1 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: Hey, this Sanny in Samantha and welcome to stuff. I've 2 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:09,880 Speaker 1: never told your protection of I heart Adios how stuff First, 3 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:22,279 Speaker 1: as we record this, listeners, Dragon Con, which is a 4 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 1: convention of all things nerdum that drew over eighty thousand 5 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: people last year is coming to Atlanta. It takes place 6 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:33,200 Speaker 1: every Labor Day weekend in the city, taking over five 7 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: hotels in Midtown and pretty much everything in that vicinity, 8 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:40,160 Speaker 1: especially Peach Tree Mallum. I've been going for like eight 9 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: years now. I've been going for a while, but hilariously 10 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 1: not while I was a student at Georgia Tech, which 11 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: is both close and is known as a geek college. 12 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: I didn't even know about it. Um. But Samantha and 13 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: I will be there um or we were there depending 14 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: on when you listen to this, and I will be 15 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: in costume either as the Winter Soldier of course. Pick 16 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: up from How to Train Your Dragon with a Flaming Sword. 17 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 1: It's gonna be cool Spider Woman with perhaps a joke 18 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: about like Disney and Sony and being or something. I 19 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: don't know, snap judgment with my favorite drunk purchase I've 20 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: ever made the fans car right. You figured out that 21 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 1: that one didn't you. Oh yeah, I went it showed up. 22 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 1: I was like, what is this huge box? Oh, it's 23 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 1: an infinite and it's a giant. Of course it is, 24 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: of course it is. UM and UM. I have possible 25 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: side costumes like Ellie from the Last of Us, UM, 26 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: Catwoman from The Dark Night and that series. She's not 27 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: in that movie, don't don't write in about it. UM, 28 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 1: and Hella from thor Ragnarok. I just loved like black Messy, 29 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: I make up. I'm in UM, but come find us. 30 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: We might be recording right UM, and I'm gonna be there. 31 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: I will not be dressing up. I'm going to be 32 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: the person in the corner staring around in awe and 33 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: probably disbelief. Yes, I'm gonna assume that's going to be 34 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: my reaction because this will be the first one that 35 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: I will ever have attended. And the only reason I'm 36 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: going is as support an audience for you, essentially and 37 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: apparently maybe a backpack carrier. Yeah, because I don't want 38 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: to ruin my costume, but that that's fair and that's fair. 39 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: And I'm going to be in the corner with the 40 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: recording equipment, hopefully if we can get that in UM 41 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 1: talking to different women and those who have are dressing 42 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: as females, I guess essentially um and see what's going 43 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: on in their heads and how they came up with 44 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: their costumes. Because I will say the one thing about 45 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 1: dragon Con just going through the parade or even driving 46 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: through Atlanta during this time, there's some elaborate costumes and 47 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 1: people put a lot of hard work and a lot 48 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 1: of money in these things. Oh yeah, and that's my 49 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 1: favorite part of of dragon Con is just seeing the 50 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 1: creativity of the costumes. A lot of puns, and you 51 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: know I love pun. There's so many puns. Oh yeah, 52 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: I've got I got some good pun costs you, I mean, 53 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 1: snap judgment obviously. But we're not only talking about dragon 54 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 1: Con today, although it might come up some We're talking 55 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: about the fake geek girl and toxic fandom at large. 56 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: And this is something that I do know a lot about, 57 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: and we've touched on these topics and a handful of episodes, 58 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: but I'm pretty sure, unless my memory and Google is 59 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: failing me, we've never done an entire episode on it. 60 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: And there is a Fake Geek Girls podcast out there. Yeah, okay, So, 61 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: definition time geek a person who has excessive enthusiasm for 62 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: and some expertise about a specialized subject or activity. Yeah. 63 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: I used to have like a debate about like nerd 64 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: versus the work hierarchy when it came to those types 65 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: of Oh, I've been in many arguments about it. People 66 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 1: have their opinions and they're almost always different. And it's 67 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: the one that they claim to be is the best one. 68 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: I aloys. See, I always a claimed to be the 69 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: nerd I'll always call it. Was called a nerd growing 70 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: up because of my love for books and writing. And 71 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 1: you know, see I was always called a dork because 72 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: I feel like a dork is a softer. I don't 73 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: know a goof ear. This is all just looked it up. Um, 74 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 1: So we look at fake geek girl. This is a 75 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: woman pretending to be nerdy to attract male attention. Uh, 76 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 1: there is no other reason for a woman to like something, right, 77 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:26,280 Speaker 1: I have a specialized Yeah, no, just to attracting. That's 78 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: why I do things. Oh yeah, that's my whole goal 79 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 1: in life. Right. Um. Usually they are convenually attractive, these 80 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 1: fake geek girls, because it is a real geek dudes fantasy. 81 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: It's a woman entering their boys only clubhouse. So the 82 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: only way that these women can exist in there is 83 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 1: by being a sexual object to be enjoyed by them. 84 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: And geeks are generally assumed to be men unless the 85 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: girl not woman, by the way, is added, that already 86 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: makes them an outsider. So like just the fact we 87 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: have to specify peak is assumed to be male. Get girl, 88 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: you have to like have that label. That means the 89 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 1: masculinity of geek culture is just as policed as jocks 90 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 1: are inside locker rooms, and it is a way for 91 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: dudes to blame women for rejection. She's just a fake girl. 92 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:20,160 Speaker 1: And so this fake geek girl is a meme. You've 93 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: probably seen it. It's um a white woman, a white 94 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: young woman with kind of brown hair, bangs, glasses, and 95 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 1: on her hand she has a nerd written on it. 96 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 1: And that's kind of the meme. You'll see, the fake 97 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 