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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey, welcome to Weird House Cinema. This is Rob Lamb.

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Speaker 3: And this is Joe McCormick. And today on Weird House Cinema,

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Speaker 3: we are going to be talking about the nineteen ninety

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Speaker 3: sci fi action cop movie I Come in Peace, starring

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Speaker 3: the one and only Dolph Lundegren.

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Speaker 2: That's right, aka Dark Angel. That was I think the

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Speaker 2: international title for it, and it was released in the

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Speaker 2: States is I Come in Peace. I Come in Peace

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Speaker 2: as the title that I was exposed to as a kid.

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Speaker 2: You see it on the other trailers that would be

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Speaker 2: on your VHS rental, or I think I would see

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Speaker 2: the poster art, and I was always really intimidated because

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Speaker 2: it had this like really scary looking like giant dude

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Speaker 2: with like long white, like white blonde hair, very serious demeanor,

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Speaker 2: and yeah, he's he's from space and he is here

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Speaker 2: to deal drugs and I don't know that anything can

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Speaker 2: possibly stop him.

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Speaker 3: So it's funny. I recall no awareness whatsoever of this

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Speaker 3: movie when I was a kid, which is strange to

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Speaker 3: me because it seems like exactly the kind of movie

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Speaker 3: I would have thought was cool would have remembered and

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Speaker 3: would have sought out when I was, you know, eight

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Speaker 3: or whatever. But I don't remember this one. The Dolph

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Speaker 3: Lundgren movie I do really remember, though I never actually

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Speaker 3: saw it. I just have the cover of the VHS

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Speaker 3: box burned into my brain. Is a later one from

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Speaker 3: nineteen ninety six called Silent Trigger, where he's just holding

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Speaker 3: this ridiculous looking gun with like bullets that are the

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Speaker 3: size of crossbow bolts. Silent trigger? Is that a thing?

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Speaker 2: Can you hear?

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Speaker 3: I don't know. Is it like the trigger doesn't make

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Speaker 3: a noise. I have no idea what it's about. It's

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Speaker 3: just Dolph lund and looking very grim and I think

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Speaker 3: he's got headphones on or maybe ear muffs because maybe

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Speaker 3: the trigger is too loud and that's the problem. And

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Speaker 3: the plot is about how he wants to achieve a

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Speaker 3: silent trigger so he can take the ear muffs off.

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Speaker 2: Well, Dolph never had any trouble looking grim and serious

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Speaker 2: like that's that's pretty much one of his his trademarks.

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Speaker 2: The interesting thing about the movie we're gonna be discussing

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Speaker 2: flex his acting muscles. And to understand that was one

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Speaker 2: of the things that attracted him to the to the project.

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Speaker 2: So we're gonna get to see Dolph, you know, do

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Speaker 2: a little bit of comedy, do a little bit of romance,

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Speaker 2: be uh, be more of a certainly an action hero.

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Speaker 2: He's still gonna, you know, spinkick the soul out of people,

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Speaker 2: but you know he's gonna maybe try a few other

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Speaker 3: I'm more used to him in Ivan Drago mode, where

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Speaker 3: he's just if he dies, he dies, But here he

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Speaker 3: is he's trying to loosen up. He's trying to be

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Speaker 3: funny and charming and make the same kind of transition

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Speaker 3: that Arnold Schwarzenegger did from like originally just kind of

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Speaker 3: like a grim, humorless muscleman like The Terminator, to become

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Speaker 3: more of a charismatic action hero. And no offense to

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Speaker 3: Dolph Lindergrin. I'm not sure if he quite has the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not sure it was entirely a success, but

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Speaker 2: it'll be fun to talk about here. But yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 2: he barely takes his shirt off in this movie too.

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Speaker 2: I should mention that's true. I think he's got it

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Speaker 2: on pretty much the whole time. Does it ever come off?

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Speaker 2: I think maybe there's one scene where he's getting bandaged

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Speaker 2: up or something by a coroner. By the way, it's

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Speaker 2: towards the end though, almost as if they were like,

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Speaker 2: oh man, Doff's been fully closed this whole picture. Maybe

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Speaker 2: he's like, okay, I will, but I'm trying to try

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Speaker 3: I love a scene that has a coroner whose main

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Speaker 3: But hey, I know why you picked this movie, Rob.

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Speaker 3: I think I know because you said it has Christmas themes,

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Speaker 3: and by god, it's not really advertised in the marketing

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Speaker 3: materials for the movie, but when I saw it, yes,

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Speaker 3: this is a Christmas film, so it's perfect for December.

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Speaker 2: That's right. We love to cover legit weird Christmas movies

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Speaker 2: on weird house cinema, like Santa Claus versus the I mean, sorry,

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Speaker 2: Santa Claus Conquers the Martians. We're gonna be I think

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Speaker 2: in the week ahead. But we also like to dig

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Speaker 2: into those Christmas subgenres like Christmas horror. We covered one

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Speaker 2: this time we're looking at an even larger holiday subgenre,

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Speaker 3: Now, the big one that probably comes to mind for

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Speaker 3: first two die Hard movies are both set around Christmas.

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Speaker 3: From what I recall, I don't know if the trend

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Speaker 3: What are there other ones you've got on the list?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, so Lethal Weapon apparently takes place at Christmas.

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Speaker 2: Various Shane Black films. You know, he loves to go

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Speaker 2: for the holidays and his action pictures and you have,

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Speaker 2: so you have plenty of very mainstream films to consider

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Speaker 2: weird films. They may have some weird elements here and there,

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Speaker 2: but you do get into the weird with films like

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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety two's Batman Returns, Oh Lord, which which definitely

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Speaker 3: I always forget that there are Christmas themes in Batman Returns.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, that one that's about as weird as a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like I he kind of pushed it over the line,

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Speaker 2: to Batman Returns in the future. I rented this movie

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Speaker 2: I Come In Peace from Atlanta's own video drome, and

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Speaker 2: while I was there looking with the owner and manager,

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Speaker 2: Matt about Christmas action movies, he was talking about he

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Speaker 2: he pointed out that a fair number of Hong Kong

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Speaker 2: or if you're filming at Christmas, you know, roll with it.

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Speaker 2: But I think another aspect of it is certainly the

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Speaker 2: juxtaposition between Christmas commercial Christmas that kind of like artificial

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Speaker 3: I feel like using Christmas as a time setting for

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Speaker 3: It's easier to just like put up Christmas decorations on

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Speaker 3: I know where that is. You know, you have Christmas

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can relate, And it's there's also just almost

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Speaker 2: so we have an action film. It is a Christmas

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Speaker 2: movie and hot on the heels of our RoboCop episode,

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Speaker 2: this is another Texas movie filmed and this time set

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Speaker 3: Mm hmm. Actually they go farther than just letting it

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Speaker 3: actually be Houston. Dolph Lundgren is frequently seen wearing Houston

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this the Houston Astros. By the way, it's the

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Speaker 2: thinking malt liquor. Oh yeah, I guess it could go

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Speaker 2: that way. The cult forty five is also a gun, right.

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Speaker 3: I guess, so I'd imagine the malt liquor is named

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Speaker 2: All right, maybe it's the malt liquor with the gun.

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Speaker 2: as a predecessor to another film we've talked about on

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Speaker 2: Split Second especially, I think gave us both We can't

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Speaker 2: years ahead of Split Second. But there are so many

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there is some extremely similar DNA, especially in the

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Speaker 3: specific buddy cop dynamic of the two movies. Both of

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Speaker 2: Yeah. To put it in like D and D terms,

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Speaker 2: it's like, you have your chaotic good and your lawful good,

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Speaker 2: but by the end, everybody's chaotic good because the message

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Speaker 3: I guess that's right. Your your main cop is chaotic good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's the way it tends to play out.

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Speaker 2: We had a whole offline discussion about well where does

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Speaker 2: copied by both Split Second and I come in piece,

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Speaker 2: like some sort of non genre piece, And we were

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Speaker 2: looking around at different buddy cop movies and the articles

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Speaker 2: it goes all the way back to the forties with Kurosawa,

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Speaker 2: but I'm not sure, Like where do you where you

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Speaker 2: find that first really influential example of the he's a

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Speaker 2: bad cop or not a bad cops? He plays by

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Speaker 3: Maybe we'll have to chase down that lead someday, but

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Speaker 3: I think we don't know the full answer today.

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Speaker 2: I came up with an elevator pitch for this one.

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Speaker 2: But Joe, your chris Well is better than mine. Would

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Speaker 3: Oh? Okay, so I'm doing Chriswell predict So, my friend,

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Speaker 2: Yes? It is. I come in peace aka Dark Angel,

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Speaker 4: Claus, Jack and Jane, a coup who does things his

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Speaker 3: And kind to strangers the Christmas? But all that's about

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Speaker 2: All right? Doesn't that put you in the holiday spirit?

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Speaker 3: This Christmas get drug snaked by a Martian.

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Speaker 3: I think they kind of missed an opportunity with this

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I think that would have worked. And maybe

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Speaker 2: All right, Let's talk about the people behind this film,

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Speaker 3: I think Diamonds Are Forever is the James Bond film

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Speaker 3: I can't help but see a few little gizmo's and

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Speaker 3: No, but I think we talked about it in some

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Speaker 2: thousand and two, Spider Man in two thousand and two,

437
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,320
Speaker 2: War of the World's two thousand and five, and also

438
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:04,919
Speaker 2: the two most recent Indiana Jones movies. He's also directed

439
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:05,720
Speaker 2: a little bit as well.

440
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 3: When do we get to Dolf take you a look

441
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:07,920
Speaker 3: at golf?

442
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,400
Speaker 2: Come on, all right, all right, Dolph Lundgren plays Detective

443
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:15,360
Speaker 2: Jack Kane. I don't really don't even have to introduce

444
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,719
Speaker 2: Dolph all that much here, but you know, born nineteen

445
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,119
Speaker 2: fifty seven. I believe he's about six ' five. Always

446
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 2: hard to tell with people in entertainment, like what's the

447
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 2: actual height, what's the build height? He's pretty tall, and

448
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 2: we have people in this film that look even taller,

449
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,199
Speaker 2: and of course there are ways to trick that, but

450
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:34,159
Speaker 2: at any rate, huge guy, tall guy. Swedish made his

451
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 2: film debut in nineteen eighty five's View to a Kill,

452
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:41,120
Speaker 2: and he immediately followed that up with his iconic role

453
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 2: of Ivan Drago. As you mentioned in Rocky four.

454
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,680
Speaker 3: I did not remember that Dolph Lundgren was in A

455
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:48,639
Speaker 3: View to a Kill, though that would make sense because

456
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:52,359
Speaker 3: I know he at some point was the boyfriend of

457
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 3: Grace Jones, who is in view to a kill.

458
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, if memory serves, they were no longer dating at

459
00:23:58,280 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 2: that point, but still knew each other, and she read

460
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 2: commended him for the job, saying like, Hey, you want

461
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 2: somebody stern and huge to stand in the background of

462
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 2: your movie, what you should call my friend Dolph? And

463
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:13,439
Speaker 2: they did. But yeah, certainly by by Rocky four is

464
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 2: off to the races, I mean, very iconic role. If

465
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 2: he'd done nothing else after that, we would still be

466
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 2: talking about it. But then in nineteen eighty seven he

467
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,159
Speaker 2: played he Man and the Masters of the Universe adaptation.

468
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 2: I remember him as being being very fun and of

469
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:28,399
Speaker 2: course very jacked in that as well.

470
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think in that movie, don't they like they're

471
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,440
Speaker 3: not just hanging out in Eternia or whatever. They come

472
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 3: to modern day la so he gets to have some

473
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 3: you know what is the eighties?

474
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, Masters of the Universe is one of those films

475
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,920
Speaker 2: that it just has some awesome design choices in There're

476
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 2: some great casting. I love all the villains in that movie.

477
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,959
Speaker 2: But even at and at the time I was I

478
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 2: was rather disappointed when we leave Eternia and then we

479
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 2: just do a you know, fish out of water story

480
00:24:56,560 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 2: with all these goofy scenes of these fantastic characters interacting

481
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 2: with modern life before then going back to attorney and

482
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 2: having like an awesome showdown.

483
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:08,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's go to the gallery.

484
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there's a huge mole scene. That's awesome. But anyway,

485
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 2: so he was already a huge name by nineteen ninety.

