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Speaker 2: Game seven of the NBA Finals, four on one break.

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Speaker 4: Vibe good morning Sweirl.

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Speaker 3: Then, welcome to the No Dunks Podcast on the Athletic Network.

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Speaker 3: It's Thursday, September twenty fourth on Jay Skeets and joining

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Jimmy Butler's just growing that ugly stash to rub

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Speaker 3: Kevin Arnovitz wrote, in a choppy Affair with many ugly possessions,

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Speaker 3: Hero was playing in a different game. They got spot

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Speaker 1: It's the loneliest place in the world, and that, you know,

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Speaker 1: He was shaking Jalen Brown last night and he hit

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Speaker 3: Jalen switched on him. He had that nice little semi

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Speaker 6: That's how Tyler hero over Devin bow I love that

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Speaker 6: I thought last night he had seventeen through three quarters,

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Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, yeah, He's doing everything because it was like

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Speaker 3: so easy for him. Then when Walker was on him,

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Speaker 3: Iso like, here's Tyler go to ork kid. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 3: But he's still moving this kid around and then finishes

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Speaker 5: see it report as to what happened, but Jalen Brown

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Speaker 5: But sometimes these Celtics just kind of hang their heads

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Speaker 5: the the slinky shakes. I never want Tyler Hero to

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Speaker 5: probably one of those body frames. I can't get any bigger,

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Speaker 5: Lee you tell me, because you can read him from

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Speaker 5: five billion miles away. But I just think he looks

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Speaker 5: so cool in the way he can, you know, slink

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Speaker 5: here and slink there. It's got a little kd ish

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Speaker 5: But I just like, I like my Tyler Hero skinny.

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Speaker 5: That's all I'm trying to say. I think that helps

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Speaker 3: You brought up that possession, defensive possession from the Celtics.

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Speaker 3: What about the time where it ended in the drag

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Speaker 3: Its wide open three. What were the Celtics doing on

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Speaker 3: to go. Is when Dragas hit that three, that was

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Speaker 3: like really really truly ice the game. But they like,

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Speaker 3: I like, blitzed, Yeah, threw this weird blitz super high

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Speaker 3: it went to Igodala and then then finally to drugage,

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Speaker 3: I don't know if signals got mixed up, but the

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Speaker 3: was like, hey, let's let's try and shock them with

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Speaker 3: it and that was I mean, you can't ask for

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Speaker 1: No, absolutely, And that came after a Boston three at

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Speaker 1: Look here, you can go up, but he's.

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Speaker 3: Bigger, Dollar's not gonna shoot it there. Yeah, no, the

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Speaker 1: I know he's been struggling badly, he can't hit anything,

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Speaker 1: but the fine Druggish in the corner and then to

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Speaker 1: like Jimmy Butler. He had a good game statistically, and

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Speaker 1: he hit a big basket late and then he hit

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Speaker 1: were other times again where he still looks like he's hesitating.

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Speaker 1: He had an ey air balled one from the paint

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Speaker 1: last night, like and that.

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Speaker 6: Happened on twelve foot or about ten feet.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I know.

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Speaker 1: But then you see twenty four points and nine rebounds,

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Speaker 1: he was better than I thought. But I just didn't

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Speaker 1: He drove inside a couple of times to get some baskets.

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Speaker 1: But it just feels like something's going on with him

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Speaker 3: What did you guys think of Jason team's weird game

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Speaker 3: with the offer in the first half and then obviously

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Speaker 3: don't you start like, what do you think about you know,

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Speaker 3: not only the Celtics in the way they played the zone,

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Speaker 5: I just find it amazing watching a basketball game with

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Speaker 5: first half together. He doesn't score a point and everyone,

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Speaker 5: everyone in the world is using the excuse, oh, he's hurt,

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Speaker 5: I got no answer. I just was he stiff in

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Speaker 3: Sorry six was it?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they did get down But for them to be

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Speaker 5: good job, good job training staff. I mean, there's nothing

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Speaker 5: Butler's I think reluctance has stretched out this entire series.

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Speaker 5: There's something, there's something going on where he just doesn't

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Speaker 5: of free throws, he kind of did a Kawhi Leonard

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Speaker 5: and then it went down. He just doesn't feel right

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Speaker 5: a defender. There's no explanation for any of this. Jim,

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Speaker 5: is that right? Brad Stevens tries to ice them. That

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Speaker 6: Yeah, the Celtics, honestly, they just look shaky to me.

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Speaker 6: Seven turnovers in the fourth quarter. They didn't have enough spirit.

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Speaker 6: I thought in the first half. The attention to detail

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Speaker 6: eight minutes so far in this series. And if he

433
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Speaker 6: isn't being the best player for the Celtics, it's tough

434
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Speaker 6: for them.

435
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Speaker 3: Yeah. I know, Tyler Hero has no doubt the story

436
00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:56,480
Speaker 3: from Game four, But when you look at the breakdown

437
00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:58,639
Speaker 3: and you, you know, look at the box score in

438
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Speaker 3: this Boston nineteen overs to Miami's eight, I mean, that's

439
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Speaker 3: huge in a game that ultimately was pretty close. They

440
00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,600
Speaker 3: were really sloppy with it at times, for sure, and

441
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Speaker 3: they didn't Yeah like that was I don't know, they're

442
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Speaker 3: down three one. I mean we've seen teams come back

443
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Speaker 3: from three to one pretty recently here, so maybe it's

444
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Speaker 3: not over over, But it did have the vibe to

445
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Speaker 3: a lot of people because these teams are so so

446
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Speaker 3: closely competitive that the Celtics needed that one. I mean,

447
00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,399
Speaker 3: they needed to make this a best of three. And now,

448
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Speaker 3: like I said, Miami's one went away from going to

449
00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:29,719
Speaker 3: the finals twelve time. Miami's been up three to one

450
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Speaker 3: in their history, and they've never never given up a

451
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Speaker 3: three one lead.

452
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Speaker 1: They've lost by three, five and three points. So, I mean, Boston,

453
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Speaker 1: if they look back at this series and ultimately lose it,

454
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Speaker 1: it's really coming down to a couple of possessions in

455
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Speaker 1: these last couple of games. The you know, talk about

456
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Speaker 1: Jimmy Butler, his defense was incredible actually on Kemball Walker

457
00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,480
Speaker 1: there en on Jason Tatum late that crazy call that

458
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Speaker 1: somehow was a jump ball after it clearly came off

459
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Speaker 1: titum which was originally called a foul. It didn't make sense.

460
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Speaker 1: And then he got Kemba who got three shots out

461
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Speaker 1: of it. So you know, Jimmy like he he gets

462
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Speaker 1: the fat caught on the second one and the Celtics

463
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Speaker 1: get the possession on the first one. But that point,

464
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Speaker 1: even though I said before, he didn't look like he

465
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Speaker 1: was sort of locked into this game in those crucial moments,

466
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Speaker 1: he was still playing incredible defense for his team. And

467
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Speaker 1: you know, the Celtics again, like to say, two games

468
00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:16,239
Speaker 1: have lost by three and one by five. I mean

469
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Speaker 1: it's it's been incredibly close, and they won their only

470
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Speaker 1: game by eleven, So what's that make it?

471
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Speaker 3: They must be even on time? Yeah?

472
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Speaker 1: Wow, what a what a crazy thing when when they're

473
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Speaker 1: down three to one.

474
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Speaker 3: So we don't know really any sort of status on

475
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Speaker 3: Bam as of recording this, right, you guys talked about

476
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Speaker 3: it though, I mean, yeah, the guy's arm was like

477
00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,240
Speaker 3: looked like it was hanging off his body there, but

478
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Speaker 3: it was strange. It was like was it his finger

479
00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:41,359
Speaker 3: at first? Was at the wrist? Was it the elbow?

