1 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:10,880 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Savor Protiction of I Heart Radio. 2 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:12,879 Speaker 1: I'm Annie Reese and I'm more in Vocal Bomb, and 3 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: today we have an episode for you about aluminum foil 4 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:19,599 Speaker 1: and what an endeavor it was. Oh my goodness, I 5 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 1: gave myself too much homework again it was It's heck. 6 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: We had to talk about all kinds of things in 7 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: this one. We really had to. I kept having to 8 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: remind myself this is a food the Food show. Drop it. Yeah. 9 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:39,279 Speaker 1: And also right like, like, even within the realm of 10 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: aluminum foil, there were a lot of offshoots that I 11 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 1: was like, Okay, we're gonna need to stick to basically 12 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: the roles of aluminum foil right for this one, because 13 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: all of the other food grade purposes of aluminum foil 14 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: are too much. It's too much. Yeah. I was already like, Annie, 15 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: I'm about to have to described the bronze age. I can't. 16 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 1: I can't today. How did this happen? It's been a 17 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: long time since I've been like writing an outline and 18 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: then just stopped and thought, wait, what am I talking about? 19 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 1: Because this has nothing to do with food, um, but 20 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 1: I want to talk about it because it's interesting. Yeah, 21 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: was there any particular reason this one was on your mind? Nope, okay, 22 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: coo coo cool? Or if there was, I don't know. 23 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 1: I guess I was like looking through our recent topics 24 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 1: and going like, okay, like maybe maybe some kind of 25 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: implement um. And then I was like, cast iron is 26 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 1: too big, I don't want to talk about. But what 27 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 1: about aluminum foil? That sounds easier. Yeah, there's a very 28 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: weary look on Lauren's face right now. That is That's 29 00:01:56,120 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: how I feel. Mm hmmmm, Well, I mean it was 30 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: certainly it was a difficult one to wrangle, but it 31 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: was there's a lot of interesting things in here. Um, 32 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: And for me, like there's I think this list of 33 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: ideas because like when you suggest something, Laura, and a 34 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: lot of times I'm like, what are my personal thoughts? 35 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: And with this one, it immediately had a bunch of things. 36 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, this is interesting because most of 37 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 1: them are not food really um, but the British pronunciation, 38 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 1: which we're going to talk about a little bit. I 39 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: think um, and then tin foil and then tinfoil hats 40 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: and then tin can being an insult in Star Wars 41 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: because that's where my mind is and I'm always kind 42 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: of like, how do they know about tin cans and 43 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: Star Wars? But okay, and I I reuse aluminum foil 44 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: like nobody's business. And I can get kind of frustrates 45 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: my mom when I go home because I like hide 46 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: it because she'll throw it away, so then I'll bring 47 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: it back out we needed. Um. I don't know if 48 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: that's the best habit, but it is a habit that 49 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:10,679 Speaker 1: I have. Uh. And also, aluminum foil can really really 50 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: cut you. I had a friend like serious injury foil, 51 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 1: so I'm always careful when I am ripping it off 52 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 1: and using it. For sure. The blade on on aluminum 53 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 1: foil and US saran wrap UM plastic wrap containers, I 54 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 1: have injured myself on both of those every time I've 55 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: used to them my entire I don't know why using 56 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: the one put a curse on you in the past life. Yeah, yeah, 57 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: this is It's like sleeping Beauty, except it's just mild 58 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: insomnia and tiny little, tiny little pricks. Yeah that's I mean, 59 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: that's pretty good revenge. I gotta say. Yeah, Well, this 60 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: is one of our longer outline, so I guess we 61 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: should get to our question. I guess we should. Yes. 62 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: Aluminum foil what is it? Well? Uh? Aluminum foil is 63 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: a type of metal aluminum that has been rolled out 64 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:24,359 Speaker 1: into extremely thin sheets that are both flexible and durable UM, 65 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 1: and is popular in food packaging and preservation because it's 66 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 1: non toxic and pretty impermeable. Like it's oilproof and waterproof 67 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: and lightproof and airproof when it's properly sealed. Even when 68 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:41,280 Speaker 1: it's like improperly sealed, it'll keep your leftover pizza okay 69 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: in the fridge for a few days, you know. Um. 70 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: It's also lightweight and inexpensive. UM. It's a heat safe 71 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: to a pretty good range of temperatures. It's it's like, 72 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 1: it's like, how did we even get so lucky? It's 73 00:04:55,960 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: just amazingly practical and useful. Oh, lou with him, how 74 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: did we get so lucky? We will talk extensively about that. 75 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 1: Luck had well a little bit to do with it, 76 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 1: but at an't rate. Um okay. So, Aluminium, the element 77 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 1: is not often found hanging out by itself in nature. 78 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 1: A lot of it is wrapped up in an ore 79 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 1: called box site, which is hydrated aluminum oxide. This white 80 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 1: crystal plus water and iron so to make aluminum foil. 81 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: You generally mine a bed of box site or refine 82 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 1: it with a process called the Bayer process to separate 83 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: out just the aluminum oxide and then smelt that using 84 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 1: the hall Herro process to get relatively pure aluminum U 85 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 1: for foil, like eight percent plus pure. Yeah. Um. Then 86 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: uh that is heat treated or annealed to make it workable. Um. 87 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 1: More about a whole lot of that in the history section. 