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Speaker 1: It's the Son of a Butcher podcast. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Claude Harmon. We always come to you every Wednesday. Huge

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Speaker 1: week last week in professional golf, the President's Cup, and

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Speaker 1: so so happy to get an opportunity to talk to

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Speaker 1: the international team captain Trevor Immelman. We had him on

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Speaker 1: let's get to the interview with the International President's Cup

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Speaker 1: captain Trevor Immelman. All right, my guest is the cat

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Speaker 1: of the International President's Cup Team, Trevor. I went to

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Speaker 1: the first President's Cup, believe it or not. That's how

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Speaker 1: old I am. I think I remember it because one

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Speaker 1: the movie theater. It's how old I am, trev Even

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Speaker 1: though you guys didn't get the victory again, it seems

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Speaker 1: to me that there's finally some momentum for this international team.

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Speaker 1: Um with the way you know they performed down in

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Speaker 1: like there's a there's a team. UM. Do you feel that? Yeah? Yeah.

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Speaker 1: enjoy chatting with you, bro. But we do feel that.

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Speaker 1: I think all of our squad members feel that Australia

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Speaker 1: And he built this foundation for us, and we knew

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Speaker 1: eventually this house is going to be built. Eventually, we're

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Speaker 1: I mean, all that stuff is real, um, the fanatics

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Speaker 1: And I think the logo, the clothing, the way it's

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Speaker 1: pretty genius move from Ernie two. Want to step away

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Speaker 1: When you come to the President's camp, you are not

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Speaker 1: will probably invest sing four to five hours a day

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Speaker 1: Whistling Straits. And I'm hoping that that somebody on our team,

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00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 1: whether it's a song JM or a Sea woo uh.

432
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of these players, but Saden, how

433
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,640
Speaker 1: it goes out there and earns one and a half

434
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,160
Speaker 1: out at two points, you know, hopefully one of them

435
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 1: found something inside themselves that you know, not necessarily that

436
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:51,119
Speaker 1: they didn't think was there, but um, they now know

437
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,439
Speaker 1: how to access it. They now know how to access it.

438
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 1: And I look forward to seeing what the next twelve

439
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,640
Speaker 1: months holds for those guys. So let's take a short

440
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:07,199
Speaker 1: break and we will be back right after this. All right,

441
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 1: let's get back to the interview. He didn't get the

442
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 1: wind that that I know that you and everybody in

443
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: the international side wanted. Um, I think you were up

444
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: against some difficult cumstances. Obviously in the current state of

445
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 1: world golf affairs, with with all of the stuff going on,

446
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 1: it would be easy to talk about for you as

447
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:30,239
Speaker 1: an international captain travel the players that you didn't have

448
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 1: at your disposal that could have helped. But the team

449
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 1: that you had, man, I mean you there was some

450
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 1: good performances. I mean we joked last year when I

451
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 1: was working with Sea Who Kim before he fired me.

452
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 1: You were like, hey, you gotta get see where going

453
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 1: because you and I both know and if everybody listening

454
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: doesn't know, Seawood tries and about half the tournaments, half

455
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 1: the tournaments on the PGA Tour, right, I mean he

456
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 1: gives up, he bones it in. He's one of the worst.

457
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 1: He will admit that too. You and I have talked

458
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,360
Speaker 1: about this. You were saying, you know all last year,

459
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 1: come on, man, get and find some heart. I mean

460
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: when Sea Who gave the Patrick read shushed the crowd

461
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:15,719
Speaker 1: thing people and I think this was really good as well.

462
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: We saw the video that came out yesterday as Sung

463
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 1: Jay doing the dance, which is one of the coolest things. Um,

464
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 1: see who Tom Kim kge Lee. The Koreans genuinely outwardly

465
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: to the fans are very very introverted, introspective that don't

466
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: kind of show any emotions. But you and I know,

467
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 1: see who off the golf course is really funny. He's mischievous,

468
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: he likes to talk smack. To see that out of him,

469
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 1: I mean, that's That's one of the things I love

470
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 1: about these team competitions. It brings out a part of

471
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: a player's personality that you've never really seen before. Yeah,

472
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 1: for sure. Look as you said, he when I became captain,

473
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: he was one of the guys that I hear marked

474
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 1: that I thought, Okay, I have to have this to

475
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:10,919
Speaker 1: I have an incredible amount of respect for his golf

476
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:15,360
Speaker 1: game and his talent level I think he has. Ah.

477
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: I want to say this in the right way, but

478
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: there are very few golfers on the PGA Tour that

479
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: have as high have a ceiling as Seawood Kimp. His

480
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:32,120
Speaker 1: best golf is can be put on a level with anybody.

481
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: He just needs to find a way to be motivated

482
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: to allow that to happen. And so even though his

483
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: results were a little lack cluster when I was making

484
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: the picks. I saw enough out of him and the

485
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: days when I called him and texted him and I

486
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: was like, I need a good round today, always sixty five,

487
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 1: sixty six. The guy is just he's able to turn

488
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: it on when he's interested. So I knew that within

489
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 1: our team struck show, we would be able to keep

490
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: him engaged and keep him locked in. And I had

491
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: belief that if we could do that, he could really

492
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: go out there and beat anybody. Um so, and I

493
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: texted him. He called me on Monday to thank me

494
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 1: for the week and thank me for picking him, and

495
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: he told me that it was the best golfing week

496
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: of his life. And I challenged him. I said to him, dude,

497
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: you can play like that every time you play. You

498
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: just gotta want to do it. And so that's going

499
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: to be the thing for him. And he's one of

500
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: those players that really could step up. But we've seen

501
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: him when the players are ready. But he could win

502
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 1: a major, no problem. Just got to find a way

503
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 1: to be engaged for four or five days. But yeah,

504
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: the Koreans, let me tell you, they really became the

505
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: heartbeat of our team. Like you say, amazing personalities, try

506
00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 1: their best to speak English at every single opportunity. D

507
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 1: they throw themselves out there, which in a team environment,

508
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: that's really what you need. You need the players to

509
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: be vulnerable as soon as possible in the team room,

510
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: because once everybody sees that these big names are able

511
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: to to be vulnerable, everybody buys in immediately. That's another

512
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: thing that I learned from Dabbo and the Korean guys

513
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: rarely did that by trying to speak English, by people

514
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 1: having a laugh every now and then when they got

515
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: the order of words mixed up, and then them having

516
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 1: a laugh and um to a man, all four of

517
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: those guys and kJ amazing humor, incredible humor and willing

518
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: to make fun of everybody and themselves. Uh, just the best.

519
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 1: And we had these conduits there with Tom and with

520
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 1: our Korean translator Jim Park, to where you know, they

521
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: could aid us with some of the translation and and

522
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: really bring the point across. So gosh, I told him

523
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: all I was on a text chain with him and

524
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: with with the Korean guys, and I told him, you know,

525
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: they were the heartbeat of our team. And I'm so

526
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: thankful that they stepped up in such a big way

527
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: and contributed in such a big way to our team.