480
00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:45,440
Speaker 3: Is it the shoulder? Was it everything? Until we know

481
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Speaker 3: for sure whether or not he's playing, and you know,

482
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Speaker 3: at what percentage of his level capabilities he's going to

483
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Speaker 3: be playing out stuff to see. But like if there's

484
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Speaker 3: no Bam, like let's just hypothetically say Bam doesn't play

485
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Speaker 3: for at least game five, you know, can the Celtics

486
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Speaker 3: do this? Like he's so instrumental toll to the Heat's

487
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Speaker 3: success and we sort of really talked about him here,

488
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,280
Speaker 3: but he had another great game obviously making things happen

489
00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,520
Speaker 3: and sort of their folk from there, their heart and

490
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Speaker 3: soul as Jimmy calls them. Could the Celtics do this

491
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Speaker 3: if there's no Bam? I mean that's a game changer,

492
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Speaker 3: right Tas.

493
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the Celtics good, they're that close. I think,

494
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Speaker 5: really what the Celtics need is a bam have they

495
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Speaker 5: need a five to be able to throw the ball

496
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Speaker 5: to in the middle of the paint, because that's what

497
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Speaker 5: they were trying to do a lot of the time

498
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Speaker 5: with that zone. But it's I think it's just a

499
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 5: little bit foreign for Jason Tatum to get the ball

500
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Speaker 5: at the nail or Marks Smart to get the ball

501
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Speaker 5: at the nail. It just doesn't happen every single possession.

502
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:40,240
Speaker 5: The zone has thrown them off a little bit. I

503
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Speaker 5: know Nick Nurse went to it a ton, but this

504
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Speaker 5: Miami Heat's just this team is just a little bit better.

505
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Speaker 3: I think they just they're a little bit bigger too

506
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Speaker 3: at the front of that zone. Yeah, a lot bigger

507
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Speaker 3: guys in Jimmy and Crowder and Nigodola than Raptors cards

508
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:55,680
Speaker 3: up at the front of that zone, you know what

509
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Speaker 3: I mean.

510
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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the story really, the story. Really, it's more

511
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Speaker 5: fun to talk about Tyler Hero, but the story really

512
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 5: is seven turnovers in the fourth quarter for a team

513
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 5: you can't you it's just really tough to win. And

514
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 5: that's all Eric Spolstra's defense out there, just encouraging guys

515
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,360
Speaker 5: to get out on the perimeter and forcing him out

516
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,159
Speaker 5: there and then and they kind of hung out there

517
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Speaker 5: a little bit. They had some good possessions in the

518
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Speaker 5: fourth quarter, but then they got a little stagnant, a

519
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 5: little predictable. Spolstra deserves a ton of credit for that. Yeah,

520
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:28,399
Speaker 5: they need they need a center really that can do

521
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Speaker 5: what Bam does, because Bam was enormous in this game.

522
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Speaker 5: He was so so good. They can give the ball

523
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Speaker 5: to anybody. While the Celtics they tried to kind of

524
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Speaker 5: do what the Raptors did and say, Daniel Tice, you

525
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Speaker 5: know what, this isn't working. We're gonna put you on

526
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Speaker 5: the bench and we're going to play our five best guys.

527
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Speaker 5: And that's Gordon Hayward coming off the bench. And then

528
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Speaker 5: that only lasted a couple of minutes because they just

529
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Speaker 5: weren't big enough. They were just going to get destroyed

530
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Speaker 5: on the board. So huge, huge credit to Eric Spolstra.

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Speaker 5: And I just wanted to mention one other thing that

532
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Speaker 5: he did hero the story because he's way more fun

533
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Speaker 5: to talk about. But a little thing like Andre Agadala

534
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 5: playing the last fifteen minutes of this game, when you

535
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Speaker 5: know he looks like a guy that he really he

536
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 5: really just didn't look like himself this season, but then

537
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Speaker 5: going into the playoffs, Eric Spoz is, he's playing chess.

538
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 5: He played Andrea Gadala every fourth quarter minute possible in

539
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 5: that Indiana series, the first series of this postseason, every minute,

540
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Speaker 5: all forty eight minutes, because they swept the pacers. Igodala

541
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Speaker 5: was in there. He knew that Igodala could be really,

542
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:35,639
Speaker 5: really important, and and Igodolla was out there. Yeah, you said, Skeetz,

543
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Speaker 5: he doesn't want to shoot. He's going to make the

544
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Speaker 5: right play.

545
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Speaker 3: But he's gonna give you a great defense. And he's

546
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Speaker 3: a playmaker, still a fantastic playmaker with all that the

547
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Speaker 3: years of experience playing with all the shooters in Golden State. No,

548
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Speaker 3: that's a great point. I'm glad you brought that up. Hell,

549
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,360
Speaker 3: I mean, is this chess playing Solomon Solomon Hill there?

550
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 3: From there? That's for d chess.

551
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Speaker 6: I guess Solomon Hill is the kind of guy when

552
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Speaker 6: he shows up in a game, you're gonna get text

553
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Speaker 6: from friends.

554
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Speaker 5: Saying who is that?

555
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,160
Speaker 6: They got a look to him, no doubt, a sloppy look.

556
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 6: Looks like my man has been in the bubble for

557
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,879
Speaker 6: a long time. But I think BAM's gonna play he

558
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,160
Speaker 6: said it was nothing major. He's not having an MRI

559
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 6: or anything. And in your place, yeah exactly, he said.

560
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,640
Speaker 6: He said, my arm took a wrong turn. You don't

561
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Speaker 6: want that happening to your arm or your shoulder, whatever

562
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Speaker 6: it was. But I think he's gonna play, and you know,

563
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Speaker 6: just the fact of going to his own I think

564
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 6: it throws the Celtics off so much. It forces Tatum

565
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Speaker 6: to be a little bit of a playmaker, which he's

566
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 6: improved in that, but it's not his strength. And I

567
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 6: think it really really hurts Kemba Walker because he's he

568
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 6: is definitely not like a.

569
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:38,959
Speaker 3: Catch and shoot player. He's not the kind of guy

570
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:39,919
Speaker 3: you want to get kick out.

571
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Speaker 6: And then he's pulling for three. He's used having the

572
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Speaker 6: ball in his hands, coming around to screen, maybe popping

573
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 6: the three there or working up to his mid range jumper.

574
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Speaker 6: It's tough for him to try and penetrate past Butler

575
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Speaker 6: and Igua Dollar. Sometimes it's Crowder up there, guys who

576
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 6: are way bigger than him. Then you got Bam standing

577
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Speaker 6: right in front of his face. There's a lot of

578
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Speaker 6: people just standing around a guy who's not so big

579
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Speaker 6: over not to mention, I mean hero is six foot

580
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,479
Speaker 6: sex right, like he's got some length to him too.

581
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 6: There's so much length on the heat that it really

582
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 6: disrupts Camber and when Camber and Teetemer are struggling, that's

583
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Speaker 6: not great.

584
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Speaker 1: I thought Robert Williams getting some minutes was actually not

585
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 1: a bad idea there from Brad Stevens, because athletically he

586
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 1: was very good against the Raptors in that series, and

587
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 1: he's a little bit more athletic than Tye and Cant

588
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 1: as well. So I was surprised that we didn't see

589
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,719
Speaker 1: him actually in the second half a little bit more too,

590
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 1: because he just he can contest those rebounds a little

591
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 1: bit better with bam Adebayo, I think. So I wonder

592
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Speaker 1: if Brad Stevens perhaps gives him a little bit more minutes.

593
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 1: And he's a little unreliable of course on the offensive end,

594
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 1: but someone who's just long and athletic just makes it

595
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:41,640
Speaker 1: just a touch harder than it does for Daniel Tye,

596
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Speaker 1: who tries hard but bam can just outjump him. So

597
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Speaker 1: I wonder if that's an adjustment we'll see from Brad

598
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,360
Speaker 1: Stevens going forward, because I thought as well for the Celtics,

599
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 1: they got enough good looks against that zone defense last

600
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 1: night that they if they knocked those in, it's a

601
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:56,360
Speaker 1: different game.