88 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: I just threw a lot of words at you. We 89 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 1: are going to explain most of them later. Um. Okay. 90 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 1: To make this aluminum that you've then gotten through this 91 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:21,840 Speaker 1: process into foil, you just merely roll the aluminum out 92 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: thinner and thinner until it's foil. Um. This involves a 93 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 1: lot of physics to get, like the temperature and speed 94 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: and pressure and stability of everything, right. Um. And during 95 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: this process, what you what you ultimately wind up with 96 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 1: is going to be, in general, um, a a pair 97 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: of aluminum sheets that are being pressed together between a 98 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: pair of rollers simultaneously, So like roller aluminium aluminum roller sandwich. Okay. Yeah, 99 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: so that each sheet is in contact with a roller 100 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,840 Speaker 1: on one side and with its twin sheet on the 101 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: other side. Yeah. M hm. The side in contact with 102 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: the roller comes out shiny, and the side in contact 103 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: with the other sheet will be matt so that one 104 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 1: side shiny, one side matt. Thing is a natural part 105 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 1: of the foil making process. Okay, I'm gonna have to 106 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: pay more attention next time I get some lunimum foil. 107 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: I don't know that I've ever noticed that, but okay, 108 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: some some types of foil are pressed in a way 109 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: that makes both sides matt or they're textured in one 110 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: way or another, so it's possible that you're using a 111 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: different kind of foil, But generally there's one shiny side 112 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: and one matt side. Um And for the record, the 113 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: shiny side does reflect more heat than the matt side. 114 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: I I don't know about anyone else listening, but whenever 115 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: I wrap something in aluminum foil, if I want to 116 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 1: keep the heat in, I put the shiny side in, 117 00:07:57,640 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: and if I want to cook it low and slow, 118 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 1: I might put the shiny side out. And right, it 119 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: does make a difference, but you'd have to use like 120 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:14,239 Speaker 1: lab equipment to tell that difference. There's no practical difference 121 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: happening in your kitchen. So and I feel like this 122 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 1: is a very short Lawrence kill Joy corner. Um, wrap 123 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,679 Speaker 1: your stuff with foil, with whichever side you'd like facing 124 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: in or out. It doesn't matter. I know, I know, lawlessness, chaos. 125 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 1: This is like I was the least prepared for this 126 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: fact out of this entire My whole life is a lie. 127 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: No anyway, um yeah, and all that said, of course, 128 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:53,959 Speaker 1: a lot of aluminum foil is not sold in rolls. Uh. 129 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 1: It's it's coated with or sealed to plastics or paper 130 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 1: or whatever for use in lids and bubble packs and 131 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 1: pouches and cartons and all kinds of things. Um. But 132 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,439 Speaker 1: right today we're focusing on those sheets that have been 133 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:12,319 Speaker 1: rolled up, perhaps sold the sheets I don't know. Yeah, 134 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 1: food related things, and also some other things because we 135 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 1: couldn't resist, but mostly food related things. Um, but what 136 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:28,199 Speaker 1: about the nutrition. Don't don't eat aluminum foil. I mean 137 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:31,319 Speaker 1: it's in like it might cut up your insides. Don't 138 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: need a lump oil. Yeah, don't don't do that. Yes, 139 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: it's terrible, It wouldn't be the very worst. If you swallowed, 140 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: swallowed a little, they'd probably just pass right through your system. 141 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 1: It's non toxic. Some of the stuff, it's coated with 142 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 1: you might not want in there, don't need aluminum foil? 143 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: There you go? Okay, okay, m all right, Well do 144 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:56,679 Speaker 1: you have a couple of numbers for you. Aluminum is 145 00:09:56,880 --> 00:10:01,679 Speaker 1: the third most common element found in earth crust, yes, 146 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 1: after only oxygen and silicon um. But those two account 147 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: for like a lot of the primary stuff in Earth's 148 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: crust um. Aluminum is only about eight per cent of 149 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: Earth's crushed down to a depth of like ten miles 150 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: or so. However, just about every type of common rock 151 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: contains at least a little bit m hmm okay uh in. 152 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: The European Aluminum Foil Association estimated it was producing over 153 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 1: a million pounds of this product. According to some sources, 154 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: the aluminum market was valued upwards of twenty four billion 155 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 1: dollars in twenty twenty, with an expected compounded annual growth 156 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: rate of six percent. From The Guinness record for the 157 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 1: largest aluminum foil ball is from and it weighed one thousand, 158 00:10:56,559 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 1: six hundred and fifteen pounds. That's about a hundred and 159 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 1: thirty two kilos. Oh does it still exist? Is this 160 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:07,839 Speaker 1: is like one of those things you can go see. Oh, 161 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I don't think so. I most of 162 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 1: the aluminum for it was donated by like a local 163 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: aluminum plant, and I strongly suspect they recycled it. Yeah, 164 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: but but I'm not But but I'm not. Don't quote 165 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 1: me on that one. Darn it, Lauren, I'm gonna quote you. Uh. 166 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 1: I always find these records that are kind of old 167 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:35,839 Speaker 1: or interesting because it's kind of like people wiped their 168 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: hands and said they were I'm not interested in. But 169 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: speaking of recycling, the volume of recycled aluminium has doubled 170 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 1: in the past decade and makes up for about twenty 171 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: eight of recycled material scrap value. And there is a 172 00:11:55,559 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: sign folded reference in here where Cramer and Newman basically 173 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 1: try to make money by going to a state that 174 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 1: offers more for turning in aluminum cans for recycling and 175 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 1: bottles for recycling, using a mother's day mail truck situation. 176 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: Of course, it goes wrong and they make no money, 177 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 1: probably lose them, and I think the mail truck gets damaged. 