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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 1: the White Tail Woods presented by First Light, creating proven

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Speaker 1: versatile hunting apparel for the stand, saddle or blind. First

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Speaker 1: Light Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. This week on

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Speaker 2: the show, I'm joined by Jake Hoofer to discuss best

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Speaker 2: practices for planning out your year of upcoming wildlife habitat improvements.

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome back to the Wired to Hunt podcast,

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Speaker 2: brought to you by First Light and their Camo for

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Speaker 2: Conservation initiative. And today we are continuing to kick off

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five by looking forward into the new year

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Speaker 2: and planning out what this new year might hold. Last week,

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Speaker 2: Tony and I were kind of talking about our own

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Speaker 2: personal plans. This week on the show, I want to

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Speaker 2: look forward toward things on a wildlife habitat improvement kind

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Speaker 2: of scale land management. How we can improve things for

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Speaker 2: our deer hunting, for the biodiversity, for wildlife or recreation,

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Speaker 2: whatever your goals are, That's what we are exploring today.

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Speaker 2: How do we put a plan in place, how do

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Speaker 2: we prioritize our projects? How do we choose the right

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Speaker 2: things to work on. How do we do that in

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Speaker 2: an effective way? And my guest today is someone who's

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Speaker 2: really going to be able to help us do that.

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Speaker 2: This is Jake Hoofer. He is the host of the

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Speaker 2: Land Podcast, owner of the Whitetail Master Academy, previously was

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Speaker 2: a host of the Exodus Trialcam radio podcast and ran

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Speaker 2: their YouTube stuff over there and right, all sorts of

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Speaker 2: great content in the hunting and management space. And today

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Speaker 2: he is going to share his experience both as a

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Speaker 2: landowner and habitat manager himself, as well as being somebody

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Speaker 2: who has interviewed and toured farms of, and sold farms for,

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Speaker 2: and learned from all sorts of great deer and land

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Speaker 2: managers themselves. He's been able to kind of pick the

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Speaker 2: brains of some of the best of the best when

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Speaker 2: it comes to this stuff land improvement, land management, improving

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Speaker 2: things for whitetail habitat and wildlife habitat. Jake's been able

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Speaker 2: to cover it all. He's chatted with the best of

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Speaker 2: pick his brain about was all, you know, two things.

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Speaker 2: Number one, his experience, what's worked for him, and then secondly,

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Speaker 2: you know what he has learned from those best of

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Speaker 2: the best, and how those might be applied or how

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Speaker 2: we can apply those lessons to our own experiences. So

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Speaker 2: that's the game plan today, and that is what I

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Speaker 2: think we should just jump right into rather than beating

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Speaker 2: around the bush. So here is my chat with Jake Hoford.

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Speaker 2: All right with me on the line now, is Jake Hoeford.

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Speaker 3: Jake, how are you doing well? Happy New Year?

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Speaker 2: Happy new year to you too, man. I'm glad we're

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Speaker 2: kicking off the new year here together talking about something

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Speaker 2: we both enjoy, which is getting out there on the

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Speaker 2: How much have you been able to give thought to

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Speaker 2: the next year yet? Are you kind of still recuperating

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Speaker 2: from New Year's Eve festivities and the last hunting season

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Speaker 3: I don't think it ever stops, tell you the truth.

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Speaker 3: And I was in bed by ten o'clock on the

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Speaker 3: Year's eve, but it never really stops. And I think

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Speaker 3: third weekend of December. And that's a weird feeling. I

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Speaker 3: And it's always a challenge too, because everything Ytai hunting

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Speaker 2: Man, Thank goodness, there's an excuse like that, getting out

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Speaker 2: a question for it, just for context. How much ground

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Speaker 3: I would say a little over one hundred acres, probably

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Speaker 3: one hundred and one hundred and fifteen with free reign,

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Speaker 3: completely different types of farms where I live. It's kind

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Speaker 3: this is a much different type of ecosystem, much better

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Speaker 3: and it's pretty rugged, and you know, they're not very

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really cool, and that that seems like a

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Speaker 3: So yeah, absolutely, Yeah, and on ones a forty ones

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Speaker 3: as reels like the issues everyone faces across the board.

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Speaker 2: Of the fun. Yeah, So you talked about this kind

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all a little bit different based off of I

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Speaker 3: now and I look at that like, oh, yeah, that's

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Speaker 3: There's always more to do than what you have time for.

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Speaker 3: So I've actually done different pockets where one year I'll

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Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't really want to find anylers that bad.

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Speaker 3: And so I'm a I get a hard time for

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Speaker 3: some of my friends, like you're just you go too fast,

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Speaker 3: So that's probably the number one thing to do this

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Speaker 3: And the invasives, there's a lot of I've interviewed at

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Speaker 3: think it would have worked if I would have left it

433
00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:55,679
Speaker 3: where it was at. So I think a lot of

434
00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,560
Speaker 3: the mistakes are just not doing what you know you

435
00:20:58,640 --> 00:20:59,160
Speaker 3: need to do.

436
00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:00,399
Speaker 2: Uh.

437
00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:02,840
Speaker 3: And maybe that's easier for some people than others. But

438
00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,080
Speaker 3: if there was a you hunted all season, like man,

439
00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:07,760
Speaker 3: they all come out of this corner of the field,

440
00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:09,760
Speaker 3: and I just I don't know why that is, and

441
00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,720
Speaker 3: I wish I could get over there, but this or this, this,

442
00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,240
Speaker 3: this or this doesn't allow me to do it. If

443
00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:16,800
Speaker 3: there is a way to make it happen. And you

444
00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:20,720
Speaker 3: notice that's what's always occurring during the season, make the

445
00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:24,000
Speaker 3: move and plan for it. And it's November every single

446
00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,560
Speaker 3: year at the same time, like we all make it.

447
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,399
Speaker 3: It's going to happen. This upcoming November is going to happen.

448
00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,320
Speaker 3: And when you realize this November, you wish it was

449
00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:36,480
Speaker 3: set up that way, use this time to actually do that.

450
00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:41,679
Speaker 3: Or another example would be at my house, we used

451
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:43,520
Speaker 3: to be an old cattle pasture, and there's a lot

452
00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:46,280
Speaker 3: of interior fencing, which is actually pretty cool that that's

453
00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,199
Speaker 3: already in place. And I remember thinking, they all come

454
00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,640
Speaker 3: out of this north corner of it, and it would

455
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,200
Speaker 3: be really nice if on this corner of this creek,

456
00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:55,960
Speaker 3: if they could cross right there. And so I just

457
00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,640
Speaker 3: cut out a chunk of the fence, and sure enough,

458
00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,159
Speaker 3: all the deer like it. It's more of a split thing.