602
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Speaker 3: Yes, it happens when it comes to the zone. You

603
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 3: just got to hit shots locks that you have to

604
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:02,199
Speaker 3: fuck him down.

605
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 1: You saw Hayward there a couple of times at the

606
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 1: top you throw the ball to him and they just

607
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: moving the ball around and it was often it was

608
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: it was smart. I think he finished one for it.

609
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,959
Speaker 1: He had a bad shooting game, but he had eleven assists.

610
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 1: He was still contributing. And Brown and take him. I

611
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,479
Speaker 1: mean they had looks. So I think I don't think

612
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 1: the actual zone defense last night worked as effectively as

613
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 1: the heat wanted in terms of them not getting good looks.

614
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: They just couldn't knock him down Boston. So you know,

615
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 1: that's why this series, even though it's three one, I

616
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 1: don't think it's like a wash. In game four or five.

617
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 1: You know, the Celtics still feel pretty confident because they've

618
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 1: been they've been good enough, they've been close enough. They

619
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,360
Speaker 1: just need to tidy a few things up. But yeah,

620
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 1: it was not the last night's game didn't have a

621
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 1: lot of juice to it. I didn't think it just

622
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Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe it's because they had the longer

623
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 1: break legs were a bit heavy.

624
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 3: I don't know.

625
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 5: Maybe there's a lot of miss shots for sure.

626
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, it wasn't pretty like I said. I mean, Hero

627
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 3: was the lone damon within that muck there of that

628
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,400
Speaker 3: game last night. There was a lot of ugly possessions

629
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Speaker 3: and that, and that's again credit to the defense. They're

630
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 3: mucking it up, they're making it difficult, but guys were

631
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 3: just really struggling to hit shots until again Tat I've

632
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 3: got to going in the second half when he started

633
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 3: stringing together some threes there, which made things a little

634
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 3: bit more interesting. And the final score, this looks a

635
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 3: lot closer than it is if we're being honest, right,

636
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 3: I mean, like there was some turnovers the Jimmy Butler

637
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 3: when you said, and they were still hit like Brown

638
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 3: hit the three in the corner and stuff like that.

639
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 3: They're holding holding, holding on, but you know, didn't even

640
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 3: get a chance at the end of course, with like

641
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 3: what was it, one second left and you got to

642
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 3: gun it down there and try and hope for like

643
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 3: a Christian laightener, but it's got to be a three.

644
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:35,239
Speaker 3: Didn't even get a shot off on that one.

645
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 6: So let me ask you a question about that, because

646
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 6: we see it all the time when there are no

647
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 6: timeouts left, but you're down by three, you've got a second.

648
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 6: Do you think it's better to try and chuck the

649
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 6: ball down to the other three point line because it

650
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 6: feels like it gets intercepted every single time? Would you

651
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 6: rather just inbound it to a guy to take a

652
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 6: three quarters court three pointer?

653
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 3: I think you can generally even get a half court shot, sure,

654
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 3: because they're playing so far back. One hundred percent agree

655
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 3: with you, Trey. These these guys are that good at

656
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,959
Speaker 3: it too, that it's not gonna be a brutal, brutal

657
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 3: look because I guess they're hoping for a lot of

658
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 3: the times when they gun it down there to the

659
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 3: three point line, is like they're helping a foul, you know. Sure,

660
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 3: maybe though that was a perfect one last night, Like

661
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 3: even if a foul called on Jimmy, it's like, still,

662
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 3: it's only two shots, right, it's not three. Yeah, I'm

663
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 3: with you. I've thought a ton about that too. I'd

664
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 3: like I'd rather my guy on the run just catch

665
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 3: it and step into a half court shot. Yeah, it

666
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 3: more of a chance to go in half the time

667
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 3: some of those gun it down and then turn around. Yeah.

668
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, because when it goes up, you have to catch it,

669
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: go down and then reshoot like launch, whereas if you

670
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: just sort of throw it out and someone can catch

671
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: it and flick it at the rim, you've got a

672
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: way better chance of it going in, I think, so, yeah,

673
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 1: I agree. I thought that was a little bit strange

674
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: because you see at the end of quarters and halves,

675
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: you know when guys just wait for the clock to

676
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 1: run out when they throw it, but they get so

677
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: much closer, they get such a better look at the

678
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 1: ball and having to come down and then throw it

679
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 1: up over a couple of defenders usually.

680
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's like when there's more like I get

681
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 3: it and there's like maybe five six seconds, like but yeah,

682
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 3: one second, I just loop it to a streaming Kemba

683
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 3: or a screaming Tatum to a round half court like

684
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 3: you're sort of saying, Trey and then hope, my chances

685
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 3: that just he catches it on the fly and lets

686
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 3: it go and maybe you know your prayers are answered,

687
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 3: like did Kyle Lowry hit one of those ones?

688
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 5: And yeah, yeah, right, right right, bronze famous one against

689
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 5: the Wizards three point turnaround. Yeah, if you I I

690
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 5: think if you're if there's a if there's a crazy

691
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 5: man or woman who broke down the numbers, I think

692
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 5: you would get a couple of bombs that actually do

693
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 5: go in.

694
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, And I mean truthfully do what they

695
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 3: figured started to figure out in football with the hail

696
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 3: Mary to the end zone. I love the idea of

697
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 3: throw it up there, have your most athletic guy go

698
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 3: up and just try and direct tip it to another guy,

699
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, don't even like you know,

700
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 3: again it's tough with the and all that. Yeah, but

701
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 3: a bit of a tip drill, like okay, Tatum, jump

702
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 3: up there and like, don't worry about catching it, coming

703
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 3: down and shooting it. Tip it to you know, kemba,

704
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 3: who's going to be to your right or left, and

705
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 3: like maybe I have a better look there. I mean,

706
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 3: that's so easy to say it because you need to

707
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,719
Speaker 3: throw like a sixty foot bomb, have your guy get

708
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 3: up above other guys, tip it to the other guy

709
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 3: who catches it in rhythm and shoots. But yeah, it's

710
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 3: a it's not a lot of time to do things

711
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 3: with and they were out of time otes, so what

712
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 3: are you gonna do anyway? And again it wasn't really

713
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 3: all that close. It was close, but it wasn't really

714
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 3: all that close. He sort of had command and they

715
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 3: were knocking down free throwsly. That's a huge part, obviously,

716
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 3: even if some of them were not as pretty as

717
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 3: heroes switches there, that one, Jimmy was really crazy. Yeah.

718
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: If you remember Dirk Novitski against a thunder back in

719
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 1: twenty eleven, he had I think twenty three if twenty

720
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: four from the free throw line one day in game

721
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: five or something, and basically they were all swishes that

722
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: were just beautiful.

723
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 3: Tyler here, I don't remember that, No, I'm sorry I remember.

724
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: It because that's exactly what I thought last night. I thought,

725
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: because I thought Tyler here, at some point is going

726
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: to show his ahiat where he's going to be nervous,

727
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: because I think it was. Tatum was kind of trying

728
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: to talk a little trash to him there too, but

729
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: just before he shot them and then he just went

730
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: I was like, oh man, And I like the after

731
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: game interview when Rachel Nichols asked him about being a bucket,

732
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: he said he was a bucket in high school, and

733
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 1: then some people were putting up some clips of him

734
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: in He must have been like Wilt Chamberlain going up

735
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 1: against kids in high school, you know, like to go

736
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: out there at this age and doing that on the

737
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: big stage against grown men on the in the NBA.

738
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: And he's playing high school against kids who are like

739
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: smaller than him. It's like he must have just been

740
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: like the gread How did he slip so far? Like

741
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: did he not show up?

742
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 3: I don't know, man, I've just Kentucky.

743
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: Man.

744
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 6: They don't let their guards do anything. Same thing happened

745
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 6: to Devin Booker, right, They're like, that guy's just a

746
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 6: three point shooter. Oh wait, he can actually do everything

747
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 6: you need to do with a basketball.

