the Suns didn't make the playoffs, so

1183
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 2: maybe they should worry about that rather than if he's

1184
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 2: going to be able to hold up defensively in the

1185
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:15,240
Speaker 2: conference finals. It just seems unlikely where these two teams

1186
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 2: are at salary cap.

1187
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:18,359
Speaker 1: I'm saying I agree with you. From the Sun side

1188
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 1: of things, I think they're more likely to do it,

1189
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:22,280
Speaker 1: especially if it's Cat even maybe if it's the Bridge's

1190
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 1: Heart and other pieces to get to the salary. I

1191
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 1: think the Knicks, I guess I'm saying I think the

1192
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:29,760
Speaker 1: Knicks would be damn silly to do this that much personally,

1193
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 1: And I would not trade Cat for Katie at this point.

1194
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, with where they're at, kat just lines up with

1195
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 4: the ages of everybody on that team. Doesn't seem to

1196
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 4: me it makes sense.

1197
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 1: Okay, let's go.

1198
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 2: What did you say? Katie's contract is going to be.

1199
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 1: The fifty five right about this?

1200
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 5: For one more year?

1201
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then he's eligible for what kind of extensions?

1202
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 1: Basically call it sixty?

1203
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:55,799
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean that sixty Cat's making.

1204
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1205
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, But if you're the Knicks, would you trade Cat

1206
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:02,839
Speaker 1: for kat.

1207
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, I'm not. I guess I'm no,

1208
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 2: But I don't think it makes them that much better.

1209
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,479
Speaker 2: But I also don't think it makes them that much worse.

1210
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 2: I'm saying I would trade Towns for the right guy.

1211
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 2: I think I'd rather trade it for Giannis.

1212
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: Though, right, right, Well, and this is a huge difference.

1213
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 1: Honest is thirty and still top what five at least

1214
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 1: maybe three player in the league, and that is I

1215
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 1: guess I should have said that, like kat every other

1216
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 1: time he's been traded. Katie was still top five all

1217
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 1: these other times. But we're not saying that now. Like,

1218
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:32,319
Speaker 1: I don't know where you rank him, but he's much

1219
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 1: further down. Saw you somewhere in the ten to twenty range,

1220
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 1: I would assume for most people, maybe on the lower

1221
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 1: end even to that. Yeah, so okay, this is a

1222
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 1: lot different than you, Hones, is my point? All right?

1223
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:46,359
Speaker 1: Number four, durant to the heat. The heat always come

1224
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 1: up when there's a big name to be had, right,

1225
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: they're always attached to a star that's potentially on the

1226
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: trade market. Now do they land them all that often?

1227
00:54:55,239 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 1: Not really? But in terms of a return package. A

1228
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 1: couple of ways you could go about this, but I

1229
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 1: guess it starts with are they including a Hero, a

1230
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 1: Bam or even a khalil Ware who they're pretty high

1231
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 1: on as a rookie center. Let's say they're not, okay,

1232
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:15,280
Speaker 1: so what could they get? Sons would get Terry Rozier,

1233
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 1: Duncan Robinson, And then what makes the deal? Like why

1234
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 1: you would do it? I guess Jovic the number twenty

1235
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 1: pick and then a future first round pick in the

1236
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 1: future future twenty thirty. You're leaning more into draft capitol.

1237
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 1: You're getting some picks back because you're not all excited

1238
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 1: about Terry Rozier.

1239
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 5: I assume no.

1240
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:37,320
Speaker 2: I think this to me is easy yes for the Heat, easy,

1241
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 2: no for the Sons.

1242
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:40,359
Speaker 1: The other way you could do it this one from

1243
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 1: CBS Sports three team deal. Durant goes to the Heat,

1244
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,880
Speaker 1: Sons get Andrew Wiggins, and then the Blazers are the

1245
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 1: third team here. Robert Williams the third Jovich comes from Miami.

1246
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 1: Still couple future first round picks twenty thirty, twenty thirty two,

1247
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 1: and then the Blazers would get Duncan Robinson in this

1248
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: three team deal, so they would just get some shooting

1249
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,359
Speaker 1: there and obviously lose Robert Williams the third, but Kevin

1250
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:05,359
Speaker 1: Durant would still go to the Suns in this hypothetical.

1251
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: How do you feel about h Kevin?

1252
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 5: Yes?

1253
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 4: What what would the Blazers get out of this just

1254
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:14,320
Speaker 4: getting off of Robert Williams?

1255
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, just the idea of getting some shooting if you

1256
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 1: believe in Duncan Robinson.

1257
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1258
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 4: I think we're reaching a point here with the Kevin

1259
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:22,839
Speaker 4: Durant scenario is.

1260
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 5: What are these packages?

1261
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 4: Because basically we're getting to draft picks for Phoenix. Really,

1262
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 4: I mean, yes, Jovic, solid guy, But we're getting to

1263
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:34,439
Speaker 4: how much are people going to pay for Kevin Durant.

1264
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:35,799
Speaker 1: We'll get to some better deals here.

1265
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, that ain't enough. I don't think they have.

1266
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 1: These teams don't have all that exciting of offers. Really. Yeah,

1267
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 1: if you want picks.

1268
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 2: I mean, and Windhorst was reporting, if you're putting rebuild

1269
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 2: type packages into your trade machines start over. The Suns

1270
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 2: don't want picks, Yeah, I want players more so than anything.

1271
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 4: Right, is not that type of guy. Devin Booker just

1272
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:01,359
Speaker 4: okay the Jordan coaching because he wants to be there,

1273
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 4: I suppose, but he doesn't want to Hey, let's just

1274
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 4: rebuild this thing.

1275
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 1: And then from Miami side of this whole thing. Like,

1276
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 1: I mean, the fundamental question is like, would you are

1277
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 1: you gonna mortgage your future here for Durant even if

1278
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 1: you're keeping your hero and Bam and you think that's

1279
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 1: good enough, Like there's those three good enough to obviously

1280
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 1: compete in the Eastern Conference and go super far.

1281
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 2: I think they would. I think they would do it.

1282
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 2: The Heat often trade away their future and their future

1283
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 2: draft picks. The Eastern conference likely to be down next

1284
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 2: season with the Tatum injury, the Lillard injury, those two

1285
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 2: teams probably take at least a minor step back. It

1286
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 2: gets the heat out of the play in tournament most likely.

1287
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 2: I think they would and should do it. I don't

1288
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:45,919
Speaker 2: really think like Yovich and Hawks is a future really.

1289
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 2: Those are role player guys.

1290
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 1: Third on the list. Durant to the Timberwolves mutual appreciation

1291
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 1: between Kevin Durant and Anthony Edwards. We know this, everybody

1292
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 1: knows this, but it gets like tough to make this trade.

