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Speaker 1: Derek Eagleton. It's Thursday, September twelfth, twenty nineteen, Season fifteen,
Speaker 1: episode number forty two. Welcome to another edition Off the Break.
Speaker 1: We'll lock nest WBC Boarding studios at the start, and
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk a little bit of Washington defense today. Um.
Speaker 1: Dave has this normal uh scoutter import on these guys,
Speaker 1: probably the better part of their team, I would guess,
Speaker 1: but we'll talk about that as we get into the show.
Speaker 1: We'll also get into some injury updates. How's everybody feel
Speaker 1: this morning? Great? Wow? No, I feel amazing, Thank you, Dave,
Speaker 1: thanks for bringing the energy. Time good, great, grand wonderful.
Speaker 1: Ready to go to our nation's capital watch some football? Yep, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel good too. I was listening to somebody get earlier.
Speaker 1: So what I don't know? How to do? This? Guy?
Speaker 1: I don't know it just makes your whole body. All right.
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I don't know if it was music
Speaker 1: or art or something else. Okay, good, got it, got
Speaker 1: it so smooth. I feel good right now. Yeah. Cool,
Speaker 1: Well you don't need dancing or just listening. No, just listening. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right. How are you, Nick? I'm great, You're good. Yes,
Speaker 1: you look like you're intently reviewing some notes so that
Speaker 1: you're ready to tell us some amazing things about this
Speaker 1: matchup between the Cowboys and the Redskins. No, but I'll
Speaker 1: get there. I'm sure I'll come up with something here.
Speaker 1: You know, we haven't done in a long time. Uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I went to the Six Flags. I don't know, well,
Speaker 1: I went over the fourth of July. We haven't had
Speaker 1: a story time with Nick in a long time. You
Speaker 1: got any stories from the red Skins and maybe you
Speaker 1: want to? Yeah, you could think about it. We could
Speaker 1: get to it later. I just actually was working on
Speaker 1: a top ten list of like the best wins ever
Speaker 1: in Washington, and so I was working on that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It always takes me back to my very first game
Speaker 1: with the team in nineteen ninety nine, and they're twenty
Speaker 1: one points in the fourth quarter, came back in one
Speaker 1: and overtime. That was good. But you know what I
Speaker 1: had to put on the list was Dak's first win
Speaker 1: up there. You know, they're one one. What's gonna happen here?
Speaker 1: You know the Giants, you know, is he the right
Speaker 1: quarterback for this job? You know they lost the first game,
Speaker 1: and then it's going to Washington. Dez is saying he
Speaker 1: wants the ball more and blah blah, and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden he goes out there and wins the game
Speaker 1: and just wins ten more after that in a row.
Speaker 1: So I thought was an interesting win. I do think
Speaker 1: I actually wrote about that this morning. Is this is
Speaker 1: the exact same thing that happen in sixteen home game
Speaker 1: against the Giants. Road trip to play Washington back to
Speaker 1: back to start the season. Not doesn't really mean anything,
Speaker 1: but it's an interesting coincidence. Yeah, all right, let's let's
Speaker 1: get some updates on some injuries. Yesterday we find out
Speaker 1: there were three players that did not participate in practice.
Speaker 1: That was Tavon Austin with a concussion. We mentioned that yesterday.
Speaker 1: Tyron Crawford, who we didn't talk about, has a hip injury,
Speaker 1: and then Louke Gifford, as has been the case, continues
Speaker 1: to have an ankle injury. Talk to me about Tyron Crawford.
Speaker 1: I think that's the one that was most interesting. Caught
Speaker 1: my eye because I hadn't really heard a whole lot
Speaker 1: about that before. Well, it's the same injury he's had
Speaker 1: all off season with the hip, so I would assume
Speaker 1: it's the same one. But I think it's more precautionary
Speaker 1: thing to kind of, hey, let's let's give him a day,
Speaker 1: you know, let's don't just overload him. He was out
Speaker 1: there today, I would imagine it was back today. I
Speaker 1: imagine he'll be it. Maybe listen is limited, it's something
Speaker 1: to watch. I don't yeah, like maybe that's gonna be
Speaker 1: a Wednesday thing again. I think you're gonna see this.
Speaker 1: We didn't talk about it last week because it happened
Speaker 1: after the show. But Sean Lee didn't practice last Friday
Speaker 1: for no reason other than just to limit the wear
Speaker 1: and tear keep him off his feet. He obviously played.
Speaker 1: I think you're going to see that a lot this year,
Speaker 1: where it's just you know, they do vet days in
Speaker 1: training camp. I think they're going to be doing that
Speaker 1: in the season this year. I don't know if that's
Speaker 1: what that was for Tyrone because he is still coming
Speaker 1: back off of that hip surgery, so he kind of
Speaker 1: had a VET day in the game. Sawn Lee. Oh oh,
Speaker 1: I was like, damn, there's just right. I'm just going
Speaker 1: to jump right sixteen. He's the Sam. He's the Sam linebacker.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, I mean that is that different than what
Speaker 1: your expectations were for his role in the teams show?