748
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: It's incredible.

749
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 3: Man.

750
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,479
Speaker 1: I can't believe I'm so envious of a twenty year

751
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: old kid.

752
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 3: You know, you call them Benjamin Button. That's what I mean.

753
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 6: Super young right now, which would mean he's like eighty

754
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 6: years old.

755
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 3: Well, that's what I mean.

756
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: He must actually be like a player like I don't

757
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: know from like John Havlachik or someone back of the day.

758
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 3: I played for the Celtics dynasty.

759
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: He must must have because when have we ever seen

760
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: a kid that young? I mean, remember when Lebron had

761
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: that big game against the Pistons in two thousand and seven.

762
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: You know, Lebron then was like twenty two or something

763
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: and he'd been in the league four years, and it

764
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: was kind of like, we've seen enough to expect something

765
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: like that from Lebron.

766
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 5: Like Derek Rolls at a game and his rookie year

767
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 5: there against It was against the Celtics, wasn't not that was.

768
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: His playoff rookie debut though. I don't think that was

769
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: his rookie season.

770
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 3: Was he was still he was super young?

771
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that was all known. So that

772
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 5: was his rookie year, I was, was it? Yeah?

773
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, he had thirty six points. I remember that.

774
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: That was a great game too.

775
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 5: But you know, the magician Magic But if you're in

776
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 5: nineteen eighty, you're forty five years old, you must remember

777
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 5: Magic Johnson. But again, they those.

778
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: Two people were the number one picks in the draft. Yeah,

779
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: you know, like it's like not a you know, it's

780
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 1: a surprise to still see a guy perform at that level,

781
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: but to see someone like Tyler Hero, You're just like, man,

782
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: this this guy like no one sort of expected him

783
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: to keep.

784
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 3: He didn't even make the All Rookie first team. There

785
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 3: I heard Van Gundy all upset about that. I mean,

786
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 3: not how they play, but because we are older. I

787
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 3: remember Dwayne Wade's rookie playoff run and he had some

788
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 3: duds in the two series. I think he played it

789
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,760
Speaker 3: in there against Hornets and Pacers, if I remember correctly,

790
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 3: in his rookie season. But you see those like, wow, rookie,

791
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 3: this is special, Like this guy is taking over instances,

792
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 3: fourth quarters for them, getting them some victories, and it

793
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 3: was like special special stuff. Now he's still a high pick,

794
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 3: so maybe it's a little bit more, you know, not

795
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 3: as shocking that this guy is taken later in the

796
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,320
Speaker 3: in the lottery and Tyler Hero. But still it is cool,

797
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 3: like I kept thinking of, like I remember those moments

798
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 3: still in my head. I was a lot younger, and

799
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,439
Speaker 3: now in theory there are young kids watching this going wow,

800
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 3: this Tyler Hero kid is something special. And again I'm

801
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 3: with Ziller just does not feel fluky what he's doing

802
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 3: at all. I mean, he's been doing this for a

803
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,800
Speaker 3: good chunk of the bubble chunk of the playoffs, and

804
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 3: like this was next level. Don't get me wrong. I

805
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 3: don't think he's gonna go for thirty seven in game five,

806
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 3: but I don't think it's far fetched to easily see

807
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 3: another twenty a twenty five point game in this kid

808
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 3: moving forward, either in the Eastern Conference Finals or the finals.

809
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, it seems to be Hey and Duncan Robinson

810
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: are kind of alternating big performances because Duncan had to

811
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 1: stink it last night, but he'll probably come back with

812
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 1: six threes in game five. Now.

813
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 3: Well, but that's a huge difference, right Duncan. It's like

814
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 3: it's just gonna be threes, right right, I mean that's it.

815
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 3: But this is the beauty here. This is not just

816
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 3: threes here from this kid. He's playmaking. He's averaging like

817
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 3: nearly eight rebounds per game in this series too. I

818
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 3: mean he's not afraid to get in there. Tray said

819
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 3: it like he's yes, he's slight, he's got the skeets

820
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 3: frame task, but you know he's tall and he's not

821
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 3: afraid to mix it up and he goes and gets it.

822
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 3: I mean that's impressive to me as well. Like the

823
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 3: package of this kid's game already at twenty is special

824
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 3: stuff here. I and he just gotta he'd have found

825
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 3: a gem, I think. And he just fits with this culture.

826
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 3: You see how pump those guys were after the game

827
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 3: for a hero like Gore and drag its squealing like

828
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:58,760
Speaker 3: a little girl, like giving.

829
00:35:58,600 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 1: Him a rubber his head.

830
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, like the same big hit. They really really like

831
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,919
Speaker 3: they're they're they're rooting for this kid. I'm sure they've

832
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 3: put them through hell and the rookie hazing and all

833
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 3: that and stuff, so you know, it's like a little

834
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 3: brother to them. I get that, But that's pretty It

835
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 3: was just pretty cool to see that.

836
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 6: I'm old enough to remember when Jimmy Butler was a

837
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 6: bad locker room influencing you didn't want him around young players,

838
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 6: and now he's lifting this young guy up, making him

839
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 6: an All star in front of our very eyes. Skates though,

840
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,240
Speaker 6: you do have the Tyler hero frame. But I notice

841
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 6: you you look a lot older than him. Are you

842
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 6: actually Tyler hero as a six year old boy?

843
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 8: Wow?

844
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Tyler, come talk to me. I'll tell you

845
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 3: how to grow a beard. In twenty years, that's still

846
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 3: not that great, but looks good man. Yeah, it's come

847
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 3: in it's coming. I'm starting to take care of it

848
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:47,800
Speaker 3: a little bit more. And you never got that beard

849
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 3: oil from you, Tray. I guess I haven't seen you

850
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,879
Speaker 3: in a long time. Yeah, you gotta ship that over

851
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 3: to Hell. Anything to add to this one, you know,

852
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 3: Can the Celtics do this? Sounds likely? You sort of

853
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 3: believe that it's not oh over despite being done through

854
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 3: one that's going to be pretty instrumental. But yeah, I think, Oh,

855
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 3: I think.

856
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 1: I mean we've seen it. We've seen it in the

857
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:07,919
Speaker 1: bubble as well. Again, again, you know, the Celtics don't

858
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 1: have to go to Miami and try to win a

859
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: game now that the games are all on those neutral surfaces.

860
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: And again I don't think they've played super badly. I

861
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 1: thought they weren't their best last night. But again I

862
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,240
Speaker 1: think they know have a strategy that can work against Miami.

863
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,439
Speaker 1: And again, I mean, you lose three games by five

864
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: points or less, you're not that far behind that team.

865
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: So I think the Celtics realize that it's still it's

866
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: still a series. Anyway, I don't think Miami have just

867
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 1: completely annihilated them. And the Celtics, you know, they've come

868
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 1: this far. They're not going to just quit by any means,

869
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: you know, they're going to fight. So I think it's

870
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,240
Speaker 1: still alive. I think the series is still alive.

871
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 3: You remained me something when you said the neutral court.

872
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 3: I think it was the Windhorse podcast this morning. I

873
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 3: heard them talking about could Taylor Hero have done this

874
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 3: in a normal season, like as a rookie twenty year old?

875
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 3: Now that would have been a home game, But like,

876
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 3: who do you do something like this, you know, on

877
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 3: the road, because we've removed all that. It's a great point, like,

878
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 3: you know, there isn't But they say, and I sort

879
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 3: of agree with them, if any rookie or if any

880
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 3: young kid you could look at and go, oh yeah,

881
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 3: they could do that in front of you know, twenty

882
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 3: thousand screaming fans, like telling them they suck, it would

883
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 3: be him, oddly enough, because of that confidence in that swager.

884
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 3: So it's a I guess I think he could do it,

885
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 3: you know, on the road, go for a thirty plus

886
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 3: point game in a playoff game. But it is a

887
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 3: fair point. This is just a strange, strange environment and

888
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 3: some guys, as we've seen a flourished in it. I

889
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 3: don't know, what do you think tray.