528
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: So um, my hats off to the man. Look, I know,

529
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: as an international player coming from South Africa, I didn't

530
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: have the language barrier that some of these players have.

531
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: But you know, when you want to compete against the best,

532
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,959
Speaker 1: you realize that that happens on the PGA too. At

533
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: an early age, I realized that happens on the PGA tour.

534
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: And at that point, you know that you're going to

535
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: have to leave everything behind that you know and that

536
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: you're comfortable with, whether you're from Korea, Australia, South Africa,

537
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: and you're gonna have to ship yourself and your life

538
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: and in some cases your family to the US and

539
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,719
Speaker 1: make that set to see if you can fulfill your

540
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: dreams and uh and those guys do that. And you

541
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: look at the Korean representation on the PGD turn, I'm

542
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: one to say there's nine of ten players they're out

543
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: there on tour, so they're doing an incredible job. My

544
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: hats off to kJ being being the godfather of it

545
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: all and the job they're doing there at the KPg A,

546
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: it's brilliant stuff. They're churning out some incredible talent and

547
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 1: we're not even talking about the woman that dominate the

548
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: game on the LPGA, So my hats off to them.

549
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: You mentioned see Who Kim um and the intensity. If

550
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,959
Speaker 1: he could bring that all the time, you put him

551
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: out in the singles match against Justin Thomas. I mean

552
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: the way that See Who played on Sunday, that fire,

553
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: that fight, that intensity, That's what Justin Thomas brings on

554
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: Thursday at the beginning of the year. I mean, Justin

555
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: Thomas is that guy all the time? I thought that

556
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: was a huge, huge win for See Who Um. We

557
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: couldn't talk about last week without talking about one of

558
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 1: the superstars to come out of this, Tom Kim. I'm

559
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,719
Speaker 1: glad that I that I that I called you and

560
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: told you in January after watching Tom played two rounds

561
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: with DJ in Saudi Arabia, I said, he needs to

562
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 1: be on your radar, and You're like, really, I was

563
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: like this guy, Trevi, I was messaging U Joe Scabrin,

564
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: who caddied for Ricky Fowler for you know, his whole career.

565
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: He's on the back for Tom Kim. Now we were

566
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: talking on Friday Saturday night. When you meet Tom, he

567
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: has something and you feel it in his personality. It's

568
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: it's his smile, it's you sit and talk to him

569
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: for five minutes. I don't know what it is, but

570
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: the kid has it and we saw that last week. Yeah. Absolutely,

571
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 1: I just want to back up real quick to see

572
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: the respect we have for him and the belief we

573
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: have in his gang. He was actually supposed to hit

574
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 1: the first T shot on third day. I had prepared

575
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: him for that. We were gonna send him and Cameron

576
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: Davis out first and an alternate shot. See where was

577
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 1: going to hit the first T shot? But um, when

578
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: Davis Um had deferred and made the change in the

579
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: selection process and threw it on us, then we had

580
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: to go to a different plan and strategy. But so

581
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: we had prepared him all week actually to hit that

582
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: first T shot on Thursday, So I knew he was

583
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 1: going to be ready for it on Sunday when we

584
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: threw him out there against Justin Thomas, and I knew

585
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: he was going to have the guts to be able

586
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: to handle that situation and stand up um to Justin.

587
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: You know, we know how how JT acts in these

588
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 1: team events. We've got a pretty large sample size. He

589
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: gets really pumped up. H He he is one of

590
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: the guys that brings the energy on their team. He

591
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: gets the crowd pumped up, and I knew, see who

592
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 1: you had the guts to stand up to. Now did

593
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: I think he was possibly going to take Justin Thomas down?

594
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: There was there was. There was hope there for sure,

595
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: because we needed it if we were going to win

596
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 1: the thing. But I knew that he wouldn't. I knew

597
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,399
Speaker 1: that Justin wouldn't be able to get into see Who's head,

598
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: and that's why we sent him out first. Now going

599
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 1: to Tom, Hey, I spent three years trying to get

600
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: into see what head. It's impossible. It's impossible to get

601
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 1: into that kid's head. You can't do it exactly. Now

602
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,320
Speaker 1: I go into Tom. Yeah, you know I I thanked

603
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 1: you a few times in the media already. When I

604
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 1: got that text for you, You're like, man, DJ's just

605
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: played a practice chunder with this kid, Tom Kim. He's unbelievable.

606
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:40,959
Speaker 1: You've got to check him out. And I started paying

607
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: attention from that moment. And he had a win and

608
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: a couple of seconds and a third on the Asian

609
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 1: Tour and at that time he's nineteen exactly right, but

610
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: he's been a pro since he was like sixteen or seventeen,

611
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 1: so he had a few years under his belt and

612
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,720
Speaker 1: then he started getting some starts in some bigger events,

613
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: some real events, and immediately made an impact. Um and

614
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: you know the way he performed at the Scottish Open

615
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: against you know, one of their biggest fields of the

616
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 1: year and had an amazing shot to win all the

617
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: way through that Sunday in the final group, made his

618
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 1: way into the Open and that was when the first

619
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 1: time I met him in person. I went out on

620
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: the Wednesday and he and see who were playing a

621
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 1: practice shound together, so texted with you. I was like,

622
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: you know, let me know when you guys tee of

623
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: from come out there and walk some holes. And I

624
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: met them on the fourth fairway and he's in the

625
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: fairway Tom. The whole location is back right, wind is

626
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: whipping and he just pures this high cut four iron

627
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,399
Speaker 1: into the middle of the green and I was like, man,

628
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: you know, first shot I ever seen from this kid,

629
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: and it's just pure right right where he's looking. And

630
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: walked with them for a few holes and immediately you

631
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: can feel there's something a little different about him. He

632
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 1: has a present, he has self belief whilst still being humble. Um,

633
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 1: and he has he has this mentality where he doesn't

634
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 1: shy away from the limelight. You know, he wants the

635
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 1: ball when it matters most. And you know, you don't

636
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 1: see that all that often. You see a lot of

637
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 1: great athletes that make an incredible living, but they're just

638
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: like to be able to cruise just under the frame

639
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 1: and do well and have top tens and you know,

640
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: finish on podium and uh and never rarely put themselves

641
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 1: out there. And it's not really a knock on them.

642
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: It's more about putting itself out there is damned difficult

643
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 1: and it's demanding, and there's a lot that comes with it,

644
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: and it's it's a strain mentally, and there's a lot

645
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: of an anxiety that comes with that, and so it's

646
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 1: not necessarily a knock on that athlete. But I'm just saying,

647
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:08,359
Speaker 1: when you find the ones that that asked for that

648
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: and want that and demand that, those ones are special.

649
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 1: Those ones are really special. And when you match that

650
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: with supreme talent is you know, when you find the

651
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 1: magic and this kid has that. This kid has that.

652
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,280
Speaker 1: And all week we were we were saying to him,

653
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: you want that part to win the Cup. And I'll

654
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 1: be like, I want that part, I want that part.

655
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make that putt and then lo and behold.