486
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:19,880
Speaker 2: He had just played the title role in an eighty

487
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 2: nine adaptation of Marvel's The Punisher. But as all these

488
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 2: titles suggest, yeah, he was playing the stern, tough guy

489
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,159
Speaker 2: with maybe a little bit of humor there in Masters

490
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 2: of the Universe. But apparently what attracted him to the

491
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 2: script is it gave him that chance to try more things,

492
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,160
Speaker 2: you know, to try a little comedy, try a little romance,

493
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,479
Speaker 2: and in the futurette I mentioned earlier, the director back

494
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 2: Soley gave him, gave him a lot of credit for

495
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 2: his professionalism and his performance. So he was trying new things.

496
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,119
Speaker 2: But for the most part moving forward, Dolph would end

497
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,399
Speaker 2: up sticking mostly to action and is still active today,

498
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 2: often in a lot of action films. Subsequent movies included

499
00:25:56,080 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 2: the Universal Soldier franchise nineteen ninety five, Johnny Mnemonic. He

500
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 2: pops up in the Coen Brothers Hail Caesar, and he's

501
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 2: also in the Opperman movies. I think he's like a

502
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 2: Russian submarine pilot. I can't even remember if he's in

503
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 2: the movie or if he because I think, you know

504
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 2: the Coen Brothers film late Coen Brothers films, everybody in

505
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 2: the world is in most casts.

506
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that movie's got a big cast. But yeah,

507
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 3: I did not remember that. That's funny.

508
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 2: So again, Dolph was trying new stuff with this particular

509
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:28,679
Speaker 2: spreading his wiiing was a little bit but one of

510
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 2: the things for me anyway, I don't know if you

511
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 2: had this experience, Joe. It's like, you can't help but

512
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 2: compare this movie to Split Second, which came later. But

513
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 2: in doing so, you can't help but compare Rugger Howard's

514
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:46,160
Speaker 2: performance to Dolph Lungdren's performance. And that's entirely unfair. It's

515
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 2: unfair to compare most actors to Rugger Howard. But yet

516
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:50,199
Speaker 2: I kept doing it.

517
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's natural for us. I would say

518
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 3: that I wouldn't expect most people who see one of

519
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 3: these two movies to see the other one. And I

520
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 3: wouldn't expect most people who see both to remember both

521
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 3: of them, So the comparison is not like inevitable, but

522
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 3: for weirdos like us, Yeah, yeah, it's kind of hard

523
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 3: to ignore it.

524
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 2: Yeah. This is another thing that comes to mind is

525
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 2: I often remember this film, or at least promotional materials

526
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 2: for it, alongside promotional materials for Eve of Destruction, and

527
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 2: have kind of merged them into a single film that

528
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,880
Speaker 2: I haven't seen. So I still need to get around

529
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 2: to Eva's Destruction at some point, but I don't think

530
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 2: it's one we could necessarily watch for weird house. All right,

531
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 2: So Dolph is our cop who plays by his own rules.

532
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 2: We have to also have a cop that plays by

533
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 2: the rules. That is Special Agent Rwood Larry Smith or

534
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 2: Agent Smith played by Brian Bendon.

535
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 3: We do not learn that his name is our Wood

536
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 3: until the very last line of the film.

537
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a hilarious reveal that they leave until the

538
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 2: very end, but it hits about as well as most

539
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 2: of the comedy in this movie, the intentional comedy.

540
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

541
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 2: So, Brian Benden born nineteen five, you might watch this

542
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,360
Speaker 2: movie and say, where have I seen this guy before?

543
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:03,919
Speaker 3: Well?

544
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,439
Speaker 2: I never watched it, But he was the star of

545
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 2: the HBO sitcom dream On from nineteen ninety through nineteen

546
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 2: ninety six, and he was also in Radio Land Murders

547
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 2: in ninety four. Both of these were things that co

548
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 2: starred Michael McKean.

549
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 3: That's weird. I haven't seen those things, though he did

550
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 3: somehow seem familiar to me. I know, I must have

551
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 3: seen him in something.

552
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I would just see ads for dream

553
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 2: On or you know, or perhaps if you're trying to

554
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 2: watch the Tales from the Crypt episode, dream On would

555
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 2: be on as the intro and you're like, well, I

556
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:33,919
Speaker 2: guess I gotta stet through this to get to the Cryptkeeper.

557
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,199
Speaker 2: It was not a film that was catering to me

558
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 2: as its audience, for sure, but people seem to quite

559
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 2: like it at the time. It's easy to see looking

560
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 2: at this film how this actor went on to have

561
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 2: success and kind of a you know, a TV sitcom environment.

562
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's the nerdy new partner.

563
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 2: Yes. Now, of course we also need a love interest,

564
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 2: and that's where we have the coroner Diane Palone, played

565
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 2: by Betsy Brantley.

566
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 3: She plays the romantic coroner her.

567
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 2: Yes, which is fun I mean, it's the fun idea,

568
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 2: and they do. It mostly works from a like a

569
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 2: slight comedic standpoint, and she does come off as like

570
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 2: the character who knows her stuff, like she makes some

571
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 2: vital breakthroughs in the case.

572
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 3: Credit to Betsy Brantley for delivering some of the most

573
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 3: ludicrous lines in this entire script, like the scene where

574
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 3: she has to where she asks Dulph Undergren to promise

575
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 3: her something anything, that was hilarious, and also the scene

576
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 3: where she has to explain how the alien endorphin plot works.

577
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 2: Oh yes, yeah, she's she's she's great in that scene

578
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 2: as well. Yeah, the whole idea. We'll come back to

579
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 2: the promises aspect of the plot. That's yes, it doesn't

580
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 2: quite work, but anyway. Brand is an American actress best

581
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 2: known for her roles as the Mother and Princess Bride

582
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 2: So that's John Savage's mother in that film, as well

583
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 2: as supporting roles in such movies as ninety eight Deep

584
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 2: Impact and nineteen ninety nine's Double Jeopardy. She was the

585
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 2: performance model for Jessica Rabbit and who framed Roger Rabbit

586
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 2: from eighty eight, and her first big role was opposite

587
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 2: Sean Connery in nineteen eighty two s Five Days One Summer.

588
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 2: But her first credit acting credit is actually for a

589
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 2: small part in Richard O'Brien's Rocky Horror follow up, Shock

590
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 2: Treatment from nineteen eighty one.

591
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 3: I know you've talked about looking at that multiple times.

592
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 3: Of course, I know Rocky Horror, but I've never seen

593
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 3: Shock Treatment.

594
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, we recently had someone right in suggesting it as well,

595
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 2: so I don't know. I need to give it a shot.

596
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 2: I've never actually watched it. I've seen Rocky Horror so

597
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 2: many times, but I've never watched Shock Treatment. Brandley also

598
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 2: pops up in a nineteen eighty four episode of the

599
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 2: excellent Granada Sherlock Holmes series, and she was previously married

600
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 2: to director Steven Soderberg and later worked with him on

601
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 2: his nineteen ninety six film Schizopolis and more recently in

602
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 2: his twenty twenty two film Kimmy, which was also written

603
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 2: by Cope. All right, it's time to get to our

604
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 2: alien drug pusher here.

605
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 3: What are you gonna do first? Good Alien? Bad Alien?

606
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 2: Oh, we got to go bad Alien. Okay, okay, the

607
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 2: reason for the season here, and he's credited as bad

608
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 2: Alien tallic so Talliic is his name, though I don't

609
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 2: remember them ever calling him that. That's the good character's name.

610
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 3: I don't recall that coming up.

611
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 2: Played by Matteus Hughes born nineteen fifty nine. I have

612
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 2: to just say again, this is a character that scared

613
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 2: me a bit as a kid, and watching the film

614
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 2: still a bit scary. He's still quite a screen presence.

615
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 2: I've seen his height listed as anywhere between sixty five

616
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 2: and six eight, and he's wearing lifts in this alongside

617
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 2: you know, various camera trick or a just make him

618
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 2: look like an absolute giant.

619
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 3: Another freaky thing they do to him is they, I

620
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,239
Speaker 3: guess it must be contacts or something, they cloud his

621
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 3: eyes over so you can't really see where he's looking,

622
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 3: like his eyes are kind of foggy. And he speaks

623
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 3: in this this creepy horse whisper, and basically the only

624
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 3: line he says in the movie is repeatedly telling people

625
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 3: I come in peace, right before killing them.

626
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 2: It's great. It's like you get the sense that this

627
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 2: is the only thing he knows how to say in

628
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 2: like Earth language. Maybe he can say to multiple Earth languages,

629
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 2: and he doesn't necessarily even know what it means. He

630
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 2: just knows that it's something that you can say to

631
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 2: a hostile human being to momentarily give them pause so

632
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 2: you can blow them up or drug snake them. So.

633
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 2: Hughes is a German born Venice Beach bodybuilder who initially

634
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 2: pops up as an uncredited extra in the nineteen eighty

635
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 2: seven cult themed Dragnet movie, but then he followed this

636
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 2: up with small roles and eighty seven's No Retreat, No

637
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 2: Surrender eighty eight's Big Top Peewee. He plays the lion

638
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 2: tamer in that, but then he pops up in another

639
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 2: movie that we've We've talked about the cover art for

640
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 2: this one because he's the other muscle dude fighting Jorge

641
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 2: Rivero on the cover on the VHS art for nineteen

642
00:32:58,200 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 2: eighty eights Fist Fighter.

643
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 3: Oky Rivero is the star of Conquest, and many listeners

644
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 3: may also know him as the villain from the movie Werewolf.

645
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 2: He's Yury, Yeah, so Matteas. Hughes's other credits include ninety

646
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 2: one's Kickboxer two, ninety one's Star Trek six, The Undiscovered Country.

647
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 2: I believe he's a klingon in that I'm assuming like

648
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 2: maybe kind of a background muscle clingon. And then he's

649
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 2: also in two thousand and eight puppet Master, The Littlest Reich. Again.

650
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 2: I love him in this, He's one. It's one of

651
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 2: these roles where I guess I haven't seen him in

652
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 2: a lot. So this character feels to me like very

653
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 2: disconnected from the rest of cinema, Like he is an

654
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 2: actual seven foot alien who has just popped out of

655
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 2: a crater to start harvesting human brain juice for space drugs. Yeah,

656
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 2: now that's the bad alien. We also have a good

657
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 2: alien by the name of Azak. Again, I'm not sure

658
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 2: we ever hear his name, but this alien is played

659
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 2: by another very tall individual. Jay Bilas born nineteen sixty

660
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 2: three former pro basketball player and coach who currently works

661
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 2: for ESPN as a college basketball analyst. He had no

662
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 2: acting experience for this, but he was six ' eight

663
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,240
Speaker 2: so they said, hey, how would you like to shave

664
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 2: the front part of your head and put some contacts

665
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 2: in and run from some explosions, and he gave it

666
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 2: his all. So it is that given all of that,

667
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 2: given how green he was, like, that's a pretty good job.

668
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 3: So when he's on one of those shows, on ESPN

669
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 3: where the guys are yelling at each other. Do they

670
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 3: bring this up at him? They're you know, They're like,

671
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 3: oh yeah, yeah, uh huh. The astros are good this year.

672
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 3: How about you go and starring I Come In Piece too.

673
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 2: I don't know. I hope he's proud of it.

674
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 3: I hope he should be proud of his haircut in

675
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 3: this movie is solid. There are multiple mullets in I

676
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,760
Speaker 3: Come In Piece, but this one, this one is scullet.

677
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hair. The hairstyle is apocalypse in the front,

678
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 2: party in the.

679
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 3: Back, yep, yep. He also has cloudy eyes.

680
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 2: Right. These are the main characters that are in play,

681
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 2: So I'll try and run through some of the other

682
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 2: actors a little a little more speed. But we have

683
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 2: some criminal elements human criminal elements that pop up. The

684
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:15,320
Speaker 2: first is Victor Manning, played by Sherman Howard born nineteen

685
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 2: forty nine, American actor of stage and screen, perhaps best

686
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 2: known for playing the zombie and headphones bub from the

687
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,919
Speaker 2: eighty five Romero movie Day of the Dead. He also

688
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 2: pops up An eighty nine's lethal Weapon two, as well

689
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 2: as various TV episodes, including shows like Seinfeld and Deep Space. Nine.

