WEBVTT - Trevor Immelman 0:00:06.080 --> 0:00:08.640 It's the Son of a Butcher podcast. I'm your host, 0:00:09.080 --> 0:00:12.360 Claude Harmon. We always come to you every Wednesday. Huge 0:00:12.400 --> 0:00:16.279 week last week in professional golf, the President's Cup, and 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:19.720 so so happy to get an opportunity to talk to 0:00:19.760 --> 0:00:24.000 the international team captain Trevor Immelman. We had him on 0:00:24.040 --> 0:00:29.240 the podcast last year, very very early at the beginning. Um, 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:33.080 he's a friend, Um, and I think he did an 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:37.760 unbelievable job. And I was really really excited that he 0:00:38.120 --> 0:00:40.720 had the time to take to talk to us about 0:00:40.880 --> 0:00:44.400 last week and all things President's Cup. 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So now 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:51.919 let's get to the interview with the International President's Cup 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:59.919 captain Trevor Immelman. All right, my guest is the cat 0:03:00.280 --> 0:03:03.240 of the International President's Cup Team, Trevor. I went to 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:06.440 the first President's Cup, believe it or not. That's how 0:03:06.480 --> 0:03:10.680 old I am. I think I remember it because one 0:03:10.720 --> 0:03:12.840 it was at R t J. My dad was working 0:03:12.840 --> 0:03:14.640 with Greg Norman at the time. But I remember I 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:17.160 went to the movie theater and saw Forest Gump in 0:03:17.200 --> 0:03:21.120 the movie theater. It's how old I am, trev Even 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:24.520 though you guys didn't get the victory again, it seems 0:03:24.560 --> 0:03:31.200 to me that there's finally some momentum for this international team. 0:03:31.320 --> 0:03:34.120 Um with the way you know they performed down in 0:03:34.160 --> 0:03:37.160 Australia a couple of years ago and then it seems 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:42.200 like there's a there's a team. UM. Do you feel that? Yeah? Yeah. 0:03:42.360 --> 0:03:44.760 First of all, great to join you man. Always always 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:48.360 enjoy chatting with you, bro. But we do feel that. 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:53.279 I think all of our squad members feel that Australia 0:03:53.400 --> 0:03:56.400 was huge for us. Captain Else was the perfect captain 0:03:56.440 --> 0:03:59.600 at the perfect time to really jump in there with 0:04:00.280 --> 0:04:04.760 some power and some backbone and make some changes that 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:07.720 we desperately needed and had needed for a number of years. 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:12.720 And he built this foundation for us, and we knew 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:15.760 what the plans were, the blueprints are, and carm Nita 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:17.960 and I just wanted to try and pick up that 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:20.560 ball and run with it and add a few bricks 0:04:20.600 --> 0:04:24.760 to that foundation so that for cups to come, you know, 0:04:24.800 --> 0:04:27.360 eventually this house is going to be built. Eventually, we're 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:30.880 gonna win this thing. We feel like we we have 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:34.479 the plans in place, we have the people and the 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:37.719 support staff in place. And then also on top of 0:04:37.760 --> 0:04:40.440 that and probably more importantly, quite honestly, because it's the 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:43.480 players who win this thing. We're started to see so 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:46.920 much talent come through from around the world. So if 0:04:46.920 --> 0:04:49.680 we can find a way to harness that talent get 0:04:49.720 --> 0:04:54.080 them comfortable playing in these team events, then you know, 0:04:54.120 --> 0:04:57.960 we think we're gonna get this done eventually. I it 0:04:58.040 --> 0:05:01.520 seems really really trivial. It I think the changing of 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:05.520 the logo in the shield was a huge, huge part 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:08.960 of this shift because it was the international team. The 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:11.839 colors were always weird. It never really kind of you 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:14.960 played in oh five and oh seven, it it kind 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:18.279 of made sense, it kind of didn't make sense. But this, 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:21.159 this logo, the way that you guys dressed all in black, 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:26.160 it to me there seems to be an identity building 0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:29.160 for for an international team, which, as you know, Trevor 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:34.560 having played and now having captain the US, it's easy 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:36.320 for the guys to come together, right. They play for 0:05:36.320 --> 0:05:40.120 the United States, they play for America, the US a chance. 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:44.480 I mean, all that stuff is real, um, the fanatics 0:05:44.480 --> 0:05:49.360 which are fun, um, But I really feel like and 0:05:49.360 --> 0:05:52.960 and watching that there is an identity that guys coming 0:05:53.000 --> 0:05:55.320 into this every couple of years can touch and feel. 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:59.560 And I think the logo, the clothing, the way it's 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:03.400 being don now is giving the team something that I 0:06:03.440 --> 0:06:08.120 didn't see it having. Yeah, there's no doubt about that. 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:11.400 It was always a tricky thing for US. You know, 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:14.760 we would be blending people from seven eight nine different 0:06:14.800 --> 0:06:17.600 countries and in a lot of ways they would come 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:20.800 there representing their country rather than coming there to represent 0:06:20.920 --> 0:06:23.159 our team. And so I thought it really was a 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:28.440 pretty genius move from Ernie two. Want to step away 0:06:28.480 --> 0:06:31.320 from that and create something to where Okay, I don't 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:34.760 care if you come from Japan, China, Australia, South Africa, Canada, wherever. 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:38.440 When you come to the President's camp, you are not 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:43.320 representing those countries. You're representing the Shield. And the way 0:06:43.360 --> 0:06:47.520 he went about that process told that story. Um, you know, 0:06:47.640 --> 0:06:50.160 leaned on friends of his that are in Special forces 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:55.440 and stuff like that to design this logo that actually 0:06:55.480 --> 0:06:57.719 means something for us. We had a picture up in 0:06:57.720 --> 0:07:02.359 our team cabinet the golf course that explained exactly exactly 0:07:02.400 --> 0:07:05.719 what goes into the formation of this logo. And the players, 0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:10.680 you know, organically and from a grassroots level, are starting 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:14.040 to see that and buy into that, and that's that 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:19.840 really is the big difference. So you know, this this one. 0:07:20.000 --> 0:07:21.880 What we did for the first time that was quite 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:27.000 interesting was, uh, it was the first time we actually 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:31.680 wore team colors. We had the shield down in Australia 0:07:31.800 --> 0:07:33.840 last time, but we still had some green and a 0:07:33.880 --> 0:07:36.120 few different colors that we would wear in our uniforms. 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:38.640 And one of the changes I wanted to make was 0:07:39.160 --> 0:07:40.800 we were going to come to Charlotte and we were 0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:43.480 actually going to wear team colors, so Wednesday for the 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:46.640 official photo that was That was the first time we 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:50.600 wore black and gold for our official photo. Um, I 0:07:50.640 --> 0:07:53.640 didn't quite have the guts in the planning to throw 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:55.720 the black and gold in on a tournament day because 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:58.840 I wasn't sure how it was going to look. But 0:07:59.240 --> 0:08:01.480 I think it turned out pretty good. Maybe we'll throw 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:04.520 that in there on tournament days next time. But yeah, 0:08:04.560 --> 0:08:07.680 they're all black was for a number of reasons. Um. 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:10.440 Number one, you know it's our it's our main color. 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:13.000 The black and number two was a little bit of 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:16.440 a nod to the greatest international player ever, Gary Player. 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:18.720 He used to wear all black on Sundays when he 0:08:18.760 --> 0:08:21.640 was coming down the stretch. He's been kept in a 0:08:21.720 --> 0:08:24.119 number of times at this event, somebody that means something 0:08:24.160 --> 0:08:26.160 to us, So it had a bit of a duel 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:31.800 meaning there. Um. But yeah, it's been an incredible process. 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:35.200 It really has to be able to see guys buy 0:08:35.360 --> 0:08:38.439 into the Shield, buy into what this team stands for, 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:43.439 and most importantly want to represent the Shield and and 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:47.160 protect it at all costs. That for me has probably 0:08:47.200 --> 0:08:51.480 been the most rewarding thing through this process you played, 0:08:51.840 --> 0:08:55.640 you've been a captain. Um, how different? I mean very 0:08:55.679 --> 0:08:59.560 few people, Um get to do that, get to play 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:02.520 on a tider cop on, a president's cop on, a 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:05.800 walker cop on, you know, and play as a player 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:10.319 and then do it as a captain. Talk us through tever. 0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:14.640 How different the experiences as a captain versus a player. 