Speaker 1: Not really expected, just what it is. Yeah, but what
Speaker 1: I'm saying is limiting him on Friday, eliminated on Sunday.
Speaker 1: It's Sean Lee. Yeah, it almost does. It does become
Speaker 1: a little bit curious to curious as to why you
Speaker 1: would need to give him VET days if his his
Speaker 1: role on game days is so limited, which it looks
Speaker 1: like it is. He's thirty two years old. I think
Speaker 1: I don't keep him for I don't care whatever. Keep
Speaker 1: him fresh. Yeah, we'll see. I'm curious if tip you know,
Speaker 1: typically like we always say, like if you're up and
Speaker 1: moving around on Thursday, it means good things for Sunday,
Speaker 1: But keep an eye on Tyrone. M Tavon Austin was
Speaker 1: not at practice again today. I feel like I'm I'm
Speaker 1: making mental preparations to play without him on Sunday. Another guy,
Speaker 1: what one catch? You know he played. He was out there,
Speaker 1: he was doing stuff. He was the guy doing a
Speaker 1: lot of those jets he had. He had one catch
Speaker 1: for eight yards. But I am intrigued by what we
Speaker 1: saw from him because he was doing a lot of
Speaker 1: the jet action. He was the guy looping through the
Speaker 1: backfield on the fake handoffs all the time. They moved
Speaker 1: him around the formation, and that would be that would
Speaker 1: be great. Like you, I think you said it Monday,
Speaker 1: like they're gonna have to do that to get defenses
Speaker 1: to honor it. So yeah, I mean he's not health
Speaker 1: he's probably not gonna play, but when he is, hell,
Speaker 1: if he could give me one to two catches a
Speaker 1: game and a couple carries and be part of that,
Speaker 1: that's awesome. That's what I want from him. And you know,
Speaker 1: I don't want him to be this major part of
Speaker 1: the offense because he hasn't proven he's abable to do that.
Speaker 1: But he could be a really fun kind of gadget guy.
Speaker 1: But I would love for Pollo to be that Lewis.
Speaker 1: As you start to see Zeke kind of work more
Speaker 1: into the offense to where he is getting the bulk
Speaker 1: of the carries. Unlike this last weekend. I would love
Speaker 1: to see Polo take on that kind of role of
Speaker 1: using him like that. You know, what do we always
Speaker 1: say about these coaches that I get it, I'm saying
Speaker 1: what I would like to see you. I'm not holding
Speaker 1: my breath. You may in time, you may in time.
Speaker 1: But like I mean, it's pretty cool they don't trust
Speaker 1: him to pick up a blitz on third down. That's
Speaker 1: why Jamaezola Wally was in there as much as he was. Well,
Speaker 1: this takes that away though, if he's if he's lining
Speaker 1: up in the slot. But what I'm saying is if
Speaker 1: they don't trust him to stand in the backfield and
Speaker 1: deal with pressure, then they probably don't trust him to
Speaker 1: be doing eighteen Because Tavon was doing a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1: He was lining up in a lot of different places,
Speaker 1: is moving around. Like I think, I'm different though. I
Speaker 1: think that is different because I think picking up the
Speaker 1: blitz is not just about trusting him to know it.
Speaker 1: It's also trusting him to be able to have the
Speaker 1: physical capabilities to be able to take on a linebacker.
Speaker 1: That's coming ahead him full blasts. Just don't think they
Speaker 1: want to put a lot on his play right now,
Speaker 1: that's my impression. Well, I think they drafted him to
Speaker 1: do that. They drafted him to do those kind of things,
Speaker 1: and I think Tavon was doing it and not staying
Speaker 1: in the block, So there's different. I think when Zeke's
Speaker 1: out there, whatever the role that Tavon had, I'd like
Speaker 1: to see Polar do it. I think he can handle that.
Speaker 1: Maybe he can't handle a blitzing linebacker, right, but he
Speaker 1: did it in the game. I asked you as like
Speaker 1: as he okay, because I mean, like he was down there,
Speaker 1: it didn't look like he was okay. It wasn't favorable. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But I mean that's part the thing too, of getting
Speaker 1: in the NFL and building up some strength and some
Speaker 1: confidence to take on that blitzing linebacker that's not always easy,
Speaker 1: well speaking, I mean, you guys are talking about injured
Speaker 1: guys coming back and maybe the roles. I know a
Speaker 1: lot of people in doing the proscope yesterday with Brian,
Speaker 1: you still see a lot of people concern about Zach
Speaker 1: Martin and he's back and what's going on there. Do
Speaker 1: you guys ever see a possibility of them just kind
Speaker 1: of rotating him out with the Xavier Sophilo too, maybe
Speaker 1: kind of protect him throughout the season his wear and tear,
Speaker 1: since you know, last weekend they took him out, but
Speaker 1: obviously they had a lead and it wasn't that big
Speaker 1: of a deal. I don't see that. I see him
Speaker 1: getting VET days and things like we were talking about
Speaker 1: to limit the wear on him in practice. But Zach
Speaker 1: Martin is a He's in that class of player that like,
Speaker 1: if he can go, he's first of all, he's gonna
Speaker 1: I mean, he's like Jason Witten in the sense that
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to come off the field assuming the
Speaker 1: game isn't doubt, and then he's that good that I mean.
