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Speaker 1: I am your host, Chris Raybaon today.

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Speaker 5: We're gonna discuss some preseason rises and followers. We're gonna

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Speaker 5: Sean Kerner, Sean, thank you for taking time out from

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, like you said, maybe he ends up in Miami

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Speaker 3: or something like that. But yeah, your voice is shot

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he had a really cool draft.

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Speaker 5: we're gonna jump into those preseason rises and followers. I

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Speaker 5: think some interesting developments, but first got to talk about

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Speaker 5: our live event we had over the weekend in Chicago.

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Speaker 5: That s got my voice al scratchy, so excuse me again,

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Speaker 5: but really excited to be joined here by a special guest,

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Speaker 1: We were women it.

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Speaker 5: We had twelve we had a draft, twelve man draft,

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Speaker 5: Eathan Isaacson. So Ethan, what's up man? Welcome to the

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Speaker 5: Fantasy Fox Podcast. Uh, how you joined that belt?

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Speaker 4: Oh? The belt is awesome.

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Speaker 2: I got it right here for for the for the viewers,

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Speaker 2: got it, got the hardware. But yeah, it was a

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Speaker 2: fantastic event. To appreciate you all, host Nick, great hospitality,

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Speaker 2: and appreciate you all having on the pot.

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Speaker 4: It's excited to be here today.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, So I wanted to talk to you about

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Speaker 5: the draft that you had and Sean as well, and

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Speaker 5: we'll kind of go back and forth to here, but

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Speaker 5: we just thought it was an overall really great draft.

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Speaker 5: So we had we had you guys draft, have a

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Speaker 1: With what's something we put up?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So with that eleventh pick, I was kind of

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Speaker 3: I thought Lawrence had a great draft. He was very

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Speaker 5: Yeah, No, I feel like bow Knicks gets He's had

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Speaker 5: So yeah, like I feel you on the boat Nicks,

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Speaker 5: Drake May. Well, just besides Drake May because he already

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Speaker 5: But out of your other skill guys non quarterbacks, who

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Speaker 5: Mitchell Man, he just I've never seen him talk about

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Speaker 1: Quarterback who's rising Sean?

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Speaker 3: And you know, Jayden Blue, he's been dealing with some

440
00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:37,120
Speaker 3: injuries throughout preseason, but we finally got to see him

441
00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:39,639
Speaker 3: this week and I thought he looked sharp and he

442
00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:43,760
Speaker 3: had that big boy touchdown near the goal line. Unfortunately,

443
00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:45,800
Speaker 3: he you know, he tweaked his ankle again. There's nothing

444
00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,280
Speaker 3: he could do about that, but he's already back at practice,

445
00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:51,520
Speaker 3: so it's like he's quickly overcoming these injuries that might

446
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:55,240
Speaker 3: knock a player out longer. So I've been impressed by

447
00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:57,720
Speaker 3: the limited action we've seen and his you know, quick

448
00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,960
Speaker 3: recovery so far. So I kind of like that he's

449
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,080
Speaker 3: still kind of under the radar, given you know, he's

450
00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:06,639
Speaker 3: been dealing with injuries and didn't play much in the preseason.

451
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:11,080
Speaker 3: So just given how this backfield shaping up, I like

452
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,639
Speaker 3: him even more heading in the season. Now, they're a

453
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:15,720
Speaker 3: team that could end up trading for a guy like

454
00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:18,640
Speaker 3: Tink Bigsby, and that'll throw a wrench into my plans.

455
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,600
Speaker 3: But as of now, just given the state of this

456
00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,280
Speaker 3: depth chart and you know how good I think Blue

457
00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,240
Speaker 3: could be, he's been.

458
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:29,040
Speaker 4: On the rise for me personally, Yeah, I mean.

459
00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,440
Speaker 5: It's kind of funny to me that the team that

460
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 5: was giving carries to Ezekiel Elliott last year and then

461
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:39,359
Speaker 5: decided to replace him with Dalvin Cook for a couple

462
00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:43,159
Speaker 5: of games has now like just put Javonte Williams on

463
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,359
Speaker 5: ice for the entire preseason.

464
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:49,560
Speaker 1: Like he's just so far ahead of the crowd here,

465
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 1: what could go wrong? All Right? A wide receiver who's

466
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,320
Speaker 1: rising at wide receiver for this preseason.

467
00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 4: Dante Thornton, for sure.

468
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 3: You know, the buzz around him has been growing for

469
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 3: weeks now, people are speculating he could be the top

470
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 3: receiver on the Raiders already. You know, he played with

471
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,440
Speaker 3: the starters this final week of the preseason with Gino

472
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 3: Smith and went, you know, two catches twenty six yards

473
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 3: and a touchdown. You know he can win downfield. He's

474
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 3: definitely a downfield threat. So I think it's a good

475
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 3: fit with Gino Smith. I think he's gonna have a

476
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,919
Speaker 3: role either way. But now you know, with Jacoby Myers

477
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 3: requesting a trade, you know, the Raiders are saying that

478
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 3: they're not going to trade him out. Who knows what's

479
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 3: going on there That would seriously open things up for Thornton.

480
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 3: So his stock was shooting up yesterday, and then they

481
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,919
Speaker 3: signed Amari Cooper and then so people are like, oh,

482
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,960
Speaker 3: I guess we're out on Thornton. Did anybody watch Amary

483
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:49,160
Speaker 3: Cooper last year? He might be cooked. So I don't

484
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 3: think he's really a threat for Thornton. Not if you're

485
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,639
Speaker 3: you know, investing in Thornton's upside in deeper leagues or

486
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:58,119
Speaker 3: dynasty formats. He still has a ton of upside heading

487
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 3: into this year. So I thought Thornton, specifically this week,

488
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 3: his stock went up in my eyes, it'll go up

489
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,440
Speaker 3: even more if you know Myers does get traded to

490
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 3: have to monitor that. But a guy that's already being

491
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 3: drafted very early, his stock's going up, and that's Cortland Sutton.

492
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 3: I know you're already high on him, but he's been

493
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 3: going up in my projection just given you know, how

494
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 3: how high a floor I think he has at this point.

495
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 3: You know, the starters played three drives and Sutton got

496
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 3: seven targets for four catches eight or three yards and

497
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 3: a touchdown, just showing you know, he's the clear alphit

498
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 3: in this offense. But I think people might be discounting

499
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 3: how good Bownix might actually be heading in a year

500
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,679
Speaker 3: or two. You know, we were talking Ethan about that

501
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 3: about you know, the draft we had over the weekend,

502
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,880
Speaker 3: but I mean that that could really unlock sutton ceiling.

503
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,719
Speaker 3: Just how good Nicks can get this year. And not

504
00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:58,639
Speaker 3: too worried about Evan Ingram right now. You know, it

505
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,400
Speaker 3: looks like he's not going to be a full time

506
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 3: player like people were saying. We kind of hinted at that,

507
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:09,159
Speaker 3: but Sutton is the clear alpha in this offense, so

508
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,399
Speaker 3: he's just gonna carry a high floor and you know,

509
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 3: a high ceiling along with that. So, uh, Sutton's been

510
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 3: moving up in my ranks. I just think he's a

511
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,159
Speaker 3: solid wide receiver too, in that range where there's a

512
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 3: lot of guys with question marks. I have zero question

513
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 3: marks around Courtland Sutton.

514
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 1: I freaking hate Sean Payton, you know, like everyone else.

515
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,920
Speaker 5: You know, he's gonna rotate in and out and in

516
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:33,919
Speaker 5: and out. So what does he why does he have

517
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 5: to give Courtland Sutton like a chance to erupt in

518
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:41,439
Speaker 5: the preseason and like raise his adp it Like, yeah,

519
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 5: like we knew, at least like I knew Cortland Sutton

520
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,119
Speaker 5: was going to be like but you know what I mean,

521
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 5: I think like it's one of those guys that I

522
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,639
Speaker 5: feel like everyone kind of like Kyed Williams, like everyone

523
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 5: wants to write him off, but then it's like, but

524
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 5: he's actually good. Uh so yeah, I mean this actually

525
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,160
Speaker 5: there's actually bad news for anyone who wanted to draft

526
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 5: him because now he's there's no way you're getting them

527
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,360
Speaker 5: at a discount of He's pretty valuable with the way

528
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 5: that like that there's that frozen pond tier of wide

529
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:13,479
Speaker 5: receivers with you know, Marvin Harrison and Garrett Wilson, and

530
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 5: I mean I put DeVante in that tier as well,

531
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,919
Speaker 5: So like, yeah, I mean, I like, I like getting Sutton,

532
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:21,879
Speaker 5: you know, a little waiter than those guys.

