Speaker 1: From the King of Sports Books comes the King Sports
Speaker 1: Podcast Unleashed, presented by bet MGM. Here's your host, Joanna's
Speaker 1: Papas and Olivia Harlan Decker. Welcome to Unleash, brought to
Speaker 1: you by bet MGM. This is Jana's pappas and of
Speaker 1: course I am here with the very pregnant Olivia Harland Decker.
Speaker 1: I'm in Los Angeles, She's in the Midwest. This show
Speaker 1: comes to you from all over the world. Another huge
Speaker 1: week in sports, Olivia, we saw Arrol Spence Jr. In
Speaker 1: a brutal fight, really fighting on the inside. Those guys
Speaker 1: really knocking each other. He added yet another title, eating
Speaker 1: your Dennis Uga. Can you say that name your Dennis Uga?
Speaker 1: Dennis Uga? I would have pronounced it u g a
Speaker 1: my alma mater. So this improves Errol Spence Junior. No.
Speaker 1: And this is setting up a monster fight with Terence
Speaker 1: Crawford that everyone is excited about. The boxing world has
Speaker 1: not been excited about a fight like this since the
Speaker 1: last time Jake Paul laced up to gloves or at
Speaker 1: least tweeted about boxing. So this is gonna be amazing
Speaker 1: and the antitions patient is crazy. But my favorite sport.
Speaker 1: Your husband's pedigree is on full display right now. The
Speaker 1: NBA playoffs are in full swing. I'm watching every game, Olivia.
Speaker 1: Are you watching? What do you think I am watching?
Speaker 1: It's so exciting because you know, there's no Lebron, there's
Speaker 1: no Kauai, there's no some of this stars that we
Speaker 1: thought we'd see. But we've got plenty of stars left.
Speaker 1: And I like a guy like Anthony Edwards. This has
Speaker 1: been his coming out party. The Timberwolves are really peaking
Speaker 1: at the right time. They have my interest. I am
Speaker 1: in on the Timberwolves, and I got to say, honest,
Speaker 1: as a comedian, I had to bring this up with you.
Speaker 1: My dad was on the call and that play in
Speaker 1: game versus the Clippers when that lady glued herself to
Speaker 1: the court, and you may need to watch your back
Speaker 1: because I think he made a pretty hilarious joke. Let's
Speaker 1: roll that in What's take? So, Joannest, what are you
Speaker 1: so passionate about that you would do something like that,
Speaker 1: like what's a cause? Because for her it was something
Speaker 1: about chicken. What was it for you? Well? First off,
Speaker 1: shout out to Kevin Harlan. I mean, the kid has
Speaker 1: comedic timing. I mean, perfect, perfect joke, perfect time, kind
Speaker 1: of diffuse the situation. Glad he saw the humor in it,
Speaker 1: because that was one of the funniest things I think
Speaker 1: that's ever happened at a basketball game. Obviously, you don't
Speaker 1: want fans doing things like that, but she did do it,
Speaker 1: and in retrospect, I mean, it's one of the stupidest
Speaker 1: things I've ever seen a human being do. I don't
Speaker 1: know what her cause was, but I mean, you know
Speaker 1: it was stupider than the cause was. What she decided
Speaker 1: to do. She judge glue herself to the court. I
Speaker 1: am so passionate about Sam Decker being in the NBA
Speaker 1: that I will run out on the court. I will
Speaker 1: run out on the court with a I love Sam
Speaker 1: Decker signed with my shirt off, and I will get
Speaker 1: a tattoo. I will say Team Decker, hashtag Team Decker
Speaker 1: on my chest and streaked like it's the movie Old
Speaker 1: School right across the court, and have your dad who's
Speaker 1: calling that game, pretend that he doesn't know who I
Speaker 1: am and I don't work with his daughter. That's the
Speaker 1: That's what I that's the extent I want to go
Speaker 1: to to get Sam Decker back in the NBA. I'm
Speaker 1: sick of this, yes, especially about to be a new father. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree. I would glue myself to the court too
Speaker 1: for that one. Okay, so who are you cheering for it?
Speaker 1: I don't know who your team is when the Knicks
Speaker 1: are out of it. I'm a free agent. I'm a
Speaker 1: free agent. I'm an absolute free agent. Just an admirer
Speaker 1: of the game of basketball. I gotta say right now,
Speaker 1: I am. I'm loving the way the Heat or plant
Speaker 1: I am loving. It's just old school pat Riley, top
Speaker 1: of the food chain defense that we're seeing, just gnarly defense.
Speaker 1: They look like they're in sync. I really like the Heat.
Speaker 1: I think the Heat are gonna go all the way.
Speaker 1: I think they're coming out of the East and I
Speaker 1: think they're winning it. They beat Golden State in the finals.
Speaker 1: I'm calling it early shocking the world. Okay, I like it.
Speaker 1: I like the Heat. Tyler Hero, you know, as a
Speaker 1: guy from Milwaukee, a Wisconsin guy. And speaking of which,
Speaker 1: we've got another Wisconsin guy coming on the show in
Speaker 1: a bit. It's Mike Renner from Pro Football Focus. He's
Speaker 1: gonna get us ready for the NFL Draft. That's just
Speaker 1: a week away. I can't wait. You know, Janna's eight
Speaker 1: teams do not have a first round pick. This is
Speaker 1: a very weird draft. Their speculation that there's not going
Speaker 1: to be a single skill player taken in the top ten,
Speaker 1: so we've got to pick myke sprain about that. But
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a big day regardless that first day
Speaker 1: for the two New York teams, as the Jets have
Speaker 1: picks number four and ten and your giants Joanna's have
Speaker 1: picks five and seven. Exciting. Yeah, hopefully, um we get
Speaker 1: some online help. I can't wait to talk to Mike
Speaker 1: about that. We need some big boys. We need some guys.
Speaker 1: I know the scouts look at everything, hopefully looking at
Speaker 1: guys who like to eat a lot of McDonald's, a
Speaker 1: lot of fast food, and their big bodies. We need
Speaker 1: a couple three four pound guys to at least give
Speaker 1: whoever's quarterback I assume it's gonna be Dangel Jones a
Speaker 1: little chance to try to throw that ball. Do you
Speaker 1: have any big, hairy Greek cousins who live in the
Speaker 1: area who could help the amount? I mean, you gotta
Speaker 1: have someone, you know, I have one, My cousin vacities.
Speaker 1: But you know, he likes cigarettes and coffee a little
Speaker 1: bit too much, you know, So I don't know if
Speaker 1: I don't know. You know, he's about six four, but
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, I think his lungs are about eighty
Speaker 1: years old, so he's not available. Okay. I didn't know
Speaker 1: if they could really get the draft entirely and just
Speaker 1: go get your cousin vacilli. Does that? You say it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can't. Yeah, I don't think it's gonna work out. No, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I mean this draft is crazy, like last year. Last
Speaker 1: year was a sexy draft. There were so many quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: We definitely knew Trevor Lawrence's going number one, and we
Speaker 1: really kind of knew the top three. This year, there's
Speaker 1: not a lot of people agree on, Like, no one
Speaker 1: knows the number one overall pick. The quarterbacks are waying
Speaker 1: not so exciting, and there's so much to talk about though,
Speaker 1: so we got to get a draft expert on. But
Speaker 1: before we get to football, we've got a lot to
Speaker 1: talk about in the NBA. There's a lot of news
Speaker 1: this week, a lot of opinions this week, honest, and
Speaker 1: you know you and I are not short on opinions.
Speaker 1: It's time to unleak. Let's do it. I was waiting
Speaker 1: for you to go n Look. One of the best
Speaker 1: games we saw so far was Game one between the
Speaker 1: Celtics and Nets. Oh my gosh, was that good. We
Speaker 1: knew this was going to be an incredible series. After all,
Speaker 1: the Nets are not a typical seven seed. They are
Speaker 1: much better than that. But already this series has given
Speaker 1: us an instant classic. Jayson Tatum gave the Celtics their
Speaker 1: first ever buzzer beater in playoff history. I cannot believe that.