459
00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,200
Speaker 3: I didn't plug up the other one, but it made

460
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,600
Speaker 3: a big impact. And so it's just a lot of

461
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,240
Speaker 3: it is just I would encourage people to think back

462
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:11,760
Speaker 3: on their past season and think really hard and say,

463
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,119
Speaker 3: what what did I notice? What could I do to

464
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,879
Speaker 3: improve things in order and this? Do it whatever that is,

465
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:22,520
Speaker 3: do the self research, figure it out, call buddy, figure out.

466
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:24,520
Speaker 3: You know you've done this project. This is another thing

467
00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:26,439
Speaker 3: I do all the time. I call other guys that

468
00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,240
Speaker 3: have done the projects I'm trying to do, and you

469
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,960
Speaker 3: give them a call. Hey, I know you planned some

470
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:34,879
Speaker 3: some warm season grasses two years ago. What would you

471
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:38,080
Speaker 3: do differently? Oh? Oh I did this, and oh man,

472
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,600
Speaker 3: I definitely wouldn't do that again. Like okay, well, I'm

473
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,359
Speaker 3: definitely going to take your advice here and do the

474
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 3: different thing here. And I think all of it comes

475
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,760
Speaker 3: down to preppoor, which is the boring thing like when

476
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,120
Speaker 3: you paint, when you paint a house or paint your room,

477
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 3: and you got to put up all the tap. You

478
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:56,360
Speaker 3: have to lay out a foundation or the claw, like, man,

479
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 3: this is gonna take forever, and then you give the

480
00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:59,800
Speaker 3: paint sprayer and it's like ye, and it's all done.

481
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,119
Speaker 3: And I feel like the white tail work is a

482
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 3: lot of the putting up painters tape, and then the

483
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,240
Speaker 3: fun is actually the painting, and it's important to have

484
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Speaker 3: the foundation ready to go.

485
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:12,199
Speaker 2: Man, that's so true. So you did the you you

486
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:17,120
Speaker 2: mentioned the one set of trees you planted that were

487
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,880
Speaker 2: stunted because the growth. You mentioned another set another two

488
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 2: thousand or something that you're planting here in like a future.

489
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 2: I meant to ask you what other than not planting

490
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 2: them in straight rows and now planting them in this

491
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 2: prepped meadow of sorts with that mix you mentioned, what

492
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 2: else are you doing different or what specifically are you

493
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 2: doing with this new forest you're planting to make sure

494
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,879
Speaker 2: that it does, you know, pan out the way you

495
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 2: wanted to so what species are you planting, when are

496
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,880
Speaker 2: you doing it, how are you doing it? Anything else

497
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:52,680
Speaker 2: around the details there, because I think there's a lot

498
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,200
Speaker 2: of guys that you have these big open spaces and

499
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 2: they're trying to figure out what do you do with that?

500
00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 2: And like you said, there's like the quick fix things,

501
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:03,119
Speaker 2: but trees take time and a lot of folks, you know,

502
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 2: steer away from that because they want that give me

503
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 2: something right now kind of impact. So with the trees,

504
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 2: what's what's the right way to do it? Or how

505
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 2: are you trying to.

506
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I mean this is a this is a

507
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,399
Speaker 3: pretty interesting case study that I did this past year

508
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,679
Speaker 3: in comparison to the previous year. So I used a

509
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:20,639
Speaker 3: dibble bar. And so a dibble bar is like a

510
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,119
Speaker 3: little spade. You push it down at your boot and

511
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 3: open up a little pocket and then stick the tree

512
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,480
Speaker 3: in there and then close it up. And what happens

513
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 3: You have to trim up the roots a bunch. And

514
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 3: so a j root is when it curls back up

515
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 3: and the tree is going to die. So you have

516
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 3: to trim the roots in order to fit into these

517
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 3: tiny little holes. And so I went down to the

518
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,119
Speaker 3: hardware store and rented a steel auger. It's probably like

519
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 3: thirty forty pounds. It's gas operated at auger. I rented

520
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,920
Speaker 3: that for the weekend and it makes an eight inch hole.

521
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 3: You can put it a lot deeper. And I quickly

522
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 3: realized I needed to buy one of those, because I

523
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 3: know what I was going to get everything down in

524
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 3: a weekend. And so this past year I used an

525
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:58,159
Speaker 3: auger for ninety percent of my trees, and so I

526
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,160
Speaker 3: did not have to trim up the roots hardly at all.

527
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 3: And there's some Chicksaw plums American plums that I planted

528
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 3: this year, hazel not that I planted this year that's

529
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 3: already taller than me. I'm six foot tall and they're

530
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 3: already taller than me. And they started out as a

531
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 3: little four foot bare roots, all.

532
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 2: Right, So there are three or four foot Another are

533
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 2: already six foot six and a half foot seven foot

534
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 2: And comparing that to even some of the trees I

535
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 2: use a dibble bar where you had to trim up

536
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 2: the roots.

537
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 3: They have to regrow those roots. And I'm not a

538
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 3: forester by any means, but or arborous, but it's kind

539
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:29,439
Speaker 3: of common sense. They have to put a bunch of

540
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 3: energy to re establish the roots and then grow. But

541
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 3: when you have a big old root ball and you

542
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,880
Speaker 3: put it into a nice soft soil all the way

543
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 3: around it, they grew phenomenally better. And that was a

544
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 3: very clear indication that it tasts longer. It's more pain

545
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,640
Speaker 3: in the butt, but it's definitely worth it. And even

546
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 3: I did use a treat planner for about seven hundred

547
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 3: trees of the four thousand I've planted, and same thing.

548
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 3: You have to trim up the roots and you know,

549
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 3: side by side. I planted these trees the same weekend

550
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,919
Speaker 3: and those ones did not hardly grow at all in

551
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 3: comparison to the other ones that I took the time

552
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 3: to use an augur and created a forest. And as

553
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,640
Speaker 3: far as different species, I love swamp folks, swamp white

554
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,479
Speaker 3: oak I planted. I planted a bunch of different rides planets.

555
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,479
Speaker 3: Swamp white oak, which is a white oak variety, they

556
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 3: hold their leaves really late, they have really sweet acorns.

557
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 3: I planted pen oak and as a red oak variety,

558
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 3: they hold their leaves really late. They grow pretty fast,

559
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 3: and so it's actually pretty crazy to think I have

560
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,160
Speaker 3: all these different species and I'm hand selecting where each

561
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 3: one of them go. And I planted per simons, different

562
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 3: types of plums, hazelnut, red dogwood, great dog wood, planted

563
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 3: some weird stuff like an anie berry, which I just

564
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:46,640
Speaker 3: wanted to see what those looked like when they got

565
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 3: big and if the deer messed with them. And it's

566
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 3: like all this kind of all these different little things

567
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 3: that you're just trying and to be able to hand

568
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 3: select where day I want a shrub line along the

569
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 3: creek of the red dog wood where they should thride.

