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Speaker 1: Beautiful Thursday afternoons. A little chilly. You know, it's sixty

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Speaker 1: all goes away and you've already traded for him and

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Speaker 1: you had to figure this stuff, and it lasts till

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Speaker 1: the summer, and you get this player. It was all

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Speaker 1: worth it. But it's just too much unknown, too much uncertainty,

429
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Speaker 1: and too many things you would never know until this

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Speaker 1: stuff goes away. Kevin O'Connell was was hired by the

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Speaker 1: Minnesota Vikings, and I've been I've been hearing about Kevin

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Speaker 1: O'Connell since the mid two thousand's girl I dated in

433
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Speaker 1: high school and we were on and off during college,

434
00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:42,760
Speaker 1: played or played water polo at San Diego State and

435
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Speaker 1: same year on the same age as Kevin O'Connell, and

436
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Speaker 1: he was a starting quarterback at San Diego State and

437
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Speaker 1: one of her best girl friends on the team. You

438
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Speaker 1: I think kind of date Kevin O'Connell. I just been

439
00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:54,640
Speaker 1: hearing about his name forever. And then obviously he got

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Speaker 1: drafted in third round by the Patriots. I've called a

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Speaker 1: followed his career loosely. Really good looking dude, uh you know,

442
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Speaker 1: and obviously his career has really taken off these last

443
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Speaker 1: couple of years. Worked for Gruden with the Washington football team,

444
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,880
Speaker 1: and then obviously Sean McVeigh changed his life. He went

445
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,600
Speaker 1: and he filled in once Sean McVeigh lost some coaches.

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00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:14,800
Speaker 1: I think it was the guy that Seattle hired Waldron.

447
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,840
Speaker 1: He took his spot, basically became Sean Zo c the

448
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Speaker 1: rest history. A year later, he's the head coach for

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Speaker 1: the Minnesota Vikings, and Minnesota's I think kind of an

450
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Speaker 1: underrated job. Owner has a bunch of money. They've had

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Speaker 1: a lot of consistent success. Now, it's not like the

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Speaker 1: Steelers or these teams that have won Packers bunch of

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Speaker 1: super Bowls. I mean, when's the last time. I don't

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Speaker 1: think they've been in the super Bowl in my adult

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Speaker 1: life since like the seventies. Now, they've had really good teams.

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Speaker 1: They've been to the playoffs a boatload of times, and

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Speaker 1: they have historically consistently drafted really well. They've had really

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Speaker 1: good GMS. And he inherits a team with a starting quarterback.

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Speaker 1: While he has some flaws good players, statistically has been

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Speaker 1: awesome in these last several years. And Kirk Cousins, they

461
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Speaker 1: have offensive weapons galore. Feeling on a real red zone player,

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Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson, top three wide receiver, Dalvin Cook, top two

463
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Speaker 1: or three running back, So he has offensive weapons ready

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Speaker 1: to go. Fantastic fan based some defensive pieces on the field.

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Speaker 1: What is he is he gonna be one of those

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Speaker 1: guys that immediately it's like it wouldn't quite be Lafleur

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Speaker 1: because he's not Aaron Rodgers. But what if Aaron Rodgers leaves.

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Speaker 1: What if Aaron Rodgers goes to Denver Broncos or the

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Speaker 1: Vegas Raiders or just leaves the conference, well, they will

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Speaker 1: immediately be the favorite to win the division. And all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden, Kevin O'Connell could win ten eleven games

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Speaker 1: and look like a genius, and there is pressure on him. Like, ultimately,

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Speaker 1: I've been hard on Uber Fluce. I'm actually a fan

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Speaker 1: of Dan Campbell. But ever we understand those teams sucking.

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Speaker 1: You know, Justin Fields has a long way to go.

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Speaker 1: Dan Campbell. The quarterback situation, the talents situation is not

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Speaker 1: very good. But when you look at Minnesota, like if

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Speaker 1: I gave them Sean mcveighor I gave them Kyle Shanahan,

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Speaker 1: they would be in the playoffs one if I gave

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Speaker 1: him either one of those two coaches. So is Kevin O'Connell.

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Speaker 1: Remember Matt Maggie's first year, Now he had Vic Fangio,

482
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Speaker 1: but they went twelve and four, and they made the

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Speaker 1: playoffs in Chicago and won the division, hosted a playoff game.

