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Speaker 1: And welcome to the Drivetime Podcast, part of the Miami
Speaker 1: Dolphins official podcast network, covering your Miami Dolphins each and
Speaker 1: every day. How's it going everybody? It is Game Day
Speaker 1: a Thursday. I am your host, Travis Wingfield, and I
Speaker 1: am here to bring you your daily dose of Miami
Speaker 1: Dolphins football. And on today's show, it is game Day.
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Speaker 1: the Wednesday edition of Drive Time. And today we're gonna
Speaker 1: change it up a little bit, as will flashback with
Speaker 1: a pair of host from our own Miami Dolphins podcast network.
Speaker 1: That's right, it's cross over Thursday. Here. We're gonna welcome
Speaker 1: in o J. Juice McDuffie and Seth Levitt of the
Speaker 1: Fish Tank Podcast and talk some Dolphins, Jags, memories, and
Speaker 1: a whole lot more. All of that and more this Thursday,
Speaker 1: September edition of the Drivetime Podcasts. In a short week,
Speaker 1: we have the injury report from Wednesday available back on
Speaker 1: the previous podcast, as well as Miami Dolphins dot Com.
Speaker 1: But we'll have inactives later today up on Miami Dolphins
Speaker 1: dot com. Four Game Day Dolphins at Jaguars at eight
Speaker 1: fifteen on NFL Network. A big game here in primetime
Speaker 1: for your Miami Dolphins. And with that, let's go ahead
Speaker 1: and turn over now to my guest. They host the
Speaker 1: fish Tank Podcast. And if you guys haven't heard the
Speaker 1: fish Tank Podcast, what are you doing? Because this is
Speaker 1: a Miami Dolphins fans essentially their own private tour through
Speaker 1: Dolphins history, Dolphins lore, and so many good inside stories
Speaker 1: from beat reporters, people that work for the team players. Obviously,
Speaker 1: so many people connected to this Miami Dolphins organization have
Speaker 1: done the fish Tank Podcast with Seth and Juice, and
Speaker 1: they always find a way to get the best stories
Speaker 1: out of those guys. It's almost like a competition at
Speaker 1: this point where guys want to come into the fish
Speaker 1: Tank and beat the previous guy's episode with download numbers
Speaker 1: and stories and overall engagements. So it's a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: Check out the fish Tank Podcast and I am thrilled
Speaker 1: now to go ahead and welcome in Seth Levitt and
Speaker 1: O J McDuffie and normally they ask you to dive in,
Speaker 1: but today I'm going to ask them to buckle up
Speaker 1: and ride shotgun here and fire up that engine with us,
Speaker 1: because the fish tank is invading drive time. I've got
Speaker 1: O J mcduffee, I've got Seth Levitt. What's up, boys,
Speaker 1: I gotta stop doing that where I give you guys
Speaker 1: both the opportunity to talk. I gotta narrow it down
Speaker 1: and tell you all right Europe this time, because you
Speaker 1: guys are are like just in sync with that what's
Speaker 1: going on, Travis. So let's go ahead and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: we got you back on here today to help us
Speaker 1: look back at I'm not going to call it a
Speaker 1: rivalry because the only real memorable game in this Dolphins
Speaker 1: Jacksonville or Jaguars you know matchup. It kind of went
Speaker 1: the wrong way on us. But let's go ahead and
Speaker 1: talk some Dolphins jackson Yeah, yeah, a little more. But
Speaker 1: let's let's talk some Dolphins Jags ahead of tonight's Thursday
Speaker 1: night football kickoff and juice. You played Jacksonville twice in
Speaker 1: your career, and one of those two was the rough one.
Speaker 1: But I want to start first with Seth because you
Speaker 1: and I, Seth were kind of b sing off air
Speaker 1: a little bit, and I told you, you know, we
Speaker 1: have those like insignificant moments in our lives that just
Speaker 1: for whatever reason stick with you. I'm not really sure why,
Speaker 1: but I was a young and back in those days,
Speaker 1: back in and the game was on a Saturday in January,
Speaker 1: and that was basketball season for a twelve year old Travis.
Speaker 1: So we're finishing up a game and you know, I
Speaker 1: probably dropped a twenties spot on somebody in a victory,
Speaker 1: no big deal. But all I cared about that day,
Speaker 1: despite the w on the basketball on the basketball court,
Speaker 1: was getting home for Dolphins football, Dolphins playoff football. So
Speaker 1: after my coach breaks us down after the game, I
Speaker 1: finish up with and who's ready to go watch? The
Speaker 1: Dolphins crushed the Jaguars, And I think my teammates reaction
Speaker 1: was a bit of foreshadowing because they were just as
Speaker 1: confused as I was when I got home I saw
Speaker 1: the halftime score. But Seth is all a long winded
Speaker 1: way to get to the speech that you saw with
Speaker 1: a little more gravitas on Friday before that game, before
Speaker 1: the playoff game. Yeah, that was so you know, let
Speaker 1: me let me begin by saying that that Jimmy Johnson's
Speaker 1: speech probably had a different impact on me than it
Speaker 1: did o j And and that's okay for this conversation.