1293
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 1: You probably got to get a third or fourth team involved,

1294
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 1: one going around making some waves here. As the Wolves

1295
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 1: get Kevin Durant, the Sons get Julius Randall, Mike Conley,

1296
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 1: go Go Pitaz and his wig, Terrence Shannon Junr and

1297
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 1: the number twenty five pick, the Magic get a shooter,

1298
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 1: get some shooting in Dante DiVincenzo and the Nets because

1299
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 1: they're helping everybody out here. They get Gary Harris, and

1300
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 1: they get like a second round pick. So Durant to

1301
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 1: the Wolves.

1302
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 2: Thanks for the help.

1303
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 1: Here's Gary Harris. Well here's the pick.

1304
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 2: Round. Nobody goes into the second round anymore. Oh look, well,

1305
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:41,439
Speaker 2: that's the thing is that all of these guys who

1306
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 2: would be good second round picks are now going to

1307
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 2: go back to college and make three million dollars. That's happening.

1308
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 2: They're leaving the draft yep.

1309
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, but they could get lumped into a draft eventually,

1310
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 4: you know, like because they're making money. Eventually they'll be

1311
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 4: thirty five good basketball players out there.

1312
00:58:57,560 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 1: But anyway, what do you what do we think of

1313
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 1: Durant go to the Wolves in some sort of deal. Again, again,

1314
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 1: it does get tough for Minnesota to make this happen

1315
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 1: because then there's like things you gotta do with like

1316
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 1: retaining nas Reed and Nikil Alexander Walker and so on.

1317
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 1: But your reaction to Katie to Timberwolves, I like it.

1318
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 2: I think it's too complicated for it to actually happen.

1319
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 2: With the two main teams being second in apron teams,

1320
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 2: it just gets hard to do the trade. You're throwing

1321
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 2: in four teams here and the nets. Yeah they're helping,

1322
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 2: but they're not getting really anything out of it. Maybe

1323
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 2: they find somebody in the second round. Maybe, But I mean,

1324
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 2: Gary Harris ain't changing their future, nor is it making

1325
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 2: them that much worse for what they're giving up. But

1326
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 2: I love the idea of Kevin Durant on the Timberwolves

1327
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 2: as somebody else who can get a shot off with

1328
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 2: the ball in his hands, lights out playoff player, though

1329
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 2: he hasn't really won anything since leaving the Nets. I mean,

1330
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 2: they won one playoff series when he was at the Nets,

1331
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 2: though circumstances were against them at the time. But I

1332
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 2: do love the idea of getting somebody else next to

1333
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 2: Ant who can go get a bucket.

1334
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, on the Minnesota side, I would be extremely excited.

1335
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:07,919
Speaker 1: So you'll be excited really to like what I get.

1336
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 1: I know it was like a lot of information there,

1337
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 1: but like that's that was like three rotation players. I

1338
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 1: did say that you're sending a yeah, Randall, and I

1339
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 1: know Mike Conley' getting up there in age but obviously

1340
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 1: still contributed, and that Devincenzo a key piece on their bench.

1341
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:24,320
Speaker 1: So three rotation players going out for Kevin Durant.

1342
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 4: That's true. But yeah, the deep Vincenzo hurts. I know

1343
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 4: Mike is important at this point and they don't have

1344
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 4: somebody to replace him immediately. They actually do not, But

1345
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:36,439
Speaker 4: Kevin Durant is a special guy doing more than Mike

1346
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 4: Conley as yeah, a secondary type of guy. There would

1347
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 4: be a lot of Anthony Edward shoulders.

1348
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:41,440
Speaker 3: But.

1349
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 5: As far as basketball goes, it's Kevin Durant.

1350
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 1: A lot of people say, I mean that you could trade,

1351
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 1: you could get into trading Rudy Gobert too, but that

1352
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 1: he seems like such an important piece to obviously the

1353
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 1: Wolves and what they do. I don't think that's likely,

1354
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 1: but pitching that one as well.

1355
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 2: It does seem to me though, that the Timberwolves so

1356
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 2: far are win now mode compared to I mean, the

1357
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 2: Nicks and the Heat are too, but like the Timberwolves,

1358
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 2: it feels kind of weird to put thirty seven year

1359
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 2: old Kevin Durant next to Aunt Edwards. But they're so

1360
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 2: far over the Aprons now with the McDaniels deal with

1361
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 2: Rudy Gobert's gigantic contract, that it doesn't really bother me

1362
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 2: to get a guy who would fit really nicely on

1363
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 2: their team as a wing, who can score, who can

1364
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 2: play the four, can play a small ball five next

1365
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 2: to nas Reed. If they wanted me to do that

1366
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 2: kind of thing, they're probably would be able to get

1367
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 2: some minimum veteran guys that are going to be trying

1368
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:36,439
Speaker 2: to chase a ring play next to Kad and Aunt

1369
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:39,520
Speaker 2: as well. So like I'm saying, I don't think it

1370
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 2: rally will happen, Yeah, because so many moving pieces. But

1371
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 2: I see the fit.

1372
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 1: You see the fit? Yeah?

1373
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:45,680
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah.

1374
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 4: Kevin Durant provides space for Anthony Edwards, who is struggling

1375
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:52,720
Speaker 4: to find it because he would be replacing Julius Randall primarily, right,

1376
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 4: Julius Randell was good, but it's still they're still looking.

1377
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 4: We're talking about age and yeah, maybe he's too old,

1378
01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 4: but Mike Conley was too old in the playoffs. They

1379
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 4: need somebody else at the guard spot. So these are

1380
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 4: multiple things that they'd have to do. The trading out

1381
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 4: Rudy Gobert is an interesting one because are they going

1382
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 4: to rely on Nasrite as their center. Who's damn good,

1383
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 4: But would he be the guy that they signed to

1384
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 4: play thirty thirty five minutes per game. That's a huge

1385
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:20,320
Speaker 4: question though for Tim Connolly because he is a free agent.

1386
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 1: Let's go to eventually anyway, let's go to Texas for

1387
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 1: our final two teams. Here, we'll put at number two

1388
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 1: Durant to the Rockets. They've been connected to Durant here

1389
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 1: for a while. I mean, you can maybe even go

1390
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 1: back to last summer. They have several young players that

1391
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:37,840
Speaker 1: in theory could maybe entice the Suns, and more importantly,

1392
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 1: they hold several of Phoenix's future first round picks. Right,

1393
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 1: you could get your own picks back and actually have

1394
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:47,240
Speaker 1: control of them. So what would it take. There's a

1395
01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:49,920
Speaker 1: couple versions, but what they usually come down to is

1396
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 1: the Rockets geting Kevin Durant. Of course, the Sun's getting

1397
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:57,680
Speaker 1: Jalen Green Jabari Smith Junior. And then I've seen Jock

1398
01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 1: Landell thrown in there and a number ten pick. You

1399
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 1: could take out Landell as well. If you do that,

1400
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:05,640
Speaker 1: and you're gonna have to get into waving guys and

1401
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 1: declining options, but you could make it work. But the

1402
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 1: core is, let's call it Jalen Green and Jabari Smith

1403
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:13,840
Speaker 1: Junior and a pick which is theirs, and they do

1404
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 1: have another one in the future too. For Kevin Durant

1405
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 1: to Houston t K.