178 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: But I will say that aluminum foil, there are different 179 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: places that are working on it, but it's a lot 180 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: harder to find a place that will accept aluminum foil 181 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: for recycling than aluminum cans for a number yeah yes, 182 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: uh huh uh and yeah, kind of going off of that. 183 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: At the same time, aluminum production alone accounts for an 184 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: estimated one percent of global emissions. So there is a 185 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 1: lot going on in this conversation of recycling and sustainability 186 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 1: and aluminum oh yeah yeah, um. But but all of 187 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:02,839 Speaker 1: that is dedicated on the fact that that the aluminum 188 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 1: industry is so huge. Um. And that's a relatively recent development, 189 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 1: it is, And we're going to get into that in 190 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 1: the history section. But first we're gonna pasture equip break 191 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: for word from our sponsor, and we're back. Thank you sponsored, Yes, 192 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 1: thank you. So yes. Aluminiums history when it comes to 193 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: human use is a bit mysterious because while it is plentiful, 194 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 1: it hasn't been the easiest thing for us to isolate 195 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: and that was something that didn't really happen until around 196 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: the Industrial Revolution. At the same time, though, an analysis 197 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 1: done on a metal ornament found in the tomb of 198 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 1: a third century Chinese military leader found that it was 199 00:13:52,720 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: eight aluminum, so how it was produced remains a mystery. Uh. 200 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: That was kind of the only like old old timey 201 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 1: example I could find right. But aluminum compounds with other 202 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 1: elements were well known and have been used since ancient times, 203 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: like going back to ancient Egypt and rome Um. A 204 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: substance called in Latin anyway um alment um, now I 205 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: think known to be aluminum oxide, was used in all 206 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: kinds of applications um, from preparing medicine to use in 207 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 1: paints and dye setting, all sorts of stuff. Yes, but 208 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 1: the road to isolating aluminum, while fairly short, has had 209 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: a lot of bumps and twists and turns along the way. 210 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: This was another one that was kind of yeah, a 211 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: lot to wrangle, especially because so much of it was 212 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: outside the scope of a food podcast. Um. But yes, 213 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: people figured out that aluminum oxide contained metal by the 214 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 1: seventeen hundreds, but despite their efforts, they couldn't figure out 215 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: how to extract it right. Meanwhile, tin is an element that, 216 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: although much more rare um it only makes up some 217 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: zero point zero zero one percent of the Earth's crust. Uh. 218 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: Tin is much more easily isolated and had been in 219 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: use in combination with other metals, in creating alloys with 220 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: and in plating other medals for thousands of years. Like 221 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: a little bit of tin plus copper equals bronze, which 222 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: like gave us the bronze age. Uh tin plating of 223 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 1: iron gave us the first non glass food can patent 224 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: in the UK and ten though it was in use 225 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 1: in food implements for a long time before that, right, 226 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: And that was one of the most interesting things in 227 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: researching this one is people get kind of mad when 228 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 1: you call aluminum foil tinfoil. Yeah, yeah, so what about tinfoil? 229 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: Records indicate that it was first and used by the 230 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: late eighteenth century, where it was used for a wide 231 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: range of things. In fact, in eighteen twenty eight, Thomas 232 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 1: Edison used a cylinder that was wrapped in tinfoil for 233 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 1: the phonograph um, and the tinfoil was far superior two 234 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 1: materials previously used for the purpose of recording. It was 235 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 1: able to not rip apart basically during this process. As 236 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 1: early as eight seven, or perhaps even earlier in three 237 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: ten was being used as a filling material in dentistry. Um. 238 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 1: It was very popular in food packaging, especially tin cans. Okay, 239 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: but back back to aluminum right, Okay. In eight a 240 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: British chemist and physicist named Sir Humphrey Davy was experimenting 241 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: with electrolysis and was able to successfully extract elements like boron, potassium, calcium, magnesium, 242 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: and sodium. And he believed that the same thing was 243 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 1: possible for aluminum, but he was never able to quite 244 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:09,639 Speaker 1: figure it out. And here is where the linguistic confusion 245 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:15,159 Speaker 1: of the American English aluminum versus the British English aluminium 246 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: comes in, because, Okay, when Davy was first trying to 247 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:24,239 Speaker 1: isolate this metal, he called it aluminium um, kind of 248 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 1: after the latin um alument. He later shifted to aluminum, 249 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 1: which American English writers picked up, but British English writers 250 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:40,399 Speaker 1: shifted to aluminium because it sounded more and I quote 251 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: classical um, like more in line with like sodium and 252 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:54,400 Speaker 1: potassium aluminum aluminium, Okay, And that is why, that's why 253 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: that I've been tripping up this whole podcast, even though 254 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:01,239 Speaker 1: I've never said aluminium in my life, but I know 255 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:06,439 Speaker 1: about it, so it's still messing. I'm I'm sorry that 256 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 1: you're a British sleeper agent. Annie. I can't I can't 257 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 1: do anything about that. It's true, it's true. You think 258 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 1: that's my word? Oh my gosh, no, oh dear. Meanwhile, 259 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: a discovery of a red rock in southern France in 260 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 1: eighty one changed the aluminum landscape a bit. It was 261 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 1: named Box Site after where it was discovered, and it 262 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 1: was integral in aluminum production in the years to come, 263 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: but it was still the issue of isolating aluminum. This 264 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 1: issue remained unsolved until Hans Christian erst Did used potassium 265 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 1: to heat aluminium chloride in Denmark, though the resulting sample 266 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 1: was still impure was not quite totally pure. In Germis, 267 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: chemist Friedrich al Or perfected the method by swapping out 268 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 1: the potassium with sodium, allowing him to obtain pure aluminum. 