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<v Speaker 1>Get in touch with technology with text stuff from stuff

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<v Speaker 1>dot Com. Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan Strickland and joining me in the studio is special

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<v Speaker 1>guest Holly from Stuff You miss in History class High Holly. Hello, ha,

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<v Speaker 1>I am so glad that you are here too. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because I've been asking other hosts here at how Stuff

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<v Speaker 1>works if they could sit in as a guest and

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<v Speaker 1>kind of mix things up and find out what they'd

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<v Speaker 1>be interested to talk about in the world of technology. Sometimes, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>they don't have a suggestion right. Sometimes they're they're like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>you just tell me what you want to talk about,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think, well, okay, but then it's just gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be like another episode of tech Stuff. But other people

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<v Speaker 1>like Holly come to me with an idea that is phenomenal. See,

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<v Speaker 1>we want to talk about patent wars, and we've talked

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<v Speaker 1>about patent wars on tech stuff before. Pat wars are

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<v Speaker 1>when you've got at least two, but sometimes multiple entities

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<v Speaker 1>all claiming ownership for some kind of technology and competing

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<v Speaker 1>against each other and sometimes taking each other to court

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<v Speaker 1>and saying nasty things about each other's moms. And you

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<v Speaker 1>might think that that's a pretty recent activity. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>the smartphone that that's a big patent war, right, lots

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<v Speaker 1>of modern viciousness around patents. But here's the thing that

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<v Speaker 1>modern viciousness has a long and detailed history that we

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<v Speaker 1>can trace back to one of the most important pieces

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<v Speaker 1>of technology. I am not using hyper bowl people, this

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<v Speaker 1>is true to me. It's certainly a super important piece

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<v Speaker 1>of technology. I mean, when you look at when you

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<v Speaker 1>look at mass production, this is one of the specific

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<v Speaker 1>pieces of technology that makes mass production possible. I'm talking

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<v Speaker 1>about sewing machines. So sewing machines. As it turns out,

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<v Speaker 1>we're the focus of one of the first major patent wars.

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<v Speaker 1>And the story is a complex one, filled with joy

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<v Speaker 1>and tragedy and a lot of crabbiness and some stitches,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's uh a lot of that. If any of

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<v Speaker 1>your listeners have listened to the stuffy Masson History class

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<v Speaker 1>episode on this very thing, a lot of this will

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<v Speaker 1>be repeat information. Yeah, but it's just so fascinating how

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<v Speaker 1>completely similar to modern day arguments over tech, these ones

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<v Speaker 1>where I mean, it's it's it's you can draw direct parallels.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, seriously, when you look at a company trying

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<v Speaker 1>to make a piece of technology as complex essay a

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<v Speaker 1>tablet or a smartphone. Now, a tablet or a smartphone

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<v Speaker 1>by itself is one thing, but it's made up of

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<v Speaker 1>numerous individual components, some of which may not be owned

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<v Speaker 1>by one particular entity. The same thing is true with

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<v Speaker 1>sewing machines, as it turns out, absolutely So before we

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<v Speaker 1>jump into the sordid history of the sewing machine, I

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<v Speaker 1>thought I would remind folks what a patent is. What's

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<v Speaker 1>all about? So patents are that's a set of exclusive

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<v Speaker 1>rights granted by government some form of agency that has

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<v Speaker 1>authority to an inventor or an assignee for the use

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<v Speaker 1>of an invention. Now, an invention does not have to

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<v Speaker 1>be a complete thing all by itself. It could be

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<v Speaker 1>a component of a thing, Like if you were to

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<v Speaker 1>have a full invention, Let's say it's a washing machine.

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<v Speaker 1>Because we've done a tech stuff episode about washing machines,

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<v Speaker 1>and you come up with a way to improve washing

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<v Speaker 1>machines so that they wash clothes, uh more thoroughly or

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<v Speaker 1>without as much bashing around, so the clothing doesn't take

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<v Speaker 1>as much of a beating. And you come up with

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<v Speaker 1>that that improvement and then you patent it. You can

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<v Speaker 1>do that. That's perfectly acceptable, and then any washing machine

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<v Speaker 1>that would use that particular improvement would have to either

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<v Speaker 1>have been made by you or have received your permission

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<v Speaker 1>to use that specific technology. Yes, so patents can be

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<v Speaker 1>for a full invention with all the different components, or

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<v Speaker 1>it can be just a tiny little thing that's an improvement.

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<v Speaker 1>The point of it is, the reason why you would

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<v Speaker 1>want to patent it is that you get those exclusive

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<v Speaker 1>rights to use that technology. Now, in return for that,

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<v Speaker 1>you have to disclose how that technology works. You submit

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<v Speaker 1>a patent application that has a full description of the

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<v Speaker 1>mechanism and the purpose of your invention, and that becomes

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<v Speaker 1>publicly available, and once the patent expires, which they do,

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<v Speaker 1>anyone can access that information and make use of it.

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<v Speaker 1>But during the course of that patent, that the lifespan

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<v Speaker 1>of that patent, it's all you, boss. They got to

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<v Speaker 1>come through you. Yeah, Although that is an interesting one

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<v Speaker 1>related to what we're talking about today, because there were

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<v Speaker 1>several instances on the road to the sewing machine actually

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<v Speaker 1>becoming a fully fledged thing where there were some FIBs

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<v Speaker 1>told in the patent filings so that they could keep

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<v Speaker 1>their proprietary information to themselves, so when people tried to

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<v Speaker 1>replicate them, they did not always work. Right. See, you

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<v Speaker 1>could if you wanted to. If you invented something, there's nothing,

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<v Speaker 1>nothing that requires you to get a patent, you could

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<v Speaker 1>keep it secret and say this magical technology is mine

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<v Speaker 1>and mine alone. But the danger of that, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>is if someone gets hold of it and figures out

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<v Speaker 1>how it works, they could then make the same thing

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<v Speaker 1>with and you would have no protection. Not only could

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<v Speaker 1>they make the same thing, they could file a patent

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<v Speaker 1>for it, and then you would no longer be able

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<v Speaker 1>to use the thing you invented. Yeah, it's all about

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<v Speaker 1>first rites. So as it turns out, and we haven't

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<v Speaker 1>even gotten into the complication of filing for a patent

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<v Speaker 1>in one country versus filing for a paton and another.

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<v Speaker 1>But we we've hemmed in hod long enough about patents.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's start off. Tell me what what was sewing before

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<v Speaker 1>the sewing machine. Well, most people would probably recognize it

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<v Speaker 1>if they thought about pre sewing machines sewing, they would

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<v Speaker 1>think of an needle and thread. But even way before that,

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<v Speaker 1>there were people using bones and sticks to kind of

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<v Speaker 1>poke holes into fabrics. Usually leathers and then they would

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<v Speaker 1>pass a lace through. It was not all one continuous

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<v Speaker 1>thing where the lace was attached to the the boner stick.

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<v Speaker 1>And then they added the eye that circle that the

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<v Speaker 1>whatever you're lacing material passes through. Right. The thing that

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<v Speaker 1>confounds me whenever I have to threaten a needle, many

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<v Speaker 1>people say that I think you either got it or

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<v Speaker 1>you don't. I don't got it. Um, I hope I

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<v Speaker 1>keep it forever because I have a few friends who

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<v Speaker 1>are saying are getting to the age and their eyesight

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<v Speaker 1>isn't letting them keep it anymore. But yeah, so that

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<v Speaker 1>eventually that I was added and people were able to

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<v Speaker 1>do it all in one fell swoop where they poked

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<v Speaker 1>the hole and passed the binding material through, and that

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<v Speaker 1>also developed things like embroidery. But it wasn't really until

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<v Speaker 1>the Industrial Revolution that stitching became mechanized. And even pre

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<v Speaker 1>Industrial Revolution in the mid seventeen hundreds, where kind of

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<v Speaker 1>industry was first starting to get seated, is really where

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<v Speaker 1>we started having first people on record actually filing things. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So you have Charles Wisenthal here who received a patent

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<v Speaker 1>for a needle for a sewing machine, but it had

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<v Speaker 1>a distinct disadvantage and that it was a design for

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<v Speaker 1>a needle for a machine that didn't exist. Yeah, he

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<v Speaker 1>just really felt like he had the needle situation worked

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<v Speaker 1>out and eventually the rest would follow. You've got to

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<v Speaker 1>really nail the needle. Is his approach, which the needle,

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<v Speaker 1>how it came to be where it is today, really

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<v Speaker 1>took a lot of iterations. And his needle um had

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<v Speaker 1>was pointed on both ends, and it had an eye,

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<v Speaker 1>but the eye was in the middle, which is not

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<v Speaker 1>If anybody knows a modern sewing machine or hand sewing needle,

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<v Speaker 1>the eye is usually not in the middle. Right. So

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<v Speaker 1>then we move forward to we have Thomas sat who

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<v Speaker 1>I love the title of his patents. We talked about

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<v Speaker 1>this in the History podcast. It's it's so scint it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's so delightful and just completely reboth. Do you want

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<v Speaker 1>to read it? Let me, let me do this all right.

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<v Speaker 1>So he's an English cabinet maker, so uh, sorry, listeners,

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<v Speaker 1>here we go an entire new method of making and

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<v Speaker 1>completing shoes, boots, splatter dashes, clogs, and other articles by

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<v Speaker 1>means and tools and by means of tools and machines.

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<v Speaker 1>Also invented by me all that purpose and of certain

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<v Speaker 1>compositions of the nature of Japan or Vanish, which will

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<v Speaker 1>be very advantageous in many useful applications. End quote. Don't

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<v Speaker 1>you just feel like this is sewing as described by

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<v Speaker 1>a Monty Python sketch? It does feel like John Cleese

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<v Speaker 1>is the person who needs to deliver that patent title.

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<v Speaker 1>For me, it's Terry Jones, but we all have our

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<v Speaker 1>favorite that you went more Welsh. That's all right, that's

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<v Speaker 1>what's fine with that. So he's actually describing three different

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<v Speaker 1>machines in this patent um. So the second of the three,

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<v Speaker 1>which is why it's so crazy wordy, I mean Japan

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<v Speaker 1>and varnish, which are the words used for like these

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<v Speaker 1>coding um methods have nothing to do with stitching. But

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<v Speaker 1>he kind of lumped everything together. And he was a

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<v Speaker 1>cabinet maker. I think maybe he didn't like to file

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of paper. Yeah, that's probably one of those

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<v Speaker 1>things we thought, goodness, gracious, this is a lot of work.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's let's just lump it all together. One very wordy

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<v Speaker 1>document will cover me. So the second part of his

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<v Speaker 1>patent was actually the one first ditching, and it really

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't terribly practical. It had a lot of components that

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<v Speaker 1>we actually associate with modern sewing machines. So it had

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<v Speaker 1>the arm with the needle, it had continuous thread from

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<v Speaker 1>a spool, uh, and it had a table set up

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<v Speaker 1>that the cloth would sit on. And those all still

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<v Speaker 1>persist in some form or another. But his is a

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<v Speaker 1>case where there's no actual example of his machine having

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<v Speaker 1>been built, although in eighteen seventy three Newton Wilson, who

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<v Speaker 1>was from Great Britain, found the plans and he did

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<v Speaker 1>build this machine, but it did not work. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is one of those ones that we talked about a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit ago, where the suspicion is that he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>entirely disclose what he was getting. Leave a few things

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<v Speaker 1>out of the patent design so that folks don't automatically

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<v Speaker 1>go out there and actually start making one uh. One

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<v Speaker 1>thing about patents, by the way, there's no guarantee that

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<v Speaker 1>your design has to work. It has to it has

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<v Speaker 1>to be reasonably you know, the people at the patent

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<v Speaker 1>office that have to reasonably believe that you you believe

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<v Speaker 1>it will work the way you've designed it, but you

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<v Speaker 1>don't have to prove Yeah, there's not a proofing stage design. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have to bring one in and say, well here,

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<v Speaker 1>let me put it in motion and show you that

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<v Speaker 1>all the parts move the way I've described it in

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<v Speaker 1>the patent. It really is just meant to prevent other

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<v Speaker 1>people from making that same design without your permission. All right. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>then in four we've got this story about Thomas Stone

