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Speaker 1: so thirty to forty minutes. And then the clouds come up,

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Speaker 1: and then apparently what is revealed, according to Senator Warner,

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Speaker 1: was not fully clothed survivors clinging to their life. And

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Speaker 1: then the second strike. Let's just say this is what look.

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Speaker 1: He believes that if Americans see this video, they will

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Speaker 1: be appalled. There will be and there's a reason why

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Speaker 1: the Pentagon is fighting the release of this video. There

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Speaker 1: is no defense there apparently is going to be no

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Speaker 1: defense of what this video looks like. This is appalling,

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Speaker 1: and there are probably going to be concerns that there

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Speaker 1: are people that might have legal jeopardy here, but realistically,

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Speaker 1: I don't know where you get the legal jeopardy when

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Speaker 1: the president will likely just pardon anybody that is investigated.

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Speaker 1: But there's a reason people are fighting very hard not

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Speaker 1: to release this second video because if what is what

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Speaker 1: Warner described to me a delayed thirty to forty minutes

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Speaker 1: and they were not fully clothed, Essentially, just put yourself

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Speaker 1: for the situation. Your boat explode, You're alive, you're swimming,

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Speaker 1: You're clinging to the remnants of a boat in order

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Speaker 1: to stay afloat not drown. Half your clothes are gone

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Speaker 1: been blown off. Maybe you're just sort of trying to

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Speaker 1: use and we decide to use the second shot. No

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Speaker 1: wonder there are questions why the phrase war crime is

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Speaker 1: being tossed around although we're not at war, because you know,

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Speaker 1: as many a person has pointed out, the question is

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Speaker 1: whether there is not whether this second strike was legal,

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Speaker 1: But we still have real doubts about whether the first

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Speaker 1: strike is legal, and it is worth noting that earlier

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Speaker 1: this week. Earlier last week, Trump offered a veiled threat

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Speaker 1: at Columbia because the president of Columbia has been critical

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Speaker 1: of this, saying that he might not be out of

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Speaker 1: the crosshairs. And then the President has said that they

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Speaker 1: might target some of these folks on land. Whose land

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Speaker 1: is it? Venezuela is a Colombia. Where's this headed? And

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Speaker 1: again there is no Senator Warner could not give me

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Speaker 1: the authority that he could not explain very well the

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Speaker 1: authority that the White House was using that they claim

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Speaker 1: these strikes were legal. I mean, they've cited an authority.

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Speaker 1: It's not the if you're wondering what Senator Warner said,

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Speaker 1: it is not the au MF that was passed by

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Speaker 1: Congress that allowed for the invasion of Iraq, but and

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Speaker 1: which has been used, which was used by Obama as

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Speaker 1: justification for strikes, and I believe Yemen in some other places,

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Speaker 1: So that is not there. So we still don't have

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Speaker 1: a clear picture of the legal authority the White House

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Speaker 1: is claiming to go after these folks. But he has

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Speaker 1: threatened land strikes without asking for any authority from Congress

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Speaker 1: and additional authority from Congress, nor has he made his

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Speaker 1: case to the American public.

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Speaker 2: And by the way.

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Speaker 1: The decision to essentially commandeer an oil tanker rather than

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Speaker 1: just blow it up, although blowing up an oil tanker

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Speaker 1: would have been catastrophic, you know, essentially starting a fire

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Speaker 1: on the Pacific Ocean potentially or the Caribbean Sea depending

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Speaker 1: on where they were hitting this tanker. But if we

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Speaker 1: can board a tanker, we could have boarded these boats.

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Speaker 1: And I think the decision not to attack that tanker

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Speaker 1: and simply to just commandeer it under totally undermines the

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Speaker 1: rationale and justification of the strikes themselves. Why there is

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Speaker 1: no good explanation for why we're not just essentially stopping

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Speaker 1: these boats, grabbing these people and getting some intelligence so

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Speaker 1: that we can actually learn something. And I want to

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Speaker 1: just keep one thing in mind here, just one more

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Speaker 1: thing in mind, which is the president's political standing is

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Speaker 1: not great. He has had a terrible month. He had

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Speaker 1: a terrible Friday, excuse me, Thursday last week when his

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Speaker 1: retribution campaign. You know, basically he's the Emperor with no clothes.

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Speaker 1: As far as Indiana Republicans are concerned, Grand Juries in

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Speaker 1: Virginia are not might want to indict at Ham Sanders,

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Speaker 1: but they won't indict Leticia James. When he's not feeling.

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Speaker 1: When he feels as if things are going bad, that's

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Speaker 1: just when he might do crazier stuff and might attempt

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Speaker 1: crazier stuff to either change the subject or change the picture.

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Speaker 1: One more thing before I get to an important essay

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Speaker 1: that I think you guys have to make note of

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Speaker 1: the president.

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Speaker 2: It is notable to me that the President did.

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Speaker 1: An interview with the Wall Street Journal over the weekend,

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Speaker 1: and the most fascinating aspect of it was his tone change.

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Speaker 1: He essentially is admitting that he's going to lose the

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Speaker 1: mid terms. He said, you know, he basically said, we're

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Speaker 1: going to try our best to win. We'll see what happens.

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Speaker 1: We should win, but you know, statistically it's very tough

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Speaker 1: to win. Yeah, I know, it doesn't make sense. So

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Speaker 1: it's the beginning of the excuse making. It's the beginning

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Speaker 1: of his way of admitting this economy, that the public

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Speaker 1: doesn't like this economy. This was the interview saying, Oh,

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Speaker 1: it's going to take time, my investments haven't gone through.

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Speaker 2: It will happen.

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Speaker 1: Just be patient, and as he said, hopefully it happens

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Speaker 1: before the election, but it's notable, right. He went from

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Speaker 1: this is a hoax two weeks ago to at least

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Speaker 1: in this interview with the Wall Street Journal, sort of

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Speaker 1: accepting the premise. Yes, we realized the public doesn't feel

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Speaker 1: it or see it yet, but they will.

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Speaker 2: But they will, he promises. He swears.

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Speaker 1: These are these stages. We should call it stages of

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Speaker 1: political It's not quite political grief, but it's sort of like,

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Speaker 1: you know, first there's a dial right, then there's you know,

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Speaker 1: somehow your argumentative. Then there's a form of acceptance. He's

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Speaker 1: getting into the form of acceptance, but he's not accepting

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Speaker 1: the premise that his policies are a problem. He's just

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Speaker 1: simply saying his policies haven't.

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Speaker 2: Kicked in yet.

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Speaker 1: In that sense, he's no different than any other president

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Speaker 1: trying to defend a bad economy.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, no.

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Speaker 1: My policies haven't kicked in yet. It's always my policies

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Speaker 1: haven't kicked in yet. I'm dealing with the predecessor's policies.

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Speaker 1: So that says it's a familiar pattern. Perhaps the best

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Speaker 1: part of that Wall Street Journal interview was the fact

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Speaker 1: that you know he's doing the interview with the Wall

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Speaker 1: Street Turnal reporters. But he's taking calls and doing all

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Speaker 1: sorts of stuff at the same time. Right, And here's

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Speaker 1: the I'm going to read directly from the article. At

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Speaker 1: one point, the President, sitting at the resolute desk with

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Speaker 1: a glittering Christmas tree at its side, asked an aid

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Speaker 1: to show him the latest market data. He took calls

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Speaker 1: from friends and allies multiple times during the interview, including

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Speaker 1: from Interior Secretary Doug Bergham, who joined by speakerphone to

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Speaker 1: discuss the administration's plans for Washington, d C.

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Speaker 2: Area public golf courses.

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Speaker 1: That is right, the President seems to not be worried

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Speaker 1: about the price of groceries as much as he's worried

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Speaker 1: about the designs and who's in charge of redesigning Washington

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Speaker 1: D C's three public golf courses, Rock Creek Park, Haynes

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Speaker 1: Point in Langston.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you're.