Speaker 1: How is that possible? That spin move at the end,
Speaker 1: that was gorgeous. Kyrie nearly carried the Nets to a
Speaker 1: Game one win. Katie kind of have an off game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Kyrie had thirty nine points, but it was after the
Speaker 1: game all anybody wanted to talk about was how he
Speaker 1: got into it with fans. Kyrie has become a polarizing
Speaker 1: player this season, you know, on the road, all the
Speaker 1: stuff with the vaccine, but especially in Boston where he
Speaker 1: left them after saying he would plan to stay on
Speaker 1: in Boston. But this game it seemed way too personal,
Speaker 1: really personal. The fans were letting him have it, and
Speaker 1: you know, he let him have it to He had
Speaker 1: thirty nine points, like I mentioned, six assists, two middle fingers.
Speaker 1: Not a bad So have a listen to what he
Speaker 1: said after the game. So if some somebody's gonna call
Speaker 1: me out of my name, I'm gonna look at them
Speaker 1: straight in the eye and see if they really bout it.
Speaker 1: Most of the time they're not. I gotta read to
Speaker 1: that point. Do you feel like the hostility that you
Speaker 1: get still, let's not let's not focus on this, like
Speaker 1: ask me questions about the game, like it's not about
Speaker 1: the fans. The fans aren't playing from a basketball standpoint, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you feel like the hostility you get, there's no hostility, bros. Basketball. Well,
Speaker 1: you were flicking people off. I'd say that some hostility
Speaker 1: from what what? What point are you guessing that that's hostility?
Speaker 1: Are Like? Hostility for me is like growing up. Well,
Speaker 1: we've never seen that from you this season where you
Speaker 1: are running down the floor flicking people off. It's the
Speaker 1: first time you actually caught it. Because it's a big
Speaker 1: time game. I respond in different ways, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I'm not trying to focus on that. If
Speaker 1: you want to ask me a question about the fans
Speaker 1: go ask them, go on the street and ask them questions. Right,
Speaker 1: but I'm asking from your perspective, from basketball perspective. Do
Speaker 1: you feel like the hostility that you get not hostility, bro,
Speaker 1: Do you feel like the energy you get from fans
Speaker 1: in this building? Embrace it from you? Embrace it. Embrace it.
Speaker 1: It's the dark side, embrace it. So look, I think
Speaker 1: he wants to be the villain. I do, and that
Speaker 1: is such a role. It's the heel, right. I think
Speaker 1: he likes it, but then he has to explain himself after.
Speaker 1: And you know, Katie is kind of sensitive. Kyrie is reactionary.
Speaker 1: It's almost like when someone and honestly, I know you
Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about here, when someone comments or
Speaker 1: d ms you something really mean on social media. This
Speaker 1: happens to me and you respond. They always come back
Speaker 1: really nice, you know what I mean, Like, oh, I'm
Speaker 1: so sorry, I'm a big fan. I didn't think you'd respond.
Speaker 1: It's like, well, why do you just call me a
Speaker 1: horrible name or whatever. It's just classic group think. Whether
Speaker 1: it's behind your keyboard or you're in the same jersey
Speaker 1: as a bunch of people in the stands, you get
Speaker 1: bolstered by this group. Think. So I don't like fans
Speaker 1: getting nasty, and I think Kyrie has suffered enough this
Speaker 1: year with a vaccine nonsense. It's okay to boo, it's
Speaker 1: okay to cheer against a player or a team, of course,
Speaker 1: but people are nasty and they take it way too far.
Speaker 1: And it followed him into the locker room, like fans
Speaker 1: who somehow have access down there, we're still heckling him
Speaker 1: on the way into the locker room. So look, I've
Speaker 1: heard it even as a sideline reporter. I'm not a
Speaker 1: player on either team. I've heard horrible heckling from drunk,
Speaker 1: middle aged men in the stands. To me, people are
Speaker 1: just weird at games. They're drunk, they're charged. It's this
Speaker 1: macho energy in the air. And let's face it, Boston
Speaker 1: fans are not known for being tasteful or fair. Sorry
Speaker 1: Boston listenership, but you know that's your reputation. So this
Speaker 1: is going to be very interesting to watch it continue
Speaker 1: to play out this week. I'm on team Kyrie here
Speaker 1: just because the fans can be so nasty. It's not
Speaker 1: fair that these highly successful, driven specimen of human beings
Speaker 1: one percent type people and I'm talking about the athletes
Speaker 1: that they have to sit there on their hands, stay
Speaker 1: quiet and classy when some low life are yelling at
Speaker 1: them drunk at a game wearing a jersey with another
Speaker 1: man's last name on the back. Do you hear what
Speaker 1: I'm saying? Honest? Do you agree? I hear what you said.
Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying, great unleashed. Look, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: piggyback off of what you're saying because it really struck
Speaker 1: a chord with me. As a comedian. You know, I
Speaker 1: postings online all the time. People comment, they say horrible things.
Speaker 1: I do comedy. We get heckled all the time. It
Speaker 1: happened to me the other night in Phoenix, and it's
Speaker 1: just awful. And sometimes you cave into it and you
Speaker 1: you realize that you should have ignored it. Sometimes you
Speaker 1: respond and you smashed the person, especially when you're performing live,
Speaker 1: which is what is relevant here, and it works. But
Speaker 1: when you're a basketball player, Look, I can't argue with
Speaker 1: what Kyrie did because his stat line was impeccable, so
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say it affected his play at all. Also,
Speaker 1: Boston fans, to agree with you are the absolute worst
Speaker 1: they take it too far. I don't know what they
Speaker 1: were saying. And look, I get I agree. I think
Speaker 1: it's fine that Kyrie responds. If it doesn't affect his game,
Speaker 1: it doesn't affect the team. I don't know what happened
Speaker 1: in the locker room there, but all I know is
Speaker 1: Boston fans they are the worst. But you know, you
Speaker 1: do have kids watching, You do have kids in stands.
Speaker 1: You have kids who didn't hear or say what Kyrie
Speaker 1: was reacting to. So throwing up the middle fingers. He
Speaker 1: has to remember, you know, this is not a comedy club,
Speaker 1: it's not the Late Show. You know, he's making up
Speaker 1: scene gestures. He's obviously gonna get fine for that. I
Speaker 1: would recommend that. I'm sure the coaching staff is telling him,
Speaker 1: You've got to ignore it. Alright. The only birds I
Speaker 1: want to see in Boston are Larry and that's about it.
Speaker 1: I mean, you shouldn't be flipping the bird during a
Speaker 1: playoff game when millions of people are watching, so, you know,
Speaker 1: and it's always something with Kyrie, that's the thing. It's
Speaker 1: just like, like I said, I get it, but because
Speaker 1: I'm a comedian, I can empathize. But with Kyrie. It's
Speaker 1: just always something outside of basketball. And I don't know
Speaker 1: if that's a distraction for the team. I don't know
Speaker 1: how Katie feels about that, because Katie's a guy who
Speaker 1: likes to just put his head down and grind and
Speaker 1: when and Kyrie wants to talk about vaccines, about whether
Speaker 1: the Earth is flat, and about Boston fans all the time,
Speaker 1: and god knows whatever else he's talking about. So they're
Speaker 1: in a dog fight right now. The Boston Celtics are
Speaker 1: for real. And so look, somebody slipped Kyrie irving some
Speaker 1: iver mecton to chill him out and get him back focused.
Speaker 1: And really the war is not with the Boston fans.
Speaker 1: You're a professional athlete. I mean that happens all the
Speaker 1: time at adversaries stadiums. Look, I think if he if
Speaker 1: they win, he's vindicated. Oh it's Kyrie, That's just how
Speaker 1: he is. Like I said it, stat line is impeccable.