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Speaker 1: I don't expect them to win the division if Aaron

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Speaker 1: Rodgers stays with the Packers. But if Aaron Rodgers leaves,

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Speaker 1: there is really no excuse for Kevin O'Connell Beside, he

487
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 1: just might not be a good coach. We won't know

488
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Speaker 1: until we see him coach to not win that division

489
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Speaker 1: because they have talent, and they have a lot of

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Speaker 1: offensive firepower, and they just have a quarterback. Like you

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Speaker 1: look at Brian Dable and Joe Shane and New York.

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Speaker 1: They're inheriting a team with Daniel fucking Jones, like ultimately,

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Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel is inheriting a team with two a tongue byloa.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm not expecting much out of either one

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Speaker 1: of those guys now. I hope, especially Mike McDaniel. I'm

496
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Speaker 1: a big fan. I hope the New York Giants are

497
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Speaker 1: good because huge fan base, be good for the league.

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Speaker 1: But I'm not expecting either one of those teams to

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Speaker 1: be playoff teams. Help Brian Flores was a good coach

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Speaker 1: and couldn't make the playoffs. Now you would say in Miami,

501
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Speaker 1: their offense probably be a little better, their defense come

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Speaker 1: back to earth. Maybe they are seven eight win team.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but Minnesota like a huge reason they

504
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Speaker 1: like Ultimately, Mike Zimmer felt like kind of lost his

505
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Speaker 1: fastball in the last couple of years. They you know,

506
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Speaker 1: and they went through some personnel stuff, but they've always

507
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Speaker 1: had good players. The coaching just wasn't very good. Now,

508
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Speaker 1: if this guy is good, and we won't know until

509
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Speaker 1: we see him coach, because he's been on teams where

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Speaker 1: he hasn't been the offensive play caller. If he's a

511
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Speaker 1: good dynamic play caller, he has good dynamic offensive weapons,

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Speaker 1: Minnesota could be good next year. Hell, they have been

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Speaker 1: kind of good the last couple of years. They've just

514
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Speaker 1: had some flaws and they just you know, eight, nine,

515
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Speaker 1: nine and nine and seven, Like that's just kind of

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Speaker 1: they could be especially if Rogers leaves to me eleven

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Speaker 1: and sixteen. Uh. And that's the thing with Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 1: One story today is Tom Clement. Remember McCarthy I think

519
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Speaker 1: fired him as their quarterback coach, and Rogers piste off.

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00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 1: Rogers already thought McCarthy was a big meat head and

521
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Speaker 1: then he fired his guy that he really loved, well,

522
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Speaker 1: a huge part of the Rogers drama. To me, Rogers,

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Speaker 1: it's it's lucky that he's as good he is because

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Speaker 1: I hate it like this again, it feels what I

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00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 1: said about Kyler Murray. Kyler Murray feels NBA. And when

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Speaker 1: you feel NBA when from a drama standpoint, like it's

527
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,640
Speaker 1: too much for me, it's it's too much fluff. It's

528
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: too much like all about Twitter. It it doesn't interest me,

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Speaker 1: it bores me. And like to me Kyler Murray thing,

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Speaker 1: I just think it's clown activity. Now why I don't

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Speaker 1: totally think that with Rogers because one of the best

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Speaker 1: players I've ever seen, and if you're gonna be one

533
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Speaker 1: of the best, like ultimately, Kevin Durant can be kind

534
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Speaker 1: of weird, but he's a top ten player of all time.

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Speaker 1: Like he's one of the most talented human beings I've

536
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Speaker 1: ever seen at his sport. Barry Bonds royal asshole. You

537
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:37,439
Speaker 1: know why Barry Bonds didn't bother me because I grew

538
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Speaker 1: up a Giants fan and he hit forty five home

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Speaker 1: runs a year, and then he did the cream and

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Speaker 1: the clearan started hitting six, you know, if you're gonna

541
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Speaker 1: be the cream of the crop, the best in the business,

542
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 1: like I can handle a diva Taylor Swiss a little

543
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Speaker 1: bit of diva. She also slings about two or a a

544
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 1: million records or downloads or whatever. Right, I I can

545
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Speaker 1: deal with it like I can deal with Aaron Rodger shit.

