WEBVTT - The Workers Kept Uncovering Grave After Grave 0:00:01.160 --> 0:00:05.000 Welcome to Haunted Road, a production of iHeartRadio and Grimm 0:00:05.040 --> 0:00:06.520 and Mild from Aaron Minky. 0:00:07.120 --> 0:00:08.840 Listener, discretion is advised. 0:00:13.840 --> 0:00:16.439 A few years back, I was sitting in what may 0:00:16.480 --> 0:00:19.279 have been the most beautiful hotel I had ever laid 0:00:19.320 --> 0:00:22.959 eyes on. To be honest, I wasn't a guest, but 0:00:23.200 --> 0:00:26.080 I walked in like I was one, trying not to 0:00:26.120 --> 0:00:29.480 catch anyone's attention. I sidled up to the first bar 0:00:29.600 --> 0:00:31.880 I saw, and sat and ordered a glass of wine 0:00:32.200 --> 0:00:36.680 so I could fully absorb my surroundings. The hotel was 0:00:36.840 --> 0:00:41.199 positively lush with color, and clearly there was a dress code, 0:00:41.440 --> 0:00:43.680 because all the women were in dresses and the men 0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:48.480 in jackets. Thankfully, i'd gotten the memo beforehand, but I'd 0:00:48.479 --> 0:00:52.240 also gotten the memo that this hotel was haunted. Built 0:00:52.280 --> 0:00:55.040 in the late eighteen hundreds, ghost stories have been told 0:00:55.080 --> 0:01:00.760 about it for decades. Naturally, my curiosity was piqued. Point blank, 0:01:00.840 --> 0:01:05.400 asked the bartender, is this hotel haunted? She looked at me, 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:08.600 quite literally, like she had seen a ghost. She looked 0:01:08.640 --> 0:01:10.920 back and forth as if to see if anyone was 0:01:10.959 --> 0:01:13.920 within earshot, and she leaned in close to me and 0:01:13.959 --> 0:01:17.800 whispered I'm not supposed to talk about it, but yes, 0:01:18.480 --> 0:01:22.600 I won't even walk back to the employee housing alone again. 0:01:23.000 --> 0:01:26.479 She looked around and quickly said, that's all I can say. 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:30.480 So of course I had to know more. Why don't 0:01:30.480 --> 0:01:33.800 we learn together? Come with me Haunted roadies as we 0:01:33.920 --> 0:01:39.240 journey to the Grand Hotel on mckinaw Island. I'm Amy Bruney, 0:01:39.600 --> 0:01:45.160 and this is Haunted Road. Mckinaw Island is a small 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:48.920 isle in Michigan's Lake Huron. It spans just under four 0:01:48.920 --> 0:01:52.080 square miles. You can reach it a few ways via 0:01:52.200 --> 0:01:55.840 a fifteen minute ferry ride or by charter plane, but 0:01:55.880 --> 0:01:58.240 there are no bridges or roads that would let you 0:01:58.320 --> 0:02:01.360 drive or walk there. The only other option is to 0:02:01.440 --> 0:02:03.960 wait until the lake freeze is solid enough that you 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:08.560 can cross it by snowmobile. Sounds terrifying. If you venture 0:02:08.639 --> 0:02:12.799 out to Mackinaw, you'll find largely untouched wilderness, as over 0:02:12.880 --> 0:02:15.760 eighty percent of the land is a state park. While 0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:18.840 you can shop for homemade fudge or other gifts, for 0:02:18.880 --> 0:02:21.880 the most part, businesses and homes are hard to come by. 0:02:22.320 --> 0:02:25.960 Only about five hundred people live on the island full time, 0:02:26.639 --> 0:02:30.040 but on top of one grassy treelined one hundred foot 0:02:30.080 --> 0:02:34.800 tall bluff, an expansive, five story hotel stands. It's a 0:02:34.919 --> 0:02:40.120 grand white building that combines Queen Anne and colonial revival elements. 0:02:40.720 --> 0:02:43.800 This building, called the Grand Hotel, is one of the 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:48.040 last remaining wood frame hotels in the United States, and 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:51.880 it's no surprise that it's still standing. It's made of 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:56.600 white pine from Michigan. According to the hotel's February fourteenth, 0:02:56.720 --> 0:03:01.160 nineteen eighty nine National Register of Historic Places form, this 0:03:01.280 --> 0:03:04.720 kind of pine is known as the wood eternal because 0:03:04.760 --> 0:03:08.480 it's so sturdy. A six hundred and sixty foot long 0:03:08.560 --> 0:03:13.200 porch runs the hotel's exterior, dotted with numerous two story 0:03:13.280 --> 0:03:17.040 tall white columns. They're capped with a green roof. A 0:03:17.120 --> 0:03:19.840 cupola rises from the center of the building, and it 0:03:19.919 --> 0:03:25.119 holds an American