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Speaker 1: Welcome to Haunted Road, a production of iHeartRadio and Grimm

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Speaker 1: and Mild from Aaron Minky.

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Speaker 2: Listener, discretion is advised.

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Speaker 3: A few years back, I was sitting in what may

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Speaker 3: have been the most beautiful hotel I had ever laid

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Speaker 3: eyes on. To be honest, I wasn't a guest, but

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Speaker 3: I walked in like I was one, trying not to

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Speaker 3: catch anyone's attention. I sidled up to the first bar

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Speaker 3: I saw, and sat and ordered a glass of wine

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Speaker 3: so I could fully absorb my surroundings. The hotel was

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Speaker 3: positively lush with color, and clearly there was a dress code,

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Speaker 3: because all the women were in dresses and the men

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Speaker 3: in jackets. Thankfully, i'd gotten the memo beforehand, but I'd

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Speaker 3: also gotten the memo that this hotel was haunted. Built

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Speaker 3: in the late eighteen hundreds, ghost stories have been told

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Speaker 3: about it for decades. Naturally, my curiosity was piqued. Point blank,

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Speaker 3: asked the bartender, is this hotel haunted? She looked at me,

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Speaker 3: quite literally, like she had seen a ghost. She looked

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Speaker 3: back and forth as if to see if anyone was

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Speaker 3: within earshot, and she leaned in close to me and

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Speaker 3: whispered I'm not supposed to talk about it, but yes,

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Speaker 3: I won't even walk back to the employee housing alone again.

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Speaker 3: She looked around and quickly said, that's all I can say.

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Speaker 3: So of course I had to know more. Why don't

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Speaker 3: we learn together? Come with me Haunted roadies as we

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Speaker 3: journey to the Grand Hotel on mckinaw Island. I'm Amy Bruney,

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Speaker 3: and this is Haunted Road. Mckinaw Island is a small

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Speaker 3: isle in Michigan's Lake Huron. It spans just under four

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Speaker 3: square miles. You can reach it a few ways via

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Speaker 3: a fifteen minute ferry ride or by charter plane, but

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Speaker 3: there are no bridges or roads that would let you

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Speaker 3: drive or walk there. The only other option is to

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Speaker 3: wait until the lake freeze is solid enough that you

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Speaker 3: can cross it by snowmobile. Sounds terrifying. If you venture

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Speaker 3: out to Mackinaw, you'll find largely untouched wilderness, as over

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Speaker 3: eighty percent of the land is a state park. While

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Speaker 3: you can shop for homemade fudge or other gifts, for

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Speaker 3: the most part, businesses and homes are hard to come by.

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Speaker 3: Only about five hundred people live on the island full time,

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Speaker 3: but on top of one grassy treelined one hundred foot

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Speaker 3: tall bluff, an expansive, five story hotel stands. It's a

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Speaker 3: grand white building that combines Queen Anne and colonial revival elements.

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Speaker 3: This building, called the Grand Hotel, is one of the

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Speaker 3: last remaining wood frame hotels in the United States, and

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Speaker 3: it's no surprise that it's still standing. It's made of

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Speaker 3: white pine from Michigan. According to the hotel's February fourteenth,

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Speaker 3: nineteen eighty nine National Register of Historic Places form, this

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Speaker 3: kind of pine is known as the wood eternal because

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Speaker 3: it's so sturdy. A six hundred and sixty foot long

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Speaker 3: porch runs the hotel's exterior, dotted with numerous two story

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Speaker 3: tall white columns. They're capped with a green roof. A

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Speaker 3: cupola rises from the center of the building, and it

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Speaker 3: holds an American flag. The outside is deceiving. The classic

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Speaker 3: white exterior houses a colorful and boldly patterned interior. Red

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Speaker 3: armchairs rest on a green checkered carpet that features alternating

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Speaker 3: ruby circles and lime green squares. The dining room can

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Speaker 3: hold eight hundred people, meaning mckinaw's entire population could eat

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Speaker 3: there and still have open seats. And in keeping with

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Speaker 3: the hotel's tendency toward bright colors, it has bold green

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Speaker 3: and white striped chairs. The ceiling is a slightly tamer

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Speaker 3: shade of mint green, and the three hundred and ninety

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Speaker 3: seven guest rooms feature pink, blue and green wallpaper in

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Speaker 3: floral prints or stripes, and equally garish bedding. The bold

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Speaker 3: of beige during a renovation, so you can't escape bright

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Speaker 3: shades and patterns in the thirteen restaurants and bars, or

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Speaker 3: the pool, the golf course, tennis courts, or meditation gardens.

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Speaker 3: A reporter once tried to put the hotel's unique design

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Speaker 3: She wrote, imagine if the Mad Hatter had trained as

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Speaker 3: an interior designer. That's what the Grand Hotel looks like today.