Speaker 1: But I remember, and I don't know if you remember that, Jews.
Speaker 1: You know, we'd have the Friday practice in general, do
Speaker 1: the everybody up and and uh. In those days, even
Speaker 1: as PR guys, we'd be able to get on this field.
Speaker 1: And you know, I wouldn't be the first guy in there,
Speaker 1: but we were close enough and we could hear what
Speaker 1: was being discussed, and and he'd have the all up
Speaker 1: and and and I remember it. I remember Coach saying,
Speaker 1: he goes, you know, he goes, you guys have seen
Speaker 1: what we've seen. You've watched the film, You've looked at
Speaker 1: it all week. We know exactly who they are. We're
Speaker 1: gonna go out there and kick there, asked and he
Speaker 1: said this, And I like, I was ready to go
Speaker 1: run down and you know, be a wedge buster Jewics
Speaker 1: like I I believe I was like, well, I wasn't
Speaker 1: in there watching film, but Coach says it, and everybody
Speaker 1: was all hyped up that we were going to go
Speaker 1: in there and beat the heck out of these guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: apparently he was watching a different film or something. Man,
Speaker 1: I don't know, because obviously we know what happened after that.
Speaker 1: And it was a rough day for a lot of
Speaker 1: different reasons. But I just remember I called, you know,
Speaker 1: my my stepdad and my little brother drove up to
Speaker 1: Jacksonville and they went to the game, and a lot
Speaker 1: of people did because it was, you know, the playoff
Speaker 1: game in state, even though it was a road game.
Speaker 1: And I told them that it was gonna be a
Speaker 1: great day because that's what I heard on that practice
Speaker 1: field that Friday, And it just didn't work out that way.
Speaker 1: You had to come back the same way. I had
Speaker 1: to come back to my sixth grade basketball team and say, well, guys,
Speaker 1: I guess I was wrong on that way. Yeah, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess with my family now, I had to get
Speaker 1: back on that plane and all of us looking at
Speaker 1: each other, and you know, the next day, Jimmy's clearing
Speaker 1: out his office and and obviously it was the last
Speaker 1: game that we'd ever seen Dan Marino suit up in
Speaker 1: in the Dolphins uniform, and and a lot of other guys,
Speaker 1: and so it was it was a rough way to
Speaker 1: go out. Well that's That's where I want to get
Speaker 1: to Juice here and ask him because obviously, you know,
Speaker 1: I love the quote that Seth You always used. If
Speaker 1: you're the toughest guy, or if Dan Marino says you're
Speaker 1: the toughest guy he's ever played with, that's as high
Speaker 1: of honor as you can get. And so you and Dan,
Speaker 1: obviously Juice had a pretty close relationship. What was that
Speaker 1: like in that game, Like, did he go into that
Speaker 1: game knowing this was possibly his last run? And like
Speaker 1: just talk about Dan Marino in the in the end
Speaker 1: of the run there. Now, I'll tell you, man, let's
Speaker 1: let's if we're backtracks a little bit, think about it.
Speaker 1: We played the second game in Seattle the week before,
Speaker 1: you know, all way on the other coast. Um, we
Speaker 1: were already a banged up team at that point. I know,
Speaker 1: my foot was already you know, I'd already gone through
Speaker 1: the struggles with my foot, and I actually iced my
Speaker 1: foot all the way back from Seattle for six hours
Speaker 1: straight just to stop the swelling. Man, it felt like
Speaker 1: I had a heartbeat in it. And then we played
Speaker 1: that first Saturday game, you know, the following week, you know,
Speaker 1: against Jacksonville, and they'd already been sitting home for a while,
Speaker 1: and we got know with with Seth talking about what
Speaker 1: coach was saying the night before. But we were such
Speaker 1: a banged up team at that point. In no excuse,
Speaker 1: jackson it was better than us. I mean, there's there's
Speaker 1: no excuse for us losing. We should never lose that bad.
Speaker 1: Jacksonville was a better football team than us. But I thought,
Speaker 1: for me personally, I thought we got to show it
Speaker 1: in the stead to give us a late game on Sunday,
Speaker 1: early game on Saturday, going across country. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: I think that the NFL could have done a couple
Speaker 1: of favors maybe, and plus he's old guys, We could
Speaker 1: we could have used another day or at least six
Speaker 1: more hours, you know, I rest um, But man, we
Speaker 1: were so we weren't even a step behind Jacksonville that day.
Speaker 1: We were steps behind them. And when I saw our
Speaker 1: defense not able to catch up and make tackles, I
Speaker 1: knew it was gonna be a long day, you know.
Speaker 1: And we knew that they were fresh and trying to
Speaker 1: be the Kings of the Florida. Um. And man, when
Speaker 1: I saw guys running by some of our best defenders,
Speaker 1: it was gonna be a long day. I thought it
Speaker 1: was twenty one nothing if I even got my helmets.
Speaker 1: What it felt like? You know, it was? It was?
Speaker 1: It was, yeah, it was. It was a tough one, man.