Speaker 1: If they lose, you're gonna see a lot of people
Speaker 1: going like, you know, Kyrie is a distraction, and that
Speaker 1: some of those people might be his teammates. You know,
Speaker 1: it's it's all the press is talking about. It's all
Speaker 1: he was doing during the game. So I think this
Speaker 1: depends on the outcome of the series, but it's not
Speaker 1: a good look to flip the bird to do that
Speaker 1: in the middle of the game when cameras are on you.
Speaker 1: So Kyrie, just chill ou and place some hopes. Just
Speaker 1: know you're in Boston, dude. You know, sometimes you gotta
Speaker 1: know when to ignore them, and this is one of
Speaker 1: those times. The best way you can deal with Boston
Speaker 1: fans and Boston crowds is to ignore them and punish
Speaker 1: them with your play. So I'm pulling from the Brooklyn
Speaker 1: Nets because they're playing Boston and I hate Boston in retrospect.
Speaker 1: It really sucks they got this draw. It really sucks that,
Speaker 1: you know, getting the play in and the seventh seed,
Speaker 1: like they probably are just like damn, and now we
Speaker 1: have to go to Boston. And they knew this was
Speaker 1: gonna be a thing like this is yeah, this is rough.
Speaker 1: They they should have tried to, I don't know change
Speaker 1: that at the end, but they had to play themselves in.
Speaker 1: They had to get here. So it'll be very interesting
Speaker 1: to watch the record on Tuesday. Boston's up one game nothing.
Speaker 1: They play again Wednesday. But this is gonna be a
Speaker 1: fiery first round series. I love this, but yeah, just
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Speaker 1: Mike Runner. Okay, Mike. It's fair to say that there
Speaker 1: was a lot more interest in last year's draft. We
Speaker 1: pretty much knew the top three picks. Obviously, the trait
Speaker 1: lance thing was kind of a curveball, but we had
Speaker 1: so much information on this quarterback heavy class. But look,
Speaker 1: you could argue that this draft is actually more exciting
Speaker 1: because we really don't know the first pick, let alone
Speaker 1: what comes after that. I know you think it's Aidan
Speaker 1: Hutchinson to Jacksonville. Can you explain that prediction? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: agree with that that I honestly think this draft is
Speaker 1: more intriguing. I get that there's less interests. Eight teams
Speaker 1: without a first round pick. That's obviously gonna drive that down.
Speaker 1: But I might not get a single pick right in
Speaker 1: my mock draft. That's how crazy this draft could go.
Speaker 1: Because I think it's gonna be Aidan Hutchinson. I think
Speaker 1: he should be the numb one overall pick. He very
Speaker 1: well may not be the They can fall in love
Speaker 1: with Trayvon Walker, the Georgia ed rusher and sort of
Speaker 1: the physical tools that he has. Because I mean, for
Speaker 1: two hundred seventy pounder, he's more athletic or tested out
Speaker 1: more athletic at least than someone like Myles Garrett, who
Speaker 1: obviously you know as an elite edge rusher in the NFL.
Speaker 1: But I think it's gonna be a Hutchinson because one
Speaker 1: that Jacksonville staff mainly tread bulky at GM who everyone
Speaker 1: you know, every Jags fan was calling for his head
Speaker 1: all off season. One of him gone, the clown mass,
Speaker 1: the clown emoji's all over Twitter that you saw calling
Speaker 1: for him to be gone. He needs to hit on
Speaker 1: this pick. You know, he doesn't have to wait for
Speaker 1: a Trayvon Walker to develop. He doesn't have that time.
Speaker 1: You need the best player. You need a guy who's
Speaker 1: gonna impact in two. To me, that's Adan Hutchinson. He
Speaker 1: was the best defensive player in college football last year
Speaker 1: and to the high ceremony, and like his athleticism itself
Speaker 1: is getting slept on. In my opinion, he's a high
Speaker 1: end agility athlete for the position. His three cone his
Speaker 1: short shuttle at the combine were elite times for a
Speaker 1: guy his size. In fact, like he had the second
Speaker 1: best wait adjusted three cone his combine started since we've
Speaker 1: been tracking Combay data since two thousand. Number one of
Speaker 1: that list is J. J. Watts. That's good company to
Speaker 1: be in athletically if you're talking about a guy that
Speaker 1: no one overall picks. So that's my take on it,
Speaker 1: But like I said, I still have no idea if
Speaker 1: they're actually going to go through with that. The first
Speaker 1: QB you have going is Malik Willis from Liberty going
Speaker 1: sixth overall to Carolina. What separated him from the pack
Speaker 1: in your opinion, what are you here to justify that?
Speaker 1: It's the tools, it's arm strength. I mean, whether it's
Speaker 1: on tape, you see it from the pocket, outside the pocket,
Speaker 1: wherever you wanted. He also the fastest Miles Prower at
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, fast Miles Prower at the combine the dude
Speaker 1: as can So he has that and he also can
Speaker 1: run his mobile and he broke more tackles than Kenneth
Speaker 1: Walker did last year at Liberty. And yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: lower level of competition, but he is elusive. He is
Speaker 1: going to be in that tier one of runners at
Speaker 1: the quarterback position, like like a Josh Allen, like a
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray. And what he can add on to your
Speaker 1: running game. But what he can do is a scrambler.
Speaker 1: So those are good starting points for a quarterback. You've
Speaker 1: also seen him make improvements over the course of his career.
Speaker 1: He takes to coaching well, is a good kid by
Speaker 1: every measure. You saw the picture of him at the
Speaker 1: combine giving homeless man is sneakers like he He is
Speaker 1: by all accounts, a guy you want to bet on
Speaker 1: going forward. And that's what the NFL drafts highlight, and
Speaker 1: that's what the NFL covets is the guy that can
Speaker 1: take you to the highest end. Like if you're in
Speaker 1: the A s C right now with an average quarterback
Speaker 1: trying to go up against DeShawn Watson, Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes,
Speaker 1: you don't have a chance. Joe Burrow like, you need
Speaker 1: the high end players, so he brings those to the
Speaker 1: table where other guys in this quarterback class may not. Now,
Speaker 1: to be fair, you don't think there's any reason to
Speaker 1: take him or any quarterback higher than six because quarterbacks
Speaker 1: typically get overdrafted. Yes, they get overdrafted. They're going to
Speaker 1: be overdrafted this year's draft. This is the lowest we're
Speaker 1: gonna have the top quarterback on the PFF draft boards.
Speaker 1: Since we started doing draft boards in we haven't had
Speaker 1: a quarterback lower than ten. That was Mr Robiskie back
Speaker 1: twenty that seventeen draft, and we're gonna have Milik Willis.
Speaker 1: I think he's twenty seven, and that's the first quarterback
Speaker 1: on the PF after Alfward. So we are decided lululo
Speaker 1: on this quarterback class last year, like we talked about
Speaker 1: last yep, top, I think five quarterbacks would have gone
Speaker 1: before Milik Willis last year, like Mac Jones would have
Speaker 1: still gone before Malik Willis if he was in last
Speaker 1: year's class. You mentioned Mr Drabinsky. He obviously signed with
Speaker 1: the Steelers. They have some big shoes to fill with
Speaker 1: Big Ben retiring. But do you think they're interested in
Speaker 1: still taking a quarterback in the first round? Maybe let
Speaker 1: Canny Pickett stay put at that facility? Oh, they're interested.