Speaker 1: Xavier Suofilo has played well at times for this team,
Speaker 1: but like the drop off from Zach Martin to him
Speaker 1: is pretty steep, and I just I mean, if he's
Speaker 1: healthy enough to play, then he's healthy enough to play
Speaker 1: all the time. Yeah, And that's how I see it.
Speaker 1: That's just also something that you don't tend to see
Speaker 1: around the NFL very much because offensive lines play as
Speaker 1: units and so they don't necessarily want to rotate like
Speaker 1: they do at other positions. It's kind of like quarterback
Speaker 1: in the NFL. You know, in college they'll do it some,
Speaker 1: but in the NFL, it's just that's just not something
Speaker 1: that teams traditionally do. Doesn't mean they can't, I just don't.
Speaker 1: I don't see the Cowboys doing that again, like Dave said,
Speaker 1: for one of their best players. But in addition that,
Speaker 1: just because it does create issues of continuity with your
Speaker 1: offensive line if you're kind of rotating guys in and
Speaker 1: I think I angry just throwing possibilities for fans. I
Speaker 1: keep asking about him, and they may they may get
Speaker 1: to a point in the season where, you know, if
Speaker 1: it's if it's back continues to be a problem for him,
Speaker 1: it might get to a point in season where they
Speaker 1: have to give him a week. You know, we saw
Speaker 1: that a few years ago with Tying, where you know,
Speaker 1: it kind of just it was some of those lingering
Speaker 1: and then it got to a point where they just
Speaker 1: had to give him a break. And so that could happen.
Speaker 1: I think that's the whole reason why you keep a
Speaker 1: guy like Xavier sul Philos, because you have confidence in
Speaker 1: the fact that he's a veteran that can step in
Speaker 1: when you need him, and so I think that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are in a pretty good position there. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's the extent of it is, if Zach
Speaker 1: has to come out, you got keep going into placement.
Speaker 1: All indications are positive, Like he came out because they
Speaker 1: were up by twenty five. He's practicing this week. He's
Speaker 1: limited yesterday, which is great. Last week he was not
Speaker 1: practicing on Wednesday, right, I said, And that's just gonna
Speaker 1: be a thing, you know. And it bothers people to
Speaker 1: see the word limited, and I understand that, but it's
Speaker 1: it's for his own good. They're trying again, they're trying
Speaker 1: to limit the stress they put on him when it
Speaker 1: doesn't count. That actually seems to be an improvement that
Speaker 1: he's limited this week. All right, real quick, before we
Speaker 1: go to our first break. I did also want to
Speaker 1: mention Darian Thompson Donovan Wilson both limited and practiced yesterday.
Speaker 1: They have been out of practice, so hopefully that's a
Speaker 1: good sign for both of them. Yeah, and I got
Speaker 1: the sense Thompson's probably going to be active this week.
Speaker 1: I can if he can go. He had the high
Speaker 1: ankle's brain a few weeks ago, but just looking at
Speaker 1: special teams and who and they're working on with kickoff return.
Speaker 1: I could see him being being up there this week.
Speaker 1: I don't know about Wilson though. If he comes back, Okay,
Speaker 1: by the whenever that is, Wilson comes him back, what
Speaker 1: happens then? What do you think the guys do? Well,
Speaker 1: that's a good question because Robert Quinn's coming back next
Speaker 1: week from suspension and somebody's going to have to be
Speaker 1: moved off the roster. Maybe it's defensive end, or maybe
Speaker 1: it's a safety. Maybe if Thompson and Wilson are back,
Speaker 1: maybe Cavon Fraser's the guy. I don't know, though. You
Speaker 1: typically get a roster exemption in that situation, right like
Speaker 1: or do the early part of the week? Is that? Which? Yeah? Him? Right? Well,
Speaker 1: I'm wondering. The reason I ask is he had a
Speaker 1: broken hand, he didn't practice for the latter part of
Speaker 1: training camp, and he's been out for two weeks. So
Speaker 1: do they just plug him right back on in the
Speaker 1: fifty three the minute he gets here? That's a good question.
Speaker 1: What are the options? Well, if they get a roster exemption,
Speaker 1: they can just carry him for a week and he's
Speaker 1: allowed to be here, but he doesn't count on the
Speaker 1: fifty three. He can't suit up so he can get
Speaker 1: but he can be here. He could be here to meetings,
Speaker 1: which maybe I should ask around. I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: they got a roster exemption for Zeke. I don't know
Speaker 1: if they'll get one through. And we haven't talked much
Speaker 1: about his injured injured hand, so you know, maybe maybe
Speaker 1: the injured hand isn't quite ready, That's what I'm saying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so we'll see. I mean you didn't. I mean just
Speaker 1: judging on the fact that typically that injury is is
Speaker 1: maybe one week. I mean DeMarcus DeMarco Murray I think
Speaker 1: played with it at Smith, might have missed a game
Speaker 1: with it. But for the most part, I love that thing.
