WEBVTT - #281 Maggie Freleng with Troy Burner

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Maggie.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes we see cases where someone's almost on the verge

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<v Speaker 2>of being exaggerated and they die, and yet the attorneys

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<v Speaker 2>or the innis's projects, whoevers of all the case continue

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<v Speaker 2>the fight to prove their innocence. Many people must wonder

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<v Speaker 2>why don't they just drop it at that point the

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<v Speaker 2>person's gone, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know, I think specifically because these people's families still exist,

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<v Speaker 3>and they're still around, and there's generations of kids and

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<v Speaker 3>grandkids that want to have justice for their loved one

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<v Speaker 3>and for themselves. So I think it's it's really important

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<v Speaker 3>to make sure that all of these wrongs are righted.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, as I sat there and I talked to him,

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<v Speaker 4>and he was just hooked up to so many machines,

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<v Speaker 4>and I whispered in his ear and said, how are

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<v Speaker 4>you going to come back in my life? And you're

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<v Speaker 4>just going to die on me? You can't be my

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<v Speaker 4>husband if you die right.

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<v Speaker 5>From love of for good, this wrongful conviction with Maggie

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<v Speaker 5>Freeling today Troy Berner. On April twenty first, nineteen ninety,

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<v Speaker 5>twenty seven year old Michael Wilson was walking with his

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<v Speaker 5>friend Joseph Kinnard when two masked gunmen suddenly ambushed them.

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<v Speaker 5>Joseph fled unharmed, but Michael was shot at least six times.

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<v Speaker 5>He passed away days later in the hospital. Although Michael

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<v Speaker 5>named his attackers before he died, investigators were somehow at

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<v Speaker 5>a loss and the case went cold for three years.

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<v Speaker 5>But in the years following the crime, things heated up

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<v Speaker 5>when police arrested multiple men looking to strike deals in

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<v Speaker 5>exchange for lighter sentences. Troy Berner's name was dragged into

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<v Speaker 5>this process. Eventually, among various conflicting statements, Troy was named

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<v Speaker 5>as one of the people present at Michael Wilson's shoe

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<v Speaker 5>ready to go with a gun in his hands. Troy

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<v Speaker 5>was a good kid with an impressive job a radiology

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<v Speaker 5>aid at George Washington University Hospital, and he had an

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<v Speaker 5>alibi for the time of the shooting. But Troy's career

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<v Speaker 5>and life trajectory unfortunately came to a quick halt when

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<v Speaker 5>his name got caught up in an elaborate murder plot.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, my whole thing was, you know, I didn't

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<v Speaker 6>have nothing to do with it, so, you know, and

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<v Speaker 6>they're not gonna be able to find nobody to say

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<v Speaker 6>I had nothing to do with it. So you know,

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<v Speaker 6>I held on to that, you know, that belief on

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<v Speaker 6>don't where they say the truth that you're free.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Troy Burner.

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<v Speaker 6>I was wrongly convicted, serving twenty four years, eight months

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<v Speaker 6>and twenty two days.

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<v Speaker 5>Troy Burner was born in Southeast Washington, d C. On

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<v Speaker 5>August thirtieth, nineteen seventy.

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<v Speaker 1>Two, to Janie Berner and Janie Burner.

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<v Speaker 6>Know that's a joke that I do because I say

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<v Speaker 6>my mother is my father.

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<v Speaker 1>But oh, Clarence avel.

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<v Speaker 5>Smell, So were your parents not together?

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<v Speaker 1>Didn't know they know they were. I was raised by

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<v Speaker 1>my mom and my two grandmothers.

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<v Speaker 5>Troy is the oldest of five siblings. He says in

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<v Speaker 5>many ways he was like a father figure even within

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<v Speaker 5>his extended family. As a teen, Troy got into boxing

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<v Speaker 5>and would bring his pack of siblings, cousins, nieces, and

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<v Speaker 5>nephews to his matches. He remembers the times they all

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<v Speaker 5>hung out, and especially remembers his cousin Carlos.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, I used to take him to the gym

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<v Speaker 6>with me and he was like, man, I remember when

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<v Speaker 6>you was in there and you was spawned with such

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<v Speaker 6>and such, you was doing this man, we were so happy.