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<v Speaker 1>and James Henderson who were issued a patent in France

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<v Speaker 1>for their own kind of sewing machine. Right. Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 1>kind of created an overcast stitch. So if you don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what that is, I do not. Um. If you

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<v Speaker 1>see like a situation where two pieces of cloth are

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<v Speaker 1>bound together and there's a stitch that passes through each

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<v Speaker 1>one and kind of spirals around the edges and then

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<v Speaker 1>back through, that's an overcast okay, all right, Um, so

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<v Speaker 1>this was similar. It's also called a whip stitch when

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<v Speaker 1>you do it by hand, so it's very simple. But

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<v Speaker 1>it could work on all different kinds of fabrics, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was able to stitch curves. Okay, So it's not

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<v Speaker 1>just a straight line like some of the other device

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<v Speaker 1>as we'll be talking about. Correct, Like a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>them will only go in a straight line, but this

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<v Speaker 1>one could handle curves. The one big drawback of it though,

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<v Speaker 1>was that it did not have a continuous thread feed,

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<v Speaker 1>so there was a lot of stopping and going and

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<v Speaker 1>re threading of needles and treating. So it saved time,

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<v Speaker 1>we think theoretically, I say that with a question mark

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<v Speaker 1>on purpose. Right, maybe it saves time for someone who

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<v Speaker 1>just really hates the motion of actually making a stitch well,

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<v Speaker 1>or if you're doing like large scale things like leathers

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<v Speaker 1>and probably help. So that same year you have John

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<v Speaker 1>Duncan of Glasgow here patenting an embroidery machine, which is

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<v Speaker 1>not quite the same thing as a stitching machine, correct.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it does do stitches, but it's not the

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<v Speaker 1>same sort of utilitarian things that would hold together pants. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll just make the pants beautiful. I've learned that through

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<v Speaker 1>a better experience. In seven we have Edward Walter Chapman

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<v Speaker 1>and Walter Chapman. It's not confusing at all receiving a

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<v Speaker 1>British patent three seven eight. That's another thing that I

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<v Speaker 1>think is interesting. You look at the history of sewing

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<v Speaker 1>machines and you look at those patent numbers and when

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<v Speaker 1>they're still in the four digit range. That's incredible. If

0:12:10.760 --> 0:12:13.600
<v Speaker 1>guys go to the patent I'll go to like Google

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<v Speaker 1>search for patents and look up any patent that's been

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<v Speaker 1>issued over the last couple of years. We're talking in

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<v Speaker 1>the millions here. Yeah, and this is when they were

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<v Speaker 1>still in the thousands, which is pretty incredible. It really

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<v Speaker 1>does show that the patent industry here was very young.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, this was the one that allowed a machine

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<v Speaker 1>that had a needle that would not have to pass

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<v Speaker 1>all the way through the fabric. It could just puncture it,

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<v Speaker 1>uh slightly and then pull back out and make the

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<v Speaker 1>stitch that way, right, which is how modern machines still

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<v Speaker 1>work for the most part. I think there's a couple

0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:47.520
<v Speaker 1>of specialty machines that do different things. But yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>it had two needles. One, as you said, punched in

0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:52.920
<v Speaker 1>and passed the thread down. Another kind of shuttled through

0:12:52.960 --> 0:12:56.400
<v Speaker 1>it and then it got pulled back up. So um,

0:12:56.600 --> 0:13:01.280
<v Speaker 1>continuous stitching via these two different threads feeds cool. And

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<v Speaker 1>then we have my favorite name on our list. It's

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<v Speaker 1>one of my favorites eight thirty so it's bartelling me Timonier.

0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:11.520
<v Speaker 1>I love a good French name. Yeah, that's a great one,

0:13:11.559 --> 0:13:15.200
<v Speaker 1>as there's two th in there and as I a

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<v Speaker 1>call that's a hard tea, but I could be wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>It is it is, and his machine made a chain stitch.

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<v Speaker 1>And there are still machines very similar to this functioning today.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not used a whole lot because it's one of

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<v Speaker 1>those things. You may have even come across them periodically.

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<v Speaker 1>If you ever have, like an article of clothing it's

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<v Speaker 1>maybe not super pricy. You may be bought it, you know,

0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:36.680
<v Speaker 1>a cheap store, and you pull one thread and the

0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:39.520
<v Speaker 1>whole thing starts coming out. That's often a chain stitch

0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:42.520
<v Speaker 1>because it's the one thread holding everything together, so there's

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<v Speaker 1>nothing stopping it from continuing to unravel. Right, That's what

0:13:46.200 --> 0:13:48.760
<v Speaker 1>I always get nervous now whenever I see a loose thread.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm more of a snipper than a than a tugger.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not. I'm a yanker, okay, but I know I

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<v Speaker 1>can fix it if it all goes right. Yeah, for me,

0:13:56.280 --> 0:13:59.000
<v Speaker 1>it's it's fixing means going out and buying a new one.

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<v Speaker 1>So well. I love about the story is it's interesting

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<v Speaker 1>because it's a real life story that mirrors something that

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<v Speaker 1>is um a popular misconception. And what I mean by

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<v Speaker 1>that is in the story you have Toumonnier who had

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<v Speaker 1>a shop in Paris. Uh. He had lots of these

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<v Speaker 1>different machines, eighty of them working at a time, and

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<v Speaker 1>Taylor's people, who sewed by hand, stormed his store and

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<v Speaker 1>destroyed some of the machinery because they didn't want to

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<v Speaker 1>be put out of a job. And the reason why

0:14:35.000 --> 0:14:37.080
<v Speaker 1>I say this is interesting is that there's a story

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<v Speaker 1>that we have told on tech stuff before that is

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<v Speaker 1>erroneous and uh. And in fact I have been guilty

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<v Speaker 1>of of pushing this forward. The idea of sabotage being

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<v Speaker 1>named after sabo, as in the French word for shoe,

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<v Speaker 1>The story is that you had uh. Often it was

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<v Speaker 1>told about weavers who came in and threw their shoes

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<v Speaker 1>into large mechanized loom in order to foul the workings

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<v Speaker 1>and destroy them. As it turns out, that's not necessarily true.

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<v Speaker 1>The first the first appearance of the word sabotage doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>come until in the written word, as far as I

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<v Speaker 1>can tell, until which tells me that this incident, which

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<v Speaker 1>happened in around the mid eighteen hundreds, could have given

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<v Speaker 1>birth to a word involving tailors that would have replaced sabotage,

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<v Speaker 1>and they just didn't capitalize on it. I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>include Timonier somehow I got totally Timoniate today at work,

0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:37.720
<v Speaker 1>locked in and they just ambushed me. Yeah. So they

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<v Speaker 1>came and destroyed his shop and he had to flee.

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<v Speaker 1>And he did get financial backing, uh so that he

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<v Speaker 1>could continue his work and develop new machines. But unfortunately

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<v Speaker 1>uh and he got some additional patents as well, both

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<v Speaker 1>in France and in Britain. But the revolution kind of

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<v Speaker 1>caused his legacy to get put on the back burner.

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<v Speaker 1>It turns out some important things that people were attending

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<v Speaker 1>to at the time. Yeah, not so much with the

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<v Speaker 1>let's make machines. Now we've got an American inventor coming

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<v Speaker 1>up next, so let's just take a moment to go America. Well,

0:16:11.880 --> 0:16:15.200
<v Speaker 1>and he becomes very important in the patent battles. So

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<v Speaker 1>this is Walter Hunt you're talking about here. Yeah. So

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<v Speaker 1>he made a machine that it created a lock stitch.

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<v Speaker 1>It used to thread sources, very similar to the bobbing

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<v Speaker 1>and school method you would see on modern machines. UM

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<v Speaker 1>and this, you know, of course, was different than the

0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:33.200
<v Speaker 1>single thread chain stitch of Timoni successful machines. And he

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<v Speaker 1>kind of was a busy bee. He had a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of inventions going at the same time, and so it

0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:40.960
<v Speaker 1>wasn't like this sewing machine was his baby and he

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<v Speaker 1>had really put his heart and soul into it. He

0:16:43.120 --> 0:16:44.600
<v Speaker 1>was kind of like, no, no, he's ever gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>interested in this, and he sold it. So he sold

0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:49.200
<v Speaker 1>the patent off to He didn't even have the patent.

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<v Speaker 1>He just sold I go that's right, he didn't even

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<v Speaker 1>patent this invention. Yeah, I could use the money. He

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<v Speaker 1>sold it to a man named George A Arrowsmith and

0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:00.680
<v Speaker 1>was basically like, yeah, well, you know, all fund some

0:17:00.760 --> 0:17:03.760
<v Speaker 1>other projects with whatever I make off of this. It's

0:17:03.800 --> 0:17:08.040
<v Speaker 1>not that important. Um. As we said, he comes up

0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:10.600
<v Speaker 1>later and becomes very important to remember him. And we'll

0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:13.359
<v Speaker 1>also point out his machine was one that Jonathan referenced

0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:16.119
<v Speaker 1>earlier that would only go in straight lines. You couldn't

0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:19.640
<v Speaker 1>really work curves with it, right, so that that certainly

0:17:19.680 --> 0:17:25.679
<v Speaker 1>limits its usefulness. Uh. Now, we also have to acknowledge

0:17:25.720 --> 0:17:29.040
<v Speaker 1>the fact that there's a challenge in really talking about

0:17:29.040 --> 0:17:31.119
<v Speaker 1>the history of the sewing machine because of the event

0:17:31.160 --> 0:17:34.520
<v Speaker 1>that happened in that the mid eighteen hundreds, early to

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<v Speaker 1>mid eighteen hundreds. Yeah, we had a little bit of

0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:40.600
<v Speaker 1>a fire in the patent office. As it turns out,

0:17:40.600 --> 0:17:44.280
<v Speaker 1>patents are flammable. Yes, no one had patented the the

0:17:44.280 --> 0:17:48.199
<v Speaker 1>the not the inflammable that would also be flammable, but

0:17:48.240 --> 0:17:51.439
<v Speaker 1>the impossible to burn patent. Yeah, And it wasn't a

0:17:51.440 --> 0:17:53.760
<v Speaker 1>time where they were making tons of backups. It was

0:17:53.840 --> 0:17:55.359
<v Speaker 1>kind of like, you file it and you go on

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<v Speaker 1>your way. Because we're still in the thousands, they haven't

0:17:58.280 --> 0:18:00.520
<v Speaker 1>really gotten their game figured out yet, right, not to

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<v Speaker 1>mention the fact that they're making making duplicates is is

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<v Speaker 1>no easy task at this time, so they thought, well

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<v Speaker 1>it's safe enough. Yeah, that fire was in eighteen thirty six,

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<v Speaker 1>so they really did not have a plan in place

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<v Speaker 1>to keep duplicate copies. And as a consequence, there are

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<v Speaker 1>actually a lot some sources will say that there are

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of kind of partial patent documents that still

0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:27.159
<v Speaker 1>exists that like they mentioned a needle, or they mentioned

0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:30.639
<v Speaker 1>something sewing related, but like the attribution portion of the

0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:32.840
<v Speaker 1>document has been too damaged and they don't know who

0:18:32.840 --> 0:18:36.080
<v Speaker 1>filed it. So there could be families out there that

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<v Speaker 1>could have, for all we know, inherited great wealth. But

0:18:38.760 --> 0:18:42.760
<v Speaker 1>we'll never know because the capriciousness of fire robbed them

0:18:42.760 --> 0:18:45.640
<v Speaker 1>of their place in history. Fire and it's ways possibly

0:18:45.640 --> 0:18:49.879
<v Speaker 1>on Martha's vineyard. In eighteen forty two, we've got John J. Greenoff,

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<v Speaker 1>who is the first guy, first American, to get a

0:18:52.880 --> 0:18:54.800
<v Speaker 1>patent for the sewing machine that we have a record

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<v Speaker 1>of anyway. Um. So even though he made his invention

0:18:58.720 --> 0:19:02.760
<v Speaker 1>after Hunt had, Hunt had not patented it, and as

0:19:02.800 --> 0:19:05.280
<v Speaker 1>you have in your notes here, the Aerosmith apparently never

0:19:05.359 --> 0:19:09.359
<v Speaker 1>got around to patenting it either. So, uh, this is

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<v Speaker 1>the first one in the American patent system. Yeah, he

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<v Speaker 1>there was no replication of his He basically kind of

0:19:16.840 --> 0:19:18.960
<v Speaker 1>was one and done. Yes, so he made a prototype

0:19:18.960 --> 0:19:21.920
<v Speaker 1>and then not a production model. Yeah, there's we don't

0:19:21.960 --> 0:19:23.679
<v Speaker 1>know if he didn't get funding, orf he just abandoned

0:19:23.720 --> 0:19:26.840
<v Speaker 1>the idea and moved on to something else. But it

0:19:26.920 --> 0:19:28.800
<v Speaker 1>was only a year later when the second U. S.