690
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 3: He plays an incredibly smug gang boss in this of

691
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 3: a weird gang that we'll discuss more as we go on.

692
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, we don't see as much of them as

693
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,760
Speaker 2: I would have liked it good that it's pretty pretty

694
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 2: fun and over the top.

695
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,959
Speaker 3: One last, you know, regarding the bad guys. We've talked

696
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,760
Speaker 3: about movies before where unfortunately you have some trouble telling

697
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 3: the different characters apart. I don't have that trouble with

698
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 3: the main characters in this movie, but the villains. There

699
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 3: are like seven villain characters in the yuppie gang slash

700
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 3: the Feds in this movie that all look exactly the same. Fortunately,

701
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 3: you do not need to be able to tell them

702
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 3: apart to follow the plot.

703
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, a lot of bad guys in suits in

704
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 2: this film, and ultimately they're not a part of the

705
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 2: final showdown. Another key character is Inspector Switzer. This is

706
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 2: our villainous federal agent who's looking into the whole alien

707
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,760
Speaker 2: murders angle, played by David Ackroyd More nineteen forty, actor

708
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 2: of State, screen and TV. His other credits include eighty

709
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 2: three's Cocaine One Man Seduction, eighty three's Deadly Lessons, and

710
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty six is a Smoky Mountain Christmas starring Dolly Parton.

711
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,760
Speaker 3: Ow Yeah, does he play a hard nosed federal agent

712
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 3: in that?

713
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 2: I hope so, I hope so, all right.

714
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 3: To Dolly, I'm gonna bust up this whole operation.

715
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 2: Now, on the criminal element side of things, we also

716
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 2: have another guy who I'm uncertain if he's the main

717
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 2: boss or the secondary boss, but his name is Warren.

718
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 2: We only encounter him in a skyscraper number two.

719
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 3: He's so like the main boss of the villain of

720
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 3: the gang in the movie, leaves after the first scene.

721
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 3: He never comes back in the movie. He's just we

722
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 3: we hear about him being in Rio, enjoying the sun

723
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 3: and the beach while all the other characters are suffering

724
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 3: under the alien boot heel. And so he leaves. This

725
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 3: other guy, Warren in charge.

726
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, played by Sam Anderson born nineteen forty seven. And

727
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,399
Speaker 2: if you're a movie go over of a certain age,

728
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 2: you probably see this actor and you're like, I've seen

729
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 2: this guy before, but I just can't place him. I

730
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 2: suspect that the reason is that he's the principal. In

731
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,720
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety four is Forrest Gump, yep.

732
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 3: I had. I spent several minutes with it pause, just

733
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 3: trying to think without looking it up, who is this guy?

734
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 3: And then I realized, Yeah, he's the he's the Creepy Principle.

735
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 2: And he's done some other TV work as well. I

736
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 2: think he's also in Critters too. Oh okay, cool, but

737
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 2: certainly Forrest Gump, that's a that's a big pop culture

738
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 2: footprint to leave there. We talked about Split Second earlier.

739
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 2: We mentioned Split Second. Interestingly enough, there is one individual.

740
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 2: There may be some more in the deeper in the credits,

741
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 2: but there's one core member of the cast who connects

742
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 2: these two pictures, and that is the wonderful character actor

743
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 2: Michael J. Pollard, who lived nineteen thirty nine through twenty nineteen.

744
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 2: He played the Ratcatcher in Split Second, and in this

745
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 2: movie he plays a snarling criminal informant by the name

746
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 2: of Boner who's essentially Gollum.

747
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 3: He's essentially Gollum, Yeah, who, I will add, plays no

748
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 3: role whatsoever in the plot. He's just there to like

749
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 3: get ruffed up by Dolph Lindegren. And then Dolph Londergren,

750
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 3: unrelated to his interaction with this guy, has an epiphany

751
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 3: about the case.

752
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's weird that it goes like that. It's almost

753
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,479
Speaker 2: like they're like, like, look, we got Pollard for a day.

754
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 2: We got to use him, find a way slot him in.

755
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,439
Speaker 3: There somewhere he just happens to be fortunately standing next

756
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 3: to a pool table, and then Dolph Londergren looking at

757
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 3: the pool table is like, aha, aliens are throwing murdered

758
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 3: discs through the air.

759
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 2: But Pollard's always great though, as other films include sixty

760
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 2: seven's Bonnie and Clyde. He's an eighty eight Scrooge for

761
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 2: a Christmas tie in, and he's also in Rob Zombie's

762
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:18,879
Speaker 2: House of a Thousand Corpses from two thousand and three.

763
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 2: All Right, now, this is a small role, but I

764
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 2: have to point out that al Leong is in this

765
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 2: playing the luggage salesman. There's like, essentially it's like a

766
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 2: drug drop kind of a situation. Born nineteen fifty two.

767
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 2: Small role, but I think film fans will recognize this

768
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 2: guy because he plays the Wingkong hatchetman from nineteen eighty

769
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 2: six is Big Trouble in Little China.

770
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 3: He's another one of these recognizable character actors from a

771
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,879
Speaker 3: bunch of ades movies. A lot of other people might

772
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 3: remember him from die Hard.

773
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, he popped up in die Hard. He's Genghis Khan

774
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 2: and Bill and Ted from eighty nine. He's in Lethal Weapon.

775
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 2: Longtime stump man as well. One of these guys is

776
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 2: kind of kind of a low key action film legend,

777
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 2: I think, because you just see him pop up in

778
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 2: so many things. And he had a signature look and

779
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,359
Speaker 2: it had kind of like a receding hairline, but long hair,

780
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 2: so you know, glorious mullet, and then a really robust.

781
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,800
Speaker 3: Mustache, powerful mustache, really strong.

782
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,359
Speaker 2: Yeah. So sometimes he's just standing in the background. Other

783
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 2: times he's screaming with a hatchet in his hand. Does

784
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:19,839
Speaker 2: great work.

785
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,399
Speaker 3: You attached a picture of him in the outline where

786
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 3: he's like squatting in the foreground and then you can

787
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 3: see the Hollywood Hills in the background and the Hollywood

788
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 3: sign is under his thigh.

789
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 2: Glorious. I hope he used this as his main promotional

790
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 2: image for many years. I think he's still active too.

791
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 2: Great now. This we generally don't mention like special effects coordinators,

792
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 2: but I will mention real quick that Bruno van Zebrowick

793
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 2: is the individual who had the honors on this movie

794
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 2: still active and highly cited by Baxley in the feature

795
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 2: atte is a key part of the film's success, you know,

796
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 2: from a stunt and production standpoint, So I'm looking at

797
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:00,919
Speaker 2: him a little bit. He worked on pre and also

798
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 2: such films as John Carpenter's The Thing, Return of the Jedi,

799
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 2: David Lynch's Dune Action, Jackson Roadhouse, Alien three, and Die Hard.

800
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 2: So again, the stunt and and explosive effects pyrotechnics pedigree

801
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:17,359
Speaker 2: of this film is just, you know, you can't deny it.

802
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 2: And then finally coming to the music, I got kind

803
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 2: of excited when I was previewing the credits for this

804
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 2: one because we have Jon Hammer on this born nineteen

805
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 2: forty eight. This is the Czech American musician, composer, and

806
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 2: record producer, best known for two tracks. Really he's done

807
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 2: a lot of work. But there's the theme song to

808
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 2: Miami Wece the TV show, and there's another track he

809
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 2: did for Miamivice titled Crocket's Theme. Both of these were

810
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 2: from the eighties TV series. Crockett's theme especially is just

811
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 2: an incredible track. It's just oh, it's just so perfect.

812
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 2: It's just this glittering, upbeat synth masterpiece. You know that

813
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,800
Speaker 2: just just bleeds eighties directly in your veins.

814
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's strong, it's moody. It's got a kind of

815
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:10,240
Speaker 3: a surprising and moody chord progression, but also the bouncing

816
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 3: rhythmic synthesizer tone in it. I feel like it's something

817
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 3: that has tried to be copied later by anything that

818
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 3: is evoking the spirit of the eighties, even like the

819
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 3: Grand Theft Auto games I think have some musical score

820
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:26,800
Speaker 3: in them that is trying to copy this feeling.

821
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, it's incredible. I highly recommend listening to it.

822
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 2: And even the Miami Vice theme song like that one

823
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 2: earned him I believe two Grammys, So highly successful guy.

824
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 2: Other scores include two episodes of Tales from the Crypt.

825
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 2: I'm not sure exactly which ones off off the top

826
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 2: of my head. He did Night Ride or two thousand.

827
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 2: Some of his music appears on nineteen ninety two is

828
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 2: Beyond the Mind's Eye, which was one of these like

829
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 2: early like CGI psychedelic visionary art kind of things he

830
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 2: could order off an advertisement on tele Vision. And he

831
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 2: also scored nineteen ninety six as beast Master three The

832
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 2: Eye of Braxis.

833
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 3: Who is Braxis?

834
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 2: I don't know, but he's got an eye. I was

835
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 2: trying to like, what beefy guy plays Praxis in this,

836
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 2: and I couldn't tell that there is a Praxis. There's

837
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 2: a voice of Braxis. So maybe it's some sort of

838
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,240
Speaker 2: a special effects god sort of situation.

839
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 3: I briefly forgotten. Then just remember that we covered beast

840
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,800
Speaker 3: Master two through the portal of time on this show.

841
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that one was great wings houser.

842
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 3: And that one speaking of he Man coming to La

843
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:39,320
Speaker 3: that's another one.

844
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 2: All right. Let's let's get into the plot of I

845
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 2: Come in Peace.

846
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 3: All right. So the opening sequence we have ringing synth

847
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 3: bells and a lonely city street late at night. They're

848
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 3: trying to establish that moody eighties, you know, neon signs.

849
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 3: In the background, dark city atmosphere. A car is driving

850
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 3: down the street. It's a luxury car. We see the

851
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 3: driver and he looks like one of Patrick Bateman's friends,

852
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:12,240
Speaker 3: and this will be a recurring theme. Fancy suit, smug face,

853
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 3: looks like a rich, aggressive, mean guy. Driver of the

854
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 3: car activates some blinking futuristic panel on his dashboard. What

855
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:26,280
Speaker 3: is it? It is a CD player and he inserts

856
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 3: a gleaming silver CD into the slot. What's he listening to?

857
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 3: Can you guess? It's a new hit called Hark the

858
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:34,760
Speaker 3: Herald Angels sing.

859
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 2: He had to get that hit of the Christmas music.

860
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,359
Speaker 3: So this guy from the Bateman Crew, he's cruising through

861
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 3: the deserted city streets. It's nighttime. He's jamming to his

862
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:48,240
Speaker 3: Christmas carols until the music starts skipping. The song sounds

863
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 3: totally scrambled, like the notes are playing at double speed,

864
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:53,800
Speaker 3: random order, that kind of thing. And the driver is

865
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 3: very angry. He needs his Hark and he complains. He's like,

866
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 3: you pay seventy thousand dollars for a and then they

867
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 3: give you a broken CD player. Then suddenly the CD

868
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 3: shoots out of the slot at him violently. He startled,

869
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 3: and he nearly collides with a bus at an intersection,

870
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 3: swerves to avoid an impact, and ends up crashing his

871
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 3: car into a lot full of Christmas trees. So they're

872
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 3: hitting you with a lot of Christmas right at the top.

873
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 3: Almost makes you wonder if this whole prologue here was

874
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 3: like added on to it really emphasize the Christmas themes,

875
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 3: but I guess probably not, because we're about to meet

876
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 3: a crucial character. So he gets out of the car,

877
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 3: he complains some more, and then, to make things even worse,

878
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 3: suddenly a fireball descends from out of space and obliterates

879
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 3: his car, leaving only a flaming crater in its place,

880
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 3: And the driver looks on as out of the flaming

881
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 3: crater comes a man dressed in black with gloves, a

882
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:56,240
Speaker 3: long dark coat, and some kind of technological gadget strapped

883
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 3: to his arm like the Predator. He's got long blonde hair,

884
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,399
Speaker 3: his eyes a foggy, like they're clouded with cataracts.

885
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they shoot him rising up out of this

886
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 2: crater like he's like he's a redwood tree, you know.

887
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 2: It just seems like he's at least eight or nine

888
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 2: feet tall. It's great.