890
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 6: There's definitely something to the idea of not having twenty

891
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 6: thousand people screaming at you every time you catch the ball,

892
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 6: and I think that's got to play a factor in

893
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 6: seeing you know, huge games from Jamal Murray and Donovan Mitchell,

894
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 6: all of these younger guys who are surpassing what we

895
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 6: would have expected from young guys in the playoffs. But

896
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 6: like you're saying, heroes got the confidence to be able

897
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 6: to make these plays if there's zero people in the

898
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 6: stands and if there's a million people in the stands,

899
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 6: I don't.

900
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 3: Know if he would necessarily be affected.

901
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 6: I'm sure it would be somewhat right, Like he maybe

902
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 6: doesn't have thirty seven, maybe he only has thirty five,

903
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 6: something like that, But I think he could do it.

904
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 6: There's there's definitely something different about being in the bubble

905
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 6: that we're seeing. You know, probably the heat aren't making

906
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,280
Speaker 6: it to the finals if we're not playing in the bubble.

907
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 6: But that's the way it's going right now, so you

908
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 6: got to embrace it.

909
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 3: Anything else to add task before we move on?

910
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 5: No, I have enjoyed this conversation, but I'm ready to

911
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 5: move on.

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00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:21,480
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Speaker 9: really really really enjoy pondering how the bubble will affect

916
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Speaker 9: these young guys in their entire career when you think

917
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 9: about it. Anyways, speaking of kids, I have one and

918
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919
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921
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Speaker 9: we were assigned essays by the word three thousand words

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924
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925
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Speaker 5: Oh my god.

927
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Speaker 9: Don't get me wrong, I love my son, but the

928
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Speaker 9: last thing I want to do is plow through his

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930
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Speaker 3: So you're a student and you use grammarly cheating or no,

949
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Speaker 3: I guess not, because it's like a tool to help

950
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951
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Speaker 9: Right, Yeah, that's got a plagiarism thing where you can

952
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 9: put your yeah essay in and find out if you

953
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 9: play how mad would.

954
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Speaker 3: You be if you if you wrote it?

955
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 9: I'm sorry, this is this is plagiarized. Maybe not start

956
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 9: with Webster's Dictionary defines.

957
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 3: What's the what's the essay about? Do you even know?

958
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 9: It's something to do with drop? I don't know. He

959
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 9: told me about it, went it's glazed right over. So

960
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 9: I'm not looking forward to reading.

961
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 5: And I'll tell you that.

962
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 3: At least it's only thirty two paragraphs two paragraphs three.

963
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 3: I don't even know.

964
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, I've never heard of of an assignment by the

965
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,359
Speaker 6: paragraph either, for sure.

966
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know the new thing kids are doing now.

967
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 9: Yeah, Well, Jackson when he writes something and when I say, hey,

968
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 9: write me a three page story, he picks like the

969
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 9: biggest most like calligraphy font. It's like classically yeah, oh yeah,

970
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 9: I mean respect right.

971
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got it. Got to double space double come on? Sure?

972
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 2: Why not?

973
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 3: Why not? Yeah? Bump the font up a little bit,

974
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 3: maybe even get a little sneaky, bring the margins in

975
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 3: a little margin works yeah yeah, oh yeah, you know

976
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 3: the margin war.

977
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 5: Tricks.

978
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 3: Oh.

979
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,240
Speaker 6: First thing you do when you open up that document

980
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 6: career news, that's wide funds you don't.

981
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 3: Want that Tyler hero font.

982
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 7: You know what.

983
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 3: You want the fat ice hockey Fund. All right, you

984
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 3: want a Kyle Lowry.

985
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:12,320
Speaker 5: Wide.

986
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 3: I want my ease to be extra boosy. Let's hit

987
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 3: the beach for a few questions. Little beach questions here,

988
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 3: get us in the mood. First one, dunk a ruse,

989
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,280
Speaker 3: dinkrinos and dumper one's.

990
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: That's good.

991
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 3: Dean Waiters is currently a member of the Los Angeles Lakers.

992
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 3: He's barely played in the playoffs and has scored ten

993
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 3: total points. Lest we forget, this is the same season

994
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 3: he was unceremoniously booted off the Heat for eating weed

995
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 3: gummies and posting boat picks. If the Lakers win the

996
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 3: title this year, Waiters will nonetheless receive a ring. Who

997
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 3: are some of your favorite unlikely members of championship teams?

998
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 3: That's from Jeff Beal in Bloomington, Illinois. I'll get to

999
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 3: start it because I always think of this guy and

1000
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:12,800
Speaker 3: I'm like, God, that guy won a title and he

1001
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 3: had a really weird short career. Adam Morrison winning a

1002
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 3: title on the nine to ten Lakers. He's on that team.

1003
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 3: You know he's a number three pick. What was he

1004
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 3: like six oh seven draft. He played for the Bobcats.

1005
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 3: Then he got injured and then it was like sort

1006
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:30,359
Speaker 3: of sort of over from there. But he bounced around

1007
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 3: a little bit. But he played in two playoff games

1008
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 3: I checked, played in blowout wins for either team in

1009
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 3: the first round versus OKC for the Lakers, scored eight points.

1010
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 3: So he's very close to Dion Waiters. But I'm just

1011
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 3: always like that guy. The stash. We're talking about that

1012
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:49,280
Speaker 3: wispy stash on Tyler Herro. How about the stash on Morrison?

1013
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 5: He got too.

1014
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, he went back to back.

1015
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 3: He went back to back. Excuse me, it's even crazier.

1016
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you for reminding that I forgot about

1017
00:44:58,680 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 3: he did. He went back to back.

1018
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure you don't play in the playoffs.

1019
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 3: But okay, so did he get a ring? He probably did,

1020
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 3: I guess.

1021
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 5: Yeah. He was on the team all the way there.

1022
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 5: He was on the end of the bench.

1023
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 3: He played in the playoffs till one year. Yeah.

1024
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 5: Yeah. The funny thing is oversized suit for sure for

1025
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 5: every every game on the play on the on the bench.

1026
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 5: But it's crazy what happened to Adam Morrison. How he

1027
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 5: went from number three pick and a very short career. Yeah.

1028
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: The funny thing about Dion Waiters is if it's a

1029
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: Lakers Heat final, he will win a ring either way,

1030
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 1: won't he because if the Heat Because if the Heat win,

1031
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 1: he played on their team during the season, and then

1032
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 1: obviously if the Lakers, but he gets one anyway.

1033
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 3: So he's incredible. Question.

1034
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got a couple as well from

1035
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 1: the seven o eight team, Brian Scalabrini. Now, you know,

1036
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: he played on that team during the season. He did

1037
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: not play in the playoffs that season, and if you remember,

1038
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,879
Speaker 1: he had a pretty funny postgame interview after they won

1039
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: the championship, sort of just talking trash about, you know,

1040
00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 1: what the team went through, what he did and how

1041
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: hard he worked. It's like, yah, know, he's a role player,

1042
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 1: but he didn't get a minute at all, right in

1043
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 1: the playoffs, and you know, but it was kind of

1044
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 1: like I think Scalibrady knew that, ye know, he was

1045
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 1: he was kind of laughed at a bit and picked on.

1046
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 1: So he was just getting his shots back in at

1047
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 1: everyone else, saying, listen, man, I'm a champion on an

1048
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: NBA team. That's all of the counts and I understand

1049
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: my role, So, you know, respect to him for that.

1050
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 3: Respect to him for that.