1406
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:20,600
Speaker 2: If I'm the Suns, I would only do it if

1407
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 2: they're giving us back both picks, okay, yeah.

1408
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 1: And so then you take on the jail and Green,

1409
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:26,960
Speaker 1: even though you maybe don't love that fit with Booker.

1410
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:31,400
Speaker 1: But yeah, right, yeah, they'll be there, but you're you're

1411
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:33,919
Speaker 1: doing it because you're getting your actual draft capital back

1412
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:36,240
Speaker 1: and Jabari Smith Junior, who maybe is a good player

1413
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:36,920
Speaker 1: for you in the future.

1414
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Jabari Smith Junior would step into the

1415
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 2: starting lineup right away. And that's you know, he's kind

1416
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 2: of in and out of the starting lineup with the

1417
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 2: way things went for the Rockets, so I think maybe

1418
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:48,000
Speaker 2: he would welcome that as well.

1419
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:50,040
Speaker 1: How do you feel about it from the Rocket side

1420
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:53,320
Speaker 1: of things? You know, they didn't do anything aggressive, They

1421
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 1: sort of stood pat and obviously turn into a really

1422
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:59,560
Speaker 1: good team. Number two seed in the West, got there

1423
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:02,240
Speaker 1: to the players and had some experience at least growing pins.

1424
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 1: But are you like sort of blowing that up or

1425
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:07,480
Speaker 1: you think this is adding to their chances to continue

1426
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:07,880
Speaker 1: this role.

1427
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:10,200
Speaker 4: Well, it would mean Fred van Vliet would come back

1428
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 4: as the ball handler, I imagine, So it would be

1429
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:15,800
Speaker 4: Fred Durant and Alperin cheng Gun as your core three

1430
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:18,959
Speaker 4: with the men Thompson call out a core four, I'd

1431
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:23,280
Speaker 4: be super excited this is I know he is again

1432
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:25,400
Speaker 4: thirty seven, and maybe he seems a little too old

1433
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 4: for Houston.

1434
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 5: But I don't know. He seems like he's gonna play forever.

1435
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:33,520
Speaker 4: Like I know, I know there's people are flashing back

1436
01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:35,400
Speaker 4: to Paul George last year. That was an All Star

1437
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:38,480
Speaker 4: season he was coming off of, and look what's happened

1438
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:40,320
Speaker 4: to him. I don't see the comparison at all, Like

1439
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:41,680
Speaker 4: Kevin Durant is too good for that.

1440
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:45,080
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, so you guys seem you know on this one.

1441
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:46,680
Speaker 1: I mean, this is one we've talked about for a while.

1442
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:49,480
Speaker 4: Here, it's they have so many parts, so many parts

1443
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 4: to offer the Phoenix Suns, right, they're so deep. Justin

1444
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:57,160
Speaker 4: is so deep, so just to make something work. But

1445
01:04:57,200 --> 01:05:00,160
Speaker 4: the picks are important, but you could be working both

1446
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 4: sides here, you could be getting both things.

1447
01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:05,680
Speaker 2: What picks would the Rockets have left like other future picks?

1448
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:08,680
Speaker 2: I think that would be key to me because having

1449
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:11,640
Speaker 2: these two Sons picks is pretty good for their future

1450
01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:13,920
Speaker 2: right now. Like they're getting a number ten draft pick

1451
01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 2: right now. Who knows that the Sons are going to

1452
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:18,960
Speaker 2: be any better for the next time it comes around.

1453
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:21,040
Speaker 2: So if they still I don't actually remember what they're

1454
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:23,400
Speaker 2: they have. Assets are looking like here.

1455
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 4: They have the number ten pick in this draft twenty

1456
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:26,920
Speaker 4: twenty six.

1457
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:31,479
Speaker 5: At twenty twenty six, they have their own pick.

1458
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:37,760
Speaker 2: Then then twenty twenty six goes to or well, it's.

1459
01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:39,680
Speaker 4: They could they would have their own pick if it

1460
01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:43,080
Speaker 4: was one through four because it's protected.

1461
01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:43,440
Speaker 1: Okay.

1462
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 4: Then twenty twenty seven we get into Brooklyn's pick, and

1463
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:49,200
Speaker 4: then their own pick and Phoenix is pick. And then

1464
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:52,040
Speaker 4: twenty twenty eight they have their own pick, Dallas pick

1465
01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:54,840
Speaker 4: and Phoenix is pick. Actually, and twenty twenty eight they

1466
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:57,520
Speaker 4: have their own pick, and it's complicated. Twenty twenty nine

1467
01:05:57,680 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 4: they have their own pick and Dallas.

1468
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:01,960
Speaker 2: Okay, Now I think I would do it. They have

1469
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:04,520
Speaker 2: a ton if the main thing they're giving I wouldn't

1470
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:07,760
Speaker 2: want to give away. But if they're still going to

1471
01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:10,200
Speaker 2: have these additional picks that you can use for trades

1472
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:12,440
Speaker 2: in the future, maybe keep them to use them as

1473
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:14,760
Speaker 2: draft picks. They would still have young guys on their bench.

1474
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 2: Reed Shepherd couldn't really see the court this season, still

1475
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:21,760
Speaker 2: a little too young. Who knows what Cam Wentmore becomes.

1476
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:25,280
Speaker 2: During the season, I was like, there's no way the

1477
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:27,320
Speaker 2: Rockets should do this, But then they went through the

1478
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:29,120
Speaker 2: playoffs and I was like Jayalen Green looked like Jayalen

1479
01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:31,160
Speaker 2: Green in the playoffs. And if that's the main piece

1480
01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:33,320
Speaker 2: you're giving up, I don't think the Suns would do

1481
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:35,400
Speaker 2: it because that's the main guy they're getting back. But

1482
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:37,240
Speaker 2: if that's all the Rockets really have to give up,

1483
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:40,000
Speaker 2: I would hate giving up Jabari Smith Junior. But I

1484
01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:42,040
Speaker 2: think it's a massive upgrade to go from Jalen Green

1485
01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 2: and Kevin Durant.