889
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 3: So the man from the sky approaches the driver and

890
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 3: looms over him. He opens his lips and says, in

891
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:22,760
Speaker 3: a hoarse whisper, I come in peace. Cut to something

892
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 3: else next week, Get an infiltration. There is a dude

893
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 3: sneaking into some kind of building through air ducts, cutting

894
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 3: through metal grating with a torch, climbing around in the

895
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 3: duct work. This is also a favorite theme of eighties

896
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 3: action movies. They love putting a guy climbing through the

897
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 3: ventilation shafts. So what's going on here, Well, it's a heist.

898
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 3: This is some kind of police building. I think they

899
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 3: later call it a federal warehouse. An infiltrator sneaks in.

900
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 3: He sneaks into an evidence room and then in there

901
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 3: he runs into a police officer and kills him with

902
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 3: a throwing knife. He steals the officers. I was thinking

903
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 3: at first he stole his clothes and his badge, but

904
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 3: I think maybe he just takes his badge or his

905
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 3: name tag, because you know, this police officer's clothes would

906
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 3: have a big knife hole in the front and a

907
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 3: bunch of blood on it.

908
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, this whole sequence is ridiculous, you know, it's their

909
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 2: standards sort of nineties Batman s chaos criminals because there's not,

910
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 2: ultimately nothing smooth about them. They immediately follow up the

911
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 2: stealth portion of their mission with a seemingly unnecessary murder.

912
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 3: Right, and so he's disguised as a cop. Now he's

913
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 3: got this other guy's badge and name tag on. He

914
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:35,720
Speaker 3: loads up a briefcase full of these little plastic baggies

915
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,479
Speaker 3: of white powder. It looks like he's stealing about thirty

916
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 3: pounds of heroin. And then the killer meets up with

917
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 3: a co conspirator who's been like walking him through the

918
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 3: heist on a walkie talkie. Together they go to the

919
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 3: front desk and they sign out to this suitcase full

920
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 3: of drugs. And the guy at the desk has a

921
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 3: righteous mullet. He's like, some must be some party, ha hahu.

922
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 2: According to I was looking at a two thousand and

923
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,919
Speaker 2: nine Dea press release, and according to that press release,

924
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 2: thirty pounds of heroin might be worth somewhere in the

925
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 2: neighborhood of for like thirty million dollars. So just go

926
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:13,439
Speaker 2: ahead and sign that out to officers shifty and sauce here.

927
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 3: Yes, So on the way out these guys, one of

928
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,399
Speaker 3: these guys drops a bag on the staircase in the

929
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:22,760
Speaker 3: lobby of this police building. Somebody is just blasting joy

930
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:26,280
Speaker 3: to the world, and they leave the building. They pile

931
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 3: into a waiting getaway car. The driver also has a

932
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 3: mullet and is wearing you know, he's dressed like a

933
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 3: Bateman bro. They're driving a luxury sedan. So the themes

934
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 3: yet again they drive away and then the police building explodes,

935
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 3: and as we said in this movie, everything explodes.

936
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, just fireballs of unreal proportion. It's amazing.

937
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 3: But the other guys in the car are like, what

938
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 3: was that, and the infiltrator dude says a little insurance

939
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 3: policy and the guy goes, what the hell for and

940
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 3: he's like, no witnesses experienced criminals here, and then they're

941
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 3: all like, oh yeah, okay. So next we move on

942
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 3: to a stakeout where we meet Dolph Lindgren's character. This

943
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 3: is Detective Jack Caine. He's sitting in a car with

944
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 3: an earpiece listening to a drug deal unfold at what

945
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 3: looks like an empty nearby nightclub, and he's got a

946
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 3: man on the inside wearing a wire. This guy on

947
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 3: the inside is Turner, his partner who is undercover as

948
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 3: a drug buyer. And the gang Turner is doing this

949
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 3: deal with is called, for some reason, the White Boys.

950
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 3: Their thing is that they are yuppies, so this is

951
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 3: like a criminal street gang that distributes heroin throughout Houston.

952
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 3: But they all have Ivy League degrees and they drive

953
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 3: sports cars and they look like a Brooks Brothers catalog,

954
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 3: so it's like, is this one of the concepts of

955
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 3: the gangs from the war years, along with like the

956
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:04,760
Speaker 3: baseball guys. If not, it should have been, Yeah, I agree.

957
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 3: And Victor Manning, the leader of the gang, is giving

958
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 3: a speech to Turner about how he once thought his

959
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 3: education would be his saving grace, but then he got

960
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:18,280
Speaker 3: out of Princeton and he realized MBAs were quickly becoming

961
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 3: a devalued commodity. So he says he went back to

962
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 3: school and he got another master's in international banking, and

963
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 3: then he's like quizzing Turner, and in character, he's like,

964
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 3: what university did you attend? And Turner says a funny

965
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 3: but sort of unrepeatable line. And then before the gang

966
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 3: boss here gets to the point of his story, his

967
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 3: preppagoons arrive with the heroine they stole from the police warehouse.

968
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,439
Speaker 3: By the way, this is one of these scenes taking

969
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 3: place on a street where the storefronts are just all

970
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,839
Speaker 3: apparently liquor stores and adult movie theaters, and they all

971
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 3: have neon signs.

972
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 2: He's very convincing. I don't know if they had to

973
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 2: build this or they just found this in Houston.

974
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 3: So they let Turner see the merchandise, say yep, that's

975
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 3: a bunch of drugs, and then he opens up a

976
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 3: briefcase full of money, and Victor Maning goes on with

977
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 3: his speech. He's like, you know, if you don't have

978
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 3: at least a master's degree these days, you could find

979
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 3: yourself really desperate. You might have to turn to a

980
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 3: life of crime, or even worse, become a cop. And meanwhile,

981
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 3: right next door, two guys in duster coats run into

982
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 3: an unrelated liquor store and start robbing it. They're roughing

983
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 3: up customers, they're pointing a shotgun at the shop owner.

984
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 3: And Dolph Lindgren sitting in his car, he sees this happening.

985
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 3: Uh oh. Jack Kane is supposed to be listening in

986
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 3: on the wire for Turner to make the deal so

987
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,359
Speaker 3: they can, you know, make the arrests. But now there

988
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 3: are people in peril. What's a dolf gonna do. Of course,

989
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 3: he's gonna go administer some roundhouse kicks. So he drops

990
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 3: his earpiece. He says, keep talking, guys, and he goes

991
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 3: and he roundhouse kicks one of the guys in the

992
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 3: in the store and then shoots the other one and Unfortunately,

993
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 3: while Kine is busy doing that not listening, the gang

994
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 3: boss reveals that they know Turner's real identity. They've been

995
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:10,879
Speaker 3: playing him this whole time. They shoot Turner, they take

996
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:14,280
Speaker 3: the money he brought, and then Victor Manning leaves the scene,

997
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 3: telling his goons to make sure they get quote every

998
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 3: grain of that heroine. But after the boss leaves, while

999
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 3: the preppy henchmen are finishing up with the scene, a

1000
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 3: new player arrives and hey, it's the alien from that

1001
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 3: flaming crater. He comes up to the henchmen, he says,

1002
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 3: I come in peace. Then he attacks them with an

1003
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 3: alien murder disc that shoots out of his wrist. Rob

1004
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 3: do you want to describe the death disk attack?

1005
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 2: Yeah? I really love the idea of the death discs,

1006
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:50,320
Speaker 2: and ultimately it's a lot of fun in the movie.

1007
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 2: I enjoyed the sci fi explanation that they get into

1008
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:55,359
Speaker 2: about how they work more than that in a bed.

1009
00:52:56,200 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 2: But let's face it, the execution of the effect is adequate.

1010
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 2: You know, it doesn't take you out of the movie,

1011
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 2: but it's very clearly just a CD spinning that they shot.

1012
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 2: Watching the movie, you really want this thing to be

1013
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 2: something more like a cross between the tall Man's spheres

1014
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:16,720
Speaker 2: from Phantasm and the Predators killer frisbee. I don't remember

1015
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 2: if he had the frisbee in Predator one or if

1016
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:20,320
Speaker 2: that's just a Predator two thing.

1017
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 3: But I think that's Predator two.

1018
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so you want it to be like that

1019
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:27,320
Speaker 2: insteady weirdly seems to hit with more blunt force impact

1020
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 2: than slicing terror, So, you know, maybe a little disappointing

1021
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 2: in that regard, but otherwise still effective. You still buy it.

1022
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 3: Yes, On the other hand, I mean it is quite

1023
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:38,959
Speaker 3: clearly just a CD.

1024
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it it kind of deflates it a bit too.

1025
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 2: When we had that opening scene with the CD player

1026
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 2: and the CD flying out, that's not doing that. It's

1027
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:49,800
Speaker 2: not doing the effect any favors.

1028
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a strange. It's strange to offer that visual comparison.

1029
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 3: It's almost like the alien got the idea of using

1030
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 3: a CD from that scene.

1031
00:53:58,960 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1032
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 3: So after defeating the henchman, the alien steals the heroine

1033
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:06,799
Speaker 3: and leaves alien one of those drugs, and then Dolph

1034
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:10,840
Speaker 3: Lundegren comes in to find his partner dead. So in

1035
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 3: the next scene, police are all over the place. So

1036
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,439
Speaker 3: we kind of get a walk through. Somebody says, looks

1037
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 3: like somebody put the white boys through the queas and art,

1038
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 3: I guess, referring to the cuts from the Flying Disc.

1039
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 3: And Jack Kaine's boss arrives to give the classic reprimand

1040
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 3: of the rogue cop by the chief monologue. So we

1041
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 3: get eye out to break your neck. You're taking it

1042
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 3: to personal. You're a loose cannon. You're off the case,

1043
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 3: go on vacation. That's in order. We're not yet to

1044
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 3: meet your new partner, but that will come in the

1045
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:43,280
Speaker 3: next scene.

1046
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, by the books.

1047
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:47,799
Speaker 3: Now, in the opening scene, we don't necessarily get a

1048
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 3: great look at the character of Jack Kine because he

1049
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:53,439
Speaker 3: is sitting in a car. And then the later action

1050
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:55,799
Speaker 3: scene'es in like a dark store where they've shot out

1051
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 3: the light. So let's take in Kane in his full

1052
00:54:58,160 --> 00:54:58,879
Speaker 3: glory here.

1053
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say he's essentially a walking, big and tall

1054
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:04,879
Speaker 2: store wrack in this film. Like I just kept being

1055
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 2: shocked by just like how much clothing he's wearing. And

1056
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 2: you know, not just that he's not shirtless, but like

1057
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 2: it's like, wow, that's that's a lot of clothes. He

1058
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 2: had to go to the big and tall shop for that.

1059
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 2: That's specially in this movie.

1060
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:19,840
Speaker 3: He does not have his Ivan Drago blonde Frankenstein haircut.

1061
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 3: He's got brown hair and I don't know what you

1062
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:24,839
Speaker 3: call this hairdo, but it's more normal looking. It's sort

1063
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 3: of done up a little bit elvisy, but with a

1064
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 3: I don't know, later more eighties kind of style. His

1065
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:34,840
Speaker 3: outfit includes what looks to me like a black denim

1066
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 3: cutoff of vest. I think it used to be a

1067
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:40,880
Speaker 3: jacket or long sleeve shirt, but with the sleeves removed,

1068
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 3: the badge mounted on the vest. And then this is

1069
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:48,760
Speaker 3: over a black Houston Astro's T shirt. So it's a,

1070
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 3: I thought, an amusing look. But another thing I want

1071
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 3: to get to is that a lot of movies of

1072
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 3: this kind will introduce some sort of little personality quirk

1073
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 3: to their main cut character to distinguish them ever so

1074
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 3: slightly from the other butt kicking, loose cannon cops who

1075
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 3: get results that we may have encountered in our movie

1076
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 3: Going Lives. For example, with Rutger Howard's character Harley Stone

1077
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 3: in Split Second, the quirk was do you remember what

1078
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:17,400
Speaker 3: it was?

1079
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 2: Rob? Oh? He loved coffee and he loved sweets.

1080
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a sweet tooth. He loved candy, and he

1081
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 3: put tons of sugar in his coffee. Yeah, so that

1082
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:30,360
Speaker 3: was an interesting pick, And honestly, I think the quirk

1083
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 3: they pick for Dolph Lindegren's character here is kind of weak.