Speaker 1: Those Lando Scandricks. Was it similar where he had something
Speaker 1: with his hand? Think he has think he had a
Speaker 1: finger might mean misremembering that, but I remember he came
Speaker 1: back pretty soon and that was his injury looked nasty.
Speaker 1: I would guess. I would guess that Robert Quinn is okay,
Speaker 1: but he's still I mean, he hasn't practiced in probably
Speaker 1: a month. Yeah, so they've got to cut a defensive
Speaker 1: in there. You would think that's just too too many
Speaker 1: people there. Yeah, I mean you already have Taco and
Speaker 1: Christ and hell that's inactive. I can't imagine adding another
Speaker 1: one in there. All right, let's go ahead and take
Speaker 1: a first break. We'll come back. We'll talk about the
Speaker 1: Washington defense. Dive in a little bit about that defensive front,
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Speaker 1: Let's talk about this Washington defense, Dave, Let's break down
Speaker 1: what what what you saw as you started looking and
Speaker 1: watching their films from last week that would be applicable
Speaker 1: for this matchup versus the Cowboys. The Washington defense, or
Speaker 1: as I like to call them, the Alabama Crimson Tide
Speaker 1: because they're everywhere, are they? Yes, they have five Alabama
Speaker 1: players on their defense alone. Dron Payne, Jonathan Allen, Sean
Speaker 1: Dion Hamilton, Ryan Anderson, and Landon Collins all played for
Speaker 1: the Todd So needless to say, they got a lot
Speaker 1: of talent. They've spent a lot of lofty draft picks
Speaker 1: on their d line. Payne first round pick, a first
Speaker 1: round pick, Anderson I believe was a second It's right
Speaker 1: in front of me. I don't know why I say
Speaker 1: believe second round pick. Shaan Dion Hamilton sixth round pick.
Speaker 1: Not so much. Lannon Collins was obviously a high second
Speaker 1: round pick. He came over from the Giants. He didn't
Speaker 1: go to Alabama. But I think they might have gotten
Speaker 1: one of the steels of the draft in Montez Sweat,
Speaker 1: the Mississippi State pass rusher, arguably the best in the draft,
Speaker 1: who fell all the way to mid second round because
Speaker 1: of irregularity with his heartbeat or something like that. So
Speaker 1: they have a lot of talent and a lot of
Speaker 1: it played in the SEC. Fortunately for the Cowboys, Alan
Speaker 1: looks like he's not going to play. He sprained his
Speaker 1: mcl in that game against the Eagles, and you could
Speaker 1: tell because I thought, I mean, their run defense just
Speaker 1: kind of fell apart as soon as he left, at
Speaker 1: least by their standards. The Eagles ran for one thirty
Speaker 1: four yards per carry. Not crazy, but his front has
Speaker 1: been pretty good over the last couple of years. Like alan'scifically,
Speaker 1: I just had like he wrecked them last year in
Speaker 1: both games they won one of them, but like he
Speaker 1: was just the one man wrecking crew. So it's big
Speaker 1: that he's not going to be there. At what point
Speaker 1: in the game did did what point of the game.
Speaker 1: Did first half, second quarter? Was there a noticeable difference
Speaker 1: in their run defense from when he was in it
Speaker 1: at first to when he left? How do I want
Speaker 1: to answer that? Like, it didn't just completely, you know it,
Speaker 1: not right away, but as the game went on second
Speaker 1: half classic the Eagles are on the field for the
Speaker 1: entire thing and all of a sudden, where you hadn't
Speaker 1: been seeing it, nineteen yards, twelve yards, six yards, that's
Speaker 1: you know, classic, And it so like I said, I
Speaker 1: don't know, four yards per carry isn't some insane number,
Speaker 1: but they were just like consistently having success and a
Speaker 1: lot of it happened later in the game when Alan
Speaker 1: wasn't there. They still have talented guys. I think this
Speaker 1: is going to be a fun game to watch in
Speaker 1: the trenches. And that's really the whole thing for me,
Speaker 1: because what my big note here, I don't think their
Speaker 1: cornerbacks are good. That's what I wrote down while I
Speaker 1: was watching tape. Josh Normans still there. I think he's
Speaker 1: still a good player, but I don't think he's what
Speaker 1: he was four years ago. They have Quentin Dunbar, who's
Speaker 1: limited by a knee injury right now. He was getting
Speaker 1: torched and Landon Collins and Monte Nicholson. Landon Collins is
Speaker 1: a great player, but he's not like this coverage stud.
Speaker 1: He's box safety, he's virtual, he gets tackles for loss,
Speaker 1: he does all that stuff. But Earl Thomas he's not.
Speaker 1: So I think this is a really favorable matchup for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys passing game. But can their offensive line hold
Speaker 1: off the front seven long enough to make that happen?
Speaker 1: Because Ryan Carrigan is stud That's lyall Collins's problem to
Speaker 1: deal with. I was bringing and played yesterday with Brian
Speaker 1: and he he just pushed him like he was nothing.