656
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 1: He didn't have the putt to win the Cup, but

657
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: he had a part that was vital to us on

658
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 1: Saturday evening. Did you think he was gonna make it?

659
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: I had no doubt he was gonna make it. You know.

660
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: You know what was so impressive to me, Claude. So

661
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 1: I was kind of running around. Um, it's very difficult

662
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 1: as captain to know where you need to be, and

663
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: you just going by instinct and you're going by guts,

664
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 1: and you're listening to the radio and you're starting to

665
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:09,760
Speaker 1: try and understand. And they got to seventeen, all square,

666
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: and I joined uh him and see we're in the

667
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 1: fairway on seventeen and I went up and I you know,

668
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: gave him a pat on the shoulder and I was like,

669
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: come on, we need you know, we need this point.

670
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 1: And he's like, I got it, I got it, I

671
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 1: got it. They tie seventeen. Um, they hit their t

672
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: shots down eighteen. He hits the straight one. But as

673
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: we're walking off the tees, like I whipped that I'm

674
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: gonna be so far back. So we're walking over the

675
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: hill and now you know, both teams are starting to

676
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: follow because everybody realizes this is this is a pivotal moment.

677
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: It was one of the most intense moments I've ever

678
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: felt on a golf course. The energy was like you

679
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: could it was hitting you hard. We get to his

680
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: ball and the guy's got like two thirties seven or

681
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: something like that. I mean, he's got two. I'm wanting

682
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,399
Speaker 1: to say to twenty two to cover that front left

683
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: bunker and see who's out in the right trees. And

684
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:11,840
Speaker 1: we're trying to figure out who should play first in

685
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 1: the better ball format. You know, does Tom want pressure

686
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: on him knowing where see who's ball is or does

687
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: he want sea whoo as a little bit of insurance.

688
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: And we get word from sea Where that he's got

689
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: a shot. He thinks he could get it up near

690
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: the green. It's taking a little while and Tom's just

691
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 1: says to me, tell him, I'm gonna go, Like he

692
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 1: couldn't wait anymore. He said, tell him, I'm gonna go.

693
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 1: So Camillo's down our radio. Camilla, I said, Tom's going,

694
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: So see who um stands back for a little while,

695
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: and the kid pulls the two iron now and Joe

696
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 1: says to him, perfect club, normal two iron. And he

697
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: gets over the ball and I look back and I

698
00:40:55,719 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: see three cuts of Americans fifteen yards from him, like

699
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 1: just off of the line, like they're right there, right there,

700
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:06,959
Speaker 1: you can feel them. It's the who's who have American golf.

701
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,919
Speaker 1: It's Thomas, it's Speed, it's Homer, it's for Now, it's

702
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: all their wives, it's the caddies. I mean, You've got

703
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 1: three golf carts packed with the best players in the

704
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: world and they are like steps from this kid. And

705
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: then you've got all the American vice captains who are

706
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 1: all made, you know, who have all one major championships

707
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: and all that. And he slocked this two iron, Dude,

708
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 1: as it took off, that ball was never going to

709
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: be outside of fifteen feet. And and that goes back

710
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: to what I was saying earlier. Some people really want

711
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: that moment and others, you know, are looking for ways

712
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: to shy away from it. And after he hits the shot,

713
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: I walk up to him, I put my up on him,

714
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: and I'm like, that was incredible, that was incredible. But

715
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 1: I wanted him to stay focused, because the energy all

716
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 1: of a sudden was like, man, We've got a shot

717
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: at this now. And I just said to him, make

718
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 1: that put stay focused and make that putt and uh.

719
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: And then afterwards we obviously got to him during the

720
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:13,800
Speaker 1: week the amount of times we said to him do

721
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 1: you want to do you want that putt to win

722
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 1: the Cup? Because afterwards with the media asked him about it,

723
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,240
Speaker 1: he said, he said, I wanted to make that put

724
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 1: more than anything in the world. And it just goes

725
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: to show Um somehow we got to him with with

726
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: all of that during the week. But the kid is

727
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: an absolute stud. I'm extremely excited to see what his

728
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: future halls. He reminds me, trev Um. If you think

729
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 1: about the coming out party that Sergio Garcia had um

730
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 1: early on in his career at Madina, and then the

731
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: way he played in the in the Wryter Cups, he

732
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 1: was you know, you were part of the young guns

733
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: with him and Scotty back in the day, and it

734
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 1: was that youthful kind of innocence mixed with confidence and

735
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: arrogance and all of that. And I looked all last

736
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: week reminded me so much of what happened to Sergio

737
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,280
Speaker 1: at a very young age in his career to where

738
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 1: he came out. He was running around, he was jumping around.

739
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: Everybody liked him. Um, he his energy was infectious. Um.

740
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 1: Do you think that an opportunity like this for Tom

741
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 1: can give him that springboard now to say, okay, I

742
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: can use this to help me get to the next level. Yeah,

743
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: there's no doubt. There's no doubt. We used to Scottish

744
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: Cheffler analogy earlier, comparison earlier, and um, I throw that

745
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 1: in there. The one caveat is, uh, if you look

746
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 1: at the difference between those two players as we're using

747
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 1: them as examples, you know, Scottish Cheffler is a very

748
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: very powerful player. Still hits it a long way, hits

749
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: it extremely high, can fire at any pin wherever it is,

750
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: and has the short game to match. Then has the intangibles.

751
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: Tom has the intangibles, He has the desire, he has

752
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: the heart and the guts. He has the skill level

753
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 1: from a standpoint of accuracy, owning one shot that he

754
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 1: knows he can rely on that baby fade, the thing

755
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 1: that's going to be interesting for me to to see,

756
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: and the one hurdle that I believe he still has

757
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 1: to overcome is um. He doesn't quite have the power.

758
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 1: So he was the second shortest hitter on our team,

759
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: him and Bosadon with the two shortest hitters, and I

760
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: thought it was a good sign that he acquitted himself

761
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: so well on a big ballpark like Quail holler Um.

762
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: He has a bit more of a knuckley ball flight

763
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 1: um and needs conditions to be firm and will be

764
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,800
Speaker 1: extremely dangerous when you look at golf courses like sedge

765
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 1: Field where he won the Windom or Colonial or Sony

766
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 1: places like that. But it's going to be interesting to

767
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: see if over the next few years he can continue

768
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 1: to generate a little speed to match everything else to

769
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: where he can bridge the gap. I mean, you look

770
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 1: at Ah just that match and who they were playing against.