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<v Speaker 1>We was jumping around. Well.

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<v Speaker 6>I remember when you know, I came to your fight

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<v Speaker 6>and you know, and things of that nation. You know,

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<v Speaker 6>we might just be talking and I'd be just telling

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<v Speaker 6>him how funny he is, you know, I mean, he

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<v Speaker 6>might be like you say, I'm funny, you know, like

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<v Speaker 6>where you think I get it from, you know, and

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<v Speaker 6>really it don't come from me. But you know, just

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<v Speaker 6>the fact that you know, we think enough for me

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<v Speaker 6>to say that, it means a great deal.

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<v Speaker 5>Troy also had a lot of neighborhood friends.

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<v Speaker 4>I remember saying, this little kid and I would get excited,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, ears sticking out, little ears sticking out, socks

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<v Speaker 4>up to here. It's like, oh, here, come Troy.

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<v Speaker 5>You know this is Shari. She grew up with Troy.

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<v Speaker 1>You didn't have to say that.

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<v Speaker 6>There's no way that she would have known that my

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<v Speaker 6>ear is stuck out from my head if you didn't

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<v Speaker 6>say that.

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<v Speaker 5>Seri's mom and Troy's mom were friends as children.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, we played together. We were you know, even

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<v Speaker 4>back then we were we were really close. Our parents

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<v Speaker 4>did get together. My mom being a single mom, they

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<v Speaker 4>kind of kept us, you know, close together.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>Happenmstance and you know circumstances in life. We grew and

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<v Speaker 4>he went one way. I went one way.

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<v Speaker 5>At sixteen, Troy dropped out of school, but he wasn't

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<v Speaker 5>done with his education. He got his ged before his

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<v Speaker 5>class graduated and went on to become a radiology aid

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<v Speaker 5>at George Washington University Hospital.

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<v Speaker 6>There were a lot of things that you know, I

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<v Speaker 6>was doing and would have liked to have further. You

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<v Speaker 6>know that again, that was one of the things, like

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<v Speaker 6>I said in hindsight, you know, that would definitely have

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<v Speaker 6>been something that I could have went on and done further. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 6>I'm a I'm a man of many unfulfilled dreams.

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<v Speaker 5>Not long after he started his radiology job, when he

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<v Speaker 5>was only seventeen, Troy was pulled into the criminal legal

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<v Speaker 5>system and his dreams were shattered.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, I just think, you know, there was a

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<v Speaker 6>particular time, man, that there was so many things that

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<v Speaker 6>I could have done, and you know, the opportunities was

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<v Speaker 6>taken from me.

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<v Speaker 5>Justin heads up, there are a lot of names to

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<v Speaker 5>keep track of with this story, so pay careful attention.

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<v Speaker 5>Shortly after nine pm on April twenty first, nineteen ninety,

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<v Speaker 5>Michael Wilson and Joseph Kinnard, both twenty seven, were walking

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<v Speaker 5>down Fifteenth Street in Washington, d C. They had just

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<v Speaker 5>met up with Michael's girlfriend, Jerry, her brother, and their friend.

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<v Speaker 5>The trio left Michael and Joseph and got in their

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<v Speaker 5>car to leave. They had only driven half a block

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<v Speaker 5>before they heard gunfire. The shots were from two masked

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<v Speaker 5>gunmen who all of a sudden were ambushing Michael and Joseph.

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<v Speaker 5>Joseph fled unharmed, but Michael was shot at least six

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<v Speaker 5>times in the back as he was trying to escape.