570
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 3: And then I want a band of swamp white op oak,

571
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,159
Speaker 3: and then I want to put haze lut in a

572
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,160
Speaker 3: little bit more upland area and just hand select all

573
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 3: these different little pockets and then I'll you see whatever

574
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 3: is most desirable. But I think that one of the

575
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 3: plants I like the most is actually the plums, because

576
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 3: they grow really fast and they start to put out

577
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,119
Speaker 3: fruit in three to four or five years, and I

578
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 3: think that's somewhat of the instant gratification side of things.

579
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 3: But they also don't live super long either, so I

580
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 3: think their lifespans fifteen to twenty years. And then also

581
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,439
Speaker 3: planning just a bunch of white oaks and I've just

582
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 3: had the luxury of walking a lot of different farms

583
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,439
Speaker 3: and I just get to see the different stages of

584
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 3: maybe an old abandoned CRP field where it's maybe twenty

585
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 3: years old and you have a bunch of white oaks

586
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 3: and all you know, shingle oaks, pin oaks, and it's

587
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:47,199
Speaker 3: just it always looks really good and they usually have

588
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 3: really good deer. And that doesn't happen by accident. Someone

589
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 3: took the time to do that, and whoever ends up

590
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 3: hunting that farm twenty years later, it gets to reap

591
00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 3: the benefits of that, and it's uh, it's a long

592
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 3: term plan. It's a very long term plan, and it's

593
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 3: extremely gratifying to do that. And I think depending on

594
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 3: where you're at, this is probably one of the biggest

595
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 3: tips for someone. The state forestries sell tree species at

596
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 3: a very affordable price. So Illinois has a sale and

597
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 3: you have to be ready to go right when it

598
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 3: goes live because a lot of the good species sell

599
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 3: right away. Missouri has another really good sale. Iowa has

600
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 3: a really good sale where you can get these tree

601
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 3: species that are really desirable and they'll ship them to

602
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 3: your door and they're very affordable then going to a

603
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 3: nursery or buying them somewhere online, and I think that's

604
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 3: where I pretty much, but based off what I buy

605
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 3: is what's available that year, because they're growing these bare

606
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 3: root trees and then they're selling it to a conservationist,

607
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,479
Speaker 3: and I think that's a really great resource to if

608
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 3: you want to buy a bundle of one hundred, it's

609
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 3: sixty dollars for a lot of species, for thirty five

610
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 3: dollars for a shrub species, and those are a big thing.

611
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 3: The other thing too, that I know a lot of

612
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 3: guys have not all my trees, and so aesthetically it's

613
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 3: kind of a little ugly, to be honest, but I

614
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 3: know long term I'll be able to take them off.

615
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 3: But I planted some where I did not tube them

616
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 3: and they got eight to the ground. Or I planted

617
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 3: some shrubs that were two foot tall tubes and that

618
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 3: are still too foot tall, and I don't think they'll

619
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 3: ever get dark and two foot it because are two

620
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 3: feet because the deer just browsed them right away. So

621
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 3: I think the biggest thing is protecting those trees. My

622
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 3: plan is some fruit trees. I've not produced any fruit yet,

623
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 3: but one mistake I did was I did not put

624
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 3: a like you put a window screen around the base

625
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 3: of the tree, because in the winter, rabbits can go

626
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 3: in and girdle your tree, your fruit tree. And I've

627
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 3: made that mistake. And so it's just a lot of

628
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 3: different things. But that's and that's the crazy thing about

629
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,959
Speaker 3: hytail land management. We just have only talked about trees

630
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 3: and schritz. I mean, there's a bunch of stuff we

631
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 3: haven't covered that is so important to have a successful project.

632
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 3: But tuning them, prepping the site, I think using an

633
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 3: order is worthwhile and just sit back and watch them

634
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 3: grow and it's very gratifying.

635
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 2: So one of the questions that I have wrestled with

636
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 2: in the past when I have been able to do

637
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 2: stuff on a property, and then I get whenever I

638
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 2: talk to people who are curious about doing this themselves,

639
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 2: and I guess I'm kind of gonna reask the question

640
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 2: I already asked you once, I'm gonna ask a slightly

641
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:28,479
Speaker 2: different way. But when someone's trying to decide where my

642
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 2: biggest weak spot is on my property, right, I've got

643
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 2: maybe I've got a new farm, or I have a

644
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 2: farm that I just haven't been able to do a

645
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 2: lot of stuff on but this is the year I'm

646
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 2: finally going to really work on the place. I'm going

647
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 2: to do something. I'm gonna make it better this year.

648
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 2: But to your point, like, gosh, there's all this stuff

649
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 2: we just talked about with trees, and then of course,

650
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 2: you know, food plots get a lot of press and

651
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 2: they're really exciting and sexy, and then you talked about grasses,

652
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 2: and we've talked about access routes and all that kind

653
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 2: of stuff. I guess I'm wondering, from like a process standpoint,

654
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 2: or like a high level standpoint, how do you recommend

655
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 2: someone you know, determining where to start. I mean you

656
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 2: said earlier access, Is it, excuse me diying over here?

657
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 2: Is access always number one? Or is there something else

658
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 2: or a different process someone can go through to decide, Okay,

659
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 2: where's my weak spot or where's my area of most need?

660
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 2: How do you think through that?

661
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 3: I think every farm has the best spot. I think

662
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 3: you start there, and the best spot maybe is a

663
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 3: tree stand or a blind that you can hunt. You know,

664
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 3: you hear people talk about I can hunt that blind

665
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 3: every day at the season and not get busted. And okay,

666
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 3: well that's pretty interesting, But what about the other best

667
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 3: spot that the axis is not that great? Where I

668
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 3: feel my year this year the axis was not that great,

669
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 3: and I hunted at one time and it worked and

670
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 3: so and how that works is I stayed the heck

671
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 3: out of there until the conditions were perfectly right and

672
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 3: needed an east wind. I really wanted to fall between

673
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 3: the fifth or Wealth of November. It was in between

674
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 3: two betting areas. And to make that, I guess to

675
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 3: boil that down is start with the best spot and

676
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 3: then identify how often can I hunt it and when

677
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 3: should I hunt it? And is there things that I

678
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 3: can do to improve it? And I think that you

679
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 3: know someone that's just starting with something brand new. A

680
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 3: lot of times, the best spot is probably a location

681
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 3: that has pretty solid access, maybe a seven out of ten,

682
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 3: maybe a six out of ten, And then how can

683
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 3: you go in there and improve that. Maybe that is

684
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 3: a micro food plot. Maybe that is fell in a

685
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 3: couple of trees to try to get them to go

686
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 3: where they were, you know, dictate that traffic just a

687
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 3: little bit better. Maybe not anything crazy drastic, but just

688
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 3: a little way to up your odds. I think I

689
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 3: just and maybe do you experience this when you look

690
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 3: at a farm, do you just automatically gravitate towards maybe

691
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 3: one or two spots of like, oh, yeah, these are

692
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 3: two really good spots based off of the sign, based

693
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 3: off the like I feel like as h it automatically

694
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 3: kind of comes to us to say.