Speaker 1: Elsie told me last year, He's like, that's that's like
Speaker 1: the biggest challenge I face every year. And and not
Speaker 1: trying to throw shade. He was like, like von Miller,
Speaker 1: Khalil Mack, those guys are great, but Karagan gives me
Speaker 1: fits more than they ever did, because not only is
Speaker 1: he a good pass rusher, but he's so physical and
Speaker 1: his motor is so relentless. Add him to durn Payne,
Speaker 1: who's bay I mean, like the Vince Wilfork just space eating,
Speaker 1: taken on two guys at once, cleaning things up for
Speaker 1: your linebackers. That's That's what I'm watching is how Connor
Speaker 1: Williams and Travis Frederick deal with him. I mean, Zach Martin,
Speaker 1: I don't worry about as much, but how do you
Speaker 1: deal with Duran Payne just trying to wreck the inside
Speaker 1: of your offensive line? Basically, you want me to just
Speaker 1: keep talking? Okay, Well, Brian brought us had probably talked
Speaker 1: about this on the other show. He's absolutely in love
Speaker 1: with a linebacker by the name of Cole Holcombe who
Speaker 1: is from Carolina, North Carolina. He is, he's a rookie
Speaker 1: and he started, so fifth round pick starting for a
Speaker 1: defense with this much talent on it, I understand why. Um,
Speaker 1: he was a guy Brian love coming out of college,
Speaker 1: loved him and the Cowboys. The Cowboys loved him. Ben
Speaker 1: Bloom was very sad that he was, first of all,
Speaker 1: not a cowboy, and on top of that playing in
Speaker 1: the division. He's slippery. He gets through the trash, gets
Speaker 1: through the trash, got a really high motor, never takes
Speaker 1: a playoff, finds his way to the ball. Um. No,
Speaker 1: but he is, he's a really good player. Like he
Speaker 1: gets through blocks, he gets he gets to the ball.
Speaker 1: Knife I love the word knife knife into the backfield. Um,
Speaker 1: So that's something to watch. I didn't see and it's
Speaker 1: his first game. I didn't see anything from Sweat from
Speaker 1: a pass rushing perspective, but he is a very active player,
Speaker 1: like he had he had five tackles, he got off
Speaker 1: his blocks, he stopped several runs for two and three
Speaker 1: yards instead of letting him go longer. So that's gonna
Speaker 1: be something to watch. He'll that's probably Tyrant Smith's guy,
Speaker 1: which I like that matchup a lot. I mean, he
Speaker 1: is a first round pick, but a rookie going against
Speaker 1: Tyrant give the edge to the Vet. They did only
Speaker 1: have one sack in that game, right for as much
Speaker 1: passing as the Eagles, and it was it was a
Speaker 1: long drawn out play. WinCE was like trying. I mean
Speaker 1: he stood back there then tried to step up and
Speaker 1: it was it was a guy, you know, for all
Speaker 1: the talent, it was a guy I've never heard of before.
Speaker 1: I can't even find him on the depth treat Yeah, seriously,
Speaker 1: Mackenzie Casanova. McKenzie not familiar with his worst but we
Speaker 1: got that name. Casanova. You'd better be careful. Um Landon
Speaker 1: Collins is probably always going to be down near the
Speaker 1: line loaded box. That's I mean, we talked about that
Speaker 1: when he was with the Giants. For you No, So
Speaker 1: that's my point is if I had to guess, and
Speaker 1: I'm not a coach, but like, I wonder how that
Speaker 1: And I asked to Marcus ware this last night on
Speaker 1: the Happy Hour podcast, like, after watching what Dack did
Speaker 1: in Week one, how do the Redskins respond? Because their
Speaker 1: strength is to try to play big boy football and
Speaker 1: shut down the run game. Is that what they're going
Speaker 1: to do here? Are they going to try to redirect
Speaker 1: and worry about the passing game and say, well, we'll
Speaker 1: take our chances with a lightbox and maybe Zeke is
Speaker 1: going to have some success. I can't really see that happening.
Speaker 1: I think teams are going to make the Cowboys prove
Speaker 1: that they can do that on a regular basis as
Speaker 1: they should. As they should for sure, so I expect
Speaker 1: to see Lannon Collins down there. I expect to see
Speaker 1: them really focusing on limiting the ground game. I hope
Speaker 1: that's what happens, because I think this is a favorite.
Speaker 1: Like at seeing what we saw from Cooper and Gallop
Speaker 1: and Cobb, I think this is a really favorable matchup
Speaker 1: against those cornerbacks, Like I don't think very much of them.
Speaker 1: I just don't. I was going to ask the question,
Speaker 1: what is the weakness of this defense? Is it the cornerbacks?
Speaker 1: Is it defensive backs? One game? But I wasn't in
Speaker 1: us by what I saw. And Monte Nicholson he's an
Speaker 1: active player, like they blitzed him in this game. He
Speaker 1: comes down near the line a lot too. But again, like,
Speaker 1: I'm not scared of them in terms of their coverage abilities.