0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:31.280
<v Speaker 1>Patent for a sewing machine came about, and that was

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<v Speaker 1>issued to Benjamin W. Bean which is a great name,

0:19:33.960 --> 0:19:38.240
<v Speaker 1>I know. Um, And he created a unique development and

0:19:38.280 --> 0:19:41.920
<v Speaker 1>that his machine was the first that actually fed the

0:19:41.960 --> 0:19:45.359
<v Speaker 1>fabrics through gears. So for the stitchers in the house,

0:19:45.560 --> 0:19:49.119
<v Speaker 1>all three of us. UM, that's similar to feed dogs.

0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:50.960
<v Speaker 1>And if you don't stitch what a feed dog is.

0:19:50.960 --> 0:19:52.919
<v Speaker 1>If you've ever looked at a sewing machine, you may

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<v Speaker 1>see these two. They almost look like little feet that

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<v Speaker 1>come up and kind of kick at your fabric as

0:19:57.000 --> 0:19:59.960
<v Speaker 1>you're sewing, and they have rigid edges and that's kind

0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:02.399
<v Speaker 1>to pulling your fabric through as you go right, so

0:20:02.480 --> 0:20:04.800
<v Speaker 1>you don't have to put through as much effort, you

0:20:04.840 --> 0:20:08.399
<v Speaker 1>don't have to worry about misguiding the fabric. So it

0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:11.680
<v Speaker 1>helps feed the fabric through as you're stitching. Yes, sometimes

0:20:11.680 --> 0:20:14.040
<v Speaker 1>it creates great drama and it eats fabric, but not

0:20:14.119 --> 0:20:17.359
<v Speaker 1>very often. UM and his also had a clamp mechanism

0:20:17.400 --> 0:20:19.240
<v Speaker 1>to attach it to a table, so that was also

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<v Speaker 1>a new development. Uh, and there are still machines made

0:20:22.359 --> 0:20:25.720
<v Speaker 1>to do that. Also that year, in eighteen forty three,

0:20:25.720 --> 0:20:29.439
<v Speaker 1>we got George H. Corliss, who uh you know, he

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<v Speaker 1>was also a busy body making making a steam engine.

0:20:33.760 --> 0:20:36.320
<v Speaker 1>That's pretty cool. We did a full episode and tech

0:20:36.359 --> 0:20:38.800
<v Speaker 1>stuff on steam engine. So if you guys are are

0:20:38.880 --> 0:20:40.520
<v Speaker 1>big into that and you really want to know about

0:20:40.520 --> 0:20:42.600
<v Speaker 1>the development of the steam engine. Here's here's an interesting

0:20:42.640 --> 0:20:46.280
<v Speaker 1>little fact. The original steam engines didn't push with steam.

0:20:46.440 --> 0:20:49.280
<v Speaker 1>They rather would pull by letting steam condense and create

0:20:49.280 --> 0:20:52.840
<v Speaker 1>a vacuum, thus pulling a piston down rather than pushing

0:20:52.880 --> 0:20:55.359
<v Speaker 1>a piston out. But we go into full detail and

0:20:55.359 --> 0:20:58.399
<v Speaker 1>tech stuff, so I don't need to redo the whole thing.

0:20:59.280 --> 0:21:02.760
<v Speaker 1>This peace It is exciting. It's actually not cool, it's

0:21:02.760 --> 0:21:07.440
<v Speaker 1>actually quite hot. But but ump ump so Corless had

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<v Speaker 1>what's considered the third u S sewing machine patents. His

0:21:11.640 --> 0:21:13.919
<v Speaker 1>performed what is called a saddle stitch, which is a

0:21:13.960 --> 0:21:18.200
<v Speaker 1>specialized stitch that's used to this day to join leather together. Uh.

0:21:18.200 --> 0:21:20.400
<v Speaker 1>It kind of keeps it all stable. If anybody has

0:21:20.400 --> 0:21:22.159
<v Speaker 1>ever tried to sew with leather, if you've had like

0:21:22.200 --> 0:21:26.439
<v Speaker 1>a leather pouch or anything, Uh, it can present some

0:21:26.520 --> 0:21:30.600
<v Speaker 1>challenges in terms of how it because it's so rugged

0:21:30.720 --> 0:21:33.240
<v Speaker 1>usually and tough, it will chew on threads and or

0:21:33.240 --> 0:21:35.440
<v Speaker 1>even if you have a lacing, the lacing even though

0:21:35.440 --> 0:21:37.600
<v Speaker 1>it's leather, also we'll kind of get chewed up over time.

0:21:38.000 --> 0:21:40.719
<v Speaker 1>So a saddle stitch kind of gives you a tighter

0:21:40.760 --> 0:21:44.600
<v Speaker 1>stitch and it prevents some of that friction. Okay, cool.

0:21:44.720 --> 0:21:47.840
<v Speaker 1>And then also just a year later, in eighteen forty four,

0:21:47.880 --> 0:21:51.520
<v Speaker 1>we've got James Rogers getting the fourth US sewing machine pen.

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<v Speaker 1>And you may all wonder why we're covering every single patent.

0:21:55.520 --> 0:21:58.879
<v Speaker 1>The paton wars will make all clear. Everybody's gonna be

0:21:59.119 --> 0:22:02.359
<v Speaker 1>really apparent in an it's it's it's important because again

0:22:02.960 --> 0:22:05.919
<v Speaker 1>we're trying to illustrate the fact that a lot of

0:22:05.920 --> 0:22:11.800
<v Speaker 1>these patents were not revolutionary devices that completely reinvented the machine.

0:22:11.880 --> 0:22:16.640
<v Speaker 1>They were sometimes incremental improvements that had a remarkable difference

0:22:16.680 --> 0:22:19.960
<v Speaker 1>from earlier machines, but it was one tiny element, right,

0:22:20.080 --> 0:22:25.760
<v Speaker 1>not necessarily a full reworking. Yeah. So yeah, James Rogers

0:22:25.840 --> 0:22:29.439
<v Speaker 1>patent was really only had a tiny change to beans design,

0:22:30.040 --> 0:22:31.639
<v Speaker 1>and that was that the gears were kind of in

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<v Speaker 1>a different place and that allowed him to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to design a different needle that was shaped a little

0:22:37.760 --> 0:22:41.280
<v Speaker 1>more simply and would be easier to replicate um. And

0:22:41.359 --> 0:22:45.520
<v Speaker 1>so pretty much every patent that came after this used

0:22:45.840 --> 0:22:48.800
<v Speaker 1>this simpler set up that built on Bean's design, So

0:22:48.840 --> 0:22:51.959
<v Speaker 1>it really set a precedent here. But now we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to the star of the show. Okay, who's the star

0:22:54.240 --> 0:22:57.560
<v Speaker 1>of the show because not being a big sewing machine guy.

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<v Speaker 1>But you watch Schoolhouse Rock growing up? Right? I did?

0:23:02.040 --> 0:23:04.920
<v Speaker 1>He was in it? Was he? Yeah? In the Mother

0:23:05.000 --> 0:23:10.119
<v Speaker 1>Necessity episode, I'll have to go watch my DVDs. Alias

0:23:10.200 --> 0:23:13.239
<v Speaker 1>can you help me with my selling? So it's an

0:23:13.240 --> 0:23:17.680
<v Speaker 1>alias here we're talking about Elias how Jr. All right,

0:23:17.680 --> 0:23:19.399
<v Speaker 1>And there's even a play on his name where he

0:23:19.440 --> 0:23:22.160
<v Speaker 1>tells her he's gonna fix everything and she says Alias

0:23:22.200 --> 0:23:25.800
<v Speaker 1>how And it's very witty to the selling nerds, right,

0:23:26.440 --> 0:23:31.640
<v Speaker 1>all three of you, three of us. So Elias Howe

0:23:31.840 --> 0:23:37.080
<v Speaker 1>was born in Spencer, Massachusetts in eighteen nineteen. Uh and

0:23:37.320 --> 0:23:39.879
<v Speaker 1>when he was a teenager, he decided to go and

0:23:39.920 --> 0:23:42.639
<v Speaker 1>seek his fortune as a machinist, which was a brand

0:23:42.720 --> 0:23:45.840
<v Speaker 1>new job in the Industrial Revolution. Yeah, he was kind

0:23:45.840 --> 0:23:47.960
<v Speaker 1>of he had some bravado. He was not afraid of

0:23:48.080 --> 0:23:50.159
<v Speaker 1>kind of breaking out on his own and making his

0:23:50.200 --> 0:23:52.320
<v Speaker 1>way in the world. He certainly didn't appear to be

0:23:52.359 --> 0:23:55.040
<v Speaker 1>shy once we get into that, noars Now he was

0:23:55.080 --> 0:23:59.480
<v Speaker 1>a very smart man. Yeah, so he's going to he

0:23:59.600 --> 0:24:04.320
<v Speaker 1>ends up as a machinist. Overhearing some talk about the

0:24:04.400 --> 0:24:07.720
<v Speaker 1>idea of of a sewing machine and starts to kind

0:24:07.720 --> 0:24:12.920
<v Speaker 1>of apply his own ingenuity, how would I achieve this

0:24:13.000 --> 0:24:16.560
<v Speaker 1>sort of thing? So he's important to remember, yeah and

0:24:16.600 --> 0:24:18.919
<v Speaker 1>he um So he was granted the fifth U S

0:24:18.960 --> 0:24:22.639
<v Speaker 1>patent in September of eighteen forty six. And it's one

0:24:22.640 --> 0:24:24.320
<v Speaker 1>of those things that I have to laugh because every

0:24:24.359 --> 0:24:27.080
<v Speaker 1>year when September comes around, you see the today on

0:24:27.160 --> 0:24:29.800
<v Speaker 1>this day, Alias how invented the sewing machine, and I'm like,

0:24:29.840 --> 0:24:32.440
<v Speaker 1>back up the truck. Not entirely accurate, right, It's like

0:24:32.440 --> 0:24:34.720
<v Speaker 1>like you know, as An invented the light bulb, all right, No,

0:24:35.000 --> 0:24:38.080
<v Speaker 1>as an improved and it's not a Eureka moment where

0:24:38.119 --> 0:24:40.760
<v Speaker 1>it comes from nowhere, although he did sometimes say that

0:24:40.920 --> 0:24:44.200
<v Speaker 1>like he had it kind of fully universally on his own.

0:24:44.280 --> 0:24:47.920
<v Speaker 1>That's very tesla like to ya. Um. So, this was

0:24:48.000 --> 0:24:51.320
<v Speaker 1>patent number of four thousand, seven fifty in the United States,

0:24:51.400 --> 0:24:53.120
<v Speaker 1>you know the previous one we gave. The number two

0:24:53.200 --> 0:24:56.240
<v Speaker 1>was the British patent. So in both cases you see

0:24:56.640 --> 0:24:59.520
<v Speaker 1>that these are very very early on during the patent

0:24:59.560 --> 0:25:02.120
<v Speaker 1>offices existence. Yeah, they're numbering schemes were kind of neck

0:25:02.160 --> 0:25:03.840
<v Speaker 1>and neck in terms of where they were at in

0:25:03.960 --> 0:25:09.080
<v Speaker 1>terms of um uh accession order. UM. So this patent

0:25:09.160 --> 0:25:12.000
<v Speaker 1>was actually his second version of the machine that he patented.