1084
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 3: The quirk is that he never breaks a promise. It

1085
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 3: is something that is universally true of his personality and

1086
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:46,320
Speaker 3: everybody knows this about him. Odd choice, Yeah, I agree.

1087
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:48,840
Speaker 2: I mean it feels kind of mythic or folkloric in

1088
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 2: its own way, but it also never feels real either.

1089
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 2: There's like the scene with his on again, off again girlfriend,

1090
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 2: which is like, I wish you would make a promise

1091
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 2: to me one day, like you make promises to us

1092
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 2: people and he's like, I don't know, I'm not ready

1093
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 2: to do that yet.

1094
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, he doesn't do it in the scene. But also

1095
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 3: what promises is she aware of him making to other people?

1096
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 3: And also isn't keeping promises just a normal thing that

1097
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 3: is expected of most honest people, Like I feel like

1098
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 3: it would be more notable if a person was known

1099
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 3: for breaking a promise every promise they made.

1100
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it seems like they get to come up

1101
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 2: with something else with this character, and I mean they

1102
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 2: kinda they kind of weave it into the plot a

1103
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 2: little bit, but it never really sticks.

1104
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 3: The way it's first introduced is in this scene where

1105
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 3: the chief is, you know, Chiefs is chewing him out.

1106
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 3: He's saying, you're off the case. I command you to

1107
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:39,439
Speaker 3: take vacation, and then he says, actually, no, I don't

1108
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 3: order you to take vacation. I order you to promise

1109
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 3: me you will take all your vacation days, because I

1110
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 3: know you never break a promise. Jack Caine, Oh, he

1111
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 3: got him, He got him. Can't get out of this.

1112
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 3: There's no way out unless there is intervention by a

1113
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 3: higher power. And then here we introduce the FEDS. The

1114
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 3: FBI comes in and Dolf meets the character of Agent Switzer,

1115
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 3: an arrogant, domineering FBI agent of the shut up and

1116
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 3: do what you're told style. He explains that his job

1117
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 3: is to know things, and he's smarter than everybody else

1118
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 3: and that regular cops like Dolf are just stupid and

1119
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 3: beneath him and they need to obey what he says.

1120
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 3: So Switzer takes Dolf into the bathroom to discuss the

1121
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 3: strangeness of the murder scene, it's like, what could have

1122
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 3: left these incisions on the victims? And Dolph says, I've

1123
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,479
Speaker 3: seen a lot of knife wounds, but these were done

1124
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 3: by something else. Okay, I mean to be clear, Like

1125
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 3: we see the wounds in the movie and that nothing

1126
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 3: seems all that remarkable about them.

1127
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, but also we don't have a weapon.

1128
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.

1129
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 2: They're like, what could have done?

1130
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 3: Whatever this weapon is, it's the key to understanding what

1131
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 3: happened here. So Switzer decides that Cain should be back

1132
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 3: on the case. He comes and he tells the chief, Hey,

1133
00:58:57,480 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 3: you know, you've got to put him back on the case,

1134
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 3: and the chief complies. But the condition here is that

1135
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 3: Cain has to be paired with a new partner, and

1136
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 3: Dolph might as well look directly into the camera and

1137
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 3: shrug while a zoinc sound effect plays. It's like, new partner. Okay,

1138
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 3: So it's a classic cop movie pair up. The new

1139
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 3: partner is a sharply dressed FBI agent named Larry Smith,

1140
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 3: and it's cop oil versus FBI water. Cain is tall,

1141
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:33,920
Speaker 3: Smith is short, Cain is buff, Smith is skinny. Smith

1142
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:36,920
Speaker 3: is by the book. Cain plays by his own rules.

1143
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 3: Smith is snooty and stuck up, while Cain is down

1144
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 3: to earth. You could have a beer with him. Smith

1145
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 3: operates on reason and logic, which the movie implies are

1146
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 3: stupid and doomed to fail, while Cain relies on instinct,

1147
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 3: which is smart and gets results.

1148
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a whole sequence where they discuss the difference

1149
00:59:56,480 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 2: between relying on your gut and relying on on logic

1150
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 2: and learning without ever drawing the obvious. I mean, I

1151
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 2: would think to everyone connection between learning and repetition and instinct. Yeah,

1152
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 2: like these things go hand in hand. Why these seems

1153
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 2: like these are falsely separate categories here.

1154
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course to the extent that instinct would actually

1155
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 3: be useful. It's like because of experience. Yeah, But essentially

1156
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 3: they're setting it up where like Cain is a jock

1157
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 3: and Smith is a nerd, and this movie hates nerds. Well,

1158
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 3: actually there are some nerds later on that we find

1159
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 3: out are okay, but certain nerds are not so good.

1160
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 3: And in the scene where they very first meet in

1161
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:42,439
Speaker 3: the chief's office, they are immediately clashing because Smith condescends

1162
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 3: to Cain, He's like trying to explain the definition of

1163
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 3: the word parameters and Cain is getting mad, and then

1164
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 3: they get interrupted when the coroner comes in. The coroner

1165
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 3: is Diane Palone, as we mentioned earlier. She also happens

1166
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 3: to be Cain's girlfriend or something like that. They are

1167
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 3: in some kind of ambiguous romantic relationship. Oh and something

1168
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 3: I didn't mention before. Apparently Jack Kane went off the

1169
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 3: grid for eight days before the nightclubs stakeout, and nobody

1170
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 3: knew where he was or if he was even alive,

1171
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:19,480
Speaker 3: including his boss and including Diane. Though it's I don't

1172
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 3: think it's ever explained why he went dark all this time?

1173
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 3: Do they ever say?

1174
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 2: We never get an explanation, He never has to explain

1175
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 2: what was yeah, and we just kind of forget about

1176
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 2: it after a while.

1177
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 3: Maybe his reason was just instinct.

1178
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, Or maybe he had a really good reason. He

1179
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 2: made a promise about it. I don't know.

1180
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 3: Anyway. So Jack and Smith are in the room and

1181
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 3: the coroner comes into the scene to explain that the

1182
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 3: forensics work has done. The murder weapon was quote razor

1183
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 3: thin and razor sharp. It made a deep, straight incision.

1184
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 3: I'd have trouble making with the scalpel. And the chief says,

1185
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 3: how do you explain, and the coroner says, I can't

1186
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 3: music sting. Everyone in the room makes ominous eyes at

1187
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 3: each other. I was laughing out loud here. I'm reminded

1188
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 3: of our episode on the cattle mutilation panic, where it's like,

1189
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:16,439
Speaker 3: it's impossible to explain these cuts in the skin being

1190
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 3: so straight and precise with earthly technology. Oh and also

1191
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 3: Jack tries to patch things up with Diane after this,

1192
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 3: but it doesn't go well. She's mad at him because

1193
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 3: you know, he disappeared for eight days without talking to her,

1194
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 3: and Smith mocks Jack's relationship troubles.

1195
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 2: Smith is not likable at first. He thankfully he does

1196
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:39,440
Speaker 2: grow on you. But they really come out strong with

1197
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 2: the idea that this guy's just unlikable, that we're totally

1198
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 2: unteamed Dolph at this point and can't wait to lose

1199
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:46,520
Speaker 2: this guy.

1200
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:49,920
Speaker 3: That's right. So we get to see them clashing again

1201
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:54,040
Speaker 3: because they get immediately into some police work. Smith wants

1202
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 3: to start off their investigation by reading the coroner's report

1203
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 3: and Cain wants to ignore the report and go straight

1204
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 3: to the scene of the crime. Smith explains how he

1205
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:07,400
Speaker 3: solves crimes. According to the Quote Switzer Manual, it is

1206
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 3: a handbook created by his boss, agent Switzer. Uh And

1207
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:14,680
Speaker 3: to be fair, yet that does sound really lame. But

1208
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:18,680
Speaker 3: the handbook includes advice such as exploit the knowledge of experts.

1209
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:22,920
Speaker 3: Their expertise is essential. And Jack Kane is dismissive of this,

1210
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:25,280
Speaker 3: and rightly so. It would be foolish to clutter your

1211
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 3: mind with facts about the case. You know, he's you're

1212
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:30,280
Speaker 3: supposed to go to the crime scene and like get

1213
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 3: a vibe, feel it out.

1214
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, just just feel it out. And we see this

1215
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 2: all the time in cop shows, right, I Mean, there's

1216
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:39,760
Speaker 2: like a cop and he just has to inhabit the scene,

1217
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:42,680
Speaker 2: you know, he has to get in the mind the killer.

1218
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:45,720
Speaker 2: Put in some headphones and listen to some music and

1219
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:48,280
Speaker 2: kind of like a have a jazz session with the

1220
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:50,640
Speaker 2: crime scene. Yeah.

1221
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:55,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, he has to really feel it. But then, oh,

1222
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:58,680
Speaker 3: and then there's some more clashing because Switzer the Switzer

1223
01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:03,640
Speaker 3: Manual says that you're supposed to professionally. Smith says external

1224
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 3: things are very important. They tell people who you are.

1225
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 3: And Jack Kane is apparently just not dressed up to standards.

1226
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:13,520
Speaker 3: But once they get to the crime scene, this dynamic continues.

1227
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:16,840
Speaker 3: Jack mock Smith for taking measurements and notes at the

1228
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:20,840
Speaker 3: crime scene. What a nerd, Jack says, So it's all clinical.

1229
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:24,680
Speaker 3: Huh what about instinct? And Smith thinks instinct is no

1230
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 3: good Jack says, it works for him. Meanwhile, we're going

1231
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:31,720
Speaker 3: to see the arrival of a second man from space.

1232
01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:35,840
Speaker 3: There's like a derelict building where there's a woman sorting

1233
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:40,160
Speaker 3: through aluminum cans. Suddenly a fireball hits from above, plows

1234
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:42,600
Speaker 3: through a bunch of walls, and a guy dressed like

1235
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:45,880
Speaker 3: the first alien emerges, except he has dark hair instead

1236
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:48,160
Speaker 3: of blonde hair. And this is the one with the scullet.

1237
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:49,560
Speaker 3: This is going to be our good alien.

1238
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 2: Yes, who spoiler is hunting the bad alien, right.

1239
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:57,760
Speaker 3: But we also see the bad alien at work. We're

1240
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 3: going to get our first alien heroin at tax scene

1241
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 3: in a in a scene structure that will be recreated

1242
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:07,680
Speaker 3: several more times in the film. The blonde alien like

1243
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:11,960
Speaker 3: he attacks a bail bondsman in his office late at night,

1244
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:14,280
Speaker 3: and he does some kind of weird stuff to his

1245
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 3: body before murdering him. Rob, do you want to explain

1246
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:19,200
Speaker 3: the breakdown of one of these attacks?

1247
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:22,680
Speaker 2: Sure? Sure, this is how it goes down. So first,

1248
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 2: our evil alien drug pusher is going to rip the

1249
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:28,920
Speaker 2: shirt open a little bit, and then he's going to

1250
01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:31,640
Speaker 2: use sort of like a it's kind of like a tentacle,

1251
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:35,000
Speaker 2: but also kind of like a kind of like the

1252
01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:37,680
Speaker 2: thing Scorpion shoots out of his wrist in Mortal Kombat.

1253
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, it's I think of it as a

1254
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 2: heroin injector tentacle. So this embeds in your chest and

1255
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:45,800
Speaker 2: just fills you with like a lethal dose or a

1256
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:48,160
Speaker 2: near lethal dose of heroin, just all the heroin in

1257
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:50,640
Speaker 2: the world pumped directly into you. And then while this

1258
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:54,080
Speaker 2: is going through your system, he has this big spike

1259
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:57,840
Speaker 2: that he loads out of his like wrist gauntlet thing,

1260
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:02,680
Speaker 2: and he drives that into your brain to then we

1261
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 2: get a lot of sci fi explanations about this later,

1262
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:07,560
Speaker 2: but essentially he's draining the brain juice out of your

1263
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:12,480
Speaker 2: heroin addle brain and then using that later to manufacture

1264
01:06:12,560 --> 01:06:13,920
Speaker 2: his own special space drug.

1265
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:16,680
Speaker 3: That's right, So that what you were calling the heroin

1266
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:19,280
Speaker 3: injector tentacle, I was thinking of as the drug snake.

1267
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:22,480
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's like a it's like a prehensile winding

1268
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:24,560
Speaker 3: kind of thing. It stabs into the people, it injects

1269
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:26,360
Speaker 3: them and then he gets the brain juice.