flag. The outside is deceiving. The classic 0:03:25.200 --> 0:03:30.800 white exterior houses a colorful and boldly patterned interior. Red 0:03:30.960 --> 0:03:35.360 armchairs rest on a green checkered carpet that features alternating 0:03:35.480 --> 0:03:39.839 ruby circles and lime green squares. The dining room can 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:44.320 hold eight hundred people, meaning mckinaw's entire population could eat 0:03:44.400 --> 0:03:47.560 there and still have open seats. And in keeping with 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:51.480 the hotel's tendency toward bright colors, it has bold green 0:03:51.600 --> 0:03:55.840 and white striped chairs. The ceiling is a slightly tamer 0:03:55.880 --> 0:03:58.640 shade of mint green, and the three hundred and ninety 0:03:58.680 --> 0:04:03.000 seven guest rooms feature pink, blue and green wallpaper in 0:04:03.120 --> 0:04:08.000 floral prints or stripes, and equally garish bedding. The bold 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:11.920 hues are everywhere because one former owner banned the use 0:04:11.960 --> 0:04:15.320 of beige during a renovation, so you can't escape bright 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:18.760 shades and patterns in the thirteen restaurants and bars, or 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:22.600 the pool, the golf course, tennis courts, or meditation gardens. 0:04:23.279 --> 0:04:26.520 A reporter once tried to put the hotel's unique design 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:30.599 elements into words in her article with the Wall Street Journals. 0:04:30.600 --> 0:04:34.480 She wrote, imagine if the Mad Hatter had trained as 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:38.839 an interior designer. That's what the Grand Hotel looks like today. 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:41.479 But if you were to travel back in time to 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:45.239 the eighteenth century, this area would have had a very 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:50.800 different appearance. According to the island's official blog, the indigenous 0:04:50.880 --> 0:04:55.680 Anishinovic people saw Mackinaw as a sacred refuge, and it 0:04:55.800 --> 0:04:59.040 was also where they buried their dead. The name Mackinaw 0:04:59.120 --> 0:05:02.560 comes from a word their people used. It translates into 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:06.880 English as place of the great Turtle. In the sixteen hundreds, 0:05:06.880 --> 0:05:10.840 the first Europeans set foot on Mackinaw Island, and afterward 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:14.760 it developed but slowly. The British military built a fort 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:17.760 there in seventeen eighty. Then it spent some time as 0:05:17.760 --> 0:05:21.200 a fur trading out post, but by the post Civil 0:05:21.240 --> 0:05:26.240 War era the island was a tourist destination. Its pristine 0:05:26.320 --> 0:05:29.080 wilderness was a big draw for those who wanted to 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:32.560 escape the bustle of city living. Its northern climate was 0:05:32.600 --> 0:05:36.240 also appealing to people fleeing the summer heat. In an 0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:40.760 effort to preserve Mckinaw's natural beauty and avoid congestion, the 0:05:40.880 --> 0:05:44.640 island banned all cars in eighteen ninety eight. The band 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:47.919 still stands today, so if you're thinking of visiting, be 0:05:48.040 --> 0:05:52.640 prepared to walk, bike, or hire a horse drawn taxi. However, 0:05:53.000 --> 0:05:57.279 before the band passed, another major development came about with 0:05:57.400 --> 0:06:00.640 the influx of tourists. It was only natural for the 0:06:00.680 --> 0:06:05.159 Central Railroad, the Indiana Railroad, and the Cleveland Steamship Navigation 0:06:05.320 --> 0:06:09.120 Company to find ways to keep drawing travelers to Mackinaw. 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:13.240 After all, those visitors also brought business to their companies, 0:06:13.680 --> 0:06:17.360 so they cooperated to finance a hotel on the island. 