269 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: So again, even though aluminium was plantable, pure aluminium was 270 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 1: rare due to these challenges when it came to isolating it. 271 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:15,440 Speaker 1: Because of this, it was viewed as almost a precious 272 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 1: metal and at one time may have been worth more 273 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 1: than gold. Yeah, Like after after Davy like said hey, 274 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 1: this is this metal that's in this stuff, and people 275 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 1: started working with it. It was decades before a process 276 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 1: created even like marble sized chunks of aluminum um. The 277 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: first aluminum bars that were made were put on display 278 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 1: at the Paris Exposition. Yeah, and legend has it that 279 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 1: Napoleon would bestow honor upon guests with aluminum or gold solverware, 280 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 1: and that he also believed it would be a huge 281 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 1: boon in battle when it came to weapons and armor, 282 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 1: and the six pound aluminium cap on the Washington Monument 283 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:02,880 Speaker 1: was similarly seen as extravagant when the project was completed 284 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 1: in eighteen eighty four, and it was this thing that 285 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 1: was widely reported on and for many Americans this was 286 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,880 Speaker 1: the first they'd heard of the material, and it was like, Wow, 287 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: the future, yep, exactly. Another name worth mentioning is that 288 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: of Henri Etienne Saint Clair de Ville, a Napoleon funded 289 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:24,679 Speaker 1: chemist who used electrolysis to extract pure aluminium in the 290 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: mid eighteen hundreds, a process that would transform the commercial 291 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: aluminium industry. His aluminum production increased by about forty five 292 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 1: tons a year from eighteen fifty six to eighteen ninety, 293 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 1: so yeah, he really boosted his production. Aluminium first hit 294 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: the wider commercial market around this time in eighteen fifty six, 295 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: and the public was in awe of how it looked 296 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 1: like silver but was lightweight and moldible. The first book 297 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: we know of on aluminum came out in eighteen fifty eight, 298 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 1: but the process of aluminium production wasn't totally ironed out yet. 299 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: There have been quite a few innovations when it comes 300 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 1: to commercializing aluminum foil. Charles Martin Hall figured out a 301 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: way to make pure balls of aluminium in Ohio in 302 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 1: eighteen eighty six, and that same year Paul Errow figured 303 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 1: out how to do it in France. Both learned about 304 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:25,439 Speaker 1: aluminum through their education, and both sought to find an 305 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 1: inexpensive and efficient way to isolate it and extracted on 306 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 1: a large scale. They both got the idea to use 307 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 1: the aluminium compound cryolite in a solution that was then 308 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 1: given a shot of electricity that resulted in pure aluminum. 309 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 1: Thanks to things like this, the price of aluminum dropped 310 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:45,119 Speaker 1: from twelve dollars a pound in eighteen eighty to twenty 311 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: cents a pound. Yeah. The two men at first arrivals, 312 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: fighting over a patent, but eventually became friends, according to 313 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: some of the things I read. Yeah, and apparently they 314 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 1: died the same year in nineteen fourteen, at the age 315 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 1: of fifty one, both of them. Wow, huh, I know, right, 316 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 1: but yes, so so this process that I mentioned above 317 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:14,120 Speaker 1: is the Hall Errow process. Yeah, yes, yes, yes, yes uh. 318 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 1: And in eighteen eighty eight, Hall got together with a 319 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 1: few others to set up a large aluminum smelter just 320 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:24,439 Speaker 1: outside of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. They called it the Pittsburgh Reduction Factory, 321 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: and one year they went from producing twenty two point 322 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 1: five kg or about fifty pounds a day to two 323 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: or about five thirty pounds a day. In seven they 324 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 1: renamed themselves the Aluminum Company of America. Still exist, still going, 325 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:46,119 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yep. An Austrian chemist named Karl Joseph Bayer 326 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: was able to extract aluminum or aluminum oxide from box 327 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:55,920 Speaker 1: site using an alkaline solution in eight nine. And yes, 328 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 1: this is that Beyer process that I mentioned earlier, and 329 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 1: together with that Hall Arrow process, this made the economical 330 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,919 Speaker 1: extraction of aluminum possible and both are still used to 331 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 1: this day. Right, um and yeah. Every now and then 332 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:18,639 Speaker 1: you get an episode and you're like food though, but wait, 333 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 1: there's other non food things I want to talk about. 334 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: A sculpture created by Alfred Gilbert in Britain in considered 335 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: the first major artwork composed of aluminium. Yeah. A year 336 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:35,920 Speaker 1: sore later, aluminium also became integral in the US railroad industry, 337 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 1: which is food adjacent. Sure. Not long after that it 338 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 1: was being used to make cars. The Wright Brothers used 339 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,400 Speaker 1: it for the crank case of their plane in nineteen 340 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:51,159 Speaker 1: o three. Also in nineteen o three, the first foil 341 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:55,479 Speaker 1: made from aluminium was produced in France. A similar process 342 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 1: hit the United States within the next decade, where this 343 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:02,399 Speaker 1: new foil was used to first as I understand it 344 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 1: create leg bands for identifying racing pigeons. I know. Oh, 345 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 1: it's lightweight, it's bendable, this is it's perfect racing pigeons. 