0:09:14.640 --> 0:09:18.160 I mean, obviously the planning you had, you know, with 0:09:18.280 --> 0:09:20.840 COVID you had more time to plan. There's the planning 0:09:20.840 --> 0:09:23.640 side of it. But the feeling as as as a 0:09:23.720 --> 0:09:27.240 human being as a person, the difference between being a 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:30.640 player in this event and captain ng the team in 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:33.200 this event. What are the emotions and the feelings that 0:09:33.280 --> 0:09:37.560 you felt last week that were different than when you played. Yeah, 0:09:37.600 --> 0:09:41.160 the planning is the huge part. Like you said, we 0:09:41.240 --> 0:09:43.160 had the extra year and this kind of bleeds into 0:09:43.200 --> 0:09:48.920 the previous question as well. Um, you know, the American 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:52.320 team is such a jargonaut and America as a country 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:55.520 is such a powerful force and every athlete that has 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:58.360 ever represented the U S and WA on the red, white, 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:03.680 and blue h you know, the brand is so huge, 0:10:04.360 --> 0:10:06.720 and so that was that was one of the things 0:10:06.720 --> 0:10:08.840 that we wanted to add into this was how could 0:10:08.880 --> 0:10:11.320 we find a way through the use of the shield 0:10:11.320 --> 0:10:13.760 now to be able to have some merchandise out there 0:10:14.000 --> 0:10:17.400 to where people can, uh, you know, jump on our team, 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:21.839 support us. One of the things that always struck me was, 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:25.000 you know, for me, one of the beauties of the 0:10:25.120 --> 0:10:26.840 U S is you can go to any quarters. So 0:10:26.920 --> 0:10:28.640 you can go to seven eleven right now and you 0:10:28.640 --> 0:10:31.640 can buy a piece of merchandise with with the stars 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:34.520 and stripes on it, with an eagle on its something 0:10:34.600 --> 0:10:37.760 that that donates America. Yeah, it's so cool. And I 0:10:37.840 --> 0:10:40.480 was like, shocks, we don't have anywhere where even if 0:10:40.520 --> 0:10:43.080 we found a fan and by the way, we represent 0:10:43.240 --> 0:10:46.120 billions of people all over the world. Even if people 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:48.320 wanted to support us, there was nowhere they could go 0:10:48.960 --> 0:10:52.080 to buy some merch with the shield on. So, you know, 0:10:52.360 --> 0:10:54.400 that was part of the planning, That was part of 0:10:54.440 --> 0:11:00.199 building the brand and creating this franchise. That added, uh 0:11:01.360 --> 0:11:04.640 a lot of work in the planning stages trying to 0:11:04.679 --> 0:11:06.840 find a way to get get all of that done 0:11:07.520 --> 0:11:10.880 and then you know you really move on to Okay, 0:11:10.920 --> 0:11:14.559 how can I make this experience the greatest golfing experience? 0:11:14.640 --> 0:11:17.320 For each and every one of these players and team members, 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:22.520 whether it be support staff, caddies, wives, everybody. So, I mean, 0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:24.520 you've spent a lot of time with communitor, you know 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:27.880 how talented she is from that aspect, how dedicated she is. 0:11:27.920 --> 0:11:32.360 She thinks about every little details, very detail orientated. And 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:35.200 so we just systematically went through, Okay, this is what 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:37.040 the wives are going to have during the week, this 0:11:37.120 --> 0:11:39.360 is the process they're going to go through. These are 0:11:39.360 --> 0:11:41.280 the ways we're going to support them, the things we're 0:11:41.280 --> 0:11:43.680 going to give them. And we just went down the 0:11:43.720 --> 0:11:49.199 line with caddies, support staff, and then most importantly players. Um, So, 0:11:49.280 --> 0:11:54.600 the planning aspect was huge. I was spending I'm wanting 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:59.000 to say for the better part of two years. We 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:01.960 will probably invest sing four to five hours a day 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:06.240 in the planning phase. But then once all of that's done, 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:09.320 the golf balls in the air, you know, we get 0:12:09.320 --> 0:12:12.520 to Charlotte guys, guys are doing their work, and then 0:12:12.600 --> 0:12:15.679 really you're just trying to shepherd these guys, keep them 0:12:15.679 --> 0:12:18.960 in the right frame of mind, keep them happy, keep 0:12:19.000 --> 0:12:22.520 them loose and comfortable. And then really the job gets 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:25.360 a lot easier outside of the pics and trying to 0:12:25.360 --> 0:12:28.120 create the matchups that you think could give you the 0:12:28.160 --> 0:12:31.800 best possible chance when the tournament kicks off. But once 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:34.200 we got to the tournament, the work was pretty much over. 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:38.160 It was just um, you know, more a standpoint of 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:42.000 keeping these guys in the zone. Playing is totally different, 0:12:42.000 --> 0:12:47.160 because playing you come there very single minded. You come 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:49.440 there a little anxious about, Okay, how many times am 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:52.080 I going to play? So one of the things I 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:54.400 did was I let guys know before the week that 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:56.400 you know, this is how many times it looks like 0:12:56.440 --> 0:13:00.880 you're gonna play. These are your partners. Um, we always 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:03.160 have to be ready for adjustments. If somebody gets sick, 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:07.160 somebody gets injured, somebody starts making fifty foters on every hole, 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:09.360 we've got to be ready to be numble. But for 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:11.440 the most part, this is the format you're looking like, 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:13.480 you're plan These are the guys that you're gonna be 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:16.240 playing with. So we tried to prepare them as much 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:19.000 as we could for that. But as a player, yeah, 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:21.040 you come there single minded. You're trying to learn the 0:13:21.080 --> 0:13:24.520 golf course. You're trying to deal with the pressure, deal 0:13:24.640 --> 0:13:30.600 with the crowds, deal with people rooting against you and so, UM, 0:13:30.640 --> 0:13:32.959 you know, you come in there with a real narrow focus, 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:35.760 whereas as a captain, you come in there more looking 0:13:35.800 --> 0:13:40.319 at it from thirty thou feet being observants, saying, Okay, 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:42.400 I need to make a little tweak here. This seems 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:44.920 to be moving in the right direction. I like what 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:48.559 this is doing, so let's keep doing that. Uh, this 0:13:48.640 --> 0:13:50.880 is a complete disaster. We're gonna have to fix this 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:53.800 here in the next thirty minutes. So, UM, it's much 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:57.800 more of an overall observational view. UM, just pulling a 0:13:57.800 --> 0:14:02.480 few strings here or there. You've become very very close 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:06.040 with Dabo Sweeney, the head football coach at Clemson. UM. 0:14:06.120 --> 0:14:08.520 He is, without a doubt, one of the best football 0:14:08.559 --> 0:14:15.360 coaches in the country. UM. How much as a captain 0:14:15.840 --> 0:14:19.840 and as a leader did you take from your relationship 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:22.800 with Dabo in the way that he does things? Because 0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:27.000 we we talked about it before we started. UM, your 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:30.800 press conference on Saturday night, the way you gave your answers, 0:14:31.240 --> 0:14:33.200 the answers you were giving, the things that you were 0:14:33.200 --> 0:14:37.000 talking about reminded me a lot of a head football 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:40.200 coach of a head basketball coach, the way that they're 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:43.560 leading a program. Um, did you talk to Dabo in 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:45.600 In in the time coming up to this? Did you 0:14:45.600 --> 0:14:49.880 have conversations with him last week during the event. I 0:14:49.880 --> 0:14:51.720 speak to him all the time. He's become a really 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:54.280 really close friend of mine. I did not speak to 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:56.920 him last week because the Tigers have got a couple 0:14:56.920 --> 0:15:00.200 of big weeks ahead of him, plan wake for us 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:06.360 UM away last week and then playing a top tennis 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:09.520 team North Carolina State, so he's had his head down 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:12.160 in the weeds, really graft in making sure that these 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:14.680 guys already. I will say that I spent the two 0:15:14.720 --> 0:15:19.040 previous weekends in Clemson, went to the first two home games, 0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:22.640 spent a ton of time with him and with the team. 0:15:22.840 --> 0:15:26.920 Actually spoke to the team on the Thursday before UH 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:31.200 their game a couple of weeks ago. And yeah, I've 0:15:31.280 --> 0:15:34.880 learned a lot from him, a lot a lot from 0:15:34.920 --> 0:15:40.080 observing the way he does things um and then spending 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:43.040 you know, one on one quality time with him. We 0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:45.760 we we spent four days together down in the Bahamas 0:15:46.000 --> 0:15:49.400 before the PGA Championship, So I do get a lot 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:52.200 of time where we have the ability to go back 0:15:52.240 --> 0:15:54.480 and forth and pick each other's brain and start to 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:58.160 understand the little things that work. And he asked me 0:15:58.160 --> 0:16:01.360 a much as much about golf and things that I've 0:16:01.480 --> 0:16:03.840 learned from people I've been able to hang around, like 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:07.960 you know, Tiger and all the best players, stuff that 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:11.080 I've observed that those athletes do. And so the two 0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:13.840 of us are constantly learning from each other. But you know, 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:17.440 one of the things about him that has always struck 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:26.320 me is, uh, you know, winning is important. When his 0:16:26.600 --> 0:16:30.960 winning is extremely important, It's it's why we compete. But 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:34.960 for Dabbo, it's not the most important. The most important 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:40.600 thing is raising good men, helping raise good men. And 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:42.400 you know where his role in my role was a 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:47.080 little different was, Um, you know, I'm dealing with professional athletes. 