Speaker 1: I mean we were down at the Senior Bowl watching
Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin hawking these quarterbacks, following their every move. He's
Speaker 1: reportedly taken every single one of the top guys out
Speaker 1: to dinner prior to their pro days. He has been
Speaker 1: watching these guys doing all the due diligence possible. Now
Speaker 1: do they still take one TBD. I mean, like he
Speaker 1: could do all that due diligence and come on the
Speaker 1: fact that they all stink. That's a very real possibility
Speaker 1: in this quarterback class. But I do think that any
Speaker 1: of these guys I'd rather have the Mr. Biscuit at
Speaker 1: this point compared to what they have on the foster.
Speaker 1: That still might be an upgrade, even if it's a
Speaker 1: quarterback three in this draft class. Yeah, nice, I just
Speaker 1: wanted to clarify. You said Malik Willis. He's a good guy,
Speaker 1: no red flags, so he's like a good guy like
Speaker 1: Johnny Manziel or Deshaun Watson. Just teams are ready for him.
Speaker 1: He's yeah, he doesn't Well, I guess, I guess the
Speaker 1: Shawan didn't actually have any red flags coming out, so
Speaker 1: you never know that. I will say, yeah, but he
Speaker 1: by all accounts is not going to get jamed for
Speaker 1: that at this point in time. So your top five
Speaker 1: picks are all defensive events and offensive tackles That won't
Speaker 1: get an average NFL fan too excited. However, that can
Speaker 1: change a team in a season. Uh, can you give
Speaker 1: us a sales pitch that should get these fans exciting
Speaker 1: about the players you're having going top five. The sales
Speaker 1: pitch I give for positions like that and especially offensive tackle,
Speaker 1: is to look how much those guys get paid on
Speaker 1: their second contracts. They get paid one plus mill million
Speaker 1: dollars for average above average guys in the offense tackle position,
Speaker 1: because there's only about twenty five guys in the in
Speaker 1: the world right now who are six ft five with
Speaker 1: thirty four inch arms that can move in mirror Von
Speaker 1: Miller's of the world, So there's not enough to go around.
Speaker 1: Everyone needs one. And so if you draft a guy
Speaker 1: like an offensive tackle, if you draft one of those
Speaker 1: guys top five and he's good, you're saving yourself twenty
Speaker 1: million dollars that you don't have to pay that guy
Speaker 1: in free agency. And again you're getting something that every
Speaker 1: single team in the NFL needs. And that's why I
Speaker 1: have them going high is because you can count on
Speaker 1: one hand the amount of fan bases that are happy
Speaker 1: with both of their offensive tackles, their left and right tackle.
Speaker 1: And that's with the NFL today, with the passing game
Speaker 1: as it is, everyone needs that position. So that's that's
Speaker 1: my sales pitch for teams for fan bases that might
Speaker 1: want to sexier position like wide receiver, but invest in
Speaker 1: the offensive line. It'll pay off dividends. Alright, Mike, you're
Speaker 1: you're preaching to the choir. I'm a Giants fan. They
Speaker 1: have the fifth pick, and uh so, talk to me.
Speaker 1: Are we gonna have a winning season? You know what firsthand?
Speaker 1: Then you've seen they You know they signed Kenny Golladay.
Speaker 1: You draft to Darius Sony, you think, oh, look at
Speaker 1: this high powered offense and your quarterbacks plans back and
Speaker 1: it goes nowhere. That is why you invest in the
Speaker 1: old line first, and then you get those other pieces around,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, we'll start to look good. Now,
Speaker 1: well they have a winning season. I'm not gonna go
Speaker 1: that far just yet. I love the coaching staff, the
Speaker 1: front office they've put together there. I do think there's
Speaker 1: still a few years away. They have to pay for
Speaker 1: the sins of the past. What Dave Gettlman left there
Speaker 1: was an abomination, truthfully, the roster mis management, the cat mismanagement,
Speaker 1: how much they're paying mediocre players right now is obviously
Speaker 1: why he's not there anymore. So I think there's still
Speaker 1: a couple of years away. But I believe in this
Speaker 1: staff to get the job done. I'm not gonna come
Speaker 1: out here and Gas retires. Be honest. I can't lie
Speaker 1: to you. I can't lie to you. It makes for
Speaker 1: a long season on this show, and every week we're
Speaker 1: having to talk about the giant star now onto a
Speaker 1: real franchise. I'm a Packer fan, and everyone knows that
Speaker 1: we need receivers, although knowing Aaron Rodgers, I don't think
Speaker 1: he gives trust very quickly to young guys, let alone rookies.
Speaker 1: And we have the twenty second pick. I know you
Speaker 1: put Cristal Lave there from Ohio State as one of
Speaker 1: the most pro ready receivers, but what about filling that
Speaker 1: need in free agency? What's your overall take on what
Speaker 1: the Packers are going to do at that position? Oh man,
Speaker 1: I really wish I could tell you what the Packs
Speaker 1: is gonna do at that position, but I've been wrong
Speaker 1: so often with them. I'm a Packers fan as well,
Speaker 1: originally from Milwaukee, so I have been begging for a
Speaker 1: wide receiver. Knew I heard a little accent to Milwaukee. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was like Key Higgins at the back end of
Speaker 1: the first round. No brainer, they go. Jordan's love last year,
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is a loaded wide receiver class. They
Speaker 1: go cornerback. I think this is the year they finally
Speaker 1: pulled the trigger. I mean they quite literally have to.
Speaker 1: With Davante Adams no longer there anymore, they need to
Speaker 1: just fill out the receiving corps. But I think after
Speaker 1: signing Sammy Watkins, who say what jew will about him,
Speaker 1: he's still a competent number two, number three type of
Speaker 1: wide receiver. After signing Sammy Watkins, I think they're good
Speaker 1: there to just they're gonna take one wide receiver in
Speaker 1: this class. It will be in the first round, second round.
Speaker 1: I don't know. But what they have coveted when they
Speaker 1: do draft wide receivers, which isn't awful. The last time
Speaker 1: they use the top I believe top was Davante Adams back.
Speaker 1: They draft size, whether it's you know, Jordy Nelson, James Jones,
Speaker 1: throughout their history, those are two hundred plus pound type
Speaker 1: of wide receivers or just thickly built. Even Randal Cobb
Speaker 1: for a shorter wide receiver, is still well built. So
Speaker 1: that's their type. Guys like you know George Pickens, Trailing Burke,
Speaker 1: George Pickins and Georgia, Trailing Burks from Arkansas, sky More
Speaker 1: from Western Michigan. Those are guys who fill that mold
Speaker 1: in terms of the size they usually covered. So those
Speaker 1: are the names I would keep an eye out when
Speaker 1: they do draft wide receiver. I say, when hoping that
Speaker 1: they do, but TB D and if they actually follow
Speaker 1: through on that, because my gosh, on paper, right now,
Speaker 1: that's a bottom three wide receiver corps in the NFL,
Speaker 1: which is just horrible. After all the drama of getting
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers back and again he's very trigger shy. He's
Speaker 1: not going to throw it to anyone. In fact, he's
Speaker 1: gonna make you earn it. It just makes me very
Speaker 1: nervous for the remaining years of Aaron because it feels
Speaker 1: like we kind of missed our window. We could go
Speaker 1: on a whole packer tangent right now, but that's what
Speaker 1: it looks like to be. That's why I think if
Speaker 1: I had to pick any two wide re series, it
Speaker 1: would be George Pickens or sky More because they have
Speaker 1: the best hands in the draft class. He's gonna trust
Speaker 1: the guy who's going to be where he needs to
Speaker 1: be and has good hands. If he's gonna trust anyone
Speaker 1: out the gate, that's it would be. But you're a
Speaker 1: hunter saying correct, like his m O is two or
Speaker 1: three years before he's even looking your way in that offense.
Speaker 1: So that's why I think it might be ugly out
Speaker 1: the gate here, Pikes, you honest were in for a
Speaker 1: long season. Yeah. Well, I'm a Giants fan, so I'm
Speaker 1: used to it. It's still in the North, that still
Speaker 1: in the NFC North. Yeah, that's our best, our best asset.