533
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:23,640
Speaker 1: And now he's kind of right there.

534
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,679
Speaker 5: So yeah, he's he's definitely gonna rise. Shouldn't be but

535
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 5: you know, because every his value didn't really change, but uh, yeah,

536
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 5: he's he's definitely on the on the rise. And uh,

537
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 5: I think Marvin Millmes is actually a guy who, like,

538
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 5: because of the preseason developments, his stock should be rising

539
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 5: because last year second half of the year, he was

540
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,880
Speaker 5: the wide receiver UH twenty six in PBR twenty eight

541
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 5: and a half and he only played thirty one percent

542
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 5: of the snaps, ran a route just under forty percent

543
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,400
Speaker 5: of the time. In the preseason, he ran a route

544
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 5: UH on over ninety percent of the dropbacks and was on

545
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,959
Speaker 5: the field for the same amount of time. So, uh,

546
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 5: that's interesting because Troy Franklin more of the number three

547
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 5: guy who was like a sixty five percent guy, and

548
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 5: then they traded Veyley, but that would just more so

549
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 5: open things up for Brian, it seems at this point

550
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,439
Speaker 5: or Franklin because Bryan didn't really play any snaps with

551
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 5: the starter, so it looks like Mims is just gonna

552
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 5: be in every down player.

553
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 1: If he is, I mean, he could.

554
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 5: Triple his snapcount from a time when he was the wires,

555
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 5: like inside the top thirty. So even though I don't

556
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 5: think anyone on Denver outside of Sutton will be very

557
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 5: consistent from week to week, where Mims is going, I

558
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:42,959
Speaker 5: would take a shot on him. I mean, he's he's

559
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 5: still going outside the top fifty receivers, and there's a

560
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 5: chance he just every week he's just erupting with a

561
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 5: big play and he gets like ten chances to do

562
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 5: it because he's on the field like one hundred percent

563
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 5: of the time. So I thought I thought that development

564
00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 5: was quite quite interesting.

565
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: It might be flying to under the.

566
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 5: Radar because he didn't he didn't make as many He

567
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 5: didn't make any big plays, like he didn't have a

568
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 5: fifty eight yard catch or the big game like Sutton did.

569
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 5: So I think Mims is when someone's trending up for me,

570
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 5: And of course I got Matthew Golden as well. For

571
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 5: Green Bay, it seems like all their receivers except him

572
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 5: and Romeo Dobbs are banged up, and Golden he was

573
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 5: already running with the ones in two wide receiver sets.

574
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 5: Camp did that in the preseason, didn't did it into

575
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 5: the third game called a thirty nine yard pass from

576
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,479
Speaker 5: Lake Willis Jordan Love should be back. We won.

577
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think Golden's continuing to trend up.

578
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love Golden, and again, like he's going in

579
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 3: a range where I think it makes sense to kind

580
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 3: of take a flyer on a rookie wide receiver, and

581
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 3: he's probably going to be the top target for the

582
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 3: Packers this year. So that's why you know, Ted McMillan

583
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 3: love him as a talent, but he's going way way

584
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 3: earlier than Golden. So and gold look great on that

585
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 3: what was that thirty nine yard catch? Love is upside

586
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 3: and I still think he's being slept on just considering

587
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 3: you can get him most of the time outside of

588
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 3: the top forty.

589
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 4: Still.

590
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 5: You know it's interesting too, he's actually rising so according

591
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 5: to Fantasy pros, well, yeah, he's up to forty one.

592
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 5: He started the preseason at forty six, so he might

593
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 5: by the time people are wispering to this, he might

594
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 5: have he might be inside of the top forty But

595
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 5: what I think as interesting is over the past seven seasons,

596
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 5: rookie wide receivers taking around one who have an ADP

597
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 5: outside the top thirty, they've beat their ADP sixty six

598
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 5: percent of the time, like two thirds at a time.

599
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 5: So Hunter's still going outside of the top thirty. ABUCA

600
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 5: and Matthew Golden Ted is the only guy going inside.

601
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,479
Speaker 5: So I'll take all those guys. Yeah over over Ted.

602
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 5: Not not that he can't produce too, but I just

603
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 5: think something value from a value.

604
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we're not. We're not really shitting on TET.

605
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 3: It's just like all these guys have similar upside. Just

606
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 3: give me the guy that you can get a little

607
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 3: bit later.

608
00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 4: That's all it. That's all it is when it comes

609
00:29:59,360 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 4: down to TET.

610
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 5: All right, let's close it out with tight ends for risers.

611
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, the first guy is a rookie. I think his

612
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 3: stock's been going up, but it's Harold fannin junior went

613
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 3: two catches for sixty yards and a touchdown his final

614
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 3: preseason game. But I think it was important to note

615
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 3: that he caught his fifteen yard touchdown from the Week

616
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 3: one starter Joe Flacco. I mean it was a hospital

617
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 3: ball if it was anywhere but the end zone, I

618
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 3: think Fannin wouldn't have appreciated that that throw, that placement,

619
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 3: but he caught it for a touchdown. And I've just

620
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 3: been given the state of the Browns wide receiver room,

621
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 3: they're gonna be using a lot more to tight ends

622
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 3: sets this year. Fan and Junior might be essentially like

623
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 3: a wide receiver, like a slot receiver, like a Brock Bowers.

624
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 3: I think that's how they might view him as a rookie.

625
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 3: So love his upside to just find ways to get

626
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 3: on the field, even in joke who's healthy. But if

627
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 3: David Joku misses time, I think Fan and Junior could

628
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 3: offer tight end one, low end tight end one value,

629
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 3: especially if Flacco reverts to his twenty twenty three version

630
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 3: with the Browns. So fantas Junior is a guy that's

631
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 3: been creeping up my ranks, and the other guy would

632
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 3: be Kate Aughton. You know, a lot of the buzz

633
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 3: has been around a Mecca a Buca and his stock

634
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 3: going up, which is certainly warranted with Chris Godwin looking

635
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,719
Speaker 3: like he's gonna miss extended amount of time and then

636
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 3: Jalen McMillan looking like he's gonna miss at least half

637
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 3: the season. You know, Cayton's gonna benefit as well. And

638
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 3: that's why I mentioned Kate Aughton on our League Winner

639
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 3: pod last year. How his two years as the starting

640
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 3: tight end in the league, he yet to play a

641
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 3: game with either Mike Evans or Chris Godwin out, And

642
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 3: then he had a stretch last year We're both were

643
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 3: out at the same time and I was projecting him

644
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 3: inside my top five. So he's the guy that you

645
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 3: have to remember. He also benefits if Chris Godwin and

646
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 3: a Jalen McMillan type are out. You know, certainly Mike

647
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 3: Evans and Abuka u are gonna be the top two targets,

648
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 3: but if either one of them missed time as well,

649
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 3: you know, Auten's only gonna go up in my weekly projections.

650
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 3: So he's a guy that you know, he's still more

651
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 3: of a high end tight end too, but I think

652
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 3: he has a path to more early season targets than

653
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 3: he did a couple of weeks ago, so his stock

654
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 3: has been climbing up as well.

655
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's the Joe Mixon and god we were the

656
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 5: two were just like I feel like these teams they

657
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 5: knew what was going on with these guys, just did

658
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 5: not really reveal it because the more you looking at

659
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 5: guy would I mean, I mean, I we'll talk about

660
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 5: him later, but it just was not it was not

661
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 5: an injury that you would think somebody would would come

662
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 5: back for him. Like it's looking less and less surprising

663
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Speaker 5: that they even took a buka uh in the first

664
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Speaker 5: round the more you look into it. So uh, yeah,

665
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Speaker 5: I think gotten set up to benefit once again. For me,

666
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 5: it's Mason Terra or the Jets. You know, he's always

667
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 5: been kind of a weird ride this preseason, but start

668
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 5: to get snaps with the starters and now it feels

669
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 5: like Rutgerts on the roster.