1270
01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:29,479
Speaker 2: Oh, and then the spike. Yeah is really really they

1271
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:31,120
Speaker 2: did a great job with the effects on this, because

1272
01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 2: the spike really looks brutal when he drives this into.

1273
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:35,640
Speaker 2: One of the victims says, they don't show it at first.

1274
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 2: They kind of successfully build up the mystique regarding like

1275
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 2: what exactly is he doing to these people, But then

1276
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:44,960
Speaker 2: we see it. Yeah, he's draining something out of their

1277
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:48,080
Speaker 2: brains after he gets them high with the heroin.

1278
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:50,919
Speaker 3: Oh, and every time he says I come in peace.

1279
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:51,760
Speaker 2: Yes.

1280
01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:54,760
Speaker 3: There are also later scenes where he does the same

1281
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:58,320
Speaker 3: attack on different people. He attacks a guy driving a forklift,

1282
01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:01,600
Speaker 3: a woman repairing a car, and in these later scenes

1283
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:05,160
Speaker 3: we see the scullet alien chasing after the blonde alien,

1284
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 3: blowing up nearly every car and building in Houston in

1285
01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:11,760
Speaker 3: the process, so many explosions. There's one scene where that

1286
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:16,960
Speaker 3: the fugitive alien is just running away by like jumping

1287
01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:19,840
Speaker 3: from car hood to car hood. He's like running in

1288
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:22,480
Speaker 3: every step lands on a different cars hood as they're

1289
01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:25,440
Speaker 3: parked in a row, and all of the cars explode

1290
01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:26,919
Speaker 3: as soon as he jumps off of them.

1291
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:30,600
Speaker 2: Because the aliens. In addition to these gadgets that we've

1292
01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 2: already mentioned with the bad alien. They also have these

1293
01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:35,920
Speaker 2: crazy guns that I believe are also based on the

1294
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:39,520
Speaker 2: same underlying technology that they used to create the RoboCop gun.

1295
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:43,480
Speaker 2: They have this like crazy space gun that just explodes

1296
01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:45,040
Speaker 2: everything in its line of fire.

1297
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:49,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, it shoots explosives at a buzzing rate of fire.

1298
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:53,520
Speaker 3: But the blonde alien just keeps getting away. So we

1299
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:56,240
Speaker 3: come back to our cops. Jack Kane apparently is going

1300
01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:59,320
Speaker 3: to show Agent Smith how to work by instinct, and

1301
01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:03,200
Speaker 3: so he takes him to some kind of combination nightclub

1302
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:07,040
Speaker 3: bar slash strip club and he says, I can think here,

1303
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:10,160
Speaker 3: and Smith is not happy with this. He's like, I

1304
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:13,440
Speaker 3: don't drink on duty. And then Jack Caine goes and

1305
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:17,040
Speaker 3: harasses and sort of beats up a guy, some regular

1306
01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:20,160
Speaker 3: informant of his. This is owner, Yeah, this is the

1307
01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:24,559
Speaker 3: ratcatcher from Split Second. But this apparently gets them nowhere.

1308
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:27,280
Speaker 3: The guy has no information to report except to say

1309
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:30,280
Speaker 3: that like, oh, there's no drugs on the streets. Everything

1310
01:08:30,360 --> 01:08:33,759
Speaker 3: dried up. What happened? Smith promises to file a report

1311
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:38,080
Speaker 3: about this, but Jack Caine does get insight in this

1312
01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:42,679
Speaker 3: scene unrelated to his harassment of this poor guy here

1313
01:08:43,320 --> 01:08:46,120
Speaker 3: by looking at a nearby pool table in the bar.

1314
01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:49,120
Speaker 3: And I didn't understand what his revelation was at first,

1315
01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:52,000
Speaker 3: but then going back on it, I realized, Oh, he's

1316
01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:55,599
Speaker 3: watching the ball bouncing off the walls of the pool

1317
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:58,720
Speaker 3: table to make a bank shot. And then he realizes

1318
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:01,800
Speaker 3: that the weapon at the scene was a projectile that

1319
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:03,280
Speaker 3: bounced off the walls.

1320
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:06,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't understand the connection either, but hey, I mean,

1321
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:10,640
Speaker 2: that's the thing. We're too logical. He is an investigator

1322
01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:12,879
Speaker 2: that is based entirely in instinct.

1323
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 3: That's true. We are nerds and losers who rely on reason,

1324
01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:19,360
Speaker 3: and that that's not getting us anywhere, so we would

1325
01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:22,040
Speaker 3: never solve this case. He goes back to the crime scene,

1326
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:25,479
Speaker 3: taking Smith with him, and they find the weapon. They

1327
01:09:26,320 --> 01:09:28,960
Speaker 3: Jack Kane sort of like models how it flew around

1328
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:32,600
Speaker 3: the room and realizes it ended up lodging itself in

1329
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:36,320
Speaker 3: a speaker cabinet and it's still there in the speaker cabinet.

1330
01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:39,520
Speaker 3: It's like jammed into the speaker cone and like vibrating,

1331
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:42,519
Speaker 3: and it looks again like a metal CD. It looks

1332
01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:45,800
Speaker 3: it's a disc and if removed from the speaker, it

1333
01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:49,200
Speaker 3: cuts them and flies around the room until lodging itself

1334
01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:52,360
Speaker 3: back in the speaker. So they have found the secret

1335
01:09:52,400 --> 01:09:56,000
Speaker 3: alien weapon. Jack Kane takes the weapon home to his apartment,

1336
01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:59,920
Speaker 3: against the protestation of Smith, who quotes the Switzer Manual

1337
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:03,479
Speaker 3: saying that evidence must be turned over in a timely manner.

1338
01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:05,800
Speaker 3: And again, I'm sorry, I got a side with him here.

1339
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:08,559
Speaker 3: He's right, like, can cops just take evidence home with

1340
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:10,840
Speaker 3: them overnight? What about chain of custody?

1341
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:14,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's just normal evidence, not even getting into

1342
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:18,480
Speaker 2: the realm of strange alien weapons that nobody understands.

1343
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:20,920
Speaker 3: But in this scene we get a little bit of

1344
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:24,080
Speaker 3: the thawing of the relationship between them because Smith follows

1345
01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:27,520
Speaker 3: Jack Kaine into his apartment and he is immediately impressed

1346
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:32,000
Speaker 3: Jack Kane. But why he's impressed was funny. He's impressed

1347
01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:35,000
Speaker 3: that Jack Kane has like high end wine and fine

1348
01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:38,280
Speaker 3: art on his walls. So Smith is like, Wow, I

1349
01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:41,040
Speaker 3: thought you were a low life, but actually you are

1350
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:43,840
Speaker 3: secretly very classy and I didn't realize.

1351
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:47,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I love that, Like this kind of reveals

1352
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:50,080
Speaker 2: more about Kane's character, but also doesn't. It's just kind

1353
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:52,400
Speaker 2: of like, oh, he likes paintings and he likes wine.

1354
01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:54,759
Speaker 2: All right, very well, yeah, he's a wine guy instead

1355
01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:57,280
Speaker 2: of a beer guy. I guess that's some level of depth.

1356
01:10:57,600 --> 01:10:59,760
Speaker 3: It seems like he's a beer guy in public, but

1357
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:03,439
Speaker 3: a line guy in private. What does that mean? Well, anyway,

1358
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:05,639
Speaker 3: Jack threatened Smith. He's like, if you try to take

1359
01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:07,720
Speaker 3: this evidence from me, I'm gonna I'm gonna hit you

1360
01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:11,400
Speaker 3: very very hard. So Smith leaves, and then Jack later

1361
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:14,599
Speaker 3: goes to Diane's apartment to be like, I love you.

1362
01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:16,920
Speaker 3: You know, I'm sorry that I didn't tell you where

1363
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:20,479
Speaker 3: I was for eight days. She's she's very mad. But

1364
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:24,160
Speaker 3: here's where we get to that that bizarrely written line

1365
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:29,639
Speaker 3: where she's like, Jack promised me something. She says, promise

1366
01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:32,280
Speaker 3: to remember my birthday. Promise you'll come meet my mother,

1367
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:35,479
Speaker 3: Promise me anything. I just want you to promise me

1368
01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:37,679
Speaker 3: something like you promise everybody else.

1369
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:41,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like a very low bar for him

1370
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:46,040
Speaker 2: to meet in this relationship. So it's really hard to

1371
01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:49,400
Speaker 2: figure this one out. What they were trying to trying

1372
01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:51,559
Speaker 2: trying to reveal about this character.

1373
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:54,000
Speaker 3: I feel like he could have workshopped that. Yeah, I

1374
01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:56,880
Speaker 3: don't know. Yeah, but he doesn't promise her anything. They

1375
01:11:56,960 --> 01:12:00,920
Speaker 3: just start smooching, you know. And and Dolph comes back

1376
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:03,640
Speaker 3: to his apartment the next morning to find it ransacked

1377
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:07,000
Speaker 3: and Smith is hiding inside. Smith says he just got there.

1378
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:09,880
Speaker 3: He found it like this. Somebody tried to steal the

1379
01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:14,160
Speaker 3: evidence the alien weapon, but fortunately Jack dropped it off

1380
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:17,320
Speaker 3: the night before with somebody else who Well, here we're

1381
01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:19,840
Speaker 3: going to meet another character, the scientist who works at

1382
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:24,880
Speaker 3: the university. And what's this is Jack Kine actually associating

1383
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:27,240
Speaker 3: with a nerd. I guess there really is more to

1384
01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:30,479
Speaker 3: him than meets the eye. And in this scene they

1385
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:32,960
Speaker 3: go talk to the nerd and it is explained that

1386
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:37,320
Speaker 3: the murder disc works by electro magnetism, being attracted to

1387
01:12:37,400 --> 01:12:41,760
Speaker 3: the electric charge of the human body or to any

1388
01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:45,680
Speaker 3: magnetic charge. So they say the reason it's lodged in

1389
01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:48,400
Speaker 3: the speaker is because the speaker cone has a magnet

1390
01:12:48,439 --> 01:12:51,519
Speaker 3: in it. That's the driver and it was attracted to that.

1391
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:55,800
Speaker 3: But you can tune it to attack the charge of

1392
01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:59,840
Speaker 3: a human body. And the scientist says, it's like turning

1393
01:13:00,200 --> 01:13:04,080
Speaker 3: radio dial to K I L L.

1394
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:06,519
Speaker 2: This whole scene with what is the name Bruce, I

1395
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:10,640
Speaker 2: think the scientists very over the top. This is some

1396
01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:13,680
Speaker 2: of the other like intentional humor humorous parts of the

1397
01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:16,320
Speaker 2: film are a little more subtle, but this is one

1398
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:19,600
Speaker 2: of the moments where it's really ratcheted up, like like

1399
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:23,360
Speaker 2: some sort of a an explosion that's been triggered for

1400
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 2: a string of cars.

1401
01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:27,479
Speaker 3: And I would say with mixed success. Some of the

1402
01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:30,240
Speaker 3: gags in the scene really fall flat. Others are kind

1403
01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:33,000
Speaker 3: of funny, Like it is funny the way the scientist

1404
01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:36,280
Speaker 3: is frantically trying to hide pills from the FBI guy.

1405
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:39,320
Speaker 2: Well, that was good. Yeah, it's like these are vital

1406
01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:40,000
Speaker 2: to my research.

1407
01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:43,400
Speaker 3: So they leave the disc with the scientist and then

1408
01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:46,200
Speaker 3: later Jack and Smith meet with Diane at the coroner's

1409
01:13:46,200 --> 01:13:50,440
Speaker 3: office to review new evidence from the alien murder suspects.

1410
01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:52,960
Speaker 3: The people who have gotten you know, drug snaked, and

1411
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:55,800
Speaker 3: she explains what's going on. People are being injected with

1412
01:13:55,960 --> 01:14:00,240
Speaker 3: massive heroin overdoses. They don't know why yet, but she's like,

1413
01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:02,320
Speaker 3: you know, people do all kinds of weird stuff to

1414
01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:06,920
Speaker 3: each other. And then she looks at Jack. But on

1415
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:09,519
Speaker 3: the way out, Jack, oh, this is the scene where

1416
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:12,639
Speaker 3: he gets a postcard from the villain from Victor Manning

1417
01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:16,240
Speaker 3: and Rio that's just like it's just like, Jack, wish

1418
01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:18,600
Speaker 3: you were dead. I hate you. I'm sending people to

1419
01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:19,519
Speaker 3: kill you right now.