346 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:25,199 Speaker 1: I also racing pigeons. Okay, sure, um, all right. The 347 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,119 Speaker 1: first aluminum foil plant in the world opened in Switzerland 348 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: and nineteen tin. In nineteen eleven, Swiss chocolate company Tobler 349 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 1: became the first to use aluminum foil for chocolate packaging. UM. 350 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:40,719 Speaker 1: It was being made in the United States uh on 351 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 1: a on a more on like a plant level by 352 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,880 Speaker 1: nineteen thirteen, and was soon being used for packaging products 353 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 1: like lifesavers and chewing gum mm hmm. All this while, 354 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:56,919 Speaker 1: though tin was still the material of choice for lots 355 00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: of food packaging. UM, which is why the term tinfoil 356 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:05,439 Speaker 1: persists because it was a foil before aluminum foil, This 357 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,679 Speaker 1: new fangled thing came onto the market, and people are 358 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:12,639 Speaker 1: just like tinfoil, yeah right, um and up until Americans 359 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 1: were using sheets made of actual tin tinfoil, yes, which 360 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: were these industrial sheets of tin that became popular and 361 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 1: packaging in the early nineteen hundreds for things like the 362 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:28,360 Speaker 1: linings of cigarette packs and as packing installation. When compared 363 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:33,160 Speaker 1: to aluminum foil, though, tinfoil was more expensive and less durable. Also, 364 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:39,199 Speaker 1: as you said, Rarer, so when aluminum foil became more available, 365 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 1: it pretty quickly replaced tinfoil. Were rationing of tin also 366 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: helped push Americans away from tin and towards aluminum. But 367 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 1: we used we used a specific date there, like nineteen 368 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:57,639 Speaker 1: twenty six. So what happened to them? Oh, a couple 369 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 1: of things. Um. So. Another innovation in the aluminum industry 370 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: took place when a Swiss inventor came up with a 371 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 1: continuous rolling process for aluminum in nineteen twenty. This completely 372 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: revolutionized the aluminum foil industry, and by nine aluminum had 373 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 1: largely replaced tinfoil and packaging, largely thanks to a company 374 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:24,120 Speaker 1: you'll probably recognize, Okay, Okay, so let's step back a bit. 375 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 1: In nine, Richard R. Reynolds, the creator of Ndolds Wrap. 376 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:34,119 Speaker 1: Yes that, Reynolds, set up the US Foil Company to 377 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: provide candy and tobacco makers these rappers for those items. 378 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 1: As the price of aluminum foil continued to decrease, Reynolds 379 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,400 Speaker 1: used it in more and more of their products. By 380 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 1: nineteen thirty, Reynolds was making thirty million dollars in sales. 381 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,439 Speaker 1: With World War Two on the horizon, the company knew 382 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: demand would increase, so they started mining box site or 383 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 1: yes aluminum or in nineteen forty in Arkansas, and in 384 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 1: ninety one they opened their first aluminum plant in Sheffield, Alabama. 385 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:12,239 Speaker 1: In they launched Reynolds Wrap aluminum foil. Okay, and this 386 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: doesn't quite square with a popular company legend that they 387 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 1: like to tell, because yes, a lot of this early 388 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 1: aluminum foil had not quite been approved for use in cooking. 389 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 1: But the company aligne is that that changed in night 390 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,439 Speaker 1: when a Renolds staff member reached for some aluminum foil 391 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 1: and desperation rum Thanksgiving in order to hold his turkey. 392 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: And it really works, which led the company to push 393 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: for it in American homes I've heard a couple of 394 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 1: different versions of that, but essentially it's kind of like 395 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 1: a staff member and a turkey and aluminum foil. Yeah. Yeah, 396 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: well it's for for sure. Like the industrial non food 397 00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 1: applications for this stuff are about ound all over the place. Um, 398 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: I didn't I should have. I should have done a 399 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 1: savor list. Heck, oh well, I've got a couple for you. Okay, 400 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,359 Speaker 1: all right, I got a couple of things. Although I 401 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 1: will say my mom is a big You put the 402 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 1: tin Oh no, I did it, the aluminum foil on 403 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 1: the last thirty minutes of cooking a turkey or something 404 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: all Thanksgiving, like it's a whole. She's got a system. Yeah, 405 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 1: she's got a system. Everyone does. And I I'm backing 406 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 1: away from that one. Okay, fair enough, fair enough? Uh 407 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 1: and yes, stepping back a bit. And the Empire State 408 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 1: Building in New York City became the first building to 409 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 1: use a substantial amount of aluminum and its design. Yes, 410 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 1: this is a food show. So I kept getting sidetracked 411 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: with these kind of thoughts. So the aluminum can was 412 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 1: invented in the US and nine allegedly first used by 413 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 1: beer maker cores By seven. Both Coca Cola and Pepsi 414 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 1: we're selling their products in aluminum cans. Yeah, and you 415 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 1: can see our episode on canning for more about that. Yes, yes, indeed, 416 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:17,719 Speaker 1: I think on soda as well, right, I think we 417 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 1: did talk about it in soda. Yeah. Yeah, options, options, scholore. 418 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 1: But I suppose this brings us to the tinfoil hat. Yeah. Again, 419 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 1: maybe we should talk about this because it's food show, 420 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 1: but I'm just so interested. Yes, I love it. Yeah. 421 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 1: So this is something that is featured in the X Files, Signs, Futurama, 422 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 1: The Simpsons, and Better Call Saw, among many other pop 423 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 1: culture examples. And if you're unaware, this is uh the 424 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 1: idea that wearing a hat made of tin foil will 425 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 1: keep out any radio signals or the like that the 426 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 1: where believes me involve mind control or perhaps mind reading, 427 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 1: sort of synonymous with conspiracy theorist people looking into this. 428 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 1: I think that the history of this idea goes back 429 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 1: further than a lot of us might imagine to, notably 430 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 1: after aluminum foil was really starting to take off. Yeah, 431 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 1: that one lines up impressively. Well. Um and yeah yeah again. Um. 432 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: The name tinfoil for metal packaging foils persisted long after 433 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 1: tin was out of use today with people who ostensibly 434 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 1: never used actual tin made tinfoil. Right, I was thinking 435 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 1: about that, and you know, there's a lot of reasons 436 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 1: why it's not worth your time, perhaps an emotional effort 437 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 1: to pick apart these types of things. But I was saying, well, 438 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: does aluminum foil not work and tinfoil does? And you're 439 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 1: just using aluminum foil because you don't know what's not 440 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 1: And oh no, okay, uh, there's there's not research on 441 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 1: that that I'm personally aware of. There there is some research. 