Speaker 1: It really was a off one. It and by no
Speaker 1: means that I feel that that was gonna be Danny's
Speaker 1: last game, and you know, by halftime, it felt like
Speaker 1: it was all of our last game. And when you
Speaker 1: talk about that short week, I know, six days is
Speaker 1: you know, people say, well, it's only one day, but
Speaker 1: I mean that cuts into the entire routine, right, because
Speaker 1: a football player is the most regimented profession in all
Speaker 1: in the entire world as far as I'm concerned. Everything
Speaker 1: is down to the minute, down to the day. So
Speaker 1: when you lose that day, like, what does that look
Speaker 1: like for a player? Yeah, you know, and I feel
Speaker 1: sorry for the guys to do the Sunday Thursday thing. Now,
Speaker 1: there's no way you're ready to go. And for a
Speaker 1: guy like myself, especially at that point, I'm not even
Speaker 1: healthy enough to even play, you know, until probably that Thursday,
Speaker 1: Thursday night Friday morning, So even try to get ready
Speaker 1: for a Saturday afternoon game is rough. Like I said,
Speaker 1: no excuses, but I mean the body take it takes
Speaker 1: a long time, man for these guys, and that West
Speaker 1: coast trip. Imagine if people don't even play a game
Speaker 1: that go from the West coast to the East coast,
Speaker 1: you know, and how long it takes their bodies to
Speaker 1: get back to normal. And they only they haven't even
Speaker 1: played a game, you know, they haven't getting beat up
Speaker 1: like you know, three hour straight. So it was. It was.
Speaker 1: It was rough, it really was. But you know, I
Speaker 1: mean that's the way the scheds will panned out. And
Speaker 1: you know, we should have shown up and and and
Speaker 1: showed out better than what we did. So if you
Speaker 1: mentioned the plane ride back home, did you even say
Speaker 1: a word to anybody that day? You learned real quick
Speaker 1: as a PR guy that you know, you keep your
Speaker 1: mouth shut, you know, even after winds and and so
Speaker 1: the other thing a lot of folks may not know.
Speaker 1: And I don't know how different it might be now,
Speaker 1: but we the way we did things. There's a press
Speaker 1: release that comes out the next morning, and it has
Speaker 1: all the statistics from the game, all the different stats,
Speaker 1: all the things we see Brett do those great notes
Speaker 1: and what have you, and so each of us, Harvey, Neil, myself,
Speaker 1: we all had our own role and responsibility and that
Speaker 1: press release, and Neil would right in the bulk of
Speaker 1: the release, and I had certain stats that I kept.
Speaker 1: And so you get on the you get on the
Speaker 1: plane and you break out your laptop and you start working. Um,
Speaker 1: and you know, Jacksonville here is not as a much
Speaker 1: shorter flight than Yeah. Yeah, you're right, it was great
Speaker 1: to get home and have it all be done. Um.
Speaker 1: But but for me, and I don't remember specifically, but
Speaker 1: I imagine a short trip like that, we might have
Speaker 1: even gone into the office afterwards, because Monday morning or
Speaker 1: Sunday morning in that case, gets there in a hurry,
Speaker 1: particularly when it's the last game of the season and
Speaker 1: so much was about to change for this franchise in
Speaker 1: that moment. Yeah, you mentioned Brett, one of our PR
Speaker 1: guys here currently with the Miami Dolphins. He was telling
Speaker 1: me that this week, on short week, there's some all
Speaker 1: nighters in there because you have to get the game
Speaker 1: release out there for postgame for Buffalo and then the
Speaker 1: pregame for Jacksonville. A lot of work you guys do
Speaker 1: up there, and it's it's definitely appreciated by the rest
Speaker 1: of us in the organization. Now let's go ahead and
Speaker 1: transition to another game. But once again, it's it's another loss, guys,
Speaker 1: I don't I mean, can we talk about some wins?
Speaker 1: And you look at these these games and like the
Speaker 1: wins we have were recent, they were late in the season,
Speaker 1: they were non postseason impacting games. It's just there's not
Speaker 1: a lot there. It's the Jags got four, we got
Speaker 1: three on them right now. But I want to go
Speaker 1: back to the game that you used to play on
Speaker 1: Monday night. And I was always curious about this kind
Speaker 1: of more of a general question about Dolphins and Jaguars.
Speaker 1: And you mentioned Seth that you know, the family had
Speaker 1: the in state rivalry a playoff game. There was some
Speaker 1: hyper on that, you know, that big loss in that
Speaker 1: playoff game back in nine. But was there a sense
Speaker 1: juice for you guys as players of like an in
Speaker 1: state pride or was you know, there's a rivalry have
Speaker 1: to be developed over time? Yeah, I think it has
Speaker 1: to be developed over time. We didn't. We didn't think
Speaker 1: much of what what Jacksonville was doing, you know, different division,
Speaker 1: you know, north part of the state. You know, we
Speaker 1: we were so consumed with you know, with Jets, Indianapolis
Speaker 1: at that point, you know, the Bills, the Patriots that
Speaker 1: you know, those are their main concerns, um, you know,
Speaker 1: and so we didn't we didn't think much about jackson
Speaker 1: knew they're a great team and they were really an
Speaker 1: upcoming team. It's amazing how good they got in such
Speaker 1: a short period of time, you know, being a new
Speaker 1: team in the league as well, you know, that was
Speaker 1: it was impressive. But then you know the players they had,
Speaker 1: you know, and we're talking about Brunelle, You're talking about
Speaker 1: Fred Taylor, talking about Keena Macartell, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Even Jay feel were dna have to take him from
Speaker 1: them because he was playing really well against it, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So they had one help team.