771
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 1: You know he's going in with two iron. And then

772
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: the next match that came through there, the Burns Scott

773
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: h Davis Horsal match. Burns had a hundred and fifty

774
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: yards into that whole on eight team and Tom had

775
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: two seven. So it just goes to show, you know,

776
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,760
Speaker 1: it really is tough to keep up because Sam Burns

777
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:40,760
Speaker 1: and and Homer and Thomas and Scheffler, like, those guys

778
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,800
Speaker 1: have all the skills and they have the power to

779
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: match that. So that to me is the final hurdle

780
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: for Tom. You know he's only twenty, but it'll be

781
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,320
Speaker 1: very interesting to see if he can start to harness

782
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 1: a little more power to where he can bridge that

783
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 1: gap and instead of having I know he whipped that

784
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 1: T shirt. He told me so in his own words,

785
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,919
Speaker 1: but instead of seven, can he be inside of two

786
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: hundred to where he still has some kind of medium

787
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 1: iron in there because of a very difficult for him

788
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 1: over the course of four days. We would be at

789
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 1: a major US Open and a Master's when it's not

790
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 1: firm and fast for him to keep up with with

791
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: the big guns. Two other players, young players tribe that

792
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 1: I thought were standouts, Cam Davis and Sebastian Mono. So

793
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:28,280
Speaker 1: the way those two guys played, um, they are legit stunts.

794
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: I mean when I watch I mean Cam Davis obviously,

795
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: and talking about Tom, um, Tom isn't you know he's

796
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: by no means big, He's by no means long. When

797
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,240
Speaker 1: you look at Cam Davis, Cam Davis is the prototypical

798
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 1: two p G A tour player. He's six to the

799
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: six four hits it. Miles hits it to the sky.

800
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:54,320
Speaker 1: Can you know can hit seven iron from to fifteen

801
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: if he needs to. And then you've got a kid

802
00:46:56,600 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: like Sebastian Munos who was a great ball striker. Talk

803
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: to me about the contributions that those two guys were

804
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 1: because I thought the match that that that Cam Davis

805
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 1: down the stretch with Scotty on the team, Scotty you know,

806
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: as his partner, and I thought some of the shots

807
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 1: Sebastian Manials pulled off. Um, we're really really fantastic for

808
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: those two players. Yeah. Look, a lot of people, a

809
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 1: lot of people outed me, a lot of people laughed

810
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 1: at me. I got a lot of hate on Twitter

811
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 1: when I made those picks. I went a long way

812
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: down the line. Cam Davis was twenty in our qualification criteria,

813
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 1: Monos was thirteen or fourteen? See who was eighteen? But

814
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 1: I knew, just in getting to know those players over

815
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 1: the last couple of years, all the time that I

816
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: had spent with them, getting a look under the hood,

817
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 1: understanding what makes them tick, knowing what their strengths and

818
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 1: weaknesses are in their games, I knew they were going

819
00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: they had the potential to be eight fits with Quail

820
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 1: Hollow and with the canvas that we were going to

821
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 1: have to work with uh Cam Davis, particularly the way

822
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: he handled himself at the end of our qualification period

823
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,720
Speaker 1: when we had a lot of question marks, we didn't

824
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 1: know exactly who was going to be on our team.

825
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 1: He he He stepped up as an alternate and knew

826
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: that if certain players leave, he was going to get

827
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:32,839
Speaker 1: the call. And it didn't disappoint him. It fired him

828
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 1: up even more and it showed me how much he

829
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: loved our team, how much he wanted to play for

830
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,399
Speaker 1: the Shield, and how much he wanted to be at

831
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 1: the President's Cup. I learned a lot about him in

832
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 1: that um time period, and he just kept telling me

833
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 1: in the weeks leading up to the President's Cup, like

834
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,439
Speaker 1: I love match play. I played so much match play

835
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: when I was a kid down in Australia. It brings

836
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 1: something special out of me. I love knowing, you know,

837
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 1: looking at my opponent, feeling that one on one dynamic.

838
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 1: And he really was jazzed about it, and he was

839
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: coming out of his shell more and more. He's quite

840
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 1: a He's the most introverted aussy I've ever met in

841
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: my life. Okay, No, normally auzzies are you know, they're

842
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: out there. They're confident. Um they they'll let you know

843
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 1: exactly how they think. He's not that way. He's much

844
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 1: more reserved and and and introverted. But he was starting

845
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 1: to come out of his shell. And it was amazing

846
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 1: to see his confidence build and him and see, we're

847
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 1: really pulled off a beautiful upset on the first day

848
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:45,359
Speaker 1: of the tournament to get us our point. And yeah

849
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 1: for for him and Scotty the team up. I knew

850
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 1: that that had had the potential to be a pretty

851
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 1: good pairing because Cam you know, idolizes Scotty and and

852
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,359
Speaker 1: and watched him when he was a kid growing up.

853
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: And the opportunity for him to be able to show

854
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 1: wolf for one of his mentors, I knew that could

855
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:05,879
Speaker 1: could bring something special out of him. And the way

856
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 1: he played those last three holes with the high cut

857
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:13,280
Speaker 1: three wood into sixteen buries, the ten foot for eagle,

858
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 1: seventeen hits it in there eight feet buries that part,

859
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 1: uh for them to be one up and then to

860
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 1: make the part on eighteen to win that point. You know,

861
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 1: So the eagle Birdie Birdie finish was just it was fantastic.

862
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 1: I think one of the coolest moments that our team

863
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 1: has ever had. Moonos, I love that guy, man, I

864
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 1: love that guy he is. He's like a peaceful warrior.

865
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 1: He he's very calm and quiet. He was he was

866
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: a calming influence in the locker room. Ah. But he

867
00:50:55,719 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 1: has like this underlying toughness. And I thought, you know,

868
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: our team came a long way last week if you

869
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 1: look at him in some Jay's partnership from a data perspective,

870
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:15,359
Speaker 1: they matched up beautifully with this golf course. And the

871
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 1: fact that they went out there and and one that

872
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:23,399
Speaker 1: point together shows how far our team has come. We've

873
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 1: got a Colombian guy and a Korean guy teaming up

874
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 1: and and taking down a strong American pair. Uh. And

875
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 1: then we just had a feeling about him in the singles. Um.

876
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 1: You know, we had an idea of who we wanted

877
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: to play who in an ideal world, and we had

878
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 1: different options with each player. He's played a ton of

879
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: golf in Dallas with Scottie Scheffler, so we knew he

880
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: would be comfortable with that matchup. Uh. And man, did

881
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 1: he step up to the player take down the world

882
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 1: number one. What a moment for him, so so so

883
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 1: proud of him. And to see that moment where him

884
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 1: and his dad were hugging afterwards and his dad just

885
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 1: in tears, so proud of his kid taking down the

886
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 1: world number one man. Money can't buy that. That is

887
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 1: stuff that the dreams are made of. Yeah, and we

888
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 1: you know, I was at the Wryder Cup at Whistling

889
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: Straits and the same thing you you referenced at Scottie

890
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 1: Scheffler and the Singles takes down John Ram. Everybody on

891
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 1: that US team was going up to him afterwards, going

892
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:30,439
Speaker 1: you just beat the best player in the world. And

893
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 1: like you said, you could see this being a springboard

894
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 1: for a guy like Sebastian Munis to take that confidence

895
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 1: for beating a guy like Scottie Scheffler, who is you know,

896
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 1: one of, if not the best players in the game

897
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: right now. You mentioned Adam Scott Hadeki, Montzi Yama. They

898
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 1: are kind of the superstars of your international team. Scotty

899
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 1: is one of your your closest friends. He's been a

900
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 1: part of the the international team for pretty much forever.