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Speaker 1: But we might even be cut by the time we

671
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Speaker 1: record this.

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Speaker 5: Uh. But you know, he was essentially playing uh with

673
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 5: the with the you know, second and third team in

674
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 5: the you know preseason games that Taylor played after I

675
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 5: think they they played together for a little bit. But uh,

676
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 5: clearly Taylor is viewed as the future. And uh this

677
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 5: this this new regime looks like they're not playing any games.

678
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 5: I mean, they they already cut like all the other

679
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 5: holdovers like Koont's and male Chai Corley's gone after what

680
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 5: one year, So I think Taylor, I think it's good

681
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 5: news for all the h you know, the kind of

682
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 5: the new guys they brought in.

683
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Speaker 1: You know, I'm sure guy like Allen Wizard is probably

684
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: not gonna do much either.

685
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 5: I know he's supposedly healthy, but he's essentially a tight

686
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 5: end at this point, uh too, and with no Aaron Rodgers.

687
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 5: But yeah, I think Mason Taylor, I don't know if

688
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 5: it will translate into consistent fantasy value even if you're

689
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 5: uh in two tight end leagues, you know, because justin feels.

690
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 5: I mean, it could be Art Wilson or Scramble pretty

691
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 5: much every time, and Brest Hall could still get a

692
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 5: lot of targets if he's on the team, which seems

693
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,879
Speaker 5: like he will be so. But Taylor definitely think he's

694
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 5: moving back up. And I thought Ferguson too for the Rams.

695
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,399
Speaker 5: I know he was hurt, so that was probably why

696
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 5: he was playing in that last preseason game with all

697
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 5: the other guys who aren't going to make the roster,

698
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 5: but he was really good, and it's two catches you

699
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 5: get a chance to see Terrence Ferguson at all.

700
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, he looked good. Again.

701
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 3: We kind of talked about Tyler Higbee potentially being a

702
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,879
Speaker 3: sleeper pick. I thought they brought in Ferguson to kind

703
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 3: of like bolstel their depth. So I like him twenty

704
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,240
Speaker 3: twenty six and beyond, But if Higbee were do miss time,

705
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 3: I think he could step in. Really, just any rams

706
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 3: tight end like a Higbee or Ferguson if they get

707
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,280
Speaker 3: a full time role, could offer tight end will value.

708
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,240
Speaker 3: Just it's tricky to project them when they're both healthy.

709
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 3: But I love Ferguson long term, and it was nice

710
00:34:58,040 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 3: to see him out there and yeah, he looked he

711
00:34:59,520 --> 00:34:59,959
Speaker 3: looks solid.

712
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I mean again, we're recording this as roster cuts are happening,

714
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 5: and they could always be moved.

715
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Speaker 1: But I thought it was interesting that.

716
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Speaker 5: They kept Kobe Parkinson out for the entire preseason as well,

717
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 5: because he did really played that well last year. He

718
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 5: kind of lost what should have been his, you know,

719
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 5: his job, like a full time drive. They kind of

720
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 5: started splitting snaps at tight end near the end of

721
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,359
Speaker 5: the year, so I almost wonder if maybe they're thinking

722
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 5: about trading him. I know he's got a pretty big

723
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 5: contract that he got last year, but as good as ferguson. Look,

724
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 5: I don't see how you keep him off the field,

725
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 5: as you know, kind of like the receiving version of

726
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 5: your tight end group, and that would kind of make

727
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 5: Parkinson expendable, So look look out for that. But we'll

728
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 5: get into stock fallers in a second, but before we do,

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Speaker 5: let's get into a quick segment presented by Yahoo Fantasy

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Speaker 5: on rookie sleepers. Sean, We've done this in our positional

731
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Speaker 5: Rookie Report episodes, but of all the upcoming rookies, now

732
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Speaker 5: that we're done with the preseason, who is your top

733
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 5: sleeper or the rookie that you are most excited to

734
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 5: watch this season?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

736
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Speaker 3: So for me, I'm gonna stick with Jaden Blue, who

737
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Speaker 3: I've viewed him as a sleeper pick ever since he

738
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 3: landed in Dallas, just given their running back depth being

739
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 3: really shaky, and that's still the case. Heading in the

740
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Speaker 3: Week one they haven't added anybody yet. We'll see if

741
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 3: anything changes, but as of now, it looks like Javonte

742
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 3: Williams will be the Week one starter. I don't think

743
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 3: he's long for this world. I think it's only a

744
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,280
Speaker 3: matter of time until he loses his job to someone

745
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 3: like Jayden Blue and Jaden Blue is still kind of

746
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 3: under the radar because he's been banged up in camp,

747
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 3: only played a limited amount in preseason, which was the

748
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 3: final week, and I thought he looked great and he

749
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 3: also scored a short yardage big boy touchdown, So I

750
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,240
Speaker 3: just loved what I saw in limited time. And again,

751
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 3: it won't take much for him to leap frog everybody

752
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 3: on this depth chart and potentially be the starting back

753
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 3: for the Cowboys, So I still think he's pretty sneaky

754
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 3: in drafts right now.

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Speaker 5: For me, it's Jacory Krofsky of the Commanders. This is

756
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 5: the last running back taken in the draft, and it

757
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 5: could end up being the number one fantasy back in

758
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 5: the draft, if or at least the number one value

759
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 5: because he essentially made the Commander's trade Brian Robinson Junior.

760
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Speaker 1: He's reported we had a great camp.

761
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 5: We saw it on display with the I think it

762
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 5: was a twenty seven yard touchdown run on his first

763
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 5: carry against the Bengals.

764
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Speaker 1: So excited to watch this guy.

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Speaker 5: I thought the Commander's got great production out of all

766
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 5: their running backs last season, kind of better production than

767
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 5: they were known for, including Robinson, including guy like Jeremy McNichols.

768
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: Chris Rodriguez flashed last year as well.

769
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 5: Ecler was efficient, so excited to see what this guy

770
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 5: could do given that I thought Robinson probably had his

771
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 5: best season last year as well.

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Speaker 1: So Jayden Blewe to Corey Krofsky, Merrick.

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Speaker 5: stock down, Kerner, you gotta pour one out from my boy.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Anthony Richardson. Yeah, let's talk about him, because yeah,

800
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,720
Speaker 3: there's no denying you know. His stock took a massive

801
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 3: hit with the team announcing Daniel Jones won the starting job.

802
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 3: I thought he would have to really bomb for that

803
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 3: to happen, but it has happened. They didn't let him

804
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 3: play in week three of the preseason, which was odd

805
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 3: to me because he simply just needs more reps, more

806
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 3: playing time. That was kind of the knock on him

807
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 3: is he didn't get much playing time in college, and

808
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,760
Speaker 3: then he's been you know, banged up so much. He's

809
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 3: missed a lot of time at this level. So I

810
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 3: just thought getting him as much work as possible, and

811
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Speaker 3: the preseason made sense. They didn't do that, so bad

812
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 3: vibes there. Maybe he ends up with another team and

813
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,760
Speaker 3: becomes like a project, maybe like a Trey Lance situation

814
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 3: where who knows, he'll be somewhere else next year and

815
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 3: look better. But as of now, there's no denying his

816
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 3: stock is down. Same thing with Russell Wilson, who really

817
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 3: hasn't done anything wrong at this point. But given the

818
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,280
Speaker 3: fact that Jackson Dart has looked so good, I think

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Speaker 3: I'm projecting Wilson to be, you know, benched sooner than later.

820
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Speaker 3: For Dart, I think it's gonna be really tough for

821
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Speaker 3: Wilson to hang on to this job. I think you've

822
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 3: been alluding to that all off season at this point.

823
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Speaker 3: So just given how good Dark luck in preseason, Russell

824
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 3: Wilson's stock is down as a result.

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Speaker 1: Oh Man, breaking news.