Speaker 1: That defense was was one of the best defense we've
Speaker 1: ever played against. UM, So we didn't think much about him,
Speaker 1: but they were definitely obviously somebody to deal with. There's
Speaker 1: a great you talk about the Jacksonville defense, and this
Speaker 1: is probably in the two thousands at some stage. It
Speaker 1: was John Henderson. He he must have been probably three twenty,
Speaker 1: but on the video I saw he looks about three eight,
Speaker 1: about eight feet tall. Where he has the equipment manager
Speaker 1: slap him across the face. Come on, John, you gotta
Speaker 1: do better than that. I gotta get blood in my mouth.
Speaker 1: Did you ever play with a guy that was had
Speaker 1: that mentality like just all go all the time. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of those crazy defensive linement
Speaker 1: that way you know you're you're clean bills and you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, And guys like that or like
Speaker 1: they're really really ridiculous, man, I mean he I mean,
Speaker 1: we're trying to be defens We try to be cute,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. We try to make sure
Speaker 1: we're dressed right. Some of these other dudes, man, they
Speaker 1: don't care what the hell tore where. You know, they
Speaker 1: don't care how they look. They want to get beat
Speaker 1: up before you guys beat each other up on the sideline.
Speaker 1: I said, you guys, mind that my name played the game.
Speaker 1: You know the way you're hitting each other man head
Speaker 1: but you know, slap, you know, smelling sauce. Man. Please,
Speaker 1: these guys are like they're going into a heavy weight
Speaker 1: fight most of the time, whether than going to play
Speaker 1: a football game. And you know, as deeps on the outside, man,
Speaker 1: we try to look as pretty as we can stay
Speaker 1: as clean as we can and look as good as
Speaker 1: we can. Yeah, I think that. You know, at some
Speaker 1: point in everyone's life they realize, Okay, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: make it to the big so I'm not gonna make
Speaker 1: it to the NFL. I'm not gonna make it to
Speaker 1: the NBA. And that was kind of a moment for me, like, Okay,
Speaker 1: that guy is a different species than I am, so
Speaker 1: it's not gonna work out from me. But we want
Speaker 1: to talk about this other game here a real quick
Speaker 1: because you know Big Seth as we like to call
Speaker 1: him around here, Seth Lovett. He runs the Jason Taylor Foundation,
Speaker 1: so he knows the Dolphins Hall of Fame defense event
Speaker 1: quite well. And it sort of seems like, you know,
Speaker 1: we're talking only els in this podcast because we stay
Speaker 1: on this Monday night game and you talked about Keenan
Speaker 1: mccartel juice. He caught too fourth core touchdowns in that
Speaker 1: game to come from behind and win by seven in
Speaker 1: that game and to make matters worse for me. It
Speaker 1: comes off the hand you might mark Brunel, a Washington
Speaker 1: Husky Gokub's, but the big story from that game, Seth
Speaker 1: was a little bit of trash talk between your boy
Speaker 1: j T and Tony Boselli. Yeah, there was a lot
Speaker 1: of that going on. And uh, you know, as JT,
Speaker 1: as everybody will tell you, those guys get paid too,
Speaker 1: especially the really good ones, get paid a lot. And
Speaker 1: Tony was a great player for probably not as long
Speaker 1: as I think everybody would have liked to have seen
Speaker 1: him play. But you know that that was definitely his night.
Speaker 1: Jason will be the first one to tell you. And
Speaker 1: I think he said that when Tony this this last
Speaker 1: year when he was made it into the room there
Speaker 1: for for the Hall of Fame voting, um that you know,
Speaker 1: Tony gave him all he could give him more and
Speaker 1: and you know that that seemed to be his night.
Speaker 1: And you know Fred Taylor had a couple of big runs.
Speaker 1: He had one huge run, I know, the first play
Speaker 1: of the game. I think it was into the game.
Speaker 1: I remember, I don't know why I was down on
Speaker 1: the sideline. Someone must have been doing a pregame interview juice,
Speaker 1: but I was down there on the sidelines and Fred
Speaker 1: came around that and I must have been around the
Speaker 1: right side and he he ran by and it sounded
Speaker 1: like I was standing on the side of Night ninety
Speaker 1: five with trucks going by the way he moved and
Speaker 1: you could just feel him and and he just was
Speaker 1: flying by and Tea Buck was doing everything he could
Speaker 1: to catch him, but it wasn't gonna happen, and so so,
Speaker 1: but yeah, Tony Tony Um, Tony was given it to
Speaker 1: Jason pretty good. J T, especially at that point in
Speaker 1: his career. I think he liked to he liked to
Speaker 1: talk to his opponents and so, you know, he never
Speaker 1: wanted to let you know that you had the best
Speaker 1: to him. And I think they were going at it
Speaker 1: back and forth pretty good. And in that game, you
Speaker 1: also had a touchdown from running back Creem Abdul Jabbar.