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Speaker 3: But if you were to travel back in time to

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Speaker 3: the eighteenth century, this area would have had a very

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Speaker 3: different appearance. According to the island's official blog, the indigenous

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Speaker 3: Anishinovic people saw Mackinaw as a sacred refuge, and it

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Speaker 3: was also where they buried their dead. The name Mackinaw

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Speaker 3: English as place of the great Turtle. In the sixteen hundreds,

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Speaker 3: the first Europeans set foot on Mackinaw Island, and afterward

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Speaker 3: it developed but slowly. The British military built a fort

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Speaker 3: War era the island was a tourist destination. Its pristine

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Speaker 3: Central Railroad, the Indiana Railroad, and the Cleveland Steamship Navigation

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Speaker 3: Company to find ways to keep drawing travelers to Mackinaw.

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Speaker 3: After all, those visitors also brought business to their companies,

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Speaker 3: Construction crews broke ground in the spring of eighteen eighty seven. Reportedly,

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Speaker 3: humans and animals. Sophie Boudreau wrote on Only in Your

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Speaker 3: mckinaw to uncover ancient graves even to this day. Whether

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Speaker 3: the hotel was literally built on the bones of the

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Speaker 3: deceased or not, it quickly gained a reputation as a

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Speaker 3: but with time the structure came to be known simply

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Speaker 3: Mark Twain spoke there in the late eighteen hundreds, as

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Speaker 3: did one of Thomas Edison's employees. He was there to

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Speaker 3: A woman named Lilian Salter was working as a chambermaid

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Speaker 3: Lilian put up a vicious fight, leaving Will with visible

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Speaker 3: guilt was clear from the scratches and bruises on his face.

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Speaker 3: The public was so outraged that several people threatened William's life.

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Speaker 3: As for Lilian, it's said that her spirit still walks

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Speaker 3: the grounds of the Grand Hotel. According to witnesses, she

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Speaker 3: the violence that stains the hotel's history. She's just one

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Speaker 3: The hotel is only open for about half of the year,

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Speaker 3: from May to late October, but during those months guests

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Speaker 3: As unnerving as all of that is, the most frightening

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Speaker 3: These days, her ghost is known to pace the hallways

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Speaker 2: Thank you again for having me. Glad to be back.

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Speaker 2: Well, generally they don't want to talk about it. It's

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Speaker 3: Who do you think is haunting that hotel?

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Speaker 1: Overall?

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Speaker 2: It's not one, pretty sure that we know, there's several.

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Speaker 3: That is very Shining esque. Like that sounds very much

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's very much. Yeah, that's what I thought

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Speaker 1: Yeah, please, I want to hear about that.

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Speaker 2: So if you're staying in the rooms that are above

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Speaker 1: You've been there, It's huge. Yeah, it's massive.

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Speaker 2: It's at least two hundred yards two hundred yards long

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Speaker 3: What's it called that we're doing?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing it too. I know. Oh it's something presented

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's presented con something. I will look it up

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Speaker 1: That being said, let me come back to this.

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Speaker 3: I booked us again for this summer, so Charlotte and

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Speaker 3: I need to find out of this, like ghostly party happens.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes it's just luck of the draw you get those rooms.

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Speaker 3: So the first time I went to Macana Island, it

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Speaker 3: Was like one in the morning and I was liked,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they were at the bar and then I had

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Speaker 1: No, it would have.

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Speaker 2: It feels like it's staring at you.

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Speaker 3: So want I always wonder, like, what do you think

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00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 3: is going on in there in the middle of winter

434
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 3: when it's all shut down quiet.

435
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 2: There's some people there, but not many, and they're not

436
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:34,200
Speaker 2: there all the time.

437
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, have they had any reports that come out of

438
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 3: there during that time period, because I feel like there

439
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 3: would be.

440
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 2: I've talked to a few people who've worked like winter

441
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 2: maintenance or security on the ground and they said they, yes,

442
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 2: there's no question. You always feel like there's something around you.

443
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 2: You hear noises that you shouldn't hear. You think you

444
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,679
Speaker 2: see somebody duck around a corner and you know you

445
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 2: saw somebody, but you go run to see who it is.

446
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 2: There's nobody there. There's nobody in the hallway. There's no

447
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,119
Speaker 2: way they could get into anything where they could just

448
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 2: disappear like that. And they're just like, yeah, it's got things.

449
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 2: But I mean, someone will say, you know, I don't

450
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:17,119
Speaker 2: believe in all that, but there's that one time, and

451
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 2: I'm just like, well, then you believe in it because

452
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 2: you have that one time. But some of the most

453
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 2: common things they say is they hear footsteps. The key

454
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,879
Speaker 2: ring that's a common one, is a ring of keys,

455
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 2: and then they also just see things that they'll think

456
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 2: they saw something at the end of a hallway, and

457
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 2: the hallways there are very very long. It's very much

458
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 2: like the movie The Shining, but it's not the same hotel.

459
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 2: It's just the hallways go on forever, and they think

460
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 2: they see somebody standing at the end of the hallway,

461
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 2: and then they duck into another hallway and they run

462
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 2: down there to see who's in the hotel. There's nobody there.

463
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 2: So there's some activity definitely year round going on in.

464
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 3: The hotel, I would feel, I mean, and it does

465
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 3: have that kind of shining by people always think, well,

466
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 3: any hotel like that, people think that's where The Shining

467
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 3: was filmed, and I always have to be like, The

468
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 3: Shining was filmed in a sound stage. It was not

469
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 3: filmed in an actual hotel. It was not filmed at

470
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 3: the Stage.