901
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 1: It seems like. Talk to me about the role that

902
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 1: Scotty and her Deckie played last week. They didn't have

903
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 1: they didn't go undefeated, they didn't have the superstar rules.

904
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:09,399
Speaker 1: Um I think, I mean, I can't. I can't think

905
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: of how many times I saw her Deckie miss potts by.

906
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:13,919
Speaker 1: I mean, he hit so many good pots that didn't

907
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 1: go in. But the role that those guys played from

908
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 1: a team aspect and from a mentor aspect to these

909
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:24,360
Speaker 1: younger generation of international players, yeah, I was huge. It's huge.

910
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:29,319
Speaker 1: Those were out too playing captains if you wish. They

911
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:33,280
Speaker 1: were extremely involved in our decision making process from before

912
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:38,319
Speaker 1: the tournament. They were clued in on exactly what our

913
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 1: different plans were and the ways that we were gonna

914
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: try and run our team, and they gave their input constantly.

915
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 1: It was extremely important for me for them to be

916
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 1: very involved from the outset number one, because of my

917
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:56,919
Speaker 1: respect for them and what they've achieved in the game.

918
00:53:57,080 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 1: Number two, understanding their personalities and how high of a

919
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 1: golf i Q they have. But number three also these

920
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 1: guys are future captains, so I wanted to bring him

921
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 1: into the fray as much as I could so they

922
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 1: could start to understand exactly how this team operates. For

923
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 1: when they get the opportunity. Um, there was a tough

924
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 1: one for a decade. He didn't come in with his

925
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 1: game firing on all cylinders. He felt a little uncomfortable

926
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 1: with his putter, and the green complexes at Coil Hollow

927
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 1: are some of the toughest that we see all year

928
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 1: on tour, extremely undulating and lightning quick. I mean, these

929
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 1: things were running thirteen on a flat put every morning.

930
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 1: So you start to add some slope to that, a

931
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 1: one to slope to thirteen. It rarely exposes you if

932
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 1: you're not feeling comfortable with your stroke and the role

933
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 1: and the ball. So he was fighting that a little bit.

934
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 1: He was also fighting a right hip injury. UM. We

935
00:54:56,480 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 1: were managing that constantly, trying to stay on top of

936
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 1: how much he was going to be able to play.

937
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 1: He was a question mark in a number of sessions.

938
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 1: But he showed a lot of guts and kept coming

939
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 1: to me saying, I'm ready to go, I'm ready to go,

940
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:13,399
Speaker 1: I'm ready to go. And so I have a lot

941
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 1: of respect for him and I'm thankful to him for

942
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:21,840
Speaker 1: doing that. Uh. And we put him out early on Sunday.

943
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 1: We knew that the Americans after us. Uh, you know,

944
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 1: shall I say we pumped the brakes a little bit

945
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 1: on Saturday. I mean it still wasn't that close with

946
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 1: four points behind going into Sunday, but we pumped the

947
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:38,839
Speaker 1: brakes a little bit on them, and they they had

948
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:40,879
Speaker 1: to be smart with where they were going with their

949
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 1: lineup on Sunday, and we knew they would trying to

950
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 1: come out early and uh and get some points, so

951
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:50,439
Speaker 1: we threw her decide out there. He played extremely well,

952
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 1: got totally screwed on the eighteen tole. You know, for

953
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 1: people who didn't see that, he hits a quite a

954
00:55:57,760 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 1: nice t shut down the left hand side on the

955
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 1: dog leg left. What's up doing doing standing there? You know,

956
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this first, I really hope the gentleman's

957
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 1: knee is okay, because for a driver to land without

958
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 1: bouncing on your kneecap has to be excruciating. But yeah,

959
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 1: the fact that he's standing, you know, lands on your knee,

960
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 1: you know you're staying in the wrong damn place. What

961
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:27,919
Speaker 1: is he doing? I mean that t shot Claude would

962
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 1: have landed there and probably bounded another twenty yards down

963
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:35,840
Speaker 1: the fairway. He's got an eight nine wedge in his

964
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:40,320
Speaker 1: hand to a very easy accessible whole location on eighteen.

965
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 1: This ball hits the guy's knee, kicks back and into

966
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 1: the trees. So now he's got a brutal shot. He

967
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 1: gets this flyer over these trees, over the back, then

968
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 1: hits a miraculous chip shot that how that ball hits

969
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 1: the middle of the flagstick and doesn't go in, rattles

970
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:03,799
Speaker 1: around it stays out, eventually gets the half. But man,

971
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 1: he got pretty screwed there on eighteen. I felt bad

972
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 1: for him because he was he knew how important that

973
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 1: point was for us if we really wanted to to

974
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 1: put a little pressure on him, and he acquitted himself

975
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 1: really well. Scotty. Yeah, you know, like you said, he's

976
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 1: one of my best mates. We met each other when

977
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 1: when we were fourteen or fifteen years old, have competed

978
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 1: with each other since that moment, and you know, we

979
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 1: know a lot about each other. We've shared a lot

980
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 1: of different things about our lives, what we've been through.

981
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 1: We've become extremely close and he really has been a

982
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 1: rock for me through my captaincy. Um. You know, it

983
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 1: was tricky at times when everybody was saying that he

984
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 1: was he was not going to be on the team.

985
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 1: He was going to be leaving, he was gonna be

986
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 1: going somewhere else, and I was getting all this stuff

987
00:57:57,800 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 1: thrown at me all the time, and I knew he

988
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 1: wouldn't go. And anyway, the guy committed to me way

989
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 1: back in the process, and he was all in and invested.

990
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: We would have weekly calls about our team, about the

991
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 1: decisions we were making, about the way things wanted to go,

992
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 1: we wanted things to go. And what I thought was

993
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 1: so special about him and showed his true heart and character,

994
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 1: was about six weeks before the end of our qualification,

995
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 1: he said to me, you're not going to pick me

996
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:37,919
Speaker 1: for this. I'm going to qualify on my own. And

997
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 1: he added PGA Tour events to his schedule. He traveled more,

998
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 1: which you and I both know Scotty. Scotty's on the

999
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 1: old Tigers schedule. You know, he likes to play fifteen

1000
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 1: events a year max. He's Howard. He he's the Howard

1001
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 1: Hughes of gone. So you know, he adds Rocket Mortgage,

1002
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 1: he adds Windham just to get into the playoffs. Now

1003
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 1: he knows he's given himself a shot um to earn

1004
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 1: some more points. He finished, he played good he did.

1005
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 1: He finished top five in those both two playoff events,

1006
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 1: qualifies himself for the Tour Championship, coming from nowhere before

1007
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 1: before that and earned his way onto the team. And

1008
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 1: that you know, it didn't just show me so much.

1009
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 1: It showed everybody else on our team, everybody in our squad.