Speaker 1: And you know, again going back to my youth here
Speaker 1: a little bit, I saw that name and I was like,
Speaker 1: doesn't seem right to me because I didn't know who
Speaker 1: he was at the time that I learned about him.
Speaker 1: I think he was. Was he Dan's first and only
Speaker 1: one thousand yard rusher? Does that? Do I have that
Speaker 1: stat right? I believe that's correct. That's crazy, So I know,
Speaker 1: first for sure, I'm not sure about it. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure if it was the only one. But yeah, it
Speaker 1: seemed like that, Yeah, because he was so Kareem was
Speaker 1: Jimmy's first year. He was drafted, right, and so nine
Speaker 1: sixty thousand yards and and uh and you're right, I
Speaker 1: think that might have been like the first since Dlvin
Speaker 1: Williams or somebody to get a thousand yards rushing um.
Speaker 1: Karnem was a good guy and a hard runner. Well,
Speaker 1: I was. I was always curious if maybe if some
Speaker 1: of the players might have had some kind of like,
Speaker 1: you know, did you guys rib him for that, like
Speaker 1: the name, like did that ever come up at all? Juice? Like,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously he's got a pretty famous surname there.
Speaker 1: Now we we didn't, you know, we I've seen him,
Speaker 1: you know, when he's out of u c. L A.
Speaker 1: I saw him going through college man and new a
Speaker 1: kind of the type of player he was, man, and
Speaker 1: you know, I mean how good he was. Uh. And
Speaker 1: Kareem is just a really nice guy man. You know,
Speaker 1: He's one of those guys that you would never rib
Speaker 1: because they're too nice. It's it's pointless. You know some
Speaker 1: of the other guys though, you know, some of those
Speaker 1: other guys you give them the businesses because they're always
Speaker 1: trying to give the business out man. But Kareem was
Speaker 1: such a super nice guy and uh you know, hard worker,
Speaker 1: you know, and it was just um, I mean, it
Speaker 1: was just fun having that guy on our team for one.
Speaker 1: But you know, it was weird to see that he
Speaker 1: did have the same you know name as lu Au
Speaker 1: Sinder and you know, and you know, obviously we saw
Speaker 1: afterwards that lu Out Sender actually what suited him for
Speaker 1: that that last name. He had to put abdul only
Speaker 1: on the back of his jersey or something like that.
Speaker 1: So it was kind of a wacky time we had Kareem.
Speaker 1: But what a great guy with a great running back. Man.
Speaker 1: If he could have stayed healthy and with us longer,
Speaker 1: I think he would have been a he would have
Speaker 1: had a hell of a career with us as well.
Speaker 1: He was a pretty serious guy to juice. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, he was pretty serious and his his religion,
Speaker 1: his faith was was very important to him, which is
Speaker 1: why he you know, he chose that name or or
Speaker 1: I guess the name was chosen for him. Um, alright,
Speaker 1: because U c l a guy as well, and uh so,
Speaker 1: so yeah, I don't remember. People would clown him too much.
Speaker 1: But another reason that might have happened was and you
Speaker 1: can talk to Joe Hmino about this, he'll probably uh,
Speaker 1: he'll shake his head. And the equipment manager, So Kareem's
Speaker 1: first game as a Dolphin, I think he had a
Speaker 1: hunter yard game as a rookie. And you know, again,
Speaker 1: for years the Dolphins were searching for this rushing, this
Speaker 1: running game, and Kareem came out and and of course
Speaker 1: he had the name that drew attention. And his name
Speaker 1: was spelled wrong on the back of his jersey his
Speaker 1: first games rookie year, it was spelled addable instead of
Speaker 1: the abdueld and the feat were transposed, and there was
Speaker 1: a picture of him celebrating and hugging someone and it
Speaker 1: was on the Herald and and then you know it
Speaker 1: was like wrong name, right game or something, you know,
Speaker 1: some some crazy headline. And when they told him about
Speaker 1: it afterwards, he said it was disrespectful. And so the
Speaker 1: equipment guys, who nobody works harder in an entire football
Speaker 1: organization than the equipment guys. Those guys literally have the
Speaker 1: dirty work to do, and they work around the clock.