0:25:12.040 --> 0:25:15.520
<v Speaker 1>He had another prototype a year before that was capable

0:25:15.560 --> 0:25:18.720
<v Speaker 1>of sewing, but he UM he fine tuned it a

0:25:18.800 --> 0:25:23.240
<v Speaker 1>little bit more. And house patent is very important because

0:25:23.680 --> 0:25:26.760
<v Speaker 1>it makes five very specific claims about how the machine

0:25:26.800 --> 0:25:29.879
<v Speaker 1>is going to work, and they come up a lot

0:25:30.880 --> 0:25:33.679
<v Speaker 1>in court battles like yeah, so this is where I

0:25:33.720 --> 0:25:36.480
<v Speaker 1>was talking about how you can make claims within a

0:25:36.520 --> 0:25:40.680
<v Speaker 1>patent and those claims will protect elements of your invention.

0:25:41.240 --> 0:25:47.199
<v Speaker 1>And claims can be everything from specific physical uh mechanical

0:25:47.880 --> 0:25:51.800
<v Speaker 1>ways that the machine works to UH specific method like

0:25:51.840 --> 0:25:55.840
<v Speaker 1>an implementation. We see that today in ways that are

0:25:55.960 --> 0:25:59.720
<v Speaker 1>are less um. They're they're more difficult to understand because

0:26:00.040 --> 0:26:02.840
<v Speaker 1>if you're talking about a physical machine, you can say

0:26:02.880 --> 0:26:05.439
<v Speaker 1>the physical machine does it in this way, and you

0:26:05.480 --> 0:26:08.200
<v Speaker 1>can see whether or not the machine is actually doing

0:26:08.200 --> 0:26:10.200
<v Speaker 1>it in that way. When we talk about today, we're

0:26:10.200 --> 0:26:14.320
<v Speaker 1>talking about stuff like you know, resizing images by pinching

0:26:14.520 --> 0:26:17.720
<v Speaker 1>or or moving your fingers further apart from each other,

0:26:18.240 --> 0:26:21.320
<v Speaker 1>and it starts to get a little wibbly wobbly time

0:26:21.359 --> 0:26:24.640
<v Speaker 1>you whiney when you are trying to say, oh, well,

0:26:24.640 --> 0:26:28.000
<v Speaker 1>this is this is a method that is unique that

0:26:28.119 --> 0:26:29.879
<v Speaker 1>I came up with, and no one else can use

0:26:29.920 --> 0:26:32.920
<v Speaker 1>it unless they come through me. That's uh, it's one

0:26:32.920 --> 0:26:35.480
<v Speaker 1>of those evolutions of the patent office that we're still

0:26:35.520 --> 0:26:39.320
<v Speaker 1>trying to kind of reconcile. Yeah, it's not all black

0:26:39.320 --> 0:26:41.240
<v Speaker 1>and white, which is why you get into these huge

0:26:41.240 --> 0:26:43.679
<v Speaker 1>battles and arguments and things go to court and you

0:26:43.720 --> 0:26:46.680
<v Speaker 1>hear about Apple having to pay money, but then Samsung

0:26:46.760 --> 0:26:49.399
<v Speaker 1>has to fail the money, right, Yeah, and sometimes it

0:26:49.520 --> 0:26:52.960
<v Speaker 1>just sometimes everyone just ends up like, well, let's just

0:26:53.040 --> 0:26:54.639
<v Speaker 1>all say we gave each other the money when we

0:26:54.640 --> 0:26:58.160
<v Speaker 1>were supposed to and call today. But anyway, there were

0:26:58.200 --> 0:27:01.080
<v Speaker 1>these five elements. Did you to cover any of them?

0:27:01.359 --> 0:27:03.600
<v Speaker 1>You have all of them written out here they are,

0:27:03.720 --> 0:27:05.879
<v Speaker 1>and they're written out long because I cut and pasted

0:27:05.920 --> 0:27:08.080
<v Speaker 1>it from another document, but I'll kind of do the

0:27:08.480 --> 0:27:11.959
<v Speaker 1>short version. So the first was he describes how he's

0:27:11.960 --> 0:27:15.119
<v Speaker 1>going to form a seam by using a curve needle

0:27:15.200 --> 0:27:18.359
<v Speaker 1>to go through the cloth and um a bobbin to

0:27:18.560 --> 0:27:21.800
<v Speaker 1>kind of connect to that and and make the stitch,

0:27:22.000 --> 0:27:24.840
<v Speaker 1>similar to how we've talked about before this to thread version.

0:27:25.400 --> 0:27:27.280
<v Speaker 1>The second is how the thread is going to get

0:27:27.280 --> 0:27:29.879
<v Speaker 1>lifted and pass through the needle eye. There's a lifting

0:27:29.960 --> 0:27:34.239
<v Speaker 1>rod involved. That's very important. The third is how the

0:27:34.280 --> 0:27:37.520
<v Speaker 1>thread is going to be passed out by the shuttles,

0:27:37.520 --> 0:27:38.959
<v Speaker 1>So it has a lot to do with the tension

0:27:39.040 --> 0:27:42.639
<v Speaker 1>and how it passes through at a consistent rate. The

0:27:42.720 --> 0:27:46.800
<v Speaker 1>fourth is um how a couple of levers go together

0:27:47.480 --> 0:27:51.199
<v Speaker 1>and enact. They're sort of mechanisms on the string or

0:27:51.240 --> 0:27:54.679
<v Speaker 1>the thread that's involved. And the fifth is how the

0:27:54.800 --> 0:27:59.000
<v Speaker 1>cloth is held in place by a baster plate, uh,

0:27:59.080 --> 0:28:01.679
<v Speaker 1>which is still a thing that happens like now, if

0:28:01.680 --> 0:28:04.080
<v Speaker 1>you drop your foot down on your machine, it's kind

0:28:04.080 --> 0:28:06.440
<v Speaker 1>of pressing the cloth onto the plate of your machine.

0:28:06.680 --> 0:28:08.399
<v Speaker 1>That's that keeps it from going just flying away when

0:28:08.400 --> 0:28:11.119
<v Speaker 1>you're trying to stitch on it right, very important as

0:28:11.119 --> 0:28:14.200
<v Speaker 1>I understand it, in the sewing process. Yes, most machines

0:28:14.200 --> 0:28:16.800
<v Speaker 1>made today won't won't stitch at all if you don't

0:28:16.840 --> 0:28:18.960
<v Speaker 1>have to press your foot down because they know they'll

0:28:19.000 --> 0:28:22.480
<v Speaker 1>just be wasting everyone's time. So how didn't meet with

0:28:22.760 --> 0:28:27.000
<v Speaker 1>immediate success with this design? Actually, he tried for a

0:28:27.040 --> 0:28:29.920
<v Speaker 1>while to get people here in the United States excited

0:28:29.920 --> 0:28:32.400
<v Speaker 1>about it, and no one seemed to really give him

0:28:32.480 --> 0:28:37.080
<v Speaker 1>much attention. So he ended up selling the patent rights

0:28:37.520 --> 0:28:40.880
<v Speaker 1>to a or at least the British patent rights, I

0:28:40.920 --> 0:28:44.920
<v Speaker 1>should say, to William Thomas, for the princely sum of

0:28:45.000 --> 0:28:49.640
<v Speaker 1>two fifty British pounds sterling. Uh and uh, I like

0:28:49.760 --> 0:28:51.880
<v Speaker 1>I like the other. Note here he also adapted his

0:28:51.960 --> 0:28:56.000
<v Speaker 1>machine to make umbrellas and corsets. That's fabulous, yeah, I

0:28:56.000 --> 0:28:59.440
<v Speaker 1>mean I'm in the market for both right now. So well,

0:28:59.440 --> 0:29:02.760
<v Speaker 1>when we talked about this on History, Tracy was saying,

0:29:02.760 --> 0:29:04.920
<v Speaker 1>I never thought about it before, but umbrella's, of course,

0:29:04.920 --> 0:29:07.760
<v Speaker 1>it's really are quite a lot alike. And that you know,

0:29:07.800 --> 0:29:10.960
<v Speaker 1>you have a casing and you have these rigid elements

0:29:11.000 --> 0:29:13.040
<v Speaker 1>that pass through it and hold it all in shape.

0:29:13.160 --> 0:29:14.920
<v Speaker 1>And at this point it would have been all steelbone,

0:29:14.920 --> 0:29:17.680
<v Speaker 1>course tree. So it was very similar to an umbrella, right,

0:29:17.800 --> 0:29:21.280
<v Speaker 1>except that the main difference, at least in my experience,

0:29:21.520 --> 0:29:25.080
<v Speaker 1>is that it's a relief to have an umbrella and

0:29:25.120 --> 0:29:27.280
<v Speaker 1>a relief to get rid of a corset. So don't

0:29:27.320 --> 0:29:29.000
<v Speaker 1>get it started. Of course, it's are good for you

0:29:29.040 --> 0:29:31.720
<v Speaker 1>if they're well fitted. They protect your back, they give

0:29:31.720 --> 0:29:34.400
<v Speaker 1>you a great posture. Those tight lasers are a whole

0:29:34.400 --> 0:29:37.320
<v Speaker 1>different universe. Yeah, I worked at the Georgia Renaissance Festival,

0:29:37.440 --> 0:29:42.440
<v Speaker 1>so I have a very specific experience of watching ladies. Know,

0:29:42.640 --> 0:29:46.440
<v Speaker 1>a good foundation courset will keep your clothes in place,

0:29:46.520 --> 0:29:48.680
<v Speaker 1>it holds up all those Victorian layers if it's a

0:29:48.720 --> 0:29:50.880
<v Speaker 1>Victorian courset. So I'm kind of going from the time

0:29:50.880 --> 0:29:54.080
<v Speaker 1>period we're talking about. They're they're not mystery torture devices.

0:29:54.160 --> 0:29:56.600
<v Speaker 1>Well really were not intended for that. You will clearly

0:29:56.640 --> 0:29:58.160
<v Speaker 1>need to have you come in and give a talk

0:29:58.960 --> 0:30:01.320
<v Speaker 1>because because those ladies, let me tell there is a

0:30:01.360 --> 0:30:04.320
<v Speaker 1>lot of technology and physics and a courset I'm either

0:30:04.400 --> 0:30:07.880
<v Speaker 1>got to support from below or from above. Its fabulous. Well,

0:30:07.960 --> 0:30:11.600
<v Speaker 1>moving on in the the evolution of the sewing machine,

0:30:11.640 --> 0:30:14.200
<v Speaker 1>we move up to eighteen forty eight and the sixth

0:30:14.400 --> 0:30:19.480
<v Speaker 1>US sewing machine patent from John A. Bradshaw, which was

0:30:19.520 --> 0:30:23.840
<v Speaker 1>a little bit snarky. Yeah, he talks about How's patent

0:30:23.920 --> 0:30:26.600
<v Speaker 1>design in his patent and kind of says that it's

0:30:26.600 --> 0:30:29.640
<v Speaker 1>bungling and it's an incumbrance to the action of the

0:30:29.680 --> 0:30:32.720
<v Speaker 1>machine when he talks about the needle. So not only

0:30:32.880 --> 0:30:36.920
<v Speaker 1>can How not get manufacturers interested in his device, he

0:30:37.000 --> 0:30:42.920
<v Speaker 1>has the next uh, patent uh petitioner completely dis him,

0:30:43.080 --> 0:30:46.080
<v Speaker 1>totally trash in his work. Even while he's building on it,

0:30:46.440 --> 0:30:48.360
<v Speaker 1>he's still kind of like he was onto something, but

0:30:48.440 --> 0:30:51.280
<v Speaker 1>I really have this thing figured out, Like okay, well

0:30:51.640 --> 0:30:53.840
<v Speaker 1>I can tell you why it didn't do great when

0:30:53.880 --> 0:30:58.360
<v Speaker 1>the manufacturers wonderful. So eighteen nine we get how coming

0:30:58.400 --> 0:31:01.760
<v Speaker 1>back to the United States, he had gone to England,

0:31:01.800 --> 0:31:05.240
<v Speaker 1>like we said to say, to sell the British patent off.