Speaker 1: Either one of them, Norman Alshon Jeffrey turned him around
Speaker 1: like two or three different times. I'm just like, if
Speaker 1: that's your best corner I like Amari Cooper's odds there,
Speaker 1: and I definitely like Michael Gallops odds going against Jimmy
Speaker 1: Morland and Quentin Dunbar. Like, I think those are really
Speaker 1: favorable matchups. So let's see how the offensive line plays,
Speaker 1: because if they were as good as they were in
Speaker 1: Week one, then DAK should be just fine. Like it's
Speaker 1: where it's if Carrigan is pushing Lyle Collins back into
Speaker 1: Dak's face or if Dron Payne is just blowing up
Speaker 1: double team blocks and DAK has no time. That's where
Speaker 1: the problem comes from. Yeah, so they gave up two
Speaker 1: forty plus yard passes to DeShawn Jackson. Was that more
Speaker 1: about Deshaun Jackson speed or was it just cornerbacks were
Speaker 1: just bad Deshaun Jackson speed? Okay, Josh Norman gave both
Speaker 1: of them. I think it was the same play honestly,
Speaker 1: because they were both trips formation to the right and
Speaker 1: d jacks was in the slot and Josh Norman was
Speaker 1: like ten fifteen yards off the line and it didn't matter,
Speaker 1: like he just got behind him, which which we've seen
Speaker 1: that before. Sean Jackson is a rare breed. He is
Speaker 1: a rare breed. But like, I definitely would try that
Speaker 1: with Gallup or Cooper. I mean they're pretty fast, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're not slow, right, So and I think there's place
Speaker 1: to be made there. All right, let's go ahead and
Speaker 1: take our final break. When we come back. We got
Speaker 1: some questions rolling in from some fans. We'll get to
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Speaker 1: send it to me on Twitter at that at Derek
Speaker 1: Eagleton and we'll take those questions for you and we'll
Speaker 1: answer them here on the air. We'll be right back.
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Speaker 1: stim We didn't really talk about this coming off last
Speaker 1: week's game, but what did you guys think of Frederick
Speaker 1: in his first action back following the injury. Didn't notice him.
Speaker 1: That's great, that's a good thing, I think. So yeah, they,
Speaker 1: I mean they didn't everything they wanted to do. He
Speaker 1: wasn't sacked that. The red zone was perfect, Dak was perfect,
Speaker 1: didn't see any snaps go over his head, didn't see anything.
Speaker 1: I mean, the penalty's on him. I don't know how.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he played no. If you ask him,
Speaker 1: he probably said, oh it was it was average. But
Speaker 1: that's just him. Yeah, I completely agree with everything you
Speaker 1: just said, which we talked about it Monday. But I mean,
Speaker 1: Zack Martin has had seasons where he only got flagged twice, right,
Speaker 1: So I'm curious to see how how he builds on that, Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, will this injury, Will that be a trend
Speaker 1: because he's bothered by his back or is it just
Speaker 1: crappy luck or bad calls or I thought they got
Speaker 1: him on a tripping. I thought that was a good call,
Speaker 1: And I always get surprised when the refs see that,
Speaker 1: you know, because they zoomed in and that they saw
Speaker 1: it was a good call by the refs. But the
Speaker 1: other one was a holding palty that I'm still not
Speaker 1: sure they called it on the right guy, because I
Speaker 1: just I don't know if that was a holding on Zach.
Speaker 1: But Mickey didn't think so either. The day Mickey agrees
Speaker 1: with a call against the Cowboys will be it's pretty
Speaker 1: quiet up there. He sits behind us next to an amber,
Speaker 1: and he was quiet. I mean there was there was
Speaker 1: not He's he'll get on the officials. Oh yeah, oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, oh yeah, he will, all right, looks like
Speaker 1: a question from Jake benoist Um. He says, this Karagan
Speaker 1: versus Collins biggest matchup of this week's game. I think
Speaker 1: it is a good one. I really think it is.
Speaker 1: Uh And like I said, paying against Williams and Frederick
Speaker 1: and maybe Martin's to some degree, but yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: that's a really good left end. I think, you know, Sweat,
Speaker 1: Sweat's going to be a pretty or a hell of
Speaker 1: a good player. He should be. But I'll take Tyrn
Speaker 1: all day in that matchup in his second career NFL game.
Speaker 1: But like I said, Elsie has told me himself how
Speaker 1: much he hates going against that guy, or not that
Speaker 1: he hates it, but that it's a, you know, a
Speaker 1: tough matchup. So and that's really if Washington's going to
Speaker 1: have success, it's because Dad's not going to be comfortable.
Speaker 1: So I think it's huge. I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: what one on one matchup this is. But whoever got
Speaker 1: the responsibility of a guy like Chris Thompson. I could
Speaker 1: just see where the Redskins kind of can move the
Speaker 1: chain to keep things going. Keenham as a smart quarterback,
Speaker 1: He's gonna find, you know, a way to get the
Speaker 1: ball out to him. I don't know who that is.
Speaker 1: If it's Xavier Woods, if it's Heath, if it's the
Speaker 1: linebackers that everybody but Chris Thompson as a guy, I
Speaker 1: think it hurt him if they if they don't pay
Speaker 1: attention to him and he just sneaks out with these
Speaker 1: screens stuff like that. Yeah, I think that's one of
Speaker 1: those kind of players that always scares me in a
Speaker 1: matchup like this because they do have that ability to
Speaker 1: just kind of take something and turn into a big game.