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Speaker 5: I know, spot down, But your guy Tory, Yeah, your

827
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 5: guy Tory Horton just went up because the Seahawks released

828
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 5: and I think it was his main competition at least

829
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Speaker 5: early in the year here for for a role. Yeah,

830
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 5: Marcuez Valdez Scantling so uh and and also uh stop

831
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 5: down at quarterback Tyra Shucks, Saint sannlets Spencer Rattler as

832
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Speaker 5: the Week one starter.

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Speaker 1: But I almost for some of.

834
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 5: These guys, it almost feels like for a guy, like

835
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 5: even for Daniel Jones, it almost feels like this just

836
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 5: makes it so they're the bomb sooner.

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Speaker 1: Like I just feel like, yeah, he like.

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00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 5: Once they bomb, It's like like Daniel Jones once he

839
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 5: bombed last year, he was just off the team for

840
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:27,720
Speaker 5: the Giants.

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00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: So yeah, I want to know.

842
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 3: If Daniel Jones bombs, is there a chance they just

843
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 3: go with Ray Leonard At this point, I.

844
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Speaker 1: Think they might. I was thinking about that too. It

845
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 1: depends what happens.

846
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 5: Because I did notice too that they held Richardson out,

847
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 5: which means they either are We're gonna trade him or

848
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 5: this is still just what I thought it was gonna be,

849
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:49,879
Speaker 5: which is like there's still they're still trying to play

850
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:51,959
Speaker 5: the long game. And because they are talking about his work,

851
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 5: ethic and consistency, like all these.

852
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,439
Speaker 1: Things that he could in theory improve upon, like he didn't.

853
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 5: It's not like he was like Daniel Jones ran circles

854
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 5: around him, as you know in their brief preseason snaps.

855
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 5: So uh yeah, I'm until he's off the roster. I

856
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 5: would I would assume that he's probably gonna make starts too.

857
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 5: But Rattler, I mean, he's interesting. I thought Shuck actually

858
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 5: looked pretty good on the ground. He had two runs

859
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 5: for twenty yards. Got a little frisky on the ground there.

860
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 5: But nevertheless his stock is is down because Rattler is

861
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 5: the starters though. I just thought I mentioned that. But

862
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 5: getting back to uh, Russ, we were we were talking.

863
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, yeah, just I mean again Russ, like you said,

864
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:39,280
Speaker 3: he looked all right in preseason, but just how well

865
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Speaker 3: Dart looked.

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Speaker 4: I don't think is long for this world.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's James Winston.

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Speaker 5: I mean, he's probably not getting any snaps or he's

869
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 5: getting traded or something.

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Speaker 1: He just quit board guys.

871
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,800
Speaker 3: To say, Yeah, well they released the veto, right, so

872
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 3: Jamison is there for now. But yeah, that was a

873
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,240
Speaker 3: fun duo wentz in Dart and de Vito.

874
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 4: That was fine.

875
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 3: I wish they'd just cut Wilson and just I don't know,

876
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 3: start Winston at least just give us some like memeable games.

877
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 3: But yeah, well the de Vito era is over, unfortunately.

878
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if.

879
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,399
Speaker 5: He'll get actually get claimed though He's had some pretty bad,

880
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:23,399
Speaker 5: pretty bad regular season snaps as well, so he might

881
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 5: end up on a practice.

882
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,879
Speaker 1: Squad, we'll see. But a couple other.

883
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 5: Guys a quarterback, I think Baker Mayfield trend it down

884
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 5: just because, you know, first it was the news of

885
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 5: Godwin Dan, it was the news of McMillan, you know,

886
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 5: and of course you always had Lean Cohen leaving, which

887
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 5: couldn't have an effect that you know, to what degree,

888
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,320
Speaker 5: we don't know. So I just think overall, may Mayfield

889
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 5: was already kind of in a weird spot in drafts

890
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 5: where you know, he's not a rushing quarterback, but he's

891
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 5: not for homes or burrow, and then there's he's not

892
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 5: and then there's more running quarterbacks to go after him,

893
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,320
Speaker 5: so kind of you know, I mean, he could single

894
00:43:58,320 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 5: handed would be the Pros and Pond tier of course

895
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 5: this year. So yeah, I think his stock is on

896
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 5: the cline, and then should or Sanders. I don't know

897
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 5: if it should have ever been high, but of course,

898
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 5: you know, he got to play, got to play some

899
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 5: snaps in the first preseason game against what was the

900
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 5: third stringers, and he was good and then came back

901
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 5: and did it again, and people were talking about he

902
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 5: got sabotaged because the Browns cut four of the five

903
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 5: alignemen that were blocking firm on one of.

904
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: Those bad sacks.

905
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 5: I mean they should have also cut the quarterback that like,

906
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 5: these guys get cut the guys that are playing in

907
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 5: the third preseason game at the point, should was tend

908
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 5: to get cut. But I thought it was kind of

909
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 5: cruel how they just didn't what should Or finished the

910
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 5: two minute drill just to get get it get some

911
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 5: better stats. I mean he finished with what negative twenty

912
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 5: seven net passing yards on eleven dropbacks. So, but now

913
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:57,879
Speaker 5: about how I thought should Or would play this year,

914
00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 5: given give how much he slipped in drafts.

915
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:01,280
Speaker 1: But we'll see.

916
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 5: I don't think Gabriel's anything special on with you on that,

917
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 5: and I don't think Flacco.

918
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: I don't know if he can last the season.

919
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,320
Speaker 5: So we could still be seeing sand Or Sanders starts

920
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 5: with tickets and traded to the Raiders for your boy

921
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 5: aoc he's out for a half the year.

922
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 4: Two Or went out for him too.

923
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 1: Speaking of your boys, I think, man, what's going on?

924
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 3: Well, Yeah, Grendo Stock definitely took a hit, you know,

925
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 3: I thought he was the clear handcuff to Christian McCaffrey,

926
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 3: which is always valuable because not only does you know

927
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 3: McCaffrey tend to miss huge chunks of time occasionally, but

928
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 3: this is a system, a scheme where Kyle Shingahan usually

929
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 3: just goes to the next man up. We saw that

930
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 3: with Jordan Mason last year. But you know the fact

931
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 3: that they traded to get Brian Robinson Jr. I think

932
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 3: he's probably gonna be the number two back now. Anything

933
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,320
Speaker 3: can still happen. Plus, you know, you could have McCaffrey

934
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 3: and Brian Robinson Jr. Get hurt, missed time, and I

935
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 3: think it'd still be Grendo would step up. But you know,

936
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 3: he's not really a bench dash anymore in my view.

937
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 3: Once once you have that added back, that makes things murky.

938
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 3: You know, I'm gonna cut bait in leagues where I can.

939
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 3: So Grando's stock took a huge hit. Jalen right Stock

940
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 3: also took a huge hit. You know I had him

941
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 3: as you know, the backup or the handcuff to Devon

942
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 3: ah Chan, very talented back. I think they took him

943
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 3: in the third round last year. But just he hasn't

944
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 3: done much whenever give him a chance, and I think

945
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 3: Ali Gordon has looked much much better and Rights you know,

946
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 3: he's now expected to miss week one, so I think

947
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,760
Speaker 3: he lost the backup job and he's not even healthy.

948
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 3: So Jalen Wright's a guy I've removed off my running

949
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 3: back upside chart. I think Oli Gordon's now the Dolphins

950
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 3: back up to take who has some upside. So you know,

951
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:55,760
Speaker 3: Jalen right Stock has taken a tumble these last few weeks.

952
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean he's writing was on the wall. He

953
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:02,399
Speaker 5: had a pretty pretty bad rookie season. And when you're

954
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:06,760
Speaker 5: a guy with really like one like talent, which is speed,

955
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 5: that should show up and it just didn't at all

956
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 5: last year.

957
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 1: So he probably said the writing was on the wall.

958
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 5: But I think Robinson Stock, Brian Robinson Junior stock, I

959
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 5: mean his stock fell as well just because he was

960
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 5: going inside the top thirty and there was a lot

961
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 5: of question marks around some of the other backs in

962
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 5: that range. I mean, a lot of rookies, a lot

963
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 5: of uncertain workloads for guys. So I thought Robinson Junior,

964
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 5: if he was gonna reprise.