1: eat girl. And it's everywhere. It is everywhere. Scott Snyder's 98 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,559 Speaker 1: Batman number thirteen had an ad with a woman wearing 99 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: a shirt that said impostor on the front, and the 100 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: speech bubble said, I basically spend like all day looking 101 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: at low cats on Facebook. I'm such a huge nerd. 102 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: Then There's Dirk Mannings, who is a comic writer. He 103 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 1: has this Facebook post that said, dear girls who take 104 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: pictures in slutty cooling and glass is in labeled the 105 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 1: caption nerd l O L. You're not a nerd, You're 106 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 1: a whore who found classes. An angry man he does. 107 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 1: There's no need for that. Unnecessary. We've got another angry man, 108 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: another angry man. There are favorites. Okay, this is from 109 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: Tony Harris and it's long, so I'm gonna read it. 110 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: I can't remember if I said this before, but I'm 111 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: gonna say it anyway. I don't give a crap. I 112 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 1: appreciate a pretty gal as much as the next hetero male. 113 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: Sometimes I even go in for some racy type stuff, 114 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: keeping the comments PG for my lady's sake. But damn it, 115 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: damn it, damn it. I am so sick and tired 116 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: of the whole cosplay chicks. I know a few who 117 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 1: are actually pretty cool and big shocker, love and read comics, 118 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: so as in all things, they are the exception to 119 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: the rule. Here's the statement I want to make based 120 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: on the rule. Hey, quasi pretty not hot girl, you 121 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:56,919 Speaker 1: are more pathetic than the real nerds who you secretly 122 00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: think are really pathetic, but we are onto you. Some 123 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: of us are aware that you are ever so average 124 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 1: on an everyday basis, but you have a couple of 125 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 1: things going your way. You're willing to become almost completely 126 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: naked in public, and you're either skinny, will some or 127 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: most of you think that you are, Or you have 128 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: big boobies. Notice I didn't say great boobies. You are 129 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: what I refer to as con hot. Well, not by 130 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: my estimation, but according to a lot of average comic 131 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:32,679 Speaker 1: book fans who either rarely speak to or never speak 132 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: to girls, some virgins, all un confident when it comes 133 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 1: to girls, and the one thing they all have in common, 134 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: they are being preyed on by you. You have this 135 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: really awful need for attention, for people to tell you 136 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: you are pretty or hot, and the thought of guys 137 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: pleasuring themselves to the memory of you hagging on them 138 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: with your glossy open lips, promising them the moon and 139 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: the stars of pleasure just makes your head vibrate. After 140 00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: many years of watching this go down, every three second, 141 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: it's around in front of my booth or table at 142 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: any given con in this country, I put this together. Well, 143 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 1: not just me, we are legion and here it is 144 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: the reason why all that sickens as because you don't 145 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: know about comics beyond whatever Google image search you did 146 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: to get reference on the most mainstream character with the 147 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 1: most revealing costume ever. And also, if any of these 148 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: guys that you hang on tried to talk to you 149 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: out of the con, you wouldn't give them the same 150 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: time of day. Shut up, you damned lyar No, you 151 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: would not, lying, liar face, You're not comics. You're just 152 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: the thing that all the comic book and mainstream press 153 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: flocked two at cons. And the real reason for the 154 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: con and the damned costumes you're preading around in that 155 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: would be comic book artists and comic book writers who 156 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 1: make all that up. Okay, why is he so angry? 157 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: Why isn't he just letting it go? And hey, even 158 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:54,319 Speaker 1: if that is the case, you're getting publicity. Move on, man, 159 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: you should just send him a note. Man, you sound 160 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: sad and you sell You've been rejected a lot. But 161 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna get docs just for saying this, because 162 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: I'm sure he's somebody's hero who is really sad and lonely, 163 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: as he said, and it's like, oh, you're staying up 164 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 1: for all men. Good job. I don't know how to 165 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: stay that would. Sit down, Calm down, You're insignificant. If 166 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: this is what you have to rant about, this is 167 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 1: your issue in life, just sit down. Yeah, it'll be okay, dude. 168 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: Just they're pretty, move all. You know. You don't have 169 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: to compliment them. You don't even have to look at 170 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: that costume. You don't have any of those things. They 171 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: don't have to exist for you. It's fine. Just let 172 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: them be. Are you so sad and lonely? Samantha's turned 173 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 1: this around on you, sir. I'm just saying it's gonna 174 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 1: be okay. Boo, book will be okay. And then there's 175 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: Joe Peacock, who wrote there's a growing chorus of frustration 176 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: in the geek community with and there's no other way 177 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 1: to put this. Pretty girls pretending to be geeks for attention. 178 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:54,559 Speaker 1: San Diego Comic Con is the largest vehicle, but it's 179 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: hardly the only convention populated with quote, hot chicks wearing 180 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:00,040 Speaker 1: skimpy outfits simply to get a bunch of golf and 181 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 1: geeks heads to turn just to satisfy their hollow egos. Okay, 182 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,959 Speaker 1: I'm so seriously confused about why they are so upset 183 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 1: about pretty girls. Oh well, they're upset about pretty girls 184 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: existing in their space and not being sexual objects just 185 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: for them to consume. Well, it's that in part too. 186 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 1: There's this sense of if you were a child and 187 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: being a nerd was not cool and you got beat 188 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: up for it, perhaps that you had to go through 189 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: this stuff and it's like an exclusive club. And now 190 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: people are just in their minds they just look good. 191 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 1: Don't understand it coming into our world. So it's the 192 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: whole world of I'll listen to them before they're popular. 