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<v Speaker 5>At the hospital, he was fortunately able to tell his

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<v Speaker 5>girlfriend Jerry who shot him. On a piece of paper,

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<v Speaker 5>he wrote the names Lewis and Little Rick, but that

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<v Speaker 5>was all she would get. On May eighth, Michael succumbed

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<v Speaker 5>to his wounds and passed away in the hospital. Although

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<v Speaker 5>Michael gave the names of his attackers, investigators didn't follow

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<v Speaker 5>up on these leads and the case went cold for

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<v Speaker 5>almost three years. But in nineteen ninety one things started

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<v Speaker 5>to shift when police arrested a man named Antonio Johnson.

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<v Speaker 5>He was busted with an uzi and other guns, as

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<v Speaker 5>well as five hundred grams of crap cocaine. Facing serious charges,

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<v Speaker 5>he agreed to cooperate with the prosecution and became an informant.

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<v Speaker 5>Johnson eventually wound up helping prosecutors in more than three

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<v Speaker 5>dozen cases and earning quite a bit of money in exchange.

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<v Speaker 5>About a year later, in nineteen ninety two, after he

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<v Speaker 5>had already agreed to cooperate with the police, Johnson implicated

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<v Speaker 5>four people in the shooting of Michael Wilson, Louis lou

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<v Speaker 5>McCoy and Rick Harad, the two men who Michael named

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<v Speaker 5>before he died, as well as Frank Brackmoort and Troy Berner. However,

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<v Speaker 5>Johnson clarified that Troy did not fire his gun. Did

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<v Speaker 5>you know the people involved in this crime? Were you

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<v Speaker 5>familiar with any of them?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, my co defenders I know him, and that was

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<v Speaker 6>essentially you know how I got, you know, swept up

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<v Speaker 6>into the victim itself.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, for all respect, do God blessed day. I mean,

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<v Speaker 6>it's not possible if you walked in my face right now,

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<v Speaker 6>I wouldn't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Who he was.

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<v Speaker 5>About four months later, a man named Antoine Peyton was

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<v Speaker 5>arrested for a murder that took place a few months

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<v Speaker 5>before Michael Wilson's and only two blocks away from where

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<v Speaker 5>Wilson was shot, and when he was arrested for that murder,

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<v Speaker 5>Peyton was actually already in prison for two drug convictions.

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<v Speaker 5>To avoid more charges, Peyton started giving information in the

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<v Speaker 5>Michael Wilson case, and he ended up giving the same

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<v Speaker 5>names that Johnson did, low Rick, Brockmoort, and Troy. Eventually,

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<v Speaker 5>Peyton was offered a plea deal to confess to his

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<v Speaker 5>murder case for a lesser charge. The deal was he

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<v Speaker 5>had to give a statement and testify at the Michael

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<v Speaker 5>Wilson murder trial. Peyton agreed.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, it was a particular time in DC and

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<v Speaker 6>they have all these collaborative law enforcement investigations going on,

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<v Speaker 6>and they trying to close all these cold cases, and

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<v Speaker 6>this case came up.

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<v Speaker 5>On March fifteenth, nineteen ninety three, almost exactly three years

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<v Speaker 5>after Michael Wilson's death, a grand jury investigation into his

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<v Speaker 5>murder began. The important thing about this, though, was that

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<v Speaker 5>Troy was not named as a subject of the investigation,

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<v Speaker 5>only lou Rick and Brackmoort. At this point, Troy had

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<v Speaker 5>not been named by the government at all. Initially, Peyton

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<v Speaker 5>had told police that he didn't witness the shooting, but

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<v Speaker 5>in front of the grand jury, he testified that he

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<v Speaker 5>knew about the plant hate on Michael and that he

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<v Speaker 5>drove to the scene and parked in an alley to watch.

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<v Speaker 5>Peyton said he saw lou and Rick chase down Michael

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<v Speaker 5>and shoot him, and that Troy was not there. He

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<v Speaker 5>said that after the shooting, they all went to Brackmort's apartment,

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<v Speaker 5>including Troy. Everyone was angry at Troy for not showing

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<v Speaker 5>up at the scene, and according to Peyton, Troy said

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<v Speaker 5>he didn't participate because there would have been crossfire. A

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<v Speaker 5>grandeurer followed up with a question why would Troy have

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<v Speaker 5>been afraid of the crossfire, and Peyton changed his story again.