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Speaker 1: Trying to hand democrats, it's easier fodder to say, you know,

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Speaker 1: he promised this, to focus, laser focus on this and this,

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Speaker 1: and instead he cares about building a ballroom, changing the

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Speaker 1: name of the Kennedy Center, singing YMCA, and redesigning Washington,

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Speaker 1: d C's golf courses, all of course extraordinarily important priorities

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Speaker 1: to bringing down the costs of electricity and groceries in

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Speaker 1: your home. Anyway, just not the smartest politician, but Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump's never been the smartest about messaging in that front.

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Speaker 1: But that brings me to I think a very important

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Speaker 1: essay from a quarterly journal. I'm a politically like I say,

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Speaker 1: I'm a want to be political scientist, I call myself

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Speaker 1: a political anthropologist. That means I actually read political science quarterlies.

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Speaker 1: And there's an extraordinarily important one that's out this week.

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Speaker 1: It's an essay in Foreign Affairs, which is the flagship

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Speaker 1: journal of the Council Foreign Relations. This isn't a partisan outlet,

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Speaker 1: it's not a resistance blog. It's the magazine where American presidents,

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Speaker 1: Secretary of States, national security advisors have gone for generations

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Speaker 1: debate how the world works and how the United States

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Speaker 1: role it should be. So three of the most respected

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Speaker 1: democracy scholars in the world from Harvard Toronto and the

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Speaker 1: Council on Foreign Relations, Steven Levitsky Luke and Way and

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Speaker 1: Daniel Ziblat. They're not cable pundits, they're not people you're

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Speaker 1: going to see in the round tables of Sunday shows.

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Speaker 1: They're not political activists. They're simply political scientists who spent

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Speaker 1: their career studying how democracies erode around the world, how

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Speaker 1: they fail, and occasionally how they recover.

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Speaker 2: Well. They have an essay called.

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Speaker 1: With about competitive authoritarianism, and in fact, this is what

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Speaker 1: they write. And this is why I took up very seriously.

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Speaker 1: This was not something I read, no offense to my

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Speaker 1: friends at the Bulwark. It's not something I read in

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Speaker 1: the Bulwark, not something you're going to see it here

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Speaker 1: in pod Save of America. Certainly not you might. I

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Speaker 1: doubt you'll hear this from my friend Eric Ericson either.

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Speaker 1: But here's this essay twenty twenty five. The United States

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Speaker 1: ceased to be a full democracy in the way that Canada,

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Speaker 1: Germany or even Argentina are democracies. Okay, they're just making

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Speaker 1: a classification. And then comes the line the game, however,

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Speaker 1: is far from up. They're not saying all is lost, okay.

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Speaker 1: It is an important essay because they deal with this

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Speaker 1: tension of yes we have had erosion and no, this

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Speaker 1: isn't permanent. Okay, So they argue that Donald Trump's second term,

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Speaker 1: the United States crossed a definitional line into something political

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Speaker 1: scientists call competitive authoritarianism. Here's how they define it. A

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Speaker 1: system in which parties compete and elections, but incumbents routinely

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Speaker 1: abuse their power to punish critics untilt the playing field

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Speaker 1: against their opposition. So elections still happen, but perhaps you

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Speaker 1: threaten lawmakers to redraw the maps to make more favorable elections.

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Speaker 1: Opposition parties still exist, but perhaps you raise the threshold

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Speaker 1: for petition signatures to get on a referendum, or you

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Speaker 1: change the dates and stuff see Missouri. But the referee

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Speaker 1: is no longer neutral, right, and the House rules keep changing.

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Speaker 1: And importantly, they're not saying this might happen, because it's

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Speaker 1: already happened in this country. A year ago, this group

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Speaker 1: predicted that this would be Trump's trajectory, that he'd weaponized

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Speaker 1: state institutions the way elected autocrats have done in Hungry, Turkey, Venezuela,

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Speaker 1: and India. And those are the four most important examples

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Speaker 1: to follow here, because Venezuela obviously the helm election, the

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Speaker 1: leader loss, and he wouldn't leave Turkey, Hungary and India

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Speaker 1: have are what are considered fairsh elections. But we'll find

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Speaker 1: out when the ruling party loses one day just how

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Speaker 1: fair they are. But they write this, Indeed, the Trump

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Speaker 1: administration has done exactly that. But here's what the authors say.

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Speaker 1: They didn't anticipate. What's surprised even them wasn't the speed,

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Speaker 1: but it was the scope. And they write this, one

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Speaker 1: form of authoritarian behavior that we did not anticipate a

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Speaker 1: year ago was the Trump administration's routine subversion of the

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Speaker 1: law and even the US Constitution. Well, we've seen that

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Speaker 1: with the strikes within as well. I mean, there is

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Speaker 1: very little, very little doubt here that this is not

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Speaker 1: yet not constitutional. The question is whether they'll even try

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Speaker 1: to give some congressional authority on that. So let me

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Speaker 1: outline a few more things that they write here, weaponizing

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Speaker 1: the state. They call it the blueprint. Every competitive authoritarian

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Speaker 1: regime follows a familiar playbook. Purge, then pack, so removing

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Speaker 1: professional civil servants who see their job as the law

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Speaker 1: and replace them with loyalists who see their job as

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Speaker 1: the leader. Just to look at the FBI, that's exactly

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Speaker 1: what they document happening inside the Justice Department, the FBI

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Speaker 1: and other key agencies. When officials resisted, they were just

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Speaker 1: simply removed. We've seen US attorneys, deputy US attorneys just

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Speaker 1: summarily fired. When replacements were chosen, they weren't selected for experience,

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Speaker 1: but for loyalty, including, as the author's note, Trump's own

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Speaker 1: personal lawyers installed as senior Justice Department officials. It's just

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Speaker 1: right out of, right, out of sort of. There's a

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Speaker 1: fun parody about authoritarianism called Moon over Parador, with Richard

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Speaker 1: Dreyfus to write that what seemed like parody is now real. Right,

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Speaker 1: And then even when prosecutions don't lead to convictions, the

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Speaker 1: authors explain why that doesn't matter. Such investigations themselves are

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Speaker 1: the powerful form of harassment, right, making Adam Shift hire

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Speaker 1: a lawyer, making Letitia James deal with this, making James

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Speaker 1: Comy deal with this, legal fees, time, reputational damage, career

655
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Speaker 1: disrupt eruption. The punishment is often the process itself. They

656
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Speaker 1: don't care if they get convictions. They just want them

657
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Speaker 1: constantly made to be, you know, unhireable. Don't get them

658
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Speaker 1: on corporate boards, make them seem as if they're controversial figures.

659
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Speaker 1: Then of course you got to follow the money. Because

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Speaker 1: this is what's happened with their next move, going after

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Speaker 1: civil society. How's the Trump administration done this. They've ordered

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Speaker 1: investigations into Act Blue, the primary arm of the Democratic Party,

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Speaker 1: Open Society Foundations, the George Soros founded organization. The Wall

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Speaker 1: Street Journal reported that that there are plans to target

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Speaker 1: Democratic donors through the IRS. That's right out of the

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Speaker 1: competitive authoritarian handbook that these political scientists know. Then there's

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Speaker 1: the pressure campaign against the media. Trump sued the New

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Speaker 1: York Times. On the Wall Street Journal, the FCC opened

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Speaker 1: silly investigations into ABC, CBS, PBS, NPR, Comcast, which owns NBC.

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Speaker 1: We've seen the FCC chair act like a thug in

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Speaker 1: threatening Jimmy Kimmel, Disney and NBC. It is it is,

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Speaker 1: and what makes this so dangerous and so effective is

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Speaker 1: is not just what happened, but because of what didn't happen.

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Speaker 1: In fact, the our authors are arguing that the most

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Speaker 1: insidious change isn't the repression, it's been the self censorship.

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Speaker 1: They point that outlets I've become realigning and pull back,

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Speaker 1: like the Washington Post, like the editorial page is kind

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Speaker 1: of a clown show. Now it is just outside of George, Well,

679
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Speaker 1: there's not a readable columnists left in that place.

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Speaker 2: It is just a joke.