695
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 2: It's hard not to. Yeah, it's hard not to do that.

696
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 2: But also I think sometimes the opposite is possible, which

697
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 2: is you gravitate towards where the easiest place to make

698
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 2: an improvement would be. Right. I think like you might

699
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 2: look at a property like, well, there's my opening, Like,

700
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 2: there's already an open spot. That's where I'll do the

701
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 2: food plot, because food plots are fast and they're exciting,

702
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 2: and there's an open spot. And so this is like

703
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 2: a mistake I've made the past, where I got access

704
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 2: to a property I can improve and there was already

705
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 2: an opening in a spot, and I say, all right,

706
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 2: that's it.

707
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 3: That's gonna be the first.

708
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 2: Thing I do. And I'm playing a big old food

709
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 2: plot here in this open spot, and I go and

710
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 2: do it, and then lo and behold, it's it's right

711
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 2: along the route I need to access and every time

712
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 2: I try going for a morning hunting, spooking deer off

713
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 2: this food plot. And you know, two years later, I

714
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 2: had to just let the whole thing go because I

715
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 2: realized it was making things worse for me than it

716
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 2: was in the you know, actually helping me. So I've

717
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 2: made that mistake. So so I have struggled with answering

718
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 2: this question myself.

719
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 3: I guess yeah, I think it comes down to to

720
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 3: the actual I'm trying to just go through my own

721
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 3: thought process here, because I think that sometimes not doing

722
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 3: a bunch of stuff is just as powerful as doing

723
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 3: a bunch of stuff. And I think you're exactly right

724
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,280
Speaker 3: that open area would be great. It'd be so easy

725
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 3: to put in a food plot. But to your point,

726
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 3: it may be more productive to leave it the way

727
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 3: it is or improve it, because I think all white tail,

728
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 3: if you have a piece that you can mess around with,

729
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 3: you just your tinkerer. By default. You want to tinker,

730
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:30,720
Speaker 3: You want to tweak everything, you want to improve everything.

731
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 3: And I have this internal debate quite often. It's like,

732
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 3: I wonder how good that farm would be it just

733
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 3: stayed exactly the way it is, and I just stayed

734
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 3: the heck out of it, and I had to think

735
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 3: that I had a permission, a new permission piece where

736
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 3: I tested that theory and it works, and then I

737
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 3: think like and then the whole time I was like, man,

738
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 3: he's so nice to have a food plot, you know

739
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 3: right over there. They wouldn't have to dive as deep.

740
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 3: And I think that a lot of times, it's it

741
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 3: just comes down to making effect, making the spot as

742
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 3: effective as gospel without doing stuff just because it looks

743
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 3: really good, Because we all get caught up in the

744
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 3: aesthetic of a farm. It's so pretty. Do you see

745
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 3: that food plot? You see how green that food plot is,

746
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 3: or it's just all these different things that we think

747
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 3: as humans and not necessarily is how the deer would

748
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,919
Speaker 3: perceive that when you put a really nice green food

749
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 3: source right next to a giant alfalfa field, and was

750
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 3: that really worthwhile? But I think the biggest thing is

751
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 3: figuring out where the best spot is and then reverse

752
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:32,959
Speaker 3: engineering maybe how to make it a little bit better,

753
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 3: and kind of going all into one spot because I

754
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 3: think a lot of the theme from so many of

755
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 3: the guys that I've talked to, one thing that is

756
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 3: pretty common is they're aggressive in the sense of hunting

757
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:48,879
Speaker 3: when the time is right and making it happen with

758
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 3: whatever mouse trap they developed, or maybe working with what

759
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 3: they have. But they're not aggressive in the sense of

760
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 3: it's November fifth, I have to get to this exact

761
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 3: center of my farm on this one bridge point where

762
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 3: I think it's gonna happened. It's They're very disciplined and

763
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 3: very patient, and I think that's the hardest thing as

764
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 3: hunters across the board, because they they listen to Cody

765
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 3: de Quista, like, oh, he's got to get in there,

766
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 3: he's got to do that, Or you listen to Dan

767
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 3: Infoll if you're passive on it, dear you're teaching them

768
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,959
Speaker 3: and like those are that's in the back of your mind.

769
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 3: But then you also understand that there's a tried and

770
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 3: true method of just sticking to a discipline plan and

771
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 3: trusting that plan. And I think that where you get

772
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:28,720
Speaker 3: in trouble is where you start telling the line between

773
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 3: both of them, like yeah, I think I'm going to

774
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 3: die back in there, and like, oh, I'm going to

775
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 3: stick back to my plan. It's like, well, you might

776
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 3: have shot yourself on the foot there, And that's something

777
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 3: I battle all the time. Is how you got to

778
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 3: get in there. You got to do it. And then

779
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 3: at the same point like, Okay, I tried that, Now

780
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 3: I'm going to go back to the the more disciplined version.

781
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 3: And then it it's like you almost have to be

782
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 3: all in on one or the other.

783
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 2: It almost seems like yeah, and it's also so circumstantial, right,

784
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 2: Like some people, if you have just one little farm

785
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 2: a certain way of hunting, it might be very different

786
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 2: than if you hunt three farms worth three thousand acres,

787
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 2: right Like Code can bounce around to a whole bunch

788
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 2: of different places right that are all great or Dan

789
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 2: can bump around thousands of acres there's a different public

790
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 2: land that he's hunting and scouted. But if I tried

791
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 2: that same attempt on my twenty acres that I is

792
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 2: the only spot I hunt, you know it's not going

793
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 2: to work out so well. So you need to understand, like, Okay,

794
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 2: certain tactics work best in certain types of situations, and

795
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 2: understanding if you are fitting a square peg into a

796
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 2: round hole or not.

797
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think this is probably the biggest piece of

798
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,439
Speaker 3: advice that's not land management, but it kind of works

799
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 3: out in the same fashion. Go get permission on a

800
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 3: few more spots, or go find a couple of public

801
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 3: places that you can burn some hunts on. And sometimes

802
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 3: not hunting your farm is just as productive as hunting it.