442 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 1: But first let's let's go into this super interesting nine 443 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 1: uh tinfoil hat generation. Yes, yes, so. Um is the 444 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 1: year that a short story called The Tissue Culture King 445 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 1: was published, and it is written by Julian Huxley, who 446 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 1: is also an evolutionary biologist and eugenicist and related to 447 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:38,239 Speaker 1: other people you've probably heard of Huxley. Yeah, yeah, So. 448 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 1: The story follows a scientist who loses his way in 449 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 1: a jungle and it ends up getting captured by a 450 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 1: local tribe. However, he convinces them he's worth keeping around 451 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 1: with his magical ability to grow tissue samples from their 452 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 1: King still he has kept under house arrest, forced to 453 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 1: use his abilities to serve a corrupt leadership in his 454 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 1: mind restless, he decides to use his quote perverted intellectual 455 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 1: ambitions for mind control. He manages to hypnotize the king 456 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 1: and escapes wearing a quote cap of metal foil that 457 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 1: is immune to telepathic suggestion the second he removes it, 458 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 1: though he is overpowered. Here's a quote from the narrator. 459 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: I begged and implored him to use his reason, to 460 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 1: stick to his decision and to come on. How I 461 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 1: regretted that, in our desire to discard all useless weight, 462 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 1: we had left behind our metal to lepathly prove head coverings. Um. 463 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 1: And it goes on to end with this kind of question, 464 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,960 Speaker 1: asking the reader if they are quote those who labor 465 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 1: because they like power or because they want to find 466 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 1: the truth about how things work. Wow. Yeah, And I 467 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 1: will put a caveat I have not read. I read 468 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 1: many summaries about it. Um, and I think that seems 469 00:32:53,800 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 1: to be the general vibe. Put that out there. Um. Okay. 470 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 1: I will say that this concept may have caught Huxley's 471 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 1: attention and and others attention down the road due to 472 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:14,240 Speaker 1: the actual scientific concept of using metal shielding to to 473 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 1: block electromagnetic waves of various kinds UM. This technology is 474 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 1: often called Faraday shielding, after a guy who proved out 475 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 1: a lot of the ideas around it in the eighteen thirties, 476 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 1: one Michael Faraday. You can see Faraday fields or Faraday 477 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 1: cages at work in like everything from the wire layer 478 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 1: inside your electronics cables to the lining of your microwave 479 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 1: oven to UM to the special rooms that are built 480 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 1: for for m r I machines UM. Very basically how 481 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 1: this works is if you if you put a cage 482 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:55,239 Speaker 1: or a shield of conducive metal around something, UM, a 483 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 1: lot of the electromagnetic waves that hit it will be 484 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 1: distributed across us that metal and thus will not pass 485 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 1: through it, so you can shield whatever sinside. Oh okay, okay, okay. 486 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 1: But yeah, it became this entire like like kind of 487 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,840 Speaker 1: pop culture phrase for like, oh, let's all put her 488 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 1: tinfoil hats on, um, you know, yeah, yeah, and it's like, surprisingly, 489 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 1: or perhaps not surprisingly, there's actually been a lot of 490 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:32,920 Speaker 1: scientific research into this tinfoil hat thing. UM. A somewhat 491 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 1: serious slash somewhat teasing m I T study conducted in 492 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 1: two thousand five is the big one you'll find UH. 493 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,799 Speaker 1: And it was a study on three types of tinfoil hats, 494 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:47,719 Speaker 1: and it found that they amplified electromagnetic frequencies or okay, 495 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 1: they did a block most frequencies, but they amplified electromagnetic 496 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,720 Speaker 1: waves in a couple of bands. Um the ones allocated 497 00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 1: by the government for UM for mobile and broadcast satellite 498 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 1: community cacation and those for some aeronautical and satellite navigation systems. 499 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:13,919 Speaker 1: Mm hmmmm, yeah, very suspect electromagnetic waves if we've got 500 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 1: our tinfoil hats on. Yes, The study concludes with this, 501 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 1: it requires no stretch of the imagination to conclude that 502 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,759 Speaker 1: the current helmet craze is likely to have been propagated 503 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 1: by the government, possibly with the involvement of the FCC. 504 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 1: We hope this report will encourage the paranoid community to 505 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:39,200 Speaker 1: develop improved helmet designs to avoid falling prey to these shortcomings. 506 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:47,560 Speaker 1: UH concludes strongly tongue in cheek with we should kind yeah, 507 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:53,520 Speaker 1: oh goodness, I uh that is you know, this is 508 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,480 Speaker 1: the area of a of a different show. Y'all can 509 00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,400 Speaker 1: go see stuff they don't want you to know. For 510 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 1: more on for in theories like this one. Um. I 511 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,799 Speaker 1: similar to how I was backing away from the conversation 512 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,600 Speaker 1: about how to properly tend to turkey, I'm all back 513 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,719 Speaker 1: away from this one. I'm like, they're all the safe teer, 514 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:14,839 Speaker 1: They're on the same level. I'm like, I don't want 515 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,000 Speaker 1: to mess with that. You're gonna put a tinfoil ad 516 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,880 Speaker 1: on the turkey. I mean, that's kind of what you're doing. 