0:16:47.120 --> 0:16:50.800 I'm dealing guys with guys in their twenties, thirties and forties, 0:16:51.320 --> 0:16:53.720 whereas he's dealing with kids right out of high school, 0:16:53.760 --> 0:16:58.240 so they're still in their formulative years. And his number 0:16:58.360 --> 0:17:03.760 one priority is raising good citizens and raising good men. Um. 0:17:03.800 --> 0:17:07.120 And that's something that really always has struck me. That's 0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:10.080 that's the thing that he focuses on most and from 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:13.040 there he believes that they will be able to make 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:16.800 the right decisions and once they have those things in place, 0:17:17.840 --> 0:17:20.800 then it's easier for you to fulfill your potential out 0:17:20.920 --> 0:17:25.359 on the field of play because there's much less conflict 0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:29.320 in your heart and in your brain. So so you know, 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:32.440 that's something that really he has impressed on me a 0:17:32.440 --> 0:17:36.720 lot over the last decade or so. It's it's one 0:17:36.720 --> 0:17:40.719 of the things that that I really focused on, was 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:44.119 how can you manage your personnel. You know, I can't 0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:47.600 treat some Jim the way I treat Adam Scott, the 0:17:47.640 --> 0:17:51.600 way I treat Taylor Pendrous, the way I treat Seawoo Kim. 0:17:51.640 --> 0:17:53.920 You know, you've got to understand your players. You've got 0:17:53.920 --> 0:17:57.040 to understand what makes them tick. You've got to understand 0:17:57.080 --> 0:18:00.199 how to put them in their sweet spot so they 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:03.800 can go out there and play free without anything holding 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:08.560 them down. And uh, and that was what I tried 0:18:08.600 --> 0:18:11.240 to do. That was really the thing that I focused 0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:15.240 on most. We I remember sitting in your apartment um 0:18:15.280 --> 0:18:17.280 in London, what was it, oh two, and we were 0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:20.560 watching the Ryder Cup at the Belfry, the one that 0:18:20.600 --> 0:18:23.480 Paul McGinley hold that pot, and we were I mean, 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:28.560 I think when I look back at the US Ryder 0:18:28.600 --> 0:18:32.360 Cup team and talking about the captain c thing. There 0:18:32.359 --> 0:18:34.320 seemed to be a time with the US to where 0:18:34.359 --> 0:18:37.600 the captain wanted to come in and kind of stamp 0:18:37.720 --> 0:18:43.439 his authority on the players and kind of say, listen, 0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:46.600 this is this is the way we do things. UM 0:18:46.640 --> 0:18:48.679 and the players, I think in talking to them and 0:18:48.720 --> 0:18:50.560 being around some of these Ryder Cup teams that I've 0:18:50.560 --> 0:18:52.800 been lucky enough to be around, the players were kind 0:18:52.800 --> 0:18:55.239 of like, hey man, just can we just do what 0:18:55.280 --> 0:18:57.359 we do? Just let us do what we do. And 0:18:57.400 --> 0:19:00.160 I think the Europeans always did that. I think Paul 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:03.520 McGinley was the best example of that um at at 0:19:03.520 --> 0:19:06.520 Glenn Eagles when Victor Dubisson, who's who is a very 0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:09.719 interesting character. Victor kind of wanted to be on his 0:19:09.720 --> 0:19:13.360 own program, and Tom Watson that year was very much 0:19:13.440 --> 0:19:17.679 kind of doing the Tom Watson old school role, which 0:19:17.960 --> 0:19:19.879 we all know how that kind of turned out. But 0:19:20.280 --> 0:19:22.280 in talking to Paul, Paul said that he went to 0:19:22.320 --> 0:19:25.320 all of the players and said, listen, you tell me 0:19:25.480 --> 0:19:29.680 what you need from us so that you can perform 0:19:29.840 --> 0:19:32.560 your best. And you know when I look at you know. 0:19:32.680 --> 0:19:36.560 And in talking about Dabbo trev Um, if Dabo came 0:19:36.560 --> 0:19:41.000 in and said to the program, Okay, no tattoos, no earrings, 0:19:41.359 --> 0:19:43.879 no dreadlocks. This is the way we did things in 0:19:43.960 --> 0:19:48.600 nineteen seventy. There's no music. This is which they lose 0:19:48.680 --> 0:19:51.520 the players now. And I think that the US Ryder 0:19:51.560 --> 0:19:53.880 Cup team has done a fantastic job in the last 0:19:53.880 --> 0:19:59.160 couple of years as to letting the players be the players. Um, 0:19:59.200 --> 0:20:03.200 I thought it whistling straits. The players basically did what 0:20:03.240 --> 0:20:06.280 they what they normally do, and this is gonna sound 0:20:06.840 --> 0:20:09.760 not from an area. They did what they wanted to 0:20:09.840 --> 0:20:13.800 do because they know what they do best to perform. 0:20:13.840 --> 0:20:16.640 And I think the one thing that everybody doesn't realize 0:20:16.640 --> 0:20:19.720 about the international team for the President's Cup is you're 0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:23.919 bringing all of these players in from different countries, but 0:20:24.040 --> 0:20:27.960 also you have a massive language barrier. Um, You've got 0:20:27.960 --> 0:20:29.719 to get k J. Choi, who can speak to all 0:20:29.800 --> 0:20:32.040 the Koreans. You've got to bring in a guy like 0:20:32.080 --> 0:20:36.240 Camillo to make um the guys that speak Spanish make 0:20:36.280 --> 0:20:41.320 them feel more comfortable, mitoum to make them feel that. Um. 0:20:41.440 --> 0:20:44.920 You have to let the players in individual sports be 0:20:45.119 --> 0:20:49.119 themselves in the team format. And I think that's a 0:20:49.200 --> 0:20:52.960 really interesting balance because, as you said, Listen, you're dealing 0:20:53.000 --> 0:20:56.280 with professionals who are in an individual sport and every 0:20:56.320 --> 0:20:58.320 two years you're going, Okay, now you're part of a team. 0:20:58.359 --> 0:21:00.959 That's that's tough. And that's why think you know, I 0:21:01.000 --> 0:21:04.280 saw a lot of the stuff that I that I 0:21:04.400 --> 0:21:09.360 hear from Dabbo and stuff in in this this team concept, um, 0:21:09.400 --> 0:21:13.400 and I know that's hugely important to you. Yeah. Yeah, Look, 0:21:13.480 --> 0:21:19.199 I learned a long time ago that forcing people to 0:21:19.320 --> 0:21:24.160 do something is not the best way to get their 0:21:24.280 --> 0:21:29.879 best out of them. You know, it just doesn't. You 0:21:29.960 --> 0:21:32.399 have to find a way to get people to buy 0:21:32.440 --> 0:21:38.280 in to what the common goal is and and then 0:21:38.320 --> 0:21:40.240 they'll give their best and then they'll be in a 0:21:40.280 --> 0:21:44.359 position to be able to reach their full potential. But 0:21:44.520 --> 0:21:47.040 trying to force people, whether it be through mandates or 0:21:47.280 --> 0:21:51.720 rules or anything like that, it just doesn't work. It 0:21:51.920 --> 0:21:56.280 just doesn't work. And you know that was probably cemented 0:21:56.320 --> 0:22:00.679 in my mind, um, just with my kids growing and 0:22:00.720 --> 0:22:05.159 the way I decided eventually to to start parenting them is, 0:22:05.960 --> 0:22:09.200 you know, you you can't just enforce the law all 0:22:09.280 --> 0:22:11.320 the time. You have to be able to have an 0:22:11.320 --> 0:22:15.480 open and honest conversation and allow them to realize why 0:22:15.560 --> 0:22:18.959 what you're saying is correct. And once they realized that, 0:22:19.359 --> 0:22:21.960 and that logic starts to kick in, and that belief 0:22:22.000 --> 0:22:24.359 starts to kick in, then they just want to do 0:22:24.400 --> 0:22:28.800 the right thing anyway. And you know, that's really the 0:22:28.840 --> 0:22:31.199 model we've gone with and why I said, you know, 0:22:31.280 --> 0:22:33.760 you you have to be able to understand your personnel. 0:22:34.280 --> 0:22:38.280 It's priority number one. And that's why I decided a 0:22:38.320 --> 0:22:40.520 couple of years ago that we would have we would 0:22:40.560 --> 0:22:44.679 create a squad mentality. We would we would have twenty 0:22:44.720 --> 0:22:48.080 five guys that would be constantly coming to dinners, playing 0:22:48.080 --> 0:22:54.880 practice rounds, hanging out, flying together, um, just becoming more 0:22:54.920 --> 0:23:00.280 and more comfortable in each other's presence. And then you 0:23:00.320 --> 0:23:02.960 start to add the little things like, uh, you know, 0:23:03.280 --> 0:23:06.760 having a South American mentor they're like Camillo having a 0:23:06.880 --> 0:23:11.240 Korean mentor they're like kJ Mike, Jeff. These are all 0:23:11.320 --> 0:23:13.560 people that have been there and done that. They've all 0:23:13.560 --> 0:23:16.120 been to the top of the game in some way, 0:23:16.160 --> 0:23:20.480 shape or form, and they're well respected not just because 0:23:20.520 --> 0:23:23.440 of their games, but because of the men that they are. 0:23:23.920 --> 0:23:26.320 And so it's very easily then for the golfers to 0:23:26.359 --> 0:23:29.440 fall in line and start to understand how those guys 0:23:29.480 --> 0:23:32.119 do things and why they do things, and it's it's 0:23:32.160 --> 0:23:38.919 an extremely important part. And really, you know, it's not 0:23:39.080 --> 0:23:46.640 as important when you're on a run and you're playing well, 0:23:47.320 --> 0:23:52.159 but it was extremely important on Thursday night and particularly 0:23:52.200 --> 0:23:56.960 Friday night, when we're eight two down and really at 0:23:57.000 --> 0:23:59.480 this point now we're facing getting shut out in this 0:23:59.600 --> 0:24:04.119 tournament being over on Saturday night. That's when that stuff 0:24:04.200 --> 0:24:08.920 really starts to kick in, because now these players are 0:24:08.960 --> 0:24:15.560 willing and able and interested and motivated in digging deeper 0:24:15.600 --> 0:24:19.600 than what they've ever gone before and finding out something 0:24:19.720 --> 0:24:23.160 new about themselves and about their teammates and about their 0:24:23.200 --> 0:24:26.359 captains and about their partners in the whole locker room. 0:24:26.640 --> 0:24:29.960 That to me is something that's extremely special. And you 0:24:30.040 --> 0:24:32.000 look at you know, you don't have to go that 0:24:32.160 --> 0:24:36.560 far back. You just go to Whistling Straits and you 0:24:36.640 --> 0:24:39.719 consider that US team and you take a look at 0:24:39.760 --> 0:24:43.439 somebody like Scotty Scheffler, who at that point really was 0:24:44.800 --> 0:24:47.520 on the verge of making the US team. He wasn't 0:24:47.520 --> 0:24:49.959 a lock, he wasn't a luck by any means. There 0:24:49.960 --> 0:24:52.720 could have been four or five other players that Steve 0:24:52.760 --> 0:24:57.480 Stricker picked instead of Scotty Scheffler. But Scottie Scheffler went there, 0:24:58.480 --> 0:25:01.159 he learned something about himself, if he learned something about 0:25:01.240 --> 0:25:04.480 his game, and man, within six months, he was the 0:25:04.520 --> 0:25:08.480 world's number one golfer, the Master's champion, he rilled off 0:25:08.520 --> 0:25:10.920 four wins in a season, was the player of the year. 0:25:11.800 --> 0:25:15.520 And the guy is just an absolute stud now. And 0:25:16.920 --> 0:25:19.520 I really do put that down to the experience that 0:25:19.600 --> 0:25:23.600 he had with those great players in great corps at 0:25:23.600 --> 0:25:28.320 Whistling Straits. And I'm hoping that that somebody on our team, 0:25:28.960 --> 0:25:33.280 whether it's a song JM or a Sea woo uh. 0:25:33.320 --> 0:25:35.520 You know, a lot of these players, but Saden, how 0:25:35.520 --> 0:25:37.640 it goes out there and earns one and a half 0:25:37.680 --> 0:25:40.160 out at two points, you know, hopefully one of them 0:25:40.200 --> 0:25:44.960 found something inside themselves that you know, not necessarily that 0:25:45.000 --> 0:25:51.119 they didn't think was there, but um, they now know 0:25:51.200 --> 0:25:54.439 how to access it. They now know how to access it. 0:25:54.960 --> 0:25:56.840 And I look forward to seeing what the next twelve 0:25:56.880 --> 0:25:59.640 months holds for those guys. So let's take a short 0:25:59.680 --> 0:26:07.199 break and we will be back right after this. All right, 0:26:07.280 --> 0:26:12.040 let's get back to the interview. He didn't get the 0:26:12.040 --> 0:26:14.119 wind that that I know that you and everybody in 0:26:14.160 --> 0:26:17.080 the international side wanted. Um, I think you were up 0:26:17.080 --> 0:26:20.840 against some difficult cumstances. Obviously in the current state of 0:26:20.840 --> 0:26:23.600 world golf affairs, with with all of the stuff going on, 0:26:24.160 --> 0:26:26.280 it would be easy to talk about for you as 0:26:26.320 --> 0:26:30.239 an international captain travel the players that you didn't have 0:26:30.320 --> 0:26:34.520 at your disposal that could have helped. But the team 0:26:34.560 --> 0:26:38.520 that you had, man, I mean you there was some 0:26:38.560 --> 0:26:41.320 good performances. I mean we joked last year when I 0:26:41.359 --> 0:26:43.560 was working with Sea Who Kim before he fired me. 0:26:43.960 --> 0:26:46.040 You were like, hey, you gotta get see where going 0:26:46.560 --> 0:26:49.480 because you and I both know and if everybody listening 0:26:49.520 --> 0:26:53.800 doesn't know, Seawood tries and about half the tournaments, half 0:26:53.800 --> 0:26:55.520 the tournaments on the PGA Tour, right, I mean he 0:26:55.560 --> 0:26:59.000 gives up, he bones it in. He's one of the worst. 