803
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 3: And I think that a lot of guys fall into

804
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 3: this trap to I have to hunt it, I have

805
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 3: to week off. I really want to go and that's

806
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 3: fine because you have you have someone that says you

807
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,439
Speaker 3: gotta be out there to kill him. And I question

808
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 3: if those are the guys that are killing the deer

809
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:04,840
Speaker 3: or the quality of deer that they really want to

810
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 3: I mean, if if we're being completely honest, and I

811
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 3: think that where guys struggle is they just they have

812
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 3: to hunt because they have to. And I think this

813
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 3: leading farm as fresh as possible. And then you did

814
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 3: the pop my whole, my whole ethosis upcoming season or

815
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,280
Speaker 3: this last season, just fall my gut. It's like really simple.

816
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 3: We if you listen to white tailed podcasts, you're ate

817
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 3: up by this. You know what to do. Just follow

818
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 3: your gut and don't overthink it. And that's I called

819
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 3: myself where I was the hunts where I would just

820
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 3: go in on a on a gut feeling and just

821
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 3: kind of just go a little bit more instinctual, way

822
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 3: more productive. And then I would catch myself in the

823
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 3: stand thinking, Okay, tomorrow is going to be a southwest wind.

824
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 3: What are some good south wind spots, and just like

825
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 3: really getting overthinking it, and then I'd go do that,

826
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,439
Speaker 3: and it's like, man, this I went here just because

827
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,720
Speaker 3: I thought it would be good in my own brain

828
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 3: and reality. I just talk myself into thinking it would

829
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 3: be good. And I think that comes down to the

830
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,439
Speaker 3: land management. It comes down to everything. It's like, follow

831
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 3: your instincts, follow your intuition, and do what you need

832
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 3: to do. And maybe that's not doing anything, or maybe

833
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 3: that's doing a lot if something needs to get done

834
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 3: that could rascally improve.

835
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 2: A carson, you know. You know, with with the hunting tactic,

836
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 2: like you're talking about, like should I hunt here? Should

837
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 2: I hunt there? You can get feedback on your decision

838
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 2: pretty quickly, right, you can go out there and hunt today,

839
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 2: and then you can determine like do the right thing

840
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 2: or do the wrong thing. So it's a very furs

841
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 2: fast turnaround as far as understanding your decision making process

842
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 2: and if it paid off or not. When it comes

843
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 2: to land management, though, you know, you can do something today,

844
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 2: and can you see a difference next year or is

845
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 2: it two years or is it ten years? You know how?

846
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 2: How like what kind of timeline do you recommend someone

847
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 2: looking at these things on and how quickly could someone

848
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 2: expect to see positive changes seat progress?

849
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 3: That's a fascinating question, because you're right that feedback loop

850
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 3: is a lot longer it. Man, that's an excellent question.

851
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 3: I think some things you could see an improvement on

852
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 3: rather quickly, and I think a lot of it is

853
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:27,800
Speaker 3: just a response of nature and habitat. Like, for instance,

854
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 3: I killed a bunch of that rescue and brone grass,

855
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 3: and then I had and I did a control burn

856
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 3: and I had a bunch of new oak seat seedlings

857
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 3: popping up out of the ground the following sprint. Now,

858
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 3: how does that relate to hunting? It creates better brow

859
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 3: like all these different things. But I think the feed

860
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 3: feedback loop, that is an excellent question. I don't know

861
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 3: when the time is to pull the plug or say that, yeah,

862
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 3: this isn't working, because a lot of it does take time.

863
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 3: You can't you can't make three year old switchgrass in

864
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 3: one year, no matter what you do. And I think

865
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 3: a lot of it is just trust seeing the process

866
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 3: and then having enough self awareness to say, Okay, this

867
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 3: didn't work, how can I improve it. I don't know

868
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 3: when you'd pull the plug. I think the biggest thing

869
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 3: would be if you think a stand location is really

870
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 3: good because of the postseason scouting, and you go in there,

871
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 3: and then the following fall you hunt it two or

872
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 3: three times and you get busted and or this isn't

873
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 3: A really good example is the wind does something drastically

874
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 3: different than what you thought to where it swirls on.

875
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 3: I thought it would be good for a north and west,

876
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 3: north and south wind, but on a south wind it

877
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 3: seems to swirl back over to where I didn't think

878
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,280
Speaker 3: it would go, And I think that that doesn't necessarily

879
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 3: change anything. It's maybe just not hunting on a south wind,

880
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 3: but that comes back to a quicker feedback loop. I

881
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 3: don't I honestly don't have a firm answer on when

882
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 3: to pull the plug on a project. I think, like,

883
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 3: for example, the tree side of things, going into the

884
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 3: first year, there was not much betting our activity around it,

885
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 3: but following year there was more, and then this year

886
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 3: there was even more. There was actually one sit that

887
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 3: was pretty fun. I was sitting there doze around me

888
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 3: and I was here this plastic like crashing, like what happened?

889
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 3: I'm like, and I'm pinned down. There's doze all around me,

890
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 3: like what is that? I ended up being able to

891
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:12,720
Speaker 3: pull my binoculars and there's this like junker old mature

892
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,919
Speaker 3: but just smashing all my tree tubes and all set

893
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 3: and snapping them all off. And so I mean that

894
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 3: then there's a corner of my planning where there's fifteen

895
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 3: trees that got snapped off, like the steak that planted

896
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,280
Speaker 3: the trees, And that was pretty fun to actually witness

897
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 3: and hear it. And I had a camera down there

898
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 3: and I watched the cameras all bristled up, and so

899
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 3: I mean that took three years to that for that

900
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 3: to occur. And so I think the biggest thing comes

901
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 3: down to patients. I think the other side of that

902
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 3: is having a plan that you have a lot of conviction,

903
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,879
Speaker 3: and if you're a wishy washy on the plan, you're

904
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 3: probably not going to see it through and you're gonna

905
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 3: I did this wrong, I don't know. I like, people

906
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,879
Speaker 3: are constantly changing things before it would get good. And

907
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 3: I think that's something that is probably a hard thing

908
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,399
Speaker 3: to battle on. This comes down to having a good

909
00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 3: plan and having conviction in that and easier to than done.

910
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 2: Once again, what makes a good plan?

911
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 3: Then I feel that it would boil down to what

912
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 3: your goals would be, because I think for some people

913
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 3: the plan would be this farm doesn't really hold any deer.