193 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: I like this before they were cool mentality. Yeah, and 194 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:49,959 Speaker 1: there's definite gate keeping and entitlement and we're going to 195 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: talk about some of this more later. And also just 196 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 1: um a geek anything that depends on expertise, to like 197 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,319 Speaker 1: your credentials of how much of a gee q r 198 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: depends on how much you know about a certain thing, 199 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: then they're automatically with that is a level of judgment 200 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: of thinking. I can understand it. They're upset because someone 201 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: else is making money on something they didn't dedicate themselves too. 202 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 1: But just enjoying it. Yeah, it seems kind of harsh. Well, 203 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 1: and also, and we mentioned this a little bit, in 204 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: fan fiction, there is a people look down on how 205 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 1: women more traditionally celebrate fandom, like writing fan fiction or 206 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 1: making costumes, because if you look at arts and crafts, 207 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: who are more likely to engage in that it is women. 208 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 1: So women are making these costumes, and some of these 209 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 1: men are looking down on that as that it's not 210 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: true fandom, that is not true nerdom? How dare they? 211 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 1: How dare they? And who agrees is Dr nerd Love 212 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 1: who responded being sexy as great, as long as you've 213 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:01,959 Speaker 1: passed this ideological test that shows that you are in 214 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:05,079 Speaker 1: ded a true geek and not one of those hideous posers. 215 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: I'm sure Peacock, who is the person whose comments we've 216 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: just read, I'm sure Peacock means well, But what he 217 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: is saying is, ladies, you're only allowed to express yourself 218 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 1: sexually if you follow my rules. This is continuing the 219 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: long running attitudes still prevalent in geek culture that women 220 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: are allowed to partake in fandom and geek culture if 221 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: and only if they fulfill specific criteria, and even then 222 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 1: only if they participate in preapproved manners. The fake geek 223 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 1: girl is the nerd equivalent of the welfare queen, a 224 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: semi mythical beast who somehow ruins things for everybody by well, 225 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: nobody's entirely sure, confusing their poor sad boners. Evidently nobody 226 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 1: has ever been able to explain, to my satisfaction just 227 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 1: how this hurts geek culture. Somebody dressing up in a 228 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: sexy costume because being ogle makes them feel good doesn't 229 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 1: affect me or my friends participation in geek culture in 230 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: any meaningful way. Putting the blame on these fake geek 231 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: attention grabbers for narrowly to finding the role of women 232 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: and keepdom only serves to resolve the men who act 233 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 1: as gatekeepers, insisting that the only role open to women 234 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: is to be a sexual object rather than a full partner, 235 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: while denigrating them for doing so. At the exact same time, 236 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:16,439 Speaker 1: the idea of the fake geek girl only serves as 237 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 1: a way of dismissing or diminishing the presence of women 238 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 1: and keepdom. If she doesn't conform to some arbitrary standard, 239 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 1: she's clearly a fake, only in it for the attention, 240 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: Because if there's anything women do. It's been hours upon 241 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: hours of time and effort just a ryle dudes up 242 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: with absolutely no payoff. That's what I'm doing here, isn't 243 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: that what you're doing here? Yeah? I love rolling dudes up? Yeah, 244 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: never mind, never mind, never mind about um. And so 245 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 1: from my personal experience being in costumes at conventions, I've 246 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 1: had men come up to me and quiz me, for sure, 247 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 1: how much do you know about this character? Do you 248 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 1: know every Russian word that sets off the winners soldier? 249 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: Can you do them for me? Um? I can do. 250 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:04,079 Speaker 1: I can do what I would assume is not very 251 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 1: great Russian pronunciation, but I know the general sounds have more. 252 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm more, not more impressed, but I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, 253 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: of course you wouldn't know. Of course you're Annie, of 254 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: course you wouldn't know. I have watched Winter Soldiers several 255 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 1: several times. I almost watched it last night. I couldn't 256 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: because you weren't there. We gotta wait, we gotta do 257 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: it together. Men ask if they can pose with me 258 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 1: in sexy ways, take pictures where I'm in like some 259 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: kind of sexy pose, like holding my breasts are making 260 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: out or carrying me on their shoulder. Um. I've had 261 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 1: men accused me of knowing nothing about the character I 262 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: was dressed as. Men say, um that they see me 263 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 1: every year and they know quote exactly what I'm doing. 264 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: What I don't know, they know I don't know. I'm 265 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: just trying to have fun here. On the other side 266 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: of the spectrum, I've had men act offensively impressed that 267 00:14:56,800 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: I know literally anything about nerd him and immediately act 268 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: as though we must have sex immediately. We've we've got 269 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: a date. We were soulmates, obviously. Um. The first year 270 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: I went there, an old man bought me a bud light. 271 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: The first year I went to drink on and then 272 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: asked me up to his hotel room a bud light. 