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Speaker 1: Alas they unplugger is Forgotten Season?

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Speaker 2: What is up?

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Speaker 1: Everybody?

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to another episode of Forgotten Seasons. This is

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Speaker 2: your host s Dylan Dreyfus. Today we got Stefan Marbury

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Speaker 2: reliving his second year in the league with the nineteen

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Speaker 2: ninety eighty Wolves. When people talk about nineties and two

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Speaker 2: thousands what ifs in the NBA, the scenario of KG

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Speaker 2: and Marbury sticking together into the two thousands has to

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Speaker 2: be brought up. In ninety eight, at twenty and twenty

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Speaker 2: one years old, KG and Marbury lead the Wolves to

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Speaker 2: forty five wins. They meet the sixty one win Seattle

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Speaker 2: game series back when it was only best of five.

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Speaker 2: The following season, Marbury gets traded to New Jersey. KG

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Speaker 2: is in Minnesota for nine more seasons up until two

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Speaker 2: thousand and seven. There's a few year window from two

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Speaker 2: thousand and three to like two thousand and five where

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Speaker 2: you could really argue that KG was the best player

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Speaker 2: in the league in that nine year window in Minnesota.

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Speaker 2: He he has an All Star teammate just twice, thirty

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Speaker 2: four year old Sam Cassel in four and Wally Serbiak

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Speaker 2: in two thousand and two. Needless to say, but Marbury

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Speaker 2: was the best teammate KG had in Minnesota, and that

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Speaker 2: was at twenty years old. Would have only gotten better

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Speaker 2: as time went on. When you look at Marbury's career

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Speaker 2: after he left Minnesota, it's pretty bleak. Makes the playoff twice,

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Speaker 2: four in New York, both first round exits. Towards the

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Speaker 2: back half of this interview, STEPH opens up about KG

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Speaker 2: and the whole what if scenario speaks pretty honestly candidly

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Speaker 2: about it. Reminder to drop a rating and a review

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Speaker 2: on the podcast. We're gonna get into it now. Forgotten

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Speaker 2: Seasons with Stefan Marbury on the nineteen ninety eight Wolves

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Speaker 2: begins right now. Stefan Marbury, Starbury, you look great. How

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Speaker 2: are you feeling today? Man?

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Speaker 1: I'm all right, man, I'm blessed. I can't I can't complain.

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Speaker 3: I'm here, I'm living as we spoke you, no pre

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Speaker 3: both here.

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Speaker 1: We woke up, So I'm all right. How you doing, hey, Bro?

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Speaker 2: I mean you gotta I'm sure it's usual for you,

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Speaker 2: but I'm here talking with stuff on Marbury Man, I'm

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm living this is uh, you know, this is

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Speaker 2: a dream.

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Speaker 1: So let's do it.

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Speaker 2: Let's do it so real quick. Hitting on this point

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Speaker 2: Guard's documentary, I've seen it. It's amazing streaming on Showtime. Everybody,

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Speaker 2: go watch it real quick. Just tell tell fans basketball

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Speaker 2: fans what they can expect with this documentary and also

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Speaker 2: just the significance of New York point gods to the

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Speaker 2: history of you know, not on the NBA, but but basketball.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you just go to the you go through

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Speaker 3: the history and you think of Bob Coosey, Lenny Bilkin's

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Speaker 3: you know, Sham got Well, Sebastian tel Fear, you know,

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Speaker 1: Basketball from New York City.

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Speaker 3: And the guards who have paved the way in so

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Speaker 2: All right, So heading back again for gotten seasons, We're

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Speaker 2: talking about nineteen ninety seven to ninety eight Minnesota timberwl season,

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Speaker 2: your second year in the league. Brief history of how

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Speaker 2: we led up to this point. You go fourth overall

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Speaker 2: to tick up, especially with you. You ever, seventeen and eight,

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Speaker 3: I came in with a different mind frame and my

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Speaker 1: When I put that on, it just changed my game.

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Speaker 2: There we go hey and real quick. So Kenny Smith

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Speaker 2: but he was saying that he had his toughest matchups

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Speaker 3: My brother Kadafi Alonzo, I mean, he played for We

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Speaker 3: grew up playing against each other every day.

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Speaker 1: I mean, and we will play and we would lose.