546
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Speaker 1: And I don't even I don't even think it can

547
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 1: be a little overblown, but clearly he just drama, follows

548
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 1: the guy around, but is one of the greatest players

549
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 1: to ever play the position. Ideally, what I want, Brady,

550
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 1: what I want, Manning what I want? You know, Mahomes

551
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: or Josh Allen like no drama, of course, but that's

552
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 1: not always the case. And that's why I disagree a

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00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: little bit with Colin. Colin thinks like Kyler, Murray's gotta

554
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 1: handle the drama. Like Colin, he's not good enough to

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00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 1: handle his drama. Do you know He's he's talented, but

556
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,640
Speaker 1: the last two years down the stretch, he's gotten throttled.

557
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: He's become It used to be Tommy Losorda said it

558
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 1: was a limo guy. I'm gonna change it to an

559
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 1: uber guy. You're sending the uber to pick Kyler Murray

560
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 1: up in a big game because I don't want him

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00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: to miss a snap, right. Tommy Losorder used to say

562
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Speaker 1: when he wanted to make sure Bobacco was in the

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Speaker 1: lineup pizza in a limo to the hotel to make

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Speaker 1: sure that he was in this you know, you know,

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00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 1: get his A B s because he was strike that

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Speaker 1: dude out right. And that's the same thing with Kyler Murray,

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Speaker 1: Like I don't want a player in Rodgers. I got

568
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: no problem in January December playing Kyler Murray. Look at

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00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: the evidence. So the thing with Aaron Rodgers is all

570
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: these teams are like hiring his people. When does this

571
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 1: ever happen? It doesn't because that's not the way it

572
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 1: works in the NFL, But it shows you how good

573
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Speaker 1: he is. Like Dr Rivers used to say, and he

574
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: probably still says this, as long as your talent is

575
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 1: better than your problems, you're okay. But the moment your

576
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 1: problems exceed your talent, we got an issue. And in

577
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 1: pro sports they say bye bye to you. In normal

578
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 1: people's jobs, like it's hard for you to be that

579
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Speaker 1: good at your job. The moment you're a problem, let's

580
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 1: get rid of you, right, but in sports, it's so

581
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 1: it's so obvious that there's you. Everyone's trying to play

582
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 1: kate right now to Aaron Rodgers, now, I still believe

583
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 1: and I don't. I don't have any inside information on this.

584
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 1: Just feels like gut information watching this story from Afar

585
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 1: that he's gonna be on the Denver Broncos. But it

586
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 1: does feel like the Green Bay Packers. And I remember

587
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: when it happened in the off season, I was like,

588
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, it's gonna be very, very difficult

589
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: for Guda Kins and these guys to figure it out

590
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: because as a young scout and the way he came up,

591
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 1: they don't teach you how to do this, right. He's

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Speaker 1: not Guda Kins isn't the business man. He was a

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Speaker 1: talent evaluator. He was like writing up guys, right, He's

594
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 1: used to going to combine the Senior Bowl. Like, he's

595
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: not into managing relationships. But I'll give him credit. And

596
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: maybe Laflores played a huge role in this, because part

597
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: of being a coach, you're much you're you're managing relationships

598
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 1: much more than you are as a general managers. Definitely

599
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 1: as a scout, as a GM, you have to. They've

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00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: done a good job. I mean that they have done

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00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: everything humanly possible to put themselves in position to keep

602
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: the you know, arguably the most talented player, you know,

603
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: you say, Reggie White and history of the franchise, right,

604
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: So I actually think the Packers, you know, I still

605
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: think he's gonna go to them bar Broncos. But I'm

606
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: open to the you know, to the possibility if someone

607
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: told me, you know what, Aaron Rodgers stays in Green

608
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 1: Bay because from a football standpoint, not even a question

609
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: if he wants to win, he goes to the Green

610
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: Bay Packer, stays with the Green Bay Packers. They keep

611
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 1: you know, Davantae Adams, they signed some more guys. They're

612
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 1: gonna win in twelve thirteen games, and they're gonna host

613
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: playoff games now as we saw against the Niners. Like,

614
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: it's actually not ideal when your star players, your quarterback,

615
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: you know, and you have a passing offense to host