471
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 2: Hotel in Washington, Oregon. Yeah, and which is still there.

472
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 3: It is still there. I think it's called the Overlook,

473
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,120
Speaker 3: but I might be or Timberline.

474
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 2: I can't remember, but I think it's Timberline.

475
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:30,199
Speaker 1: Timberline Overlook is.

476
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Shining, which is the Stanley. Yeah, but but

477
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 3: it wasn't the Stanley Exceptely mini series was. So we're

478
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:40,679
Speaker 3: just clearing this all up here of folks.

479
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, making sure right now, it wasn't. It wasn't Grand Hotel,

480
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 2: and it wasn't Mission Point Resort on mac An Island,

481
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 2: which I've heard a million times. I'm like, they don't

482
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 2: even look the same.

483
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 1: What do you even know?

484
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 3: They say them out Washington too, and I have to

485
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 3: correct people. My favorite is when people argue with me

486
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 3: on it and I'm like, I am sorry, but if

487
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 3: anyone knows, it's me, so okay. But that being said,

488
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,880
Speaker 3: so I met with the hotel this last summer when

489
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 3: I was there, and they told me that they are

490
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 3: doing a lot of remodeling this season for this summer.

491
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, they have been for the past two three years.

492
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 2: They have new owners.

493
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:23,360
Speaker 3: Well, it sounds like they're gonna redecorate between now and opening,

494
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 3: and they're gonna because, like right now it is, it

495
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:31,199
Speaker 3: has this very iconic decor inside that I believe happened

496
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 3: in like the seventies. It's bright green, stated Yeah, it's

497
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 3: bright green, it's bright red.

498
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 1: It's very like flots of floral. I love it.

499
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 3: I think it is so it makes for really just

500
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,360
Speaker 3: striking photos and whatnot.

501
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 1: But it sounds like they're.

502
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 3: Going to try to keep some of that like kind of,

503
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 3: like I said, iconic decor style, but they're going to

504
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 3: change it up or maybe even like modernize it a

505
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 3: little bit.

506
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 2: What I've heard is that the main areas, like common

507
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 2: the traffic areas where the guests move in and out

508
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 2: and about, they're going to kind of spruce that up.

509
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 2: I heard they're keeping some of the suites they're not touching,

510
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 2: but some of the rooms are going to be converted

511
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 2: to a little more modern. Someone are still going to

512
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:21,120
Speaker 2: stay with that old world look to them, so they're

513
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 2: just to think they're just gonna kind of pepper it

514
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 2: in with new and old.

515
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 1: Right.

516
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,679
Speaker 3: I'm just wondering what do you think that's going to

517
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 3: do to the haunting there? Do you think that's going

518
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 3: to affect things when guests arrive this summer? Do you

519
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:37,360
Speaker 3: think it's going to be more more active than normal?

520
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 2: I yes and no. Yes that whenever something changes, activity

521
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 2: always tends to go up. Not so sure because it's

522
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 2: not their home. I don't think anybody would call it.

523
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 2: I always find that if it's a house that's hein remodeled,

524
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 2: you get more activity than if it's like a general

525
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 2: public location, just because it's not like, you're changing my home.

526
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 2: What are you doing where in the general public location,

527
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 2: they're more like, oh, well that's different, but this isn't

528
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 2: my home. It's hard to I guess if that explains it.

529
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 2: I do expect activity to go. Also the fact that

530
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 2: now people are starting to go there and look around

531
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 2: more for everything. Maybe something wants to say, hey, here,

532
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 2: I've been trying to get in touch with you guys

533
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 2: for over one hundred years, but you're finally listening.

534
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 3: It's interesting there because even when it's sold out, like

535
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 3: when we stayed, it was sold out, and so during

536
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 3: the day it's very busy because there are a lot

537
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 3: of people that are on the island that are like,

538
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 3: you know, if they're staying at other hotels or they're

539
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 3: coming to the island for the day and they want

540
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 3: to visit the hotel and you have to pay ten

541
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 3: dollars and you can come in and walk around and whatever.

542
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 3: I always made it my goal to not pay the

543
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 3: ten dollars though, But there's a trick.

544
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: There's a trick.

545
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 2: But five or six pm, Yeah, you don't have to pay,

546
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 2: but you do have to wear a tie and a

547
00:29:58,320 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 2: jacket or a dress.

548
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 1: To get Yeah, there is a dress code. They're very strict.

549
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 2: Around unless you go up to the coop La Bar,

550
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 2: which is the one that's at the top, you can

551
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 2: wear whatever you want. And I'll be honest, on my

552
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 2: way home from work downtown up the hill, that's my

553
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 2: pit stop with some dreads LUs we go up there

554
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 2: dressed in regular clothes, just on our way home because

555
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 2: we love.

556
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: The coople Of bar. The view up there is amazing.

557
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 3: So but what I oh, I'm getting out is that

558
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 3: during so during the day it's busy because everyone's in there,

559
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 3: but then at night, even with the sold out hotel,

560
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 3: it quiets down incredibly because everyone is off the island

561
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 3: by a certain point and everyone's.