1010
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:30,480
Speaker 1: It showed if that guy, if this guy, like a

1011
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 1: future Hall of Famer, wants to make this team that badly,

1012
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 1: then we got to bring it to and so man,

1013
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 1: he he was a huge part of it. I'm extremely

1014
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 1: thankful to everything he did for me while while I

1015
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 1: was keptain. So the obvious question, trev Um, I know

1016
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 1: how your brain works. Do you want to do it again?

1017
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 1: Would you be the captain again? Or is it a

1018
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 1: one and dawn Um, is that what you think is

1019
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 1: best for the international team moving forward to get a

1020
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 1: guy like Adam Scott in to get these guys or

1021
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 1: I mean I think you are you are the perfect

1022
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 1: person for this role, Um, just with the not only

1023
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 1: with the way that your brain works, but as a

1024
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:20,640
Speaker 1: former Master's champion, a guy that's beaten Tiger Woods down

1025
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 1: the stretch, a guy that's played all over the world,

1026
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 1: a guy that's now you know, going to be in

1027
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 1: the chair next to Jim Nance you know at CBS. UM.

1028
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:32,280
Speaker 1: You know, I messaged you earlier in the week and

1029
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 1: I and I meant it. I look at your career

1030
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 1: and I look at you know when you and I

1031
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 1: met each other, and it was a two thousand and

1032
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 1: two the things that you've done. But I know how

1033
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 1: your brain works, and I know that you will have

1034
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:47,680
Speaker 1: loved doing this job. If they wanted you to do

1035
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 1: it again, would you do it? I would, I would,

1036
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:55,919
Speaker 1: But I don't know if it's the right thing to do.

1037
01:00:57,080 --> 01:01:00,440
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, we have a process with the

1038
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:07,400
Speaker 1: international team now. We UM for the most part, for

1039
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 1: ninety five, are in control of every decision that gets

1040
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 1: made on this team. And so you know, we'll take

1041
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 1: a little time and let the dust settle, uh, you know,

1042
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 1: figure out what went right, what went wrong, and start

1043
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 1: to two to put the right plan in place for

1044
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 1: what the future is. Uh. You know, I think you'd

1045
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 1: probably be a little silly not to have Mike Where's

1046
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:42,240
Speaker 1: captain in his home country. He's a legend of the game.

1047
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 1: He's a legend on our team. He's represented US a

1048
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:48,640
Speaker 1: million times, He's been an assistant captain a bunch of times.

1049
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 1: He has been UM an integral part of of of

1050
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:58,480
Speaker 1: my back room UM squad and has been fully invested

1051
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 1: throughout my captaincy. So I would say it's looking pretty

1052
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:06,560
Speaker 1: good that he he will be the next captain. Uh

1053
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 1: And you know, we're looking at future venues now and

1054
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 1: we're trying to match the right guy for the right place. UM.

1055
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:20,320
Speaker 1: But I absolutely see myself being involved in some way,

1056
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 1: shape or form. You know, I love this team, I

1057
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 1: love these players. I have a very uh strong feel

1058
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 1: and passion for international golf and for building the game

1059
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 1: all over the world and for getting youngsters at a

1060
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 1: very young age to fall in love with the shield

1061
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 1: and fall in love with the international team and fall

1062
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 1: in love with the opportunity to compete against the best

1063
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 1: in the American team. That's something that I'm extremely focused on.

1064
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 1: So you know, I'll be involved as long as they

1065
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:03,280
Speaker 1: want me to be involved. Off, But as far as

1066
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:06,439
Speaker 1: the next captain goes, UM, you know, we're just gonna

1067
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 1: have to let the dust settle and decide what the

1068
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:11,920
Speaker 1: best thing to do is. You mentioned the future. We

1069
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:14,200
Speaker 1: talked about the fact that it does feel like the

1070
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 1: team has momentum. Um. I turned on Live from and

1071
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:21,720
Speaker 1: you know, on Golf Channel, and you've got Brandol and

1072
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:25,160
Speaker 1: Paul McGinley for fifteen minutes talking about how they're going

1073
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 1: to change the entire um. You know, presidents cup bring

1074
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:31,800
Speaker 1: in um, you know some of the people from the

1075
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:34,280
Speaker 1: LPGA around the world which listen. I think they're all

1076
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:37,240
Speaker 1: great ideas, but doesn't it kind of pisces me off

1077
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:40,360
Speaker 1: that we're thinking, Okay, we got to change this thing now,

1078
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:45,200
Speaker 1: because I really do feel like it's going in the

1079
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:48,160
Speaker 1: right direction for the international team. The U S team

1080
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:49,480
Speaker 1: is always going to be the U S team, Right,

1081
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:51,959
Speaker 1: They're always going to be you know, they're always gonna

1082
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 1: be Alabama, Right, They're always going to be the All Blacks, Right.

1083
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:58,520
Speaker 1: You know what you get with the U S side,

1084
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 1: And it's an embarrassment of riches. Whoever is the captain

1085
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 1: of the American side? Um, the fact that when you

1086
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:07,600
Speaker 1: look back and look at all the writer cups that

1087
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:10,880
Speaker 1: the US didn't win with the talent and the teams

1088
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 1: that they had, But it is an embarrassment of riches

1089
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 1: from an American standpoint. I mean, if you look at

1090
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 1: the people that Davis and the Vice captains can sit

1091
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 1: in the president's cup or sit in the writer cup.

1092
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:25,080
Speaker 1: I mean, you're like, man, you're gonna sit maximum Are

1093
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:28,200
Speaker 1: you gonna take him out? Okay? Great? Um. It kind

1094
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 1: of pisces me off that now we're talking about we

1095
01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:35,280
Speaker 1: gotta change everything, all right? Man, Me too, Me too.

1096
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:38,280
Speaker 1: I've had to listen to that crap for two years now, Claude,

1097
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:41,439
Speaker 1: people hitting me up on social media all the time,

1098
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 1: telling me that they got to blow this thing up.

1099
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:48,800
Speaker 1: They got to change the format, they gotta cut the points. Um.

1100
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 1: You know, we've got to bring the woman golfers in.

1101
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:56,000
Speaker 1: I find it disrespectful on all accounts. To be extremely

1102
01:04:56,360 --> 01:05:00,640
Speaker 1: honest with you, I find it disrespectful to us as

1103
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:04,160
Speaker 1: international golfers, that are professional athletes that compete at the

1104
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 1: highest level, week in a week out. We're not scrubs.