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<v Speaker 5>He replied that Troy actually was at the scene of

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<v Speaker 5>the crime, but that he didn't have a gun or

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<v Speaker 5>do anything. This was the first time Peyton actually placed

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<v Speaker 5>Troy at the scene, and it sealed Troy's fate. On

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<v Speaker 5>April twentieth, nineteen ninety three, the gran jury indicted all

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<v Speaker 5>four men, lou Rick, Brackmoort, and Troy on charges of

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<v Speaker 5>first degree murder. So when you get charged.

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<v Speaker 3>What are you thinking, like, you have everything going for you,

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<v Speaker 3>you have a great life, You're making moves, and now

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<v Speaker 3>suddenly you're in the middle of a murder and you

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<v Speaker 3>are charged with this murder.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, initially, you know, I really didn't.

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<v Speaker 6>I really didn't have any thoughts on it because you know,

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<v Speaker 6>my whole thing was, you know, I didn't have nothing

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<v Speaker 6>to do with it, so you know, and they not

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<v Speaker 6>gonna beb to find nobody to say I had nothing

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<v Speaker 6>to do with it.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, I hailed on to that.

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<v Speaker 6>You know that belief on't where they say the truth

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<v Speaker 6>sessue free.

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<v Speaker 5>The trial against the men started a year later. The

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<v Speaker 5>judge who oversaw the trial, Judge John H. Suda, denied

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<v Speaker 5>a request by Troy's attorney to have him tried separately

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<v Speaker 5>from his co defendants. At the trial, Antoine Payton testified

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<v Speaker 5>again and gave yet another story on what exactly happened

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<v Speaker 5>the night of the shooting and the days leading up

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<v Speaker 5>to it. In this version, he said he saw Troy

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<v Speaker 5>with a gun in his hands. Antonio Johnson, the first informant,

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<v Speaker 5>also testified that he heard Brackmoort brag about ordering the

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<v Speaker 5>other guys to shoot but that Troy didn't do so

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<v Speaker 5>because his gun was jammed, and Michael Wilson's girlfriend and

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<v Speaker 5>her brother also testified during the trial. They said they

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<v Speaker 5>only saw two attackers. Even with contradiction after contradiction by

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<v Speaker 5>the state's witnesses, the case against Troy and his co

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<v Speaker 5>defendants was enough for the jury, and just over four

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<v Speaker 5>years after the murder of Michael Wilson, all four men

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<v Speaker 5>were convicted of first degree murder. Troy was sentenced to

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<v Speaker 5>thirty years to life, the longest sentence of them all.

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<v Speaker 5>in recognition of AIG's commitment to criminal and social justice reform,

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<v Speaker 5>the AIG pro Bono Program provides free legal services and

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<v Speaker 5>other support to underrepresented communities and individual wolves. Troy entered

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<v Speaker 5>prison when he was twenty one years old. A few

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<v Speaker 5>years went by, and then one day in two thousand

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<v Speaker 5>and nine, Troy was approached by a new arrival at

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<v Speaker 5>the prison, a.

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<v Speaker 6>Guy came down, you know from another institution, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>somebody from DC, and he was like, man, I was

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<v Speaker 6>out talking to this dude and he was like, man,

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<v Speaker 6>he said, he think he got something that belonged to you.

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<v Speaker 5>Troy had no idea what it was, so he made

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<v Speaker 5>a point to meet this person.

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<v Speaker 6>So, you know, we set up a time to meet

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<v Speaker 6>the guy on the yard, on the reck yard, and

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<v Speaker 6>we walked on the yard and the dude pulled out

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<v Speaker 6>a payment said he said, I think this you. He said,

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<v Speaker 6>because since I've been here, I've been hearing your name.

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<v Speaker 6>He said, I think this you. And it was AffA

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<v Speaker 6>David from Answan.