1051
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,919
Speaker 5: I'm I always think of Nick Young when it comes

1052
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 5: to this story because he was, you know, a player

1053
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 5: that people made fun of at the beginning of his

1054
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 5: career with the Washington Wizards. He was doing the Cinnamon

1055
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 5: Challenge with JaVale McGee for a few years, and then

1056
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 5: he went to the Lakers and he took that shot

1057
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 5: from up top and he turned around and it rattled

1058
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 5: out because he thought it was going down. So he was, yeah,

1059
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,240
Speaker 5: a bit a bit of a punchline, especially on the internet,

1060
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 5: but it was not a punchline when it came to

1061
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 5: the Warriors run in twenty eighteen. He played for that team.

1062
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 5: He played eighty games during the regular season, and you know,

1063
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 5: he was definitely a role player off the bench. But

1064
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 5: I think he was signed in sort of a similar

1065
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 5: role to Adam Morrison that this guy can get hot

1066
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 5: and score in bunches, and he hit some shots for

1067
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 5: that playoff team for the Warriors. So Nick Young, he

1068
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 5: did it. He did it. I was surprised that he

1069
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 5: didn't get picked up for the Bubble this season because

1070
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,800
Speaker 5: he's not an old man by any means he's I

1071
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 5: thin he's thirty five.

1072
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 3: That's kind of old now, but yeah, it blew my mind.

1073
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 3: Adam Morrison's only thirty six. Wow right, oh my god.

1074
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 3: I thought he was way older than that.

1075
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, he's like he's a reverse Benjamin but he

1076
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:34,280
Speaker 6: way older.

1077
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, what do you got, Trey?

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Speaker 6: I immediately think of a random player on a championship team.

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00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 6: I immediately think of the two thousand and six Heat,

1080
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 6: who had Jason Williams starting as their point guard for

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Speaker 6: a long time. Then he showed up at the White

1082
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 6: House wearing a Hoe Depot T shirt like one of

1083
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 6: the most legendary Internet pictures, and it's like, Jason Williams.

1084
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 3: This guy came in throwing every behind the back pass

1085
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Speaker 3: in the world.

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00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,399
Speaker 6: He eventually made his way to the Grizzlies, where Hube

1087
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 6: Brown said you should throw normal passes, and that's how

1088
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 6: he basically remade his.

1089
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:05,919
Speaker 3: Career to become a role playing point guard.

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Speaker 6: He was pretty solid for the Heat, but very weird

1091
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,240
Speaker 6: to look at that team and see that both Jason

1092
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Speaker 6: Williams and Antoine Walker got a title off of off

1093
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Speaker 6: the Heat. Why not?

1094
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's very very good, good, good ones.

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Speaker 5: There.

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Speaker 3: Let's hear from you guys. Tweet at us at No

1097
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Speaker 3: dunk Sinc. Or let us know in the YouTube comments

1098
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Speaker 3: some of your craziest, unlikeliest champions.

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Speaker 5: Really.

1100
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Speaker 3: I guess Jeremy Lynn on the Raptors is going to

1101
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 3: be a weird one. You know, twenty years from now

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Speaker 3: he was on the raps but because you rememberly insanity

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Speaker 3: and what he did and I ended up picking up

1104
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Speaker 3: the title, maybe he's coming back. As we talked about,

1105
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 3: who knows how old is he?

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Speaker 1: How old is he? That's what we are.

1107
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 3: How old is Jeremy Lynn right now? Yeah?

1108
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 5: Thirty three?

1109
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: Yes, No, he's probably not, so he's he's right in

1110
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:52,359
Speaker 1: the middle there of who do you say, Nick Young?

1111
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 3: And who's the other guy, Adam Morrison?

1112
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Speaker 1: Yeah? Anyway, move on.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I thought you were going to tell me how

1114
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 3: old Jeremy Ln is. No, not thirty two? Okay, good call,

1115
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 3: good call? All right, one more here, Hey, No Dunkers.

1116
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Speaker 3: With Michael Jordan now owning a NASCAR team, would you

1117
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 3: all want to see another mj documentary titled The Next

1118
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 3: Dance that goes behind the scenes of his first NASCAR season.

1119
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 3: I personally think it would be entertaining to watch MJ

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00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 3: be disgusted whenever his team finished second in or talk

1121
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 3: tons of trash to the other teams and berate other

1122
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 3: drivers for bumping his car, even in the slightest. Also,

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Speaker 3: do you think the NBA will ever have a show

1124
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Speaker 3: that follows a team during training camp like Hard Knocks

1125
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 3: on HBO does for the NFL? And what teams would

1126
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 3: you most want to see featured? I would have loved

1127
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:39,839
Speaker 3: to have seen a Jim Boyle in led training camp

1128
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Speaker 3: with the Bulls last year. Thanks for being the best

1129
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 3: podcasters and manscapers in the game. That's from Drew in Michigan.

1130
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 3: So a couple questions there, Trey. You know, you got

1131
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 3: the MJ angle with the NASCAR team, and then you

1132
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 3: got the possibility of whether or not the NBA would

1133
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 3: ever do a Hard Knocks on which team you'd want

1134
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 3: to see?

1135
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Speaker 6: What do you think sign me up for this MJ

1136
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 6: Nascar series? My first inclination is no, I would watch

1137
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 6: a series about NASCAR, and then I think, wait, man,

1138
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:05,800
Speaker 6: you watched two whole series about F one racing and

1139
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 6: now you're waking up to watch them racing Russia on Sunday.

1140
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't wait for it.

1141
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 6: So, yeah, if you're gonna do a Michael Jordan one

1142
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Speaker 6: where he's in NASCAR, that's probably the only way I'm

1143
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Speaker 6: really going to get into Nascar. But at the very

1144
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 6: least I'm gonna get one of these jackets. Whenever they

1145
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:20,399
Speaker 6: come out with them, be looking like a rapper from

1146
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 6: the late nineteen nineties early two thousands in a NASCAR jacket,

1147
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 6: some weird ads on it. I'm sure there'll be a

1148
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 6: jump man at some point, but it's going to be

1149
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 6: the hottest item out there pretty soon, I would think.

1150
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 6: As for a Hard Knocks styled thing, they used to

1151
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 6: have that right. They used to do something called the Association.

1152
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 6: Difference was that it was on standard broadcast television rather

1153
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 6: than HBO, so it was pretty neuter.

1154
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 3: You would have to do it on HBO, so you can.

1155
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 6: Get people actually cussing and you know, just showing us

1156
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 6: their real selves rather than the sanitized version that the

1157
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,799
Speaker 6: league's gonna want to show you. I think a Trailblazers

1158
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 6: one would be pretty interesting. Damian Lillard, CJ McCollum, both

1159
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 6: interesting guy who are very camera friendly. You would have

1160
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 6: if they're able to bring Mellow back, you would have

1161
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 6: that sort of redemption arc of his career. Nurkic is

1162
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 6: a pretty funny guy. Gary Trent Junior, very handsome. They've

1163
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 6: got all the pieces for a solid series.

1164
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Speaker 3: Yeah. The problem is, I would say, trying to compare

1165
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:18,879
Speaker 3: like an NBA Hard Knocks with an NFL Hard Knocks

1166
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 3: is I've watched a decent amount of those Hard Knock

1167
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 3: seasons and they're awesome, but a lot of the drama

1168
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 3: lies in is this guy gonna make the team? Right?

1169
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 3: Because you know, like, yeah, they sort of sometimes focus

1170
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 3: on some of the star players and you see the

1171
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:34,919
Speaker 3: behind the scenes and that's all great, and you could

1172
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 3: still do all that and we have that. I know

1173
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 3: the Raptors do a phenomenal job of that with some

1174
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 3: of the production that they do in like hanging out

1175
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 3: with these guys and stuff. But you don't really have

1176
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 3: that lee in the NBA as much of like, hey

1177
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:47,839
Speaker 3: does it matter at all that much of like whether

1178
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 3: the twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteenth guys, like are these guys

1179
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 3: gonna make the cut or are they not? We're in

1180
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 3: football that they do an unbelievable job of maybe making

1181
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 3: that drama even more important than it is. But for

1182
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:59,320
Speaker 3: some reason, I don't know, I just don't see that

1183
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 3: be there in the NBA for now, But you'd have

1184
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 3: all the other stuff like.