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:23.360 Construction crews broke ground in the spring of eighteen eighty seven. Reportedly, 0:06:23.800 --> 0:06:27.080 over the course of the three month long construction period, 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:32.280 the workers kept uncovering grave after grave, those of both 0:06:32.360 --> 0:06:37.360 humans and animals. Sophie Boudreau wrote on Only in Your 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:40.760 State website that the teams found too many bones for 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:43.600 the crews to keep track of. The workers were so 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:46.880 overwhelmed that at one point they stopped trying to keep 0:06:46.920 --> 0:06:50.880 track of all the graves they'd uncovered. Instead, they ignored 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:54.320 the tombs, choosing to literally build the hotel on top 0:06:54.360 --> 0:06:57.480 of them. Now I have not been able to verify 0:06:57.520 --> 0:07:00.440 that claim. Some people believe that the story about the 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:02.920 burial plot under the hotel is little more than an 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:06.520 urban legend, but it is worth mentioning that the indigenous 0:07:06.560 --> 0:07:09.679 people did in fact bury their dead on the island 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:13.720 for centuries, and it's not uncommon for construction projects on 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:19.119 mckinaw to uncover ancient graves even to this day. Whether 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:21.960 the hotel was literally built on the bones of the 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:25.480 deceased or not, it quickly gained a reputation as a 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:30.840 premier vacation destination. Originally it was called Planck's Grand Hotel, 0:07:31.120 --> 0:07:33.600 but with time the structure came to be known simply 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:37.640 as the Grand Hotel. Guests came when they were looking 0:07:37.680 --> 0:07:40.240 for a quiet place to relax, a place where they 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:43.120 could sit on the porch, enjoying a cool breeze off 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:45.960 the straits of Mackinaw and maybe take in a lecture. 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:49.560 Mark Twain spoke there in the late eighteen hundreds, as 0:07:49.560 --> 0:07:52.840 did one of Thomas Edison's employees. He was there to 0:07:52.880 --> 0:07:57.800 show off Edison's latest invention, the phonograph. Over the years, 0:07:57.960 --> 0:08:01.200 the Grand Hotel has boasted many rich and famous guests, 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:06.040 including multiple US presidents and Madonna. It has been designated 0:08:06.120 --> 0:08:10.000 as a National Historic Landmark since nineteen eighty nine, which 0:08:10.080 --> 0:08:13.600 was two years after its hundredth birthday. But in the 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:19.080 midst of all these celebrations and milestones, darkness lurked. See 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:22.920 A woman named Lilian Salter was working as a chambermaid 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:26.160 at the Grand Hotel in July of eighteen ninety three. 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:28.680 She'd only been at the job for a few weeks 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:32.120 and was living in the employee housing on site. On 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:35.000 the night of the thirteenth, she decided to attend a 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:38.920 dance elsewhere on the island. There she met a man, 0:08:39.120 --> 0:08:42.800 a soldier named Will Badgeley. He offered to walk her home, 0:08:42.960 --> 0:08:48.120 and Lilian accepted his chivalry, perhaps thinking he'd keep her safe. Sadly, 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:50.720 there was no one to keep her safe from Will, 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:53.720 who sexually assaulted her on the way to the hotel. 0:08:54.640 --> 0:08:58.880 Lilian put up a vicious fight, leaving Will with visible 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:02.079 injuries on his face, but it wasn't enough to stop 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:05.960 the attack. She survived the rape, but was too distraught 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:09.400 and ashamed to tell anyone what had happened to her. Afterward, 0:09:10.080 --> 0:09:12.480 she spent a few days trying to live her life 0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:16.320 like normal, but by July seventeenth, her trauma was becoming 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:20.080 too great to bear. Sadly, she took her own life. 