616
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Speaker 1: playoff games and minus five. But that's just is what

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Speaker 1: it is. If if the Packer were a Dome team,

618
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: they'd be like the Colts. They'd win fifteen games a

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Speaker 1: year and they'd be really tough. But it actually neutralizes

620
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: their greatest strength was just their quarterback. When they're playing

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Speaker 1: at Lambeau, you know, in the frozen tundra, it's hard

622
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: to win that way. But if he stays to me,

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Speaker 1: they're right there with the Rams, immediate favorites to win

624
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Speaker 1: the NFC. Right, So it's just I I definitely give

625
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 1: them a possibility to uh, to keep them. It feels

626
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 1: like they've just put themselves in position. That's all they

627
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: could ask because when the season began, it was like

628
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: he's gone, he hates these guys, and now it feels like,

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Speaker 1: you know, he kind of likes everybody, which is which

630
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 1: is positive. They just saw on TMZ broke up with

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Speaker 1: his fiancee as someone that's never been engaged. You now

632
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 1: obviously money to Rogers. Do you get your ring back?

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Speaker 1: She get to keep it? How does what's the what's

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00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 1: the protocol on that? Uh not that you know, so listen,

635
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Speaker 1: you give it to her to her property, but you

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Speaker 1: him in Michigan are working and they have the most

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Speaker 1: successful season of their tenure last season, but it's kind

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Speaker 1: of been weird ever since, right, I mean he it

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Speaker 1: sure felt like he wanted the Minnesota Vikings job and

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Speaker 1: is a little crazy. If I was them, I would

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Speaker 1: rather have Jim Harbaugh than Kevin O'Connell. Now I get

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Speaker 1: it from their general manager standpoint, who wants to control

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Speaker 1: everything and these gms kind of want to operate now

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Speaker 1: like it's basketball or baseball. But ultimately, you're only as

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Speaker 1: good as a GM as your head coach. So if

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Speaker 1: your head coach is good, you get credit because then

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Speaker 1: you become good. Like ultimately, Trent Baulky went to three

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Speaker 1: conference championship games in Super Bowl because of Jim Harball.

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Speaker 1: We saw him with Urban Meyer. I mean, he was

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Speaker 1: holding on first job for dear life and he easily

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Speaker 1: could have been fired. So you're you're only as good

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Speaker 1: as a GM as your head coach. Part of the

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Speaker 1: reason Ron Wolf became kind of a genius because he

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Speaker 1: hired Mike homebren and then he traded for Brett Favan.

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Speaker 1: Homegrown created an m v P right Like who your

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Speaker 1: head coaches makes you look good as a GM. So

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Speaker 1: hiring Kevin O'Connell it's pretty risky to me. And if

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Speaker 1: you would have hired Jim Harball, like they would be

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Speaker 1: in position in my you know, opinion to be good immediately,

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Speaker 1: Like there wouldn't even be a question if you said

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Speaker 1: Jim harborow is in Minnesota Vikings head coach, I'd be

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Speaker 1: back ten wins. But now he goes back to Michigan. Listen,

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Speaker 1: Ohio State, My issue with Ohio State. Under Ryan Day,

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Speaker 1: he has done a remarkable job coaching the quarterbacks and

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Speaker 1: coaching offense and coaching skill guys. They have as explosive

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Speaker 1: of an offense in the history of the school. What

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Speaker 1: they did the Rose Bowl. I mean, it looked like

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Speaker 1: the greatest show on turf for something. It was stupid.

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Speaker 1: They played no defense though, because his mentor, Chip Kelly,

687
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: despises defense. Every single one of Chip Kelly's teams are

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Speaker 1: soft because all he cares about his offense. He's obsessed

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Speaker 1: with offense. Ultimately, Ohio State, like in my lifetime when

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Speaker 1: they've been good, and they've been good the majority of

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Speaker 1: my lifetime, but specifically the last two decades, they have

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Speaker 1: been dominant on defense. Urban Myers teams, some of those

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Speaker 1: two thousand trestle teams, they would beat the living you

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Speaker 1: know what they were like, they played like Georgia Alabama

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Speaker 1: or Urban Meyers Florida teams. They go, we got pros

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Speaker 1: on every single level line, linebacker, secondary, and we're gonna

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Speaker 1: kick the ship out of you. So let's roll. Well.