562
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: Back at their hotels.

563
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,719
Speaker 3: And so especially once dinner is done, because I think

564
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 3: dinner goes into like no, it's very formal, everything like

565
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 3: you can't like. Unfortunately, my child, she's a big tomboy.

566
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 3: She was so mad she had to wear a dress.

567
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 2: So I'm sure she just had a great time.

568
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: She loved the pool. She did not like the dress code.

569
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 3: What I'm getting at is that it's very easy at

570
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 3: the end of everything, you know, after ten o'clock to

571
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 3: really walk around and absorb the hotel and get into

572
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 3: you know, you can walk into some common areas or

573
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 3: public spaces where I feel like it would be really

574
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 3: easy to sneak in some investigating. So have you heard

575
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 3: of anyone do that of doing that?

576
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 2: Yes, I can't name names, but yes, it's always off

577
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 2: the books. It's always you have a room at the hotel,

578
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 2: or you might have just stopped there with some equipment

579
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 2: that happened to be in a bag and nobody around.

580
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 2: So let's ask a few questions see if anything happens.

581
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 2: They do lock off some of the better areas. Some

582
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 2: of them are some of the areas that I think

583
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 2: there's going to be more activity because it really hasn't

584
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 2: been investigated very much because it's been hands off. There's

585
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 2: a few rooms that, obviously I think there might be

586
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 2: something going on. It's hit or miss if some of

587
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 2: the rooms in the building are unlocked or not if

588
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 2: you beek in there at night. There's the terrace room,

589
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 2: the theater, the dining room, the private rooms. I mean,

590
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 2: there's a lot of little nooks and crannies a place

591
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 2: people have reported things and there is security there that

592
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 2: walks around twenty four hours a day. Seven days a week,

593
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 2: not three hundred and sixty five days a year. But

594
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 2: in the winter they're they're checking doors and doing everything.

595
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 2: I think they do four checks a day.

596
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense.

597
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 3: I mean so talking with you know, kind of touring

598
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 3: the hotel and stuff this summer, I was talking to

599
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 3: some of the employees. They had a lot to say

600
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 3: about the theater ghost wise.

601
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: And then there's also a room.

602
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 3: I feel like it's when you go into like that

603
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 3: kind of main lobby area and you know how you

604
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 3: walk up these those little steps and there's like a

605
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 3: sitting area up there, those big doors, and behind that

606
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 3: there's another events space or like dining.

607
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 2: They don't I think it's changed names, but we call

608
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 2: it the Terrasts Room. I think still the Terrors.

609
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 3: Oh good, So that she was very much like that room.

610
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 3: That is where we get so many reports of things happening.

611
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 3: What happens in there paranormally speaking, like what reports come

612
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 3: out of that room?

613
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: Have you heard of anything?

614
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 2: There's reports? But yeah, I'm a person who like either

615
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 2: I have to hear it a hundred times from one

616
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 2: hundred people who don't know each other, or I have

617
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 2: to see it myself.

618
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: No, that makes sense.

619
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 2: There's reports of figures just moving around in the room

620
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 2: in the corners. There was a report once of someone

621
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 2: who walked in to do like cleaning, and there was

622
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 2: a man dressed in a suit but not of today,

623
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 2: like an old timy suit, sitting in the corner at

624
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 2: a table, feed up on the table and a hat

625
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 2: next to his feet. And as soon as she like

626
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 2: she saw him, and then she was like what and

627
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 2: then it was gone. So you don't know if they're

628
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 2: been working too hard or they actually saw sitting in

629
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 2: the room. Serious, but terrace room, I don't. I hear rumors, yeah,

630
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 2: but then again, I've never had a chance to actually investigate.

631
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,399
Speaker 2: That's one of the rooms that is either under lock

632
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 2: and key or security or it's busy. Yeah.

633
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 3: I thought it was interesting that they volunteered that information

634
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 3: to me, And I was like, hmmm, how many like

635
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 3: the hauntings in the hotel, how many of those do

636
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 3: you think are maybe caused by things that happened before

637
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 3: the hotel was even built, Because there was clearly a

638
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 3: lot of violence on the island before the Grand even existed.

639
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 2: So the Grand was built if they started construction eighteen

640
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 2: eighty six, it was done in eighteen eighty seven. One

641
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 2: of the things I don't know if you'd mentioned, but

642
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 2: when they went to build the foundations for this hotel,

643
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 2: they picked the Great Spot. Obviously you can see it

644
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 2: everywhere and it has a great view. But when they

645
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 2: went to put the foundations in coming across human remains,

646
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 2: and then more and more and more. It was Native

647
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 2: American and they found tons and tons of these these

648
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 2: sets of human remains that nobody knows what happened two

649
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 2: of those remains. Most likely back then the world was

650
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,839
Speaker 2: a different place. People have to remember. History isn't always kind.