Speaker 1: And and what a great group of guys we had
Speaker 1: then with Tony and Joey and Charlie. But I remember
Speaker 1: that ad Bowl, So if anybody got ripped about the name,
Speaker 1: it was the equipment guys who took a lot of
Speaker 1: of crap for for that baby in spelled rom. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can't get on the jersey because he that's with
Speaker 1: him for the entire game, the entire day, and then
Speaker 1: you wind up in a headline. So I got a
Speaker 1: funny story about that too, because there was a there
Speaker 1: was a Sports Illustrated article one time, or a big spread,
Speaker 1: and it was a photo of Brock Marion and he
Speaker 1: was on top of his head like picking up a
Speaker 1: fumble or picking off a pass. And my brother and
Speaker 1: I we went through my my dad's Sports Illustrated magazine
Speaker 1: and cut out a bunch of photos of of NFL
Speaker 1: players and put them up on the wall and we
Speaker 1: saw the you know, the thirty one. We saw the
Speaker 1: Marion and he was upside down, and we registered that
Speaker 1: as Dan Marino because Marian Marino. And it was like
Speaker 1: weeks later we both were looking at it and go,
Speaker 1: who the hell is marrying because you know, we were young,
Speaker 1: we didn't know who he was at the time, but
Speaker 1: so just kind of funny story there about you know,
Speaker 1: some name changes. But I do want to spend this
Speaker 1: thing forward here and talk about some more Jacksonville games,
Speaker 1: because Juice, we know that you're a big time Dolphins
Speaker 1: fanning your post playing career as well. And I'm curious
Speaker 1: if you recall the two thousand three game. It was
Speaker 1: at Jacksonville, so you probably weren't there obviously, but do
Speaker 1: you recall that play where Jay Feeler I can't remember.
Speaker 1: It's a pitch or a handoff to Ricky running left
Speaker 1: and it gets kind of clogged up off the left side,
Speaker 1: so he has to reverse field backwards to the right
Speaker 1: and he's got one defender and the goal line with
Speaker 1: Jay Feelers a lead blocker, and Jay just wipes him
Speaker 1: out at the knees. Do you recall that played, Juice,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't remember. That has too many hits, Travis,
Speaker 1: I do apologize, and being the biggest Dolf fan, you
Speaker 1: know you think I would remember something like that, man,
Speaker 1: But you know, Seth made a made a point of
Speaker 1: talking about when he heard Fred Taylor run by. Listen
Speaker 1: to Ricky Wallives running by you one time, So if
Speaker 1: I would have been there and saw that those those
Speaker 1: legs right there. Man, what a beast of a runner
Speaker 1: he was. And so yeah, I wish I did remember that.
Speaker 1: I do remember, you know, very few plays. If let
Speaker 1: me tell you this, Travis, I don't remember a lot
Speaker 1: of plays that I played it myself. So imagine me
Speaker 1: trying to remember, you know, games I didn't play in.
Speaker 1: So it's a little rough. Sometimes I apologize, brother, No,
Speaker 1: it's all good. I wanted to. I was curious to
Speaker 1: kind of get a segway off that about Ja because
Speaker 1: we had j a couple of weeks ago for the
Speaker 1: Patriots game and he's talking about recall he was busting
Speaker 1: out you know, formations and who was lined up in
Speaker 1: the in the play on a game that happened back
Speaker 1: in two thousands. So it's funny how you know, some
Speaker 1: players hit the quarter protected the protected, but Jay was
Speaker 1: one of those guys that he would stick his head
Speaker 1: in there and you know, dive head first into the
Speaker 1: end zone, throw a block on a defensive end off
Speaker 1: the outside. So I just want to hear, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe you've got a story forced juice about Jay and
Speaker 1: maybe something that he did one time that kind of
Speaker 1: earned your respect is like, Okay, this guy is not
Speaker 1: just a quarterback, he's a football player. Well Jay was that.
Speaker 1: He was a football player, and you know, and the
Speaker 1: way he ran, you know what I mean in terms
Speaker 1: of workouts, the way he lifted in the weight room,
Speaker 1: the way he was a leader, the way he got
Speaker 1: along with both sides of the football. You know, Jay
Speaker 1: was that guy man that you know that some of
Speaker 1: the guys you know, might have more talent one way
Speaker 1: or another, but you're not gonna find a better teammate
Speaker 1: and a better leader. And you know, I look back
Speaker 1: at some of the games, of course, everybody was reflected
Speaker 1: you back to the you know, to the Oakla Raider
Speaker 1: game with with the you know, four down the scramble
Speaker 1: and him getting into the end zone or were the
Speaker 1: clock runs out on this night and fourth down, but
Speaker 1: you know, things like that. But Jay was just that
Speaker 1: type of leader man, and he ran It's so it's
Speaker 1: ironic you say that. I think cham was our coordinator
Speaker 1: when I was playing with with Jay, and he ran
Speaker 1: that thing to perfection, you know, And we had a
Speaker 1: really good connection a lot of times when I was
Speaker 1: able to get in there with the with the foot
Speaker 1: injury and everything else, but I tell you man what
Speaker 1: a great leader he was. And like I said, anybody
Speaker 1: that gets along with both sides of the ball like
Speaker 1: Jay did, those are the guys that you go to
Speaker 1: battle with, and Jay was that guy you always want
Speaker 1: to go to bottle. You mentioned the Raiders game diving
Speaker 1: across the goal line that we kind of talked about
Speaker 1: there when I did the flashback podcast with him. He
Speaker 1: had the poster was in his backdrop on the window
Speaker 1: behind him, and I pointed out after we got done
Speaker 1: recording the podcast, I say, I remember watching that game
Speaker 1: in my living room losing my mind. J that was awesome,
Speaker 1: and he goes, the only reason that's there is because
Speaker 1: I don't have a sunshade for that. I thought that
Speaker 1: was really good, and that's Jay. It's funny, though, you
Speaker 1: bring that game up, because when when Jay was in
Speaker 1: the fish tank, you talk about that game and and
Speaker 1: to your point, Travis, a few plays earlier, he ran
Speaker 1: for first down and slid and he got a hit
Speaker 1: while he was going down and really, you know today
Speaker 1: probably would have been under the blue tent and canton
Speaker 1: in concussion protocol and uh, I forget who he said
Speaker 1: it was that was It was a prep Paring or
Speaker 1: somebody that was trying to wave him off the field,
Speaker 1: and or maybe James midnight and he said, he told him,
Speaker 1: don't you ever tell somebody getting me off this field?