1420
01:14:21,439 --> 01:14:23,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and again we'll never see this guy again. There's

1421
01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:26,360
Speaker 2: no follow up to this part of the plot.

1422
01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:28,800
Speaker 3: At the end, you get a sense that the ending

1423
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:31,040
Speaker 3: is kind of like the ending of Silence of the Lambs,

1424
01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:33,320
Speaker 3: where it's like, you know, they're going after Chilton and

1425
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:36,880
Speaker 3: wherever he is. But okay, so Victor Manning's gang is

1426
01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:40,880
Speaker 3: coming after Jack Jack for some reason. So there's like

1427
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:44,719
Speaker 3: a car chase where his goons chase Jack and Smith

1428
01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:48,240
Speaker 3: around in traffic. So they're like, okay, we got to

1429
01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:50,479
Speaker 3: go confront these guys. So they go to the White

1430
01:14:50,479 --> 01:14:53,479
Speaker 3: Boy's headquarters, which just seems to be like a big

1431
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:59,720
Speaker 3: law firm. Jack like, he gets inside by setting off

1432
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:02,480
Speaker 3: a bunch of car alarms on the sports cars outside.

1433
01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:06,000
Speaker 3: People open the door and he sneaks in. He beats

1434
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:08,800
Speaker 3: up the guards outside the board meeting, and then goes

1435
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:11,919
Speaker 3: into the board meeting confronts Warren, the second in command,

1436
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:15,800
Speaker 3: and Warren thinks that it is the cops who killed

1437
01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:18,479
Speaker 3: their guys and stole all the heroin. Jack doesn't know

1438
01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:21,160
Speaker 3: what he's talking about so they're like, well, then, who

1439
01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:23,920
Speaker 3: actually took all the heroin? They don't know, but the

1440
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:27,000
Speaker 3: gang has no drugs to deal so their business is suffering.

1441
01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:29,800
Speaker 3: So Warren makes a deal. He says, all right, we

1442
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:33,120
Speaker 3: have captured your FBI buddy Smith here and we're going

1443
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:36,479
Speaker 3: to kill him unless Jack goes and buys them a

1444
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:39,960
Speaker 3: bunch of heroin for them to sell. This is the

1445
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:43,920
Speaker 3: scene where we meet al Leong because he's the guy

1446
01:15:43,960 --> 01:15:47,439
Speaker 3: who's supposed to be like selling the heroin to Jack,

1447
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:51,120
Speaker 3: but it's a double cross. He gives Jack an empty

1448
01:15:51,160 --> 01:15:54,000
Speaker 3: suitcase with nothing in it after Jack gives him the money,

1449
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:56,960
Speaker 3: and then he runs out of the building. Jack chases

1450
01:15:57,000 --> 01:16:01,519
Speaker 3: after him, but on pursuit he encounters as the blonde

1451
01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:04,000
Speaker 3: Aly and meets him I think, like grabs him by

1452
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:06,960
Speaker 3: the neck. But then the cop alien shows up and

1453
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:08,840
Speaker 3: they start shooting at each other and they make the

1454
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:12,320
Speaker 3: whole alleyway explode and Jack witnesses the entire thing.

1455
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:15,320
Speaker 2: So at this point things are finally like getting back

1456
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:18,080
Speaker 2: on track. I feel like the investigation portion of the

1457
01:16:18,120 --> 01:16:20,880
Speaker 2: movie feels like he goes on a bit too long.

1458
01:16:21,320 --> 01:16:26,479
Speaker 2: There aren't as many explosions, you know. Luckily, we do

1459
01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:29,080
Speaker 2: have those random scenes with the aliens to keep things moving.

1460
01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:32,439
Speaker 3: Oh meanwhile, in this whole scene, Smith beats up his

1461
01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:35,320
Speaker 3: captors and escapes, so maybe hey, he's maybe he's part

1462
01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:39,120
Speaker 3: jock after all. But after this, we we sort of

1463
01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:42,479
Speaker 3: followed the blonde alien back to his lair like he's

1464
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:45,000
Speaker 3: you know, he has this big fight and he gets

1465
01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:48,760
Speaker 3: away and we see him go back to It's kind

1466
01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:50,599
Speaker 3: of in fact, it's kind of like when we see

1467
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:53,400
Speaker 3: the Predator, like, you know, cleaning his trophies in the

1468
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:54,280
Speaker 3: first movie.

1469
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:57,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we find that he's he's just basically camped

1470
01:16:57,920 --> 01:17:00,839
Speaker 2: out in the ruins there, the industrial ruin there in Houston.

1471
01:17:02,280 --> 01:17:04,320
Speaker 2: When I would see the trailer for this movie and

1472
01:17:04,360 --> 01:17:06,599
Speaker 2: the promotional materials back in the day, I always assumed

1473
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:09,400
Speaker 2: that this guy was going to like take over or

1474
01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:13,040
Speaker 2: insert himself into the local drug world using his technology.

1475
01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:16,000
Speaker 2: You know those maybe those crazy discs that fly around

1476
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:19,559
Speaker 2: attracted to people's electromagnetic fields. I assumed he was going

1477
01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:23,519
Speaker 2: to maybe be using some sort of crazy space drug

1478
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:26,000
Speaker 2: that the world wasn't ready for. He was going to

1479
01:17:26,040 --> 01:17:29,160
Speaker 2: dominate the market, destroy the competition. But no, instead he's

1480
01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:32,040
Speaker 2: operating like a lone wolf out here, you know, living

1481
01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:35,320
Speaker 2: amidst the ruins, just harvesting what he needs to fill

1482
01:17:35,400 --> 01:17:37,880
Speaker 2: up is this small supply of drugs that he's going

1483
01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:39,720
Speaker 2: to bring back I guess to his home planet or

1484
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:40,519
Speaker 2: his home system.

1485
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:44,160
Speaker 3: Is he also using the drugs he's harvesting for his

1486
01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:46,200
Speaker 3: own pleasure? I think we see him do that.

1487
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:49,599
Speaker 2: I believe so. Yeah, I mean in general, he does

1488
01:17:49,640 --> 01:17:52,719
Speaker 2: a lot of snarling, and you know, he has again

1489
01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:57,479
Speaker 2: just terrific performance here. Just he's a beast. But yeah,

1490
01:17:57,479 --> 01:18:00,679
Speaker 2: I think he is also using this special brain drug.

1491
01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:04,160
Speaker 2: What do they call it? It's called like barci, Is

1492
01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:05,120
Speaker 2: that right, Barsie?

1493
01:18:05,160 --> 01:18:05,439
Speaker 3: I think?

1494
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:07,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, we find out eventually it's called barsie.

1495
01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:12,080
Speaker 3: That's human brain juice, that's what it's called barsie.

1496
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:14,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, at least that's what the good cop tells us

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Speaker 2: when he dies in the backseat.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. But we'll get there in just a second. Okay.

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Speaker 3: But first there is a scene between Jack and Diane

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Speaker 3: where she explains how, you know, all the murder victims

1501
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Speaker 3: have a hole jammed in their heads all the way

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01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:30,800
Speaker 3: down to their pituitary glands. Ah, there it is, which

1503
01:18:30,840 --> 01:18:34,400
Speaker 3: she says, this is where endorphins are created. She explains

1504
01:18:34,439 --> 01:18:38,240
Speaker 3: that endorphins aren't nature's ecstasy. So if you shot somebody

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01:18:38,280 --> 01:18:42,400
Speaker 3: full of heroin then extracted the endorphins from their pituitary gland,

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01:18:42,720 --> 01:18:46,080
Speaker 3: you would have on your hands the perfect drug. The

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Speaker 3: only problem is nobody on Earth has the technology to extract, preserve,

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01:18:51,160 --> 01:18:55,679
Speaker 3: or administer endorphins. Not yet. But Jack puts it all together.

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01:18:55,760 --> 01:18:58,320
Speaker 3: He's like, Aha, nobody on Earth, So now I know

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01:18:58,439 --> 01:19:03,400
Speaker 3: for sure we're dealing with as he tells Smith, and

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01:19:03,479 --> 01:19:05,519
Speaker 3: they go back to their scientist's friend to try to

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Speaker 3: get the disc back because they got some physical evidence

1513
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:11,479
Speaker 3: to back up the drug dealer theory, the alien drug

1514
01:19:11,479 --> 01:19:14,040
Speaker 3: dealer theory. Sorry, but when they get there, the disc

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01:19:14,120 --> 01:19:16,880
Speaker 3: has been stolen. The scientist says that the disc was

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01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:20,280
Speaker 3: stolen by guys who looked like Smith. So you assume

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01:19:20,360 --> 01:19:23,000
Speaker 3: at this point that means more of these preppy gang members.

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01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:26,439
Speaker 3: You know, they're dressed in their suits and they're back

1519
01:19:26,479 --> 01:19:30,280
Speaker 3: to square one. But then the alien drug dealer attacks

1520
01:19:30,280 --> 01:19:32,640
Speaker 3: more people in a convenience store and gets into a

1521
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:36,360
Speaker 3: fight with the alien cop, and the alien cop is

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01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:38,479
Speaker 3: injured in the fight, like he's got sort of iin

1523
01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:41,920
Speaker 3: home from alien guts, hanging out of his belly and

1524
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:46,720
Speaker 3: eventually Jack well. First they get to the cops get

1525
01:19:46,760 --> 01:19:49,040
Speaker 3: to the location, and Jack is ordered off the case

1526
01:19:49,080 --> 01:19:52,400
Speaker 3: once again. The Feds take over everything. They're like, Jack,

1527
01:19:52,479 --> 01:19:55,080
Speaker 3: now you really have to go on vacation, and he

1528
01:19:55,160 --> 01:19:58,599
Speaker 3: convinces Diane to quit her job and go on vacation

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01:19:58,760 --> 01:20:02,240
Speaker 3: with him. But before they can do that, Jack gets

1530
01:20:02,240 --> 01:20:05,160
Speaker 3: into his car and he is confronted by the cop

1531
01:20:05,240 --> 01:20:07,519
Speaker 3: alien who's like hiding in his back seat. I guess

1532
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:10,599
Speaker 3: somehow he knows Jack can be trusted unlike anybody else here.

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01:20:11,080 --> 01:20:13,280
Speaker 2: He can tell he can tell that this is a

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01:20:13,439 --> 01:20:17,479
Speaker 2: true police officer, you know, a man who solves crimes

1535
01:20:17,479 --> 01:20:20,120
Speaker 2: with his gut as opposed to his logic. This is

1536
01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:21,800
Speaker 2: the guy I need to bring the details of the

1537
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:22,240
Speaker 2: case too.

1538
01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:27,240
Speaker 3: Instinct can recognize instinct. Yes, so the alien explains, I

1539
01:20:27,320 --> 01:20:30,679
Speaker 3: am a law enforcement officer from space. The other alien

1540
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:34,320
Speaker 3: is a drug pusher from space, and he explains if

1541
01:20:34,360 --> 01:20:37,679
Speaker 3: he escapes, he will bring more like him to Earth

1542
01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:40,400
Speaker 3: because they'll realize this is a good place to harvest

1543
01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:44,759
Speaker 3: endorphins and they will kill millions to steal their brain juice.

1544
01:20:45,240 --> 01:20:47,360
Speaker 3: Oh and then Smith is in the car with him

1545
01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:49,519
Speaker 3: at this point. So Smith witnesses all of this. He

1546
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:52,120
Speaker 3: knows about the alien at this point, and then the

1547
01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:55,720
Speaker 3: alien self destructs. They're like, we've got his body to

1548
01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:57,760
Speaker 3: show people, so they'll have to believe us. And then

1549
01:20:57,800 --> 01:21:00,200
Speaker 3: like light starts coming out of his mouth and his

1550
01:21:00,280 --> 01:21:01,600
Speaker 3: eyes and he explodes.

1551
01:21:02,040 --> 01:21:04,320
Speaker 2: He does like a mini quickening and then explodes.

1552
01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:08,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he leaves behind his alien gun as evidence.