651
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 2: They probably threw them in the lake, that's what most

652
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 2: or they put them in a landfill. Nobody knows where

653
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 2: it happened to them. But that's just back then, that

654
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 2: was just kind of what it was. It was glorified

655
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 2: garbage to them at the time. We don't do it

656
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 2: that way anymore. Obviously on the island. Things some times

657
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 2: have changed. But back then that's how they did it,

658
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 2: because you would come across bones everywhere on the island,

659
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 2: But there was a concentration in that one spot where

660
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:49,320
Speaker 2: Grand Hotel sits. Some say they just stopped moving them

661
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 2: and they just built built through them, and there was

662
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 2: still more there when they were building it. So Grant

663
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 2: Hotel in most of mac And Island is a cemetery,

664
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 2: so most people don't think of that, but it was

665
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 2: this magn Island was like secret land to many of

666
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 2: the tribes. It was their garden of Eden. It was

667
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 2: where man began. It was where geechee Manitou, which is

668
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 2: their great one of the great gods, or the great

669
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 2: God for most of the tribes, that's where he said

670
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 2: it's time for man, and he created man.

671
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 3: And I can see why they would think that, like

672
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 3: it is just this, it is this otherworldly place.

673
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 2: Uh.

674
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 3: And there's part of me that feels as though the

675
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 3: reason why hauntings are so prevalent there and and at

676
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 3: the Grand as well, is this because it's kind of

677
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:47,760
Speaker 3: purposely frozen in time. You know, there's no cars, the houses,

678
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 3: you know, they don't really allow building. The houses are

679
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 3: all older. It literally is like stepping back in a

680
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 3: time machine. And it makes me wonder if just like

681
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 3: that's comforting to some of those spirits. And you know,

682
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 3: I've talked a lot about hotels and how I don't

683
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 3: necessarily think everybody just haunts their houses. But I do

684
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 3: think they come back to places that were important to

685
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 3: them in life, you know, And the Grand Hotel is

686
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 3: the site of how many you know, weddings and celebrations

687
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 3: and family vacations and beautiful memories, and so it makes

688
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 3: me wonder if some of these spirits are people just

689
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 3: kind of coming back in the afterlife to like relive

690
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:30,760
Speaker 3: their memories and it hasn't changed, which is like so magical.

691
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:32,399
Speaker 3: Do you think that affects very much?

692
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 2: Same? Yeah, I think it does. I mean, there are

693
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 2: people who are so passionate about that island, and everybody

694
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 2: that is like that, I want to live here, and

695
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 2: then they see the price tag for double.

696
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 1: In January and they'll change their minds for.

697
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 2: A double wide trailer. Yeah, it's not a cheap place.

698
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 2: And then as soon as January hits, they're like, get

699
00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 2: me out of here. It's freaking cold. And I gave

700
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 2: me there's no boats because when the lake freezes, the

701
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 2: boat stop.

702
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:04,359
Speaker 1: Yeah.

703
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 3: I had to fly off the island. I learned that lesson.

704
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,439
Speaker 3: It was quite an experience.

705
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 2: Let me just y, we have better we have better planes. Now.

706
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 2: A new company came in. I'm glad because It was.

707
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 1: The most terrifying twelve minutes of my life.

708
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 2: Yes, when you see duct tape where a bolt should be,

709
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 2: you start to go it's just see.

710
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 3: But I was almost planting back on an island. I

711
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 3: would have gone straight back to that. My ghost would

712
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 3: have gone back to the Grand.

713
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 2: But yeah, there's a lot of attachment to the island.

714
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 2: I'm sure that that island that all the those are cottages,

715
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 2: all the houses on the island, almost none of them

716
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 2: are year round residents. There might be like four on

717
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 2: the entire island. And like the big Ones, there's there's

718
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 2: an area village in the middle of the woods that

719
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 2: most tourists never see, but that area is year round

720
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 2: people and there's usually four hundred and fifty to five

721
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 2: hundred people who stay there winter, families, kids, stay of

722
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 2: a schools. It's just small.

723
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

724
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:09,240
Speaker 3: I met a woman there when we were there filming,

725
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 3: and she told me like she rarely left the island,

726
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 3: so she stayed there all some or all winter rather.

727
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 3: But then one winter she broke her arm, and so

728
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 3: she said, the first time she ever was on an

729
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 3: airplane was she had to be flown off the island

730
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 3: to get her arm treated. So she literally just never left.

731
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 3: She was there all She was like, I rarely ever

732
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 3: left the island, and she said, finally I had to

733
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 3: leave on a little puddle jumper with my broken arm.

734
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 2: The longest I've ever talked to anybody who's been on

735
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 2: island and not left the island is eight years.

736
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness.

737
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:48,280
Speaker 2: I mean they didn't leave the island for eight years.

738
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:53,320
Speaker 2: And I was like, I don't think I could do that. Congratulations,

739
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 2: I don't think I could stand. I mean, it's a

740
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 2: beautiful place. It's not super small, but it's small. I mean,

741
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 2: e I guess, yeah, you work, you do this, you

742
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 2: do that. You got restaurants, you got grocery store, you

743
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 2: got what you needed, and you can have anything else delivered.

744
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 2: So it's possible. But I don't know. I'd go stir

745
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 2: crazy in eight years.

746
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 1: So what do you say?

747
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 3: Is probably the most frequently spotted apparition at the Grand

748
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 3: spotted Rebecca.