Speaker 1: Do you think there's a chance we don't see a
Speaker 1: skilled player drafted in the top ten. I know Peter
Speaker 1: King floated that idea this week. You think that's possible.
Speaker 1: I think it is because of where the strength this
Speaker 1: class lie, whether it's offensive tackle edge, which we just
Speaker 1: talked about, and then cornerback as well as very strong
Speaker 1: and very thin compared to wide receiver, where wide receivers deeper,
Speaker 1: and we see it every year. You know, this team's
Speaker 1: drafting at the top of the draft can also find
Speaker 1: a good guy in the top of the second round,
Speaker 1: whether it's you know, like those Elijah Moore last year,
Speaker 1: it's Tee Higgins, Michael Pittman two years ago, Depot Samuel
Speaker 1: Even the year before that count still falls at that
Speaker 1: position that can be game changing talent into the second round,
Speaker 1: whereas often to tackle Edgic doesn't. So like the teams
Speaker 1: I would look out if anyone is going to pull
Speaker 1: a trigger on a wide receiver, Atlanta at number eight
Speaker 1: or the Jets at number ten, those are the two teams.
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone else is really even realistically and
Speaker 1: played the draft. That being said, are there any receivers
Speaker 1: like the ones you've mentioned who could have an immediate
Speaker 1: impact like we've seen the last couple of years with
Speaker 1: a Justin Jefferson, a Jamaar Chase or are those just
Speaker 1: such rare cases? I think those are rare cases that
Speaker 1: the wide receiver one in this class, to me, it's
Speaker 1: Jamison Williams, Alabama wide receiver. Yeah. Him having the A
Speaker 1: c L obviously kind of puts that one to bed
Speaker 1: in terms of him making the media impact. Wide receiver
Speaker 1: two is Drake Leondar from usc And while I love
Speaker 1: him translating to the NFL, love his ball skills, the size,
Speaker 1: he's not very fast. You know, Jefferson ran four for one.
Speaker 1: I believe Jamar Chases in the four three is like
Speaker 1: those guys who are explosive athletes. I think those are
Speaker 1: more rare cases. I would put this entire wide receiver
Speaker 1: class behind the top three last year that came off
Speaker 1: the board and Chase Waddle and Davante Smith. I think
Speaker 1: all these guys are step behind them. But there are
Speaker 1: a lot of guys in that tier that are step behind.
Speaker 1: So I think you get some productive guys, but I
Speaker 1: don't see anyone going yards, you know, from day one
Speaker 1: type of number one wide receiver. So Mike, Jameis and
Speaker 1: Williams obviously tours a c L in the National Championship Game.
Speaker 1: There are questions about his health. Although guys come back
Speaker 1: from a c L tears all the time, but he
Speaker 1: may not be ready by the start of the season.
Speaker 1: Is that going to hold some teams back with that
Speaker 1: lower his draft status. I think it will some teams.
Speaker 1: You know, some teams, while obviously are on the side
Speaker 1: of caution when it comes to injuries and look elsewhere,
Speaker 1: but not too much. I think a lot of people
Speaker 1: are gonna look at kind of the most recent scenario
Speaker 1: of this, where Jeffrey Simmons towards a c L, the
Speaker 1: Titans defensive tackle on the free draft process slips to
Speaker 1: nine team and if you redrafted that draft class, he'd
Speaker 1: be a top five pick. You know, he's the top
Speaker 1: defensive tackle easily from that draft class. So I think
Speaker 1: a lot of teams are regretting that and seeing that
Speaker 1: the draft it's not just a year one decision, it's
Speaker 1: a long term decision at this point, four months out.
Speaker 1: With the medical rechecks here this month, you know where
Speaker 1: you don't whereas recovery is going to go after an
Speaker 1: A c L. You know whether he's going to have complications,
Speaker 1: have issues, and which none have been flagged yet, which
Speaker 1: is why I think you've seen him move up boards
Speaker 1: and mock drafts or not. So his timeline puts them
Speaker 1: towards the middle, like realistically early the middle of next
Speaker 1: season to actually be on a football field. But even then,
Speaker 1: I would draft that guy as the wide deep one
Speaker 1: this class. I would take him as you know, a
Speaker 1: top ten player from the falcons of the Jets. I'd
Speaker 1: be willing to pull the trigger on a guy like
Speaker 1: that because speed like he has game breaking speed, it
Speaker 1: never lasts long in the NFL draft. And compare him
Speaker 1: to guys like Henry Ruggs or Darius Heyward babe, who
Speaker 1: have been top ten picks and years past. He's got
Speaker 1: much much better tape. Don't need to bring it back
Speaker 1: to the Giants, But I mean, you know, I'd be
Speaker 1: remiss if we had you on here and I didn't
Speaker 1: ask this question. How committed do you think the Giants are?
Speaker 1: Did Daniel Jones? What do you think they're gonna do?
Speaker 1: Specifically with their two first round picks? Are we going
Speaker 1: to see a replacement coming in? Very uncommitted? I'll say
Speaker 1: I think they are options wide open. They're gonna obviously
Speaker 1: give him a trial run, you know, you know there
Speaker 1: they came in knowing that they're kind of handcuffed to
Speaker 1: him in a to a degree. But I don't think
Speaker 1: you're going quarterback in this year's quarterback class. I think
Speaker 1: what they're doing is, like I said, they left a
Speaker 1: rough situation there for the staff. I think they're kind
Speaker 1: of gonna clear house, reset this roster, and then try
Speaker 1: to attract the top talent. We've seen quarterbacks on the
Speaker 1: move more so in the past three years than ever before.
Speaker 1: Quite literally, the last two Super Bowl champions were quarterbacks
Speaker 1: that weren't on the roster the year prior, with Tom
Speaker 1: Brady and Matt Stafford. So you can go out and
Speaker 1: find one if you put together a good situation for them,
Speaker 1: if you put together a good roster around them. So
Speaker 1: they're gonna give Daniel Jones a trial run if it
Speaker 1: doesn't work out with an improved offensive line, which they
Speaker 1: should have obviously drafting off the line in top ten.
Speaker 1: If he is not that guy, if he doesn't look good,
Speaker 1: he's to the curb and they're looking elsewhere, maybe be
Speaker 1: a trade or wherever they can in the next year's draft. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that sounds about right. I got one last question. When
Speaker 1: these teams are drafting, how much do they look at
Speaker 1: the grades of the guys? Does that matter at all?
Speaker 1: Like if the guys a straight a student, does that
Speaker 1: matter or do they take that into account what he
Speaker 1: majored in, Like if he majors in, you know, physical
Speaker 1: therapy or sociology, whatever, is there a difference? They're okay,
Speaker 1: certain teams will care about things like that. And a
Speaker 1: big thing that's an underrated like red flag for some
Speaker 1: certain teams is if they're like two good students, is
Speaker 1: if they have too many interests outside of football. That
Speaker 1: starts to take guys and drop guys on more. This
Speaker 1: is not a joke. This is actually dead serious that
Speaker 1: if a guy is too interested in other things, like
Speaker 1: if he has strong hobbies outside of football, that will
Speaker 1: be seen as a negative in a red play in
Speaker 1: certain people's eyes. So you gotta hit that sweet spot
Speaker 1: of not loving other stuff too much but not caring
Speaker 1: too little. You have to be right in the middle
Speaker 1: of how much you care about, you know, other things
Speaker 1: in life, but you gotta love football at the end
Speaker 1: of the day. He's right, it's the NFL's it's the NFL.
Speaker 1: Over care. I'm having a son in about three weeks,
Speaker 1: and I'm just gonna make sure he has no other interests.