1486
01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:45,800
Speaker 1: I tend to agree. I tend to agree. I think

1487
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:48,000
Speaker 1: they're in that camp where you don't have to you're

1488
01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:50,880
Speaker 1: not giving up everything. You still have draft capital. They

1489
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:53,520
Speaker 1: definitely are going to want one, if not both of

1490
01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:55,400
Speaker 1: their picks or two of their picks, but you can

1491
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:57,360
Speaker 1: play hardball with them, like, no, I'm only giving you this.

1492
01:06:57,400 --> 01:06:59,320
Speaker 1: We're giving you a young guy too, and that's it,

1493
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:02,600
Speaker 1: and you gotta take your Green. I like you, I'm

1494
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:04,440
Speaker 1: with you. I like you too, but I'm also with

1495
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:07,120
Speaker 1: you on this one. There's something there. Uh if they

1496
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:10,280
Speaker 1: want I mean, this goes back to like it's a risk.

1497
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:11,880
Speaker 1: It is. I'm sorry you say he's going to age,

1498
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:15,680
Speaker 1: well yeah, but like it's also Kevin Durant. He can

1499
01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 1: be a little moody at times. If things aren't going well,

1500
01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:21,200
Speaker 1: and I think he can sort of sometimes he can

1501
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 1: change the dynamics or the locker room, so to speak of,

1502
01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:27,880
Speaker 1: like the vibe. I know, I know that sounds silly,

1503
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:30,919
Speaker 1: but there's a little history of that. But then again,

1504
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:33,760
Speaker 1: maybe it works flawless and the guy's a bucket still.

1505
01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:36,240
Speaker 4: With the rockets though, because you know, I mentioned they

1506
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:37,560
Speaker 4: have so many guys. Who are the guys that they

1507
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:40,280
Speaker 4: won't trade. They won't trade Iman Thompson, No, they won't

1508
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:40,920
Speaker 4: trade Opera.

1509
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:44,720
Speaker 5: It feels like I don't know. Yeah, that's that depends

1510
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:45,200
Speaker 5: on who.

1511
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:47,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, Vin, for Kevin, they would trade him for your

1512
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:47,960
Speaker 2: honest yeah, not.

1513
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:50,680
Speaker 4: For Kevin, right, and then the third guy would be

1514
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:53,960
Speaker 4: Jayleen Green essentially, And so that's that's the kind of

1515
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:56,240
Speaker 4: the line. If you're getting rid of Jaalen Green, it

1516
01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 4: sort of makes sense.

1517
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:00,240
Speaker 5: That that's that.

1518
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:03,440
Speaker 4: I mean, Kevin Durant will perform in the postseason, he

1519
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:07,120
Speaker 4: will perform file I can give you all the picks again,

1520
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:08,240
Speaker 4: now I definitely don't know.

1521
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:11,000
Speaker 1: Well, the point is they have a lot of theirs.

1522
01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:13,080
Speaker 1: They have a lot of Phoenixes. You threw in the nets,

1523
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:16,240
Speaker 1: one for sure, if not maybe multiple. So yeah, they're

1524
01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:17,840
Speaker 1: they're looking pretty good. They made a lot of these

1525
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 1: deals and they have a lot of draft capital.

1526
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:25,000
Speaker 3: Rafael's Stone is ready, but number one as maybe the

1527
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:27,880
Speaker 3: lead or excuse me, most likely place to make this

1528
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:31,920
Speaker 3: Kevin Durant trade, and the odds makers agree Durant to

1529
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:36,040
Speaker 3: the Spurs, right they are the heavy betting favorites to

1530
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:36,719
Speaker 3: land kd.

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01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:40,000
Speaker 1: He has a connection to Texas. He played at the

1532
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:43,040
Speaker 1: University of Texas. There's that makes sense if you're looking,

1533
01:08:43,280 --> 01:08:44,960
Speaker 1: you know, at Katie, like, hey, man, I could team

1534
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:48,200
Speaker 1: up with Victor Webman Yama. This guy, this guy is

1535
01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:51,479
Speaker 1: a monk right now. That's the energy I need in

1536
01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:53,840
Speaker 1: my life. So that could be a smart business move.

1537
01:08:54,360 --> 01:08:56,680
Speaker 1: And then for the Suns, the Spurs have a it

1538
01:08:56,720 --> 01:08:59,960
Speaker 1: could obviously make a pretty good return package, the one

1539
01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:02,040
Speaker 1: that you've sort of pitched before, a lot of people

1540
01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:06,200
Speaker 1: pitching it. Devin Vessel, Jeremy Sohan, Harrison Barnes and then

1541
01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:08,320
Speaker 1: the number fourteen pick. I don't think they're going to

1542
01:09:08,360 --> 01:09:09,960
Speaker 1: trade the number two pick. I don't think they should.

1543
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:12,600
Speaker 1: I don't think they need to trade Castle either, But

1544
01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:15,880
Speaker 1: what do you think about Vassell, Sohan, Harrison, Barnes and

1545
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:19,200
Speaker 1: then the later pick for Katie send it in or

1546
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:23,240
Speaker 1: no way, that's it? Yeah, Yeah, I would do it. Yeah.

1547
01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:25,280
Speaker 2: I think that's an easy yes for san Antonio, and

1548
01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:27,160
Speaker 2: I think it's gonna get done. It's what it seems

1549
01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:29,400
Speaker 2: like before the draft even. I love the idea of

1550
01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:31,760
Speaker 2: Kevin Durant and Victor Webbin Yama next to each other.

1551
01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 2: You think a seven footer who can shoot threes is cool,

1552
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:35,639
Speaker 2: how about a seven foot five guy who can shoot

1553
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:38,360
Speaker 2: threes and they're on the court together. I love it.

1554
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:40,719
Speaker 5: I think it makes sense.

1555
01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:43,720
Speaker 4: I think that the line of who you would get

1556
01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:45,880
Speaker 4: rid of kind of starts with Devin Missell.

1557
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 5: If you're the.

1558
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:49,800
Speaker 4: Sons, you want Den Missell, Yeah, and you don't. You

1559
01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:52,880
Speaker 4: don't want it to drop to Kelvin Johnson even though

1560
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:56,519
Speaker 4: they have they have a deep roster. But yeah, you're

1561
01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:59,240
Speaker 4: getting back two players to compliment Devin Booker, and you're

1562
01:09:59,240 --> 01:10:00,760
Speaker 4: getting a pick. I think that is the one that

1563
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:04,599
Speaker 4: makes the most sense. The Vacelle line, although he is

1564
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:06,480
Speaker 4: similar to Devin Booker.

1565
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:07,840
Speaker 5: Starting by it.