0:26:59.000 --> 0:27:01.600 He will admit that too. You and I have talked 0:27:01.600 --> 0:27:04.360 about this. You were saying, you know all last year, 0:27:04.400 --> 0:27:07.480 come on, man, get and find some heart. I mean 0:27:07.640 --> 0:27:11.520 when Sea Who gave the Patrick read shushed the crowd 0:27:11.600 --> 0:27:15.719 thing people and I think this was really good as well. 0:27:15.760 --> 0:27:17.560 We saw the video that came out yesterday as Sung 0:27:17.640 --> 0:27:21.200 Jay doing the dance, which is one of the coolest things. Um, 0:27:21.640 --> 0:27:27.399 see who Tom Kim kge Lee. The Koreans genuinely outwardly 0:27:27.520 --> 0:27:33.280 to the fans are very very introverted, introspective that don't 0:27:33.400 --> 0:27:36.560 kind of show any emotions. But you and I know, 0:27:36.800 --> 0:27:41.960 see who off the golf course is really funny. He's mischievous, 0:27:42.240 --> 0:27:47.840 he likes to talk smack. To see that out of him, 0:27:47.880 --> 0:27:49.720 I mean, that's That's one of the things I love 0:27:49.760 --> 0:27:52.879 about these team competitions. It brings out a part of 0:27:52.920 --> 0:27:57.840 a player's personality that you've never really seen before. Yeah, 0:27:57.960 --> 0:28:01.680 for sure. Look as you said, he when I became captain, 0:28:01.760 --> 0:28:03.600 he was one of the guys that I hear marked 0:28:03.600 --> 0:28:05.399 that I thought, Okay, I have to have this to 0:28:06.080 --> 0:28:10.919 I have an incredible amount of respect for his golf 0:28:10.960 --> 0:28:15.360 game and his talent level I think he has. Ah. 0:28:16.520 --> 0:28:18.280 I want to say this in the right way, but 0:28:19.119 --> 0:28:22.320 there are very few golfers on the PGA Tour that 0:28:22.400 --> 0:28:25.840 have as high have a ceiling as Seawood Kimp. His 0:28:26.000 --> 0:28:32.120 best golf is can be put on a level with anybody. 0:28:31.920 --> 0:28:35.040 He just needs to find a way to be motivated 0:28:35.400 --> 0:28:39.160 to allow that to happen. And so even though his 0:28:39.280 --> 0:28:42.760 results were a little lack cluster when I was making 0:28:42.760 --> 0:28:45.840 the picks. I saw enough out of him and the 0:28:45.920 --> 0:28:47.760 days when I called him and texted him and I 0:28:47.800 --> 0:28:50.400 was like, I need a good round today, always sixty five, 0:28:50.560 --> 0:28:53.480 sixty six. The guy is just he's able to turn 0:28:53.520 --> 0:28:59.080 it on when he's interested. So I knew that within 0:28:59.160 --> 0:29:02.920 our team struck show, we would be able to keep 0:29:03.000 --> 0:29:07.560 him engaged and keep him locked in. And I had 0:29:07.640 --> 0:29:10.440 belief that if we could do that, he could really 0:29:10.480 --> 0:29:15.280 go out there and beat anybody. Um so, and I 0:29:15.320 --> 0:29:18.240 texted him. He called me on Monday to thank me 0:29:18.720 --> 0:29:21.080 for the week and thank me for picking him, and 0:29:21.120 --> 0:29:23.720 he told me that it was the best golfing week 0:29:23.840 --> 0:29:27.120 of his life. And I challenged him. I said to him, dude, 0:29:27.640 --> 0:29:32.560 you can play like that every time you play. You 0:29:32.720 --> 0:29:35.440 just gotta want to do it. And so that's going 0:29:35.480 --> 0:29:37.000 to be the thing for him. And he's one of 0:29:37.000 --> 0:29:39.000 those players that really could step up. But we've seen 0:29:39.040 --> 0:29:40.920 him when the players are ready. But he could win 0:29:40.960 --> 0:29:43.360 a major, no problem. Just got to find a way 0:29:43.400 --> 0:29:46.080 to be engaged for four or five days. But yeah, 0:29:46.120 --> 0:29:49.520 the Koreans, let me tell you, they really became the 0:29:49.560 --> 0:29:56.040 heartbeat of our team. Like you say, amazing personalities, try 0:29:56.160 --> 0:30:00.120 their best to speak English at every single opportunity. D 0:30:00.640 --> 0:30:04.000 they throw themselves out there, which in a team environment, 0:30:04.080 --> 0:30:06.600 that's really what you need. You need the players to 0:30:06.760 --> 0:30:11.400 be vulnerable as soon as possible in the team room, 0:30:11.400 --> 0:30:15.440 because once everybody sees that these big names are able 0:30:15.520 --> 0:30:19.240 to to be vulnerable, everybody buys in immediately. That's another 0:30:19.280 --> 0:30:23.000 thing that I learned from Dabbo and the Korean guys 0:30:23.080 --> 0:30:26.840 rarely did that by trying to speak English, by people 0:30:26.920 --> 0:30:29.080 having a laugh every now and then when they got 0:30:29.120 --> 0:30:31.840 the order of words mixed up, and then them having 0:30:31.880 --> 0:30:35.720 a laugh and um to a man, all four of 0:30:35.720 --> 0:30:43.320 those guys and kJ amazing humor, incredible humor and willing 0:30:43.360 --> 0:30:47.880 to make fun of everybody and themselves. Uh, just the best. 0:30:48.280 --> 0:30:51.240 And we had these conduits there with Tom and with 0:30:51.280 --> 0:30:54.480 our Korean translator Jim Park, to where you know, they 0:30:54.480 --> 0:30:58.000 could aid us with some of the translation and and 0:30:58.040 --> 0:31:04.000 really bring the point across. So gosh, I told him 0:31:04.040 --> 0:31:06.760 all I was on a text chain with him and 0:31:07.480 --> 0:31:11.000 with with the Korean guys, and I told him, you know, 0:31:11.120 --> 0:31:14.080 they were the heartbeat of our team. And I'm so 0:31:14.200 --> 0:31:17.960 thankful that they stepped up in such a big way 0:31:18.160 --> 0:31:21.760 and contributed in such a big way to our team. 0:31:21.800 --> 0:31:25.600 So um, my hats off to the man. Look, I know, 0:31:25.680 --> 0:31:29.920 as an international player coming from South Africa, I didn't 0:31:29.960 --> 0:31:32.440 have the language barrier that some of these players have. 0:31:33.080 --> 0:31:36.480 But you know, when you want to compete against the best, 0:31:36.520 --> 0:31:38.959 you realize that that happens on the PGA too. At 0:31:39.000 --> 0:31:41.640 an early age, I realized that happens on the PGA tour. 0:31:42.040 --> 0:31:46.040 And at that point, you know that you're going to 0:31:46.160 --> 0:31:49.040 have to leave everything behind that you know and that 0:31:49.120 --> 0:31:52.560 you're comfortable with, whether you're from Korea, Australia, South Africa, 0:31:52.800 --> 0:31:55.160 and you're gonna have to ship yourself and your life 0:31:55.880 --> 0:31:59.160 and in some cases your family to the US and 0:31:59.280 --> 0:32:01.719 make that set to see if you can fulfill your 0:32:01.800 --> 0:32:05.000 dreams and uh and those guys do that. And you 0:32:05.040 --> 0:32:07.720 look at the Korean representation on the PGD turn, I'm 0:32:07.720 --> 0:32:10.360 one to say there's nine of ten players they're out 0:32:10.360 --> 0:32:13.400 there on tour, so they're doing an incredible job. My 0:32:13.440 --> 0:32:16.400 hats off to kJ being being the godfather of it 0:32:16.440 --> 0:32:19.840 all and the job they're doing there at the KPg A, 0:32:20.360 --> 0:32:23.640 it's brilliant stuff. They're churning out some incredible talent and 0:32:23.640 --> 0:32:26.400 we're not even talking about the woman that dominate the 0:32:26.400 --> 0:32:30.400 game on the LPGA, So my hats off to them. 0:32:30.480 --> 0:32:33.400 You mentioned see Who Kim um and the intensity. If 0:32:33.400 --> 0:32:35.959 he could bring that all the time, you put him 0:32:35.960 --> 0:32:38.320 out in the singles match against Justin Thomas. I mean 0:32:39.080 --> 0:32:43.360 the way that See Who played on Sunday, that fire, 0:32:43.680 --> 0:32:48.400 that fight, that intensity, That's what Justin Thomas brings on 0:32:48.480 --> 0:32:51.760 Thursday at the beginning of the year. I mean, Justin 0:32:51.800 --> 0:32:54.920 Thomas is that guy all the time? I thought that 0:32:55.040 --> 0:32:59.000 was a huge, huge win for See Who Um. We 0:32:59.040 --> 0:33:02.520 couldn't talk about last week without talking about one of 0:33:02.560 --> 0:33:05.160 the superstars to come out of this, Tom Kim. I'm 0:33:05.240 --> 0:33:07.719 glad that I that I that I called you and 0:33:07.760 --> 0:33:12.480 told you in January after watching Tom played two rounds 0:33:12.480 --> 0:33:15.160 with DJ in Saudi Arabia, I said, he needs to 0:33:15.200 --> 0:33:18.000 be on your radar, and You're like, really, I was 0:33:18.080 --> 0:33:22.800 like this guy, Trevi, I was messaging U Joe Scabrin, 0:33:22.840 --> 0:33:26.520 who caddied for Ricky Fowler for you know, his whole career. 0:33:26.960 --> 0:33:28.760 He's on the back for Tom Kim. Now we were 0:33:28.760 --> 0:33:33.880 talking on Friday Saturday night. When you meet Tom, he 0:33:34.040 --> 0:33:38.760 has something and you feel it in his personality. It's 0:33:39.280 --> 0:33:41.920 it's his smile, it's you sit and talk to him 0:33:41.920 --> 0:33:44.640 for five minutes. I don't know what it is, but 0:33:44.800 --> 0:33:49.080 the kid has it and we saw that last week. Yeah. Absolutely, 0:33:49.200 --> 0:33:51.240 I just want to back up real quick to see 0:33:51.720 --> 0:33:55.600 the respect we have for him and the belief we 0:33:55.720 --> 0:33:58.840 have in his gang. He was actually supposed to hit 0:33:58.840 --> 0:34:02.720 the first T shot on third day. I had prepared 0:34:02.800 --> 0:34:06.160 him for that. We were gonna send him and Cameron 0:34:06.240 --> 0:34:08.680 Davis out first and an alternate shot. See where was 0:34:08.680 --> 0:34:12.440 going to hit the first T shot? But um, when 0:34:12.560 --> 0:34:17.520 Davis Um had deferred and made the change in the 0:34:17.560 --> 0:34:20.560 selection process and threw it on us, then we had 0:34:20.600 --> 0:34:24.520 to go to a different plan and strategy. But so 0:34:24.600 --> 0:34:27.200 we had prepared him all week actually to hit that 0:34:27.239 --> 0:34:29.200 first T shot on Thursday, So I knew he was 0:34:29.200 --> 0:34:31.360 going to be ready for it on Sunday when we 0:34:31.400 --> 0:34:33.960 threw him out there against Justin Thomas, and I knew 0:34:34.000 --> 0:34:36.560 he was going to have the guts to be able 0:34:36.560 --> 0:34:42.560 to handle that situation and stand up um to Justin. 0:34:43.280 --> 0:34:46.600 You know, we know how how JT acts in these 0:34:46.640 --> 0:34:49.360 team events. We've got a pretty large sample size. He 0:34:49.440 --> 0:34:53.480 gets really pumped up. H He he is one of 0:34:53.520 --> 0:34:55.600 the guys that brings the energy on their team. He 0:34:55.640 --> 0:34:58.520 gets the crowd pumped up, and I knew, see who 0:34:59.280 --> 0:35:01.279 you had the guts to stand up to. Now did 0:35:01.320 --> 0:35:04.040 I think he was possibly going to take Justin Thomas down? 0:35:04.080 --> 0:35:06.040 There was there was. There was hope there for sure, 0:35:06.040 --> 0:35:07.920 because we needed it if we were going to win 0:35:07.960 --> 0:35:11.719 the thing. But I knew that he wouldn't. I knew 0:35:11.760 --> 0:35:14.399 that Justin wouldn't be able to get into see Who's head, 0:35:15.320 --> 0:35:18.040 and that's why we sent him out first. Now going 0:35:18.080 --> 0:35:20.719 to Tom, Hey, I spent three years trying to get 0:35:20.760 --> 0:35:24.960 into see what head. It's impossible. It's impossible to get 0:35:24.960 --> 0:35:28.360 into that kid's head. You can't do it exactly. Now 0:35:28.560 --> 0:35:31.320 I go into Tom. Yeah, you know I I thanked 0:35:31.320 --> 0:35:33.279 you a few times in the media already. When I 0:35:33.320 --> 0:35:35.759 got that text for you, You're like, man, DJ's just 0:35:35.800 --> 0:35:38.960 played a practice chunder with this kid, Tom Kim. He's unbelievable. 