749
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 2: It's a girl. I'm sure she's the one who's the

750
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 2: most seen apparition where you can actually see her.

751
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:28,280
Speaker 1: Is she a little girl?

752
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 2: Or yeah, she's I've heard between eight and twelve years old.

753
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 2: So I usually have people ask us say she's around ten.

754
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 2: We know the story of Rebecca. We're pretty sure the

755
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:47,280
Speaker 2: name is Rebecca. But what happened was in the nineteen fifties.

756
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,479
Speaker 2: She was on vacation with her family. She was sitting there,

757
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 2: apparently on the fourth floor. She was leaning against a

758
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 2: window screen in the room and the screen popped out.

759
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 2: She didn't survive the fall, and she wanders around. She

760
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 2: interacts with kids. Very very rarely will an adult have

761
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 2: a story of Rebecca. And usually it's kids that will

762
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 2: tell me the story of the mom will drag the

763
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 2: kid up when I'm doing a book signing or something,

764
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 2: be like, tell him what you saw at the hotel?

765
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 2: Tell him. So they'll tell me, Yeah, it's a lot

766
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 2: of them are in the hallway. Most of them are

767
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 2: in hallways. They would just be like, there was this

768
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 2: girl and she was peeking around the corner, and then

769
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 2: she stepped out, and she's wearing an old dress. And

770
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 2: when it's like she wanted to play hide and seek

771
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 2: her tag and if I went after her, she would

772
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 2: she took off and then she was gone. And then

773
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 2: another kid was telling me about she had a ball

774
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 2: and she tossed the ball at him and he was

775
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 2: watching the ball, and the ball disappeared, never made it

776
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 2: to his hands. He looks up, she's not there, and

777
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 2: he's like, no, I'm I'm sure one hundred percent she

778
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 2: was real. She wasn't like, she wasn't a ghost. She

779
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 2: was a real girl. And I was like, Okay, that's

780
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 2: a full bodied apparition if you're seeing them and you

781
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 2: think they're real, but then they disappear, and that's a

782
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 2: full bodied apparition ghosts. And he's just like, I just

783
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 2: don't know what to think about that. I mean, I've

784
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 2: talked to a lot, a lot of kids have seen her,

785
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 2: and she's friendly, she's not mischievous. People have said they've

786
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:21,720
Speaker 2: heard footsteps of it. Sounded like a little kid running around.

787
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 2: They've heard it in some of the rooms. I'm assuming

788
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 2: that might be Rebecca running around, And I think she's

789
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 2: just having fun in the hotel and playing with whoever

790
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 2: will play with her.

791
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 3: Do you think the hotel has ever or have you

792
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:38,800
Speaker 3: heard of the hotel ever losing employees or like having

793
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 3: guests leave because of the hauntings there.

794
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 2: Yes, I know personally two people who worked at the

795
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 2: hotel from Jamaica. They stayed on the Island, but they changed.

796
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 2: They changed to one one stayed in the same company

797
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 2: but moved to a restaurant, and another one changed to

798
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:02,879
Speaker 2: a totally different company altogether. But yeah, again Superstition saw

799
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 2: something something weird happen. Man, there have been guests two

800
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 2: that have changed rooms. Sometimes it's pretty rare that they

801
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 2: leave the hotel. I've not heard of that at the Grand.

802
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 2: I'm sure it's happened, but I've never heard of it

803
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 2: at the Grand. I've heard it at some of the

804
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 2: other hotels, but where they'll check out and they'll just

805
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:22,240
Speaker 2: be like, I'm done.

806
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:24,919
Speaker 3: It would have to be like for me to leave

807
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 3: the Grand. That place is very expensive. It would have

808
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 3: to be like a really bad ghost. I would just

809
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 3: be like, you do you this was eight hundred dollars tonight,

810
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 3: so I'm not leaving, so yeah, I'm not sure.

811
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 2: Paying for my room, I'm staying right.

812
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: It would have to be a really bad ghost.

813
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, you'd have to be like what was that movie

814
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 2: with John Cusack fourteen eighteen fourteen seventy. I remember it

815
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 2: was a movie where he was in the haunted room. Yes, okay,

816
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 2: if that happens, yes, I will check out.

817
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 3: Maybe then I would leave, no, but for anybody wanting

818
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 3: to at the Grand just because I'm always, like, you know,

819
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 3: I'm always looking for deals. I've learned that they send

820
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 3: out some really great Black Friday deals and that's when

821
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 3: I usually yes, there. Now I've done that two years

822
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 3: in a row now, and that was the That was

823
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 3: the key, because I was looking at some of those

824
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 3: prices and I was like, holy moly. But they do

825
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 3: like a get one night, get one free kind of thing.

826
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 3: So that's that's the time. Sign up for their emails

827
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 3: and you're welcome. They also have payment plans for those interested.

828
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 2: Yes, I was gonna say they do.

829
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 1: That too, but it's so worth it, like it is,

830
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 1: you know it is.

831
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,280
Speaker 2: There's just it's a once in a lifetime type of place,

832
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 2: it really is. You don't make them like that anymore. No,

833
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 2: I've been all over the place, and I mean, I

834
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 2: can't count on one hand how many places are like that.