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:24.040 We only know about the sexual assault and the toll 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:27.240 it took on her mental health because Lilian left behind 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:31.120 two suicide notes. One was addressed to her aunt and 0:09:31.160 --> 0:09:34.800 the other was an open letter. In both of the messages, 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:38.360 she explained what had happened to her and named her attacker. 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:41.520 She also asked to be buried with the photo of 0:09:41.559 --> 0:09:44.600 her fiance which she'd been holding in her hands at 0:09:44.640 --> 0:09:46.959 the time of her death. On the strength of the 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:51.240 testimony in her note, the police arrested and charged William. 0:09:51.559 --> 0:09:54.400 He denied having anything to do with Lilian, but his 0:09:54.480 --> 0:09:57.560 guilt was clear from the scratches and bruises on his face. 0:09:58.200 --> 0:10:03.040 The public was so outraged that several people threatened William's life. 0:10:03.520 --> 0:10:06.720 It was impossible for him to stand trial on Mackinaw Island, 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:10.160 so the case was transferred to the mainland. There, he 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:13.720 was found guilty and sentenced to eight years of hard labor. 0:10:14.400 --> 0:10:17.880 As for Lilian, it's said that her spirit still walks 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:21.840 the grounds of the Grand Hotel. According to witnesses, she 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:25.560 strolls up and down the beach outside, a reminder of 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:30.480 the violence that stains the hotel's history. She's just one 0:10:30.559 --> 0:10:33.120 of many ghosts that are said to haunt this area. 0:10:33.600 --> 0:10:36.840 The hotel is only open for about half of the year, 0:10:36.920 --> 0:10:40.640 from May to late October, but during those months guests 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:44.760 often hear disembodied footsteps and voices. Doors are known to 0:10:44.800 --> 0:10:48.120 open and close on their own, and the dining room 0:10:48.240 --> 0:10:50.880 and the hallways outside the guest rooms are both good 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:54.040 locations to stab a picture if you're looking to catch 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:57.760 some sort of an anomaly on film. A spectral man 0:10:57.880 --> 0:11:00.360 in a top hat is often spotted in the bar 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:04.560 near the piano. Eyewitnesses have seen him smoking a cigar, 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:08.719 and occasionally guests can smell the tobacco smoke even when 0:11:08.760 --> 0:11:12.440 he isn't visible. In the hallways and guest rooms, a 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:16.560 Victorian era woman dressed all in white is seen pacing about, 0:11:16.840 --> 0:11:20.720 and occasionally she tries to climb into bed with unsuspecting 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:24.000 employees who live in the staff quarters. There have also 0:11:24.080 --> 0:11:27.679 been reports of a pair of ghostly soldiers on the grounds. 0:11:28.360 --> 0:11:31.920 As unnerving as all of that is, the most frightening 0:11:32.040 --> 0:11:34.880 accounts feature a spirit that's said to dwell in the 0:11:34.920 --> 0:11:40.520 Grand Hotels theater. It's also according to rumor evil. This 0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:43.760 figure looks like a dark figure or cloud, and sometimes 0:11:43.800 --> 0:11:46.400 it has two red eyes. Those who have seen the 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:50.760 entity insist that it has no arms, legs, or face. However, 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:54.640 it is vaguely human in size and silhouette. According to 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:58.480 Sophie Boudreaux, on one occasion, a group of maintenance workers 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:01.160 had to do a project in the theater. They were 0:12:01.240 --> 0:12:03.320 part of the way through their task when one of 0:12:03.360 --> 0:12:06.960 them sensed something eerie. He glanced up from what he 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:10.880 was doing to see the shadowy entity standing right beside him, 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:14.960 glaring with those glowing red eyes. Before the worker could 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:18.960 run away or scream, the shadow figure rushed forward. He 0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:21.959 hit the man so hard that he was knocked unconscious. 