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<v Speaker 5>Peyton Antoine Peyton, the state star witness in Troy's trial,

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<v Speaker 5>had recanted. In the signed affidavit, Peyton admitted he lied

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<v Speaker 5>about being at the scene of the crime and lied

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<v Speaker 5>about Troy being there. Troy now had something he could

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<v Speaker 5>use to help prove his innocence, so he got to work.

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<v Speaker 5>For the next six years, Troy read up on law

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<v Speaker 5>and in twenty fifteen, without the help of a lawyer,

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<v Speaker 5>filed a motion for innocence. The petition included Peyton's recantation,

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<v Speaker 5>as well as an affidavit from Rickharrod saying that only

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<v Speaker 5>he and Lou chased and shot the victims, Troy was

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<v Speaker 5>not with them. This new account by Rick was exactly

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<v Speaker 5>what Michael had expressed in the first place. Also, by

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<v Speaker 5>this time, Antonio Johnson had admitted that the prosecutors essentially

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<v Speaker 5>told him what to say at trial, but the motion

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<v Speaker 5>was denied. Troy then reached out to the mid Atlantic

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<v Speaker 5>Innocence Project or MAIP.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, Troy had done a lot of work on

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<v Speaker 7>his case and presented some new evidence to us that

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<v Speaker 7>got us interested and had us dig deeper.

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<v Speaker 5>This is Francis Walters. She's the former legal director of

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<v Speaker 5>the mid Atlantic Innocence Project and is now an attorney

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<v Speaker 5>advisor at the Department of Justice Office of the Pardon Attorney.

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<v Speaker 5>Francis was Troy's post conviction attorney.

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<v Speaker 7>What stood out in Troy's case was that there was

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<v Speaker 7>very minimal evidence of any involvement in the crime, and

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<v Speaker 7>it's pretty unusual to have someone convicted on such minimal

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<v Speaker 7>evidence and then to have this recantation. It really it

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<v Speaker 7>wasn't hard to come to the conclusion that Troy was innocent.

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<v Speaker 5>Troy's team went out and confirmed the recantation from Peyton.

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<v Speaker 5>They also discovered more information about him.

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<v Speaker 7>One of the things that had happened was Peyton said

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<v Speaker 7>in an affidavit that he had expected Troy to help

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<v Speaker 7>him out in one of his own cases, and he

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<v Speaker 7>got angry when Troy did, and so he said, you

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<v Speaker 7>know what, I'm just going to throw him in there.

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<v Speaker 5>Remember, Peyton had made a deal with the police to

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<v Speaker 5>testify for leniency in his own murder case.

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<v Speaker 7>We found like an FBI memo that said he was

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<v Speaker 7>like the most prolific confidential informant they had ever used.

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<v Speaker 5>The team continued to investigate Troy's conviction and they uncovered

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<v Speaker 5>some alibi witnesses who could help clear his name.

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<v Speaker 7>A couple of people who were from the neighborhood where

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<v Speaker 7>the shooting took place. They learned about Troy's Andcartridge many

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<v Speaker 7>years later, and when they learned about it, they said,

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<v Speaker 7>what Troy was playing dice with us? Again, not someone

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<v Speaker 7>who was close to Troy, And he said, but we

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<v Speaker 7>were all from this laundry room and we were all

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<v Speaker 7>playing dice together, and so he couldn't have been there.

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<v Speaker 7>So all those pieces of evidence we brought to the court.

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<v Speaker 5>In twenty seventeen, Maip, along with attorneys Seth Rosenthal and

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<v Speaker 5>Laurence stock Smith from the law firm Venable, LP, filed

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<v Speaker 5>a new motion in twenty eighteen. They were granted an evidence.

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<v Speaker 5>You're hearing.

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<v Speaker 7>So it's Monday Tuesday. So Lou testified, Rick testified, to

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<v Speaker 7>alibi witnesses testified.

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<v Speaker 5>Usually a judge takes weeks or months to rule, but

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<v Speaker 5>in this case, it only took a week.