965
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:37,720
Speaker 1: The early last year, it was one of the safer picks.

966
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 5: And now he is gonna be you know, Shanahan did

967
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:42,439
Speaker 5: come out eventually and say he's gonna be our number

968
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,240
Speaker 5: two back. For a while, I thought some beat writers

969
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 5: speculated that Grendo could still be the number two, but

970
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 5: Shanahan did clear that up. So it looks like he's

971
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 5: gonna get to go there. But still that's more of

972
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 5: a somewhere in the rby, you know, same range as

973
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:59,720
Speaker 5: Grendo was around somewhere between RB forty and fifty ish

974
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 5: for Robinson Jr. Still more upside than maybe most backups

975
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 5: because McCaffrey could miss some time. But also Robinson Junior

976
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 5: is not even as good as Garrendo in the passing game.

977
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 5: And that's I think why I know that's one of

978
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 5: the reasons why Cliff Kingsbury and the commanders felt okay

979
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 5: with letting him go. Is they you know, they feel

980
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 5: that they want guys who you know, can play out

981
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 5: of the shotgun, can play you know, it can be

982
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:29,479
Speaker 5: a bigger factor in the passing game. So Robinson Junior

983
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 5: stock took a major hit. And then I'm curious to

984
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 5: this guy because I thought he looked good. This next guy,

985
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 5: I thought he looked good, But I didn't like I

986
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 5: didn't like his like how he was rotating in and

987
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 5: that's rookie Caleb Johnson for the Steelers.

988
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: He was expected to just take over the Nazio.

989
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 5: I think you and I thought that was kind of

990
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 5: a done deal. And then Kenni's game well just popped up.

991
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 5: Is just he was playing third downs, he was playing

992
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 5: early downs. He's playing before Johnson, and then Jalen Warrens

993
00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:59,360
Speaker 5: was rested with the starters, and then he started, but

994
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 5: then he fumbled. I thought Johnson looked better than all

995
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 5: of them, but at times, but I also thought game

996
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 5: Will looked pretty good. So what do you think is

997
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:11,839
Speaker 5: gonna happen with his backfield? Is it Warren that's gonna

998
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 5: kind of play himself out of a role, or should

999
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 5: we change nothing? Or is do we have to kind

1000
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 5: of bump up gain Well and bump down Johnson or

1001
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 5: Warren are both?

1002
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's who the hell knows. I kind of said this,

1003
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 3: I think last week, but game Will is going to

1004
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 3: be kind of a thorn in the side of both

1005
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 3: Warren and Caleb Johnson. And you know, Caleb Johnson's sort

1006
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 3: of pigeonholed into that early down roll so we kind

1007
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 3: of need him to be the full nauseye back here,

1008
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 3: and so any uncertainty heading into week one doesn't make

1009
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 3: me feel great. I think it does seem like Jalen

1010
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 3: Warren will start this season as a lead back, but

1011
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 3: I agree. I think Caleb looked good. I think he

1012
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:52,359
Speaker 3: you know, he has a ton of upside. I don't

1013
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 3: love that his ADP is still inside the top thirty.

1014
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 3: I wish this sourness happened a few weeks ago and

1015
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 3: his ADP fell outs at the top thirty. I think

1016
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 3: it all depends on where you get him, because when

1017
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 3: you're taking him inside the top thirty, you kind of

1018
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 3: need him to be relevant sooner than later. So this

1019
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 3: this definitely worries me. But I think by you know,

1020
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 3: the second half of the season, it would not shock

1021
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 3: me if Caleb is the lead back in more of

1022
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 3: the nausey role, maybe more upside because he is talented.

1023
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:25,840
Speaker 3: So I think if you have him, I wouldn't panic

1024
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 3: quite yet, but certainly early in the season, I don't

1025
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 3: know if you could trust him, but I wouldn't overreact

1026
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 3: too much of the first few weeks. I think it's

1027
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 3: going to sort itself out and the cream will eventually

1028
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 3: rise at the top. But this is why I've been saying,

1029
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 3: like I was pissed that, you know, how sharp the

1030
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 3: market was by having him so high, because this is

1031
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 3: a good situation for him. I just might take a

1032
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 3: few games for him to really prove himself.

1033
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, I wonder if maybe a guy like Warren could

1034
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 5: be a trade canned. I know they did use three

1035
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 5: backs at times because Cordiello Patterson last year, and we've

1036
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 5: seen our Smith do this. Remember that year he had

1037
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 5: Caleb Huntley in addition to it was like Patterson, I think,

1038
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 5: and Algier and then Caleb hunt We was like another

1039
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 5: early downback who would get like eight nine ten carries

1040
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 5: no zero catches. But it was like I was like, oh, no,

1041
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 5: is this gonna devolve into that kind of situation that

1042
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 5: would just be not ideal for anybody.

1043
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 1: Yep, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1044
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was it.

1045
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 3: It looks like Patterson went down, so Caleb stepped up.

1046
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, Arthur Smith is known for having

1047
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 3: murky situations where he always hesitated buying the most expensive

1048
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 3: back in that room, right.

1049
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, But it's now it's just like there's like essentially

1050
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:46,439
Speaker 5: two Stalewodbacks going inside the top thirty or top thirty five.

1051
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 5: So it's like it's even more dicey because Gaye looked

1052
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 5: pretty good and they signed him, so like the fact

1053
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 5: that they signed him and are ropeating him in like

1054
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:59,399
Speaker 5: pretty frequently, it's kind of worrisome. But uh yeah, it's

1055
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 5: been kind of a I haven't really seen any any

1056
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 5: Steeler beat right take a.

1057
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: Major stand either way on this.

1058
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:08,839
Speaker 5: I think everyone's kind of just kind of figure out

1059
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 5: exactly what they're gonna do. So yeah, not an ideal situation,

1060
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 5: but I try to kind of avoid it if I can,

1061
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:19,840
Speaker 5: just because I mean, it's still the Steelers. I don't

1062
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 5: I don't trust him offensively that much, like they're gonna

1063
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 5: rely on the defense.

1064
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 1: Push comes to show Cam Scattabo.

1065
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 5: I thought him, I thought he's his stock felt a

1066
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 5: little bit just because he missed so much time. I know,

1067
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 5: he came back in that third preseason game, which you know,

1068
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:36,720
Speaker 5: good news for him overall, but now he might start

1069
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 5: the year, you know, third on the depth chart, and

1070
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 5: I think Tracy has played well and kind of distanced

1071
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 5: himself too, and Singletary just going to kind of be

1072
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 5: an annoying kind of like the game. Well, it's just

1073
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 5: an annoying veteran in between that's gonna take time for Scattabul.

1074
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:52,359
Speaker 1: To kind of work his way up to depth chart.

1075
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 5: So I thought, you know, there's I think there's better

1076
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 5: high upside bets that go where he goes, like just

1077
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 5: inside the top forty or just how floor guys. So

1078
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 5: he's kind of in a no man's land for me,

1079
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 5: uh draft wise, where he's not like a straight up

1080
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 5: do not draft kind of guy.

1081
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 1: But I do think he's a little overvalued.

1082
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 5: I don't know what I would do with him earlier

1083
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 5: in the year because I think he's gonna start as

1084
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 5: that number three back, uh wide receiver who's fallen for

1085
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:20,720
Speaker 5: you in the preseason at wide receiver Sean Craoner.