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:24.719 It said that he needed to stay in a hospital 0:12:24.800 --> 0:12:28.400 for two full days before he recovered, and afterward he 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:33.120 refused to ever set foot inside ever again. That said, 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:36.040 many of the spirits there are friendly, or at the 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:39.559 very least they're not violent. One such entity is a 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:43.600 little girl who's been dubbed Rebecca. According to rumors, she 0:12:43.920 --> 0:12:47.040 was once a guest at the hotel until she tragically 0:12:47.040 --> 0:12:49.000 fell through a window and died. 0:12:48.760 --> 0:12:49.320 From the fall. 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:52.800 These days, her ghost is known to pace the hallways 0:12:52.840 --> 0:12:57.200 every night between two am and four am. Another woman 0:12:57.280 --> 0:13:00.400 is often spotted on the porch, dressed head totie and 0:13:00.480 --> 0:13:03.680 black and walking a large white dog. Rumor goes that 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:06.719 she's also a former guest, a woman who checked in 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:10.240 one day in eighteen ninety one. She was clearly wealthy 0:13:10.320 --> 0:13:12.679 based on the footmen and maid she brought with her, 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:15.840 but that's all anyone knew about her for the duration 0:13:16.000 --> 0:13:17.920 of her stay, she stayed in her room with the 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:20.920 door closed. She refused to leave or to interact with 0:13:20.960 --> 0:13:25.120 the other guests, with a few notable exceptions. Her story 0:13:25.240 --> 0:13:28.200 was recorded in Haunts of Mackinaw, ghost Stories, Legends and 0:13:28.280 --> 0:13:32.160 Tragic Tales of Mckinaw Island by Todd Clemens. He wrote 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:34.680 that the woman in Black only ventured from her room 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:38.000 three times a day. Every day, she walked her white 0:13:38.080 --> 0:13:42.000 Russian bloodhound at eight a m. Noon and seven pm. 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:45.040 And finally, at the end of her visit, she checked 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:49.080 out and never returned. Supposedly, on that day, a large 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:52.559 blackbird also sat on a perch just outside her window, 0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:56.679 like some kind of omen. Now I need to acknowledge 0:13:56.679 --> 0:13:59.360 that I wasn't able to verify many of those details. 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:02.560 It's in possible to say if a reclusive woman in 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:05.520 black did check into the Grand Hotel that year. But 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:08.400 if there is any truth to the story, it fits 0:14:08.440 --> 0:14:11.520 with what we know about the spirit. If anyone tries 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:13.600 to point her out or draw attention to her in 0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:17.120 any way, she'll disappear in an instant, as though she's 0:14:17.320 --> 0:14:20.920 just as shy in death as she was in life. 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:24.080 This woman isn't the only spirit whose history is shrouded 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:27.920 in mystery and unverified conjecture. But the hotel's history is 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:31.840 still worth investigating even if we never uncover the full truth. 