517 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,480 Speaker 1: And if you're you know, oh, I haven't thought about 518 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:29,200 Speaker 1: it in this way, You're you're opening my mind, You're 519 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:35,879 Speaker 1: expanding my horizons. Yeah. Yeah, Well this has been quite 520 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,840 Speaker 1: a journey and I've got a lot to think about. Yeah, 521 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,200 Speaker 1: I um, maybe maybe you know, maybe I just miss 522 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,440 Speaker 1: working on other shows that I've done for the network, 523 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:49,719 Speaker 1: like like forward Thinking and tech stuff. But but I 524 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,160 Speaker 1: I love these episodes where we get to go into 525 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:57,400 Speaker 1: not a food and talk about the background and the 526 00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:01,320 Speaker 1: innovations and the technologies. It's super fascinating to me. Yeah, 527 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,920 Speaker 1: it cracked me up when you I think you sent 528 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,440 Speaker 1: me a message is something like I've got to go 529 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:16,640 Speaker 1: into metallergy for yeah, and we are an experts metallergy. 530 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:22,400 Speaker 1: I'll just put that out there to try our best. Yeah, 531 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,799 Speaker 1: this is I do feel a lot shakier on this 532 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:30,880 Speaker 1: territory than I do on like basic biology. So so 533 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,160 Speaker 1: I so I hope, I hope I've gotten everything right. 534 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,120 Speaker 1: If if y'all happen to work in any of these 535 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,800 Speaker 1: fields and you can can tell us better or differently, 536 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,400 Speaker 1: then please do right in. Yes, please do. And in 537 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,799 Speaker 1: the meantime, we do have some listener mail for you. 538 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,000 Speaker 1: We do. But first we've got one more quick break 539 00:37:49,000 --> 00:38:01,480 Speaker 1: for a word from our sponsors, and back thank you sponsoring, Yes, 540 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:14,880 Speaker 1: thank you, and we're back with I think when I 541 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:18,719 Speaker 1: went through my weird microwave phase where I was just 542 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:20,880 Speaker 1: putting stuff in microwaves you weren't supposed to put in there. 543 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:26,280 Speaker 1: I put a little oil in there. It was a mistake. Yeah, that'll, 544 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:39,520 Speaker 1: that'll spark that'll did you did you ruin your microwaves? Uh? Yeah. 545 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:41,520 Speaker 1: It was a long night of putting stuff in there though, 546 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:45,439 Speaker 1: But the Great, the damn Great, blew the door off 547 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:49,719 Speaker 1: the microwave, and then I put the door back and 548 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,880 Speaker 1: continued my experiments. It was like one in the morning, 549 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,360 Speaker 1: and my parents when they woke up and the microwave 550 00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,000 Speaker 1: was not working. I was like, I have no idea 551 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,799 Speaker 1: what to tell you. I had to do these experiments. 552 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,719 Speaker 1: And I was like, I had to do these experiments. 553 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:09,080 Speaker 1: Old were you at this time? Okay? I was in 554 00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,680 Speaker 1: sixth grade? Okay, now that's a fair I feel like 555 00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:14,080 Speaker 1: that's a good that's a good age. If it had 556 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:15,640 Speaker 1: been younger, I would have been like, what were you 557 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:17,960 Speaker 1: doing unsupervised? If you had been older, I would have 558 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,320 Speaker 1: been like, you might have should have known better. Um, 559 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,520 Speaker 1: that's like right in that area of like curious. H 560 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,080 Speaker 1: m hmm. My friend, what could I do? She had 561 00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:30,920 Speaker 1: done a whole report on stuff you shouldn't put in 562 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:32,879 Speaker 1: the microwave. So of course I had to go home 563 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:38,920 Speaker 1: and try all these things. I had, like a pillow 564 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:40,919 Speaker 1: I was holding in front of me from the door. 565 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,839 Speaker 1: Blew off. That's so good, hec alright, alright, you had 566 00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:54,640 Speaker 1: some safety precautions, so safety percaution to replace heck right, oh, dear, dear, dear. 567 00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:02,719 Speaker 1: So Sheldon wrote and weighed in on the putin poutine pronunciation. 568 00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,839 Speaker 1: First in French, or at least Quebec French, the word 569 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,680 Speaker 1: poutine is pronounced the same as the ruler putin um. 570 00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:13,120 Speaker 1: Keeping that in mind. Remember Freedom Fries. How France's opposition 571 00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,719 Speaker 1: to the Rock War had some restaurant owners changing the 572 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,280 Speaker 1: name of French Fries to Freedom Fries. Well a restaurant 573 00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,239 Speaker 1: and Drummond Bill Quebec is doing something similar with its 574 00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:26,240 Speaker 1: poutine put um, and this place is arguably the inventor 575 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,760 Speaker 1: of the putin um. They are now saying that they 576 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:36,160 Speaker 1: are the inventor of freed fromage sauce. Yeah, yeah, I mean, 577 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,320 Speaker 1: it's it's strange so many of these episodes we talked about, 578 00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,839 Speaker 1: including this one, as a lot of innovation comes from 579 00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:49,320 Speaker 1: wartime or strife and it can be difficult, and it 580 00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,080 Speaker 1: would come from a very privileged space, but like it 581 00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,399 Speaker 1: can be difficult to talk about like aluminum foil when 582 00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:59,640 Speaker 1: all the stuff is going on. Yeah, yeah, it is surreal. 583 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,120 Speaker 1: I mean, as as you know, a lot of the 584 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:06,759 Speaker 1: conversation online UM and and and in person um is 585 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:10,280 Speaker 1: about this right now. But it's really surreal going about 586 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:14,839 Speaker 1: your daily existence as though you know, we didn't just 587 00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:20,520 Speaker 1: re enter a cold war. Yeah, um, that's very weird 588 00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:22,520 Speaker 1: or I mean, you know, it's you could you could 589 00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,799 Speaker 1: argue with me about my definition they're of entering and 590 00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:31,800 Speaker 1: Cold war but uh yeah, just this, this nuclear threat. 591 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,719 Speaker 1: I haven't felt this way since the nineteen eighties. I 592 00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,000 Speaker 1: thought I had left this behind in my in my youth. 