914
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 3: I would just really like to go out and when

915
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 3: I hunt, just see deer. Or I would like to

916
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 3: be able to hunt this blind and have a seven

917
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 3: out of ten chance to shoot a dough. And I

918
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 3: think that plan's a lot easier in a much quicker

919
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 3: feedback loop. I think the other side of I think

920
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 3: it's so situational to where and I battled this initially

921
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 3: where my idea of how I wanted to change the

922
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 3: landscape was whitetail specific. What is simply the best for

923
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 3: white tails. I don't care what the implications are. I

924
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,399
Speaker 3: just wanted to be the absolute best for white tails.

925
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 3: And as I started doing more research and getting deeper

926
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 3: into and it's like, well, maybe I could dial that

927
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 3: back and be kind of cool to plant this and

928
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:02,800
Speaker 3: the pollinator and it'd be pretty cool to do the plant,

929
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 3: you know, I planted quite a bit of native grasses,

930
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 3: and I had a pheasant once and I hadn't seen

931
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 3: a pheasant for everything. Okay, that's pretty cool. And so

932
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,959
Speaker 3: it's almost it's so situational to where there are guys

933
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 3: that are it's white tail specific only and that's all

934
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 3: I care about. And then there's other folks that have

935
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 3: different varying levels of expectations. But the biggest thing is

936
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:27,919
Speaker 3: understanding what possibly the ceiling or maybe glass ceiling would

937
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 3: be on a farm and being ultra realistic with that,

938
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 3: which is hard to do. And I think that's something

939
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 3: that just comes to comes with time. I mean initially

940
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 3: when I moved on forty acres, like, oh man, I

941
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 3: can't I'd love to shoot doing a crock of white

942
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 3: tail behind my house. I don't think that's probably realistic

943
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 3: in a ten year timeline. Maybe a twenty year timeline,

944
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 3: maybe it is. But there's other farms where that expectation

945
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 3: could be a once and a five year occurrence. And

946
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 3: how you would develop a farm with probably cater to

947
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 3: what the quality of the deer and the So that's

948
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 3: why I kind of dial back some of the white

949
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 3: tail side of things of Okay, it's probably you know,

950
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 3: it's gonna be a really fun place to hunt. I'm

951
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 3: really gonna enjoy it, but I probably don't have to

952
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 3: be so extreme and do everything to the tenth degree.

953
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 3: And maybe that's a mistake, but I but once again,

954
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 3: that's the beauty of all this is you get it

955
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 3: catered to what you want. And I think the biggest

956
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 3: thing is being realistic to what you want and what

957
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,760
Speaker 3: is realistic and meshing those two things together.

958
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you alluded to this earlier, the fact that

959
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 2: you know, in your own podcasts you've talked to all

960
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 2: sorts of people about these topics. You've talked to you know,

961
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 2: the best land consultants, land managers, whitetail habitat tacticians. I

962
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 2: mean you've you've talked to them all and I've talked

963
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 2: to a bunch of them. Two and one thing I

964
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 2: have noticed about many of these folks is they tend

965
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 2: to be very and then this isn't this isn't a rule.

966
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,800
Speaker 2: There are exceptions to this, but many of them, I

967
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 2: don't want to figure out how to put this properly.

968
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 2: They're a little bit black and white. There's a lot

969
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 2: of them there like this is the way to do it.

970
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 2: If you don't do it this way, you're a knucklehead.

971
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 2: There's a handful we are very opinionated in that kind

972
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 2: of way, and they're all great, like, they're all doing

973
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 2: their thing very well. So I'm not saying that their

974
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 2: way of doing things doesn't work, but there seem to

975
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 2: be a bunch of different ways that work from what

976
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:24,320
Speaker 2: I've noticed from afar. So I'm curious, from your perspective,

977
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 2: having kind of specialized in this area more than I have,

978
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 2: what are some of the things that have stood out

979
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 2: to you as consistencies across the board, across all of

980
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 2: these people. Are there any things that stand is like

981
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:44,800
Speaker 2: the absolute pillars of success for land management that whether

982
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:48,359
Speaker 2: it's Joe, John, Bill or Bob ever, one believes this

983
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 2: kind of stuff.

984
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're right, there's a lot of I always,

985
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 3: oftentimes when I look at something like how would so

986
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 3: and so look at this? And then I would go

987
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 3: to the what would say so and so think about

988
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 3: this and this kind of go down the list, and

989
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 3: I think that there's a couple of things that all

990
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 3: ring true. They all treat their properties like a glasshouse,

991
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 3: and I think that that's why I mean that's just

992
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 3: like a lot of this, I think a lot of

993
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 3: our A lot of the shortcomings could be from the

994
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 3: person looking in the mirror and how you hunt and

995
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 3: utilize the farm. And so I think the biggest thing

996
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 3: that to do is they treat things like a glasshouse

997
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 3: and something that I want to do with the Master

998
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 3: Academies actually have like three or four different consultants come

999
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:40,359
Speaker 3: out and all do a plan and then compare them

1000
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,439
Speaker 3: all and I think there would be a lot more

1001
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 3: common things than not maybe even more than what they

1002
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 3: would realize, and I think those those would be leading.

1003
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 3: It's okay to leave a lot of your farm alone,

1004
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 3: it's okay to not improve every single square ench of

1005
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 3: your farm to every every open area has to be

1006
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 3: food or every open area has to be converted to betting.

1007
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 3: Ok to maybe leave a two acre field into something

1008
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 3: that's fallow that allows you to access your property. I

1009
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 3: think all those plans would match up showcasing that. The

1010
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 3: other thing too is they're all very disciplined to your

1011
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 3: point with what they do, but it's they're disciplined to

1012
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,439
Speaker 3: if you think about it, they all have success, right,

1013
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 3: so that means it's working. But they're all very methodical,

1014
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 3: methodical and discipline to what that plan is. And I

1015
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 3: think that where you get in trouble is you just

1016
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 3: take a little bit from here, a little bit from here,

1017
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 3: and you don't realize that they may be contradict what

1018
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 3: needs to happen, but you want to scratch both issues.

1019
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 3: Is probably one shortcoming. But I think the biggest thing

1020
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 3: is they leave on their farm alone, a lot of

1021
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:44,839
Speaker 3: their farm alone, and they don't have to improve every

1022
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 3: square inch and you don't need twenty good spots. You

1023
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 3: need one or two good spots. And I think that's

1024
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 3: probably the biggest thing and something that I always like

1025
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 3: to ask people if I'm on their farm, like what's

1026
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 3: your favorite spot on the font and the reason I

1027
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 3: always like to ask that and the like, well, like

1028
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:08,360
Speaker 3: my favorite spot for killing a deer? And I'm like, yeah, absolutely,

1029
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 3: So if you have where can you go? You have

1030
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 3: the perfect ideal conditions, where do you like to go?