0:35:38.960 --> 0:35:40.959 You've got to check him out. And I started paying 0:35:41.000 --> 0:35:44.000 attention from that moment. And he had a win and 0:35:44.040 --> 0:35:46.160 a couple of seconds and a third on the Asian 0:35:46.200 --> 0:35:49.799 Tour and at that time he's nineteen exactly right, but 0:35:49.840 --> 0:35:52.480 he's been a pro since he was like sixteen or seventeen, 0:35:52.560 --> 0:35:55.279 so he had a few years under his belt and 0:35:55.320 --> 0:35:57.720 then he started getting some starts in some bigger events, 0:35:57.760 --> 0:36:03.040 some real events, and immediately made an impact. Um and 0:36:03.960 --> 0:36:06.160 you know the way he performed at the Scottish Open 0:36:07.120 --> 0:36:10.040 against you know, one of their biggest fields of the 0:36:10.120 --> 0:36:12.799 year and had an amazing shot to win all the 0:36:12.800 --> 0:36:15.480 way through that Sunday in the final group, made his 0:36:15.520 --> 0:36:17.800 way into the Open and that was when the first 0:36:17.920 --> 0:36:21.319 time I met him in person. I went out on 0:36:21.360 --> 0:36:24.040 the Wednesday and he and see who were playing a 0:36:24.080 --> 0:36:26.799 practice shound together, so texted with you. I was like, 0:36:26.880 --> 0:36:28.160 you know, let me know when you guys tee of 0:36:28.200 --> 0:36:30.520 from come out there and walk some holes. And I 0:36:30.560 --> 0:36:35.400 met them on the fourth fairway and he's in the 0:36:35.440 --> 0:36:40.680 fairway Tom. The whole location is back right, wind is 0:36:40.680 --> 0:36:44.480 whipping and he just pures this high cut four iron 0:36:44.560 --> 0:36:46.399 into the middle of the green and I was like, man, 0:36:47.080 --> 0:36:49.680 you know, first shot I ever seen from this kid, 0:36:50.200 --> 0:36:53.160 and it's just pure right right where he's looking. And 0:36:53.200 --> 0:36:55.680 walked with them for a few holes and immediately you 0:36:55.719 --> 0:36:58.920 can feel there's something a little different about him. He 0:36:59.000 --> 0:37:05.400 has a present, he has self belief whilst still being humble. Um, 0:37:05.440 --> 0:37:12.320 and he has he has this mentality where he doesn't 0:37:12.680 --> 0:37:16.839 shy away from the limelight. You know, he wants the 0:37:16.840 --> 0:37:23.279 ball when it matters most. And you know, you don't 0:37:23.320 --> 0:37:25.360 see that all that often. You see a lot of 0:37:25.400 --> 0:37:28.759 great athletes that make an incredible living, but they're just 0:37:28.880 --> 0:37:32.200 like to be able to cruise just under the frame 0:37:32.880 --> 0:37:36.359 and do well and have top tens and you know, 0:37:36.400 --> 0:37:41.200 finish on podium and uh and never rarely put themselves 0:37:41.239 --> 0:37:44.440 out there. And it's not really a knock on them. 0:37:44.480 --> 0:37:50.040 It's more about putting itself out there is damned difficult 0:37:51.640 --> 0:37:54.839 and it's demanding, and there's a lot that comes with it, 0:37:55.440 --> 0:37:59.719 and it's it's a strain mentally, and there's a lot 0:37:59.719 --> 0:38:02.520 of an anxiety that comes with that, and so it's 0:38:02.560 --> 0:38:04.680 not necessarily a knock on that athlete. But I'm just saying, 0:38:04.719 --> 0:38:08.359 when you find the ones that that asked for that 0:38:08.960 --> 0:38:13.000 and want that and demand that, those ones are special. 0:38:13.800 --> 0:38:16.920 Those ones are really special. And when you match that 0:38:17.000 --> 0:38:20.279 with supreme talent is you know, when you find the 0:38:20.320 --> 0:38:24.719 magic and this kid has that. This kid has that. 0:38:24.920 --> 0:38:28.280 And all week we were we were saying to him, 0:38:28.440 --> 0:38:31.160 you want that part to win the Cup. And I'll 0:38:31.160 --> 0:38:33.279 be like, I want that part, I want that part. 0:38:33.360 --> 0:38:36.160 I'm gonna make that putt and then lo and behold. 0:38:36.280 --> 0:38:39.279 He didn't have the putt to win the Cup, but 0:38:39.640 --> 0:38:41.960 he had a part that was vital to us on 0:38:42.000 --> 0:38:44.960 Saturday evening. Did you think he was gonna make it? 0:38:45.840 --> 0:38:49.480 I had no doubt he was gonna make it. You know. 0:38:49.640 --> 0:38:52.600 You know what was so impressive to me, Claude. So 0:38:52.640 --> 0:38:56.360 I was kind of running around. Um, it's very difficult 0:38:56.400 --> 0:38:59.719 as captain to know where you need to be, and 0:38:59.800 --> 0:39:02.080 you just going by instinct and you're going by guts, 0:39:02.080 --> 0:39:04.040 and you're listening to the radio and you're starting to 0:39:04.080 --> 0:39:09.760 try and understand. And they got to seventeen, all square, 0:39:09.920 --> 0:39:14.239 and I joined uh him and see we're in the 0:39:14.280 --> 0:39:19.440 fairway on seventeen and I went up and I you know, 0:39:19.719 --> 0:39:21.759 gave him a pat on the shoulder and I was like, 0:39:21.800 --> 0:39:23.640 come on, we need you know, we need this point. 0:39:23.640 --> 0:39:24.920 And he's like, I got it, I got it, I 0:39:24.960 --> 0:39:29.360 got it. They tie seventeen. Um, they hit their t 0:39:29.520 --> 0:39:31.719 shots down eighteen. He hits the straight one. But as 0:39:31.719 --> 0:39:34.000 we're walking off the tees, like I whipped that I'm 0:39:34.000 --> 0:39:37.520 gonna be so far back. So we're walking over the 0:39:37.600 --> 0:39:40.600 hill and now you know, both teams are starting to 0:39:40.680 --> 0:39:44.600 follow because everybody realizes this is this is a pivotal moment. 0:39:44.920 --> 0:39:50.680 It was one of the most intense moments I've ever 0:39:50.760 --> 0:39:54.200 felt on a golf course. The energy was like you 0:39:54.239 --> 0:39:57.600 could it was hitting you hard. We get to his 0:39:57.719 --> 0:40:00.480 ball and the guy's got like two thirties seven or 0:40:00.520 --> 0:40:03.040 something like that. I mean, he's got two. I'm wanting 0:40:03.080 --> 0:40:06.399 to say to twenty two to cover that front left 0:40:06.400 --> 0:40:09.640 bunker and see who's out in the right trees. And 0:40:09.680 --> 0:40:11.840 we're trying to figure out who should play first in 0:40:11.880 --> 0:40:14.880 the better ball format. You know, does Tom want pressure 0:40:14.920 --> 0:40:17.520 on him knowing where see who's ball is or does 0:40:17.520 --> 0:40:20.480 he want sea whoo as a little bit of insurance. 0:40:20.719 --> 0:40:22.440 And we get word from sea Where that he's got 0:40:22.440 --> 0:40:24.040 a shot. He thinks he could get it up near 0:40:24.080 --> 0:40:27.560 the green. It's taking a little while and Tom's just 0:40:27.600 --> 0:40:30.759 says to me, tell him, I'm gonna go, Like he 0:40:30.760 --> 0:40:33.279 couldn't wait anymore. He said, tell him, I'm gonna go. 0:40:33.800 --> 0:40:36.839 So Camillo's down our radio. Camilla, I said, Tom's going, 0:40:37.640 --> 0:40:40.960 So see who um stands back for a little while, 0:40:42.000 --> 0:40:45.480 and the kid pulls the two iron now and Joe 0:40:45.600 --> 0:40:51.239 says to him, perfect club, normal two iron. And he 0:40:51.320 --> 0:40:55.640 gets over the ball and I look back and I 0:40:55.719 --> 0:41:01.120 see three cuts of Americans fifteen yards from him, like 0:41:01.600 --> 0:41:04.680 just off of the line, like they're right there, right there, 0:41:04.760 --> 0:41:06.959 you can feel them. It's the who's who have American golf. 0:41:07.000 --> 0:41:10.919 It's Thomas, it's Speed, it's Homer, it's for Now, it's 0:41:10.960 --> 0:41:14.120 all their wives, it's the caddies. I mean, You've got 0:41:14.239 --> 0:41:17.320 three golf carts packed with the best players in the 0:41:17.360 --> 0:41:22.000 world and they are like steps from this kid. And 0:41:22.000 --> 0:41:24.440 then you've got all the American vice captains who are 0:41:24.480 --> 0:41:26.719 all made, you know, who have all one major championships 0:41:26.719 --> 0:41:30.000 and all that. And he slocked this two iron, Dude, 0:41:30.560 --> 0:41:34.000 as it took off, that ball was never going to 0:41:34.080 --> 0:41:37.640 be outside of fifteen feet. And and that goes back 0:41:37.680 --> 0:41:41.040 to what I was saying earlier. Some people really want 0:41:41.120 --> 0:41:45.000 that moment and others, you know, are looking for ways 0:41:45.040 --> 0:41:50.640 to shy away from it. And after he hits the shot, 0:41:51.000 --> 0:41:53.200 I walk up to him, I put my up on him, 0:41:53.400 --> 0:41:56.000 and I'm like, that was incredible, that was incredible. But 0:41:56.000 --> 0:41:58.360 I wanted him to stay focused, because the energy all 0:41:58.400 --> 0:42:00.160 of a sudden was like, man, We've got a shot 0:42:00.000 --> 0:42:04.040 at this now. And I just said to him, make 0:42:04.120 --> 0:42:09.360 that put stay focused and make that putt and uh. 0:42:09.400 --> 0:42:12.000 And then afterwards we obviously got to him during the 0:42:12.000 --> 0:42:13.800 week the amount of times we said to him do 0:42:13.840 --> 0:42:15.279 you want to do you want that putt to win 0:42:15.360 --> 0:42:17.880 the Cup? Because afterwards with the media asked him about it, 0:42:17.920 --> 0:42:20.240 he said, he said, I wanted to make that put 0:42:20.239 --> 0:42:23.200 more than anything in the world. And it just goes 0:42:23.280 --> 0:42:27.200 to show Um somehow we got to him with with 0:42:27.239 --> 0:42:29.680 all of that during the week. But the kid is 0:42:29.719 --> 0:42:33.520 an absolute stud. I'm extremely excited to see what his 0:42:33.560 --> 0:42:37.120 future halls. He reminds me, trev Um. If you think 0:42:37.120 --> 0:42:40.279 about the coming out party that Sergio Garcia had um 0:42:40.440 --> 0:42:43.080 early on in his career at Madina, and then the 0:42:43.120 --> 0:42:45.080 way he played in the in the Wryter Cups, he 0:42:45.160 --> 0:42:47.400 was you know, you were part of the young guns 0:42:47.440 --> 0:42:50.520 with him and Scotty back in the day, and it 0:42:50.680 --> 0:42:56.799 was that youthful kind of innocence mixed with confidence and 0:42:56.960 --> 0:42:59.719 arrogance and all of that. And I looked all last 0:42:59.719 --> 0:43:04.200 week reminded me so much of what happened to Sergio 0:43:04.239 --> 0:43:06.280 at a very young age in his career to where 0:43:06.600 --> 0:43:10.360 he came out. He was running around, he was jumping around. 0:43:10.400 --> 0:43:15.640 Everybody liked him. Um, he his energy was infectious. Um. 0:43:15.800 --> 0:43:19.400 Do you think that an opportunity like this for Tom 0:43:19.560 --> 0:43:22.960 can give him that springboard now to say, okay, I 0:43:23.000 --> 0:43:28.920 can use this to help me get to the next level. Yeah, 0:43:28.960 --> 0:43:31.480 there's no doubt. There's no doubt. We used to Scottish 0:43:31.560 --> 0:43:36.960 Cheffler analogy earlier, comparison earlier, and um, I throw that 0:43:37.000 --> 0:43:41.920 in there. The one caveat is, uh, if you look 0:43:41.920 --> 0:43:44.000 at the difference between those two players as we're using 0:43:44.040 --> 0:43:47.239 them as examples, you know, Scottish Cheffler is a very 0:43:47.360 --> 0:43:51.160 very powerful player. Still hits it a long way, hits 0:43:51.160 --> 0:43:56.040 it extremely high, can fire at any pin wherever it is, 0:43:56.400 --> 0:43:59.480 and has the short game to match. Then has the intangibles. 0:43:59.640 --> 0:44:03.120 Tom has the intangibles, He has the desire, he has 0:44:03.280 --> 0:44:06.600 the heart and the guts. He has the skill level 0:44:06.640 --> 0:44:10.279 from a standpoint of accuracy, owning one shot that he 0:44:10.320 --> 0:44:13.799 knows he can rely on that baby fade, the thing 0:44:13.880 --> 0:44:16.520 that's going to be interesting for me to to see, 0:44:16.760 --> 0:44:20.560 and the one hurdle that I believe he still has 0:44:20.600 --> 0:44:25.000 to overcome is um. He doesn't quite have the power. 0:44:26.120 --> 0:44:29.520 So he was the second shortest hitter on our team, 0:44:29.600 --> 0:44:33.680 him and Bosadon with the two shortest hitters, and I 0:44:33.719 --> 0:44:36.960 thought it was a good sign that he acquitted himself 0:44:37.040 --> 0:44:40.520 so well on a big ballpark like Quail holler Um. 0:44:40.520 --> 0:44:42.520 He has a bit more of a knuckley ball flight 0:44:43.160 --> 0:44:46.319 um and needs conditions to be firm and will be 0:44:46.360 --> 0:44:49.800 extremely dangerous when you look at golf courses like sedge 0:44:49.840 --> 0:44:53.040 Field where he won the Windom or Colonial or Sony 0:44:53.120 --> 0:44:57.360 places like that. But it's going to be interesting to 0:44:57.400 --> 0:44:59.920 see if over the next few years he can continue 0:45:00.000 --> 0:45:03.799 to generate a little speed to match everything else to 0:45:03.840 --> 0:45:05.640 where he can bridge the gap. I mean, you look 0:45:05.840 --> 0:45:11.680 at Ah just that match and who they were playing against. 0:45:11.760 --> 0:45:14.759 You know he's going in with two iron. And then 0:45:14.800 --> 0:45:18.480 the next match that came through there, the Burns Scott 0:45:19.440 --> 0:45:24.000 h Davis Horsal match. Burns had a hundred and fifty 0:45:24.160 --> 0:45:28.440 yards into that whole on eight team and Tom had 0:45:28.480 --> 0:45:30.960 two seven. So it just goes to show, you know, 0:45:32.080 --> 0:45:34.760 it really is tough to keep up because Sam Burns 0:45:34.880 --> 0:45:40.760 and and Homer and Thomas and Scheffler, like, those guys 0:45:40.840 --> 0:45:43.800 have all the skills and they have the power to 0:45:44.000 --> 0:45:47.120 match that. So that to me is the final hurdle 0:45:47.200 --> 0:45:50.080 for Tom. You know he's only twenty, but it'll be 0:45:50.160 --> 0:45:52.320 very interesting to see if he can start to harness 0:45:52.360 --> 0:45:54.279 a little more power to where he can bridge that 0:45:54.320 --> 0:45:56.799 gap and instead of having I know he whipped that 0:45:56.880 --> 0:45:58.920 T shirt. He told me so in his own words, 0:45:59.360 --> 0:46:02.919 but instead of seven, can he be inside of two 0:46:03.040 --> 0:46:05.560 hundred to where he still has some kind of medium 0:46:05.560 --> 0:46:08.759 iron in there because of a very difficult for him 0:46:08.800 --> 0:46:10.279 over the course of four days. We would be at 0:46:10.280 --> 0:46:13.799 a major US Open and a Master's when it's not 0:46:13.960 --> 0:46:17.239 firm and fast for him to keep up with with 0:46:17.280 --> 0:46:20.920 the big guns. Two other players, young players tribe that 0:46:20.960 --> 0:46:24.319 I thought were standouts, Cam Davis and Sebastian Mono. So 0:46:24.320 --> 0:46:28.280 the way those two guys played, um, they are legit stunts. 