Speaker 1: And I get back in the huddle, let's go run
Speaker 1: on the play. And you could see he's he's doing me. Uh,
Speaker 1: he's about to follow down and somehow he kept going.
Speaker 1: And but Jay indicated, you know a guy who comes
Speaker 1: up that way. Look, Travis, not everybody's the first round
Speaker 1: draft pick, like oh J M. Duffy, right, But so
Speaker 1: Jay the guy who I mean, he had he had
Speaker 1: a football for a year and a half and he
Speaker 1: was coaching a hospital and everything else. And so he
Speaker 1: indicated when he finally got a chance to get under
Speaker 1: center and again he was gonna everything could to prevent
Speaker 1: anybody from taken out away sor it was. It was
Speaker 1: fun to watch him that way too, because you definitely,
Speaker 1: you know, football kind of has that blue collar mentality.
Speaker 1: You might hear teams, you know broadcast us talk about
Speaker 1: the Steelers are a blue collar town. Now football is
Speaker 1: a blue collar sport. And so when you see a
Speaker 1: player put his body on the line like that, you
Speaker 1: that resonates with you as a fan and you can
Speaker 1: just appreciate that guy more. And I want to talk
Speaker 1: to you guys about the Fish Tank here as we
Speaker 1: get out of here for this edition of Drive Time.
Speaker 1: But Seth, I'm gonna do it to you many because
Speaker 1: we talked about the Ricky Williams touchdown run. You've talked
Speaker 1: about it on the Fish Tank podcast. I just I
Speaker 1: gotta ask you because that was we we talked about this.
Speaker 1: It was Ricky Williams for me and King Griffe Jr.
Speaker 1: Growing up were the two guys that I looked that
Speaker 1: I just thought were the best athletes I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: And come to find out years later, after reading my
Speaker 1: newspaper eating my cheerios for breakfast one morning, reading that
Speaker 1: Ricky Williams have retired from football, crying into my cheerios,
Speaker 1: I come to find out now that I'm friends with
Speaker 1: the guy that that that made him do it. Well.
Speaker 1: Your co signing way too quickly, on quickly, so listen,
Speaker 1: I'm getting a whole lot of credit here that I
Speaker 1: don't think I deserve. And I love to take credit
Speaker 1: for things. That being said, there were a lot of
Speaker 1: things going on in Ricky's life. You know when he
Speaker 1: indicated that in the tank he had a lot going on. Uh,
Speaker 1: there were some contractual issues. He was he had carried
Speaker 1: the ball and taking a lot of hits for two
Speaker 1: years here with the Dolphins and felt that perhaps his
Speaker 1: value was more than what they were assessing it. As um,
Speaker 1: we know that there there were some recreational activities that
Speaker 1: he was involved in that that maybe didn't fall in
Speaker 1: line with what the NFL rules were. So so there's
Speaker 1: that piece as well. But the fact of the matter
Speaker 1: is I did, after eight years of working through the team,
Speaker 1: I did accept a position from Jason to go run
Speaker 1: the foundation. And when I was going around saying by
Speaker 1: the guys, particularly guys I was close with, like a Ricky.
Speaker 1: Ricky was the one guy who said, you know, can
Speaker 1: can I ask you why you're leaving? And I shared
Speaker 1: it with him. I just didn't know he was going
Speaker 1: to connect with that way. You know, no, no, if
Speaker 1: somebody's gonna connect with So I guess. You know, as
Speaker 1: I said earlier in the show here that you learn
Speaker 1: as a PR guy to keep your mouth shut. Maybe
Speaker 1: that was one of those instances I should have kept
Speaker 1: my mouth shut. Yeah, I know, Juice loves to give
Speaker 1: you a hard time for that, right, Juice. It's it's terrible, man.
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't realize it until we did the podcast.
Speaker 1: That Step was the reason we lost the best running
Speaker 1: back and dolf in history, you know, And that's I
Speaker 1: blame him whole whole hardly STEP's fault. He can try
Speaker 1: to blame Ricky said, Ricky had other things going on,
Speaker 1: But you know what Step game that final push. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the last push that got him into retirement. No.