1031
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 3: And then you'll show me on the map and let's

1032
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 3: go look at it. And typically it comes down to

1033
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 3: really good access with the good food source that's nearby,

1034
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 3: and so if you can reverse engineer that, you need

1035
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 3: one really good spot with those items versus I mean,

1036
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:31,879
Speaker 3: where I live, I have two spots I hunt maybe three,

1037
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 3: and one of the spots I have one hundred in

1038
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:35,399
Speaker 3: two years because it hasn't been a deer I wanted

1039
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 3: to shoot. But the point being is like this, have

1040
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 3: some absolute, dialed in spots and make those great. And

1041
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 3: I think that we all want to We all want

1042
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 3: to see what's over the next hill. We all want

1043
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,320
Speaker 3: to see I wonder what's happening over there, And thankfully

1044
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 3: with cameras a lot of those questions can be answered.

1045
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 3: And whether people want to admit it or not, real

1046
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 3: time uh to what's going on. But the biggest thing

1047
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 3: is discipline. They leave on to the farm alone and

1048
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 3: they treat it like a class house, and and they

1049
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 3: have a plan and they stick to it. But they

1050
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 3: all come down to good cover, good food, and lead

1051
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 3: your to your alone. I mean, that's the that's the

1052
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 3: three things that they all agree on. Whether however, you

1053
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 3: get to that, those three things they all agree with,

1054
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,320
Speaker 3: those are the three really important.

1055
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 2: That makes sense, And I would say that stands out

1056
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:23,919
Speaker 2: to me too. I'm curious about the flip side, which

1057
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 2: would be what are some of the things that stand

1058
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:31,359
Speaker 2: out to you as most unique. So some can you

1059
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:34,359
Speaker 2: are there any off the wall ideas that you've heard

1060
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,359
Speaker 2: from someone over the years that you've talked to, You've

1061
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 2: walked a lot of people's farms, You've talked to all

1062
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 2: these guys on your podcast. Do any off the wall

1063
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 2: ideas stand out to you still? Is like, Man, this

1064
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,280
Speaker 2: one crazy thing that Jeff said, or this one wild

1065
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 2: idea from Bobby or or anything like that that stands

1066
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 2: out to you is particularly unique and that you think

1067
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:57,839
Speaker 2: really has some validity to it, or that you've been

1068
00:50:57,880 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 2: able to implement and see work for you.

1069
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 3: There's a couple of things that more than one thing.

1070
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 3: One of them was I was a Bobby Kendall earlier

1071
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:09,320
Speaker 3: this past summer. He had three stands in one spot,

1072
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 3: three stands for all different wins. So there was the

1073
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 3: spot within the spot, and it was actually exactly what

1074
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,760
Speaker 3: I described really good betting transitioning to really good food.

1075
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 3: And he had three different stands for three different wins.

1076
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 3: I don't know too many other people that would go

1077
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 3: to that lengths to have it set up for that

1078
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:33,240
Speaker 3: exact scenario. So I mean, that's pretty it's pretty genius,

1079
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 3: and it had me question, like, I want a lot

1080
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 3: of the spots if you could, you know, instead of

1081
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 3: being on that side of the trail or that side

1082
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 3: of the cover, what could you do to make it

1083
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 3: work more often if it is the best spot right.

1084
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 3: Another one that's really interesting, ironically, I was just on

1085
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 3: this farm this morning. Actually, Bill Whinky came out to

1086
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 3: a client of Minds property and there's a cabbin and

1087
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 3: then it comes out to where it's a really big

1088
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 3: cliff and then it goes into a at an area

1089
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 3: and he's like, you need to put a forty foot

1090
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 3: extension ladder right here so you can access down there.

1091
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 3: And I was like, really, he was dead series and

1092
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 3: that was Bill's idea, and I said, that is definitely

1093
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 3: to the level of extreme. I don't think I would

1094
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 3: have thought of I'd actually just I just sold the

1095
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 3: farm and I was walking with the cellar. And it's

1096
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 3: kind of the inverse of this. He had a rope

1097
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 3: off the side of a big steep hill. Because we

1098
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 3: walked back there and I was like, man, how the

1099
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 3: heck did you get back here? He's like, I was

1100
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 3: waiting for you to ask that he has a rope

1101
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 3: and he pulls himself up this giant hill to come

1102
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:39,919
Speaker 3: up off a cliff face, basically to get to where

1103
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 3: he needs to go. And that, ironically unprovoked came up

1104
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 3: as this is my favorite spot on the farm. And

1105
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 3: so it's like we all we all know within our

1106
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 3: own brains and what's the best spot. And then those

1107
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 3: are a couple of creative ways to make it much

1108
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 3: more realistic, which I mean kind of a streamed. Those

1109
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 3: are a couple of extreme examples, but it I wouldn't

1110
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:02,399
Speaker 3: have thought of either of those. I may have thought

1111
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 3: of the pull up rope, but I don't think I

1112
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:05,399
Speaker 3: would actually do it. I'd probably be like, what about

1113
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 3: this word you over here?

1114
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 2: Right? I got a buddy who's always said he's wanted

1115
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 2: to develop a white tail zipline system for access. Yeah,

1116
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 2: if anyone ever figures that one out, that might be

1117
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 2: useful to get into certain spots.

1118
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 3: I bet you there's some white tail tunnels across the

1119
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 3: country that we do not know about to where you

1120
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,280
Speaker 3: go underneat this little tunnel to get to the backside

1121
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:29,800
Speaker 3: of a bod. I bet you somewhere across the country

1122
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 3: that is a thing.

1123
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 2: Someone's figured it out.

1124
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, if someone's creative enough to do that.

1125
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, man, all right. So if someone is chomping

1126
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 2: at the bit to do this kind of work and

1127
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 2: they're excited for the new year, they really want to

1128
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 2: make some positive changes on their farm this year. Do

1129
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 2: you have any resources you would recommend folks check out.

1130
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 2: Are there any books or videos or particular podcasts or

1131
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,319
Speaker 2: episodes that you've done, or anything at all that you

1132
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 2: would send folks to to kind of get this planning

1133
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:01,359
Speaker 2: process rolling.

1134
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think the biggest thing for a lot of

1135
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 3: folks that are newer to this would be utilize the

1136
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 3: free source free resources that are out there, and that

1137
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 3: would be your local on RCS office. And so they

1138
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 3: have pheasants, forever biologists, and I've utilized these a lot personally,

1139
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 3: and I had a concern going into that to where

1140
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:23,399
Speaker 3: they'd be like, yeah, you know, you're kind of videer hunter.

1141
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:25,479
Speaker 3: That's kind of weird, like we only really care about nature.