1105
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:12,360
Speaker 1: Are we as strong as the Americans? Doesn't quite look

1106
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 1: like it right now. Have they kicked out butts in

1107
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 1: this event? They sure have, but there's been some close calls, um,

1108
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 1: and so I find it disrespectful to us. I find

1109
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 1: it equally disrespectful to the woman golfers. And here's why

1110
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:33,480
Speaker 1: I don't think women golfers need men to make them

1111
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:39,560
Speaker 1: and their competitions relevant. Their competitions are already relevant. I

1112
01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:43,800
Speaker 1: sit down and watch every single shot of the Solheim Cup,

1113
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 1: every single shot. It's one of my favorite times of

1114
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:50,920
Speaker 1: the year when that event goes on. I watched the

1115
01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 1: US Woman's Open. I watched the Woman's British Open a

1116
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:58,280
Speaker 1: few weeks ago when South African actually brew High came

1117
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:01,160
Speaker 1: down the stretch almost cofted up, and then one in

1118
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:06,320
Speaker 1: the playoffs at Muirfield, matching Ernie Else's win at the

1119
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:10,080
Speaker 1: Open at Muirfield. Women don't need men to make them

1120
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:13,920
Speaker 1: relevant in sport. My family and I were glued to

1121
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:17,480
Speaker 1: the TV when Serena Williams played her last match at

1122
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:20,120
Speaker 1: the U S Open. She's one of the greatest athletes

1123
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:23,840
Speaker 1: to ever walk on the planet. So I find it

1124
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:27,160
Speaker 1: disrespectful on all accounts when people come with that opinion.

1125
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:32,560
Speaker 1: I appreciate the fact that they may be trying to

1126
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:36,440
Speaker 1: think outside of the box, but they needs to come

1127
01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 1: up with something else. And I hope Paul doesn't um

1128
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:47,680
Speaker 1: get offended by me saying this, but he texted me

1129
01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:52,320
Speaker 1: on Monday and he apologized for saying that on Live

1130
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:58,480
Speaker 1: from because he realized what playing for the Shield means

1131
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:03,560
Speaker 1: to us, what having the opportunity to compete in the

1132
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:07,160
Speaker 1: President's Cup against the Americans means to us. And he

1133
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:11,320
Speaker 1: realized that, and he realized that his take was incorrect,

1134
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:15,320
Speaker 1: and he texted me to apologize, And I thanked him

1135
01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:19,440
Speaker 1: for having the guts to text me and to apologize,

1136
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:22,440
Speaker 1: and I thanked him for realizing how much that event

1137
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:26,600
Speaker 1: means to us. So I really do hope that we

1138
01:07:26,680 --> 01:07:31,520
Speaker 1: can find a way to create a woman's President's Cup.

1139
01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:37,280
Speaker 1: I think it would be incredible. The national team would

1140
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:40,040
Speaker 1: be as strong as all heck, and they would probably dominate.

1141
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:43,680
Speaker 1: I look forward to to to seeing that. I look

1142
01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:49,400
Speaker 1: forward to being of use and of service in any

1143
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:52,240
Speaker 1: way possible with that. In fact, I've already had three

1144
01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:56,920
Speaker 1: or four conversations with my colleague Dottie Pepper about that idea.

1145
01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:03,920
Speaker 1: But let's leave the President's Cup and the international team

1146
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:09,400
Speaker 1: alone for now, and let us compete and allow youngsters

1147
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:15,439
Speaker 1: from Thailand and China and Japan and Korea and Australia

1148
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:18,679
Speaker 1: and South Africa and Canada and all over South America

1149
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:22,000
Speaker 1: allow them to grow up with this as their goal,

1150
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:25,040
Speaker 1: to be able to compete on this level because we

1151
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:30,280
Speaker 1: are eventually going to win this event. I promise you, Trevor,

1152
01:08:30,320 --> 01:08:32,479
Speaker 1: when you are a captain for these things, when you

1153
01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:34,800
Speaker 1: play in them, there's always these moments that that kind

1154
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:38,160
Speaker 1: of stick out in your mind. I know you probably

1155
01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:40,400
Speaker 1: have a lot of them, but what are well, give

1156
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:43,920
Speaker 1: me a lasting image or memory that that you kind

1157
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:47,360
Speaker 1: of we're able during the moment to kind of look

1158
01:08:47,400 --> 01:08:52,240
Speaker 1: around and kind of go, man, this is this is

1159
01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:54,720
Speaker 1: something that will be a part of my life and

1160
01:08:54,720 --> 01:09:03,800
Speaker 1: be special for me moving forward. There were a few things, um.

1161
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:07,360
Speaker 1: First of all, our first team dinner on Monday night,

1162
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:12,559
Speaker 1: UH Company ton. I invested a lot of time with

1163
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:16,800
Speaker 1: the help of of UM, you know, many people to

1164
01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:21,080
Speaker 1: build summarily kick ass team rooms at the golf course

1165
01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:25,280
Speaker 1: and at the hotel, and that first team don't know

1166
01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:30,080
Speaker 1: when those guys walked into our team room and and

1167
01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:33,599
Speaker 1: felt that and started reading the quotes on the wall,

1168
01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:40,400
Speaker 1: and when I spoke to them about how I saw

1169
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:46,719
Speaker 1: the week panning out and playing out, UM and gave

1170
01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:48,880
Speaker 1: them my ideas on the week and my story for

1171
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:53,400
Speaker 1: the week are revolved at all around the right Brothers

1172
01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:58,080
Speaker 1: and first Flight in North Carolina, and I gave them

1173
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:00,960
Speaker 1: each a gift that was extremely impact and meaningful. That

1174
01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:03,800
Speaker 1: was something I'll never forget. That that feeling in the room,

1175
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:08,040
Speaker 1: the love in that room was it was awesome to behold.

1176
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:12,920
Speaker 1: The first tea on Thursday was another one. That opening

1177
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:16,679
Speaker 1: ceremony with Davis and I got to speak the US

1178
01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:20,920
Speaker 1: anthem being some was something special to fly over. The

1179
01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:24,839
Speaker 1: energy from the crowd, the patriotism from the American fans,

1180
01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:27,840
Speaker 1: that was something I'll never forget. That was great to

1181
01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:32,800
Speaker 1: be a part of. And then Saturday afternoon when those

1182
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:35,960
Speaker 1: when those two two matches came down eighteen and that

1183
01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:39,280
Speaker 1: that whole four hundred and eighty yard five hundred yard

1184
01:10:39,320 --> 01:10:44,360
Speaker 1: part four was lined ten deep. That was for me.

1185
01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:49,200
Speaker 1: The coolest atmosphere I've ever experienced on a golf course

1186
01:10:49,240 --> 01:10:52,880
Speaker 1: was in Tiger were the Masters. I was out on

1187
01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:57,000
Speaker 1: the golf course, excuse me, playing that final round, but

1188
01:10:57,040 --> 01:10:59,439
Speaker 1: I could feel that. And then I finished before him,

1189
01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:03,479
Speaker 1: and I was um near eighteen at the scoring area

1190
01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:06,160
Speaker 1: when he came through. You and I were standing right

1191
01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:09,040
Speaker 1: next to each other. That was the coolest moment I've

1192
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:11,000
Speaker 1: ever experienced on a golf course. But I screwed you

1193
01:11:11,080 --> 01:11:14,360
Speaker 1: this that that moment on Saturday afternoon on the eighteenth

1194
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:18,560
Speaker 1: was right there with it. The the atmosphere, the electricity,

1195
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:23,519
Speaker 1: the passion from both teams, the will to win, the fight,

1196
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:31,160
Speaker 1: the respect amongst the competitors. If you could bottle that,

1197
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:34,800
Speaker 1: that's what this game is all about. Lastly, Trev, when

1198
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:38,800
Speaker 1: you won the Masters, Um, your son Jacob was young then,

1199
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:41,400
Speaker 1: he had red hair. Um, he had no clue what

1200
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:45,000
Speaker 1: was going on. Um. What's the sixteen seventeen now the

1201
01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:48,840
Speaker 1: j man um for you as a father to get

1202
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:53,040
Speaker 1: to spend a President's Cup captaincy with your son who's

1203
01:11:53,080 --> 01:11:56,680
Speaker 1: now playing competitive golf. He's sixteen. He knows what's going on.