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Speaker 1: The editorial page itself is sort of it's like they

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Speaker 1: have one thing they do every time if there's some

683
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Speaker 1: economic controversy, they write some convoluted editorial attacking Elizabeth Warren.

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Speaker 1: I guess that makes Cheff Bezos feel better, but it

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Speaker 1: has nothing to do with the point itself or any

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Speaker 1: of the actual rational debate that's gone on. You've had

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Speaker 1: the teen Vogue has sort of gotten rid of their

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Speaker 1: political coverage. CBS clearly just has a new owner and

689
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Speaker 1: they just wiped out, you know, brought in virtue signaling

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Speaker 1: new editors to run thing. We've seen Disney cave in,

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Speaker 1: We've seen plenty of again, all of these legacy media,

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Speaker 1: these corporate owned, shareholder driven media organizations that all fall

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Speaker 1: under Donald Trump's potential influence.

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Speaker 2: Due to government.

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Speaker 1: Regulation, they've all capitulated, which is why frankly, we're doing

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Speaker 1: so well here the podcast, so in some ways, thank you,

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Speaker 1: but unfortunately this is why we've all gone down this

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Speaker 1: independent road. Because if you want to be honest and

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Speaker 1: if you want to tell the truth, you're gonna have

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Speaker 1: to find a different outlet, because you're not gonna be

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Speaker 1: able to do it at the Washington Post, You're not

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Speaker 1: gonna be able to do it at the major legacy TV.

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Speaker 2: Networks that are left.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying individuals aren't trying, but collectively they're not

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Speaker 1: even giving a chance. And here's the other thing. Here's

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Speaker 1: the part we don't know. What makes self censorship so

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Speaker 1: insidious is that it is virtually impossible to ascertain its

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Speaker 1: full impact. So wrote these authors, right, we can see

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Speaker 1: a firing, we can see a cancelation. What we can't

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Speaker 1: see are the stories that are never pitched, the investigations

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Speaker 1: that get quietly abandoned, or the headlines that are softened

712
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Speaker 1: out of fear, or the questions that don't get asked

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Speaker 1: stunt camera because executives in New York tell their correspondence

714
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Speaker 1: please don't do it. Because our corporate overlords are afraid

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Speaker 1: of blowback from the president.

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Speaker 2: That is happening.

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Speaker 1: You can guess where that's coming from. That's how democracies

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Speaker 1: hollow out. And this is where the essay draws a

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Speaker 1: crucial historical line. America has had its dark chapters. Jim

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Speaker 1: Crow red Scared, Japanese Internment mccarthyis and Nixon. But the

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Speaker 1: authors also argue that after Watergate, the overt authoritarian abuse

722
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Speaker 1: largely disappeared. Since nineteen seventy four, no democratic or Republican

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Speaker 1: administration had systematically politicized law enforcement or targeted political rivals

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Speaker 1: the way Donald Trump is doing.

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Speaker 2: George W.

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Speaker 1: Bush, his Justice Department investigator Republicans and Democrats. Barack Obama

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Speaker 1: appointed James Comey, a Republican, to be the head of

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Speaker 1: the FBI. Joe Biden kept Christopher Ray as head of

729
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Speaker 1: the FBI and appointee of Donald Trump. Mind you, Meyrick

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Speaker 1: Garland bent over backwards as Attorney General, sometimes to a fault,

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Speaker 1: to avoid the appearance of political interference. So the conclusion

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Speaker 1: is one in each of those critical areas that Trump

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Speaker 1: administration stands alone in its authoritarianism. Now, none of this

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Speaker 1: is inevitable. And here's where the essay shifts from diagnosis

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Speaker 1: to prognosis.

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Speaker 2: He says, the.

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Speaker 1: US still has advantages that most competitive authoritarian regimes do not.

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Speaker 1: There's still an independent judiciary, there's still a professional military,

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Speaker 1: though Pete haik Seth is trying to erode it. There's

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Speaker 1: still strong federalism. I mean, look at the way Ron

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Speaker 1: DeSantis is pushed back on the AI issue. In the

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Speaker 1: AI moratorium that Trump has done, there's still a vibrant

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Speaker 1: civil society hello, and there's a unified opposition party. And

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Speaker 1: Trump himself lacks the single most important asset the author's

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Speaker 1: note for authoritarian consolidation overwhelming popularity. Successful autocrats often rule

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Speaker 1: with approval ratings over eighty percent. Trump is stuck in

747
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Speaker 1: the low forties. And it's actually trending downward that matters.

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Speaker 2: So that brings us to what they are. Thank you,

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Speaker 2: is the greatest.

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Speaker 1: Danger of them all. The greatest danger is not repression,

751
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Speaker 1: but demobilization. It's not tanks, it's not mass arrests, its

752
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Speaker 1: acceptance and resignation. It's people deciding not to run, not

753
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Speaker 1: to donate, not to sue, not to vote. And then

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Speaker 1: this line, which is really the thesis of the piece,

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Speaker 1: The outcome of this struggle remains open. It will turn

756
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Speaker 1: less than the strength of the authoritarian government than on

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Speaker 1: whether enough citizens act as though their efforts still matter,

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Speaker 1: because for now they still do. So there you go, Levitzky,

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Speaker 1: Way and Ziblat. They aren't telling Americans to panic, They're

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Speaker 1: just telling you what is Okay, this is what has

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Speaker 1: happened to America the first year of Trump's second term.

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Speaker 1: We have slipped into something called competitive authoritarianism. He is

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Speaker 1: trying to create an authoritarian regime. There is democracy still,

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Speaker 1: there is still competition, okay. And our future is not

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Speaker 1: set in stone or the cement is still wet.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: They're warning against two equally dangerous instincts, complacency and fatalism.

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Speaker 1: The future is going to be unstable.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: Neither full democracy nor entrenched dictatorship is going to happen.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be a struggle. It is going to

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Speaker 1: be a fight. The next elections may be fought in

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Speaker 1: theory over policy differences, but they're really going to be

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Speaker 1: about the larger issue of what kind of system are

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Speaker 1: we choosing to live under? And that danger isn't that

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Speaker 1: democracy disappears overnight. It's the danger is people stop believing

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Speaker 1: that they can defend it. So please go read this piece.

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Speaker 1: It's extraordinarily important. It's well argued, it is you know,

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Speaker 1: evidence based, it is data driven. Is it is not

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Speaker 1: just alarmist cable commentary. And that's the most important thing.

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Speaker 1: And it comes from a place in the Council on

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Speaker 1: Foreign Relations where important ideas sort of get launched for debate.

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Speaker 1: And this is one that more and more mainstream Americans

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Speaker 1: need to understand.

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Speaker 1: into the time machine. We're going to go back to

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Speaker 1: December seventeenth, nineteen eighty nine. A young Chuck Todd was

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Speaker 1: a senior in high school. In case you were wondering

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Speaker 1: what I was doing, December seventeenth, nineteen eighty nine, it

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Speaker 1: was the debut of an animated series for adults called

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Speaker 1: The Simpsons. And who knew what kind of impact this?

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Speaker 1: I would argue, bigger than Saturday Night Live, bigger than

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Speaker 1: Meet the Press, right sort of, the launched Sunday Affairs

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Speaker 1: Conversations right in some ways before it was the first

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Speaker 1: place you ever had back and forth on politics in

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Speaker 1: a first radio and televised arena. We had Saturday Night Live,

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Speaker 1: sort of the king of parody. And then there's The Simpsons,

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Speaker 1: And in some ways the Simpsons are probably is important

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Speaker 1: of a participant into the changing ways that we satirized

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Speaker 1: politics than any other program that has been launched in

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Speaker 1: the last in the history of television. So that's the

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Speaker 1: subject of my time machine history lesson of the day.