1142
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 3: But they've all been extremely accommodating to you know, they

1143
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 3: suggest something like, well, you know, that's that's great, but

1144
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 3: how could we tweak that plan to make it more

1145
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 3: whitetail centric. They usually have a suggestion beyond that, So

1146
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 3: I think utilizing the NRCS office, the free biologists, utilize

1147
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 3: the equiped contracts that are available to do a lot

1148
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 3: of this work. The first year I planned, uh, like

1149
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 3: a thousand shrubs and trees. I pay for all all

1150
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 3: of it out of pocket because I was not aware

1151
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 3: that I could get costs here on that. And I

1152
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:56,400
Speaker 3: think that's one of the biggest things. The one thing

1153
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 3: I would say is be patient with them, like they're

1154
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 3: they're busy folk and they have you know, they're all

1155
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 3: spread really thin. So I think utilizing those would be

1156
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:07,360
Speaker 3: one of the biggest things. And navigating equip contracts is

1157
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 3: something that is pretty challenging to do for the first time.

1158
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 3: And so a shameless plug would be the White Tail

1159
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 3: Master Academy or break down equip contracts. What do you

1160
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 3: need to ask a lot of just like you need

1161
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 3: to know what questions you need to ask order to

1162
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:21,879
Speaker 3: get the outcome that you would like, because a lot

1163
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 3: of it is unique and changing for the NRCS offices.

1164
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 3: And so that's something that I would encourage folks to

1165
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 3: look at. And there's a bunch of different land plans

1166
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 3: from Don Higgins, like over twenty land plans, and so

1167
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 3: you kind of get the the ability to look at

1168
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 3: different farms, maybe find one that is similar to what

1169
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 3: you're working with, and maybe you'll get an idea or

1170
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:45,799
Speaker 3: two and make a big difference. And I think those

1171
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:48,360
Speaker 3: are some of the bigger items that I really enjoy

1172
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 3: when it comes to just the pure native species and

1173
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 3: establishing those grasses and things of that nature. I really

1174
00:55:56,080 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 3: like the Prairie Farm podcast which they talk about they

1175
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 3: really nerd out on the different varieties of grasses and

1176
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 3: things of that nature, and so you kind of get

1177
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:08,840
Speaker 3: an idea of the different processes and the ecological benefits

1178
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 3: and a lot of this. You always start as a

1179
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 3: white tail hunter, and I have no doubt by the

1180
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 3: end of it, you will be a true conservationist by

1181
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,799
Speaker 3: the end of it, and you will get excited about

1182
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 3: little oak trees growing that I never thought I would

1183
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 3: get excited about. You'd get really excited about a clump

1184
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 3: of Indian grass that responded after a prescribed burn. And

1185
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 3: so the basis of it is to hunt and kill

1186
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 3: big deer more more consistently. But you will find along

1187
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 3: the journey a lot of different things that you will

1188
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 3: really enjoy, and you get a top to different biologists

1189
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:44,399
Speaker 3: that have different backgrounds and get maybe they walk your

1190
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:46,320
Speaker 3: farm and they like, oh, this is a very rare species.

1191
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:47,799
Speaker 3: This is really cool. I haven't seen one of these

1192
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 3: three years. Well that's pretty cool, right, And so to

1193
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 3: start the process, and I think that utilize your NRCS office,

1194
00:56:56,000 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 3: utilize foresters once again, be persistent. They're spread then where

1195
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 3: I'm at the part of the state where I'm at,

1196
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 3: there's very few of them, so it's kind of hard

1197
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 3: to pin one down. But utilize those free resources and

1198
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,320
Speaker 3: check out the whiteail Master Academy, check out the Prairie

1199
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 3: Farm podcast. And there's so many different things that I

1200
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 3: consistently tune into. I mean, there's some really good YouTube

1201
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 3: channels out there. It'd be a disservice to to nate

1202
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 3: many because there's a lot of them that are really good.

1203
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 3: And also, surprisingly Facebook groups can be really good too.

1204
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 3: There's a I'm in a group that is just switchgrass

1205
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 3: Switchgrass Facebook. That's amazing.

1206
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 2: So neat I doubt Mark Zuckerberger imagined that when he

1207
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 2: built Facebook, like, someday there'll be people congregating here to

1208
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 2: debate switchcrasts varieties.

1209
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's it's crazy because people will take a

1210
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 3: picture of their stand and say, hey, what do I

1211
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 3: need to do and improve? And there's guys that have

1212
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 3: been playing switchcrasts for twenty five years and they're like, oh,

1213
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 3: you need to mow this or spray this, or wait

1214
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 3: till next year. And so like a lot of these

1215
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 3: resources are out there. You just got to figure out

1216
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 3: what gets you excited and get up the old Google

1217
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 3: machine and start going and learning and applying and making

1218
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 3: this be comfortable to make mistakes and be have enough.

1219
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 3: I don't want to say all this A lot of

1220
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 3: this comes down to a lot there's a lot of

1221
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 3: ego and all this based off of me, Like I'm

1222
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 3: just speaking generally, like me identifying like I need to

1223
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 3: learn more about this, like I don't know as much

1224
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 3: as I really should, and just load the ego and

1225
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 3: just going to learn it as much as possible and

1226
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 3: utilize all these different resources and have fun, like at

1227
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 3: the end of the day, have fun doing it.

1228
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you mentioned the white tail Master Academy. You've

1229
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 2: got the land podcast. Can you just give folks a

1230
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 2: quick rundown of where they can access these things?

1231
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, so white tail master Academy dot com. We have

1232
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 3: new videos every single week. Land planned from Don Higgins

1233
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 3: once a month, and we actually have virtual a lot

1234
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 3: of events. For example, we have doctor Bronsis Strickland on

1235
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 3: this evening you can ask doctor Bronce Strickland any question

1236
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 3: you've ever wanted to, which is a pretty cool format

1237
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 3: to be able to do that. The Land podcast you

1238
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 3: can find that for every find podcasting. Then also a

1239
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 3: lot of the audio version, the video versions on this

1240
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 3: my YouTube channels just my name Jake Hoefers. So those

1241
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 3: are the places you can find all the different exciting

1242
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 3: things that get me excited and hopefully people find value

1243
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:15,440
Speaker 3: in them.

1244
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 2: Absolutely, but I appreciate Jake, great catching up, great talking Land,

1245
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 2: and I'm excited to get to work on my plan

1246
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 2: for this year too, even more so now awesome, Thank

1247
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 2: you so much for having me all right, and that's

1248
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 2: going to do it for us today. Thank you for

1249
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 2: joining me here on the podcast, Thanks for being a

1250
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 2: part of this community, and until next time, stay wired

1251
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 2: to Hunt.