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Speaker 1: Ryan Day's team is like, yeah, we're gonna score fifty points.

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Speaker 1: We might give up forty, like that's now. They did

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Speaker 1: hire a new defensive coordinator. They do from Ohio State

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Speaker 1: or excuse me, Oklahoma State. But clearly they just have

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Speaker 1: better players in Michigan, Like does harbad Now that's kind

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Speaker 1: of a one off situation. We're losing Aidan Hutchinson. I

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Speaker 1: think they're losing another defensive lineman that's really good. Their

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Speaker 1: teams just not more likely be as good as they

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Speaker 1: were last year. And the more and more you know,

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Speaker 1: he's only beat him once, So as part of him

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Speaker 1: jumping is he's just tired of college. He wants to

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Speaker 1: go back to the pros. And I don't blame him.

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Speaker 1: He's not a college coach. He's a pro guy. Play

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Speaker 1: in the NFL for fifteen years, coaches coach multiple with

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Speaker 1: the three conference championship games. Do you know how many

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Speaker 1: coaches in the history of the NFL would sell their

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Speaker 1: left nut for Jim Harbaugh's resume in his four seasons.

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Speaker 1: People act like Jim Harbaugh and listen, I was going

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Speaker 1: to all these games that disastrous last season disaster they

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Speaker 1: went eight and eight. Do you know how many coaches

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Speaker 1: in the history of the league would sign up for

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Speaker 1: their lowest moment of their career in the pros was

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Speaker 1: five hundred. That to me is what makes Mike Tomlins

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Speaker 1: so in press is Mike Tomlins lows are not really

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Speaker 1: that low and as high as he won a super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: When you're lows are yeah I went nine and seven.

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Speaker 1: Yeah I went eight and eight like that, that's your lows,

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Speaker 1: like most lows are. You know, four and twelves, five

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Speaker 1: and eleven's you gotta add the game now. But I'm

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Speaker 1: just still brain wired to go off the sixteen game schedule.

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Speaker 1: But you know what I mean, four or five wins.

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Speaker 1: Hard bus Low was eight and he's the Minnesota Vikings

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Speaker 1: head coach. I think immediately, you know it's like that.

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Speaker 1: You know, if you listen. I argue with a lot

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Speaker 1: of people about Kyle Shanahan. His loves have been pretty low,

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Speaker 1: his eyes have been pretty high. Four playoff games three

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Speaker 1: years and went to a super Bowl. But as low

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Speaker 1: as you know, I've seen him draft two. You know

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Speaker 1: it's not ideal. So I'm draft two, so I'm going

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Speaker 1: six and ten two years ago. Besides are high. That's

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Speaker 1: the thing I'd give him. McVeigh a lot of credit.

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Speaker 1: It's why I think McVeigh has a chance to become

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Speaker 1: kind of legendary these next comps. I've seen mcveigh's low.

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Speaker 1: His low was nine and seven. He's gone in the

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Speaker 1: playoffs four or five years, four of those with a

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Speaker 1: guy named Jared. I guess three or the four were

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Speaker 1: Jared Goff. One playoff games, went to a super Bowl

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Speaker 1: with Jared Goff. That's why I give him and Kyle

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Speaker 1: a lot of credit. They've won playoff games with Jared

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Speaker 1: Goff and Jimmy Garoppolo. You gave McVeigh. Uh, Matt Stafford

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Speaker 1: won a super Bowl, Right, It's like La Floor. I've

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Speaker 1: been impressed with the Floor. I think he's done a

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Speaker 1: great job with Aaron Rodgers. They've kind of messed the

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Speaker 1: offense and letting Aaron do kind of a shotgun spread

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Speaker 1: it out with some of the Shanahan run concepts and

753
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: their offense last couple of years, multiple m vps. But

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Speaker 1: what would he look like if I just gave him,

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Speaker 1: you know, you know, an old Matt Ryan, right, um

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Speaker 1: A Kirk Cousins Like, would he win ten games or

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00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,320
Speaker 1: would he win seven? I don't I don't know the answer.