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Speaker 1: How the Simpsons rewired politics, media and animation. And it

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Speaker 1: all started December seventeen, nineteen eighty nine. It was a

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Speaker 1: Christmas special. I remember it was a short on The

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Speaker 1: Tracy Ollman Show back in the day, but this Christmas

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Speaker 1: special aired on Fox and it looked loud, rough and

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Speaker 1: kind of disposable. Right, thirty five years later, that cartoon

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Speaker 1: hasn't just outlasted its peers, it's outlasted entire media eras.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: The Simpsons didn't just mock American politics, that's easy. What

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Speaker 1: they did is they reshaped on Americans understand power, persuasion,

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Speaker 1: and performance, and in the process they changed what animation

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Speaker 1: itself can be. And what I loved about what the

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Speaker 1: Simpsons did is they did it.

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Speaker 2: Look.

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Speaker 1: Was there a social socially liberal lean to the show, sure,

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Speaker 1: but it was not necessarily a liberal show or a

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Speaker 1: conservative show. In many ways really mocked process and it

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Speaker 1: was really good at surfacing hypocrisy and surfacing the absurdity

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Speaker 1: of the professionalization of politics. And in fact, one of

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Speaker 2: And I want to.

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Speaker 1: Pop through a few shows that I think where they

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Speaker 1: really were brilliant and what they did. And when you

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Speaker 1: watch these shows today, you're think, oh, I've seen this

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Speaker 1: in other places, But at the time, nobody had ever

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Speaker 1: done this before. So Burns for Governor. When Moni Burns

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Speaker 1: ran for governor, the Simpsons showcased in the pop culture

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Speaker 1: area that something that we political reporters already knew, we

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Speaker 1: political junkies already knew that campaigns were a business. The

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Speaker 1: episode two cars in every garage and three eyes on

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Speaker 1: every fish. Mister Burns he doesn't just run for governor

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Speaker 1: because he believes in anything. He runs because regulation threatens him.

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Speaker 1: That's why he decides he wants to run for office.

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Speaker 1: The telling moment isn't the mutant fish. It's when Burns

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Speaker 1: instructs Smithers to assemble a campaign operation the way a

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00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 1: CEO would assemble a management team. And so for the

865
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 1: wider world, they understood give me a pollster, a media handler,

866
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 1: speech writer, an image consultant. And the episode showcased that

867
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 1: Burns understood something essential. Campaigns aren't moral arguments, they're simply

868
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 1: logistical ones. Now he loses not because voters rejected his policies,

869
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 1: but because he fails to convincingly perform as a relatable figure. Right,

870
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: he won't eat the fish. It's a lesson that campaigns

871
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:09,359
Speaker 1: still learn relearn every cycle. Another episode that I thought

872
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 1: did a good job at sort of mocking government and

873
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 1: politics the monorail episode and the use of Broadway to

874
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 1: explain infrastructure failure. The episode Marge versus the Monorail endures

875
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 1: because it understands persuasion better than most policy memos do.

876
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:25,240
Speaker 1: The episode is a deliberate homage to the music band

877
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 1: Monoreil Monoreel. Sorry Lyle Lanley is Harold Hill selling civic

878
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 1: fantasy through charming song. Well, the Monorail isn't about transportation,

879
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: it was simply about identity. Springfield doesn't choose the monorail

880
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 1: because it's efficient. I don't think they really needed one.

881
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 1: They choose it because it made them feel important. That's

882
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 1: how it was sold to them. In some ways, what

883
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:47,279
Speaker 1: it was mocking were all the smaller cities that were

884
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: getting talked into debt financing arenas and other sort of

885
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 1: supposedly public arenas or entertainment complexes or concert halls, but

886
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 1: they were really about just helping them private entity make money.

887
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 1: The episode's genius in some ways was showing that democracy

888
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 1: can be overwhelmed by spectacle, not ignorance. In Mister Lisa

889
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: Goes to Washington, it remained one of the smarter portrayals

890
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:17,399
Speaker 1: of civic education that we've had on television. Lisa's faith

891
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,800
Speaker 1: in democracy is shaken, but it's not destroyed. The system

892
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:24,760
Speaker 1: works barely because exposure still has power.

893
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:25,839
Speaker 2: Sometimes.

894
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 1: The episode frequently is cited in academic work, believe it

895
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 1: or not, because it models critical citizenship skepticism without disengagement.

896
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 1: It goes back to the essay I had at the

897
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,439
Speaker 1: beginning of this episode, right, don't give up. Even when

898
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 1: you think the system is rigged and it's messy and

899
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 1: it's ugly, there are still ways that you can make

900
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 1: the system work. Then, of course, there was sideshow Bob Roberts.

901
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 1: Good homage to that mockumentary back in the day that

902
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 1: show went further side show Bob riggs an election. It's

903
00:52:54,120 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 1: revealed and he wins anyway, sound familiar. Episode predicts scandal fatigue,

904
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 1: the idea that information alone no longer guarantees accountability. Unfortunately,

905
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 1: that was something that I think when people watched it

906
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:11,840
Speaker 1: at the time. Oh no, that wouldn't really happen. Let's

907
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:15,800
Speaker 1: just say the episode has aged uncomfortably well. Trash of

908
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 1: the Titans populism, deferred costs, and moral hatcher. Trash of

909
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 1: the Titans is local politics.

910
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 2: Done brutally right.

911
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 1: Homer runs for sanitation commissioner, promising more services, less effort,

912
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: and no responsibility. His slogan, can't someone else do it?

913
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 1: It isn't laziness, it is actually resentment. Once elected, Homer

914
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 1: delivers exactly what he promised, and the system collapses under

915
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:39,800
Speaker 1: the weight of deferred costs.

916
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 2: Right.

917
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 1: The most revealing moment isn't the failure, it's the response.

918
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:48,320
Speaker 1: Springfield exports its garbage to another town. The episode captures

919
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: a timeless political truth. When costs are delayed or displaced,

920
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 1: accountability totally evaporates. Look it was. One thing about the

921
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 1: Simpsons is after a while their success at mocking actually

922
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 1: made it where politicians wanted to be seen as on

923
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 1: the side of the Simpsons, that on the side of

924
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 1: the reasonable people, that they weren't the crazy runs. And

925
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:17,399
Speaker 1: you've had all sorts of people who have participated. Let

926
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:21,439
Speaker 1: their voice. Barack Obama, I think Joe Biden did once

927
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 1: outcore Rush Limbaugh.

928
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:23,839
Speaker 2: Did.

929
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 1: I believe you've had the George hw Bush episode when

930
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 1: he moves across the street from Homer is really well

931
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 1: done and it is almost in some ways an homage

932
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: hw Bush. So it was proof and certainly plenty of

933
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 1: media figures participated over the years Springfield became a legitimate

934
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 1: public square. Then, of course there's the impact that the

935
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:49,840
Speaker 1: Simpsons had on what we all watched today, right. I know,

936
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 1: I'm a fan of a lot of adult animation these days,

937
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 1: and we have the Simpsons to think, right, think about it.

938
00:54:55,760 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 1: Before the Simpsons animation in America simply meant kids. After

939
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 1: the Simpsons animation meant tone and not age, right, And

940
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 1: what we all figured out was it was easier to

941
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 1: see an animated figure tell us an uncomfortable truth that

942
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 1: a real person telling us an uncomfortable truth.

943
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 2: Right.

944
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:14,879
Speaker 1: Without the Simpsons, we wouldn't have had King of the Hill,

945
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:21,400
Speaker 1: South Park Family, Guy, Futurama, Archer, BoJack, Horseman, Rick and Morty.

946
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 1: I know I'm leaving a bunch out. You want to

947
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 1: tell me your favorite You want to tell me you

948
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:29,320
Speaker 1: know what you think the Simpsons did to impact political culture.

949
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:31,359
Speaker 1: I'd love to hear from you. And then, of course

950
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: there's one of my favorite homages to the Simpsons. Two

951
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 1: thousand and two, South Park aired an entire episode that

952
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 1: might be the most honest tribute of them all. It

953
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:41,760
Speaker 1: was called Simpsons Did It, and the premise was simple.

954
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 1: Every idea of the South Park writers were trying to

955
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 1: come up with had already been done by the Simpsons.

956
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 2: And the whole punchline of the episode is.

957
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 1: Over and over again character shout out, Simpsons did It.