1086
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, so the less exciting one to start would be

1087
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:26,280
Speaker 3: Michael Wilson. He's always more of a you know, sleeper

1088
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:30,360
Speaker 3: pick in deeper leagues daily fantasy, but it sounds like

1089
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 3: he's been leapfrogged by Zay Jones and you know Greg

1090
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 3: dorts will obviously you know, command some slot snaps. So, uh,

1091
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 3: this is something I noticed when I was doing my

1092
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:45,839
Speaker 3: Week one projections, is Michael Wilson's stock has been kind

1093
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 3: of going down the past couple of weeks, but DJ

1094
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 3: moore his stock, I think is also trending down. He's

1095
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 3: a guy that I know, you and I He's been

1096
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 3: kind of tricky to project. I think he does have

1097
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:00,800
Speaker 3: a wide range of outcomes. But you know, he played

1098
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 3: twenty seven of the twenty eight snaps with Caleb under

1099
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 3: center this week and only caught one pass for fourteen

1100
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 3: yards and it was on a plate. It was like

1101
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 3: a third and a mile, which is not great. And

1102
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 3: it was the Ramadonsay show, you know, who went off

1103
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 3: for five catches forty five yards in a touchdown. That's

1104
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 3: kind of been the drum beat all camp. I've always

1105
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 3: thought Dunesay and Loveland were probably the best ways to

1106
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 3: invest in the Bears offense, or at least the passing attack.

1107
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 4: This year.

1108
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:35,359
Speaker 3: You know, More could push wide receiver one value if

1109
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:38,360
Speaker 3: he does get like the aman Ra role. But I

1110
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 3: don't think it's you know, apples and apples like people

1111
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 3: think it is when it comes to this, I think

1112
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 3: it's going to be more spread out and that's going

1113
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 3: to hurt the guy that's being drafted the highest, which

1114
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 3: is Dj Moore, plus I'm you know, seeing that he's

1115
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 3: getting more and more work in the backfield. I can

1116
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:54,319
Speaker 3: go either way on that.

1117
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:55,359
Speaker 4: You know, if they have.

1118
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 3: Deebo Samuel like plans for him, that would be good.

1119
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 3: But it's a kind of a concern that Ben Johnson's

1120
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:04,359
Speaker 3: still trying to figure out ways to use him and

1121
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:07,359
Speaker 3: a doomsday could be you know, the top receiver in

1122
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 3: this version of the offense.

1123
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 4: So DJ Moore is.

1124
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 3: A guy that in my model, I've been kind of

1125
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 3: trending down a bit just based on these past couple

1126
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 3: of weeks.

1127
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:19,839
Speaker 5: What about Kleb because I feel like all this, all

1128
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 5: these officers and developments kind of reflect poorly on Cabb

1129
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 5: as well, because like, if let's say Roma Dunsay is

1130
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 5: his number one receiver, that's probably just gonna make him

1131
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 5: less efficient because Roma like we more. You know, there

1132
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:37,760
Speaker 5: are ways to kind of scheme him high percentage looks

1133
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 5: where I feel like a donsday, if he's kind of

1134
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 5: that alpha, it's going to be more stuff where Caleb

1135
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 5: starts having those weird throws that land like six feet

1136
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 5: from the receiver at times. So do you think are

1137
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 5: you still are you still as high on Caleb as

1138
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 5: you were at the at the starter camp or have

1139
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 5: you kind of knocked him down a little bit too.

1140
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 3: No, I'm about the same, and you're right this this

1141
00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 3: all does hinge on Caleb Williams. Let's let's be real

1142
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 3: about that. And you know, I think Dunes are being

1143
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 3: his top target. I would not have a problem with

1144
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:09,359
Speaker 3: that at all. They weren't on the same page last year,

1145
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 3: but again they were feet inches of greatness and you know,

1146
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 3: if they they can clean that up, specifically with the Dunes,

1147
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 3: I think that's going to help unlock Caleb and vice versa.

1148
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 4: So we'll see.

1149
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 3: It's always tricky to kind of read too much into

1150
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 3: camp and things like that, especially when you have a

1151
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 3: quarterback like Caleb learning a new offense. It might even

1152
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:35,319
Speaker 3: take a couple of weeks for to really click, so

1153
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:38,280
Speaker 3: who knows, But I think overall, the upside is still

1154
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:41,319
Speaker 3: there for Caleb to be a top ten quarterback with

1155
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 3: his rushing up side. And if things do click with

1156
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 3: everybody and Romo dunesay does have a your two breakout,

1157
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 3: I think that's all still very possible.

1158
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just I feel.

1159
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 5: Like the vibes are like shifting before our eyes in Chicago,

1160
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 5: like Ben Johnson getting anger and anger Caleb Willya like

1161
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 5: still the same table Williams and now.

1162
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 1: Now they're still now they're like we don't you know.

1163
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 5: Everyone's like all right, they're gonna have now that they

1164
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 5: fix their interior, they're gonna have a top five line,

1165
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:10,839
Speaker 5: and Ben Johnson's like, we.

1166
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 1: Don't have a left tackle.

1167
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 4: So I.

1168
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 5: Remember saying, like last year, uh, I always just had

1169
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 5: this thought because I'm I think Ben Johnson, I'm you know,

1170
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 5: I'm I'm bullish on him. But there is like this flow,

1171
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 5: this downside of where there are times where he got

1172
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:29,439
Speaker 5: he tried to get way too cute as a play

1173
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 5: card for the Lions, So like there is this outcome

1174
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:34,439
Speaker 5: where I can see him just failing miserably, especially given

1175
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 5: that Cable Williams has that kind of same floor where

1176
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 5: like he should just be really great, but like if

1177
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 5: it's bad, it's gonna be bad. So I'm kind of

1178
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 5: the bear's got my attention now, like I kind of

1179
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 5: treading lightly a little bit more.

1180
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 1: I like love one still, but yeah.

1181
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I think that's a good way to put it,

1182
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 3: that this is a situation where there's a wide ranger outcomes.

1183
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 3: That's why I do like Caleb and Romadoon, say, because

1184
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 3: they're going at a part in the draft where if

1185
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 3: you go look at a lot of your drafts last year,

1186
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 3: a lot of guys in that range, you know, you

1187
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 3: end up dropping mid season anyway, that's kind of the

1188
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 3: point you get aggressive, you draft a guy like Bill

1189
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 3: right now around you know, RB thirty five. You have

1190
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 3: to take those swings because you're right, this could fail spectacularly.

1191
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 3: That's that's the floor, but there is a ceiling where

1192
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 3: it all clicks. You know, maybe it ends up somewhere

1193
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 3: in the middle. But I think with Caleb and Ben Johnson,

1194
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 3: it could be you know, spectacularly awesome or awful. But

1195
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 3: that's kind of That's kind of why I like the

1196
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 3: situation is I'm just betting on the moon bag case

1197
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 3: the awesome end of the spectrum here and again, it

1198
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 3: might it might take a couple of weeks for at

1199
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 3: actually click, so I'll have some patience, but the potential

1200
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 3: for this to be good is still there in my opinion.

1201
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 5: No, Yeah, I just thought it just in terms of stock.

1202
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 5: I just thought it was funny. Ben Johnson was just

1203
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 5: super angry.

1204
00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think he's just gonna be like that.

1205
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 3: I think Bears fans are always gonna be pessimistic, so

1206
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 3: it's always hard to read into anything coming out of

1207
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 3: camp or people's opinions. We just got to see week

1208
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 3: one and it's gonna be Caleb versus J. J. McCarthy.

1209
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 3: So it's in week one, so that's kind of gonna

1210
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 3: be the overreaction Bowl, I think heading into Week two.

1211
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 3: Whatever happens in that game, whichever quarterback loses, I think,

1212
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 3: you know, people are gonna be too harsh on my opinion.

1213
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 1: Oh that might be an interesting underspot. Yeah, I mean

1214
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 1: the state of the offense is there.

1215
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 5: But yeah, for me, one guy's phone is Chris Godwin,

1216
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 5: you know. I mean that's just we talked about him already.

1217
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 5: But when you really look into his injury, it.

1218
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 1: Wasn't just a.

1219
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 5: The dislocated ankle, like he tors like his shoulder up

1220
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 5: and I mean there were all these like side injuries.

1221
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 5: There are like four different injuries on that one play,

1222
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 5: and then his ankle required a second surgery later into

1223
00:59:59,880 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 5: the into the offseason. So at this point, like this

1224
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 5: is an injury where it almost sounds like the team,

1225
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 5: you know, there was this article in The Athletic that

1226
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 5: was really good and kind of talked about, you know how,

1227
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 5: what he was going through and throughout the rehab process

1228
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 5: or whatnot.

1229
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 1: But it was a very kind of it almost struck

1230
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 1: like a.