1566
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:10,240
Speaker 4: I don't know if I want to read into Jeremy

1567
01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:14,679
Speaker 4: so Han's tweet beautiful day today sun emoji, hope everyone

1568
01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:16,080
Speaker 4: has a good day, exclamation point.

1569
01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:19,320
Speaker 5: Interesting suns? Is it the suns? Does he know? Does

1570
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:20,960
Speaker 5: he know? That was just yesterday?

1571
01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:24,639
Speaker 1: Okay, I saw the rumors. I'll tell you that he's

1572
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:27,519
Speaker 1: having some fun with it. Okay, Yeah, that's why. I

1573
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:29,639
Speaker 1: mean it does make sense. That's not I think it's

1574
01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:32,360
Speaker 1: the perfect amount. That's like, I think, like best case

1575
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:34,120
Speaker 1: scenario if I'm being honest with what Phoenix is sort

1576
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:36,639
Speaker 1: of going to get back here a late lottery pick

1577
01:10:37,200 --> 01:10:40,479
Speaker 1: a talented young guy and then some other like Flyers

1578
01:10:40,479 --> 01:10:42,720
Speaker 1: and the Harrison Barnes are like who knows if he's

1579
01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:44,640
Speaker 1: rerouted or whatever, but a locker room guy at the

1580
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:48,200
Speaker 1: very least he's in there for make the contract work. Yeah,

1581
01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:50,479
Speaker 1: that's why they're the favorites to get them here.

1582
01:10:51,240 --> 01:10:53,759
Speaker 2: Wow, upgrading from Harrison Barnes to Kevin Durant.

1583
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:54,599
Speaker 1: It's worked before.

1584
01:10:57,360 --> 01:10:59,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, would Phoenix do it? I don't know.

1585
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:01,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what I'm starting. Those three guys.

1586
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:06,080
Speaker 2: Can play at least like Vessel can play alongside uh

1587
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:08,000
Speaker 2: Booker and Beale. I mean that's kind of weird too,

1588
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:12,320
Speaker 2: that's weird. No defense team from the perimeter, but that's

1589
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:14,080
Speaker 2: what they are. They're not getting a center back, which

1590
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:17,200
Speaker 2: clearly they need a center. They tried the Nurkic Plumblee,

1591
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:20,519
Speaker 2: Nick Richards triumvirant last year and it didn't go all

1592
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:23,160
Speaker 2: that well. They also aren't getting you're saying these future

1593
01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:26,800
Speaker 2: picks from Atlanta from Minnesota. I think the Spurs have

1594
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:29,680
Speaker 2: as well. That's a disappointing return, I would say for

1595
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:32,040
Speaker 2: Kevin Durant, But if they're looking to get back what

1596
01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:33,759
Speaker 2: they traded for him, it ain't gonna happen.

1597
01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:35,760
Speaker 1: No, That's that's the thing. So which one do you

1598
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:38,759
Speaker 1: like more the hypothetical deals here? If you're the Suns,

1599
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:41,200
Speaker 1: you like Jalen Green, Jabari Smith Junior and the number

1600
01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:43,840
Speaker 1: ten pick and we'll call it there. Or do you

1601
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:47,759
Speaker 1: like Devin Vessel, Jeremy Sohan, Harrison Barnes and the fourteenth

1602
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:49,240
Speaker 1: pick in the draft?

1603
01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:52,840
Speaker 5: I like the Rockets better. The Rockets trade better.

1604
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:55,280
Speaker 4: I think it compliments is Devin Booker a little more

1605
01:11:55,439 --> 01:11:57,080
Speaker 4: rather than mirroring him.

1606
01:11:56,880 --> 01:11:57,920
Speaker 5: With Devin Vassell.

1607
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:02,240
Speaker 4: They're starting to overlap there with those two guys and

1608
01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:04,400
Speaker 4: Bradley Beal. I think the Rockets just have more of

1609
01:12:04,439 --> 01:12:09,439
Speaker 4: a variety of talent. Although, yes, Kevin Durant and Wemby

1610
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:11,040
Speaker 4: is enticing, that is no doubt.

1611
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:13,360
Speaker 5: But I don't know. I don't know about this.

1612
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:19,000
Speaker 4: The basell vessel is obviously solid, very solid Stu Booker,

1613
01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:20,800
Speaker 4: like I think in the.

1614
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:23,840
Speaker 2: End, maybe so I'm kind of I'm a little more

1615
01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:26,400
Speaker 2: out of Bessell than I have been. He's a he

1616
01:12:26,439 --> 01:12:29,240
Speaker 2: hasn't really developed as a defender, and like, I'm not

1617
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:33,040
Speaker 2: even convinced he's a starter for the Spurs long term.

1618
01:12:33,080 --> 01:12:33,840
Speaker 2: So we'll see.

1619
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:36,719
Speaker 1: Okay, well, let's hear from you out there ranking these

1620
01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:40,439
Speaker 1: potential destinations for Kevin Durant. But let's circle back to

1621
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:43,240
Speaker 1: the wildcard suitors because Seaum's dead. Say that, and I

1622
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:45,559
Speaker 1: just want to end with this. Do you have a

1623
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:49,640
Speaker 1: favorite wild card team that could like obviously sneak in

1624
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:53,040
Speaker 1: here and maybe put together an enticing package for Kevin Durant.

1625
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:57,200
Speaker 4: I think it's the Milwaukee Bucks to play with jist. Now,

1626
01:12:57,200 --> 01:13:00,920
Speaker 4: they don't have a lot to trade, they have picks there.

1627
01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:04,000
Speaker 4: That's where the third party, fourth party, fourth team thing

1628
01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:08,160
Speaker 4: needs to happen. And that's the scary part here because

1629
01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:11,839
Speaker 4: the Brooklyn Nets are the most interesting one to partake

1630
01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:15,720
Speaker 4: in this. But what are they willing to to give up.

1631
01:13:16,240 --> 01:13:19,040
Speaker 4: I don't think they're willing to give up, Cam Johnson

1632
01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:20,800
Speaker 4: saying maybe they will.

1633
01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:24,559
Speaker 1: You're saying they need to be involved, they need to

1634
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:27,120
Speaker 1: be Brooklyn. But we're not saying Kevin Durant would go

1635
01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:28,080
Speaker 1: back to the Brooklyn nets.

1636
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:28,360
Speaker 5: I don't know.

1637
01:13:28,479 --> 01:13:31,559
Speaker 4: I don't think that's the case. He's not going to Brooklyn,

1638
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:35,600
Speaker 4: he's not going to Utah. I know everybody hot about Toronto.