958
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 1: It wasn't being a mockery, it was simply acknowledgment. It

959
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:57,760
Speaker 1: was clear our friends at south Park probably had writer's

960
00:55:57,800 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 1: block that week, and it may be why they went

961
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:03,280
Speaker 1: to decide to just stick to parroting in the moment

962
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 1: stuff on that front. But that episode captured something every

963
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 1: creator understands. The Simpsons didn't just open the door. They

964
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 1: mapped the room right, and they they allowed so many

965
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 1: other creators to come in and have their own version

966
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: of this in their own take an entire generation of

967
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:23,799
Speaker 1: writers to find the boundaries of what animated storytelling could

968
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:29,800
Speaker 1: do politically, culturally, and emotionally. So the Simpsons still kicking.

969
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:34,359
Speaker 1: They didn't just survive history. They've explained it. They taught

970
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 1: audiences how to spot performative leadership, civic spectacle, deferred accountability,

971
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 1: media driven politics, and they did it while teaching animation

972
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 1: how to grow up. So that's why the show still matters.

973
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 1: And somewhere a creator is still pitching an idea only

974
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 1: to hear a familiar voice in the room say, Simpsons

975
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 1: did it all right, let's get into a little ass

976
00:56:54,760 --> 00:57:00,360
Speaker 1: chuck ass chuck to do.

977
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 2: Here's my promise to you.

978
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 1: Some of you probably been wondering, Hey, I threw a

979
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 1: question in here a while ago. How come you haven't

980
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:08,359
Speaker 1: dealt with it? I thought it was a pretty good question. Well,

981
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 1: I'm going to have an entire episode where I'm just

982
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 1: answering questions and trying to play catch up a little bit.

983
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 1: That'll happen in a couple of weeks and yes, if

984
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 1: you want to chalk it up to oh, it's the holidays,

985
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 1: but yes, okay, but it's going to be new content.

986
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 1: I promise it is not. It is not me just

987
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 1: trying to well. It is me trying to have a

988
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 1: couple of days off. I'm not going to lie about that.

989
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 1: But it will be timely and it will be useful,

990
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 1: I promise. But let me get in here. Get three

991
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 1: or four questions in here. First one comes from Tiffany

992
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 1: and she writes, did Adam Schiff hurt or help Mandela

993
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 1: Barnes by endorsing him for Wisconsin Governor? I live in Wisconsin.

994
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 1: I have voted Republican until twenty eighteen. I think there

995
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 1: are a lot of people like me politically in Wisconsin.

996
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 1: I don't know that anyone in Wisconsin will appreciate endorsement

997
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 1: from California. Also, recent history shows that big endorsements from

998
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 1: the Republican Party fail in Wisconsin. It seems a little

999
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 1: out of touch for the Democrats big endorsements like this, thoughts.

1000
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 2: Thank you Tiffany.

1001
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 1: Well, Tiffany, there's one simple reason why an Adam Shi,

1002
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 1: why a Mandela Barnes would consider an Adam shift endorsement

1003
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 1: meaningful or helpful to him, and that is that Adam

1004
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 1: Shift has one of the most lucrative emailress of fundraising

1005
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 1: lists in the country. One he's from the largest state,

1006
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 1: particularly the largest liberal state in California. Two by being

1007
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 1: the face of impeachment, he build a massive donor list.

1008
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 1: Then being attacked by Donald Trump constantly has only served

1009
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 1: to make that donor list more active, more viable.

1010
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 2: So you are right.

1011
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody, any Wisconsin voter is going to

1012
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 1: be moved by the endorsement. And if Mandela Barnes actually

1013
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 1: puts uses Adam Shift's endorsement and paid media, he'd be

1014
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 1: a fool. No offense to Adam Shift. But I don't

1015
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 1: think any make cares. I think you're absolutely right. But

1016
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 1: if you're wondering why is that, why does this endorsement

1017
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 1: mean something to Mandela Barnes to Chang to ching, to

1018
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:09,959
Speaker 1: ching to ching. It is access to that email list,

1019
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 1: That's what it is. And Adam Shift probably only only

1020
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 1: president presidential nominees probably have bigger and more interesting level

1021
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 1: like Kamala Harris's list that she controls was going to

1022
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 1: be a good one. But Adam Shift is probably the

1023
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 1: single best left leaning fundraising list in America. That is

1024
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:37,959
Speaker 1: not that for somebody who never ran for president. He's

1025
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 1: just all the ingredients are there, the impeachment, the attacks

1026
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 1: from Trump's and being from California.

1027
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 2: You throw all that in there.

1028
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 1: That was why Mandela Barnes wanted that endorsement, and why

1029
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 1: the endorsement matters to him. It is not intended to

1030
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 1: try to persuade you, and in fact, it sounds like

1031
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 1: that that stuff might actually dissuade you. And I think

1032
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 1: in some ways some of these endorsement I don't think.

1033
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 1: I don't think endorsem Smith's matter unless they bring you

1034
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 1: something else. And in this case, what he's looking for

1035
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 1: is just access to grassroots dollars, and Adam Schiff probably

1036
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 1: has the single best fundraising.

1037
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 2: Lists there is.

1038
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 1: All right, let me go to next question comes from

1039
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 1: Max w Hey, Chuck and Chris ah Hey, Solissa, you're

1040
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 1: not answering your mail bag, so I'm gonna have to

1041
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 1: answer your leftovers here.

1042
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 2: Max W.

1043
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 1: Wrights, I posted this as a comment for Chris Silia's

1044
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 1: mail bag already, but I want to suggest again what

1045
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 1: I think is a great wager. Oh on the Aggies

1046
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:30,560
Speaker 1: versus Kane's matchup, loser shaves his head. Why are we

1047
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:33,439
Speaker 1: doing this? No shaving of heads or goatee's or anything

1048
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 1: like this, but okay, let me listen.

1049
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:36,040
Speaker 2: He goes.

1050
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 1: It's don monetary, demonstrates actual commitment to the schools you

1051
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 1: both support. I've made a few loser shaves bets in

1052
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 1: my day, and I'll be honest, I've never felt more

1053
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 1: invested in a result. Maybe Reginald could handle the Clippers

1054
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:48,680
Speaker 1: well if you know, you know, but you'd better get

1055
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 1: them to him before he hits the Johnny Walker blue things.

1056
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 2: I will I have.

1057
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,919
Speaker 1: I'm one time, let Tapper, Jake Tapper talk me into

1058
01:00:56,920 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 1: a This was back Phillies Dodgers Sarah twenty thirteen, twenty

1059
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 1: twelve NLCS, maybe twenty fourteen NLCS. I'm just trying to

1060
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:10,880
Speaker 1: remember when the Dodgers were, you know, still hadn't quite

1061
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 1: gotten broken through. They were still still you know, thinking,

1062
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 1: you know, they were still believing Matt Kemp was the

1063
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:20,720
Speaker 1: best player they could sign. Right, They weren't quite the

1064
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 1: Dodgers yet, they hadn't been become the juggernaut that they

1065
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 1: had become. And the Phillies were prett Good Juggernaut, that

1066
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:31,040
Speaker 1: team that was the sort of the last gasp of

1067
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 1: Ryan Howard and that crowd, and Tapper wanted to create

1068
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 1: some social media fun and he wanted to make it.

1069
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 1: He was going to grow and I was going to

1070
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:45,439
Speaker 1: shave one. I never agreed to the bet, but he

1071
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:49,800
Speaker 1: tried to social media bully me about it anyway, So

1072
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 1: no I I lost and made a nice sizeable contribution

1073
01:01:55,520 --> 01:02:01,200
Speaker 1: to the charity of his choice. Look now, I will

1074
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:06,040
Speaker 1: say this, I'm probably more comfortable trying to shave my

1075
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 1: head now that I would have been ten years ago, because,

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Speaker 1: as you could say, it is thinning, and maybe you know,

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Speaker 1: my only fear is if I totally do it, what

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Speaker 1: happens if it, even this doesn't come back, right the

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Speaker 1: fear us middle aged men have about what what if

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Speaker 1: it doesn't come back.