1553
01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:12,200
Speaker 3: Smith insists on turning in this piece of evidence, and

1554
01:21:12,280 --> 01:21:15,000
Speaker 3: he he holds Jack at gunpoint to be like, you're

1555
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:17,160
Speaker 3: not taking this one. I'm taking this to the boss.

1556
01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:19,960
Speaker 3: You know, this is we got to go by the book.

1557
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:23,360
Speaker 3: But there's a double cross. He takes the gun to Switzer,

1558
01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:27,320
Speaker 3: and Switzer instead of you know, using it to expose

1559
01:21:27,360 --> 01:21:29,680
Speaker 3: the whole plot, he like hides the gun in a

1560
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:32,439
Speaker 3: bag and he's like, Okay, this will be of great

1561
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:35,160
Speaker 3: use to the US military for our you know, for

1562
01:21:35,200 --> 01:21:38,280
Speaker 3: our global domination. Now we're going to have to kill

1563
01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:41,200
Speaker 3: Jack Cain. And then he does another double cross and

1564
01:21:41,280 --> 01:21:44,400
Speaker 3: he's about to kill Smith, I guess to eliminate witnesses

1565
01:21:44,439 --> 01:21:47,599
Speaker 3: once again, but Jack Caine shows back up and saves

1566
01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:51,599
Speaker 3: Smith's life by shooting Switzer. After this, Smith just fully

1567
01:21:51,640 --> 01:21:55,479
Speaker 3: converts to Harley Stone. You know, he's like, I'm kind

1568
01:21:55,479 --> 01:21:58,280
Speaker 3: of used to following procedure, but now I think we

1569
01:21:58,320 --> 01:22:01,120
Speaker 3: should just and he holds up the alien gun and

1570
01:22:01,120 --> 01:22:02,920
Speaker 3: he's like, kick some ass.

1571
01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:07,520
Speaker 2: And so it's definitely going to be just all explosions

1572
01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:10,439
Speaker 2: in action from here on out, and that's ultimately what

1573
01:22:10,479 --> 01:22:11,760
Speaker 2: this film does best.

1574
01:22:11,760 --> 01:22:13,640
Speaker 3: Right, So there's a bunch of the rest of the

1575
01:22:13,640 --> 01:22:15,679
Speaker 3: movie is really just fight scenes. There's like a fight

1576
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:18,759
Speaker 3: scene where they go and try to confront the alien

1577
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:21,960
Speaker 3: and shoot him with the alien gun, but it gets away.

1578
01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:25,600
Speaker 3: They're injured in the process. They have to retreat the

1579
01:22:25,880 --> 01:22:29,400
Speaker 3: two cops. Finally, they eventually meet up with Diane. She's like, hey,

1580
01:22:29,439 --> 01:22:31,320
Speaker 3: I quit my job, ready to go on vacation, and

1581
01:22:31,320 --> 01:22:33,759
Speaker 3: they're like, no, we have to kill an alien drug dealer.

1582
01:22:34,479 --> 01:22:38,120
Speaker 3: So then all three of them are again can they

1583
01:22:38,240 --> 01:22:43,360
Speaker 3: confront the alien? There is a final showdown inside an

1584
01:22:43,439 --> 01:22:47,640
Speaker 3: abandoned factory, of course, where Dolph ends up taunting the

1585
01:22:47,680 --> 01:22:51,320
Speaker 3: alien drug dealer by like smashing the endorphin vials. He's like, oh,

1586
01:22:51,320 --> 01:22:54,400
Speaker 3: you're precious, Barsie, I've got it now, and he's smashing

1587
01:22:54,439 --> 01:22:58,519
Speaker 3: it on the floor and there's a big. You think

1588
01:22:58,560 --> 01:23:01,080
Speaker 3: at the end that the aliens going to defeat Dolf

1589
01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:04,640
Speaker 3: by like piercing him with the drug snake. But in

1590
01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:09,440
Speaker 3: the end, Dolf is able to out you know, outdrawn

1591
01:23:09,560 --> 01:23:12,800
Speaker 3: the alien and twist the drug snake back on him,

1592
01:23:13,400 --> 01:23:16,639
Speaker 3: and then he injects him. He like kicks him into

1593
01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:19,439
Speaker 3: a pipe where the pipe stabs through him, much like

1594
01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:21,519
Speaker 3: the defeat of the villain at the end of the

1595
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:24,120
Speaker 3: movie Commando with Arnold Schwarzenegger by the way, where the

1596
01:23:24,200 --> 01:23:28,360
Speaker 3: villains he gets shoved into a pipe. And then in

1597
01:23:28,439 --> 01:23:31,240
Speaker 3: the end, the alien just says once again, I come

1598
01:23:31,320 --> 01:23:37,120
Speaker 3: in peace, and Dolph Lindergren says, you go in pieces.

1599
01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:39,840
Speaker 2: It's a great exchange. It's a great exchange. I think

1600
01:23:39,880 --> 01:23:42,519
Speaker 2: they give it away in the trailer, but it's great

1601
01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:44,920
Speaker 2: when you finally reach it organically at the end of

1602
01:23:44,920 --> 01:23:45,519
Speaker 2: this journey.

1603
01:23:46,479 --> 01:23:48,679
Speaker 3: And then at the end of the movie, the three

1604
01:23:48,760 --> 01:23:50,360
Speaker 3: friends are like, hey, we did it.

1605
01:23:51,080 --> 01:23:53,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And I think they're all going to go

1606
01:23:53,400 --> 01:23:56,759
Speaker 2: on vacation together. They're talking about this vacation, but Smith's

1607
01:23:56,760 --> 01:23:59,920
Speaker 2: there too, and so yeah, I'm assuming that they just

1608
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:01,920
Speaker 2: all go on vacation together. And I'm fine with it.

1609
01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:04,320
Speaker 3: I think it's great, they're three way buried now and

1610
01:24:04,360 --> 01:24:06,639
Speaker 3: they're going to go to Rio and get revenge on

1611
01:24:07,080 --> 01:24:08,439
Speaker 3: Victor what's his name?

1612
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:11,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. I love how this film sets up a future

1613
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:14,320
Speaker 2: adventure that does not involve all of the cool stuff

1614
01:24:14,600 --> 01:24:18,200
Speaker 2: that made this film watchable. You know, they're like up next,

1615
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:21,400
Speaker 2: just drug dealers. All right, Well, at this point, I

1616
01:24:21,439 --> 01:24:24,040
Speaker 2: do want to come back to a question we raised earlier.

1617
01:24:24,439 --> 01:24:29,240
Speaker 2: Is Tallic the drug pushing alien Santa Claus? So that's

1618
01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:31,639
Speaker 2: credibly good question. Yeah, and you may have a gut

1619
01:24:31,680 --> 01:24:34,080
Speaker 2: answer for this. Your instincts may tell you one way

1620
01:24:34,120 --> 01:24:36,000
Speaker 2: or another, but I thought we might apply a little

1621
01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:38,800
Speaker 2: logic here. So first of all, kind of in the

1622
01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:44,040
Speaker 2: pro category, Tallic has white hair. Like Santa he is

1623
01:24:44,080 --> 01:24:47,640
Speaker 2: coming to town. We already established that, yes, he is

1624
01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:52,240
Speaker 2: giving people something that evidence suggests they like. Okay, yeah, yeah,

1625
01:24:52,280 --> 01:24:54,840
Speaker 2: I mean biometrically, you can't argue with that. I guess

1626
01:24:55,400 --> 01:25:00,320
Speaker 2: he arrives from on high. Okay, Like Santa c in

1627
01:25:00,360 --> 01:25:02,360
Speaker 2: a number of movies, he has to contend with a

1628
01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:05,200
Speaker 2: supernatural adversary that is trying to stop him.

1629
01:25:05,479 --> 01:25:07,519
Speaker 3: Oh, this would make the alien good cop kind of

1630
01:25:07,560 --> 01:25:10,240
Speaker 3: the pitch of this film.

1631
01:25:10,640 --> 01:25:14,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he makes use of various special tools, much

1632
01:25:14,360 --> 01:25:16,839
Speaker 2: like like the Santa Claus in that film.

1633
01:25:17,200 --> 01:25:18,280
Speaker 3: Uh huh.

1634
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:21,799
Speaker 2: He prefers to operate in the shadows. Obviously, his blood

1635
01:25:21,920 --> 01:25:26,200
Speaker 2: may or may not be eggnog, which you know is

1636
01:25:26,280 --> 01:25:29,120
Speaker 2: very Christmas y. He I also have to add he

1637
01:25:29,160 --> 01:25:32,080
Speaker 2: may use a sleigh in reindeer. We never see what

1638
01:25:32,280 --> 01:25:34,479
Speaker 2: made the crater. We don't know. If Talk and the

1639
01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:37,680
Speaker 2: other alien just fell from the sky, we don't know.

1640
01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:40,760
Speaker 2: You know, if they were encapsuled in anything, If there's

1641
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:44,200
Speaker 2: a spaceship, but disposable spaceship they travel in, it's just

1642
01:25:44,280 --> 01:25:47,160
Speaker 2: left of the imagination, and you may use your imagination

1643
01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:50,480
Speaker 2: to insert a sleigh with reindeer.

1644
01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:53,800
Speaker 3: Therefore, he did use a sleigh in reindeer, disprove or

1645
01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:55,200
Speaker 3: accept exactly.

1646
01:25:56,120 --> 01:26:01,240
Speaker 2: However, he has no beard. That's just undeniging. Talk has

1647
01:26:01,280 --> 01:26:06,080
Speaker 2: no beard, therefore maybe he's not Santa. Also, he does

1648
01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:09,320
Speaker 2: not reward and punish with his gift giving. Instead, it's

1649
01:26:09,360 --> 01:26:12,760
Speaker 2: heroin and brain drains for everybody, unless he blows you

1650
01:26:12,840 --> 01:26:16,519
Speaker 2: up with his space gun instead. And then finally, there

1651
01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:20,200
Speaker 2: are no rules of correspondence with talent clause like nobody's

1652
01:26:20,240 --> 01:26:23,200
Speaker 2: writing to tallic and saying, hey, I've been a good

1653
01:26:23,240 --> 01:26:25,120
Speaker 2: boy this year. I would really like a whole lot

1654
01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:28,360
Speaker 2: of heroin shot into my neck with a space snake. Now,

1655
01:26:28,840 --> 01:26:31,120
Speaker 2: you don't communicate with him, he just comes regardless.

1656
01:26:31,439 --> 01:26:33,519
Speaker 3: I would also say that no one leaves out milk

1657
01:26:33,520 --> 01:26:35,920
Speaker 3: and cookies for Tallic No.

1658
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:37,920
Speaker 2: No, I mean he doesn't want milkin cookies. He wants

1659
01:26:37,920 --> 01:26:41,360
Speaker 2: that sweet brain juice, so he knows where to get it.

1660
01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:42,760
Speaker 2: You don't need to leave it out for him.

1661
01:26:43,320 --> 01:26:46,600
Speaker 3: Does he know who's been naughty and who's been nice? Unclear?

1662
01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:51,479
Speaker 2: Unclear? Yeah, I might push that into the con category

1663
01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:54,759
Speaker 2: as well. But hey, maybe you listeners have some thoughts

1664
01:26:54,800 --> 01:26:57,240
Speaker 2: on this. We'd love to hear from you. Also, just

1665
01:26:57,280 --> 01:27:00,479
Speaker 2: in general, on the topic of Christmas action films, are

1666
01:27:00,520 --> 01:27:02,560
Speaker 2: there some other key examples that we didn't mention? Do

1667
01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:05,799
Speaker 2: you have some favorites? I don't know. I'll even entertain

1668
01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:10,280
Speaker 2: the old sort of false or sort of sort of

1669
01:27:10,320 --> 01:27:14,240
Speaker 2: trumped up argument of is Diehard a Christmas movie or not?

1670
01:27:15,439 --> 01:27:17,320
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a Christmas movie if you want it

1671
01:27:17,360 --> 01:27:18,080
Speaker 2: to be. Why not?

1672
01:27:18,680 --> 01:27:20,599
Speaker 3: Okay? I think that is all I can do on

1673
01:27:20,640 --> 01:27:21,799
Speaker 3: the icome In piece.

1674
01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:24,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, right in. We'd love to hear from anyone

1675
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:27,120
Speaker 2: else has thoughts on this film. In the meantime, we'll

1676
01:27:27,160 --> 01:27:28,920
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1678
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1679
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1680
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1681
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