0:31:05.960 --> 0:31:08.800
<v Speaker 1>And when he comes back he sees that that that

0:31:08.920 --> 0:31:12.880
<v Speaker 1>what had been kind of a quiet, little tiny niche

0:31:12.920 --> 0:31:17.000
<v Speaker 1>industry was starting to take off. Yeah, the seventh patent

0:31:17.200 --> 0:31:19.600
<v Speaker 1>for the sowing machine have been issued to Charles Morey

0:31:19.600 --> 0:31:22.880
<v Speaker 1>and Joseph B. Johnson in eighteen forty nine, and they

0:31:22.920 --> 0:31:24.800
<v Speaker 1>were really some of the first two that were like,

0:31:24.880 --> 0:31:26.640
<v Speaker 1>we need to start selling this and making a bunch

0:31:26.680 --> 0:31:28.959
<v Speaker 1>of them. And even before they received their patent, they

0:31:28.960 --> 0:31:31.960
<v Speaker 1>were selling machines, which is perfectly fine. I mean, it's

0:31:32.000 --> 0:31:34.240
<v Speaker 1>not like you don't have to have a In fact,

0:31:34.240 --> 0:31:37.880
<v Speaker 1>you often we'll see today things like patent pending where

0:31:37.920 --> 0:31:41.800
<v Speaker 1>people are trying to capitalize on an idea because patent

0:31:41.960 --> 0:31:46.160
<v Speaker 1>applications and patent grants can take a long time, especially

0:31:46.200 --> 0:31:51.000
<v Speaker 1>today now that you have uh, you know, an exponentially

0:31:51.160 --> 0:31:53.959
<v Speaker 1>larger number of applications coming into the patent office than

0:31:53.960 --> 0:31:57.560
<v Speaker 1>you did way back in the mid eighteen hundreds. Yeah,

0:31:57.600 --> 0:32:00.160
<v Speaker 1>there were some other people that were trying to improve

0:32:00.240 --> 0:32:03.960
<v Speaker 1>on more and Johnson's machine in the middle of eighteen

0:32:04.040 --> 0:32:06.360
<v Speaker 1>forty nine. So that same year they got their patent,

0:32:07.520 --> 0:32:09.560
<v Speaker 1>there was a man named Jotham s Conan, and he

0:32:09.680 --> 0:32:13.680
<v Speaker 1>was issued a patent based on a modification he made

0:32:13.680 --> 0:32:15.800
<v Speaker 1>to their machine, which just kind of altered the way

0:32:15.800 --> 0:32:18.200
<v Speaker 1>that the cloth was held during the stitching. But his

0:32:18.360 --> 0:32:20.920
<v Speaker 1>never really went anywhere. He didn't manufacture, he didn't sell.

0:32:22.840 --> 0:32:26.400
<v Speaker 1>But that same day that he got his patent, another

0:32:26.440 --> 0:32:30.320
<v Speaker 1>important person was getting a patent, John Batch Elder. So yeah,

0:32:30.360 --> 0:32:34.480
<v Speaker 1>this was the continuous sewing mechanism and at an endless

0:32:34.560 --> 0:32:38.160
<v Speaker 1>belt to feed the cloth into the machine. Yeah, thank you, John,

0:32:40.640 --> 0:32:43.240
<v Speaker 1>to make sure that you don't have to put in

0:32:43.280 --> 0:32:46.160
<v Speaker 1>all that work yourself. Yeah, But the really important thing

0:32:46.240 --> 0:32:49.200
<v Speaker 1>is who Batch Older sold his patent too. And here

0:32:49.240 --> 0:32:53.520
<v Speaker 1>we come up to the first name in this podcast

0:32:54.200 --> 0:33:00.440
<v Speaker 1>that I recognize. I am Singer the Singer sewing machine.

0:33:00.760 --> 0:33:04.240
<v Speaker 1>Everybody knows that one. Well, I mean you know, my

0:33:04.240 --> 0:33:08.680
<v Speaker 1>my my grandmother and my my mom both had singer

0:33:08.720 --> 0:33:11.360
<v Speaker 1>sewing machines. In fact that there's the both of them

0:33:11.360 --> 0:33:14.040
<v Speaker 1>still exist. And my parents it's us it's like a

0:33:14.040 --> 0:33:17.240
<v Speaker 1>little uh table that's next to the front door of

0:33:17.280 --> 0:33:20.880
<v Speaker 1>their house. But it's an old singer sewing machine that

0:33:20.880 --> 0:33:25.200
<v Speaker 1>that's operated by by pedal. Uh So, yeah, it's that's

0:33:25.240 --> 0:33:28.160
<v Speaker 1>the one of those names that I think most people

0:33:28.160 --> 0:33:30.720
<v Speaker 1>associate it with sewing pretty quick. Yeah, yeah, because I

0:33:30.720 --> 0:33:33.520
<v Speaker 1>mean it's still a name. So yep, they're still making.

0:33:33.560 --> 0:33:35.560
<v Speaker 1>You don't hear about a lot of how machines these days,

0:33:35.640 --> 0:33:37.920
<v Speaker 1>but the singers still going. So now we're to the

0:33:38.000 --> 0:33:41.000
<v Speaker 1>argument phase. We finally reached the point now where things

0:33:41.040 --> 0:33:44.000
<v Speaker 1>have come to ahead. We've got the the snippy little

0:33:44.040 --> 0:33:47.680
<v Speaker 1>patent applications out of the way. Now it's time to

0:33:47.760 --> 0:33:53.160
<v Speaker 1>really get down to fisticuffs legally speaking. And uh, it's

0:33:53.800 --> 0:33:57.800
<v Speaker 1>the eighteen fifties where we get that first enormous patent war.

0:33:58.200 --> 0:33:59.840
<v Speaker 1>And it all has to do with the fact that

0:34:00.640 --> 0:34:04.240
<v Speaker 1>these different little elements that have been improved upon over time,

0:34:04.360 --> 0:34:07.200
<v Speaker 1>there were a lot of arguments about who actually had

0:34:07.240 --> 0:34:12.600
<v Speaker 1>ownership of those ideas and in what implementations and who

0:34:12.719 --> 0:34:15.800
<v Speaker 1>was owed money by whom? And it got ugly, really

0:34:15.840 --> 0:34:19.520
<v Speaker 1>really ugly. So there was a a man by the

0:34:19.600 --> 0:34:22.240
<v Speaker 1>name of Allan B. Wilson, and he in eighteen fifty

0:34:22.320 --> 0:34:25.759
<v Speaker 1>was working on this lockstitch machine very similar to the

0:34:25.760 --> 0:34:30.000
<v Speaker 1>modern machine, and his mechanism could also go forward and backwards,

0:34:30.080 --> 0:34:33.480
<v Speaker 1>which we had not encountered before. Uh. And he applied

0:34:33.520 --> 0:34:35.800
<v Speaker 1>for his patent. He had made a second prototype model,

0:34:36.320 --> 0:34:38.600
<v Speaker 1>and the people that owned the brand shop patent from

0:34:38.640 --> 0:34:41.400
<v Speaker 1>eight got wind of this and we're like, hold on

0:34:41.440 --> 0:34:45.040
<v Speaker 1>a minute, Portovore. Uh, we owned some of the concepts

0:34:45.080 --> 0:34:47.720
<v Speaker 1>you're using. The double pointed shuttle that made up a

0:34:47.719 --> 0:34:49.960
<v Speaker 1>part of his machine was something that was part of

0:34:50.000 --> 0:34:55.040
<v Speaker 1>their patent, uh, they claimed, And that claim was not accurate.

0:34:55.120 --> 0:34:58.600
<v Speaker 1>It was complete bunk. So however, they think, well, let's

0:34:58.640 --> 0:35:01.880
<v Speaker 1>throw a wrench into this one. However, they had dollars

0:35:01.960 --> 0:35:04.879
<v Speaker 1>and Wilson didn't, so he could not fight them. So

0:35:05.200 --> 0:35:09.200
<v Speaker 1>we get down to using the old idea of well,

0:35:09.360 --> 0:35:12.840
<v Speaker 1>if if we can't, if we can't suppress this idea,

0:35:13.040 --> 0:35:14.839
<v Speaker 1>one way, we can just kind of run them out

0:35:14.840 --> 0:35:18.760
<v Speaker 1>because we've got we've got a larger reserve of cash. Yes,

0:35:19.800 --> 0:35:22.360
<v Speaker 1>so uh, he had to give up half of his

0:35:22.480 --> 0:35:25.080
<v Speaker 1>claim to A P. Kline and Edward Lee, who at

0:35:25.080 --> 0:35:28.640
<v Speaker 1>that point held the Bradshaw patent, and that was in

0:35:29.040 --> 0:35:32.560
<v Speaker 1>late fifty in November, and then after a little while

0:35:32.600 --> 0:35:34.279
<v Speaker 1>he just sold them the rest of his interest. He

0:35:34.280 --> 0:35:36.799
<v Speaker 1>didn't want to mess with it anymore. He retained very

0:35:36.800 --> 0:35:40.000
<v Speaker 1>limited rights. That's a very sad story there where essentially

0:35:40.000 --> 0:35:43.000
<v Speaker 1>he was beaten down. Yeah, he really had the goods

0:35:43.080 --> 0:35:46.080
<v Speaker 1>in terms of his invention to have been the singer

0:35:46.120 --> 0:35:49.520
<v Speaker 1>of this story in terms of name recognition, but because

0:35:49.560 --> 0:35:51.560
<v Speaker 1>he just didn't have the means to fight anybody that

0:35:51.600 --> 0:35:54.560
<v Speaker 1>made a claim against him and vanished into history and

0:35:54.600 --> 0:35:57.959
<v Speaker 1>to upsalted to the wound, they would use his name

0:35:58.280 --> 0:36:02.840
<v Speaker 1>in official advertisement. Yeah, people recognize that he had invented

0:36:02.920 --> 0:36:06.439
<v Speaker 1>something really pretty exciting because it could do these things

0:36:06.440 --> 0:36:10.040
<v Speaker 1>that previous machines couldn't, And so their advertisements went A B.

0:36:10.160 --> 0:36:13.760
<v Speaker 1>Wilson's sewing Machine, the best and only practical sewing machine,

0:36:14.280 --> 0:36:17.160
<v Speaker 1>not larger than a ladies workbox, for the trifling sum

0:36:17.239 --> 0:36:21.120
<v Speaker 1>of thirty five dollars. So not only does he not

0:36:21.239 --> 0:36:24.640
<v Speaker 1>get the benefit of actually owning this device that he invented,

0:36:25.280 --> 0:36:28.120
<v Speaker 1>he then has the indignity of having his name used

0:36:28.160 --> 0:36:31.319
<v Speaker 1>in the advertising while this other company makes money off

0:36:31.320 --> 0:36:34.480
<v Speaker 1>of it. Yeah, he really did get shafted. So meanwhile,

0:36:34.480 --> 0:36:38.480
<v Speaker 1>we've got to lie as How who He's no dummy, No,

0:36:38.680 --> 0:36:41.520
<v Speaker 1>he's witnessing this and realizing some stuff is going down.

0:36:42.760 --> 0:36:45.359
<v Speaker 1>Maybe I need to kind of circle my little my

0:36:45.440 --> 0:36:49.239
<v Speaker 1>proverbial wagons here. So he decides that he's going to

0:36:49.280 --> 0:36:53.160
<v Speaker 1>protect the rights to royalties from his inventions. Uh, and

0:36:53.440 --> 0:36:58.360
<v Speaker 1>anything that could trace elements of the products being sold

0:36:58.360 --> 0:37:01.040
<v Speaker 1>back to one of his patent right, Yeah, and from

0:37:01.040 --> 0:37:04.520
<v Speaker 1>the Branshaw model on. They really were working on How's

0:37:04.719 --> 0:37:08.839
<v Speaker 1>machine and kind of making twee tweaks to that. Uh.