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Speaker 2: I was watching a basketball.

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Speaker 1: Game over the weekend. The GWA Revolutionaries were in the

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Speaker 1: in the Orange Bowl, this Orange Bowl tournament down in

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Speaker 1: Fort Lauderdale. We were playing GW was playing Florida. I

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Speaker 1: think they hung that held pretty well. They'd hit their

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Speaker 1: free throws, they might have won that game. I think

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Speaker 1: it was a pretty good test that you know, GW

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Speaker 1: I think is a mid major that may make a

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Speaker 1: strong case to get into the NCAA tournament. But the

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Speaker 1: other game was you Mass versus Florida State, and UMass

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Speaker 1: is coached by a Miami native named Frank Martin. He

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Speaker 1: was the guy that took South Carolina. Well, he's gone

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Speaker 1: full a head shave and he looks great. I mean,

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01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 1: kudos to m I would not have thought that he

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01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 1: would have done the cuball thing very well. He does

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Speaker 1: it well. He looks good, just as menacing. I'd still

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Speaker 1: be afraid of him coaching a team on the other side,

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01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:18,320
Speaker 1: but it looked like there's nothing that'll grow back, you know.

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Speaker 1: So that's my fear of playing the head shave game.

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Speaker 1: We'll see.

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Speaker 2: I'd say that I think solicit fears he can't grow beer.

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Speaker 2: We'll see.

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Speaker 1: I'll ask him about this on our next episode. All right,

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Speaker 1: next question comes from Andre from Los Angeles, and he writes, Hey, Chuck,

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Speaker 1: why is it that when someone announces a run for office,

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01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:39,680
Speaker 1: the first focus is always on who their donors are

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01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:42,560
Speaker 1: and whether these donors will approve It feels like candidates

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01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:45,160
Speaker 1: are vetted by donors, consultants, and party brass long before

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Speaker 1: they ever reach voters, which makes them seem inta authentic.

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Speaker 1: Voters want real, opinionated leaders who feel genuine, not prepackaged

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Speaker 1: for donor approval. Why has the donor class become the

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Speaker 1: priority over the general public? Andre la go bruins hashtag

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01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 1: UCLA because of how expensive campaigns have become. I'm not

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01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:06,000
Speaker 1: saying that's a good answer, in just telling you it

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01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 1: is the answer, And there is a perception of viability

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01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:14,000
Speaker 1: has to do with access to money, whether you have

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Speaker 1: it yourself, you have the donor. You know, it's sort

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Speaker 1: of this dovetails pretty well with the question about Adam Schiff. Look,

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Speaker 1: there's no doubt we have made money in politics. The

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Speaker 1: fact that there is no regulation of money in politics, right,

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01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:30,120
Speaker 1: we have essentially have unregulated money in politics. They're okay,

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01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:31,800
Speaker 1: so you have to follow a couple, You have to

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Speaker 1: jump a very small hurdle or two to maybe spend

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Speaker 1: money that raised a certain way on these few logistics

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Speaker 1: things for a campaign. But then you spend money over

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01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:46,880
Speaker 1: here there is no we have. This is why I'm

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01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:49,280
Speaker 1: a huge fan of a constitutional you know, we need

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Speaker 1: a constitutional amendment to deal with this. We're going to

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Speaker 1: have to I think there's some common sense campaign finance

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01:04:56,280 --> 01:05:00,880
Speaker 1: regulations that people could agree on. I think the idea

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01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:03,600
Speaker 1: of keeping corporations out of politics makes a hell of

1132
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:07,240
Speaker 1: a lot sense. Figuring out how to have complete transparency.

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01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:11,560
Speaker 1: I mean, anonymous donors dark money are terrible. We basically

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01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:15,440
Speaker 1: have one or two people that are representing somewhere between

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01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:19,240
Speaker 1: thirty and thirty percent of all money spent is probably

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Speaker 1: among a group of people that's less than ten. That

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01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:26,800
Speaker 1: is not a democracy, right, That is a plutocracy or

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Speaker 1: an oligarchy, if to borrow some language that are out there.

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Speaker 1: I hate saying oligarchy because it sounds like I'm taking

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01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 1: a political side, but we have The fact of the

1141
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 1: matter is the richer you are, the more access you

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01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:47,360
Speaker 1: have to political leaders hard stop. And that's a maybe

1143
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 1: that's never going to change. But we could put some

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01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:54,200
Speaker 1: more transparency and some more limits on how that works.

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01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:57,520
Speaker 1: But I'm not saying it should be this way. But

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01:05:57,640 --> 01:06:01,120
Speaker 1: you're asking why does this happen? Because my ability goes

1147
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:03,320
Speaker 1: through money. Now, the good news is the Internet has

1148
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 1: been a bit of a leveler there. Act Blue and

1149
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:11,040
Speaker 1: When Red both have found a way to take to

1150
01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:17,800
Speaker 1: allow at least grassroots donors to power candidacies. And you

1151
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:20,360
Speaker 1: can now do that, right, Marjorie Taylor Green can do it.

1152
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:24,000
Speaker 1: AOC can do it, and they've figured out how to

1153
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:26,680
Speaker 1: tap into that. So the power of the small donor

1154
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:30,640
Speaker 1: is not totally. In fact, in some ways, small donor,

1155
01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:33,960
Speaker 1: because of the collective nature of it, have become a

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01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:37,680
Speaker 1: more powerful as powerful of an entity at times that

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01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:39,880
Speaker 1: some of these corporate super PACs can be.

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Speaker 2: So.

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01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:44,360
Speaker 1: But look, we do this in this case the system

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01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:47,840
Speaker 1: has broken. We have unregulated amount of money. I'm sort

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01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:51,520
Speaker 1: of a NASCAR person in this respect. Let's go full transparency,

1162
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:55,400
Speaker 1: but you have to actually identify your major donors. If

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01:06:55,920 --> 01:07:00,440
Speaker 1: you made every person have to spell out the aims

1164
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:03,360
Speaker 1: of donors who have given them, say more than one

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01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:05,480
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars or more, I promise you they'd never

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01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:08,800
Speaker 1: take a donation more than nine nine d and ninety

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01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:13,840
Speaker 1: nine dollars, right, whatever threshold we create, you know, like

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Speaker 1: I'm all for you want to have unlimited funding in

1169
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:18,520
Speaker 1: your elections, fine, but anybody that gives you more than

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01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:21,920
Speaker 1: ninety nine hundred dollars, you have to name them in

1171
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:25,360
Speaker 1: every single app, and you've got to where their logos

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01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:28,920
Speaker 1: on your on your paraphernalia, if you will, right, That's

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Speaker 1: what I mean by the nascarization of it. I think

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Speaker 1: that if as long as people know who's behind things,

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01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:41,680
Speaker 1: then at least you're giving the voters a fighting.

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01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:43,040
Speaker 2: Chance to make their decision.

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Speaker 1: All right, I'm mistaking one more question here, so I

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01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:49,600
Speaker 1: can say that at least knock out four today. This

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Speaker 1: one comes from Sean McElroy Byfield, Massachusetts. Any writs, Hey, Chuck,

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Speaker 1: why is it that corporation's going to absorb tariff costs

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01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:58,960
Speaker 1: for months but push back immediately when asked to raise wages?

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01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:01,960
Speaker 1: After COVID, we sow quick inflation tied to wage increases,

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01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:04,880
Speaker 1: but terror related price hikes seemed delayed. I've read that

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01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:07,520
Speaker 1: Costco expects tar free funds, that is, offering credit now

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01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:11,320
Speaker 1: to investors to soften consumer impacts while boosting future profits. Curiously,

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Speaker 1: if you've heard more about that, Any thoughts on the

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01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:16,520
Speaker 1: disconnect between political focus and stagnant worker incomes?

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Speaker 2: Well, look, I think.