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Speaker 3: Whoever lose, sometimes we'll start fighting and then after that

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Speaker 1: So guys like Kadaffi pushed me to be like.

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Speaker 1: Where you're from.

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Speaker 3: Is everybody trying to get out, you know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 3: holy with what Kenny said because it's the truth. You know,

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Speaker 3: getting those opportunities growing up, you don't even realize, Like

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Speaker 3: for me growing up in Coney Allen, people don't realize

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Speaker 1: When we shoot.

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Speaker 1: Honestly nobody. It's hard as hard as hell.

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Speaker 2: So I have to talk about Minnesota with that. Bringing

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Speaker 3: Uh, keV is probably one of the hardest workers and

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Speaker 3: I mean, my brothers used to be like, yo, they

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Speaker 3: And to know keV as a basketball player, nobody worked,

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Speaker 1: So it's great to play with a guy like that.

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Speaker 2: Obviously, he talked ship to the opposing team, He talked

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Speaker 3: keV would guess it's like something inside his brain that switched.

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Speaker 1: I already knew what it was all raw I had white.

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Speaker 3: KNJ is. I mean, I'm not shocked at anything that

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Speaker 2: Hey, that's a big ass hand coming down you too,

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Speaker 2: That's kay, So kind of zooming out right now, Like

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Speaker 1: It was ready to go from one space to another space.

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Speaker 3: When guys like Ala Iverson and myself game, it was

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Speaker 1: But I think for me, I.

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Speaker 3: Like, I never really, I never circled anybody, because every

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Speaker 2: Talk about the West, even the West at that time,

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Speaker 3: I mean you're playing against every night, you're hooping. I

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Speaker 3: mean that's what is which what's the best part about

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Speaker 1: You get you get the who.

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Speaker 3: And you get to go against all of the top

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Speaker 1: Because you have a guy.

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Speaker 3: You going the game thinking, oh, he wasn't on the

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Speaker 1: He on pace for twenty and ten night that's it.

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Speaker 3: That's like, could be forty something points every night that

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Speaker 1: But you get it, you know what I'm saying. So

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Speaker 2: That going into the playoffs. You win forty five games,

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Speaker 2: It's a team that's been there before, they were in

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Speaker 1: Exactly what they did?

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Speaker 3: They used their they used their their smart their savviness

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Speaker 3: they're not about to let these two little young punks

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Speaker 3: because I can't do what I was doing in college

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Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.

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Speaker 1: After that, that was.

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Speaker 2: Give me one Gary Payton sound bite. If you remember.

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Speaker 3: GP, there is no one, there is no one sound like.

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Speaker 1: NonStop there no, that's he, That's he do.

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Speaker 3: That's part of the tenacity that he brings to the

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Speaker 3: He brings that that that that talk, so he brings

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Speaker 3: to that, because if you listen to that, it becomes

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Speaker 3: a distraction. And that's part of it. You just got

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Speaker 3: But on the you gotta just hoop against GP. Smart

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Speaker 2: So you think the worst thing that you can do

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Speaker 3: Basically, there's no point that's he do he do that

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Speaker 2: It's like, is Kep is kept talking at that point

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, cav Cav talking to but he ain't really

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Speaker 3: in Minnesota from what I saw, but in Boston, Cav

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Speaker 3: Side weeks side week sat like you hearing that because

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Speaker 3: so being being that he has all of these different factors,

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Speaker 1: That's that's normal.

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Speaker 3: But KG, they ain't really do that when we were playing,

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Speaker 2: Maybe he's listening to Gary Payton and remembering something he

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Speaker 2: a few weeks into the next season, you're out. You know,

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Speaker 2: it's been said before. You've talked about why you left Minnesota.

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Speaker 2: You know, seemed to be like a cultural figure. Just

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Speaker 3: I listen, I was happy playing basketball there. I just

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Speaker 3: That's not something that I wanted to commit myself to.

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Speaker 3: I love basketball, but it just came down to it

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Speaker 3: wasn't just about basketball. It's about me living and how

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Speaker 3: the fans were great, playing ball there, all of it

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Speaker 3: was was amazing. It was really that part.

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Speaker 1: And you know, but.

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Speaker 3: People are still bitter about.

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Speaker 2: It because because if you look at Kg's career, Bro,

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Speaker 2: like he stayed in Minnesota for how he stayed probably

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Speaker 2: Because that's because I mean, I know, it's it's unfair

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Speaker 1: Yo, I get this question.