Speaker 1: It's all sports, baby, no time for games. He's gonna
Speaker 1: be a top five pick. It's gonna be a top
Speaker 1: five pick. No, in all seriousness, my my husband was
Speaker 1: drafted in the NBA. But we just we're having this conversation,
Speaker 1: and he said that some NBA teams called local bar
Speaker 1: owners in Madison, Wisconsin to ask what kind of guy
Speaker 1: Sam was, and that they ended up telling them, yeah,
Speaker 1: I told him you never had an issue, you know,
Speaker 1: never want a fight, never stiffed your tab, nothing like that.
Speaker 1: But boy do they do their research. And like the
Speaker 1: movie Draft Day, like we see it ended up coming
Speaker 1: down to players not being invited to a birthday party.
Speaker 1: And a lot of area scouts are more private investigator
Speaker 1: than they are like a valuator of talent for these teams.
Speaker 1: Like they have to dig into backgrounds to find stuff
Speaker 1: more than just like tell me how good this guy
Speaker 1: is on tape. You know, the report is all like
Speaker 1: background information, talking to people around him, seeing just who
Speaker 1: the guy is. So it's a big investment. You know,
Speaker 1: these guys a lot of money. You've got to be
Speaker 1: smart about it to do. They check the social media
Speaker 1: profiles too, to see what they're posting and stuff like that. Sometimes,
Speaker 1: I mean some there's some guys that have slipped through
Speaker 1: though with some rough stuff. I remember Geronimo Allison. You
Speaker 1: probably remember this Packers. He had tweeted something. I don't
Speaker 1: know if I should say it, but he tweeted some
Speaker 1: sexually explicit stuff, shall we say, prior to getting drafted
Speaker 1: that was still pops up or still did pop up
Speaker 1: when he was still in the NFL. Like how they
Speaker 1: missed that? How did they miss that? It's the agent
Speaker 1: that usually tell them to scrub that stuff. But like
Speaker 1: a lot of the agents, especially for like smaller time guys,
Speaker 1: are trying to just like cast a wide net and
Speaker 1: their agents for a lot of different players, and so
Speaker 1: they don't get a lot of attention from that agent
Speaker 1: and they don't know what the hell they're doing pre draft.
Speaker 1: They're just trying to catch on somewhere. So that slips
Speaker 1: and cracks Geronimo Allison, Yeah, I had forgotten about that
Speaker 1: until you brought that up. Okay, one more quarterback question.
Speaker 1: Will we see Baker Mayfield moved on draft Day? What's
Speaker 1: the latest with him? What are you hearing from teams
Speaker 1: who might be interested? So I'm hearing no one's interested.
Speaker 1: It's the thing is why they're really struggling here because
Speaker 1: of how his contract is set up. So it's a
Speaker 1: fifth year option, which it's now guaranteed when you exercise it,
Speaker 1: but it's not guaranteed or it doesn't hit your cap.
Speaker 1: If that guy's trade did so, it's eighteen million dollars.
Speaker 1: If they cut them out right, they have to pay
Speaker 1: him eighteen million dollars this year. If they trade him,
Speaker 1: they don't have to take any of that catpit. The
Speaker 1: new team that traded for him pays that eighteen million dollars.
Speaker 1: So there's only maybe a couple of teams in the
Speaker 1: NFL right now that would even consider it. The thing
Speaker 1: is one of them, as the Pittsburgh Steelers, who's in
Speaker 1: the division, who they obviously would have no interest in
Speaker 1: really trading him too as a division rival, but they
Speaker 1: can kind of basically say hold him hostage or hold
Speaker 1: the Browns hostage, and say, you know you're gonna have
Speaker 1: to give us picks to give to us to take
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield because it's going to you have an active
Speaker 1: interest in wanting him off your team because of that
Speaker 1: cap hit. So I think that could be what we
Speaker 1: end up seeing is they actually trade away picks and
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield to have another team take Baker Mayfield, whether
Speaker 1: it's the Seahawks or someone else who's a quarterback needy team,
Speaker 1: maybe the Carolina Panthers if they don't draft quarterback in
Speaker 1: the top ten. So I think that's where it's at.
Speaker 1: Even if Baker Mayfield, like objectively, still should be one
Speaker 1: of the thirty two starting quarterbacks in the NFL when
Speaker 1: he is good and healthy, he is better than that.
Speaker 1: It's just everyone kind of found their quarterback and the
Speaker 1: Browns missed the boat. That's brutal. He's got a good agent, though.
Speaker 1: I mean he's got a good agent because he did
Speaker 1: a lot of commercials, his commercial marketing to Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's got a great marketing agent. Because I was saying, like,
Speaker 1: why is he had so many commercials? He's not that great.
Speaker 1: He's a little bit of a squeak. You can't even
Speaker 1: see over the offensive line. They should have did commercial
Speaker 1: about that, about stretching him out a little bit. He's
Speaker 1: a little person. I was gonna say all those ones
Speaker 1: where it's he's living at the Brown Stadium, probably a
Speaker 1: little awkward right now. If he's still living there, he's
Speaker 1: probably very awkward. Okay, Mike, one last thing. Can you
Speaker 1: leave us with a hot take on something you're predicting
Speaker 1: happens on draft nights, something that might be a little
Speaker 1: out there, unexpected hot take, maybe someone trading up. I'm
Speaker 1: bad at doing hot takes. I'll just say that I
Speaker 1: think the hottest stake I have is that the Detroit
Speaker 1: Lions end up selecting a quarterback in this class. I
Speaker 1: think Detroit with kind of where they are as a
Speaker 1: roster and you know, with Jared Goff is kind of
Speaker 1: this lame duck year where they can't really cut them
Speaker 1: because the cap hit. But I still want him on
Speaker 1: the roster. I think they draft quarterback number two overall
Speaker 1: and let them develop, and I think it's gonna believe Will.
Speaker 1: So that's my hot take is Blieu will skills number
Speaker 1: two overall. WHOA, that's a great hut. Actually, you said
Speaker 1: you don't do hot takes, but that one was sizzling.
Speaker 1: I'm not good at them because they don't come true.
Speaker 1: It's more what I was saying, my hot takes are
Speaker 1: all pretty trapped. Well, you know you got you got
Speaker 1: a nice chain out there. I like you chain. I did.
Speaker 1: I wanted to wait to the end of the interview
Speaker 1: to say that's that's a nice right there. Appreciate it.
Speaker 1: You got mine too. I pulled mine out because you
Speaker 1: had yours out. Yeah, Chan gang not bad, honest for
Speaker 1: a white guy from Wisconsin. Huh, not bad at all.
Speaker 1: They really Scott's boys do not have swags, sadly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you guys both look like you're from the Midwest. I
Speaker 1: feel like I'm gonna I'm on a German chat right
Speaker 1: now with you. Guys. Oh, Mike, you're a trooper. Thanks
Speaker 1: so much for coming on. You can follow Mike Renner
Speaker 1: at PFF Underscore. Mike, thanks so much for all the
Speaker 1: great insight, and we're really looking forward to seeing how
Speaker 1: much of this you got right next week, although you've
Speaker 1: predicted none of it, so this will be great. Thanks,
Speaker 1: thank you. I'm looking forward to it to tv D
Speaker 1: and if I this is all probably gonna turn out
Speaker 1: to be wrong, but that's fine, Okay. Well, as you know,
Speaker 1: we have all the lowdown on the NFL Draft from
Speaker 1: Mike Grinner. That was a lot of fun. We got
Speaker 1: to hear his takes, although he is not very confidently
Speaker 1: honest and what's going to happen because this draft is
Speaker 1: so wacky, it's gonna be it's gonna be interesting. However,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a really fun one to bet. And yes,
Speaker 1: if you are new to the sports gambling world, you
Speaker 1: can bet on the NFL Draft and those lines are
Speaker 1: up on bed MGM dot com on the bed MGM app,
Speaker 1: so check them out. Now. Now we bring in Peter
Speaker 1: Andrew to help us give us a little advice on
Speaker 1: what to do, on what to know. So Peter Mike
Speaker 1: just told us he thinks Aidan Hutchinson from Michigan is
Speaker 1: going first overall. You know a lot of people do
Speaker 1: think that. In Vegas certainly thinks that he is leading
Speaker 1: right now at minus one seventy five as of April nineteenth,
Speaker 1: So as we get closer, that may change. But do
Speaker 1: you expect that to change a lot or is he
Speaker 1: kind of the clear favorite clear favorite to me, you
Speaker 1: saw some things happen the last couple of weeks. Keavon Thibadeaux,
Speaker 1: I think draft stock plummeted a bit. I think Lou
Speaker 1: Hutchinson has stayed the clear cut favorite, most complete player.