0:37:08.880 --> 0:37:11.760
<v Speaker 1>And then he really got angry because he saw Isaac

0:37:11.800 --> 0:37:16.959
<v Speaker 1>Singer's one of Isaac Singer's sons demonstrating their sewing machine. Yeah,

0:37:17.160 --> 0:37:20.520
<v Speaker 1>and uh he said, huh, some of these elements look

0:37:20.560 --> 0:37:24.600
<v Speaker 1>awfully familiar. So of course he ends up doing the

0:37:24.640 --> 0:37:29.440
<v Speaker 1>responsible thing, you know. He contacts Singer and says, um, actually,

0:37:29.480 --> 0:37:32.680
<v Speaker 1>I own the patent for this this machinery, this particular

0:37:32.840 --> 0:37:36.880
<v Speaker 1>piece that you're using, and so by law, um, I

0:37:36.880 --> 0:37:40.400
<v Speaker 1>should really receive a royalty payment because you're you're using

0:37:40.440 --> 0:37:45.160
<v Speaker 1>it in your device and otherwise not not compensating me

0:37:45.280 --> 0:37:48.480
<v Speaker 1>for it, and so um, I'd really like that two

0:37:48.520 --> 0:37:51.560
<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars you owe me, and Singer, being the very

0:37:51.680 --> 0:37:59.600
<v Speaker 1>level headed professional businessman, uh, decided to um physically threaten How. Yeah.

0:38:00.040 --> 0:38:02.680
<v Speaker 1>He Singer was known for having a really bad temper.

0:38:02.840 --> 0:38:06.040
<v Speaker 1>He did some really seedy things just in business outside

0:38:06.040 --> 0:38:08.239
<v Speaker 1>of this, and when it came to this, there was

0:38:08.280 --> 0:38:11.719
<v Speaker 1>one incident where he allegedly threatened and nearly threw how

0:38:11.800 --> 0:38:15.359
<v Speaker 1>down the steps outside his office. Like there were fisticuffs.

0:38:15.360 --> 0:38:18.640
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't just yelling and through lawyers, they were physically

0:38:20.000 --> 0:38:22.160
<v Speaker 1>I get the feeling that Singer is very much like

0:38:23.160 --> 0:38:27.080
<v Speaker 1>the character from from Parts of the Caribbean who just says,

0:38:27.160 --> 0:38:32.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, they're more like guidelines. It's he's he's not

0:38:32.239 --> 0:38:35.880
<v Speaker 1>not really one to necessarily be too concerned with the

0:38:35.960 --> 0:38:39.120
<v Speaker 1>actual rules of law. You know that actor that plays

0:38:39.200 --> 0:38:42.280
<v Speaker 1>Jackomi Gibb would make a great Isaac Singer. He would.

0:38:42.840 --> 0:38:45.600
<v Speaker 1>But How did a super smart thing. This is where

0:38:45.600 --> 0:38:49.680
<v Speaker 1>we really realized that this man was just really smart

0:38:49.719 --> 0:38:53.520
<v Speaker 1>and very widely so. He like some of these previous

0:38:53.560 --> 0:38:56.200
<v Speaker 1>sad stories, really didn't have a lot of money to

0:38:56.440 --> 0:39:00.000
<v Speaker 1>get into a lot of legal battles, but he figured

0:39:00.000 --> 0:39:02.600
<v Speaker 1>is not a way to finance some litigation. He sells

0:39:02.640 --> 0:39:04.839
<v Speaker 1>half of his interest in his patent to a man

0:39:04.960 --> 0:39:09.680
<v Speaker 1>named George Bliss, and Bliss manufactured machines. He built them

0:39:09.680 --> 0:39:12.840
<v Speaker 1>as being House patent, even though they were pretty different

0:39:12.840 --> 0:39:15.520
<v Speaker 1>from House initial design. But the money that How made

0:39:15.520 --> 0:39:18.840
<v Speaker 1>off of this partnership was basically put into his litigation

0:39:18.880 --> 0:39:22.040
<v Speaker 1>machine and he just started fighting people. Oh got you so,

0:39:22.040 --> 0:39:24.040
<v Speaker 1>So what he was doing was he had made this partnership.

0:39:24.040 --> 0:39:26.360
<v Speaker 1>He was making money off the partnership. Bliss is making

0:39:26.719 --> 0:39:30.000
<v Speaker 1>money because of How's name. How is making money because

0:39:30.040 --> 0:39:32.560
<v Speaker 1>of the partnership with Bliss. He ends up spending that

0:39:32.600 --> 0:39:36.480
<v Speaker 1>money directly on lawyers to attack people who are actually

0:39:36.719 --> 0:39:40.080
<v Speaker 1>infringing upon his patents. Yeah, he went after Singer with

0:39:40.160 --> 0:39:42.480
<v Speaker 1>great vigor, But there were a lot of other people

0:39:42.520 --> 0:39:45.399
<v Speaker 1>that were also in this mix. Uh, two of them

0:39:45.600 --> 0:39:47.840
<v Speaker 1>Laroux and Blodgett. That we're a pair, that we're making

0:39:48.280 --> 0:39:52.520
<v Speaker 1>a firm, that we're making machines that he thought infringed.

0:39:52.760 --> 0:39:55.560
<v Speaker 1>There was actually a judgment in that case in House

0:39:55.600 --> 0:39:57.839
<v Speaker 1>favor that was the first one to be settled and

0:39:57.920 --> 0:40:00.239
<v Speaker 1>once it, it was like the first of the doma knows,

0:40:00.280 --> 0:40:02.200
<v Speaker 1>because then everybody else kind of panicked. It went, oh, wow,

0:40:02.239 --> 0:40:03.960
<v Speaker 1>he really has a case. Right. When you've got a

0:40:04.000 --> 0:40:08.040
<v Speaker 1>precedent set like that, then the it becomes clear that's

0:40:08.040 --> 0:40:11.160
<v Speaker 1>going to get harder and harder to win a case. Uh,

0:40:11.200 --> 0:40:13.680
<v Speaker 1>you know when a defense against such a claim. If

0:40:13.680 --> 0:40:15.799
<v Speaker 1>a claim has already been held up in court in

0:40:15.880 --> 0:40:18.520
<v Speaker 1>one instance, then the fear is that it will be

0:40:18.600 --> 0:40:21.400
<v Speaker 1>the same in future ones. And it's cheaper to settle

0:40:22.080 --> 0:40:25.080
<v Speaker 1>it is to go through the process and then maybe

0:40:25.120 --> 0:40:28.920
<v Speaker 1>have to be forced to hand over a larger reward

0:40:29.480 --> 0:40:32.280
<v Speaker 1>in a court decision. Yeah, and how is basically happy

0:40:32.320 --> 0:40:36.040
<v Speaker 1>to any settlements be like, okay, let's set up a license.

0:40:36.280 --> 0:40:38.640
<v Speaker 1>Like he was willing to deal with them. It wasn't

0:40:38.680 --> 0:40:41.120
<v Speaker 1>like he wanted to prevent other people from making their machine.

0:40:41.200 --> 0:40:44.799
<v Speaker 1>This is very different from today when we were talking

0:40:44.800 --> 0:40:47.000
<v Speaker 1>about similarities. But today we got a lot of what

0:40:47.040 --> 0:40:49.759
<v Speaker 1>we call them patentrols. These are the folks who will

0:40:50.000 --> 0:40:53.040
<v Speaker 1>get a patent and then either they don't make anything

0:40:53.080 --> 0:40:55.520
<v Speaker 1>on their own, or they make something very very tiny,

0:40:55.600 --> 0:40:57.480
<v Speaker 1>and then they just kind of sit around and wait

0:40:57.520 --> 0:41:01.040
<v Speaker 1>for folks to infringe upon them. They threatened litigation in

0:41:01.120 --> 0:41:05.040
<v Speaker 1>hopes of a settlement. Um. But but what a lot

0:41:05.080 --> 0:41:08.000
<v Speaker 1>of people have said about the recent patent wars is

0:41:08.040 --> 0:41:12.560
<v Speaker 1>that the patent system needs to create an incentive for

0:41:12.800 --> 0:41:16.320
<v Speaker 1>patent holders to license their ideas for royalties, which is

0:41:16.360 --> 0:41:19.120
<v Speaker 1>exactly what hal was doing back in this day. Yeah.

0:41:19.239 --> 0:41:21.239
<v Speaker 1>I mean he really saw the benefit of like, hey,

0:41:21.320 --> 0:41:22.799
<v Speaker 1>it would be a pain in the took us for

0:41:22.840 --> 0:41:24.880
<v Speaker 1>me to set up my own manufacturing plant and be

0:41:25.200 --> 0:41:27.359
<v Speaker 1>churning these out. But all these people are already set up.

0:41:27.400 --> 0:41:30.640
<v Speaker 1>I can just cut deals with them. Everybody wins. Yeah,

0:41:31.040 --> 0:41:33.480
<v Speaker 1>except not so much. No, No, I got it got

0:41:33.560 --> 0:41:38.240
<v Speaker 1>ugly again. Apparently Singer was not done. Yeah, he didn't settle,

0:41:38.680 --> 0:41:41.919
<v Speaker 1>and so that case dragged on. Yeah, and it got

0:41:42.360 --> 0:41:45.760
<v Speaker 1>ugly in public. To write you got this great little

0:41:45.760 --> 0:41:50.000
<v Speaker 1>story about to to advertisements that ran on the same

0:41:50.080 --> 0:41:52.879
<v Speaker 1>page of the New York Daily Tribune, but tell very

0:41:52.880 --> 0:41:57.840
<v Speaker 1>different stories. Yeah, the first one reads the sewing machine.

0:41:58.120 --> 0:42:00.879
<v Speaker 1>It has been recently decided by the United States Court

0:42:00.920 --> 0:42:04.560
<v Speaker 1>that Elias how Junior of number three zero five Broadway

0:42:04.640 --> 0:42:07.840
<v Speaker 1>was the originator of the sewing machine now extensively used

0:42:08.239 --> 0:42:10.319
<v Speaker 1>call at his office and see forty of them in

0:42:10.400 --> 0:42:14.120
<v Speaker 1>constant use upon cloth, whether, etcetera, and judge for yourselves

0:42:14.120 --> 0:42:17.520
<v Speaker 1>as to their practicality. Also see a certified copy from

0:42:17.560 --> 0:42:19.960
<v Speaker 1>the records of the United States Court of the injunction

0:42:20.080 --> 0:42:24.840
<v Speaker 1>against Singers machine so called, which is conclusive. You that

0:42:24.920 --> 0:42:27.480
<v Speaker 1>want sewing machines be cautious how you purchase them of

0:42:27.520 --> 0:42:30.799
<v Speaker 1>others than him or those licensed under him, else the

0:42:30.880 --> 0:42:33.920
<v Speaker 1>law will compel you to pay twice over. Meanwhile, we

0:42:34.040 --> 0:42:40.240
<v Speaker 1>have the other advertisement sewing machines. For the last two years,

0:42:40.280 --> 0:42:43.880
<v Speaker 1>Elias how Junior of Massachusetts, has been threatening suits and

0:42:43.920 --> 0:42:47.680
<v Speaker 1>injunctions against all the world who make, use or sells

0:42:47.719 --> 0:42:52.200
<v Speaker 1>sewing machines. We have sold many machines, are selling them rapidly,

0:42:52.480 --> 0:42:55.600
<v Speaker 1>and have good right to sell them. The public do

0:42:55.680 --> 0:42:59.440
<v Speaker 1>not acknowledge Mr Howe's pretensions, and for the best reasons.

0:42:59.600 --> 0:43:03.200
<v Speaker 1>One machines made according to House patent are of no

0:43:03.280 --> 0:43:06.799
<v Speaker 1>practical use. He tried several years without being able to

0:43:06.800 --> 0:43:11.080
<v Speaker 1>introduce one. Too. It is notorious, especially in New York,

0:43:11.320 --> 0:43:14.440
<v Speaker 1>that how was not the original inventor of the machine

0:43:14.480 --> 0:43:17.480
<v Speaker 1>combining the needle and shuttle, and that his claim to

0:43:17.640 --> 0:43:22.399
<v Speaker 1>that is not valid. Finally, we make and sell the

0:43:22.440 --> 0:43:28.640
<v Speaker 1>best sewing machines. So yeah, there's um, there's some vitriolic

0:43:29.320 --> 0:43:32.360
<v Speaker 1>I love how It's it's like a sewing machine telenovela.