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Speaker 1: On the tariff, the reason some of this is you

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Speaker 1: had a lot of companies stockpile, right. You know, Trump

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01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:27,519
Speaker 1: made it clear what he was going to do with

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01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:30,760
Speaker 1: this tariff, so you did have plenty of company stockpile

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01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:35,439
Speaker 1: inventory where you could, right you couldn't do it and

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01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:38,760
Speaker 1: food and fresh food and produce and things like that,

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01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:42,920
Speaker 1: but you could stock up on certain goods in your

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Speaker 1: and essentially warehouse them. And a place like Costco is

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Speaker 1: something that has the has the ability to do that,

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Speaker 1: And so I think that's why they could quote unquote

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Speaker 1: absorb some of it early because they had still had

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Speaker 1: a majority of their inventory out there that they had

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01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:03,400
Speaker 1: perched without having to pay, without having to deal with

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01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:07,519
Speaker 1: extra tariffs. But look, you're you're you know, why do

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01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:10,559
Speaker 1: corporations constantly look for ways to show that they're saving money?

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01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:10,840
Speaker 2: Right?

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01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:12,880
Speaker 1: That might be another way that you ask that question, right,

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01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:16,759
Speaker 1: They they constantly It's why why are companies not hiring

1207
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:19,000
Speaker 1: at the moment? They all want to see how many

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01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:21,680
Speaker 1: jobs can they replace with AI. They're not going to

1209
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:24,080
Speaker 1: they know they can't replace all jobs with AI, but

1210
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:26,840
Speaker 1: they want to know which ones they can, and before

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01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:29,559
Speaker 1: they replace anybody, they want to try to see if

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01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 1: they can replace them with AI. Corp A publicly traded

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01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:37,360
Speaker 1: companies simply have a fudial responsibility for their shareholders, and

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01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:41,800
Speaker 1: their shareholders only reward cost efficiencies. That is, that is

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01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:44,479
Speaker 1: not good for rising you know, for the hopes of

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01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:50,839
Speaker 1: rising wages, and it is certainly makes UH stockpiling expensive

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01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:53,400
Speaker 1: inventory difficult as well if you're going to load.

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Speaker 2: Them up with tariffs.

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Speaker 1: So you know, this is why what Trump has done

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Speaker 1: to this economy that the rise of terror costs also

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01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:08,120
Speaker 1: in it inadvertently end up costing working class people a

1222
01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:11,479
Speaker 1: chance at a raise. Right, If goods were cheaper, more

1223
01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:13,719
Speaker 1: people might buy them, and you might need more people

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01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:17,320
Speaker 1: to actually delve out that inventory. So you know, this

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01:10:17,439 --> 01:10:20,439
Speaker 1: is why this tariff policy of the presidents is so

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01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:24,240
Speaker 1: bad for the economy. It just simply shrinks our GDP

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01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:30,439
Speaker 1: shrinks in a way that will just hurt everything. Fewer

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01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:35,559
Speaker 1: people buy items, which means you'll have fewer employees, fewer wage,

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01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:37,719
Speaker 1: fewer people gaining a wage as it is, and fewer

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01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:42,639
Speaker 1: people getting higher wages. Bottom line is, tariffs are bad

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01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:46,719
Speaker 1: for everybody. There is no good that comes from these tariffs,

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01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:50,920
Speaker 1: hard stop. I don't know how many thousands of different

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01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:56,439
Speaker 1: ways we can vote that. There's a reason results matter

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Speaker 1: more than promises, just like there's a reason Morgan and

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Speaker 1: Morgan is America's largest injury law firm. For the last

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Speaker 1: thirty five years, they've recovered twenty five billion dollars for

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Speaker 1: more than half a million clients. It includes cases where

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Speaker 1: insurance companies offered next to nothing, just hoping to get

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Speaker 1: away with paying as little as possible. Morgan and Morgan

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Speaker 1: fought back ended up winning millions. In fact, in Pennsylvania,

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Speaker 1: one client was awarded twenty six million dollars, which was

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Speaker 1: a staggering forty times the amount that the insurance company

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Speaker 1: originally offered. That original offer six hundred and fifty thousand

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Speaker 1: dollars twenty six million, six hundred and fifty thousand dollars.

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Speaker 1: So with more than one thousand lawyers across the country,

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Speaker 1: they know how to deliver for everyday people. If you're injured,

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Speaker 1: And remember all law firms are not the same. So

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Speaker 1: check out Morgan and Morgan. Their fee is free unless

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Speaker 1: they win. Before we go a little uh, A few

1253
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:07,439
Speaker 1: things in college football, and look, I don't want to

1254
01:12:07,439 --> 01:12:10,479
Speaker 1: I got a few emails about the mess in Michigan.

1255
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:14,280
Speaker 1: And what's uncomfortable about the mess in Michigan is Sharon

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01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:19,800
Speaker 1: Moore and some in what happened, there is this uncomfortable

1257
01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:23,679
Speaker 1: truth there seem to be, you know, in the world

1258
01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:28,080
Speaker 1: of college sports right now, if you win, your behavior

1259
01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:30,919
Speaker 1: will get They'll find a way to bury your behavior,

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01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:33,519
Speaker 1: overlook it, or just suspend you a game or two,

1261
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:35,519
Speaker 1: slap you on the wrist. But as long as you

1262
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:37,840
Speaker 1: produce a national title, Jim Harball, nothing is going to

1263
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:42,920
Speaker 1: go wrong. But when things don't go well then and

1264
01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:47,559
Speaker 1: and maybe your offense isn't going well, then suddenly people

1265
01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:50,400
Speaker 1: have decided that your morals or ethics are a problem.

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Speaker 1: And we don't know the full story in Michigan, but

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Speaker 1: let's just say I haven't I know enough people in

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01:12:55,840 --> 01:13:00,080
Speaker 1: the sports industry world, in the world of agents. This

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01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:04,600
Speaker 1: is not rank speculation, you know, there was there was

1270
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:08,160
Speaker 1: a concerted effort that that more had to go. But

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01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:10,120
Speaker 1: they needed a reason, in a rationale, and they didn't

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01:13:10,120 --> 01:13:12,879
Speaker 1: want to spend on the buyout. Now that doesn't excuse

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01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:15,960
Speaker 1: his behavior. And he and I you know, for the

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01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:18,559
Speaker 1: life of me, you know, to me, if you're if

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01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:22,280
Speaker 1: you're going to sleep with an employee at a public institution.

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01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:26,360
Speaker 1: Your consequences any institution, and you know, you get caught,

1277
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:28,519
Speaker 1: you're going to live with the consequences. And this has

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01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:31,080
Speaker 1: been a very expensive consequence for him.

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Speaker 2: On that front.

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Speaker 1: But we need to learn a lot more about when

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01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:40,160
Speaker 1: was this first known, how, what would this and when

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01:13:40,240 --> 01:13:43,719
Speaker 1: when did this investigation happen? Why was it cleared once?

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01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:44,599
Speaker 2: Right?

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01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:47,839
Speaker 1: Sounds like there was no they had no cooperating evidence,

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01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:51,040
Speaker 1: and then suddenly they did. Why did this person suddenly

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01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:53,559
Speaker 1: provide evidence to the school when they did, and why

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Speaker 1: didn't they do it before? How is it that it

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Speaker 1: conveniently happened after signing day? Anyway, The point is is

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Speaker 1: that the corruption of college sports, right, we know, it's

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01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:06,400
Speaker 1: there's a a. It is a mess. It is ugly,

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Speaker 1: it is scandalous, and even an elite institution like the

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Speaker 1: University of Michigan is not immune from this. But the

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01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:15,320
Speaker 1: problem is we have no entity who's going to investigate

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Speaker 1: the University of Michigan. Do the NC DOUBLEA have any

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01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:20,439
Speaker 1: credibility to do this? Will they even listen to the

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Speaker 1: NC double A?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: When when Michigan was sign stealing, you know they yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: they suspended somebody, they find somebody. But last I checked,

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Speaker 1: the University of Michigan won a national title miraculously after

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01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:37,160
Speaker 1: they've suddenly figured out sign stealing seemed to improve. You know,

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01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:39,320
Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh was having a hard time winning nine or

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01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:42,040
Speaker 1: ten games. Then suddenly they started sign stealing and everything

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01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:47,960
Speaker 1: got better. So it's a I'm singling out Michigan here

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01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:49,920
Speaker 1: because I think Michigan is you know, this is sort

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01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:52,760
Speaker 1: of like, boy, how many how much rotten fish is

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01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:55,719
Speaker 1: in this program on these different things. But it's really

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01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:58,920
Speaker 1: this is not about Michigan. This is about the entire sport, right,

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01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:01,320
Speaker 1: And you know I love it. I love college football.