0:46:28.280 --> 0:46:30.560 I mean when I watch I mean Cam Davis obviously, 0:46:30.600 --> 0:46:34.480 and talking about Tom, um, Tom isn't you know he's 0:46:34.480 --> 0:46:38.160 by no means big, He's by no means long. When 0:46:38.200 --> 0:46:41.240 you look at Cam Davis, Cam Davis is the prototypical 0:46:41.760 --> 0:46:45.960 two p G A tour player. He's six to the 0:46:46.239 --> 0:46:50.080 six four hits it. Miles hits it to the sky. 0:46:50.239 --> 0:46:54.320 Can you know can hit seven iron from to fifteen 0:46:54.360 --> 0:46:56.560 if he needs to. And then you've got a kid 0:46:56.600 --> 0:47:00.440 like Sebastian Munos who was a great ball striker. Talk 0:47:00.520 --> 0:47:02.520 to me about the contributions that those two guys were 0:47:02.560 --> 0:47:05.520 because I thought the match that that that Cam Davis 0:47:05.560 --> 0:47:09.239 down the stretch with Scotty on the team, Scotty you know, 0:47:09.400 --> 0:47:11.560 as his partner, and I thought some of the shots 0:47:11.600 --> 0:47:15.880 Sebastian Manials pulled off. Um, we're really really fantastic for 0:47:15.880 --> 0:47:19.960 those two players. Yeah. Look, a lot of people, a 0:47:19.960 --> 0:47:22.880 lot of people outed me, a lot of people laughed 0:47:22.920 --> 0:47:24.840 at me. I got a lot of hate on Twitter 0:47:24.920 --> 0:47:27.960 when I made those picks. I went a long way 0:47:27.960 --> 0:47:33.200 down the line. Cam Davis was twenty in our qualification criteria, 0:47:34.960 --> 0:47:39.600 Monos was thirteen or fourteen? See who was eighteen? But 0:47:40.400 --> 0:47:44.359 I knew, just in getting to know those players over 0:47:44.400 --> 0:47:46.319 the last couple of years, all the time that I 0:47:46.320 --> 0:47:49.080 had spent with them, getting a look under the hood, 0:47:49.200 --> 0:47:53.279 understanding what makes them tick, knowing what their strengths and 0:47:53.280 --> 0:47:56.080 weaknesses are in their games, I knew they were going 0:47:56.480 --> 0:48:01.200 they had the potential to be eight fits with Quail 0:48:01.239 --> 0:48:03.480 Hollow and with the canvas that we were going to 0:48:03.600 --> 0:48:09.279 have to work with uh Cam Davis, particularly the way 0:48:09.280 --> 0:48:12.960 he handled himself at the end of our qualification period 0:48:13.000 --> 0:48:15.720 when we had a lot of question marks, we didn't 0:48:15.719 --> 0:48:18.840 know exactly who was going to be on our team. 0:48:18.920 --> 0:48:25.440 He he He stepped up as an alternate and knew 0:48:25.480 --> 0:48:27.520 that if certain players leave, he was going to get 0:48:27.520 --> 0:48:32.839 the call. And it didn't disappoint him. It fired him 0:48:32.920 --> 0:48:35.759 up even more and it showed me how much he 0:48:35.840 --> 0:48:38.920 loved our team, how much he wanted to play for 0:48:38.960 --> 0:48:41.399 the Shield, and how much he wanted to be at 0:48:41.400 --> 0:48:43.840 the President's Cup. I learned a lot about him in 0:48:43.880 --> 0:48:50.279 that um time period, and he just kept telling me 0:48:50.320 --> 0:48:52.560 in the weeks leading up to the President's Cup, like 0:48:53.400 --> 0:48:56.439 I love match play. I played so much match play 0:48:56.480 --> 0:48:59.160 when I was a kid down in Australia. It brings 0:48:59.200 --> 0:49:02.279 something special out of me. I love knowing, you know, 0:49:02.560 --> 0:49:05.680 looking at my opponent, feeling that one on one dynamic. 0:49:06.440 --> 0:49:08.400 And he really was jazzed about it, and he was 0:49:08.480 --> 0:49:10.560 coming out of his shell more and more. He's quite 0:49:10.560 --> 0:49:13.080 a He's the most introverted aussy I've ever met in 0:49:13.120 --> 0:49:18.200 my life. Okay, No, normally auzzies are you know, they're 0:49:18.239 --> 0:49:23.080 out there. They're confident. Um they they'll let you know 0:49:23.200 --> 0:49:25.480 exactly how they think. He's not that way. He's much 0:49:25.520 --> 0:49:30.360 more reserved and and and introverted. But he was starting 0:49:30.400 --> 0:49:33.480 to come out of his shell. And it was amazing 0:49:33.520 --> 0:49:36.759 to see his confidence build and him and see, we're 0:49:36.800 --> 0:49:40.319 really pulled off a beautiful upset on the first day 0:49:40.320 --> 0:49:45.359 of the tournament to get us our point. And yeah 0:49:45.400 --> 0:49:47.480 for for him and Scotty the team up. I knew 0:49:47.520 --> 0:49:49.920 that that had had the potential to be a pretty 0:49:49.960 --> 0:49:55.239 good pairing because Cam you know, idolizes Scotty and and 0:49:55.239 --> 0:49:57.359 and watched him when he was a kid growing up. 0:49:57.600 --> 0:50:00.000 And the opportunity for him to be able to show 0:50:00.040 --> 0:50:03.279 wolf for one of his mentors, I knew that could 0:50:03.640 --> 0:50:05.879 could bring something special out of him. And the way 0:50:05.920 --> 0:50:09.719 he played those last three holes with the high cut 0:50:09.760 --> 0:50:13.280 three wood into sixteen buries, the ten foot for eagle, 0:50:14.000 --> 0:50:17.680 seventeen hits it in there eight feet buries that part, 0:50:18.520 --> 0:50:23.200 uh for them to be one up and then to 0:50:23.320 --> 0:50:26.440 make the part on eighteen to win that point. You know, 0:50:26.480 --> 0:50:32.799 So the eagle Birdie Birdie finish was just it was fantastic. 0:50:32.960 --> 0:50:35.600 I think one of the coolest moments that our team 0:50:35.600 --> 0:50:40.640 has ever had. Moonos, I love that guy, man, I 0:50:40.680 --> 0:50:44.640 love that guy he is. He's like a peaceful warrior. 0:50:45.520 --> 0:50:49.560 He he's very calm and quiet. He was he was 0:50:49.600 --> 0:50:55.520 a calming influence in the locker room. Ah. But he 0:50:55.719 --> 0:51:02.400 has like this underlying toughness. And I thought, you know, 0:51:02.400 --> 0:51:04.640 our team came a long way last week if you 0:51:04.680 --> 0:51:09.440 look at him in some Jay's partnership from a data perspective, 0:51:09.560 --> 0:51:15.359 they matched up beautifully with this golf course. And the 0:51:15.400 --> 0:51:19.799 fact that they went out there and and one that 0:51:19.960 --> 0:51:23.399 point together shows how far our team has come. We've 0:51:23.400 --> 0:51:26.520 got a Colombian guy and a Korean guy teaming up 0:51:27.160 --> 0:51:31.680 and and taking down a strong American pair. Uh. And 0:51:31.760 --> 0:51:36.880 then we just had a feeling about him in the singles. Um. 0:51:36.920 --> 0:51:39.440 You know, we had an idea of who we wanted 0:51:39.480 --> 0:51:42.200 to play who in an ideal world, and we had 0:51:42.239 --> 0:51:45.640 different options with each player. He's played a ton of 0:51:45.680 --> 0:51:48.640 golf in Dallas with Scottie Scheffler, so we knew he 0:51:48.680 --> 0:51:53.080 would be comfortable with that matchup. Uh. And man, did 0:51:53.080 --> 0:51:55.160 he step up to the player take down the world 0:51:55.239 --> 0:51:57.759 number one. What a moment for him, so so so 0:51:57.800 --> 0:52:02.080 proud of him. And to see that moment where him 0:52:02.120 --> 0:52:05.719 and his dad were hugging afterwards and his dad just 0:52:05.840 --> 0:52:08.960 in tears, so proud of his kid taking down the 0:52:09.000 --> 0:52:12.759 world number one man. Money can't buy that. That is 0:52:12.800 --> 0:52:16.440 stuff that the dreams are made of. Yeah, and we 0:52:16.600 --> 0:52:18.200 you know, I was at the Wryder Cup at Whistling 0:52:18.200 --> 0:52:21.200 Straits and the same thing you you referenced at Scottie 0:52:21.200 --> 0:52:24.759 Scheffler and the Singles takes down John Ram. Everybody on 0:52:24.920 --> 0:52:28.080 that US team was going up to him afterwards, going 0:52:28.280 --> 0:52:30.439 you just beat the best player in the world. And 0:52:30.840 --> 0:52:34.560 like you said, you could see this being a springboard 0:52:34.640 --> 0:52:37.520 for a guy like Sebastian Munis to take that confidence 0:52:38.000 --> 0:52:40.440 for beating a guy like Scottie Scheffler, who is you know, 0:52:40.920 --> 0:52:42.640 one of, if not the best players in the game 0:52:42.719 --> 0:52:46.080 right now. You mentioned Adam Scott Hadeki, Montzi Yama. They 0:52:46.080 --> 0:52:50.080 are kind of the superstars of your international team. Scotty 0:52:50.160 --> 0:52:52.680 is one of your your closest friends. He's been a 0:52:52.680 --> 0:52:56.880 part of the the international team for pretty much forever. 0:52:56.920 --> 0:52:59.000 It seems like. Talk to me about the role that 0:52:59.080 --> 0:53:02.080 Scotty and her Deckie played last week. They didn't have 0:53:02.840 --> 0:53:05.600 they didn't go undefeated, they didn't have the superstar rules. 0:53:05.760 --> 0:53:09.399 Um I think, I mean, I can't. I can't think 0:53:09.400 --> 0:53:12.080 of how many times I saw her Deckie miss potts by. 0:53:12.200 --> 0:53:13.919 I mean, he hit so many good pots that didn't 0:53:13.920 --> 0:53:16.239 go in. But the role that those guys played from 0:53:16.239 --> 0:53:20.080 a team aspect and from a mentor aspect to these 0:53:20.120 --> 0:53:24.360 younger generation of international players, yeah, I was huge. It's huge. 0:53:24.400 --> 0:53:29.319 Those were out too playing captains if you wish. They 0:53:29.360 --> 0:53:33.280 were extremely involved in our decision making process from before 0:53:33.320 --> 0:53:38.319 the tournament. They were clued in on exactly what our 0:53:38.719 --> 0:53:43.480 different plans were and the ways that we were gonna 0:53:43.760 --> 0:53:47.000 try and run our team, and they gave their input constantly. 0:53:47.000 --> 0:53:50.200 It was extremely important for me for them to be 0:53:51.360 --> 0:53:54.840 very involved from the outset number one, because of my 0:53:54.920 --> 0:53:56.919 respect for them and what they've achieved in the game. 0:53:57.080 --> 0:54:00.719 Number two, understanding their personalities and how high of a 0:54:00.760 --> 0:54:03.719 golf i Q they have. But number three also these 0:54:03.760 --> 0:54:06.759 guys are future captains, so I wanted to bring him 0:54:06.760 --> 0:54:09.080 into the fray as much as I could so they 0:54:09.080 --> 0:54:12.600 could start to understand exactly how this team operates. For 0:54:12.719 --> 0:54:16.200 when they get the opportunity. Um, there was a tough 0:54:16.239 --> 0:54:20.120 one for a decade. He didn't come in with his 0:54:20.200 --> 0:54:24.000 game firing on all cylinders. He felt a little uncomfortable 0:54:24.040 --> 0:54:28.120 with his putter, and the green complexes at Coil Hollow 0:54:28.239 --> 0:54:30.279 are some of the toughest that we see all year 0:54:30.360 --> 0:54:35.200 on tour, extremely undulating and lightning quick. I mean, these 0:54:35.200 --> 0:54:38.040 things were running thirteen on a flat put every morning. 0:54:38.840 --> 0:54:41.880 So you start to add some slope to that, a 0:54:41.960 --> 0:54:47.480 one to slope to thirteen. It rarely exposes you if 0:54:47.480 --> 0:54:49.759 you're not feeling comfortable with your stroke and the role 0:54:49.760 --> 0:54:52.200 and the ball. So he was fighting that a little bit. 0:54:52.239 --> 0:54:56.480 He was also fighting a right hip injury. UM. We 0:54:56.480 --> 0:55:01.200 were managing that constantly, trying to stay on top of 0:55:01.239 --> 0:55:03.160 how much he was going to be able to play. 0:55:03.880 --> 0:55:06.080 He was a question mark in a number of sessions. 0:55:06.120 --> 0:55:09.040 But he showed a lot of guts and kept coming 0:55:09.040 --> 0:55:11.080 to me saying, I'm ready to go, I'm ready to go, 0:55:11.120 --> 0:55:13.399 I'm ready to go. And so I have a lot 0:55:13.440 --> 0:55:17.040 of respect for him and I'm thankful to him for 0:55:17.160 --> 0:55:21.840 doing that. Uh. And we put him out early on Sunday. 