0:43:33.680 --> 0:43:35.600
<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of soap opera going on here. And

0:43:35.640 --> 0:43:39.120
<v Speaker 1>to make it even more soap opera ish, How went

0:43:39.160 --> 0:43:42.040
<v Speaker 1>after Singer for libel. But he also went after the

0:43:42.040 --> 0:43:44.680
<v Speaker 1>New York Daily Tribune for printing his advertisement in the

0:43:44.719 --> 0:43:48.720
<v Speaker 1>first place. So we now have How going after Singer

0:43:48.800 --> 0:43:52.759
<v Speaker 1>both for patent infringement and for libel. Yeah, fantastic, just

0:43:52.840 --> 0:43:56.000
<v Speaker 1>to make their relationship that much more delightful and huggy.

0:43:56.080 --> 0:43:59.799
<v Speaker 1>So at this point Singer, Singer wakes up and just

0:44:00.040 --> 0:44:02.880
<v Speaker 1>as you know, you know you were right, I was wrong,

0:44:02.920 --> 0:44:05.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm gonna be the bigger man walk away right,

0:44:05.080 --> 0:44:08.399
<v Speaker 1>not even a little. He instead just kind of goes

0:44:08.480 --> 0:44:11.000
<v Speaker 1>into a rage suitable to be played only by Daniel

0:44:11.040 --> 0:44:18.080
<v Speaker 1>day Lewis. Besides, he's going to destroy How totally. He

0:44:18.200 --> 0:44:21.799
<v Speaker 1>decides he is going to seek out every scrap of

0:44:21.840 --> 0:44:25.000
<v Speaker 1>evidence on earth. He even sought out sources in Europe

0:44:25.000 --> 0:44:31.520
<v Speaker 1>and China to prove that house design was not original. Uh.

0:44:31.560 --> 0:44:35.080
<v Speaker 1>And the key here is that the wording in House

0:44:35.120 --> 0:44:38.880
<v Speaker 1>patent was really his protection because he had patented the

0:44:38.960 --> 0:44:41.480
<v Speaker 1>combination of the shuttle and the one I and the

0:44:41.520 --> 0:44:44.640
<v Speaker 1>I pointed needle and how they would work together. But

0:44:44.719 --> 0:44:47.759
<v Speaker 1>he never claimed to have invented either of those elements,

0:44:48.239 --> 0:44:51.120
<v Speaker 1>and so his patent remained accurate and correct and not

0:44:51.200 --> 0:44:53.920
<v Speaker 1>infringing on anyone else because he didn't say I invented

0:44:53.960 --> 0:44:57.239
<v Speaker 1>the needle sho. He said I invented this combination of

0:44:57.280 --> 0:45:00.400
<v Speaker 1>these two elements that work in this particular way, and

0:45:00.480 --> 0:45:05.080
<v Speaker 1>that is completely valid patent law. So again, if you

0:45:05.120 --> 0:45:08.359
<v Speaker 1>come up with a new way to use existing technology

0:45:08.400 --> 0:45:12.240
<v Speaker 1>that you can claim as an improvement over others, there's

0:45:12.239 --> 0:45:14.719
<v Speaker 1>nothing stopping you from getting a patent on that. Yeah,

0:45:14.880 --> 0:45:17.279
<v Speaker 1>you can patent an interaction of things. They don't have

0:45:17.360 --> 0:45:22.080
<v Speaker 1>to be physical things necessarily. However, if you remember back

0:45:22.080 --> 0:45:24.560
<v Speaker 1>when we talked about Walter Hunt, who was the guy

0:45:24.600 --> 0:45:27.319
<v Speaker 1>who invented a pretty workable sewing machine but then kind

0:45:27.320 --> 0:45:29.880
<v Speaker 1>of sold it off and abandoned it, Yeah, he never

0:45:29.920 --> 0:45:34.279
<v Speaker 1>he never patented his particular idea. Singer found him, of course,

0:45:34.360 --> 0:45:36.480
<v Speaker 1>because he thought that was his best shot at bringing

0:45:36.480 --> 0:45:38.560
<v Speaker 1>How down and showing that HOW is not in fact

0:45:38.560 --> 0:45:42.120
<v Speaker 1>the first person to invent a working sewing machine. So

0:45:43.560 --> 0:45:48.000
<v Speaker 1>he I guess he just wanted to retroactively magically get

0:45:47.640 --> 0:45:52.080
<v Speaker 1>a precursor patent that couldn't have existed because William Hunt

0:45:52.080 --> 0:45:55.080
<v Speaker 1>never patented his detention. That is exactly what he tried

0:45:55.120 --> 0:45:59.520
<v Speaker 1>to do. So this this reminds me. I mean, they're

0:45:59.520 --> 0:46:02.279
<v Speaker 1>they're in tire books written about some of the more

0:46:02.400 --> 0:46:05.440
<v Speaker 1>ridiculous things that have happened in patent law around the world,

0:46:05.560 --> 0:46:08.719
<v Speaker 1>but particularly in the United States. So another good example

0:46:08.880 --> 0:46:13.480
<v Speaker 1>of some shenanigans that went on with patents involves Tesla

0:46:13.520 --> 0:46:17.640
<v Speaker 1>and Radio. Because Tesla was awarded the patent the United

0:46:17.680 --> 0:46:22.080
<v Speaker 1>States uh the same year that Marconi actually filed for

0:46:22.200 --> 0:46:24.640
<v Speaker 1>a patent. In fact, he received the patent a month

0:46:24.680 --> 0:46:27.360
<v Speaker 1>before or two months before Marconi had filed for a

0:46:27.400 --> 0:46:31.080
<v Speaker 1>patent in the US, and then famously, several years later

0:46:31.280 --> 0:46:35.520
<v Speaker 1>the Patent Office awarded they went back on their decision,

0:46:35.719 --> 0:46:39.239
<v Speaker 1>took the patent away from Tesla and awarded it to Marconi.

0:46:39.760 --> 0:46:44.200
<v Speaker 1>So even though that happens later, you know this this

0:46:44.520 --> 0:46:47.799
<v Speaker 1>the events we're talking about here are earlier in the timeline.

0:46:48.760 --> 0:46:51.120
<v Speaker 1>It's not unusual for us to see these kind of

0:46:51.160 --> 0:46:55.759
<v Speaker 1>crazy political dealings. Yeah, and again remembered, Uh, you know,

0:46:56.200 --> 0:46:58.600
<v Speaker 1>this wasn't a time when everything was duplicated and there

0:46:58.680 --> 0:47:01.479
<v Speaker 1>was a trail of what had happened, when it would

0:47:01.520 --> 0:47:04.160
<v Speaker 1>be easy to fudge things. So it's it's reasonable that

0:47:04.280 --> 0:47:06.359
<v Speaker 1>Singer could think that he was going to finagle something

0:47:06.360 --> 0:47:09.360
<v Speaker 1>out of this. So what what happens due to this

0:47:09.360 --> 0:47:14.400
<v Speaker 1>this claim? Well, first Singer hires an engineer, William Whiting, uh,

0:47:14.640 --> 0:47:18.319
<v Speaker 1>to basically help resurrect Hunt's designs. He's gonna go back

0:47:18.320 --> 0:47:21.120
<v Speaker 1>to those original blueprints and schematics and he's going to

0:47:21.200 --> 0:47:23.760
<v Speaker 1>build it to prove that this one works and it's great,

0:47:24.320 --> 0:47:31.920
<v Speaker 1>and how you got nothing? Uh? And uh. The Scientific

0:47:31.960 --> 0:47:35.000
<v Speaker 1>American at the time, as this was all bubbling up,

0:47:35.040 --> 0:47:41.400
<v Speaker 1>actually published a pretty uh scathing article about Hunt, asserting

0:47:41.480 --> 0:47:43.239
<v Speaker 1>because he was like, oh yeah, I did invent the

0:47:43.239 --> 0:47:45.120
<v Speaker 1>sewing machine. Now that he sees that there's money in

0:47:45.160 --> 0:47:47.799
<v Speaker 1>it and this is a litigious thing, they basically said

0:47:47.800 --> 0:47:50.480
<v Speaker 1>that his claims were rusty, He didn't he had no

0:47:50.760 --> 0:47:54.359
<v Speaker 1>hat in this game, Like what was he trying to do? Basis? Really?

0:47:55.080 --> 0:47:58.080
<v Speaker 1>But there was a trial at the patent office. There

0:47:58.080 --> 0:48:00.640
<v Speaker 1>were hundreds of pages of testing mony I mean it

0:48:00.680 --> 0:48:03.520
<v Speaker 1>went on forever. Singer dragged everybody in that he could

0:48:03.560 --> 0:48:06.560
<v Speaker 1>think of that had ever touched anything that vaguely resembled

0:48:06.560 --> 0:48:11.280
<v Speaker 1>the sewing machine. UM Patent Commissioner Charles Mason, though, ruled

0:48:11.280 --> 0:48:15.279
<v Speaker 1>in favor of Elias Howe on eighteen fifty four, and

0:48:15.360 --> 0:48:18.040
<v Speaker 1>the big part of Hunt's loss, even though he really

0:48:18.040 --> 0:48:20.160
<v Speaker 1>did have a pretty good working machine, was that he

0:48:20.239 --> 0:48:24.920
<v Speaker 1>didn't do anything to patent or protected eighteen years prior. So, uh,

0:48:25.400 --> 0:48:28.120
<v Speaker 1>the patent office can't can't rule in favor of someone

0:48:28.160 --> 0:48:32.000
<v Speaker 1>who hasn't actually gone through the process. Yeah, yeah, the commissioners,

0:48:32.120 --> 0:48:33.839
<v Speaker 1>what are you trying to do? You didn't You don't

0:48:33.880 --> 0:48:36.759
<v Speaker 1>have these rights. Hunt did try to appeal to the

0:48:36.760 --> 0:48:39.680
<v Speaker 1>Circuit Court of the District of Columbia, but that did

0:48:39.719 --> 0:48:43.880
<v Speaker 1>not go so well either. Mason's ruling was upheld. So

0:48:43.920 --> 0:48:51.200
<v Speaker 1>then how emboldened by this victory, decides to start going

0:48:51.239 --> 0:48:54.880
<v Speaker 1>after other people that he has has perceived as infringing

0:48:54.880 --> 0:48:57.840
<v Speaker 1>against his patents. Yep, everybody that was selling a Singer

0:48:57.880 --> 0:49:01.800
<v Speaker 1>machine he went after. Wow, that was a lot of people. Yeah,

0:49:01.800 --> 0:49:05.239
<v Speaker 1>and he asked for preliminary injunctions against all of them

0:49:05.320 --> 0:49:07.680
<v Speaker 1>to shut down sales. While they went through their court cases.

0:49:08.120 --> 0:49:12.400
<v Speaker 1>So he goes through this process, bringing it all the

0:49:12.440 --> 0:49:19.320
<v Speaker 1>way to courts when necessary. Um and the they what

0:49:20.080 --> 0:49:22.200
<v Speaker 1>the poor singer at this point, not not really poor

0:49:22.239 --> 0:49:24.919
<v Speaker 1>singer because he's kind of a jerk, but but you've

0:49:24.920 --> 0:49:27.040
<v Speaker 1>got you've got how going after the people who are

0:49:27.040 --> 0:49:30.759
<v Speaker 1>selling singer sewing machines, are incorporating them. Then what they're

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<v Speaker 1>doing instead, you know, they get attacked by how they

0:49:33.000 --> 0:49:36.800
<v Speaker 1>turned around. They attack singers saying, you got us into this. Yeah,

0:49:36.840 --> 0:49:38.920
<v Speaker 1>you had no right to sell us the licenses that

0:49:39.000 --> 0:49:40.799
<v Speaker 1>you sold us because you didn't have a right to it.

0:49:41.080 --> 0:49:44.520
<v Speaker 1>You didn't own the technology that you were licensing to us,

0:49:44.560 --> 0:49:49.839
<v Speaker 1>and and that's why we're in trouble. So sous by

0:49:49.920 --> 0:49:52.839
<v Speaker 1>eighteen fifty four. Keep in mind this started in the

0:49:53.080 --> 0:49:56.239
<v Speaker 1>in the eighteen fifty By eighteen fifty four, Singer and

0:49:56.320 --> 0:50:00.880
<v Speaker 1>how set all their lawsuit and it's announced in Scientific American.

0:50:00.960 --> 0:50:04.680
<v Speaker 1>This is a big deal. Yeah, this is not tiny news.