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Speaker 2: I am to be like, I know, I'm sorry, I'm sorry,

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: It's so good.

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Speaker 2: It's just yeah, it's got to say something that what

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Speaker 2: twenty five years later, we're still fucking talking about it.

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Speaker 1: With conviction.

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Speaker 3: It's true, Bro, I feel you, I feel you, you know,

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Speaker 3: and you know, it's to the point where people have

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Speaker 3: my memory back and think like, how would it have

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, me and care would have basically

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Speaker 3: Picking rolls, high picking roll and high picking roll with

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Speaker 3: It would be like stocking the malone on steroids. Say that,

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, people may be so mad at me.

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Speaker 2: But no, but no, but no, no, no regret at

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Speaker 2: all on your part.

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Speaker 3: It's not that I have regret about it. It's not

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Speaker 3: because I honestly feel like if I didn't, if all

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Speaker 3: of what didn't happen, we wouldn't be right here talking

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Speaker 3: and having such an amazing conversation right now talking because

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Speaker 3: I've been But you know, at the end of the day,

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Speaker 3: it was it was designed the way how it was designed.

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Speaker 3: What's for me is for me. It was what's for

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Speaker 3: you is for you? What God got for you, God

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Speaker 3: got for you, what God got for me got for me.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I'm a firm believer. I let God

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Speaker 3: direct all my my my my.

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Speaker 1: My my decisions.

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Speaker 3: When I'm making something that's concerned for my future and

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Speaker 3: my family. You know what I'm saying, because this is

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Speaker 3: how you know, I take care of my family, you know,

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Speaker 3: so for me, I wanted to make sure that I

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Speaker 3: that I was happy.

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Speaker 1: That's important.

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Speaker 3: You can't you can't play basketball feeling like that. It's

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Speaker 3: it's it's hard. It's it's stressful enough and all of

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Speaker 3: what you have to do to prepare yourself to play basketball.

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, that's it's hard within itself,

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Speaker 3: but then to do it with another burden of stress,

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Speaker 3: it's not it's not comfortable, and that's not something you

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Speaker 3: should grow being comfortable in an uncomfortable situation. You shouldn't

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Speaker 3: have to do that. And I didn't want to do

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Speaker 3: that for myself. I know myself, So you know that

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Speaker 3: was it was a decision.

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Speaker 2: Hey man, I think at the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: who the hell are we to tell you what? What

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Speaker 2: is the right? And you know, you know that NBA

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Speaker 2: fans live in this fantasy land all love, It's all love.

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Speaker 3: I'm there too, I'm there too, I lived there too.

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Speaker 3: It's all good. It's all good. That's why, you know.

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Speaker 3: To the point now, it makes me feel good sometimes

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Speaker 3: to hear people talk.

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Speaker 1: About it twenty five years later.

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Speaker 3: You know, I know, it's like it's a deep thing

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Speaker 3: and that it shows what what energy they saw on

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Speaker 3: the court during that time, and I respect it.

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Speaker 1: I respect it.

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Speaker 2: It was mean fucking energy, bro, in the best in

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Speaker 2: the in the best way. That's that's why, that's why

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Speaker 2: we're still talking about it, all right, Steph Man. Again,

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Speaker 2: it privileged to talk to you, Bro. I'm sorry to

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Speaker 2: ask you the same question that that every interview asked you.

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Speaker 2: But I mean, you know, you know where it's coming from.

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Speaker 2: It's different coming from you, So it's all good. You

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Speaker 2: come from it coming from a different place. I appreciate it, man. Again,

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Speaker 2: point God, show time, watch it. Uh, Steph Man, any

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Speaker 2: any last words to send to send us to send

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Speaker 2: the listeners off to.

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Speaker 3: Just as my my my older brother Eric say be

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Speaker 3: good and don't hurt nobody.

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Speaker 2: There we go, beautiful, all right. I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: That is a wrap for this week's interview Stephan Marbur

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Speaker 2: on the nineteen ninety eight t Wolves. This is your

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Speaker 2: host Dylan Dreyfus. We will be back next Tuesday with

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Speaker 2: a fresh episode. Reminder, drop a rating and a review

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Speaker 2: next Tuesday. Until then, peace,