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Speaker 1: He's been lucky, and it's part of it is he

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Speaker 1: took the job that had Aaron Rodgers who needed a

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00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: lot of work, So you get credit for that. But

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Speaker 1: it's would how many games would the Packers win if

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Speaker 1: I just gave him Jimmy garoppolo. Would they go to

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Speaker 1: the playoffs? Maybe they would, maybe they wouldn't. Hell, we

764
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Speaker 1: might find out if if Aaron Rodgers bounces so hard

765
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Speaker 1: back coming back, which to me is good for college football,

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Speaker 1: like ultimately, and I'm a Jim Harbaugh when I say

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Speaker 1: fan like, he entertains me. I I like the Jim

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Speaker 1: Harbaugh experience. I think he's better in college for the

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Speaker 1: entertainment standpoint. And it feels inevitable his buyouts, like three

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Speaker 1: million dollars. He's gonna come back to the pros. You know,

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Speaker 1: you just you're always drawn where your heart is drawn.

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Speaker 1: And I think he you know that there is an

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Speaker 1: element to the NFL where it's just like we don't

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Speaker 1: none of the bullet like the n I L. It's

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Speaker 1: still kind of feel shady even though it's legal. Like

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Speaker 1: in the pros, weas to pay people like we'll give

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Speaker 1: you ten million dollars, we'll give you five million dollars.

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Speaker 1: We want you to be our defensive coordinator. Here's two

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Speaker 1: million dollars. We want you to be our starting defensive end.

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Speaker 1: Here's eighteen million dollars a year. Right. It's just it's

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Speaker 1: very black and white. It's like, well, we'll see if

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Speaker 1: we get this guy to sponsor us to give you

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Speaker 1: a four hundred dollars for n I L. And one thing,

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Speaker 1: I have one take I have for n I L.

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Speaker 1: I heard Coward talk about he did a podcast with

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Speaker 1: Daryl Morey, and before they got into the interview, he

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Speaker 1: talked about Caleb Williams is gonna make five million dollars

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Speaker 1: this year, five million dollars from inn I L. And

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Speaker 1: I've been one of those people that I thought it

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Speaker 1: was very dis ingenuous for a lot of the sports

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Speaker 1: media that covers college sports that always acted like guys

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Speaker 1: who weren't getting paid. Guys were always getting paid the

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Speaker 1: top guys in cold heart cash. That's the way it

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Speaker 1: worked forever before I was born, and it's been going

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Speaker 1: on up until the n I L. The top guys

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Speaker 1: at the top schools were getting cash in basketball and football.

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Speaker 1: Everyone knows about. I mean, we have we have evidence

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Speaker 1: the Feds that they you know, they caught all those

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Speaker 1: people in college basketball. They're going right for college basketball

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Speaker 1: players like Hud hundred Grant. Now you can say it's

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Speaker 1: a little unfair their parents were getting money whatever, but

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Speaker 1: we can't act like they weren't getting paid now five

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Speaker 1: million dollars. No one's getting five million dollars. But here's

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Speaker 1: what I would say. Caleb Williams. We saw him play

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Speaker 1: last year at Oklahoma. Star player. I know this. If

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Speaker 1: I was in a businessman, I would be hesitant to

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Speaker 1: get involved with my university paying recruits one thing to

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Speaker 1: give twenty thousand or twenty thousand there. But if you

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Speaker 1: wanted five thousand dollars a million dollars to give one

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Speaker 1: individual half the college like I. All the athletic did

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Speaker 1: this article of the top one recruits from I think

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Speaker 1: two thousand eight teen. It was Trevor Lawrences Glass. It

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Speaker 1: might have been seven seventeen or eighteen Trevor Lawrences justin field.

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Speaker 1: It's one thing, but a lot of the names guys

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Speaker 1: are still in school. Guys never panned out. You know,

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Speaker 1: some guys are in the pros. Half the guys are

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Speaker 1: still trying to prove their worth. The r O I

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Speaker 1: to be the question on if a guy is gonna

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Speaker 1: You have absolutely no clue, especially at least in basketball.