0:50:04.719 --> 0:50:07.080
<v Speaker 1>This is like, this is just like when you go

0:50:07.160 --> 0:50:09.719
<v Speaker 1>on to Google News and you see like Samsung and

0:50:09.760 --> 0:50:13.120
<v Speaker 1>Apple settle lawsuits. That's equivalent. Yeah, it's kind of like

0:50:13.160 --> 0:50:16.839
<v Speaker 1>it reminds me of when those first like headlines were

0:50:16.840 --> 0:50:20.000
<v Speaker 1>happening about no Steve Jobs and Bill Gates actually like

0:50:20.080 --> 0:50:22.719
<v Speaker 1>each other. It's fine, and it's like that level of wait,

0:50:22.760 --> 0:50:26.200
<v Speaker 1>what we didn't think that's how this worked. Uh, except

0:50:26.280 --> 0:50:28.680
<v Speaker 1>there was very little pushing down of stairs in any

0:50:28.719 --> 0:50:32.920
<v Speaker 1>of them. Right, well, what what's really cool about this? Okay,

0:50:32.920 --> 0:50:36.000
<v Speaker 1>so this didn't end all litigation. There was still some

0:50:36.239 --> 0:50:39.840
<v Speaker 1>continuing on. But by eighteen fifty six we get the

0:50:39.840 --> 0:50:42.400
<v Speaker 1>president of Grover and Baker, which was one of the

0:50:42.400 --> 0:50:46.040
<v Speaker 1>companies involved in the suits, that were, uh, that we're

0:50:46.080 --> 0:50:48.640
<v Speaker 1>involving Elias How, I feel like we should back up

0:50:48.640 --> 0:50:50.640
<v Speaker 1>because we skipped that. People tried to then sue How

0:50:50.760 --> 0:50:55.120
<v Speaker 1>for improving Uh yeah, so How basically at this point

0:50:55.280 --> 0:50:59.120
<v Speaker 1>was the you know, the czar of the sewing machine

0:50:59.120 --> 0:51:02.200
<v Speaker 1>injury in distry. He owned the patent to the biggest

0:51:02.280 --> 0:51:05.520
<v Speaker 1>chunk of it and was licensing those out and he thought, well,

0:51:05.520 --> 0:51:08.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, I could really tweak that original design as well.

0:51:08.520 --> 0:51:10.680
<v Speaker 1>But every tweak he made other people claim they had

0:51:10.719 --> 0:51:13.200
<v Speaker 1>already made. So then he was getting sued by people

0:51:13.719 --> 0:51:17.400
<v Speaker 1>for patent infringement for improving on his original design. Okay,

0:51:17.440 --> 0:51:21.720
<v Speaker 1>so that's the litigation festival. Basically, now you've got people saying,

0:51:21.960 --> 0:51:25.440
<v Speaker 1>all right, well, these improvements you're making, we've already made

0:51:25.760 --> 0:51:29.280
<v Speaker 1>and we've already patented. So it's become a huge mess.

0:51:29.320 --> 0:51:31.319
<v Speaker 1>By eighteen fifty six, you get the president of Grover

0:51:31.400 --> 0:51:33.799
<v Speaker 1>and Baker, which was one of the companies that was

0:51:33.840 --> 0:51:37.400
<v Speaker 1>involved in these cases against Howe, about these improvements to

0:51:37.600 --> 0:51:41.680
<v Speaker 1>the original designs and comes up with a concept called

0:51:41.960 --> 0:51:46.200
<v Speaker 1>the combination, which, by the way, these days we would

0:51:46.200 --> 0:51:49.200
<v Speaker 1>call this a patent pool. Yeah, And a patent pool

0:51:49.239 --> 0:51:51.200
<v Speaker 1>is essentially when you get a whole bunch of different

0:51:51.280 --> 0:51:54.440
<v Speaker 1>stakeholders who all own different patents that are involved in

0:51:54.480 --> 0:51:59.080
<v Speaker 1>the same general technology to essentially come to an agreement saying,

0:51:59.560 --> 0:52:02.160
<v Speaker 1>all right, gonna pull all these patents together, and as

0:52:02.200 --> 0:52:04.480
<v Speaker 1>long as we are all officially part of this group,

0:52:04.520 --> 0:52:07.520
<v Speaker 1>and we all agree to operate by these rules, we're

0:52:07.520 --> 0:52:10.120
<v Speaker 1>not going to sue the pants off each other whenever

0:52:10.239 --> 0:52:13.200
<v Speaker 1>we make an improvement to that technology or incorporate that

0:52:13.239 --> 0:52:17.279
<v Speaker 1>technology into our products. Make suring that everyone's getting the

0:52:17.320 --> 0:52:21.280
<v Speaker 1>royalties that they deserve exactly. So, the president of Grover

0:52:21.400 --> 0:52:24.080
<v Speaker 1>and Baker was Orlando B. Potter, and he, you know,

0:52:24.520 --> 0:52:26.319
<v Speaker 1>I feel like he's a person that's not very well

0:52:26.360 --> 0:52:29.640
<v Speaker 1>known historically, but he really deserves a lot of kudos

0:52:29.680 --> 0:52:32.359
<v Speaker 1>because he was really the first person to go, hey,

0:52:32.400 --> 0:52:36.000
<v Speaker 1>you guys, we're only hurting ourselves. We're kind of being idiots.

0:52:36.760 --> 0:52:39.279
<v Speaker 1>And he really established this concept of what is now

0:52:39.320 --> 0:52:42.840
<v Speaker 1>a patent pool. Uh. So he was like, let's stop,

0:52:42.920 --> 0:52:46.239
<v Speaker 1>you know, holding up everybody's production. Let's stop throwing our

0:52:46.280 --> 0:52:48.200
<v Speaker 1>money at lawyers. We don't need that. We can work

0:52:48.239 --> 0:52:52.200
<v Speaker 1>this out. Uh. And so he got them all to

0:52:52.280 --> 0:52:54.759
<v Speaker 1>join their forces. They pulled their patents, they made one

0:52:54.880 --> 0:52:59.160
<v Speaker 1>unified combination patent for sewing machines. How initially was not

0:52:59.719 --> 0:53:01.719
<v Speaker 1>on word with this. Well, now, when you own a

0:53:01.840 --> 0:53:04.520
<v Speaker 1>huge chunk of the landscape, then you feel like you

0:53:04.600 --> 0:53:06.600
<v Speaker 1>have the most to lose and that kind of agreement.

0:53:06.680 --> 0:53:10.960
<v Speaker 1>He definitely felt that way, but eventually he did agree

0:53:11.040 --> 0:53:14.719
<v Speaker 1>to it. He had made some pretty heavy stipulations and

0:53:14.880 --> 0:53:17.640
<v Speaker 1>the other parties agreed. Basically, he was going to get

0:53:17.680 --> 0:53:20.160
<v Speaker 1>a five dollar royalty on every sewing machine that was

0:53:20.200 --> 0:53:23.080
<v Speaker 1>sold in the US, and for every sewing machine that

0:53:23.120 --> 0:53:25.280
<v Speaker 1>was exported he would get a dollar. Now, I remember

0:53:25.320 --> 0:53:27.319
<v Speaker 1>this is in eighteen fifty six, so these are not

0:53:27.560 --> 0:53:30.760
<v Speaker 1>paltry sums. No, this is this is significant money. So

0:53:30.920 --> 0:53:34.279
<v Speaker 1>in the next eleven years between eighteen fifty six in

0:53:34.320 --> 0:53:37.399
<v Speaker 1>eighteen sixty seven, when How's patent expired, he made more

0:53:37.400 --> 0:53:39.880
<v Speaker 1>than two million dollars And that's two million dollars in

0:53:40.440 --> 0:53:44.600
<v Speaker 1>eighteen hundreds money. Yeah, that's way more, but he would

0:53:44.640 --> 0:53:52.000
<v Speaker 1>be a kazillionaire. Crazy. That's my main was estimation there, um,

0:53:52.040 --> 0:53:57.160
<v Speaker 1>And he requested a an extension to that patent but

0:53:57.280 --> 0:54:00.759
<v Speaker 1>was denied. Patents do like I said earlier, spire, and

0:54:00.800 --> 0:54:04.400
<v Speaker 1>when they expire, you lose that exclusivity. You cannot demand

0:54:04.480 --> 0:54:08.919
<v Speaker 1>licenses for it. That technology, that implementation of that technology

0:54:09.000 --> 0:54:12.640
<v Speaker 1>then belongs to the public, so anyone can create any

0:54:12.680 --> 0:54:15.839
<v Speaker 1>kind of device using that sort of approach um that

0:54:16.320 --> 0:54:18.640
<v Speaker 1>was originally covered by that patent that's now expired. So

0:54:19.120 --> 0:54:22.000
<v Speaker 1>he doesn't get the extension he wanted, and he dies

0:54:22.040 --> 0:54:23.840
<v Speaker 1>of a broken heart. He doesn't really die of a

0:54:23.840 --> 0:54:25.960
<v Speaker 1>broken heart. His heart was broken earlier in his life

0:54:25.960 --> 0:54:27.920
<v Speaker 1>when his wife died, but it did not kill him

0:54:27.960 --> 0:54:31.680
<v Speaker 1>to the best of our knowledge. However, some say that

0:54:31.719 --> 0:54:36.240
<v Speaker 1>it did kind of spur hist because he just needed

0:54:36.280 --> 0:54:40.360
<v Speaker 1>to focus on something else um. But Singer, of course

0:54:40.520 --> 0:54:45.440
<v Speaker 1>continued to work his magic in the sewing machine industry,

0:54:45.520 --> 0:54:48.799
<v Speaker 1>and now as a consequence, you know, he's really the

0:54:48.840 --> 0:54:51.319
<v Speaker 1>name we remember more than all as how Yeah, yeah,

0:54:51.360 --> 0:54:54.440
<v Speaker 1>you see that name all over. The was exceptional at marketing,

0:54:55.239 --> 0:54:59.800
<v Speaker 1>very much again, kind of like Edison, who was brilliant

0:54:59.840 --> 0:55:02.040
<v Speaker 1>in many ways, and one of the big ones was

0:55:02.120 --> 0:55:06.319
<v Speaker 1>that he was a very smart businessman and marketer. So yeah,

0:55:06.360 --> 0:55:09.600
<v Speaker 1>this is again you can see the parallels with modern

0:55:09.640 --> 0:55:13.560
<v Speaker 1>patent wars. Everything from the cooperation of various companies to

0:55:13.600 --> 0:55:17.880
<v Speaker 1>make sure that business can continue, the arguments that patent

0:55:17.920 --> 0:55:22.160
<v Speaker 1>litigation harms innovation, that that patent that's sitting on patent's

0:55:22.200 --> 0:55:26.319
<v Speaker 1>harms innovation. These are not new ideas. No, you gotta

0:55:26.360 --> 0:55:29.880
<v Speaker 1>look at you know, early to mid nineteenth century and

0:55:29.920 --> 0:55:33.120
<v Speaker 1>you can see it all there as well. So very

0:55:33.160 --> 0:55:35.880
<v Speaker 1>interesting that there's so much in common with what we

0:55:35.960 --> 0:55:38.600
<v Speaker 1>see today. Holly, I have to thank you again for

0:55:38.760 --> 0:55:42.040
<v Speaker 1>joining me on this podcast and to bring this topic.

0:55:42.160 --> 0:55:45.359
<v Speaker 1>It was awesome to have some something that normally would

0:55:45.360 --> 0:55:47.479
<v Speaker 1>fall outside the scope of what I usually talk about,

0:55:47.480 --> 0:55:50.120
<v Speaker 1>but it fits in so well. Yeay, thank you for

0:55:50.160 --> 0:55:52.960
<v Speaker 1>having me. I'm always happy to talk a little sewing talk. Well,

0:55:53.000 --> 0:55:54.600
<v Speaker 1>you know who knows. Maybe I'll get you on here

0:55:54.640 --> 0:55:57.840
<v Speaker 1>again and we'll talk about you know, the sewing techniques

0:55:57.960 --> 0:56:01.960
<v Speaker 1>used to make crazy science faction costumes delight me in

0:56:02.040 --> 0:56:03.880
<v Speaker 1>every way. Yeah, I'm sure our listeners would love it

0:56:03.920 --> 0:56:07.240
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