835
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 2: There's nice hotels, but ones that have like professional waiters,

836
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 2: like they're training as waiters. You can't just apply and

837
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 2: get the job. You have to know what you're doing.

838
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,839
Speaker 3: They're like everyone there is there. Their customer service is impeccable.

839
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 3: I love the idea of the formal dinners at night.

840
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 3: I do feel like it just kind of brings you

841
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 3: back in time quite a bit. It is very haunted,

842
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 3: like you can feel it. Anyone is even remotely sensitive,

843
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 3: you can feel it, like you know, even in our room.

844
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 3: There was one night I woke up and I was

845
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:24,240
Speaker 3: really convinced that someone was standing on the other side

846
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 3: of Charlotte's bed and I got really few.

847
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: I have to.

848
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 3: Look it up. It was actually a pretty big room.

849
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 3: I'll have to look it up, but it was.

850
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 2: On yeah, because there's a few rooms that have a

851
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 2: lot of reports in them.

852
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was like the second or third flour was

853
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 3: in the back. We were facing kind of the forest,

854
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 3: not the lake, but it was kind it was like

855
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 3: a corner room and it's very set back. And I

856
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 3: woke up and I was like, is there someone standing

857
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 3: in our room? And I got like the hackles like

858
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 3: went up on the back because like immediately I was

859
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 3: like intruder, and that's my kid. I opened my eyes

860
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 3: wider and then it was gone like that, and I

861
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 3: checked the lock on it. Because I'm very paranoid. I

862
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 3: always make sure our hotel rooms are very locked and

863
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 3: I even bring extra locks usually, And I felt it

864
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 3: and then actually, come to think of it, we came

865
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 3: back to our room one afternoon and our closet doors

866
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 3: were both like wide open. It went the closet, you know,

867
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 3: like what are those called.

868
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: Armoire or arm orre.

869
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 3: They were both like wide open, and everything had been

870
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 3: nobody had come to clean or anything. And so just

871
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 3: like little things like that.

872
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,720
Speaker 2: There's a lot of that in the hotel. Yeah, no question.

873
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 2: I've heard of people having things move across, Like they'll

874
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 2: put their glasses on the table night stand right next

875
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 2: to the bed when they go to sleep. They wake

876
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 2: up the next day, they never got out of bed,

877
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 2: the glasses aren't there. The glasses are sitting on a

878
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 2: table by the door, or they're sitting in the bathroom,

879
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 2: or they're sitting I mean, furniture sliding in the middle

880
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 2: of the night, just a boost like something bumped it,

881
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 2: welcome up. I mean, just weird things like TV changing channels.

882
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 2: I know how that can happen right on its own

883
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 2: that somebody in another room has a similar frequency, but

884
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 2: just different things that have moved around in their rooms.

885
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 2: Like yeah, ar Mars opening closet doors opening hangars falling

886
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 2: down in a closet for no reason in the middle

887
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 2: of the night. I mean, I've heard a lot of

888
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 2: different weird stories of things that have happened.

889
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

890
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 3: Well, I'm going to pay extra attention when we go

891
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 3: back this summer because I just now that I've researched

892
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 3: it so thoroughly and.

893
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:29,839
Speaker 1: I'm just really looking forward to it. Now. How can

894
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:30,879
Speaker 1: people find you, Todd?

895
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 3: I know you've got a bunch of books and your

896
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 3: ghost tours going on, so people want to see Todd.

897
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: How do they see you?

898
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 2: Hantsamacina dot com. That's our website. Website's not that great.

899
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 2: We're supposed to rehabit, but we haven't gotten to it yet.

900
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 2: But we do Haunted Walking tours almost usually every night,

901
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 2: depends how many tour guides we have working, but we'll

902
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 2: do tours every night, seven nights a week from early

903
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 2: May to almost the end of October, and sometimes do

904
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 2: extra tours. We started a new tour last fall just

905
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 2: to try it out, where we bring like equipment with us.

906
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 2: We let you bring your equipment and we stop in

907
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:11,280
Speaker 2: some spots that we have had tons of sightings and

908
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 2: and things going on, so they get a chance to

909
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:16,800
Speaker 2: try out actual ghost hunting. It's not full of those hunting,

910
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 2: but it's a way to try it in a place

911
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 2: that we are just like, yeah, we've got things happening

912
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:21,840
Speaker 2: right here.

913
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:23,320
Speaker 1: I like that a lot.

914
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 2: And then I have the two books. They're on Amazon.

915
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 2: Amazon just actually emailed me. They're running out, so if

916
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 2: there's any left, I'm shipping more soon. The Island Bookstore

917
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 2: is like our second home. That's where we start the tours. Now.

918
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 2: We kind of partnered up with them to do the

919
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 2: tours out of there. You can get the books there.

920
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 2: There's all kinds of your books there by the.

921
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 1: Way, Oh nice, Who to Die For?

922
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 2: Is there? So? Yeah?

923
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I went looking for it over the summer

924
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 3: or yeah, that was it.

925
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 2: They don't carry many copies because they're a small bookstore.