273 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: A bud light. That's not that's not the drink to 274 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: go to to be like, Hey, come hang with me 275 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 1: in my hotel room. And I'm so oblivious. I was 276 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: just thrilled at a free beer that I saw someone 277 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: else before. Look, if you're gonna buy me a beer, 278 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 1: I'm gonna move on. Like that's not a promise, that's 279 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: as you being dumb. Future episode. I actually want to 280 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: re examine that because I've always kind of been torn 281 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 1: on what to do anyway. Okay, UM, all kinds of 282 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: one want to touching. We've done episodes about that, and 283 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 1: you've probably heard it in the news. UM and the 284 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: attitude that since you're dressed up as a certain character 285 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: is totally cool, like you're no longer human anymore. They're 286 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: this rendering of a character that they have an idea about. UM. 287 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 1: Or sometimes they think it's just funny, especially because I 288 00:15:56,080 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: gender been so I'm usually dressed as like a female 289 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 1: version of a male character, so a lot of dudes 290 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: think that's hilarious. Um. I've had cops make inappropriate comments 291 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 1: and asked me out when I'm dressed in costume, and 292 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: we have literally not said anything to each other. It 293 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: just comes up. You know what, I'd like tack you 294 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: out of date, No sir, No sir. UM and Samith 295 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: and I at our upcoming convention, we're gonna take it 296 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: tally of how many sexist comments we receiver over here. 297 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: We're gonna do a little survey find out how prevalent 298 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 1: that is. Because last year they did have an incident UM, 299 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 1: and they actually had a video I think of a 300 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: woman being accosted and they were trying to find this 301 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: man at Dragon Con. So I know that people have 302 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: become a little more aware of what's happening and how 303 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 1: inappropriate this is. I have certainly observed so much sexism 304 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: at cons and it is certainly deterred some of my 305 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 1: friends from going. And I have seen women judge women 306 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: dressed for too sexy, for essentially being fakey girls. I 307 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: have friends of mine that used to do that before 308 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 1: they grew up and realized the error of their ways, right, 309 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 1: But I've seen women do it. That's the things like 310 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 1: I Again, I know I've said repeatedly one of the 311 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: reasons I don't go to convention like this as an 312 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:15,159 Speaker 1: Asian woman, there's a whole level of fetishism that happens already. 313 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 1: So when you go into and for me, even though 314 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: there's so many other things that Dragon con, animal is 315 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: one of the first things I think of, and that's 316 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 1: typically one of the right you know, I was like, 317 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:27,439 Speaker 1: oh no, oh no, no, we can't hang out if 318 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 1: you're obsessed. It's one thing to have an interest, and 319 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 1: it's the one thing to like it. But to me, 320 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:33,120 Speaker 1: there's a whole level of why you want to talk 321 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:36,640 Speaker 1: to me right, So that to me, like, even though 322 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 1: I think it's getting less and less, but that if 323 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:41,479 Speaker 1: that is just still very very very existent. I definitely 324 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:45,360 Speaker 1: get asked out based on me being Asian and now 325 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:48,679 Speaker 1: my sexy voice just getting at um. But I'm just like, 326 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 1: that's one of the reasons I stay away, far far away, 327 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 1: and I typically don't dress up. If I dressed up, 328 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 1: it's going to be a funny character then a sexy 329 00:17:55,000 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: character typically for me. Yeah, and caveat here. I do 330 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: normally have a pretty good experience. This is making it 331 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:07,199 Speaker 1: sound horrible, but I want to say this. All of 332 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 1: this stuff happens to me when I'm alone. Um, I 333 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: think when we're together, I'm not sure that this is 334 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,120 Speaker 1: going to happen. Well, it's kind of like that pack mentality, 335 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 1: and I'm sure, well we could go into that later on. 336 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: But men have this thing about women being alone versus 337 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 1: being in a pack. But sometimes it doesn't even determine 338 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: in general, especially if there's a male in the group, 339 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: then that kind of like or someone of the opposite 340 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 1: sex or someone of different sex that that just kind 341 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 1: of pulled everything apart for the right pray versus predator mentality, 342 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 1: but it kind of is. So. Yeah, I could definitely say, 343 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 1: especially at these types of conferences, if you're not with 344 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: a group, that obviously means you need friends quote unquote yeah, 345 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 1: m hmm. Look at that lonely winter soldier. I think 346 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 1: I'll go up and harass her. That's what I think 347 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: every time. Yeah. Sure. And another thing I want to 348 00:18:57,560 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 1: add in here is something that I've only started to 349 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:04,439 Speaker 1: think about after being on this show is being feminist 350 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 1: and wearing costumes that were designed with the male gaze 351 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:11,479 Speaker 1: of minds, so sexy costumes and feeling conflict about it, 352 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:16,679 Speaker 1: especially when there are young children around. Because it's one 353 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 1: thing I've said it before. I love dressing up in 354 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 1: sexy costumes every now that not all the times, sometimes 355 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:24,639 Speaker 1: I'm not in the place, but sometimes feeling it. I 356 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 1: do it for myself, but I don't think it's perceived 357 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:30,679 Speaker 1: that way because our society has not set it up 358 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: to be perceived that way for so long. So I 359 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,959 Speaker 1: worry that kids see that perception as opposed to just 360 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 1: the strong woman who wants to dress sexy. Um. So 361 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: that's in the back of my head now too. That's 362 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: something I think about, well, if you think about old 363 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 1: comics and the characters and the way women were drawn 364 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:51,239 Speaker 1: in general, they're like what the hell they're wearing? And 365 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:55,440 Speaker 1: now today's translations into our movie in you know, Wonder Woman, 366 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 1: it's kind of like that fine balance. And that's another 367 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: thing that I hope we'll get to come back to, 368 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: because a lot of people have written about it, is 369 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: why is it that women when during Halloween say they 370 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 1: it's become like sexy costumes? And I think I subscribe 371 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: to the mean girls theory. That is because we're judged 372 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:18,920 Speaker 1: so harshly any other time for dressing sexy, So it's 373 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 1: like the one time we feel like we can. But 374 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,440 Speaker 1: there's a lot of other stuff at play. I haven't 375 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 1: done the research yet, so if you disagree, please don't 376 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: yell at me quite yet. But that's something that we'll 377 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:31,399 Speaker 1: return to. Me is just wearing all black with some 378 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: kind of animal ears. That's the best way to go 379 