0:14:32.440 --> 0:14:36.720 That's why I'm talking to the aforementioned Todd Clements. He's 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:39.840 an expert on all things spooky on Mackinaw Island and 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:42.360 this is his second time on the show that is 0:14:42.400 --> 0:14:57.280 coming up after the break. Okay, everyone, I am now 0:14:57.400 --> 0:15:03.120 joined by my friend Todd Clements. And Todd actually heads 0:15:03.200 --> 0:15:07.480 up Haunts of Mackinaw on Macinaw Island, and he is 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:11.680 an expert in all things Macanaw, not just historically but 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:15.040 ghostly as well, so I figured he was the perfect 0:15:15.080 --> 0:15:18.120 person to talk to the Grand Hotel or talk about 0:15:18.120 --> 0:15:22.320 the Grand Hotel too. So welcome to the program again, Todd. 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:24.800 Thank you again for having me. Glad to be back. 0:15:25.200 --> 0:15:27.600 Yeah, it was I think it was a few years ago. 0:15:27.840 --> 0:15:29.680 I had to have been twenty twenty one. I think 0:15:30.080 --> 0:15:34.240 maybe twenty two. You were my first like live yeah, 0:15:34.280 --> 0:15:36.840 my first live Haunted road episode. 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:38.000 We did it at Michigan per. 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:41.280 Con and that one we talked about the island as 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:45.640 a whole as opposed to kind of singling out specific 0:15:45.720 --> 0:15:49.760 locations and I really so I featured the Grand Hotel 0:15:50.040 --> 0:15:51.280 in my cookbook. 0:15:51.720 --> 0:15:53.160 We featured their recipe for. 0:15:53.160 --> 0:15:57.120 Their like they're known for their pecan balls their dessert there, 0:15:57.640 --> 0:15:59.680 so we featured that recipe and I really got to 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:02.200 dig into the history and the hauntings there and I 0:16:02.240 --> 0:16:04.640 was like, this is a whole episode of Haunted Roads. 0:16:04.680 --> 0:16:07.920 So thank you for that. I think really the first 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:11.680 time I realized, well, you can just look at that 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:13.520 hotel and you're like, there's got to be ghosts there. 0:16:13.560 --> 0:16:17.000 But I remember Adam and I went there for a 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:19.800 drink years ago while we were there for a Strained 0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:23.520 Escapes and we asked one of the seasonal employees. We 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:28.640 were like, you know, is this place haunted? And you know, 0:16:28.840 --> 0:16:32.960 she basically was like, I don't like to talk about it, 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:36.320 but you don't know what we deal with in employee housing, 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:39.400 like that area in particular was very spooky. So how 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:42.080 do you think the Grand handles their hauntings in general? 0:16:42.480 --> 0:16:46.000 Well, generally they don't want to talk about it. It's 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:48.880 a policy at the hotel. Things are changing, but their 0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:53.400 general policy was we're not haunted. Plus, speaking with someone 0:16:53.400 --> 0:16:56.520 who is from Jamaica, a lot of the islanders, or 0:16:56.520 --> 0:16:59.360 a lot of the workers on the island from Jamaica 0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:02.240 are very s perstitious. But anything that has to do 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:06.680 with ghosts see occult very voodoo minded. They don't. They're 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:10.439 always worried about it. And between those two things is 0:17:10.480 --> 0:17:13.040 probably why she's I'm not talking about this. 0:17:13.520 --> 0:17:16.840 Yeah, she was seasonal and she's It's funny. I've seen 0:17:16.880 --> 0:17:19.359 her now a few times since, Like she always works 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:22.000 in that that great little bar that's outside of like 0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:24.760 the main dining room area. So over the summer for 0:17:24.800 --> 0:17:27.240 the first time ever, like, I've always dreamed of staying 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:30.000 