1639
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:39,040
Speaker 4: I don't buy it. I think him and Janisto paired

1640
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:42,600
Speaker 4: makes now there needs to be things that have to

1641
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:44,480
Speaker 4: work out because they don't have a lot of assets.

1642
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:46,280
Speaker 5: But but.

1643
01:13:47,960 --> 01:13:50,799
Speaker 4: We're not sure exactly what all these other teams are offering.

1644
01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:53,040
Speaker 4: Like that's that's the problem here in that it is

1645
01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:55,760
Speaker 4: Kevin Durant. It is an all time great. What are

1646
01:13:55,800 --> 01:13:59,639
Speaker 4: these teams willing to offer in comparison to Milwaukee, plaw

1647
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:05,200
Speaker 4: us a Brooklyn or some other team. There's picks to

1648
01:14:05,240 --> 01:14:08,760
Speaker 4: be had and and one of these maybe I don't

1649
01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:11,719
Speaker 4: know if Brooklyn's really just willing to empty the cupboard

1650
01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:14,600
Speaker 4: and say we're gonna be bad again. They're kind of

1651
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:18,519
Speaker 4: already bad anyway, whether it's not they weren't bad enough. Yeah, yeah,

1652
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:22,800
Speaker 4: Cam Johnson, Nick Klaxton are the names out there to.

1653
01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:24,960
Speaker 5: Be included for Phoenix.

1654
01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:28,920
Speaker 1: Car team's Milwaukee Bucks are definitely a wild card.

1655
01:14:29,080 --> 01:14:30,880
Speaker 4: Annison Kevin Durant looking at each other. They would love

1656
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:33,920
Speaker 4: each other. They would love each other. They are, you know,

1657
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:36,360
Speaker 4: the past of the NBA. They got, they got a

1658
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:38,639
Speaker 4: few more years together. Okay, I know, I know I'm

1659
01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:42,519
Speaker 4: a little high on Kevin Durant being healthy. I ain't

1660
01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:45,000
Speaker 4: no freaking doctor, but I do think, I do think

1661
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:45,519
Speaker 4: he will.

1662
01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:47,559
Speaker 1: Be okay, So you got a wildcard team for me.

1663
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:49,800
Speaker 2: I'm not as worried about the health for Durant, but

1664
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:51,640
Speaker 2: the teams haven't been that great that he's been on.

1665
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:53,640
Speaker 2: I think he's won two playoffs series since he left

1666
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:56,880
Speaker 2: Golden State. He's not able to carry the team the

1667
01:14:56,920 --> 01:14:59,040
Speaker 2: way he was, but if he's alongside the honest, maybe

1668
01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:01,759
Speaker 2: that works nice. The wildcard team is the Toronto Raptors.

1669
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:03,519
Speaker 2: For me, they got an easy trade to make r J.

1670
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:06,719
Speaker 2: Barrett yaka Perle the number nine pick or their twenty

1671
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:10,839
Speaker 2: twenty six first like that gets it done money wise. Obviously,

1672
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:14,040
Speaker 2: a big time upgrade r J. Barrett to Kevin Durant

1673
01:15:14,200 --> 01:15:17,240
Speaker 2: would be weird to see Kevin Durant next to Brandon Ingram,

1674
01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:19,880
Speaker 2: who I sometimes forget is a Toronto because they traded

1675
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:21,360
Speaker 2: for him, but somehow he missed two months with an

1676
01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:21,800
Speaker 2: ankle sprit.

1677
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:22,000
Speaker 5: Yep.

1678
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:23,679
Speaker 2: I haven't seen him play, yep, haven't seen him play.

1679
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:27,519
Speaker 2: Pearl would be a great center for the Suns. They

1680
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:30,599
Speaker 2: need a center. They're getting a draft pick. Maybe they

1681
01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:32,280
Speaker 2: want both of them. I wouldn't want to do that

1682
01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:34,800
Speaker 2: if I'm Toronto, But you know, the Raptors have been

1683
01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:36,920
Speaker 2: chasing Kevin Durant for a long time. They might bring

1684
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:40,840
Speaker 2: grave As Vasquez back. This deal done Be's buds, right, Yeah,

1685
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:41,479
Speaker 2: exactly right.

1686
01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:45,000
Speaker 1: It's funny you brought up the Raps because going back

1687
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:47,679
Speaker 1: to like, what type of deal are the Suns actually

1688
01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:51,000
Speaker 1: getting here for a thirty seven year old KD. They're

1689
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:52,760
Speaker 1: not getting what they gave up to get him in

1690
01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:54,640
Speaker 1: the first place. You said it trade, and I go

1691
01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:58,599
Speaker 1: back to the Raptors and trading Siakam to the Pacers, Like,

1692
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:01,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, is it gonna be to me? It's going

1693
01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:05,360
Speaker 1: to be worse than Bruce Brown, Jordan Nora, Kira Lewis

1694
01:16:05,439 --> 01:16:08,160
Speaker 1: and three first round picks that were like two in

1695
01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:11,400
Speaker 1: the one class and then another one like or might

1696
01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:13,360
Speaker 1: be comparable or I think it's gonna be worse than

1697
01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:17,759
Speaker 1: that because of obviously a huge age difference and Siakam

1698
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:19,320
Speaker 1: maybe a bit more of a two way player. But

1699
01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:22,160
Speaker 1: you know, Katie all time great, but I don't know,

1700
01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:24,000
Speaker 1: like it's not gonna be that good. And I was,

1701
01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:28,040
Speaker 1: I was livid with that trade. I was not happy

1702
01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:30,439
Speaker 1: with the return the Raptors got. But there's also like

1703
01:16:30,479 --> 01:16:32,280
Speaker 1: you know, it was like contract coming up and stuff

1704
01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:34,840
Speaker 1: like that. So now I know Raptors fans are going, well,

1705
01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:37,439
Speaker 1: they spun around and turn it into brandon ingr Groom. Okay,

1706
01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:40,160
Speaker 1: well yeah, a little bit save face, but that's not

1707
01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:42,320
Speaker 1: a good return. The guy's now balling out in the

1708
01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:44,720
Speaker 1: finals for crying aloud. Point is, I'm just curious to

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01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:47,160
Speaker 1: see what Sons get here for Katie. I think it's

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01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:51,759
Speaker 1: going to be extremely underwhelming, and.

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01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:53,360
Speaker 2: Which is why a lot of teams are in the

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01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:55,559
Speaker 2: running for it right now exactly like, hey, we can

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01:16:55,640 --> 01:16:58,040
Speaker 2: make this happen. We got throwing one pick. We can

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01:16:58,280 --> 01:17:02,519
Speaker 2: figure out a way to minette finagel our salaries right right, And.

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01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:06,560
Speaker 1: I mean and then again, like Katie does have to

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01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:09,120
Speaker 1: like sort of sign off on this like a little wait.