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<v Speaker 7>The court had called us back because he was ready

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<v Speaker 7>to resentence Troy to time served and let him be

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<v Speaker 7>released from incarceration. At that point, it was an amazing day.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, we thought it would happen, but you just

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<v Speaker 7>never know, and so that was pretty special that the

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<v Speaker 7>judge did that the very week that we presented all

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<v Speaker 7>the evidence of innocence.

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<v Speaker 5>Although Troy was released on time served, he was still

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<v Speaker 5>not exonerated at this point, but he continued to work

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<v Speaker 5>on his innocence claim while out and about enjoying life.

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<v Speaker 5>One night he was out at a club.

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<v Speaker 4>I looked up and I just saw him walking through

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<v Speaker 4>the club, and you know, in my mind, the first

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<v Speaker 4>thing that flashed back was, you know, the little boy

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<v Speaker 4>with earsticking out, and I lugged and I said, that's Troy.

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<v Speaker 1>Burner And I ran.

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<v Speaker 4>Over there and he gave me a hug and he

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<v Speaker 4>was like, little Cherie, you're back. And I'm like where

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<v Speaker 4>you been?

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<v Speaker 6>And he's like, you didn't know?

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<v Speaker 4>I said, well, I know some, but you know, not everything.

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<v Speaker 5>Over the years, Troy and Shari's mothers had stayed in touch,

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<v Speaker 5>and so Shari had heard little bits here and there

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<v Speaker 5>about Troy's situation.

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<v Speaker 4>He you know, he sat down and we talked, and

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<v Speaker 4>he explained and told me everything that happened.

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<v Speaker 5>From that point forward, Shari says she and Troy became

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<v Speaker 5>close again, like the women they were kids. A romance

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<v Speaker 5>soon developed and they were inseparable. So what happened next?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, so he was on parole and and then Troy

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<v Speaker 7>got really, really sick, and.

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<v Speaker 1>That was.

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<v Speaker 7>Scary for everyone, thinking that he could die. Before even

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<v Speaker 7>having a decision in his innocence case.

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<v Speaker 5>In twenty nineteen, Troy was diagnosed with the flu and pneumonia.

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<v Speaker 5>His condition was so bad it looked like he might

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<v Speaker 5>not make it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they put me in a comb expired wife.

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<v Speaker 4>And his mom she called me and she she woke

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<v Speaker 4>me up one night and she said they lost him,

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<v Speaker 4>and I think I panicked, and she said, baby, calm down,

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<v Speaker 4>he's back. They brought him back. And you know, I

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<v Speaker 4>was like, man, don't do that, you know, don't call

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<v Speaker 4>me right away and say they lost him. But yes,

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<v Speaker 4>so she called and she said, well, she said, I

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<v Speaker 4>just want you to know. She said, he's back, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>just get up there and go see him, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>So I sat there and I talked to him, and

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<v Speaker 4>he was just hooked up to so many machines, and

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<v Speaker 4>you know, it was just kind of hard to look

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<v Speaker 4>at him for a little bit. But then I just

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<v Speaker 4>I remember leaning over him, whispering in his ear because

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<v Speaker 4>she said, you know, just go talk to him. You

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<v Speaker 4>know he can hear you.

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<v Speaker 1>He's just resting. Go talk to him.

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<v Speaker 4>And I whispered in his ear. I said, how are

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<v Speaker 4>you going to come back in my life? And they're

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<v Speaker 4>just going to die on me. You can't be my

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<v Speaker 4>husband if you die, right, and.

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<v Speaker 7>So get his eyes just pop open right then?

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<v Speaker 4>You know that would have that would have been yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>that would have been a story, you know, but surely

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<v Speaker 4>you know, about a month or so after that, his

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<v Speaker 4>mom she called me and she was just he's back.

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<v Speaker 5>Troy was put in rehab and Shari went to see

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<v Speaker 5>him there.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, he just gave me the biggest hug and

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<v Speaker 4>he told me.

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<v Speaker 7>He was like, you know, you're going to be my wife.