Speaker 1: And it's it's hard sometimes to account for those guys
Speaker 1: because you know, it's not really it's not like a
Speaker 1: receiver that's gonna just line up over here, like they
Speaker 1: can move them around, they can do a lot of
Speaker 1: different things with him. They're gonna be looking to create
Speaker 1: mismatches with him and favorable matchups. So I think that's
Speaker 1: gonna that definitely is a player that I'll be watching
Speaker 1: a lot this Sunday. Say back to Kerry and I think,
Speaker 1: I mean, we've seen Dak throw well when he's on
Speaker 1: the run, so I wonder if we're gonna see him
Speaker 1: get out of the pocket and go to his left
Speaker 1: more to get kind of a way and then take
Speaker 1: extra a little bit of extra time to complete those passes.
Speaker 1: But it's gonna be interesting. Like I said, watching those
Speaker 1: plays against Lall Collins, he he makes Lyall callings look
Speaker 1: like a little kid like week in. Lyle is not weak,
Speaker 1: so we'll be We'll see how much strength he gained
Speaker 1: during this offseason. It's gonna be fun to watch. I'm
Speaker 1: sure you saw it floating around. But Pro Football Focus
Speaker 1: gave him the highest grade of any offensive lineman in
Speaker 1: the league for Week one. Yeah, and I mean that's
Speaker 1: really impressive. But we know the Giants don't have great
Speaker 1: pass rusher as well. Ryan Kerrigan's great, so if he
Speaker 1: keeps it up this week, then it says a lot.
Speaker 1: So all right, let's take a call. Actually, we got
Speaker 1: a call from Brandon in Kentucky. Brandon, what up? Hey,
Speaker 1: how you guys doing good? I'm doing pretty good. A
Speaker 1: long time listener, first time caller. Thank you. My questions
Speaker 1: kind of a future into the into the season question.
Speaker 1: I'm a big Madden player, so I'm always playing Cowboys
Speaker 1: and thinking of trades. What kind of trade could you see?
Speaker 1: Realistic trade? You could see this team making future into
Speaker 1: the into the sea. Then maybe around my week of
Speaker 1: a position that we might need to improve on. Well,
Speaker 1: thanks for the calling. Yeah, I appreciate it. I think
Speaker 1: right now, I mean, you don't want to knock on
Speaker 1: wood here, but I mean I think they're pretty good
Speaker 1: on most positions. It would have to take probably an
Speaker 1: injury or something like that and to create a void
Speaker 1: where you're like, okay, well maybe we need to go
Speaker 1: get some help. I just don't see where where you
Speaker 1: have that right now. I'm not saying this team it's perfect,
Speaker 1: but to go make a trade, it's hard to imagine.
Speaker 1: And look, it was just last year they traded for
Speaker 1: Mari So yeah, anything's possible. But it doesn't seem like
Speaker 1: they have a need that's so desperate that they can't
Speaker 1: wait unless somebody got hurt. But maybe they could offload
Speaker 1: some talent if somebody else is desperate. You know, this
Speaker 1: is a team with a lot of good offensive linemen.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to do it, but they got a
Speaker 1: lot of good cornerbacks too. I mean, Jordan Lewis has
Speaker 1: played so well. If somebody offered you something, I mean,
Speaker 1: what would what would somebody have to offer you for
Speaker 1: you to be like, okay, Jordan les third or higher. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree what he was otherwise otherwise I feel like
Speaker 1: i'd rather just And I'm even kind of no, I'm
Speaker 1: a little if you on the third, just because I
Speaker 1: am through the roof with how good he looks. And
Speaker 1: when you think about the fact that Byron's not under contract,
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown's then under contract, I don't really like the
Speaker 1: idea of getting rid of him, but somebody gets desperate
Speaker 1: and really wants him. Yeah, you always have to consider
Speaker 1: these things. It would have to give me a second, right,
Speaker 1: anything less, I kind of think I'm with you, I'll
Speaker 1: change mind. I think I would go to second just because,
Speaker 1: like again, you can never have enough good cornerbacks. We've
Speaker 1: seen seasons where it starts off where you got cornerbacks
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden a rash of injuries and
Speaker 1: then your your strap. Okay, so so what if it
Speaker 1: was for um, Anthony Brown, a third round pick for Anthony,
Speaker 1: I'd be I'd be more open to that. So that
Speaker 1: being said, then then where we're moving to the future here,
Speaker 1: when Brown's contract is going to be up here, I
Speaker 1: think you just say, hey, great pick, sixth round, good
Speaker 1: luck to you. Move on, right, Because if you're not
Speaker 1: taking anything better than a second or third for Jordan Lewis,
Speaker 1: then he's your third quarterback cornerback next year, no doubt
Speaker 1: about it. You can hopefully you get a comp pick
Speaker 1: of some time, some type for Anthony Brown if he
Speaker 1: doesn't resign here. It might not be a third, it
Speaker 1: would have I can't imagine him signing that big of
Speaker 1: a contract. But maybe a fifth yeah, yeah, extra fifth
Speaker 1: round pick, but it would have to be something that
Speaker 1: blew my socks off for any of them. I like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I like the again right now, cornerback. I wouldn't mess
Speaker 1: with that. We have. We've already discussed the possibility of
Speaker 1: trading Taco. I don't think you would get a big
Speaker 1: price for him, but that's just about clear him spot.