593 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:43,320 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, and it's you know, food is certainly 594 00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:47,080 Speaker 1: not not impacted by those things, and oh sure you 595 00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:53,239 Speaker 1: see these examples of that uh everywhere. Um but yeah, 596 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,440 Speaker 1: it feels really tricked to say, but you know, we 597 00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,120 Speaker 1: are thinking of people who are impacted by this is 598 00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,760 Speaker 1: on our minds. Yeah yeah, this in any other number 599 00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,400 Speaker 1: of crises that are going on. And I mean I 600 00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,840 Speaker 1: feel like the the best that we can that we 601 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:12,360 Speaker 1: can do personally is uh, you know, keep on truck 602 00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,920 Speaker 1: and keep on providing hopefully a bright spot in y'all's 603 00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:22,320 Speaker 1: days and hopefully cover some subjects that bring um uh 604 00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:28,200 Speaker 1: to bring to light some some difficult topics sometimes. Yeah 605 00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:33,440 Speaker 1: yeah uh so yes, thank you for that. We did. 606 00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,360 Speaker 1: We did talk about that in our Putine episode, that 607 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:41,480 Speaker 1: the mis pronunciation, So that's interesting. Yeah yeah um and uh, 608 00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:47,080 Speaker 1: Brett wrote, I laugh because and then just move moving on. Yes, wrote, 609 00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,479 Speaker 1: this is my first time emailing in a longtime fan 610 00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,720 Speaker 1: listening in since the second or third episode of food Stuff, 611 00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,960 Speaker 1: You too seem like close friends by now considering you 612 00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,200 Speaker 1: put your fun personalities on display in each episode. I 613 00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,600 Speaker 1: think we are I think we are. Yes, yeah, yeah, 614 00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:11,000 Speaker 1: I would say, I would hope, so Brett continued. I 615 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,440 Speaker 1: find myself laughing and also shaking my head with a 616 00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:17,320 Speaker 1: smile often while listening in between the pop culture references 617 00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,720 Speaker 1: and the mixture of history and science. A. Your flavor 618 00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:23,239 Speaker 1: of nerd is red up my alley. Speaking of flavor, 619 00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,319 Speaker 1: you know, I had to make a pun. I was 620 00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,640 Speaker 1: listening to my podcast feed when your episode on a 621 00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,480 Speaker 1: root Beer came on. Sorry for being so backlogged, but 622 00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,920 Speaker 1: I swear I'll catch up to the current episodes eventually. 623 00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,880 Speaker 1: No worries, uh, And I felt compelled to write in 624 00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:39,239 Speaker 1: because of some fun flavor and plant info I came 625 00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,560 Speaker 1: across over the last few years. You did mention that 626 00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,200 Speaker 1: one of the main flavors of root beer nowadays is 627 00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,560 Speaker 1: the winter green, which is absolutely true. In fact, most 628 00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,279 Speaker 1: old timey recipes of root beer would have been much 629 00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,880 Speaker 1: more of an annis flavor. But I was shocked to 630 00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,800 Speaker 1: learn that winter green is not even a route. While 631 00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:00,000 Speaker 1: all root beers tend to be a mixture of flavors, 632 00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,879 Speaker 1: seems sometime in the past pretty much all modern root 633 00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:08,080 Speaker 1: beer recipes switched to being predominantly winter green. But what 634 00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,480 Speaker 1: in the hecking heck does winter green actually taste like? 635 00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,040 Speaker 1: When I was a kid, I probably only ever saw 636 00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:18,399 Speaker 1: the name wintergreen as a chewing gum flavor. So when 637 00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,680 Speaker 1: I did a little reading, I found that wintergreen is 638 00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:24,719 Speaker 1: a common evergreen landscape plant that grows red berries, which 639 00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,760 Speaker 1: are not generally eaten. Um. I'm currently building a food 640 00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,239 Speaker 1: forest around my house, and I knew I would want 641 00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,120 Speaker 1: to include winter green, if nothing more than as a 642 00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:36,200 Speaker 1: beautiful landscape edition. I planted a couple in the ground 643 00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,560 Speaker 1: a few years ago which came to me with some 644 00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,279 Speaker 1: berries on them. I had to taste them to see 645 00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,400 Speaker 1: for myself, and I will report that they did not 646 00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:47,120 Speaker 1: taste very good at all. Uh not sweet, almost bitter, 647 00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:51,680 Speaker 1: but with a very familiar root beer hint. I was shocked, 648 00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:55,560 Speaker 1: mind blown. Since I planted them, I still haven't gotten 649 00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,600 Speaker 1: more berries, but I imagine that they will become established 650 00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:00,440 Speaker 1: and then produce more than I would know what to 651 00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,480 Speaker 1: do with. Maybe then I will consider making something with 652 00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,720 Speaker 1: this odd and interesting flavor profile. Keep up the awesome 653 00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:12,719 Speaker 1: work you too do. Yeah, I I love a couple 654 00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:18,560 Speaker 1: of things about this. First, the food forest. I oh, 655 00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:22,400 Speaker 1: I love food gardens. Oh this is great. Yes, me too. 656 00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,719 Speaker 1: I I really want one that's like a goal that 657 00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:32,719 Speaker 1: I have. Yeah, and this is interesting because winter Green 658 00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:36,560 Speaker 1: I always thought was kind of a fake not fake 659 00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:40,720 Speaker 1: fakes not the right word, but like alternate to mint, yeah, 660 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,560 Speaker 1: or like a fancier name that companies put on something 661 00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:49,560 Speaker 1: to be like, Oh it's winter green, right, it's not mint, 662 00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:55,480 Speaker 1: It's it's green and wintry exactly. Yeah. Yeah, I I'm 663 00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,560 Speaker 1: not sure if I clocked maybe I talked about it 664 00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:01,640 Speaker 1: in our Roopier episode. Who knows, um, you might know it. 665 00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:10,640 Speaker 1: But yeah, oh goodness, now I wanta okay, all right, 666 00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:15,960 Speaker 1: more stuff to track down and try. Our savor bizarre 667 00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:20,000 Speaker 1: Savor Feast is. We've got a lot of things we've 668 00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:23,160 Speaker 1: gotta we gotta work through, only only getting weirder. Yeah. 669 00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:28,520 Speaker 1: I like it. I'm I'm as I said, I'm both tentative, 670 00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:33,160 Speaker 1: anxious and excited, like both triple things that. Yeah, um, 671 00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:41,800 Speaker 1: so I think it'll be fun. Same yeah, yes, well. Um. 672 00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:45,400 Speaker 1: In the meantime, thank you to both of those Listenershore 673 00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,040 Speaker 1: writing in if you would like to write to us 674 00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,520 Speaker 1: that you can. Our email is hello at favor pod 675 00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,279 Speaker 1: dot com. We're also on social media. You can find 676 00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,600 Speaker 1: us on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram at saver pod and 677 00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,120 Speaker 1: we do hope to hear from you. Four more podcasts 678 00:46:58,120 --> 00:46:59,960 Speaker 1: from My Heart Radio. You can visit the Heart ray, 679 00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,640 Speaker 1: you app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your 680 00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,600 Speaker 1: favorite shows. Thanks as always for our super producers Dylan 681 00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,120 Speaker 1: Fagan and Andrew Howard. Thanks to you for listening, and 682 00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:09,920 Speaker 1: we hope that lots more good things are coming your 683 00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:10,120 Speaker 1: way