1231
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 5: Concilliratory tone where it just at one point it says

1232
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:26,240
Speaker 5: like these things probably aren't going to be the same,

1233
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 5: and it just sounds like, I don't know if there's

1234
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:30,600
Speaker 5: the expectation that he's actually gonna get back to what

1235
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 5: he was last year. And remember he was a wide

1236
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 5: receiver two overall and it's seven games before going down,

1237
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 5: but that was in the wim Cone offense, and year

1238
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 5: before that he was the he was healthy, but finished

1239
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 5: outside the top thirty six in points per game. So

1240
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 5: I think it's much more likely to get somebody that

1241
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 5: resembles that. And then now you're talking about an unknown

1242
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 5: return date.

1243
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 1: So yeah, he's like he's off, he's off. I'm off.

1244
01:00:57,880 --> 01:00:59,439
Speaker 5: I know he's going to be tempting the people giving

1245
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 5: the per game average last year, but got a draft

1246
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 5: based on turing twenty five not twenty four. It's just

1247
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 5: I mean, disokay to ankle for actual fibula torn del

1248
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:12,480
Speaker 5: toy and high ankle spring on that on that one.

1249
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he turned out more money to go to

1250
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 3: the Patriots. You have to wonder if he knew he

1251
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 3: wouldn't pass the physical or something like that. So he's

1252
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 3: probably known. Obviously he knows how severe his injury is.

1253
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 3: And then we all thought it was kind of weird

1254
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 3: that the Bucks drafted and Buka in the first round.

1255
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 3: So the tea leaves have been there, and yeah, I

1256
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:34,600
Speaker 3: would not be how many games are you projecting him for?

1257
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 3: Like I have him missing over half the season now, Oh,

1258
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 3: I don't even think.

1259
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 1: I'm that aggressive, but that's I think I still have him.

1260
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:42,320
Speaker 1: I think I still have him.

1261
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 5: Like a nine to ten game, like you know, a

1262
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 5: little a little more than half. But you know, there's

1263
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:51,400
Speaker 5: also the possibility now because Imbuka is known for you know,

1264
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 5: great as a receiver and he obviously has the receiving

1265
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 5: talent to go number in the first round, but great rumblockers,

1266
01:01:57,120 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 5: so there's also a chance. And this is why I

1267
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 5: think he stashes never work out the way people want

1268
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:04,680
Speaker 5: them to, is because if a Buka is a great

1269
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 5: run blocker, that they could just make godwin like the

1270
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:10,640
Speaker 5: you know, number three receivers, he might not come back

1271
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 5: to the number two role, and they could use a

1272
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 5: BUKA as a way to kind of save Godwin you know,

1273
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 5: some snaps on early downs and some you know, some

1274
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 5: rum blocking snaps even though he's good at it too.

1275
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 5: So uh, like there's a chance Godwin doesn't even get

1276
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:27,760
Speaker 5: his role back from last year either. So yeah, there's

1277
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:30,440
Speaker 5: there's just a lot of red flags, even with McMillan

1278
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:35,200
Speaker 5: also missing. I think it's uh, it's just there there

1279
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 5: are just other guys in that range. Like even if

1280
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:39,600
Speaker 5: you're not, you could draft a receiver that's gonna give you,

1281
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 5: you know, year long upside and just have the flexibility

1282
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 5: to kind of you know move, you know, use that

1283
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:44,960
Speaker 5: roster spot.

1284
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 1: You know, depends on your ir formats too.

1285
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:51,440
Speaker 5: But also there are if you just draft a receiver

1286
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 5: at a different spot, you can still get like a

1287
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 5: top twelve quarterback or tight end like potent, like you know,

1288
01:02:57,160 --> 01:03:00,240
Speaker 5: a really valuable kind of onesie position guy and in

1289
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:03,280
Speaker 5: what in those kind of leagues there, So that's another reason,

1290
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:05,480
Speaker 5: Like that's like kind of hidden opportunity cost.

1291
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:07,920
Speaker 1: It's like you could have just drafted around.

1292
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:09,400
Speaker 5: Receiver that you don't have to worry about when he's

1293
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 5: going to come back and how well he's going to

1294
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 5: do and then just go later on quarterback or tight end.

1295
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 1: That's kind of this is kind of the draft in

1296
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:17,560
Speaker 1: a year to do that.

1297
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Speaker 5: So I'm really not liking these like wide receiver stashes,

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Speaker 5: Like God, would I you Watson whoever?

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Speaker 3: This year?

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Speaker 5: All right, tight end, let's close it out. Who's falling

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Speaker 5: at the tight end position?

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Speaker 3: Uh, there wasn't too much to pick from, so I'm

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Speaker 3: just gonna pick on Mike is Siki here. His ADP

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01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:38,479
Speaker 3: has dropped like a full round the past couple weeks.

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Speaker 3: I think, you know, bringing in Noah Fant certainly didn't

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01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:46,040
Speaker 3: help him. You know, doesn't move the needle too too

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01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 3: much at this point, but it does make it more

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01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 3: credit there. And you know, the Bengals always keep you know,

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Speaker 3: five to six tight ends. We'll see you flooded the

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01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 3: idea that my boy Greg Dulcic ends up there. So

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Speaker 3: we'll see if this group up.

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Speaker 1: Not an active roster, but yeah, the practice well.

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Speaker 3: Someone yeah, just existing have whites to him. They just

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01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 3: love having a ton of tight ends. So it just

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01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:14,200
Speaker 3: limits Kasiki's ceiling, especially you know right now, Jamar Chase

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01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 3: and t Higgins are healthy. Joseavash you know, could be

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01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:20,120
Speaker 3: even better this year. So Kaziki is the guy that

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01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:24,000
Speaker 3: he had a solid twenty twenty four but just heading

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01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:26,480
Speaker 3: into the season not getting great vibes with him.

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Speaker 4: So I've been kind of lowering him at TAD these

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01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:29,600
Speaker 4: past couple of weeks.

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01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:31,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did.

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01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:34,280
Speaker 5: I did like a deep dive on that whole situation

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01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:36,400
Speaker 5: a week ago because I just like, oh my god,

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01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 5: all these like you said, five six tight ends. So

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01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:41,960
Speaker 5: it's like Sample was pretty much locked into his same

1327
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 5: role he was in last year. He's going to be

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01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:48,880
Speaker 5: the blocking tight end, and then now it's essentially like

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01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:51,240
Speaker 5: Fan is going to be the guy that was playing

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01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:53,760
Speaker 5: the Eric All role. Like that's why they essentially got him.

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01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:57,200
Speaker 5: That allows Kasiki. What they're trying to do is avoid

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01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:00,880
Speaker 5: Gasiki being a tell and Huts would be the backup

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01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:04,840
Speaker 5: to him being a tell. So yeah, basically Gaziki his

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01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:07,320
Speaker 5: routes would decrease a little bit because if you look

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01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:09,960
Speaker 5: at the first half of the season, Uh, if you

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01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 5: look out before all went down, Kasiki was like around

1337
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 5: forty five to fifty percent and then he bumped up

1338
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:16,800
Speaker 5: to like fifty five sixty sixty five.

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01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:19,439
Speaker 1: So yeah, he did, he does. He should be getting

1340
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:22,400
Speaker 1: bumped down with the yea kind of taking over that role.

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01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:24,640
Speaker 3: I would think Tanner Hudson would be the biggest tell

1342
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:27,440
Speaker 3: of them all. If Tanner Hudson's and it's a pass

1343
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:30,280
Speaker 3: play and it's going to Tanner Hudson, Yeah right.

1344
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:32,400
Speaker 5: I mean Kiki is the same thing, and Saint it's

1345
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:36,160
Speaker 5: not always going to get sicky exactly that Doc is

1346
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:36,480
Speaker 5: the same.

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01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:37,040
Speaker 1: That's why.

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01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:39,360
Speaker 5: That's why even though he balls out in the preseason,

1349
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:42,680
Speaker 5: it's like he's essentially just a big, slow slot receiver

1350
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 5: that tips your hand instead of a fast tight end.