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<v Speaker 4>And I said, well, you must have heard what I

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<v Speaker 4>said to you then, huh, And he was just kind

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<v Speaker 4>of looking at me, like, what are you talking about. Later,

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<v Speaker 4>I said, you know said I whispered in your ear.

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<v Speaker 4>You know you must have heard what I said too.

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<v Speaker 5>Troy was alive and with his love, but he was

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<v Speaker 5>still a prisoner of the state working on his innocence claim.

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<v Speaker 5>On March twenty second, twenty twenty, he left rehab, but

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<v Speaker 5>he didn't have to wait long to hear the news

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<v Speaker 5>he had been waiting for.

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<v Speaker 1>I desgonerated in March twenty six, just four.

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<v Speaker 7>Days after he finished rehab, when we weren't sure he

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<v Speaker 7>was going to make it.

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<v Speaker 5>Wow, at forty eight years old, Troy was a free man. Today,

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<v Speaker 5>Troy is an associate with the Justice Policy Institute, helping

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<v Speaker 5>others who have been wrongfully convicted. He's also involved with

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<v Speaker 5>other organizations that help people caught up in the criminal

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<v Speaker 5>legal system, including the organization Changing Perceptions, which helps formally

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<v Speaker 5>incarcerated people adjust to life outside prison. Troy has published

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<v Speaker 5>multiple articles about the criminal legal system as well. In

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<v Speaker 5>March twenty sixth, twenty twenty one, exactly one year from

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<v Speaker 5>his exoneration, Troy and Shari got married.

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<v Speaker 7>So what are what are y'all's plans hope streams for

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<v Speaker 7>the future.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I have four children from a previous marriage that

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<v Speaker 4>they've all adopted him.

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<v Speaker 1>So he is Polish. How's that?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh gosh, he's like the ultimate stepdad and pop pop.

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<v Speaker 4>So we you know, we have seven grandkids.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, boys, you better not do it all boys.

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<v Speaker 3>You know you're still very young to like you're young.

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<v Speaker 5>You're forty?

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<v Speaker 1>What this big fifty this year?

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<v Speaker 4>Wow?

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<v Speaker 1>Fifty this year? Okay, I might party all fifty states?

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<v Speaker 1>Is city near you? Where you're at?

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<v Speaker 5>As for Troy, he feels like he's been given a

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<v Speaker 5>whole new chance at life.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, you just heard the story, you know, about me

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<v Speaker 6>being sick and the doctor told me, you know, when

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<v Speaker 6>I got to the rehabb he said, you know, you're

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<v Speaker 6>a miracle. You're not supposed to be here. And I

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<v Speaker 6>told him, essentially that he was a damn lie.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, God said otherwise wasn't my time.

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<v Speaker 6>And even without that, you know, I had to settle

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<v Speaker 6>my emotions down and find some acceptance and understanding what happened,

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<v Speaker 6>because if I didn't, my emotions would have took you know, control,

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<v Speaker 6>and just try to continue life and find, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>that opportunity to see society again.

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<v Speaker 1>Otherwise I would have been lost.

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<v Speaker 6>Comes to the point, man, where it just you know,

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<v Speaker 6>it had to be accepted, you know, to move on,

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<v Speaker 6>because otherwise there's nothing else I can do. And being

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<v Speaker 6>here and have an opportunity, you know, to speak with

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<v Speaker 6>you and share my story and my understanding and also

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<v Speaker 6>you know, on my every day, you know, with my work,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, I just try to pour my efforts.

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<v Speaker 1>Into that, and somehow I come to the.

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<v Speaker 6>Realization that that would allow me to make some sense out.

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<v Speaker 1>Of all of this.

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<v Speaker 5>Next time on wrongful conviction with Maggie Freeling, Marnie Yang,

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<v Speaker 5>there was nobody.

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<v Speaker 8>That could help me at that point. My parents couldn't

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<v Speaker 8>help my attorney couldn't seem to protect us. I couldn't

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<v Speaker 8>go to the police. They were the ones that were

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<v Speaker 8>terrorizing us. I had just decided I'm just going to

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<v Speaker 8>tell them whatever they want to hear.

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