0:55:21.920 --> 0:55:27.960 We knew that the Americans after us. Uh, you know, 0:55:29.000 --> 0:55:31.279 shall I say we pumped the brakes a little bit 0:55:31.320 --> 0:55:33.520 on Saturday. I mean it still wasn't that close with 0:55:33.640 --> 0:55:36.799 four points behind going into Sunday, but we pumped the 0:55:36.800 --> 0:55:38.839 brakes a little bit on them, and they they had 0:55:38.880 --> 0:55:40.879 to be smart with where they were going with their 0:55:41.280 --> 0:55:44.160 lineup on Sunday, and we knew they would trying to 0:55:44.200 --> 0:55:47.600 come out early and uh and get some points, so 0:55:47.719 --> 0:55:50.439 we threw her decide out there. He played extremely well, 0:55:50.600 --> 0:55:55.239 got totally screwed on the eighteen tole. You know, for 0:55:55.320 --> 0:55:57.680 people who didn't see that, he hits a quite a 0:55:57.760 --> 0:55:59.680 nice t shut down the left hand side on the 0:55:59.719 --> 0:56:04.120 dog leg left. What's up doing doing standing there? You know, 0:56:04.480 --> 0:56:08.520 I'm gonna say this first, I really hope the gentleman's 0:56:08.560 --> 0:56:12.560 knee is okay, because for a driver to land without 0:56:12.640 --> 0:56:18.160 bouncing on your kneecap has to be excruciating. But yeah, 0:56:18.239 --> 0:56:21.480 the fact that he's standing, you know, lands on your knee, 0:56:21.600 --> 0:56:25.040 you know you're staying in the wrong damn place. What 0:56:25.200 --> 0:56:27.919 is he doing? I mean that t shot Claude would 0:56:27.920 --> 0:56:31.319 have landed there and probably bounded another twenty yards down 0:56:31.360 --> 0:56:35.840 the fairway. He's got an eight nine wedge in his 0:56:35.960 --> 0:56:40.320 hand to a very easy accessible whole location on eighteen. 0:56:40.719 --> 0:56:44.120 This ball hits the guy's knee, kicks back and into 0:56:44.160 --> 0:56:47.520 the trees. So now he's got a brutal shot. He 0:56:48.040 --> 0:56:51.719 gets this flyer over these trees, over the back, then 0:56:51.800 --> 0:56:55.600 hits a miraculous chip shot that how that ball hits 0:56:55.600 --> 0:56:58.080 the middle of the flagstick and doesn't go in, rattles 0:56:58.120 --> 0:57:03.799 around it stays out, eventually gets the half. But man, 0:57:03.840 --> 0:57:06.239 he got pretty screwed there on eighteen. I felt bad 0:57:06.320 --> 0:57:09.400 for him because he was he knew how important that 0:57:09.440 --> 0:57:12.040 point was for us if we really wanted to to 0:57:12.600 --> 0:57:15.600 put a little pressure on him, and he acquitted himself 0:57:15.640 --> 0:57:20.760 really well. Scotty. Yeah, you know, like you said, he's 0:57:20.800 --> 0:57:22.960 one of my best mates. We met each other when 0:57:23.000 --> 0:57:26.320 when we were fourteen or fifteen years old, have competed 0:57:26.400 --> 0:57:31.600 with each other since that moment, and you know, we 0:57:31.640 --> 0:57:33.720 know a lot about each other. We've shared a lot 0:57:33.760 --> 0:57:37.240 of different things about our lives, what we've been through. 0:57:37.280 --> 0:57:40.800 We've become extremely close and he really has been a 0:57:40.920 --> 0:57:46.600 rock for me through my captaincy. Um. You know, it 0:57:46.640 --> 0:57:50.000 was tricky at times when everybody was saying that he 0:57:50.080 --> 0:57:51.880 was he was not going to be on the team. 0:57:51.960 --> 0:57:53.880 He was going to be leaving, he was gonna be 0:57:53.880 --> 0:57:57.760 going somewhere else, and I was getting all this stuff 0:57:57.800 --> 0:57:59.480 thrown at me all the time, and I knew he 0:57:59.520 --> 0:58:03.640 wouldn't go. And anyway, the guy committed to me way 0:58:03.680 --> 0:58:07.240 back in the process, and he was all in and invested. 0:58:07.360 --> 0:58:11.240 We would have weekly calls about our team, about the 0:58:11.320 --> 0:58:14.080 decisions we were making, about the way things wanted to go, 0:58:14.160 --> 0:58:18.680 we wanted things to go. And what I thought was 0:58:18.760 --> 0:58:22.880 so special about him and showed his true heart and character, 0:58:24.160 --> 0:58:29.680 was about six weeks before the end of our qualification, 0:58:30.840 --> 0:58:33.440 he said to me, you're not going to pick me 0:58:33.520 --> 0:58:37.919 for this. I'm going to qualify on my own. And 0:58:38.040 --> 0:58:43.160 he added PGA Tour events to his schedule. He traveled more, 0:58:43.240 --> 0:58:45.840 which you and I both know Scotty. Scotty's on the 0:58:45.880 --> 0:58:48.560 old Tigers schedule. You know, he likes to play fifteen 0:58:48.600 --> 0:58:51.640 events a year max. He's Howard. He he's the Howard 0:58:51.680 --> 0:58:56.080 Hughes of gone. So you know, he adds Rocket Mortgage, 0:58:56.120 --> 0:58:58.560 he adds Windham just to get into the playoffs. Now 0:58:58.600 --> 0:59:02.000 he knows he's given himself a shot um to earn 0:59:02.080 --> 0:59:04.640 some more points. He finished, he played good he did. 0:59:04.680 --> 0:59:07.800 He finished top five in those both two playoff events, 0:59:08.200 --> 0:59:14.200 qualifies himself for the Tour Championship, coming from nowhere before 0:59:14.200 --> 0:59:18.120 before that and earned his way onto the team. And 0:59:18.280 --> 0:59:22.880 that you know, it didn't just show me so much. 0:59:22.960 --> 0:59:27.520 It showed everybody else on our team, everybody in our squad. 0:59:27.640 --> 0:59:30.480 It showed if that guy, if this guy, like a 0:59:30.600 --> 0:59:34.480 future Hall of Famer, wants to make this team that badly, 0:59:35.680 --> 0:59:40.280 then we got to bring it to and so man, 0:59:40.800 --> 0:59:43.160 he he was a huge part of it. I'm extremely 0:59:43.200 --> 0:59:45.680 thankful to everything he did for me while while I 0:59:45.720 --> 0:59:49.720 was keptain. So the obvious question, trev Um, I know 0:59:49.760 --> 0:59:52.680 how your brain works. Do you want to do it again? 0:59:52.760 --> 0:59:55.600 Would you be the captain again? Or is it a 0:59:55.640 --> 0:59:58.960 one and dawn Um, is that what you think is 0:59:59.080 --> 1:00:02.680 best for the international team moving forward to get a 1:00:02.680 --> 1:00:05.360 guy like Adam Scott in to get these guys or 1:00:05.600 --> 1:00:08.480 I mean I think you are you are the perfect 1:00:08.520 --> 1:00:12.160 person for this role, Um, just with the not only 1:00:14.400 --> 1:00:16.960 with the way that your brain works, but as a 1:00:16.960 --> 1:00:20.640 former Master's champion, a guy that's beaten Tiger Woods down 1:00:20.640 --> 1:00:22.800 the stretch, a guy that's played all over the world, 1:00:23.320 --> 1:00:26.120 a guy that's now you know, going to be in 1:00:26.160 --> 1:00:29.840 the chair next to Jim Nance you know at CBS. UM. 1:00:30.520 --> 1:00:32.280 You know, I messaged you earlier in the week and 1:00:32.320 --> 1:00:34.240 I and I meant it. I look at your career 1:00:34.280 --> 1:00:35.880 and I look at you know when you and I 1:00:35.920 --> 1:00:37.920 met each other, and it was a two thousand and 1:00:37.960 --> 1:00:40.840 two the things that you've done. But I know how 1:00:40.920 --> 1:00:43.800 your brain works, and I know that you will have 1:00:44.120 --> 1:00:47.680 loved doing this job. If they wanted you to do 1:00:47.720 --> 1:00:54.080 it again, would you do it? I would, I would, 1:00:54.120 --> 1:00:55.919 But I don't know if it's the right thing to do. 1:00:57.080 --> 1:01:00.440 And uh, you know, we have a process with the 1:01:00.480 --> 1:01:07.400 international team now. We UM for the most part, for 1:01:07.680 --> 1:01:12.960 ninety five, are in control of every decision that gets 1:01:13.000 --> 1:01:16.600 made on this team. And so you know, we'll take 1:01:16.600 --> 1:01:20.840 a little time and let the dust settle, uh, you know, 1:01:21.600 --> 1:01:24.080 figure out what went right, what went wrong, and start 1:01:24.160 --> 1:01:28.240 to two to put the right plan in place for 1:01:28.360 --> 1:01:34.640 what the future is. Uh. You know, I think you'd 1:01:34.680 --> 1:01:38.080 probably be a little silly not to have Mike Where's 1:01:38.160 --> 1:01:42.240 captain in his home country. He's a legend of the game. 1:01:42.360 --> 1:01:44.800 He's a legend on our team. He's represented US a 1:01:44.840 --> 1:01:48.640 million times, He's been an assistant captain a bunch of times. 1:01:49.560 --> 1:01:53.760 He has been UM an integral part of of of 1:01:53.840 --> 1:01:58.480 my back room UM squad and has been fully invested 1:01:58.520 --> 1:02:03.280 throughout my captaincy. So I would say it's looking pretty 1:02:03.320 --> 1:02:06.560 good that he he will be the next captain. Uh 1:02:06.600 --> 1:02:09.600 And you know, we're looking at future venues now and 1:02:09.640 --> 1:02:16.320 we're trying to match the right guy for the right place. UM. 1:02:16.360 --> 1:02:20.320 But I absolutely see myself being involved in some way, 1:02:20.400 --> 1:02:23.760 shape or form. You know, I love this team, I 1:02:23.840 --> 1:02:32.760 love these players. I have a very uh strong feel 1:02:33.440 --> 1:02:39.920 and passion for international golf and for building the game 1:02:40.680 --> 1:02:44.240 all over the world and for getting youngsters at a 1:02:44.360 --> 1:02:46.840 very young age to fall in love with the shield 1:02:46.960 --> 1:02:49.640 and fall in love with the international team and fall 1:02:49.680 --> 1:02:53.320 in love with the opportunity to compete against the best 1:02:53.440 --> 1:02:57.640 in the American team. That's something that I'm extremely focused on. 1:02:58.200 --> 1:03:01.360 So you know, I'll be involved as long as they 1:03:01.560 --> 1:03:03.280 want me to be involved. Off, But as far as 1:03:03.280 --> 1:03:06.439 the next captain goes, UM, you know, we're just gonna 1:03:06.440 --> 1:03:08.960 have to let the dust settle and decide what the 1:03:09.000 --> 1:03:11.920 best thing to do is. You mentioned the future. We 1:03:12.000 --> 1:03:14.200 talked about the fact that it does feel like the 1:03:14.240 --> 1:03:19.080 team has momentum. Um. I turned on Live from and 1:03:19.640 --> 1:03:21.720 you know, on Golf Channel, and you've got Brandol and 1:03:21.880 --> 1:03:25.160 Paul McGinley for fifteen minutes talking about how they're going 1:03:25.200 --> 1:03:29.360 to change the entire um. You know, presidents cup bring 1:03:29.360 --> 1:03:31.800 in um, you know some of the people from the 1:03:31.920 --> 1:03:34.280 LPGA around the world which listen. I think they're all 1:03:34.320 --> 1:03:37.240 great ideas, but doesn't it kind of pisces me off 1:03:37.360 --> 1:03:40.360 that we're thinking, Okay, we got to change this thing now, 1:03:40.840 --> 1:03:45.200 because I really do feel like it's going in the 1:03:45.280 --> 1:03:48.160 right direction for the international team. The U S team 1:03:48.160 --> 1:03:49.480 is always going to be the U S team, Right, 1:03:49.520 --> 1:03:51.959 They're always going to be you know, they're always gonna 1:03:51.960 --> 1:03:55.280 be Alabama, Right, They're always going to be the All Blacks, Right. 1:03:55.360 --> 1:03:58.520 You know what you get with the U S side, 1:03:58.760 --> 1:04:02.320 And it's an embarrassment of riches. Whoever is the captain 1:04:02.320 --> 1:04:05.520 of the American side? Um, the fact that when you 1:04:05.560 --> 1:04:07.600 look back and look at all the writer cups that 1:04:07.680 --> 1:04:10.880 the US didn't win with the talent and the teams 1:04:11.000 --> 1:04:14.280 that they had, But it is an embarrassment of riches 1:04:14.360 --> 1:04:16.560 from an American standpoint. I mean, if you look at 1:04:16.560 --> 1:04:19.400 the people that Davis and the Vice captains can sit 1:04:20.200 --> 1:04:22.760 in the president's cup or sit in the writer cup. 1:04:23.040 --> 1:04:25.080 I mean, you're like, man, you're gonna sit maximum Are 1:04:25.120 --> 1:04:28.200 you gonna take him out? Okay? Great? Um. It kind 1:04:28.200 --> 1:04:31.120 of pisces me off that now we're talking about we 1:04:31.240 --> 1:04:35.280 gotta change everything, all right? Man, Me too, Me too. 1:04:35.360 --> 1:04:38.280 I've had to listen to that crap for two years now, Claude, 1:04:38.920 --> 1:04:41.439 people hitting me up on social media all the time, 1:04:41.520 --> 1:04:43.360 telling me that they got to blow this thing up. 1:04:43.960 --> 1:04:48.800 They got to change the format, they gotta cut the points. Um. 1:04:48.840 --> 1:04:50.760 You know, we've got to bring the woman golfers in. 1:04:51.280 --> 1:04:56.000 I find it disrespectful on all accounts. To be extremely 1:04:56.360 --> 1:05:00.640 honest with you, I find it disrespectful to us as 1:05:00.680 --> 1:05:04.160 international golfers, that are professional athletes that compete at the 1:05:04.200 --> 1:05:07.800 highest level, week in a week out. We're not scrubs. 1:05:08.560 --> 1:05:12.360 Are we as strong as the Americans? Doesn't quite look 1:05:12.440 --> 1:05:14.880 like it right now. Have they kicked out butts in 1:05:14.880 --> 1:05:19.760 this event? They sure have, but there's been some close calls, um, 1:05:19.840 --> 1:05:23.120 and so I find it disrespectful to us. I find 1:05:23.120 --> 1:05:27.760 it equally disrespectful to the woman golfers. And here's why 1:05:29.160 --> 1:05:33.480 I don't think women golfers need men to make them 1:05:33.680 --> 1:05:39.560 and their competitions relevant. Their competitions are already relevant. I 1:05:39.640 --> 1:05:43.800 sit down and watch every single shot of the Solheim Cup, 1:05:44.600 --> 1:05:47.600 every single shot. It's one of my favorite times of 1:05:47.600 --> 1:05:50.920 the year when that event goes on. I watched the 1:05:51.040 --> 1:05:55.600 US Woman's Open. I watched the Woman's British Open a 1:05:55.600 --> 1:05:58.280 few weeks ago when South African actually brew High came 1:05:58.320 --> 1:06:01.160 down the stretch almost cofted up, and then one in 1:06:01.160 --> 1:06:06.320 the playoffs at Muirfield, matching Ernie Else's win at the 1:06:06.400 --> 1:06:10.080 Open at Muirfield. Women don't need men to make them 1:06:10.080 --> 1:06:13.920 relevant in sport. My family and I were glued to 1:06:14.120 --> 1:06:17.480 the TV when Serena Williams played her last match at 1:06:17.480 --> 1:06:20.120 the U S Open. She's one of the greatest athletes 1:06:20.160 --> 1:06:23.840 to ever walk on the planet. So I find it 1:06:23.880 --> 1:06:27.160 disrespectful on all accounts when people come with that opinion. 