1351
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:51,439
Speaker 5: But Evan Ingram, for me and his to be clear,

1352
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:53,680
Speaker 5: his ADP hasn't budged. I mean he caught a fifty

1353
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:58,720
Speaker 5: yard pass. Hasn't done since twenty twenty. Uh yeah, yeah,

1354
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:00,400
Speaker 5: tit and Fantasy pros real time.

1355
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:05,160
Speaker 1: So but I don't think he should be.

1356
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:08,160
Speaker 5: For one, he played less than fifty percent of the

1357
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 5: snatch of the first team offense. Uh and there's a

1358
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 5: pretty large sample too of snaps for especially for a

1359
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:18,840
Speaker 5: preseason first team offense. And then he ran a route

1360
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:21,000
Speaker 5: about fifty three percent of the time with the first

1361
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:24,840
Speaker 5: team offense, and that's I don't think it. I mean,

1362
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:26,480
Speaker 5: I hope it's not that well. I think I have

1363
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:30,400
Speaker 5: it projected around sixty sixty five. But this was kind

1364
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:34,000
Speaker 5: of something I foresaw with just because of how Lebroncos operate.

1365
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:36,720
Speaker 5: They tend to have a separate role for blocking tight

1366
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:39,920
Speaker 5: end receiving tight end. So I think this is bad

1367
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 5: news for Ingram also, I mean, it doesn't help that

1368
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:44,800
Speaker 5: aside from that fifty eight yard catch, he cut no passes,

1369
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:47,080
Speaker 5: that was only catching and he only had two targets

1370
01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:49,960
Speaker 5: on twenty five routes. That probably means nothing, but it

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01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:53,800
Speaker 5: just shows that Denver their offense is upgraded everywhere this year.

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01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:55,760
Speaker 1: So they're like that is the floor.

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01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:58,440
Speaker 5: I think they'll make a much more concerned effort, like

1374
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:00,320
Speaker 5: they're not going to tip their hand on what gonna

1375
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:02,560
Speaker 5: do it Ingram, especially after he broke one off for

1376
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:03,320
Speaker 5: fifty eight yards.

1377
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:06,320
Speaker 1: But I still don't think he's tight end eight material.

1378
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:08,560
Speaker 5: I don't think he'll give you that consistency even if

1379
01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:11,680
Speaker 5: he ends up finishing, you know, as top tighten eight,

1380
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:12,320
Speaker 5: tight end ten.

1381
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:14,000
Speaker 1: I think this consistency will.

1382
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:17,200
Speaker 5: Be that of like a tight end fifteen ish tight

1383
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:21,120
Speaker 5: end twenty so best Ball, you could justify it. But

1384
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:23,840
Speaker 5: I mean I'm also like five spots lower than the

1385
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:26,400
Speaker 5: consensus in Best Ball. So he's just a guy I

1386
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:29,880
Speaker 5: really don't don't draft. But so that's that's one of

1387
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:33,480
Speaker 5: those guys that you know, if you if you kind

1388
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:35,840
Speaker 5: of want to let other people kind of trip themselves up,

1389
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:37,480
Speaker 5: I think just go ahead and let them let him

1390
01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:37,760
Speaker 5: have that.

1391
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:39,439
Speaker 1: That's going to be Evan Ingram.

1392
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:39,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1393
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:42,080
Speaker 3: Well, I mean if you want four catches and forty

1394
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:46,880
Speaker 3: yards and no touchdowns, he is definitely your guy. I

1395
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:50,240
Speaker 3: was joking with you at our event. But how how

1396
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:54,400
Speaker 3: soon into their game do we start seeing Adam Troutman

1397
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 3: trending on.

1398
01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:57,640
Speaker 1: X Oh my goodness.

1399
01:07:57,760 --> 01:07:59,760
Speaker 5: I mean at this point it'll be it'll be like

1400
01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:01,640
Speaker 5: the the third tight end too, and it would be

1401
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:03,880
Speaker 5: like Coutman be like, but why is Lucas.

1402
01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:08,000
Speaker 1: Kroll getting snacked? Yeah? Or Caden Prickshorn or somebody like

1403
01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:09,200
Speaker 1: he was like, yeah, we.

1404
01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:13,280
Speaker 3: Already know Troutman's getting the start. Nate Atkins is out,

1405
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:20,040
Speaker 3: so yeah, Lucas Role, Uh, Caleb Loner, Oh my god,

1406
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:22,880
Speaker 3: I should have drafted him in our rookie draft. Yeah,

1407
01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:25,400
Speaker 3: Lucas Croll will be the guy that really puts people

1408
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:25,920
Speaker 3: over the edge.

1409
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:26,200
Speaker 4: I think.

1410
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:29,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just I mean, it's a good problem to

1411
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:32,800
Speaker 5: have in Denver. But yeah, the consistent titan age is rich.

1412
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:36,160
Speaker 5: I mean, I just don't know if the consistent consistently

1413
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:38,439
Speaker 5: will be there. And he's he's averaged like under nine

1414
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:40,360
Speaker 5: yards to catch his last two years, so like a

1415
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:41,320
Speaker 5: fifty eight yard er.

1416
01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:42,439
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1417
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:48,080
Speaker 3: Something is his main selling point was the high floor. Yeah,

1418
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:50,400
Speaker 3: and that might not I mean he still might have

1419
01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:53,240
Speaker 3: a high floor, but that is kind of in question now.

1420
01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:56,519
Speaker 4: So that's that's kind of why. Yeah, I'm shying way too.

1421
01:08:56,640 --> 01:09:00,879
Speaker 3: And again you're you're spending top ten tight end capital

1422
01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:03,320
Speaker 3: on him, Like what are we doing here? He still

1423
01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:05,759
Speaker 3: might end up as the tight end you know, twelve,

1424
01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:07,200
Speaker 3: but that probably won't win your league.

1425
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:10,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, and yeah, yeah, like I said, there's I mean,

1426
01:09:10,320 --> 01:09:13,360
Speaker 5: there's guys that you could probably get more consistency from,

1427
01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:16,639
Speaker 5: like a Dallas Goddard probably also could put up tighten

1428
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 5: twelve numbers, but much higher floor. And then you got

1429
01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:21,120
Speaker 5: if you want to take a shot, you got guys

1430
01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:24,720
Speaker 5: like h Brenton Strange is gonna be out there as

1431
01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:28,720
Speaker 5: a replacement, you know, yeah, right, who else there's I mean,

1432
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:31,240
Speaker 5: and even probably just like even the guys that just

1433
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:34,160
Speaker 5: are un sexy from last year I got zach Ertz

1434
01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:36,559
Speaker 5: probably just have the same season this year and until

1435
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:38,840
Speaker 5: he gets hurt. Uh, it's gonna be him and John

1436
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:42,040
Speaker 5: Bates again, it's not is probably gonna get no snaps.

1437
01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:43,400
Speaker 1: Seems like, yeah, so.

1438
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:47,800
Speaker 3: The two rookies being drafted after him, you know they

1439
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:50,240
Speaker 3: have right Pro bowlers like Upside.

1440
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:53,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, Tower, Warren love Wind and then you still

1441
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:54,760
Speaker 5: got Kyle Pitts lurking too.

1442
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:59,200
Speaker 1: So yes, the flavor of the tight end sleeper flavor

1443
01:09:59,200 --> 01:09:59,559
Speaker 1: of the month.

1444
01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:03,400
Speaker 5: But yeah, Ingram just per carryers position because he's at

1445
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:04,639
Speaker 5: the ones out of onesie spot.

1446
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:05,920
Speaker 1: I think it's what really does it.

1447
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:08,439
Speaker 5: It's if he's a wide receiver, it's like, okay, well

1448
01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:11,240
Speaker 5: you know, it's one of many. But the fact that

1449
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:13,160
Speaker 5: like if you don't, if you draft him at eight,

1450
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 5: like sometimes there's like a whole round goes by before

1451
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:20,680
Speaker 5: another like Titan nine gets drafted, and he just it

1452
01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:22,679
Speaker 5: could be even even at that point in the draft,

1453
01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:24,760
Speaker 5: it could be uh, it could cost you. So yeah,

1454
01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:28,760
Speaker 5: he's Evan Ingram is a faller, and that is going

1455
01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:32,479
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