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Speaker 1: You guys know this. I ache for all this pain.

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Speaker 1: And look, University Miami, we've been through this. We've had

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Speaker 1: our own bad apples do some things in the past,

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01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:14,519
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong. So I'm not gonna you know,

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Speaker 1: this is not a case we all the entire world

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01:15:17,080 --> 01:15:20,720
Speaker 1: of college football lives in not just a glasshouse. I

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01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:24,519
Speaker 1: would call it water for crystal houses, if you will, right,

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01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:29,600
Speaker 1: And there's our broken windows everywhere. But you know, ultimately

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01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:32,720
Speaker 1: the problem is the conferences have too much power, and

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01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:36,879
Speaker 1: we need a you need a singular commissioner of college football,

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01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:43,080
Speaker 1: a singular commissioner of college basketball, a singular commissioner of

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01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:46,160
Speaker 1: of sort of the for profit sports. Right, we probably

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01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:48,639
Speaker 1: have to separate it out a little bit, if you will,

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01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:51,000
Speaker 1: But this the.

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Speaker 2: Amount of.

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01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:57,360
Speaker 1: Influence that agents and boosters now have over and above

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01:15:57,520 --> 01:16:02,160
Speaker 1: academic leaders or institutionally athletic directors, you name it. You know,

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01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:05,080
Speaker 1: the athletic directors are not in charge in most of

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01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:09,799
Speaker 1: these places. It's the person that runs the outside nil

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01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:13,120
Speaker 1: and raises the hundreds of the tens of millions of

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01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:16,920
Speaker 1: dollars at these major college institutions need to make payroll.

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Speaker 1: They're in charge. The football coaches do not work for

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01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:27,679
Speaker 1: the university presidents. The football coaches work for the entity

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01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:32,400
Speaker 1: that has promised to give the most money. I saw

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01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:35,320
Speaker 1: that at my beloved institution, right some major donors were

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01:16:35,320 --> 01:16:37,920
Speaker 1: willing to give more money if a certain person was

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Speaker 1: hired as coach. That's been true of a lot of institutions.

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Speaker 1: So it is the system is broken. It is messed up.

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Speaker 1: Perhaps you write rules that maybe allow for this in

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01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:56,839
Speaker 1: some form, but you've got to have an accepted, shared

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01:16:56,880 --> 01:16:58,680
Speaker 1: set of rules, and right now we really don't have

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01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:04,360
Speaker 1: any it is it is only media reports that at

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01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:08,040
Speaker 1: best create the opportunity for shame to kick in. But

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Speaker 1: this is you know, Uh, there's the specifics themselves of

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01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:18,439
Speaker 1: what happened at Michigan, and then there's the So there

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01:17:18,439 --> 01:17:20,839
Speaker 1: really needs to be an investigation of how the initial

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Speaker 1: investigation happened and how.

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Speaker 2: New evidence popped up. That's all I'm going to say here.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I I am, I've got I've got plenty of

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01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:35,000
Speaker 1: interesting sources that have that have told me some interesting

1350
01:17:35,080 --> 01:17:37,760
Speaker 1: things about this situation. But the reason it needs to

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01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:40,960
Speaker 1: be rooted out because it's this is again, Michigan is

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01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:46,479
Speaker 1: just an example of what is a larger, more broken

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01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:50,800
Speaker 1: and uh. And I don't think any of us would

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01:17:50,840 --> 01:17:53,800
Speaker 1: be comfortable finding out what our favorite schools were doing.

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01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:57,920
Speaker 1: I think there would be I imagine there's not a

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01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:01,360
Speaker 1: major college football program in America that does things that

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01:18:01,400 --> 01:18:05,880
Speaker 1: would make every single alum prout, every single fan proud.

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Speaker 1: And it is I hate I hate having to defend

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01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:13,200
Speaker 1: the system at times as a fan because I'd still

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01:18:13,240 --> 01:18:16,840
Speaker 1: love it. It's still I think college football because of

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01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:20,599
Speaker 1: the unpredictability of what kid there's still kids, they're still

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01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:24,080
Speaker 1: growing up they're still learning. There's that unpredictability. There's the

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Speaker 1: passion of fan bases, which other than the Steelers and

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01:18:27,400 --> 01:18:31,280
Speaker 1: the Packers, there's really no you know, maybe Eagles and

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01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:35,040
Speaker 1: Cowboys too, but there's really the pro fan bases are

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Speaker 1: not like college fan bases. They're just different. Hanging out

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01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:41,680
Speaker 1: with drunk twenty year olds is better to watch than

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01:18:41,720 --> 01:18:44,200
Speaker 1: hanging out with drunk fifty year olds too, right if

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01:18:44,200 --> 01:18:50,280
Speaker 1: you're at an NFL game versus a college game. But ultimately,

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Speaker 1: we're going to have to have Congress step in. They're

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01:18:52,479 --> 01:18:54,840
Speaker 1: going to have to give an anti trust exemption in

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Speaker 1: some form because they're going to have to create we

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01:18:57,520 --> 01:19:01,000
Speaker 1: can't have small d democratic tools attempting to govern college sports.

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01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:06,120
Speaker 1: You're gonna need a commissioner aka some sort of almost

1375
01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:12,120
Speaker 1: authoritarian type of situation, chairman of the board, board of director, CEO,

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01:19:12,240 --> 01:19:15,160
Speaker 1: that sort of thing with some accountability because this is

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01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:18,200
Speaker 1: this is embarrassing the sport all the time, and there's

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01:19:18,200 --> 01:19:20,000
Speaker 1: too much money at stake, and we have that much

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01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:21,680
Speaker 1: money at stake, you're gonna have lawsuit, you're gonna have

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Speaker 1: people being libel and all of that stuff. So you

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01:19:24,040 --> 01:19:26,880
Speaker 1: kind of need a structure and some sort of rule

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01:19:26,920 --> 01:19:29,000
Speaker 1: of law to govern college sports.

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Speaker 2: That is fair. All right.

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Speaker 1: I will stop with my rant there, but I felt like,

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Speaker 1: as much as I want to celebrate, and I've got

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Speaker 1: a lot, I'm going to celebrate on the later this week,

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Speaker 1: I will share with you my favorite pathways for Miami

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01:19:43,280 --> 01:19:47,760
Speaker 1: and the different storylines on different potential matchups that.

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Speaker 2: They can have in the college football playoff.

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Speaker 1: Let's just say, boy, for Miami's own reputational sake, they

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Speaker 1: better win one. They better win one. Uh, and we'll

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Speaker 1: go from there. All right, I've gone on a bit now.

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Speaker 1: This is a pretty thick Monday episode. We did some dark,

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01:20:06,880 --> 01:20:10,479
Speaker 1: some light, and everything in between. I really appreciate you listening.

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01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:14,000
Speaker 1: Our growth has been amazing. I know part of the

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01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:16,800
Speaker 1: why independent media is growing because you've lost so much

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01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:22,520
Speaker 1: trust in what's happened with the intimidated corporate owned media,

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01:20:22,840 --> 01:20:25,320
Speaker 1: which is sad. I have a lot of good friends

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01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:27,479
Speaker 1: over there who are fighting a good fight, but the

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01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:31,120
Speaker 1: institutions are just trying to trying to prevent them from

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01:20:31,160 --> 01:20:33,439
Speaker 1: doing the work that they want to do, which is

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01:20:33,479 --> 01:20:36,880
Speaker 1: a huge disappointment. But guess what, there are always alternatives,

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Speaker 1: including right here, So thank you for listening.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it, and I'll see in forty eight hours.