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: that you're wearing all black and then cattiers. Well I 380 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: did rabbit ears one year. Comfort is key. Yes, comfort 381 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: is key. So why does this whole fake girl thing exist? Well? 382 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 1: Has always for a couple of reasons. One nerd Um 383 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: has long been seen as a male alternative for being 384 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:59,439 Speaker 1: traditionally a male. So it's the alternative if you're not 385 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: that buff, strong due that is. You know, when we 386 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 1: think of the most masculine, manly man, that's the image, 387 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 1: the sports jock type thing. So nerd m has been 388 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 1: the alternative to that. And in our movies we see 389 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 1: it all the time. You got the jocks and the nerds, 390 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: and the nerds always get the girl. They're entitled to 391 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,640 Speaker 1: the girl because the male dude wrote it and that's 392 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 1: what they think. Um. Having knowledge, being a nerd was 393 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 1: another way to be competent. So if a woman started 394 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 1: doing this, then does that mean nerd them is less 395 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 1: manly or nerds are only passing as men? And or 396 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 1: if it is defined on how much you know, then 397 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 1: it fosters gatekeeping, like we said, and men have traditionally 398 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 1: done this gatekeeping, and women who got past that frequently 399 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 1: had to give up a part of their identity to 400 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 1: do so, so be a less feminine, not this pretty 401 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:57,159 Speaker 1: fake geek girl. Um, So it can be easy to 402 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 1: lash out against people women in in this scenario that 403 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 1: didn't give up a part of their identity in our eyes. Um, 404 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:10,400 Speaker 1: like you have to do that. Fans of something see 405 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 1: it as part of their identity. Hardcore. It is hardcore, 406 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 1: but it doesn't have to be there different. There are 407 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: different levels of fandom. And like I said earlier, I 408 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 1: think a part of it too is that nerdom used 409 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,360 Speaker 1: to come with this rite of passage of getting beat 410 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 1: up or being isolated. So when you see someone who 411 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,439 Speaker 1: you think didn't have to go through that using the 412 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:35,359 Speaker 1: label you used to find solace or to find people 413 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 1: like you to feel us alone, then you might want 414 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 1: to lash out. And I know we read something about 415 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,919 Speaker 1: that in our I think our Star Wars episode about 416 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 1: toxic fandom. Um, but I can't I can never find it. 417 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,439 Speaker 1: But I know John evers a bit where he says, nerds, 418 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 1: you've inherited the earth. It's over. Well that's kind of 419 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 1: a new joke as how, that's kind of Um. I 420 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:59,360 Speaker 1: think it was the silly movie with Jonah Hill and 421 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 1: Channing Tatum, the Little Cut movie, Yeah one, and then 422 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 1: they go they go back to school, but the roles 423 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:09,640 Speaker 1: of a reverse and now Joan is the cool kid 424 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 1: who was the nerd in high school and got beat 425 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: up and the jock was always Now is being made 426 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,920 Speaker 1: fun of which is Chane Tatum yafter like it does 427 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: the flip and then like although in the early nineties 428 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 1: late eighties, the Nerds had their own franchise, The Revenge 429 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 1: of the Nerds. I know, it was a whole it 430 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 1: was really creepy movie too. It was terrible. It was 431 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,360 Speaker 1: really awful, But they had a whole franchise based on 432 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,679 Speaker 1: we will of course he's nerds, really buff Nerds. It 433 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:34,959 Speaker 1: was really weird to me. But yeah, stuff like that 434 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 1: has become a part of like the flip of the 435 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 1: script of mentality. And as I said, there are different 436 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 1: levels of fandom, so that's a totally okay thing. Some 437 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 1: of us are we're all in. Some of us are casual, 438 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,719 Speaker 1: and it differs from fandom to fandom. And I personally 439 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,640 Speaker 1: don't understand gate keeping and shutting people out from fandoms 440 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 1: that we love. I feel like I want to share 441 00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: it with everybody. I think you do that really well, 442 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 1: which is also why I've been watching Supernatural. It was 443 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 1: because of you. Essentially, you talked about it enough element cool. 444 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 1: I'll get it because I am a maybe they would 445 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,159 Speaker 1: call me a poser because I enjoy it. I know 446 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 1: about it, but I'm not gonna go all the way 447 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 1: into that. That's your level, that's my levels. Like I 448 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 1: will I like all the Captain Marvel movies. I will 449 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 1: watch them, and I will not watch them ten times 450 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:27,120 Speaker 1: in a week. Annie, I don't know, Samantha. Just let 451 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 1: me be a little bit more persuasive. I gets here 452 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,439 Speaker 1: and there, but like things like that, I won't be 453 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,120 Speaker 1: standing in line for four hours to go ride a 454 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:39,159 Speaker 1: Hagrid ride. Well occasion to do it, you would have 455 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: been able to walk right on. So think about that. 456 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 1: I was there, and I love the new text that 457 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: I get from you to show me the way times 458 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:54,919 Speaker 1: of the Haggard ride, even though we're nowhere near Every 459 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: morning I checked got down to two hours that one fifty, 460 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 1: I was like, oh god, she's gonna get on a plane, 461 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 1: like she's gonna try to get there now. Um, But yeah, 462 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,120 Speaker 1: I definitely am one of those. But yeah, I could definitely. 