926
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 3: I was going to sign it for them, but they

927
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 3: had just sold it and I was like, oh okay,

928
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 3: but they therefore I had to get more in. But well,

929
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 3: that's awesome. I do want to tell a quick story

930
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,359
Speaker 3: because this is one I don't know remember we told

931
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 3: it when we did the Vacana Island one. But it

932
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 3: does have to do with the grand It's not ghostly

933
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 3: but I'm sure you remember this very well. So Strange

934
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:16,399
Speaker 3: Escapes we do events on mcinaw here and there. We're

935
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 3: going to hopefully come back this fall. We did for

936
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 3: the first couple of years, we would do a barbecue

937
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 3: up at the Fort.

938
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: And in order.

939
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:27,240
Speaker 3: To do the barbecue up at the Fort, the Grand

940
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 3: Hotel has to cater it because they are the catering

941
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 3: partner there. They actually have a cafe there now and everything, right,

942
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 3: and so we went to go have our barbecue and

943
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 3: it was pouring rain and and so the Grand Hotel

944
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 3: did not know what to do with us, and it

945
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 3: was dinner time, and so they ended up they ended

946
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 3: up letting us all into the hotel right at dinner time.

947
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:58,760
Speaker 1: There's all these ghost hunters.

948
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 3: With all of their like ghosts shirts like we all had.

949
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 3: We all had those crazy like park like you know,

950
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 3: those like those big plasta those ponchos. We were in ponchos.

951
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 3: We trudge into the hotel and on that they rushed

952
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,359
Speaker 3: us through the lobby so fast and they put us

953
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:22,919
Speaker 3: back in that event room and.

954
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: Closed the doors. Yeah, they put us in the terrace

955
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:27,839
Speaker 1: room and they just closed the doors as quickly as

956
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 1: they could they couldn't. They couldn't hide us fast enough.

957
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:35,280
Speaker 1: But it was such a good.

958
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,839
Speaker 2: We were all wearing like street clothes and it's dinner time.

959
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 3: It was like dinner time, and we were stopping what

960
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 3: we'd walked the you know, it's half a mile or

961
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:44,280
Speaker 3: whatever it is from downtown.

962
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 2: It's about a half a mile, almost half a mile.

963
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 1: So I'll never forget that.

964
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 3: And that was I never felt like that before, where

965
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 3: they were just like, oh my god, get these people

966
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 3: through her.

967
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 1: They were horrified.

968
00:50:56,480 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 2: I don't like this. We didn't do it.

969
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:05,839
Speaker 3: But they're also they're lovely and they've been nothing but

970
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 3: great to me when we've been there, and I've talked

971
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:08,359
Speaker 3: to them many times.

972
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 2: So yeah, they do. They did a haunted trail this

973
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 2: past October and it was actually I was better, and

974
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 2: I thought it would be. I was actually surprised and

975
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 2: it took a long time to go through.

976
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, they seem to be kind of getting into it,

977
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 3: you know, so I think they are. That's why I

978
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:28,240
Speaker 3: was meeting with them. So we'll see what happens. But anyways,

979
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 3: thank you so much Todd for joining. It's great to

980
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 3: have you back. I will see you at the Great

981
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 3: Lakes Ghostly Weekend this August.

982
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 2: I'm sure.

983
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 3: When guests visit the Grand Hotel they see a historic building,

984
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 3: filled with splashes of bold colors and surrounded by a lush,

985
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 3: green and peaceful landscape. But those visitors who come in

986
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 3: the hopes of getting in touch with nature might find

987
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 3: themselves connecting with something more unexpected, the world of the supernatural.

988
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:04,720
Speaker 3: I'm Amy Brunei and this was Haunted Road High Haunted Roadies.

989
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 3: I wanted to provide a bit of an addendum to

990
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 3: this episode. I know Todd and I talked about my

991
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 3: touring the Grand Hotel and how the hotels seemed to

992
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 3: be open to me having one of my paranormal retreats there. Well,

993
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 3: since the recording of this episode, I heard back from them.

994
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 3: Now I need to stress that the staff and the

995
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 3: hotel are absolutely lovely, and I have a trip booked

996
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,839
Speaker 3: there for this summer and probably every summer after that

997
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 3: because it's one of my favorite places. I'd also like

998
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 3: distress that no one owes us access to haunted locations. Okay,

999
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:40,320
Speaker 3: but that being said, I think they're a little worried

1000
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 3: about having.

1001
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 1: A ghostly reputation.

1002
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 3: They very politely declined the retreat at this time. But

1003
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 3: I'm certainly not giving up on them yet. Maybe one

1004
00:52:49,320 --> 00:53:01,240
Speaker 3: day they'll come around. Haunted r Road is a production

1005
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:05,800
Speaker 3: of iHeartRadio and Grimm and Mild from Aaron Manky. Haunted

1006
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 3: Road is hosted and written by me Amy Bruney, with

1007
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 3: additional research by Cassandra de Alba. This show is edited

1008
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 3: and produced by supervising producer Rima el Kali, with executive

1009
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 3: producers Aaron Menke, Trevor Young, and Matt Frederick. Learn more

1010
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