at the Grand Hotel, and so this year, kind of 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:31.679 knowing that was gonna be the last year of Michigan 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:35.600 per con I I think I booked, Like in the fall, 0:17:35.680 --> 0:17:38.960 I booked two nights at the Grand Hotel for my 0:17:39.080 --> 0:17:41.200 daughter and I just to experience it because I wasn't 0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:42.920 sure i'd be back in that area. It turns out 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:47.240 I am going back, but I was really excited to 0:17:47.440 --> 0:17:51.119 actually stay there, and I did some investigating in my 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:54.520 room and I live streamed some of it actually with 0:17:54.600 --> 0:17:56.960 the Paranormal Circle folks who are in the Panormal Circle, 0:17:57.000 --> 0:18:00.119 and it was really interesting. We did get some I'm 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:04.320 like gradyvps. She and I investigated later at night and 0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:06.680 we got a lot of interaction with some of our equipment. 0:18:07.000 --> 0:18:09.000 Who do you think is haunting that hotel? 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:09.560 Overall? 0:18:09.880 --> 0:18:14.400 It's not one, pretty sure that we know, there's several. 0:18:14.560 --> 0:18:18.840 We also know there's some residual haunts at the hotel. 0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:22.400 We don't know exactly which when it happened, but there's 0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:26.480 one of those. But I would say the most common 0:18:26.840 --> 0:18:31.639 that I hear of would be strange things in rooms, obviously, 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:34.840 But there is someone we called and we don't know 0:18:34.880 --> 0:18:38.359 their actual name, the bear man whoa We have a 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:42.560 girl named Rebecca, and there's a security guard or a 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:47.120 maintenance worker that people have instances with. And then there's 0:18:47.240 --> 0:18:49.840 the woman in black. Those are the ones that we 0:18:50.359 --> 0:18:54.320 know about. There's possibly more than that. And then there's 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:59.920 a residual party that just keeps on going on into eternity. 0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:02.960 That is very Shining esque. Like that sounds very much 0:19:03.040 --> 0:19:03.520 like the show. 0:19:03.520 --> 0:19:06.320 Oh yeah, it's very much. Yeah, that's what I thought 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:08.600 when I first heard it. I was like, they pull 0:19:08.640 --> 0:19:10.520 on my leg and then I've heard the story of 0:19:10.560 --> 0:19:13.879 the party. It's it's all sound. You don't see anything. 0:19:13.960 --> 0:19:15.880 You just hear it. You can almost feel it through 0:19:15.920 --> 0:19:18.360 the floorboards. But it happens in the middle of the night. 0:19:18.520 --> 0:19:20.320 If you want me, I can share it. I'll share 0:19:20.359 --> 0:19:20.960 the story of the right. 0:19:21.040 --> 0:19:22.639 Yeah, please, I want to hear about that. 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:27.120 So if you're staying in the rooms that are above 0:19:27.160 --> 0:19:30.800 the main dining room, right above the main dining room, 0:19:31.240 --> 0:19:34.400 and sometime in the middle of the night, most people 0:19:34.480 --> 0:19:36.359 say it wakes them up, and it's if they're with 0:19:36.440 --> 0:19:38.720 someone else, they boat. They all hear it. Everybody in 0:19:38.760 --> 0:19:42.160 the room will hear it. And you'll hear like big 0:19:42.240 --> 0:19:47.520 band music, snare, drums and horns and all these noises, 0:19:47.560 --> 0:19:50.120 and you hear this chatter of people talking. You hear 0:19:50.200 --> 0:19:55.960 glasses and plates clinking together, and just a party. It's 0:19:56.160 --> 0:20:01.240 a loud band, people talking, drinking, having party. This is 0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:03.399 like three four o'clock in the morning or something like 0:20:03.440 --> 0:20:06.440 that in the dining room right below their room. And 0:20:06.800 --> 0:20:09.840 some of them have gone down obviously throw their slippers 0:20:09.880 --> 0:20:12.400 on and or call down to the front desk, what's 0:20:12.440 --> 0:20:14.560 going on. Why is there so much noise coming from 0:20:14.560 --> 0:20:17.480 the dining room. It's empty. The ones who have gone 0:20:17.520 --> 0:20:21.680 down there to see what's going on. Say, the velvet 0:20:21.720 --> 0:20:24.600 rope is up, the room is completely and it is 0:20:24.600 --> 0:20:25.400 a big dining room. 0:20:25.440 --> 0:20:27.359 You've been there, It's huge. Yeah, it's massive. 