463 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 1: I definitely see the dedication and people when you start 464 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: seeing message boards and actually seeing like icons people use 465 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,679 Speaker 1: that what there are pictures profile pictures of whatever character 466 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: they're in love with. It's pretty fascinating. Oh absolutely, I 467 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 1: totally agree, and it's I love the creativity of the costumes, 468 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 1: and part of that like the crafting, as we said 469 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 1: that that's predominantly female. Um, but the creativity of it 470 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: and just seeing the puns people come up with, just 471 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 1: how impressive something is and it takes time and it 472 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 1: takes money. You can do it cheaply, but it can 473 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 1: be very expensive. And to just dismiss that as this 474 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 1: isn't real fandom, right, that doesn't make any sense. A 475 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 1: little research alone to get the precision people's the details 476 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 1: on these people's costumes are amazing. Oh yeah, and they 477 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 1: might even be sexy. How dare you I guess someone 478 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 1: going to a sexy Panos I guarante. Last year, one 479 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 1: of the costumes I remember the most, and I apologize 480 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 1: in advance, was the sexy Penny Wise h which I 481 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 1: just saw that movie. It was a really good which, 482 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 1: by the way, I know this has nothing to do 483 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 1: with this, but that whole scene with him being in 484 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 1: the room full of the figurines and of clowns, That's 485 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. That's what I'm scared of. That 486 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 1: Savantha's very specific fear they came to life. Well, okay, 487 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 1: I'll keep that in mind. I'll try to get better 488 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:47,120 Speaker 1: about warning you about statues that's bad, whatever they are. Um, yeah, 489 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 1: I just I'm not down with this looking I'm not 490 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 1: down with looking down on how other people express their 491 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:58,119 Speaker 1: fandom as long as it's not hurting anybody else. I 492 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,719 Speaker 1: don't get it. I think that's the mantra, doesn't bother you. 493 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,879 Speaker 1: If it's not actually physically taking away a right or 494 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:10,160 Speaker 1: happiness or something that's actually then why then why why? 495 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: And also women have always been geeks. Just want to 496 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: put that out there throughout history. I know Mary Shelley 497 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,639 Speaker 1: isn't an example of one of the first geeks. Um, 498 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 1: we're just more visible now and we're taking up space 499 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: and people don't like And also people are actually acknowledging 500 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 1: that yes as a thing. We have some more for 501 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,120 Speaker 1: you on toxic fandom, but first we have a quick 502 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:48,360 Speaker 1: break for word from our sponsor, and we're back. Thank 503 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,640 Speaker 1: you sponsored. So, toxic fandom. This has been thrown about 504 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 1: our vernacular a lot lately, and it's made up of 505 00:27:55,880 --> 00:28:02,239 Speaker 1: three things. Essentially, entitlement, a feeling of superior priority, and possessiveness. 506 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 1: If that fandom has been traditionally white and male, then 507 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,639 Speaker 1: anything outside of that that that messes with this sense 508 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,680 Speaker 1: of possessiveness, and it's not limited to nerdy things at all. 509 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:17,159 Speaker 1: Music is another another big one, like K pop. I 510 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 1: know that's come out the example of how female singers 511 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: can't date because the fans are so possessive. It's like 512 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 1: an old school back throwback when actors we're not allowed 513 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:27,920 Speaker 1: to share anything about the private lab and had to 514 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 1: pretend like they are always open, we're never in a 515 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: relationship and single, right. I heard that rumor kind of 516 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 1: around Taylor Swift for a while, like I know, like, 517 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 1: but then they get really possessive in the sense of 518 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 1: Justin Bieber when he and Selena Gomez broke up and 519 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,479 Speaker 1: he got married, they started going after his wife like 520 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 1: mean because they just it should have been this other woman. 521 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 1: And you're just gonna like, damn you all let them 522 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 1: live their lives. Why. I get it. If you don't 523 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: like his music, sure, if he's a dick, sure, but 524 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 1: because he married someone else that level and then we 525 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 1: know the hive will come after you. Um. They these 526 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 1: people are really scary. They're they're very passionate, and they're 527 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 1: very passionate. Yes, and and some of these uh celebrities 528 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 1: have had to address their fan base and say I 529 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 1: will not tolerate this type of behavior. You're right. Um. 530 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: And if we go back to entitlement that comes with 531 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 1: a sense of ownership. Um, this might involve death threats 532 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: to the creator if things don't go the way that 533 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: the fan thinks that it should. Game of Thrones, Yeah, 534 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 1: the petitions see that fairly often, actually, and I hear 535 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 1: it with any kind of ending. People don't like, oh 536 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 1: my gosh, but they make things happen, like the Veronica 537 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 1: Malar stuff. Well, that's an example of good fandom, although 538 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 1: that does come with the double edged sort of then 539 00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 1: you feel like you have to do fan service because 540 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 1: they essentially made it happen, which Christin Bell actually she 541 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,239 Speaker 1: talked about it, Yeah, she did. Um. And then if 542 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 1: we look at the superiority, you're better than the so 543 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 1: called enormis or casuals to the terms they use are muggles. Sometimes, 544 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 1: even outside of Harry Potter, toxic fandom is sometimes called 545 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 1: protective fandom. Fans thinking that they are protecting are preserving 546 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 1: the fandom as they believe it should be. Um. And 547 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 1: I've told the story on this very show how I 548 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 1: stopped playing games online because of toxic fandom. Michelle Rodriguez 549 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 1: was booed after saying destructive male culture while on a 550 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: panel called Women Who Kick Ass. A man shouted at 551 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: her women who talked too much. Then there's Bree Larson 552 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 1: the whole I think she just said we need more 553 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 1: women and everyone was like fire her immediately. Um. And 554 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 1: then the reaction to Marvel Phase four, which is much 555 00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: more diverse than it has been traditionally, people saying, oh, 556 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 1: this is it's ruined, like three women exactly, how dare you? 557 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 1: And then they're all white red oads. Right. There's even 558 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 1: that cut of the Avengers where they took out all 559 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: the women all male Avengers. That thinks like that. And 560 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 1: then if you look at Star Wars, there's Daisy Daisy 561 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 1: Ridley and Kelly Marie Tran being bullied off social media. 