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01:17:09,200 --> 01:17:11,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I know there could be a team that're like,

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01:17:11,200 --> 01:17:12,960
Speaker 1: who cares? Just bring him in here for a year,

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01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:15,080
Speaker 1: try and do what the Raptors do with Kawhi. Let's

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01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:17,200
Speaker 1: just see if that works. Uh, and then he goes,

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01:17:17,240 --> 01:17:20,000
Speaker 1: he goes. But I think you're like, he's going to

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01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:22,160
Speaker 1: sign this extension wherever he probably gets traded, which is

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01:17:22,160 --> 01:17:25,240
Speaker 1: why he's working with Phoenix to like, Okay, let's make

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01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:27,000
Speaker 1: this work. You guys are happy, and then I'm happy

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01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:27,600
Speaker 1: wherever I go.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's why the Clippers one that's out there, I

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01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:33,840
Speaker 4: don't buy that one. I do think the Clippers are

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01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:36,479
Speaker 4: willing to go for it. And the Drew Holiday from

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01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:41,080
Speaker 4: Boston rumors are legitimate to me to add a guard

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01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:45,439
Speaker 4: while Kevin Durant that would just be totally just totally

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01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:47,240
Speaker 4: mirroring you know, Kawhi to some degree.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, but what are they trading. I mean Norman

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01:17:49,479 --> 01:17:51,960
Speaker 1: Powell and Agdanovich.

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01:17:53,160 --> 01:17:56,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, they have they have a six ers pick. Again

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01:17:56,720 --> 01:18:00,080
Speaker 4: they it ain't sexy. There's not a lot of sexiness.

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01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:02,720
Speaker 4: But yeah, damn book, you want to play with Derek

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01:18:02,760 --> 01:18:03,360
Speaker 4: Jones Jr.

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01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:09,160
Speaker 5: Got you man here?

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01:18:09,880 --> 01:18:15,120
Speaker 2: I like Derek Jones j Look, I got good news

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01:18:15,200 --> 01:18:15,800
Speaker 2: and bad news.

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01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:19,400
Speaker 1: What do you want first? Yeah? Which one that would be?

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01:18:20,160 --> 01:18:23,759
Speaker 4: We're getting at Javari Smith, very very solid role player

1743
01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:28,960
Speaker 4: Derek Jones Jr. Freaking NBA finalist a mere year ago.

1744
01:18:30,360 --> 01:18:31,679
Speaker 2: Well, it's a great pitch.

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01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:35,280
Speaker 1: Who what was the best player in all these hypotheticals

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01:18:35,320 --> 01:18:39,400
Speaker 1: I threw at you, like realistic trade packages, It's probably

1747
01:18:40,479 --> 01:18:44,960
Speaker 1: Julius Randall. It is like if the Suns are now,

1748
01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:48,000
Speaker 1: we don't want to be blowing up, and because then

1749
01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:49,720
Speaker 1: Booker is eventually going to go like we actually still

1750
01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:52,240
Speaker 1: want to compete here, Like that's that is the move.

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01:18:52,280 --> 01:18:54,479
Speaker 1: It's to get Randall because he's the best of everybody

1752
01:18:54,520 --> 01:18:56,800
Speaker 1: I've mentioned, not you know, not that some of these guys,

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01:18:56,840 --> 01:18:58,720
Speaker 1: these future guys couldn't like turn into all starts and

1754
01:18:58,760 --> 01:19:03,240
Speaker 1: stuff like that. But right now it's him over you know,

1755
01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:05,800
Speaker 1: Devin Micel or Jalen Green m hm.

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01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:06,040
Speaker 5: Right.

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01:19:06,360 --> 01:19:10,960
Speaker 2: So yeah, team that I think should try the Kawhi

1758
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:14,000
Speaker 2: method for Kevin Brant. We're going to trade for him.

1759
01:19:14,080 --> 01:19:16,040
Speaker 2: Who knows if he's actually going to sign here, but

1760
01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:18,040
Speaker 2: it gives us a chance to win the championship this year.

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01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:22,160
Speaker 2: Cleveland Cavaliers. It would be Jared Allen in the trade.

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01:19:22,200 --> 01:19:24,080
Speaker 2: It's kind of hard to make the salaries work because

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01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:27,439
Speaker 2: the Cavs are pretty cap heavy as well, but you

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01:19:27,439 --> 01:19:30,679
Speaker 2: can do it with like Alan, DeAndre Hunter, and Dean Wade.

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01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:33,080
Speaker 2: I don't know that Katie would want to stick around

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01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:35,880
Speaker 2: in Cleveland, but he gives them a pretty solid chance.

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01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:39,160
Speaker 1: Okay, I thought of that.

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01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:42,360
Speaker 4: One can have his career in Okay. See, then you'd

1769
01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:44,720
Speaker 4: go win a championship with the team that knocked him out,

1770
01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:48,320
Speaker 4: and then Lebron's old team if they win, be weird.

1771
01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:51,719
Speaker 5: That would be weird, but it makes sense.

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01:19:52,120 --> 01:19:54,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm definitely leaning towards these teams that can just

1773
01:19:55,560 --> 01:19:57,080
Speaker 4: try and get there to the top. That's why the

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01:19:57,120 --> 01:19:59,639
Speaker 4: Clippers kind of you know, those teams that are willing

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01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:04,519
Speaker 4: to do it right here right now. The Wolves sure

1776
01:20:05,400 --> 01:20:09,240
Speaker 4: rockets to some degree trying to do it spurs.

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01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:11,200
Speaker 5: I know they haven't been there at all.

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01:20:11,400 --> 01:20:14,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, that one, they're like, you know, in theory, you're

1779
01:20:14,160 --> 01:20:17,840
Speaker 1: convincing yourself. They take a huge jump different season. If

1780
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:20,559
Speaker 1: web Yama doesn't get hurt and all that, you got

1781
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:22,439
Speaker 1: Fox in there and you have a good talented team.

1782
01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:24,120
Speaker 1: If you threw Katie on it. Like you said, if

1783
01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:27,559
Speaker 1: you're basically upgrading, I guess with Seal and Harrison Barnes

1784
01:20:27,560 --> 01:20:29,479
Speaker 1: to Katie, that's good, it's good. Everybody's healthy.

1785
01:20:29,479 --> 01:20:29,760
Speaker 2: All right.