0:20:27.480 --> 0:20:30.399 It's huge. The lights are out, you can't see anything. 0:20:30.600 --> 0:20:35.560 It's at least two hundred yards two hundred yards long 0:20:36.040 --> 0:20:40.520 at least. It's enormous, and it's completely black. There's nothing 0:20:40.560 --> 0:20:42.800 going on. And then they'll go back up to the room. 0:20:42.800 --> 0:20:45.000 They can still hear it, and then all of a sudden, 0:20:45.080 --> 0:20:49.040 it just fades and disappears. So they hear this party 0:20:49.080 --> 0:20:52.080 going on. And I've heard this story from so many 0:20:52.119 --> 0:20:54.639 guests that I'm just like, I don't know how to 0:20:54.680 --> 0:20:57.880 explain other than that it's a residual haunt of something 0:20:58.080 --> 0:20:59.800 that got trapped in time. 0:21:00.240 --> 0:21:02.919 I'm gonna I'm gonna look for it because so I 0:21:02.960 --> 0:21:06.000 had so much fun last year, and my daughter loved 0:21:06.040 --> 0:21:09.080 it so much. They've redone their pool just unrelated to 0:21:09.160 --> 0:21:11.560 anything we're talking about right now, but it is one 0:21:11.560 --> 0:21:14.480 of the best hotel pools I've ever been to. It's 0:21:14.520 --> 0:21:18.760 so beautiful, and so she it has a water side. 0:21:18.800 --> 0:21:21.600 She dreams of that pool, and so she already asked me, 0:21:21.920 --> 0:21:24.880 because we're going back. We have a conference uh in 0:21:24.960 --> 0:21:28.200 Sue Saint Marie this summer? Was it Great Lakes Ghosts. 0:21:28.280 --> 0:21:29.480 What's it called that we're doing? 0:21:29.640 --> 0:21:30.640 I know you're. 0:21:31.800 --> 0:21:35.440 I'm doing it too. I know. Oh it's something presented 0:21:35.480 --> 0:21:36.399 by a Michigan paricon. 0:21:36.520 --> 0:21:40.760 Yeah, it's presented con something. I will look it up 0:21:40.920 --> 0:21:43.080 at some point before. But it's like the Great Lakes, Oh, 0:21:43.080 --> 0:21:47.080 Great Lakes Ghostly Weekend. So anyways, it's in August for 0:21:47.160 --> 0:21:49.200 anyone who wants to join us. We're going to be 0:21:49.240 --> 0:21:51.760 in Sue Saint Marie and we're investigating the Valley camp, 0:21:51.800 --> 0:21:54.320 which we've done an episode on and things. So it's 0:21:54.320 --> 0:21:56.920 gonna be so much fun and it's amazing and it's 0:21:57.040 --> 0:21:58.600 very close to Macana, so you can visit. 0:21:59.000 --> 0:22:00.840 That being said, let me come back to this. 0:22:01.440 --> 0:22:04.560 I booked us again for this summer, so Charlotte and 0:22:04.640 --> 0:22:08.840 I can go again. And I am going to investigate this. 0:22:09.000 --> 0:22:12.720 I need to find out of this, like ghostly party happens. 0:22:12.760 --> 0:22:14.679 I'm going to try to request a room above the 0:22:14.720 --> 0:22:15.280 dining room. 0:22:15.960 --> 0:22:18.680 Sometimes it's just luck of the draw you get those rooms. 0:22:19.000 --> 0:22:20.880 Yeah, So I'm going to see what I can do. 0:22:21.000 --> 0:22:23.679 But like I am intent on investigating it. 0:22:23.720 --> 0:22:25.800 I have to kind of throw back. 0:22:25.960 --> 0:22:28.000 So the first time I went to Macana Island, it 0:22:28.080 --> 0:22:31.280 was January. Do not recommend of twenty eleven. 0:22:31.440 --> 0:22:35.080 Yeah, I remember that. It was twenty seven degrees below 0:22:35.200 --> 0:22:35.880 zero one night. 0:22:35.960 --> 0:22:39.280 Oh my god, it was so cold, and like I 0:22:39.359 --> 0:22:42.640 just remember, I actually ended up having the best time 0:22:42.720 --> 0:22:44.880 it was. You know, you were there for a lot 0:22:44.880 --> 0:22:47.199 of it. Steve and Dave and Adam and I. We 0:22:47.240 --> 0:22:49.879 stayed on the island the whole time for like two weeks, 0:22:50.680 --> 0:22:53.480 and it got to this point where like every night 0:22:53.560 --> 0:22:55.680 we would we would go to the one of two 0:22:55.760 --> 0:22:58.160 restaurants that were still open. We knew all the locals 0:22:58.200 --> 0:22:59.960 by the end of it. Every night we'd sit in 0:23:00.080 --> 0:23:02.000 the lobby of the hotel we were staying at. We 0:23:02.040 --> 0:23:05.280 would drink wine and play Liverpool Rummy until like two am. 0:23:05.440 --> 0:23:07.159 So it ended up being a very good memory. But 0:23:07.200 --> 0:23:09.160