Speaker 1: I carried that with me for a long time because
Speaker 1: his eyes like lit up when I see ye, his
Speaker 1: eyes lit up like damn, like a eureka. Maybe that's
Speaker 1: what I spent football. Weeks later, he's calling me for
Speaker 1: Trasher's phone number and then dance phone number, and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh no, I don't know if this is
Speaker 1: a good thing. But but you know, from a football perspective,
Speaker 1: it was devastating to so many and within the building
Speaker 1: and outside and I get that, um, but you know,
Speaker 1: from the human side of things, this is a guy
Speaker 1: that spent spent a lot of time working on himself
Speaker 1: and trying to find himself, and this is something that
Speaker 1: he felt he needed and and don't seth, Seth, don't
Speaker 1: do that. Man. He should have done that after football.
Speaker 1: He still had football left. Any man, everybody finds himself
Speaker 1: after football. But maybe maybe he geted that and he
Speaker 1: came back right right, all right, I guess. Yeah, Well
Speaker 1: we'll let you want to get people to listen to
Speaker 1: the Fish, Well, we're gonna let you off the hook
Speaker 1: here and talk about what you guys got coming to
Speaker 1: the pipe this week, because you had Keith Sims on
Speaker 1: Tuesday's podcast, and uh, you guys want to talk about
Speaker 1: that episode a little bit, maybe what's coming up next
Speaker 1: for you? Yeah, Keith was great and entertank man. You know,
Speaker 1: we had Richmond Webb on already and we just dropped
Speaker 1: Keith as you know. Um, but he was so much
Speaker 1: fun to talk about, you know, the good old days
Speaker 1: and some of the stories that went along in that
Speaker 1: locker room, some Bruce Smith stories and playing with Webby
Speaker 1: and you know, having Danny as a quarterback and you know,
Speaker 1: just any and everything that you want to talk to
Speaker 1: Keith about. Man, he's so knowledgeable about the game, you know,
Speaker 1: and and uh that do with everybody. You're good, okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's so knowledgeable about the game man, and so you know,
Speaker 1: we talked about you know, his RV. You know what
Speaker 1: he what he does now, which is one of his
Speaker 1: his his great hobbies that he enjoys men, and you know,
Speaker 1: being a you know, homeschool and he's homeschooling his kids
Speaker 1: right now. So there's a lot of things about these
Speaker 1: guys after football that that is very interesting. But Keith
Speaker 1: when here and Richmond were drafted, you know, and he
Speaker 1: talks about his draft story. It was very interesting. I
Speaker 1: mean that that draft story itself was was was crazy,
Speaker 1: you know. And it's a lot of guys with these
Speaker 1: types of stories, man. But you know, it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: where you get drafted, is where you going and making
Speaker 1: the most of them, and I think Keith did that
Speaker 1: for the most part. Yeah, The Fish Tank Podcast with
Speaker 1: Keith Sims is now available for you guys wherever get
Speaker 1: your podcast from and uh seth, I'll give you the
Speaker 1: final word here mannything else you guys are working on
Speaker 1: coming to the pipeline. We've just got a lot of
Speaker 1: fun guys to talk to. We have another Keith that's
Speaker 1: uh in in QE Keith Keith Jackson will be coming up.
Speaker 1: Um Todd Wade was you know, you talk about another
Speaker 1: big guy in the line who you know. I think
Speaker 1: a lot of people think that these linemen are just
Speaker 1: big and quiet, but Todd had some It was a
Speaker 1: lot of fun. Uh, even gonna show off some singing
Speaker 1: skills and tank. So I just you know, we these
Speaker 1: these flashbacks are great, Travis, and you do a beautiful
Speaker 1: job with him, and and that's certainly our wheelhouse. We
Speaker 1: like to look back and and and just be nostalgic
Speaker 1: and really again be narrative driven, tell great stories and
Speaker 1: hopefully give fans some insight on if they were hanging
Speaker 1: out with O and one of their other favorite players
Speaker 1: and some other guy they wish would shut up, what
Speaker 1: would that sound like all day? And that's yeah. I
Speaker 1: figured we couldn't do flashback without getting you guys on
Speaker 1: at one point. And you talk about those conversations. We
Speaker 1: did the charity poker tournament of the night just hearing
Speaker 1: just hearing JT and Juice go back and forth. I
Speaker 1: was a fly on the wall. I was really wanted
Speaker 1: to play my pocket A says, I want to just
Speaker 1: hear that conversation. Man, Hey, you gotta give the business,
Speaker 1: you know, Vis I've got to give the Hall of
Speaker 1: Famers the business. You know, If I don't give Doom
Speaker 1: the business, I can't give anybody else a business. No,
Speaker 1: no juice. I you're on that wall in that building
Speaker 1: I walk into every day too, So don't set yourself
Speaker 1: short there, sir. Yeah, alright they are O. J McDuffie
Speaker 1: and Seth Levitt of the fish Tank Podcast, part of
Speaker 1: the Miami Dolphins Podcast Network, fellows, thank you so much,
Speaker 1: A lot of fun to do this with you guys,
Speaker 1: Thanks for having and just as I said I wasn't
Speaker 1: gonna do it at the start of the show, I
Speaker 1: do it there again at the end of the show,
Speaker 1: getting them both talking over each other. But how good
Speaker 1: was that those guys have such rapport, such fun on
Speaker 1: chemistry on the fish Tank Podcast. You guys can find
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