1185
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 1: Drips talking to it. Yeah, I would guess a lot

1186
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:06,839
Speaker 1: of that has to do with the fact there's only

1187
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 1: what twelve to fifteen players making an NBA team, and

1188
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:13,720
Speaker 1: most of you know, the top five or six pretty

1189
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 1: much you know who they are, and then the rest

1190
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 1: of the guys just kind of fill in the well.

1191
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,240
Speaker 3: See, I would say, you know, basically going into every season,

1192
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 3: you know basically the.

1193
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 7: Ten guys that are going to be on the team,

1194
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 7: right right, So what I mean spot, Yeah, yeah, Whereas

1195
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 7: I don't know what positions you're talking about there in football,

1196
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 7: but I'm guessing there's a lot more competition for those

1197
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 7: running backs and all that sort of stuff.

1198
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:36,959
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think a fun one though, would Pete.

1199
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Speaker 1: Now to see the way the Clipper season ended to

1200
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 1: sort of go from where that started to you know,

1201
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,319
Speaker 1: they had that crazy chemistry in the locker room early

1202
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 1: in the season where montrez Harrell was kind of calling

1203
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 1: out the team to the point where they were like

1204
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: still probably the favorite, you know, close enough in the

1205
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:53,399
Speaker 1: Western Conference at the start of the bubble, so then

1206
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:55,800
Speaker 1: blowing that three to one lead and just sort of

1207
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 1: seeing what it was like in the locker room after

1208
00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:59,359
Speaker 1: that game. I think I think there'd be a story

1209
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 1: there because obvious.

1210
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 3: You can see the eye rolls from all the guys. Yeah,

1211
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 3: I'm just talking.

1212
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:04,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, a little bit of sniping at each other as

1213
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 1: well there. And you know that actually next season would

1214
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 1: probably be still pretty fascinating considering I think Paul George

1215
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 1: is the same as Kawhi that they've only got one

1216
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,399
Speaker 1: year left on their contract guarantee where they have to stay.

1217
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 1: So you know, next season could be quite interesting as well,

1218
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:20,360
Speaker 1: if things don't get off to a good start, and

1219
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 1: you know, to see if this experiment where the Clippers

1220
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 1: went all in ends up blowing up in their face.

1221
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 3: It might.

1222
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 1: Maybe they end up though, after one season of this

1223
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:29,879
Speaker 1: of the chaos, they get actually on the same page

1224
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:31,360
Speaker 1: and go on and win the championship. That'd be a

1225
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 1: pretty remarkable story too.

1226
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought we'd get some more personal player footage

1227
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 5: from the bubble, not a not a slickly produced huge

1228
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 5: you know fall this team around because you can't have

1229
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 5: a lot of camera people in there. I don't know

1230
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 5: what are man John Scott from NBA TV is producing

1231
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 5: down there, But I just thought that players have nothing

1232
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 5: to do. They can't be with their families, so why

1233
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 5: why aren't they on IG Live all the time? I

1234
00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:59,919
Speaker 5: was a little disappointed in that. I wanted a little

1235
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Speaker 5: bit more of that.

1236
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Speaker 3: But they are, by all accounts, recording like a documentary

1237
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:06,319
Speaker 3: right down there in the bubble. I don't know who,

1238
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 3: if it's ESPN, the NBA, TV, NBA themselves, like there

1239
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 3: will be I think something, you know, a documentary series

1240
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 3: or whatever after the fact, right that. It takes a

1241
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 3: long time, of course to produce, and we'll hopefully see

1242
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 3: I think.

1243
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:23,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, but like like my hands the last six months,

1244
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 5: it's going to be sanitized, right.

1245
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1246
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:29,839
Speaker 6: That's the thing is that if it's coming out via

1247
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 6: the league or a broadcast partner, you know it's gonna

1248
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 6: be the family friendly stuff. And that's actually the thing

1249
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:39,320
Speaker 6: that's more amazing with Hard Knocks is that the NFL

1250
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:41,839
Speaker 6: is just as image conscious as any other leg out there,

1251
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 6: maybe even more so, and they're willing to put this

1252
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 6: out there and have their coaches and all these players

1253
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 6: look not exactly how you would anticipate, but actually what

1254
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 6: people are really like in real life. It would be

1255
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:53,879
Speaker 6: awesome if if.

1256
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:54,919
Speaker 3: The NBA would do the same.

1257
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 6: I don't see it happening anytime soon though, unfortunately.

1258
00:54:57,800 --> 00:54:59,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you. All right, So great questions.

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Speaker 3: Okay, it's time for tweet of the night.

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Speaker 5: Tweet out the night. Wow, twitt got a couple for

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Speaker 5: you here too, for the price of one twit. First

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Speaker 5: one from Shad Alayan Celtics getting cooked by eleven from

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Speaker 5: a Stranger Things. And that's Tyler Hero in his Wisconsin

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Speaker 5: high school.

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Speaker 1: Days, like two years ago or something.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, probably more like five.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he's like, what fourteen or fifteen maybe?

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Speaker 9: Wow.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's when he started growing his goatee started right there,

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Speaker 6: just came in with those eight hairs.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely not far off though. That's that is good stuff

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Speaker 5: from Shady. Yeah, that's eleven right there, although eleven has

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Speaker 5: changed her look very much. Next one here Jameel Hill.

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Speaker 5: Since we're big teen Wolf fans here, it's a hate

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Speaker 5: relationship with teen Wolf. But Solomon Hill, who never plays

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Speaker 5: for the Miami Heat, checked in. Mell Hill tweeted, I

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Speaker 5: knew as soon as teen Wolf checked in there was

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Speaker 5: no way the Heat were going to lose tonight. Good

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Speaker 5: stuff there from Jamel Solomon Hill of a scraggly look there.

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Speaker 1: Is he's still getting paid from that contract. That he

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Speaker 1: got basically after that series against the Raptors.

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Speaker 5: Wow, I think so. I think so?

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Speaker 1: Was that a Colangelo?

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Speaker 3: That money is not going to the barber.

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Speaker 5: I'll tell you that that was a Pacers contract, wasn't

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Speaker 5: I think?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, against the Raptors.

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Speaker 5: I think that he had a few shots with the

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Speaker 5: Pacers and got paid by the Pelly. And yeah, he

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Speaker 5: was part of the the andre Iguodala trade where he

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Speaker 5: landed with Jay Crowder. They got three parts and now

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Speaker 5: he was playing playoff minute didn't bring him, didn't bring

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Speaker 5: back in the second half.

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Speaker 3: And who's the teen wolf guy that you lovely that.

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Speaker 1: We all hate Styles? Styles Sky?

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Speaker 3: Yes, who's the styles still Stolensky of the of the Bubble.

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Speaker 1: That's a very good question because I mean he he

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Speaker 1: was like a mover and groove, you know, like the attention.

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Speaker 1: I mean pat Riley. Riley gets things done, but he

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Speaker 1: doesn't have that same persona as Styles. You know, he

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Speaker 1: does it all on the side.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's also an old man.

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Speaker 6: I know.

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to I'm trying to give me Michael Porter Junior.

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Speaker 6: He could be a Style.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: He's a bit more, Michael Porter Junior Styles was a

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Speaker 1: man of the people.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, you think Michael Porter Styles.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's a man of the people though.

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Speaker 1: Michael Porter Jr. I think he's sort of keeps to himself.

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Speaker 1: Styles is out there, man, he's amongst it.

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Speaker 3: All right. You just keep thinking about it while we

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Speaker 3: start to wrap this up, because we've got another game

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Speaker 3: on tonight. We're back to the one game a night

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Speaker 3: flow here. It's back to the Western Conference Finals and

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Speaker 3: it is Game four. Lakers, as we've talked about, Oh boy,

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Speaker 3: they're in a tough spot. Tough spot here because you

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Speaker 3: either win this one if you're the Lakers, you're up

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Speaker 3: three to one, and then the Nuggets are happy and

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Speaker 3: they'll storm back, or you throw it tray and you

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Speaker 3: go to two to two and take your chances in

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Speaker 3: a best of three series. But what's one thing you're

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Speaker 3: watching for here in Game four tonight of the West Finals.