Speaker 1: I think he's the immediate guy that can come in
Speaker 1: and just help a team. Put him in Josh Allen
Speaker 1: on the two sides of the defensive line. I mean
Speaker 1: immediate impact for a team that just spent a lot
Speaker 1: of money in the Jaguars this year. I'd expect or
Speaker 1: looking to at least make a push towards the playoffs.
Speaker 1: Give them. They spent to three million dollars um. So
Speaker 1: he's at minus one seventy right now. I would actually
Speaker 1: take it now. I can see that jump into two
Speaker 1: to fifty and so on. As we get a little
Speaker 1: bit clearer towards towards next Thursday. So yeah, I'm with him.
Speaker 1: I'm with pff, Mike. I think that's the logical first. Overall,
Speaker 1: I like how you call him by his Twitter name.
Speaker 1: That's I feel like I call everybody by that. Quarterbacks
Speaker 1: this year, like Olivia mentioned, not not as strong as
Speaker 1: years prior definitely not like last year. Mike mentioned to
Speaker 1: us Malik Willis from Liberty. What is the line looking
Speaker 1: on him? And do you agree that he's gonna be
Speaker 1: the first quarterback taken in the draft. Well, it is
Speaker 1: definitely not the sexy draft. I have top three picks
Speaker 1: being all d NDS first quarterback. I actually have Kenny Pickett.
Speaker 1: To me, it's hard to pick a guy from Liberty
Speaker 1: as the first quarterback off the table. I know he
Speaker 1: had a really good year. Liberty has been a change
Speaker 1: program of late the last special the last couple of years.
Speaker 1: I love Kenny Pickett two way, dual threat game. I
Speaker 1: haven't going to Carolina at six shades of Cam Newton
Speaker 1: for seventy five seven years, whatever it was, I think
Speaker 1: clearly a better arm. He is a great two way threat.
Speaker 1: You've got guys like Dj Moore Robbie Anderson that he
Speaker 1: can get the ball too, and he's got a rule
Speaker 1: named after him now with that fake neal that he
Speaker 1: ended up running in for a touchdown. So he's the
Speaker 1: complete package to me in a in a Nazo sexy draft. Here,
Speaker 1: he's at plus one thirty. I think Malik Willis is
Speaker 1: somewhere around minus one fifteen, so it's pretty close. It's
Speaker 1: pretty much even money. But cann He Pickett to me,
Speaker 1: has just been the more complete player watching him a
Speaker 1: pit all year, I mean, phenomenal talent, So I'm taking
Speaker 1: the dog here. The thing about Malik Willis, though, that
Speaker 1: I think people forget, is he transferred from Auburn, like
Speaker 1: he's He wasn't some low level quarterback coming out of
Speaker 1: high school or anything. He's an Auburn transfer who saw
Speaker 1: an opportunity and Hugh freezes offense. So that's why I
Speaker 1: think people in the draft are really hot on Milik
Speaker 1: Willis because he kind of is the SEC caliber quarterback
Speaker 1: who saw a better opportunity at a small school with
Speaker 1: a great offensive minded coach. But no, it's it's interesting
Speaker 1: and going six overall to Carolina, you know, just uh boy,
Speaker 1: Caroline is kind of a mess. But I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's it's crazy that a quarterback's potentially not going
Speaker 1: top five but maybe even dropping lower than that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for me, it's it's less about his talent and more
Speaker 1: about the talent he was playing all year, So playing
Speaker 1: Liberties Conference first, playing SEC defensive players is going to
Speaker 1: be significantly different. Not to say that Canny Picket at
Speaker 1: every team in the a SEC was a premier talent
Speaker 1: like Limson is, but you've got You've got a good
Speaker 1: sample size of what he can do against pretty good
Speaker 1: defensive teams. So it honestly can go either way. I
Speaker 1: can see them both going probably first fourteen or fifteen,
Speaker 1: but it's gonna be We're really interesting. Who do you
Speaker 1: want to take a shot on? And I guess ultimately
Speaker 1: what are you looking for? Probably pick it a little
Speaker 1: bit more of the dual threat where he's got really
Speaker 1: good legs, not not beefy like a Cam Newton was
Speaker 1: as an example. But Tom will tell a week away
Speaker 1: all right, Well, I hope it works out for everybody.
Speaker 1: I hope especially it works out for my giants and
Speaker 1: they get some old linemen so beat next week. As
Speaker 1: we look ahead and we'll get way more into this.
Speaker 1: What will open up at bet MGM for what people
Speaker 1: can bet on the draft. Yeah, so obviously for right
Speaker 1: now we only have things basically for the first round.
Speaker 1: You'll see the rounds open up subsequently for each day,
Speaker 1: so you'll have an ability to bet all six rounds.
Speaker 1: We'll also do call it exact as kind of like
Speaker 1: in horse racing, where you can bet one, two, and
Speaker 1: three consecutive, essentially like in a parlay together. So if
Speaker 1: you have a really good feeling that you know, for me,
Speaker 1: it's Hutchinson, Walker, Thibodeau one two three, So a little
Speaker 1: bit of pandering to U j Olivia, but but you
Speaker 1: can parlay those together and instead of taking them all
Speaker 1: at a different price if you feel good about it,
Speaker 1: put them all together for plus a thousand and plus
Speaker 1: fift hundred and then over under on specific players. So
Speaker 1: over under on can you pick it, as an example,
Speaker 1: five and a half or over under on him eight
Speaker 1: and a half if you think he's gonna go to
Speaker 1: the second quarterback. So turning real betting opportunities like spreads
Speaker 1: and over unders into the draft where it's not just
Speaker 1: about results, So a cool way for us to kind
Speaker 1: of mishmash a little bit of what we do. Be honest,
Speaker 1: you should do this, do that one to three. You're
Speaker 1: in New York, you can do it. I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do a pdo. I'll text you after this
Speaker 1: and you know, you walk me through a sweetheart. You
Speaker 1: got it. If you can see, I give him a
Speaker 1: little gun shot thumbs up. And in retrospect, that was
Speaker 1: a little weird. Yeah, pdge, you let's talk a little
Speaker 1: bit about Hoops, the playoffs, the playing system. I love it.
Speaker 1: I know it's moving the lines all over the place.
Speaker 1: It looks like a lot of these teams were not
Speaker 1: prepared for the physical play and how much the reps
Speaker 1: We're gonna let them play. You see the way Memphis
Speaker 1: got beat up. It looks like they're a little light
Speaker 1: in the ass. That probably has got the lines moving,
Speaker 1: like the stock market. What's going on? Well, I think
Speaker 1: I probably have to address my traunto pick of last week. First.
Speaker 1: It seems like I was dead wrong about the Raptors.
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm officially on the Sixers, clean Sweep, four
Speaker 1: oh bandwagon Boy. They look really good and they're playing
Speaker 1: complete basketball. So let's just get that one out of
Speaker 1: the way. Let me just say, in your defense, that
Speaker 1: was a stupid pick no matter what, So there to
Speaker 1: be different. I guess there's some great series. I think
Speaker 1: the Celtics nexts one that you guys talked about is
Speaker 1: a really good one and that's probably the series to watch.