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Speaker 1: If I'm getting the number one overall recruit, the percentage

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Speaker 1: chance in the history is Anthony Davis, Zion Williamson, like

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Speaker 1: you have a long history of Like most of the

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Speaker 1: guys are pretty good in football. You know, this guy's

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Speaker 1: a top twenty receiver in the country. He could be

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Speaker 1: the next Cooper Cup or he could be the next

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Speaker 1: guy you've never heard of. So I do wonder how

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Speaker 1: this plays out with some of these businesses, because they're

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Speaker 1: gonna cut a lot of checks, and the majority of

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Speaker 1: players are not gonna be Caleb Williams. They're not going

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Speaker 1: to turn into Reggie Bush. They're not going to turn

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Speaker 1: into Jamar Chase. Those guys are outliers. What do they

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Speaker 1: always say the the you know, two percent of guys

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Speaker 1: from high school football go on to play the pros,

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Speaker 1: and then a small percentage of people from college football,

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Speaker 1: or excuse me, a small percentage of people two percent

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Speaker 1: go on to play college football, and then a small

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Speaker 1: percentage of the college football players go to the pros.

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Speaker 1: Because most college players are just that college players. Now,

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Speaker 1: they have some value, But some of the numbers that

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Speaker 1: I see that these guys are getting paid these millions

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Speaker 1: upon millions of dollars. It's not gonna pencil because you're

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Speaker 1: gonna be like, wait, I just gave a million dollars

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Speaker 1: to the Star wide receiver coming out of Arizona. If

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Speaker 1: I'm the University of Texas, what if that guy never

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Speaker 1: plays in three years? What if in two years he transfers? Now,

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Speaker 1: they're gonna be some guys that you feel very good about,

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Speaker 1: like a Caleb Williams like, uh, you know, and Aiden

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Speaker 1: Hutchinson like uh, you know, Jamar Chase, Joe Burrow, Justin Jefferson.

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Speaker 1: But like I said that, those guys are more closer

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Speaker 1: to anomalies. Those guys are closer to not being the

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Speaker 1: norm most guys. I remember when the Raiders drafted Mario

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Speaker 1: Edwards Jr. In the second round. He came from or

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Speaker 1: to State, some of those good Jimbo teams, and it

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Speaker 1: was like they got this guy who was the number

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Speaker 1: one overall high school recruit in the second round. He

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Speaker 1: was a good player, but if you would have paid

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Speaker 1: him for what he people thought he would have been,

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Speaker 1: would have been like a top five pick, been an

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Speaker 1: elite player, which he was not. In college and he's

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Speaker 1: still in the NFL, and he's very talented. But like

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Speaker 1: for every Debuon Clowney, you know, for every Khalil Mack

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Speaker 1: level player, and Khalil obviously went to a smaller school,

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Speaker 1: most guys do not become that. Anyone listening to this

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Speaker 1: that follows you know, if you went to a big

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Speaker 1: school Ohio State, Texas, Oklahoma, Florida, or whatever, USC Oregon

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Speaker 1: and you kind of loosely follow recruiting, you know that

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Speaker 1: most of your guys you read about these huge recruits,

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Speaker 1: you know, a percentage of them become like legitimate impact players.

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Speaker 1: Another percent just become starters and then probably become a

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Speaker 1: relevant transfer, never play. That's just the nature of the

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Speaker 1: sport of football. So I think it's gonna be very

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Speaker 1: very fast and eating to watch people investing into eighteen

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Speaker 1: year old guys. I I think for every person that

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Speaker 1: you know tried to get in Tiger Woods when he

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Speaker 1: was fifteen years old, there have been a lot of

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Speaker 1: tiger Woods before and since that did not become Tiger Woods.

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Speaker 1: There have been a lot of Jadeveon Clowney's that that

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Speaker 1: or Julio Jones that were the number one recruiting and

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Speaker 1: the number one overall pick or number six overall pick,

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Speaker 1: whatever Julio was. They were undrafted free agents or we're

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Speaker 1: not very good college players. So it's just it's a

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Speaker 1: fascinating thing that it's gonna it's gonna take some time

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Speaker 1: to play out, but I already see the overreaction to

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Speaker 1: think every single kid's gonna get millions upon millions of dollars,

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Speaker 1: maybe at first, you know, maybe at first, but eventually

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Speaker 1: some of these kids are gonna have to produce. And

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Speaker 1: that's what I already see, Like, I don't know who,

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Speaker 1: some of these guys are just not gonna live up

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Speaker 1: to their money. Appreciate everyone listening. You guys know the drill.

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