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Speaker 6: That's exactly its skeets, as the No Dunks Memes page

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Speaker 6: on Instagram created, It's the Lakers dilemma. Do we go

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Speaker 6: off three one where the Nuggets have won all of

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Speaker 6: their series, or do we straight up let them tie

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Speaker 6: it to too. They're in a no win situation right here,

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Speaker 6: because if they win, they immediately lose, and if they lose,

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Speaker 6: the other team wins. Wow, this is crazy, But if

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Speaker 6: you're really looking at the series, the Nuggets have basically

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Speaker 6: played the Lakers even since Game one, Right, it was

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Speaker 6: definitely a change in series that threw the Nuggets off.

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Speaker 6: Murray and Jokic have shown up for each in every game.

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Speaker 6: And when your two superstars are able to play, well,

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Speaker 6: that's right, two superstars. When they're both showing up, you've

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Speaker 6: got a chance. And you know the Nuggets have a chance.

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Speaker 6: The problem will be that I'm expecting a huge game

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Speaker 6: from Lebron James tonight. He was chilling at least in

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Speaker 6: the first half of Game three. People were saying he

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Speaker 6: was washed, people were saying maybe he's injured, and then

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Speaker 6: of course he did some stuff in the fourth quarter.

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Speaker 6: So we'll see if he's hurt or injured tonight or

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Speaker 6: if he's just the standard great player that he always is.

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Speaker 6: But things are pretty even out West, even though you know,

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Speaker 6: it definitely felt like this series could have been over

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Speaker 6: after the first couple of games.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, Lee, what are you watching?

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Speaker 1: For tonight to see if the Lake has tried to

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Speaker 1: do something to get basically under Jamal Murray's skin. And

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Speaker 1: maybe that's rundo that guy because Jamal Murray, I mean,

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Speaker 1: he cooked him in that fourth quarter down the stretch,

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Speaker 1: and we've seen him do that multiple times in the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: Now he's got his confidence up. I think Jamal Murray's

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Speaker 1: gonna be feeling pretty good. So I wonder if the

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Speaker 1: Lake is like, all right, let's get onto this guy

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Speaker 1: and make sure that he can't do it. Because if

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Speaker 1: you are relying on Monte Morris and you know Michael Porterjr.

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Speaker 1: To hit those baskets, that's okay for Denver. But if

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Speaker 1: Jamal Murray has a big game, then I think the

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Speaker 1: Nuggets know they can win the game. So I think

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Speaker 1: they're going to try to get just just up in

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Speaker 1: his grill from the start, make it make it a

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Speaker 1: bit of an uncomfortable game for him, because we've seen it. Man,

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Speaker 1: when he gets hot, he's he's unbelievable in the bubble

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Speaker 1: down there.

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Speaker 3: So put Lebron on him.

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Speaker 1: See, I don't think I don't think the Nuggets would

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Speaker 1: mind that. I mean, he's not going to do that

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Speaker 1: from the entire game. And Jamal Murray, I mean he's quick,

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Speaker 1: he's quick and get a shot off, and you know,

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Speaker 1: Lebron's a brilliant defender, no question about that. But Jamal Murray,

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Speaker 1: I think his speed and his ability to sort of

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Speaker 1: he's so hrky jerky. He never sort of just goes

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Speaker 1: one way. He's always fidgeting and moving around. So I

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Speaker 1: think Jamal Murray would be okay with that matchup at

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Speaker 1: the start.

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Speaker 5: Kind of like Styles. Huh, he's a hurky jerky gay.

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Speaker 5: He just goes never just deals with what he's supposed

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Speaker 5: to be dealing with. The problem.

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Speaker 9: Was a problem.

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Speaker 3: Stylelenski was a walking bucket. He was a walking.

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Speaker 1: We need to make that T shirts.

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Speaker 3: Shirts. What are you looking at? What are you looking at?

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Speaker 1: Dunk nose?

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Speaker 3: You're looking at dunk nose. Don't we already talked about

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Speaker 3: that people? People would buy those task anything to add

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Speaker 3: for game I think you're watching specifically.

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Speaker 5: Well, Anthony Davis set in the tone from the beginning

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Speaker 5: is the most important thing for the Lakers because they

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Speaker 5: got out Superstar. The Superstars got outplayed by then I

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Speaker 5: get Superstars in Game three there and it's up to

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Speaker 5: the Lakers two stars to set the tone and then

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Speaker 5: everybody else falls in line. And they were not that

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Speaker 5: in Game three. That's all right for them to have

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01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 5: an off game, but I expect them to come back

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01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:54,800
Speaker 5: a fighting as most teams do after losing a game.

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Speaker 5: So looking forward to the whole roster playing for the

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Speaker 5: Lakers in Game four us if they can do it,

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01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 5: because otherwise the Nuggets fill that void boom and they

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01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 5: could be to too very easily.

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Speaker 3: What's the tip timeline tonight's game? I forgot to look,

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01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 3: it's probably a niner. It's got to be a long nights.

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01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:14,560
Speaker 3: It's gonna be a long night. Better stock up on

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01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:17,320
Speaker 3: your energy. Nine o'clock Yeah, okay, great, nine o'clock tip

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Speaker 3: East Coast time, six o'clock Pacific time for all of

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Speaker 3: you out there. Should be fun, hope for another close game.

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Speaker 3: We'll be back tomorrow, of course to break it all

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Speaker 3: down and talk about it in detail. Let me know

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Speaker 3: if I have this right, guys. At one o'clock Eastern today,

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01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 3: Lee on your Instagram account, you're going to be talking

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01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 3: to at Talk Hoops Zach Harper? Is that correct?

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01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:35,320
Speaker 5: Okay?

1453
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:38,720
Speaker 3: And then tasks on the no Dunks Instagram account. You're

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Speaker 3: going to be talking to Grizzlies forward Jaron Jackson Jr.

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01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:44,080
Speaker 5: Actually, no, I'm going to be talking to Jaron Jackson

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Speaker 5: Junior on Jerry Ferrara's Instagram.

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Speaker 8: Know.

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Speaker 5: You got it right, You got it right on No

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Speaker 5: Dunks account, gotcha? Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, all right, that's right. You've got fish. I know

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01:04:57,080 --> 01:04:58,800
Speaker 3: in your house. You adding a turtle soon?

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Speaker 5: I love that band.

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Speaker 3: Gary.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Turtles. No, I'm not into turtles, are you.

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Speaker 3: I used to have turtles. I've talked about them, but no,

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Speaker 3: they're not all that interesting. You know what, though, they're

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01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:11,520
Speaker 3: better than fish.

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Speaker 5: Interesting.

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Speaker 3: Fish are poring. I don't like turtles or fish. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: just a huge aquarium guy as it is. You know,

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01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:22,200
Speaker 3: let's be honest. Email us your questions and comments for

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Speaker 3: to vote. Happy hoopers, voter day, Hoopers, vote day, I

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Speaker 3: guess is what it is technically if I have that right,

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Speaker 3: So go make sure you're registered to vote. For sure,

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Speaker 3: Cliver bros. You heard it here first, have a great time,

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Speaker 3: turn up. Love you guys awesome, thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 5: And remember for sure better than turtles. No, no, no,

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01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:03,880
Speaker 5: turtles are better than fish. You know what, it's a wash,

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Speaker 5: both not too interesting.

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Speaker 3: Embrace the day, people.

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Speaker 9: You could stay boo every day.

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Speaker 3: And that be happy every minute. It's been so long

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Speaker 3: that your funa wait for.

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Speaker 5: It's happened already. It's gonna be grevy