1:06:30.400 --> 1:06:32.560 I appreciate the fact that they may be trying to 1:06:32.600 --> 1:06:36.440 think outside of the box, but they needs to come 1:06:36.520 --> 1:06:42.280 up with something else. And I hope Paul doesn't um 1:06:42.440 --> 1:06:47.680 get offended by me saying this, but he texted me 1:06:47.720 --> 1:06:52.320 on Monday and he apologized for saying that on Live 1:06:52.400 --> 1:06:58.480 from because he realized what playing for the Shield means 1:06:58.520 --> 1:07:03.560 to us, what having the opportunity to compete in the 1:07:03.600 --> 1:07:07.160 President's Cup against the Americans means to us. And he 1:07:07.280 --> 1:07:11.320 realized that, and he realized that his take was incorrect, 1:07:11.840 --> 1:07:15.320 and he texted me to apologize, And I thanked him 1:07:15.600 --> 1:07:19.440 for having the guts to text me and to apologize, 1:07:19.600 --> 1:07:22.440 and I thanked him for realizing how much that event 1:07:22.480 --> 1:07:26.600 means to us. So I really do hope that we 1:07:26.680 --> 1:07:31.520 can find a way to create a woman's President's Cup. 1:07:32.920 --> 1:07:37.280 I think it would be incredible. The national team would 1:07:37.320 --> 1:07:40.040 be as strong as all heck, and they would probably dominate. 1:07:40.960 --> 1:07:43.680 I look forward to to to seeing that. I look 1:07:43.720 --> 1:07:49.400 forward to being of use and of service in any 1:07:49.400 --> 1:07:52.240 way possible with that. In fact, I've already had three 1:07:52.320 --> 1:07:56.920 or four conversations with my colleague Dottie Pepper about that idea. 1:07:57.920 --> 1:08:03.920 But let's leave the President's Cup and the international team 1:08:03.960 --> 1:08:09.400 alone for now, and let us compete and allow youngsters 1:08:09.440 --> 1:08:15.439 from Thailand and China and Japan and Korea and Australia 1:08:15.680 --> 1:08:18.679 and South Africa and Canada and all over South America 1:08:18.960 --> 1:08:22.000 allow them to grow up with this as their goal, 1:08:22.080 --> 1:08:25.040 to be able to compete on this level because we 1:08:25.160 --> 1:08:30.280 are eventually going to win this event. I promise you, Trevor, 1:08:30.320 --> 1:08:32.479 when you are a captain for these things, when you 1:08:32.479 --> 1:08:34.800 play in them, there's always these moments that that kind 1:08:34.840 --> 1:08:38.160 of stick out in your mind. I know you probably 1:08:38.200 --> 1:08:40.400 have a lot of them, but what are well, give 1:08:40.439 --> 1:08:43.920 me a lasting image or memory that that you kind 1:08:43.920 --> 1:08:47.360 of we're able during the moment to kind of look 1:08:47.400 --> 1:08:52.240 around and kind of go, man, this is this is 1:08:52.280 --> 1:08:54.720 something that will be a part of my life and 1:08:54.720 --> 1:09:03.800 be special for me moving forward. There were a few things, um. 1:09:03.960 --> 1:09:07.360 First of all, our first team dinner on Monday night, 1:09:08.960 --> 1:09:12.559 UH Company ton. I invested a lot of time with 1:09:12.640 --> 1:09:16.800 the help of of UM, you know, many people to 1:09:17.000 --> 1:09:21.080 build summarily kick ass team rooms at the golf course 1:09:21.160 --> 1:09:25.280 and at the hotel, and that first team don't know 1:09:25.400 --> 1:09:30.080 when those guys walked into our team room and and 1:09:30.200 --> 1:09:33.599 felt that and started reading the quotes on the wall, 1:09:34.680 --> 1:09:40.400 and when I spoke to them about how I saw 1:09:40.439 --> 1:09:46.719 the week panning out and playing out, UM and gave 1:09:46.720 --> 1:09:48.880 them my ideas on the week and my story for 1:09:48.920 --> 1:09:53.400 the week are revolved at all around the right Brothers 1:09:53.439 --> 1:09:58.080 and first Flight in North Carolina, and I gave them 1:09:58.080 --> 1:10:00.960 each a gift that was extremely impact and meaningful. That 1:10:01.080 --> 1:10:03.800 was something I'll never forget. That that feeling in the room, 1:10:03.880 --> 1:10:08.040 the love in that room was it was awesome to behold. 1:10:08.960 --> 1:10:12.920 The first tea on Thursday was another one. That opening 1:10:12.960 --> 1:10:16.679 ceremony with Davis and I got to speak the US 1:10:16.720 --> 1:10:20.920 anthem being some was something special to fly over. The 1:10:21.040 --> 1:10:24.839 energy from the crowd, the patriotism from the American fans, 1:10:25.479 --> 1:10:27.840 that was something I'll never forget. That was great to 1:10:27.880 --> 1:10:32.800 be a part of. And then Saturday afternoon when those 1:10:32.920 --> 1:10:35.960 when those two two matches came down eighteen and that 1:10:35.960 --> 1:10:39.280 that whole four hundred and eighty yard five hundred yard 1:10:39.320 --> 1:10:44.360 part four was lined ten deep. That was for me. 1:10:46.360 --> 1:10:49.200 The coolest atmosphere I've ever experienced on a golf course 1:10:49.240 --> 1:10:52.880 was in Tiger were the Masters. I was out on 1:10:52.920 --> 1:10:57.000 the golf course, excuse me, playing that final round, but 1:10:57.040 --> 1:10:59.439 I could feel that. And then I finished before him, 1:10:59.439 --> 1:11:03.479 and I was um near eighteen at the scoring area 1:11:03.720 --> 1:11:06.160 when he came through. You and I were standing right 1:11:06.160 --> 1:11:09.040 next to each other. That was the coolest moment I've 1:11:09.040 --> 1:11:11.000 ever experienced on a golf course. But I screwed you 1:11:11.080 --> 1:11:14.360 this that that moment on Saturday afternoon on the eighteenth 1:11:14.680 --> 1:11:18.560 was right there with it. The the atmosphere, the electricity, 1:11:18.960 --> 1:11:23.519 the passion from both teams, the will to win, the fight, 1:11:24.640 --> 1:11:31.160 the respect amongst the competitors. If you could bottle that, 1:11:31.160 --> 1:11:34.800 that's what this game is all about. Lastly, Trev, when 1:11:34.800 --> 1:11:38.800 you won the Masters, Um, your son Jacob was young then, 1:11:38.840 --> 1:11:41.400 he had red hair. Um, he had no clue what 1:11:41.439 --> 1:11:45.000 was going on. Um. What's the sixteen seventeen now the 1:11:45.080 --> 1:11:48.840 j man um for you as a father to get 1:11:48.880 --> 1:11:53.040 to spend a President's Cup captaincy with your son who's 1:11:53.080 --> 1:11:56.680 now playing competitive golf. He's sixteen. He knows what's going on. 1:11:56.920 --> 1:12:00.160 I mean, you're right around in the cart with him. 1:12:00.160 --> 1:12:03.439 He was there when Tom Kim made that part. It 1:12:03.520 --> 1:12:05.800 must have been pretty special for you and and and 1:12:05.880 --> 1:12:10.120 Jacob to to share that experience. He loves sports as 1:12:10.200 --> 1:12:14.080 much as you do. Um, that's got to be pretty cool. Yeah, 1:12:14.200 --> 1:12:16.920 it was awesome. It was awesome. My daughter Maya was 1:12:17.000 --> 1:12:18.800 there as well. She was kempt out on the first 1:12:18.840 --> 1:12:21.760 tea every day, starting a lot of those I T 1:12:22.120 --> 1:12:24.840 chants and loving and she had the face paint on 1:12:25.000 --> 1:12:27.080 the flags and all the stuff. So it was an 1:12:27.120 --> 1:12:31.240 awesome week for our family. Uh. And the support that 1:12:31.920 --> 1:12:34.760 Carnita gave me through this and the time she had 1:12:34.800 --> 1:12:39.120 dedicated was I'll owe her for a long time. But yeah, 1:12:39.160 --> 1:12:42.599 my son, great moments to have him there with us. 1:12:42.680 --> 1:12:46.200 He was with the team at all times, in the 1:12:46.280 --> 1:12:50.280 team rooms, um, there for all of our videos, there 1:12:50.320 --> 1:12:54.120 for all of our pet talks, UM and team gatherings. 1:12:55.120 --> 1:13:00.479 And you know, I'm so appreciative of the caddies and 1:13:00.880 --> 1:13:08.760 of the players and how they accepted him and and 1:13:08.920 --> 1:13:13.040 brought him in and really treated him with a lot 1:13:13.080 --> 1:13:15.880 of respect, just like he was one of their teammates. 1:13:15.760 --> 1:13:19.679 It was pretty special to see. And you know, they're 1:13:19.720 --> 1:13:22.519 they're all following him on social media on Instagram now 1:13:22.560 --> 1:13:25.840 and they're commenting on his posts and and the high 1:13:25.840 --> 1:13:27.720 five in him when they walk in from greens to 1:13:27.880 --> 1:13:31.720 tease and uh, you know, we brought him in and 1:13:31.760 --> 1:13:34.120 actually gave him a job. He was part of the 1:13:34.120 --> 1:13:36.719 support stuff. So he was out there, you know, Karen 1:13:36.800 --> 1:13:41.240 sandwiches and drinks and putting electrolytes into water bottles and 1:13:41.720 --> 1:13:44.479 you know, carrying umbrellas and stuff for the caddy. He 1:13:44.560 --> 1:13:48.280 was he was he was working as part of the 1:13:48.080 --> 1:13:51.160 had he had the Yarmo role from the cup. Hey, Yarmo, 1:13:51.479 --> 1:13:54.320 give me a sandwich, Yarmo, give me give me a 1:13:54.320 --> 1:13:59.160 bottle of It was great. It was great. And you know, 1:13:59.240 --> 1:14:01.200 like you said, he loved his golf. He competes. He's 1:14:01.240 --> 1:14:05.040 sixteen years old. You'd love to play collegiate golf and 1:14:05.240 --> 1:14:07.240 for him to be there and watch the best in 1:14:07.280 --> 1:14:11.360 the world, like from steps away and feel j t 1:14:11.560 --> 1:14:17.040 s energy and and feel uh Tom's heart and guts 1:14:17.360 --> 1:14:20.200 and be there to be able to watch how the 1:14:20.240 --> 1:14:23.800 best go about their business. Yeah, he's gonna have learned 1:14:23.840 --> 1:14:26.120 a lot from that week. I'm I'm very blessed to 1:14:26.120 --> 1:14:28.680 have been able to to spend it with him in 1:14:28.760 --> 1:14:32.680 such a close, plugged in manner. Well, I think you 1:14:32.680 --> 1:14:34.680 did a hell of a job. I know you guys 1:14:34.720 --> 1:14:37.479 didn't get the win, but um, I really do feel 1:14:37.520 --> 1:14:41.559 like there is a tremendous amount of positive momentum and 1:14:41.680 --> 1:14:44.880 energy for this international team moving forward. And I'm proud 1:14:44.920 --> 1:14:47.160 of you that you got to put your stamp and 1:14:47.560 --> 1:14:50.479 like you said, helped you put your brick in this 1:14:50.520 --> 1:14:55.240 foundation and hopefully in ten years time you as the 1:14:55.240 --> 1:14:57.280 international team. You guys are able to look at this 1:14:57.400 --> 1:14:59.960 and say, hey, we all built this together and we've 1:15:00.000 --> 1:15:04.439 finally got the win. And um, congratulations on um. I 1:15:04.439 --> 1:15:05.680 mean it's a hell of a year for you. I 1:15:05.680 --> 1:15:09.240 mean your presidents, cup captain, I mean CBS going into 1:15:09.280 --> 1:15:11.640 the chair next to Jim Nance. I mean, it's got it. 1:15:11.680 --> 1:15:13.679 I mean it's pretty good being Trevor Immerman right now. 1:15:14.640 --> 1:15:16.599 I think I need to sleep for a week before 1:15:16.640 --> 1:15:20.120 I think about it anything else. But thank you, thanks 1:15:20.160 --> 1:15:22.479 for talking to us, Trevin, and congrats on a great week, 1:15:22.960 --> 1:15:31.280 Ali brother. Thanks. So that was Trevor Immelman and um, 1:15:31.360 --> 1:15:32.960 you know what a week for trev What a week 1:15:33.000 --> 1:15:35.519 for the internationals. I think if you listen to that, 1:15:36.000 --> 1:15:40.640 anybody that thinks, um, that this doesn't mean something to 1:15:40.720 --> 1:15:43.240 the international team, Um, I think Trevor really did a 1:15:43.240 --> 1:15:47.000 fantastic job. You can hear it in his voice, you 1:15:47.000 --> 1:15:48.880 can hear it the way they played. Sure they didn't 1:15:48.880 --> 1:15:53.360 get a win, they've continually got beat but I mean 1:15:53.439 --> 1:15:55.559 it when I said it, and I think Trevor feels 1:15:55.560 --> 1:15:57.120 it as well. I think there's some momentum for the 1:15:57.120 --> 1:16:00.559 international side and um, I'm a being interesting to see 1:16:00.560 --> 1:16:03.599 if they can carry some of that to Canada for 1:16:03.680 --> 1:16:07.840 the next installment. Um. Thanks everybody for listening. We're going 1:16:07.880 --> 1:16:11.080 to continue to bring great guests. Son of a which 1:16:11.080 --> 1:16:15.000 comes to you every Wednesday. We'll see everybody next week.