562 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 1: They're both in the new Star Wars. And then the 563 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 1: movies like, um, Charlie Staron was on Mad Max. They're 564 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 1: pissed that she was one of the heroes, even though 565 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 1: essentially she still got rescued. Yeah, and I'm just like, 566 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 1: what's happening? And their whole men's men's rights movement about 567 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 1: boycotting that movie and things like that. It's just so affling. Yeah, 568 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 1: another thing that baffles me. Actors on Voltron received death 569 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 1: threats because of their response to questions around shipping. So 570 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 1: I've said it in another episode, but this is when 571 00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 1: you are pushing for a certain relationship and they thought that. 572 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 1: I think the actors just said, I like, people should 573 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,719 Speaker 1: ship whoever they want and everyone, not everyone, but a 574 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 1: very vocal group of fans said you're wrong, this is 575 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:15,479 Speaker 1: the only ship you monster death threats. Then Dan Harmon 576 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 1: have he had to essentially condemned half the fans of 577 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 1: Rick and Morty. Really, yes, and there it's one of 578 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 1: those things, unfortunate things where it's been taken by men's 579 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 1: rights activists and sort of turned into so like we 580 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 1: talked about in cells, so that like alpha is Rick 581 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 1: and then Beta is Morty, and then whatever the dad's name, Jerry, 582 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 1: he's the other thing. Um. And they attacked to McDonald's 583 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,480 Speaker 1: and I think San Francisco some Rick and Morty fans 584 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 1: because they ran out of the sechue sauce. They were 585 00:32:53,480 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 1: threatening McDonald's employees. This is a cartoon, right, and people 586 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 1: don't get mad at me and I'm like over a 587 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 1: cartoon of a non existent place and characters. Correct, and 588 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm going off track. Keep going. Stephen Universe 589 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 1: artist was forced to quit after she was threatened by 590 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 1: fans for drawing a appairing ship that they didn't like. 591 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 1: Members of a Sherlock panel the BBC Show were harassed 592 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 1: based on their preference of who tops in that universe. 593 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 1: Huh exactly. I think one of them was given a 594 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 1: candy with needles in it. Oh my god. Then there's 595 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,720 Speaker 1: the practice of swatting. That's when you call swat teams 596 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 1: on someone during a gaming dispute, and this has resulted 597 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 1: in at least one death. That's a twenty years sentence. 598 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:54,320 Speaker 1: Rotten Tomatoes changed its review policy to prevent mostly male 599 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 1: participants in toxic fandom from bombing movies on their site, 600 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 1: usually before they've been seeing them. Movies with fee out 601 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 1: and or people of color and lead roles Captain Marvel, Black, Panther, 602 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 1: Wonder Woman, they were all targets. The New Ghostbusters, Star Wars, 603 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 1: Last Jedi Tumbler added tag blocking and fandoms have this 604 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,479 Speaker 1: power because this is a group that people who make 605 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 1: movies studios feel beholden to because that it's guaranteed money 606 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,800 Speaker 1: if he pleased them. And I'm sorry if that fails callous, 607 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 1: but it's true, right um. And that can prevent studios 608 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:35,760 Speaker 1: from making more inclusive choices um or like braver storyline choices. 609 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 1: And this is not to absolve studios at all at all, 610 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,480 Speaker 1: but we can't absolve toxic fandom either, especially when studios 611 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,840 Speaker 1: do make these decisions and the actors pay the price 612 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 1: via social media. It's like a reverse death of the 613 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 1: author problem when the fans are the problem, not the creator, 614 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:58,400 Speaker 1: and creators can be involved in it too, though, especially 615 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 1: when they say a true fan can only believe in 616 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 1: their interpretation. Yes, I believe Anne Rice is a good example. 617 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 1: And and it's really bad this whole thing in terms 618 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,680 Speaker 1: of things like fight Club or The Matrix, where toxic 619 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 1: again largely male fans took the original work and turned 620 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:20,360 Speaker 1: it into something poisonous like representative of red pill blue pill. 621 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:22,879 Speaker 1: And that's not how it was meant. I mean, fight 622 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:27,960 Speaker 1: Club was supposed to be a satire about toxic masculinity, um. 623 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:33,880 Speaker 1: But it has been usurped every every time. That is 624 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:37,960 Speaker 1: why we can't have nice things. Yes, hashtag not all fans. 625 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,759 Speaker 1: We're making it sound awful. They are parts of it, 626 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:48,320 Speaker 1: parts of it that are just truly terrible and frightening, 627 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 1: and it scared some people away, and it's that is 628 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 1: really frustrating to me. Um. Some of it, though, is 629 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:58,800 Speaker 1: beautiful and rewarding and sometimes transformative. It can give you hobbies, friends, 630 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,919 Speaker 1: maybe even significant others. Um. It can be a place 631 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:04,840 Speaker 1: to find your tribe. I found one of my best friends. 632 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:06,200 Speaker 1: I went up to talk to her because she had 633 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 1: a Harry Potter folder. It's the whole reason why I 634 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,799 Speaker 1: talked to her and we're still best friends. To this stay, 635 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 1: she will be a jack Oh is she? And you guys? 636 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,000 Speaker 1: Are are you guys the ones going to uh Orlando 637 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:22,840 Speaker 1: November Full Circle? It's it's all coming full together thanks 638 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 1: to fan of It's a place you can hone your creativity. 639 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 1: It can be all these things, but it can be 640 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 1: very very toxic. It can be also a thing that 641 00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,680 Speaker 1: is a criteria. Um, where like if they don't like 642 00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:39,279 Speaker 1: Harry Potter, I'm very suspicious of you. I used to 643 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 1: have that rule and dating kind of like jokingly and 644 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 1: kind of seriously, like you're gonna have to either start 645 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,080 Speaker 1: watching it now, yeah, or we're gonna watch them together 646 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 1: or read them. And that's just how it is. But 647 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:52,839 Speaker 1: there are a few things that I'm like, like, if 648 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:54,960 Speaker 1: you don't like this, we're gonna have to have talk. 649 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,080 Speaker 1: We're gonna because it's gonna be on just you're just 650 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,279 Speaker 1: gonna deal with it. When I'm sitting there watching all 651 00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:05,279 Speaker 1: nine eight videos of it of Harry Potter, eight eight 652 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,920 Speaker 1: videos back to back to back to back. Yeah, and 653 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:12,960 Speaker 1: I don't want your snipe comments. Don't start with me exactly. 