Speaker 1: But there are some blood baths now. I mean the
Speaker 1: Heat just absolutely smoked the Hawks the other day. Sons
Speaker 1: look really good. Bucks look really good. I think there's
Speaker 1: a lot of these first round series that are meaningless.
Speaker 1: But what I got, and I mentioned this last week,
Speaker 1: Golden State looks awesome. Golden State took Game two yesterday.
Speaker 1: I think they were down fifteen at one point in
Speaker 1: the second quarter and just completely dismantled the Nuggets. And
Speaker 1: it shows what what the Nuggets have to deal with.
Speaker 1: If you don't have top talent that can defend on
Speaker 1: the perimeter, you're in a lot of trouble. So it
Speaker 1: wasn't just Clay, it wasn't just Staff, it was Jordan Poole.
Speaker 1: I mean, you've got a lot of perimeter shooting Draymond
Speaker 1: as well. What's going to be interesting is you start
Speaker 1: seeing them play teams like the Suns. Eventually in the
Speaker 1: conference finals, can they keep up with a guy like
Speaker 1: Hayton because interior defense is gonna be the liability. So
Speaker 1: so far, it's I know, it's only been a couple
Speaker 1: of games really good. I'm all in on the Warriors bandwagon.
Speaker 1: So the couple of things I've been looking at is
Speaker 1: Warriors to beat an exact team, So Warriors to beat
Speaker 1: the Sixers, Heat and Bucks, those different prices. I like
Speaker 1: the Warriors to take take care of the Suns in
Speaker 1: the conference finals, and then it's beating the Sixers, beating
Speaker 1: the Heat, beating the buckst one. You can sprinkle ten
Speaker 1: twenty on each of those and you have a pretty
Speaker 1: decent sized payout. I know the Sun's look really good again.
Speaker 1: I said this last week. They're just too chalk. Vegas
Speaker 1: knows it. Everyone knows it, and it's hard to bet
Speaker 1: them because it's just you're you're betting a lot to
Speaker 1: win a little at this point. So something has to
Speaker 1: happen where they go down a couple of games in
Speaker 1: a series in my opinion, for you even think about
Speaker 1: betting them, because plus two hundred to win the NBA
Speaker 1: Finals is essentially nothing on the futures market. Well, let's
Speaker 1: look games specific as this air's Thursday. There are two
Speaker 1: big games Thursday night. You mentioned Golden State is up
Speaker 1: to games on Denver, but that spread is only one
Speaker 1: and a half points favoring the Warriors. Obviously, Why is
Speaker 1: that number so low? Yeah, I think they just assumed
Speaker 1: Denver is gonna be rocking. I mean, not much has changed.
Speaker 1: Denver did look really good in the first half, but
Speaker 1: it's just can they compete with the levels of that
Speaker 1: perimeter shooting. So it's probably a little bit of a
Speaker 1: trap line, but it's one of those things until I
Speaker 1: see otherwise, I think you have to take the Warriors
Speaker 1: and they probably went in four, maybe in five. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then Dallas Utah that series is tied up. They
Speaker 1: play Thursday as well, and that's a little bit bigger.
Speaker 1: Utah favored by seven and a half. What do you
Speaker 1: think about that number? Yeah, I guess it depends. I
Speaker 1: don't know what Lucas situation is right now. I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's just day to day. But Jillon Brunson
Speaker 1: and Max Cleber they looked awesome. I mean they the
Speaker 1: name of their game yesterday was as little turnovers as possible,
Speaker 1: and that's what led them to six seven point when
Speaker 1: whatever was So if they don't turn the ball over,
Speaker 1: they got a shot. But hard to do that two
Speaker 1: games in a row. So I'm probably either going to
Speaker 1: tease down the Jazz or take them out right at
Speaker 1: that seven or six and a half, whatever it ends
Speaker 1: up in. Is there a rule of thumb in playoffs
Speaker 1: with point total because it seems like it's such a
Speaker 1: different game in the playoffs. Yeah, it's you know, I
Speaker 1: have friends that talk about ref matchups, So what refs
Speaker 1: are actually calling the games? Are they going it's like
Speaker 1: the old Jordan games, like the old nineties games, like
Speaker 1: who's going to call the game? Is gonna be bullyball?
Speaker 1: Are they gonna let you get away with stuff? Are
Speaker 1: they gonna call every tikki tack foul? And I think
Speaker 1: that's actually somewhat logical to think about. If you're gonna
Speaker 1: call every tiki tach foul and you're playing the Warriors
Speaker 1: or playing the Nets as an example, and you're gonna
Speaker 1: have Kyrie and Katie at the line thirty times, then
Speaker 1: it's probably good to take the over because the clock
Speaker 1: stop in every half a minute. But it depends. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's so many variables. I typically stay away from the
Speaker 1: over unders. I like to just take take spreads for
Speaker 1: that reason. But it varies, and you'll have some series
Speaker 1: where it's a U when you're playing you know, the
Speaker 1: old Memphis Grizzlies of a couple of years ago, where
Speaker 1: you have like Zach Randolph and those guys where you
Speaker 1: know they're gonna be low scoring games and you know
Speaker 1: what to expect. But a lot of these teams can
Speaker 1: get hot and hot, meaning score a hundred forty points
Speaker 1: like it's nothing, which is crazy, and you know nowadays NBA, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's with the three point line. And that was a
Speaker 1: great question because really I watched a couple of these
Speaker 1: games and the refs really swallowing their whistle and a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff. And so let me take you to
Speaker 1: the young exciting matchup Memphis and Minnesota. That's gonna looks
Speaker 1: like it's gonna go back and forth. What's the line
Speaker 1: looking like for that? And who do you got? Uh?
Speaker 1: It's funny with Memphis that like traditionally they are more
Speaker 1: efficient team without jaw, but jaws incredible to watch. I
Speaker 1: want to lean them because I think they have such
Speaker 1: a complete team. But that is one of those series
Speaker 1: that can go six seven games. That to me is
Speaker 1: one of those toss ups. One of those teams probably
Speaker 1: doesn't go that far. So second third round you don't
Speaker 1: see them. There's this is one of those where they
Speaker 1: just beat each other up, so Lean Memphis, but it's
Speaker 1: a toss up. I mean, you have such a good
Speaker 1: young Minnesota team. Anthony Edwards is awesome to watch, so
Speaker 1: hopefully you see them more years to come. And it's
Speaker 1: not just the one off here, but this is the
Speaker 1: future of the NBA in that game, right there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, for sure, good stuff, Pete, Thanks so much.
Speaker 1: There's a lot to bet on this weekend. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be a lot of fun. But next week we definitely
Speaker 1: got to roll up our sleeves and really dig into gambling.
Speaker 1: The NFL Draft and you, Honese, I may be a
Speaker 1: texting you a couple of ideas as you are an
Speaker 1: illegal gambling state of which I live in Kansas City.
Speaker 1: Is Missouri or Kansas going to legalize first? That's a
Speaker 1: funny question. So without without getting too political on this,
Speaker 1: but there seems like they're fighting with one another to
Speaker 1: see who can who can get it done first. It's
Speaker 1: always been Kansas on the list. I'd love to lobby
Speaker 1: for either one. Yeah, right, one of them is coming.
Speaker 1: I think you know, they're both trying to aim for
Speaker 1: this year, which will be exciting. But I think they're
Speaker 1: fighting to see who can get into Okay, yeah, because
Speaker 1: we have two states, So I really don't care at
Speaker 1: this point. I don't care, so our big Kansas City listenership,
Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll appreciate that. Final question, Pete, thanks so
Speaker 1: much for your time. We appreciate you as always, and
Speaker 1: we'll talk to you next week. See A. Well, that
Speaker 1: was a lot of fun. Thanks so much to Mike
Speaker 1: Runner for Pro Football Focus for sharing us a little
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