1204
01:11:56,920 --> 01:12:00,160
Speaker 1: I mean, you're right around in the cart with him.

1205
01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:03,439
Speaker 1: He was there when Tom Kim made that part. It

1206
01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:05,800
Speaker 1: must have been pretty special for you and and and

1207
01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:10,120
Speaker 1: Jacob to to share that experience. He loves sports as

1208
01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:14,080
Speaker 1: much as you do. Um, that's got to be pretty cool. Yeah,

1209
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:16,920
Speaker 1: it was awesome. It was awesome. My daughter Maya was

1210
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:18,800
Speaker 1: there as well. She was kempt out on the first

1211
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:21,760
Speaker 1: tea every day, starting a lot of those I T

1212
01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:24,840
Speaker 1: chants and loving and she had the face paint on

1213
01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:27,080
Speaker 1: the flags and all the stuff. So it was an

1214
01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:31,240
Speaker 1: awesome week for our family. Uh. And the support that

1215
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:34,760
Speaker 1: Carnita gave me through this and the time she had

1216
01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:39,120
Speaker 1: dedicated was I'll owe her for a long time. But yeah,

1217
01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:42,599
Speaker 1: my son, great moments to have him there with us.

1218
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:46,200
Speaker 1: He was with the team at all times, in the

1219
01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:50,280
Speaker 1: team rooms, um, there for all of our videos, there

1220
01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:54,120
Speaker 1: for all of our pet talks, UM and team gatherings.

1221
01:12:55,120 --> 01:13:00,479
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm so appreciative of the caddies and

1222
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:08,760
Speaker 1: of the players and how they accepted him and and

1223
01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:13,040
Speaker 1: brought him in and really treated him with a lot

1224
01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:15,880
Speaker 1: of respect, just like he was one of their teammates.

1225
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:19,679
Speaker 1: It was pretty special to see. And you know, they're

1226
01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:22,519
Speaker 1: they're all following him on social media on Instagram now

1227
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:25,840
Speaker 1: and they're commenting on his posts and and the high

1228
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:27,720
Speaker 1: five in him when they walk in from greens to

1229
01:13:27,880 --> 01:13:31,720
Speaker 1: tease and uh, you know, we brought him in and

1230
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:34,120
Speaker 1: actually gave him a job. He was part of the

1231
01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:36,719
Speaker 1: support stuff. So he was out there, you know, Karen

1232
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:41,240
Speaker 1: sandwiches and drinks and putting electrolytes into water bottles and

1233
01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:44,479
Speaker 1: you know, carrying umbrellas and stuff for the caddy. He

1234
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:48,280
Speaker 1: was he was he was working as part of the

1235
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:51,160
Speaker 1: had he had the Yarmo role from the cup. Hey, Yarmo,

1236
01:13:51,479 --> 01:13:54,320
Speaker 1: give me a sandwich, Yarmo, give me give me a

1237
01:13:54,320 --> 01:13:59,160
Speaker 1: bottle of It was great. It was great. And you know,

1238
01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:01,200
Speaker 1: like you said, he loved his golf. He competes. He's

1239
01:14:01,240 --> 01:14:05,040
Speaker 1: sixteen years old. You'd love to play collegiate golf and

1240
01:14:05,240 --> 01:14:07,240
Speaker 1: for him to be there and watch the best in

1241
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:11,360
Speaker 1: the world, like from steps away and feel j t

1242
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:17,040
Speaker 1: s energy and and feel uh Tom's heart and guts

1243
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:20,200
Speaker 1: and be there to be able to watch how the

1244
01:14:20,240 --> 01:14:23,800
Speaker 1: best go about their business. Yeah, he's gonna have learned

1245
01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:26,120
Speaker 1: a lot from that week. I'm I'm very blessed to

1246
01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:28,680
Speaker 1: have been able to to spend it with him in

1247
01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:32,680
Speaker 1: such a close, plugged in manner. Well, I think you

1248
01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:34,680
Speaker 1: did a hell of a job. I know you guys

1249
01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:37,479
Speaker 1: didn't get the win, but um, I really do feel

1250
01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:41,559
Speaker 1: like there is a tremendous amount of positive momentum and

1251
01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:44,880
Speaker 1: energy for this international team moving forward. And I'm proud

1252
01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:47,160
Speaker 1: of you that you got to put your stamp and

1253
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:50,479
Speaker 1: like you said, helped you put your brick in this

1254
01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:55,240
Speaker 1: foundation and hopefully in ten years time you as the

1255
01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:57,280
Speaker 1: international team. You guys are able to look at this

1256
01:14:57,400 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 1: and say, hey, we all built this together and we've

1257
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:04,439
Speaker 1: finally got the win. And um, congratulations on um. I

1258
01:15:04,439 --> 01:15:05,680
Speaker 1: mean it's a hell of a year for you. I

1259
01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:09,240
Speaker 1: mean your presidents, cup captain, I mean CBS going into

1260
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:11,640
Speaker 1: the chair next to Jim Nance. I mean, it's got it.

1261
01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:13,679
Speaker 1: I mean it's pretty good being Trevor Immerman right now.

1262
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:16,599
Speaker 1: I think I need to sleep for a week before

1263
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:20,120
Speaker 1: I think about it anything else. But thank you, thanks

1264
01:15:20,160 --> 01:15:22,479
Speaker 1: for talking to us, Trevin, and congrats on a great week,

1265
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:31,280
Speaker 1: Ali brother. Thanks. So that was Trevor Immelman and um,

1266
01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:32,960
Speaker 1: you know what a week for trev What a week

1267
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:35,519
Speaker 1: for the internationals. I think if you listen to that,

1268
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:40,640
Speaker 1: anybody that thinks, um, that this doesn't mean something to

1269
01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:43,240
Speaker 1: the international team, Um, I think Trevor really did a

1270
01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:47,000
Speaker 1: fantastic job. You can hear it in his voice, you

1271
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:48,880
Speaker 1: can hear it the way they played. Sure they didn't

1272
01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:53,360
Speaker 1: get a win, they've continually got beat but I mean

1273
01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:55,559
Speaker 1: it when I said it, and I think Trevor feels

1274
01:15:55,560 --> 01:15:57,120
Speaker 1: it as well. I think there's some momentum for the

1275
01:15:57,120 --> 01:16:00,559
Speaker 1: international side and um, I'm a being interesting to see

1276
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:03,599
Speaker 1: if they can carry some of that to Canada for

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