654 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,440 Speaker 1: We sound like we're very We've got good criteria for dating, 655 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,280 Speaker 1: must like Harry Potter. Check and that's why I'm not married. 656 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,040 Speaker 1: I don't want to be. Uh well, we do have 657 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,200 Speaker 1: a little bit more for you, but first we have 658 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:42,120 Speaker 1: one more quick break forward from our sponsor and we're back. 659 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:47,080 Speaker 1: Thank you sponsor. So toxic fandom is a big topic 660 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,759 Speaker 1: right now. I feel like fate geek girl, the tide 661 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:51,800 Speaker 1: is turning where most people are like, that's nonsense, it 662 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:57,760 Speaker 1: doesn't exist. There's definitely still angry men who are pointing 663 00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,040 Speaker 1: at any sexy lady that walks by. Uh. I feel 664 00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:02,960 Speaker 1: like now there's women are pointing at them. I'm like, 665 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,360 Speaker 1: m hm, right, So I think I think the tide 666 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:10,239 Speaker 1: is turning there slowly, ever so slowly. Toxic fandom has 667 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,319 Speaker 1: been up in the news a lot, and it just 668 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,960 Speaker 1: the fact that it's influenced these companies to change their policies, 669 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,600 Speaker 1: says a lot. So I wasn't able to find I 670 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,279 Speaker 1: we always want to end on a hopeful note. Here's 671 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,919 Speaker 1: what you can do. Well, I couldn't find too much, 672 00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,880 Speaker 1: but I did see a near feed. You can mute, 673 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:35,000 Speaker 1: our block and or report toxic fans and your feeds. 674 00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:39,319 Speaker 1: There's a debate around just muting versus actually reporting, because 675 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:43,439 Speaker 1: then it will remove it from all of your followers feeds. So, uh, 676 00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,040 Speaker 1: perhaps a future episode on that one from YouTuber a 677 00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:50,200 Speaker 1: LB in Wonderland. There is no such thing as a 678 00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,280 Speaker 1: fake eat girl. There are only girls who are different 679 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,440 Speaker 1: varying levels of falling in love with something that the 680 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:58,439 Speaker 1: society generically considers to fall under the nerd culture category. Right, 681 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:03,839 Speaker 1: so the fake girl that's a good costume actually being 682 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,400 Speaker 1: a fake gig, being a real fake girl. How do 683 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,400 Speaker 1: you do that? I don't know. You re dressed as 684 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,200 Speaker 1: the meme. You gotta have some kind of clever. I'll 685 00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:14,279 Speaker 1: think about that later. Um, I did dress up as 686 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 1: a generic enemy girl. I think that's what it was. 687 00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:22,600 Speaker 1: My character was generic Asian anime character, and I was 688 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:26,640 Speaker 1: wearing a school girl uniform that was just for one event. 689 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,000 Speaker 1: It again, I'll never do it again because I actually 690 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,200 Speaker 1: busted two tires and had to go to the varsity 691 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:34,960 Speaker 1: and weigh on someone to help me change tires in 692 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,960 Speaker 1: that costume. Oh Man, on a day that wasn't dragon Con, 693 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,680 Speaker 1: nor was it Helloween. If someone's birthday party who loved 694 00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:42,840 Speaker 1: dragon Con and wanted to have their birthday party that 695 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,040 Speaker 1: trader of vix and so they asked us to dress up, 696 00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,719 Speaker 1: and I did it because it was their birthday. I 697 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,279 Speaker 1: would like that to be known. Okay, you were doing it, 698 00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:54,479 Speaker 1: you were acting for a friend. I understand. I won't 699 00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:58,239 Speaker 1: make I hope there's no pictures. I've often felt that way, 700 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,879 Speaker 1: but I guess our hopeful note. I just wanna once 701 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:08,000 Speaker 1: again reiterate sharing is what makes fandom beautiful, what helps 702 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,759 Speaker 1: it grow and thrive and become better, not shutting out 703 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,040 Speaker 1: like a fandom that you'd never allowed a change and 704 00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:17,279 Speaker 1: you never allow new people in will die right and 705 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,160 Speaker 1: it's so much fun because, like I said, I get 706 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,640 Speaker 1: caught onto your excitement. The reason I haven't watched and 707 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,279 Speaker 1: i've seen it before, The Winter Soldiers because I know 708 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,399 Speaker 1: how much you love it, so I know it's gonna 709 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,399 Speaker 1: be even better watching it with you. And that's why 710 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,279 Speaker 1: I'm like, this is fun even though like I like 711 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,000 Speaker 1: it a lot and I watched it a lot, but 712 00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,279 Speaker 1: I don't like, I'm not all into it as you are. 713 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,200 Speaker 1: That you have a costume that you keep fixing up 714 00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,360 Speaker 1: and making better each year, the arm four point oh 715 00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:45,360 Speaker 1: yea um. But like that's the thing is a true fandom. 716 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,680 Speaker 1: If you're a true fan, you would want other people 717 00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:51,080 Speaker 1: to understand it too. Yeah, and at varying levels. Just 718 00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:54,399 Speaker 1: the fact that you're willing to watch the movie, that's 719 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,160 Speaker 1: all I'm excited. I wish we had video footage of 720 00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,560 Speaker 1: that time you read the list of best Marvel movies 721 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:03,279 Speaker 1: and you're reactions from worst to best, And as it 722 00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,640 Speaker 1: get gets further and further, and the winner Soldier hasn't 723 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:10,200 Speaker 1: been announced, right, number one is number one, and then 724 00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,160 Speaker 1: it was number one. This is turning into the Winter 725 00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:20,080 Speaker 1: Soldier podcast. I apologize, See this is fandom, Um, but 726 00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:23,359 Speaker 1: I hope that I hope that we can make it 727 00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:27,399 Speaker 1: a better place, a safer place for everyone. Yes, and 728 00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,239 Speaker 1: we would love for you listeners to write in if 729 00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,719 Speaker 1: you've had experiences with fake geek girl being called out 730 00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:37,520 Speaker 1: and toxic fandom. What costumes are you working on? If 731 00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:39,960 Speaker 1: you're gonna be at Giant Con twenty nineteen, let us know, 732 00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,000 Speaker 1: Come find it. I'll be in all black with Any's backpack. 733 00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:46,160 Speaker 1: Come find me my very recognizable black pack pack. Yep. 734 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:48,880 Speaker 1: You can email us at Stuff Media, mom Stuff at 735 00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:50,960 Speaker 1: i heeart media dot com. You can find us on 736 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,719 Speaker 1: Twitter at mom Stuff podcast and on Instagram at Stuff 737 00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,480 Speaker 1: I've Never Told You. 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