1786
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:32,240
Speaker 1: Well, it's here from you, your favorite wild card team

1787
01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:33,920
Speaker 1: for Kevin Durant. Where do you think he's gonna go? What

1788
01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:35,479
Speaker 1: the package is going to look like? Drop him in

1789
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:37,960
Speaker 1: the comments, dropping him in the chat right now, love

1790
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:40,200
Speaker 1: to see it. We'll be on high alert for the

1791
01:20:40,280 --> 01:20:43,240
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant trade. How many times have we done an

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01:20:43,240 --> 01:20:46,360
Speaker 1: emergency Kevin Duran My goodness, it's got it ill. This

1793
01:20:46,360 --> 01:20:49,000
Speaker 1: will be the third or fourth if the timing works

1794
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:50,439
Speaker 1: for us. There's been a lot.

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01:20:51,240 --> 01:20:52,360
Speaker 2: We've done a ton.

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01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:54,360
Speaker 1: I'll have to go check the thumbnails, but I know

1797
01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:58,520
Speaker 1: I got a lot of Kevin Big emergency podcast.

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01:20:58,280 --> 01:21:01,080
Speaker 5: Ready to go, man to get around, ready to go

1799
01:21:01,160 --> 01:21:05,400
Speaker 5: right now. Out he's looking at it.

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01:21:05,800 --> 01:21:09,120
Speaker 2: I see three. I think we've done three.

1801
01:21:09,240 --> 01:21:10,040
Speaker 1: That's what I thought.

1802
01:21:10,200 --> 01:21:13,080
Speaker 2: The funniest one is emergency pod. Kevin Durant to remain

1803
01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:18,760
Speaker 2: with Brooklyn nets for now. We did an emergency podcast

1804
01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:20,880
Speaker 2: for a non trade request.

1805
01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:22,320
Speaker 1: Yes, and then he brought it back later.

1806
01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:23,080
Speaker 5: Jeez.

1807
01:21:24,280 --> 01:21:27,320
Speaker 1: All right, let's call it there, So no show tomorrow

1808
01:21:27,439 --> 01:21:29,880
Speaker 1: unless Kevin Durant is traded to the San Antonio Spurs

1809
01:21:29,960 --> 01:21:31,760
Speaker 1: or there's other big news, then we'll jump on and

1810
01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:33,840
Speaker 1: hit you with the podcast. But we'll be back on

1811
01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:38,000
Speaker 1: Saturday morning, ten am Eastern here from the Classic Factory,

1812
01:21:38,200 --> 01:21:40,920
Speaker 1: breaking down Game four. We're either going to be tied

1813
01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:42,960
Speaker 1: to two and have a best of three NBA Finals

1814
01:21:43,439 --> 01:21:46,479
Speaker 1: or the Indiana Pacers. We'll do what we all laughed

1815
01:21:46,520 --> 01:21:48,920
Speaker 1: at the other day. Somebody's like, Hey, what do you

1816
01:21:48,920 --> 01:21:50,719
Speaker 1: think the odds are the Pacers going back to Okay,

1817
01:21:50,720 --> 01:21:51,320
Speaker 1: see up three one.

1818
01:21:51,320 --> 01:21:55,400
Speaker 2: I was like, but they could.

1819
01:21:55,560 --> 01:21:57,400
Speaker 1: They absolutely could. But we'll be talking about it here

1820
01:21:57,400 --> 01:21:59,400
Speaker 1: on Sorriday. I hope to see that hit the subscribe.

1821
01:21:59,439 --> 01:22:02,040
Speaker 2: I told the people, if this live stream gets to

1822
01:22:02,080 --> 01:22:05,439
Speaker 2: a thousand likes, I'll do the Saturday show not wearing

1823
01:22:05,439 --> 01:22:06,800
Speaker 2: a shirt. I don't know if that means I'll wear

1824
01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:11,040
Speaker 2: a tank top. You said this, you know, it was

1825
01:22:11,080 --> 01:22:13,559
Speaker 2: just chatting. Okay, show that was late because I forgot

1826
01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:16,240
Speaker 2: a shirt at home. People said, do the show shirtless,

1827
01:22:16,240 --> 01:22:17,960
Speaker 2: and I said, give us a thousand likes and I will.

1828
01:22:18,760 --> 01:22:21,800
Speaker 2: So we need a thousand likes a thousand likes. Okay,

1829
01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:26,000
Speaker 2: hit the light button. No, I walked a thousand likes

1830
01:22:27,240 --> 01:22:30,280
Speaker 2: just to show you my shirts. Do it?

1831
01:22:31,320 --> 01:22:33,840
Speaker 1: You got two shirts on? What do you?

1832
01:22:33,960 --> 01:22:34,320
Speaker 2: What are you?

1833
01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:39,599
Speaker 1: Reggie Milk? All right, we will see you on Saturday

1834
01:22:39,680 --> 01:22:41,280
Speaker 1: until that clipper pros you heard.

1835
01:22:41,080 --> 01:22:43,679
Speaker 2: It here first. Have a great time, turn up. Love

1836
01:22:43,720 --> 01:22:45,160
Speaker 2: you guys, awesome.

1837
01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:46,040
Speaker 5: Thanks for joining us.

1838
01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:51,160
Speaker 4: And remember Pat McAfee wears a tank top right all

1839
01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:51,599
Speaker 4: the time?

1840
01:22:52,120 --> 01:22:53,280
Speaker 5: Or do you change it up now.

1841
01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:56,600
Speaker 1: The odd time you see him not in one? But

1842
01:22:56,680 --> 01:22:59,960
Speaker 1: generally that's his wardrobe, that's his black tank Yeah.

1843
01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:02,479
Speaker 2: I think he's got like a cartoon character closet where

1844
01:23:02,479 --> 01:23:04,599
Speaker 2: he just goes in and it's like forty thousand black

1845
01:23:04,640 --> 01:23:08,720
Speaker 2: tank tops hanging up on. He sort of has to

1846
01:23:10,040 --> 01:23:10,920
Speaker 2: doesn't want to wrinkle.

1847
01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:13,880
Speaker 1: Oh, or do you think he wears a different shirt

1848
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:16,080
Speaker 1: to the Thunderdome and then puts it on when he's

1849
01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:17,519
Speaker 1: at work? Are they all at work?

1850
01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:17,880
Speaker 5: Wow?

1851
01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:19,720
Speaker 2: Kind of the opposite of what I do. Yeah, I

1852
01:23:19,760 --> 01:23:21,800
Speaker 2: show up in a tank top, put on a work shirt.

1853
01:23:21,880 --> 01:23:25,320
Speaker 2: Yeah you think he shows up? Yeah? Yeah, I gotta

1854
01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:25,920
Speaker 2: get in costume.

1855
01:23:26,040 --> 01:23:28,000
Speaker 1: Let's reach out to Pat. We'll find out, all right, guys,

1856
01:23:28,040 --> 01:23:29,479
Speaker 1: let's see a Saturday embrace the day