Speaker 1: No for sure, No, it could happen. It sounds it
Speaker 1: doesn't look like they're like obviously to make him a
Speaker 1: healthy scratch. And when Robert Quinn comes back to me,
Speaker 1: he's the one that has the bulls eye. And if
Speaker 1: you can get a six or seventh round pick for
Speaker 1: a guy that just doesn't seem like he just fits
Speaker 1: for you, then why not. The Patriots got a sixth
Speaker 1: round pick for a guy that they had already cut,
Speaker 1: like they cut to Marius Thomas. They're like, okay, we'll
Speaker 1: bring you back. You're a vested veteran. And then they
Speaker 1: got a sixth round pick for it a week later,
Speaker 1: so that would be nice. Yeah, all right, let's take
Speaker 1: a call from Trey in Mississippi. Tray, what up? Hey,
Speaker 1: how you guys doing today. I'm glad to be back
Speaker 1: listening to the award winning Cowboys break. So I see
Speaker 1: a lot of fans kind of down about tony apology usage,
Speaker 1: and I think that they're saving that package or his
Speaker 1: package until we really need it. They're going to see
Speaker 1: how far we can get with just running what we're
Speaker 1: running and try to save some of those wrinkles because
Speaker 1: it's marathon, not a spraint, of course. And I kind
Speaker 1: of feel the same about the D line. We didn't
Speaker 1: get a lot of pressure last week, but correct me
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong. It seemed like as we got our
Speaker 1: handle on the game, they kind of went a little
Speaker 1: more Vanua and we're kind of just like, you beat
Speaker 1: your man, you beat your man. We'll save these exotic
Speaker 1: blitzes until we need them. Played her own in the season,
Speaker 1: so we don't put all this on tape so far,
Speaker 1: I'd just like to hear what you guys think about that.
Speaker 1: Hoping for a good win against Washington this league. All right,
Speaker 1: thanks for the call. I'll take the Pollard stuff. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, the first drive of the game was three
Speaker 1: and out maybe or they had to punt, and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden they scored five in a row,
Speaker 1: and after that the whole game's difference thirty five to ten.
Speaker 1: And I mean, so what point. I just don't understand
Speaker 1: the Pollard stuff. I mean, that's just like, oh, man,
Speaker 1: I wanted everything to be perfect because there really wasn't
Speaker 1: opportunities to kind of show that stuff. You didn't need it.
Speaker 1: You scored five touchdowns in a row, and when he
Speaker 1: did get in the game differently, they were running it
Speaker 1: up the middle and that's not his game, especially with
Speaker 1: some of the guys you know, backing up. So I
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't Yeah, that may be saving it,
Speaker 1: but just at what point did they, like, man, why
Speaker 1: isn't Pollard involved? I mean, they did anything they wanted
Speaker 1: to do. Well. I didn't take the impression that at
Speaker 1: the call I was saying that the fans I got
Speaker 1: the fan. Yeah, whoever is Yeah, he said people were
Speaker 1: upset that Pollard didn't get used more. That's kind of irrelevant,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I agree. I kind of agree with him though,
Speaker 1: that that maybe there's more that they want to do
Speaker 1: with him that they didn't necessarily need to do in
Speaker 1: this game. Um, And also they were having it they
Speaker 1: were really trying to, you know, not overuse Zeke as well.
Speaker 1: So he probably got a lot more reps at running
Speaker 1: back than he will get. I would assume as we're
Speaker 1: five six weeks into the season, barring an injury, he's
Speaker 1: gonna get maybe half that number of reps at running back,
Speaker 1: I would guess, right, would you guys agree with that? Zeke? Yeah? No, no, Pollard, Like,
Speaker 1: they won't be splitting carries. It won't be thirteen and thirteen, right, No,
Speaker 1: So so there's other things. I would assume that they're
Speaker 1: going to other ways that they will work him into
Speaker 1: the games. And I assume there are more of those
Speaker 1: kinds of things that are to come down the road.
Speaker 1: I would hope, And I just said, I mean, if
Speaker 1: he was healthy, I think Tavon would do more of
Speaker 1: that stuff right now, but hopefully it will incrementally increase
Speaker 1: as he gets more more comfortable. Um, I mean, I
Speaker 1: hate to disappoint the collar. Like Rod, Marinelli has never
Speaker 1: been known for exotic blitzes. I mean maybe, I mean
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith and Layton vander Escher gunna blitz from time
Speaker 1: to time. I don't think he's saving any This isn't
Speaker 1: Rob Ryan where people are blitzing from eight different spots.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's never been Rod's thing. But I do,
Speaker 1: like I said, I think you get to thirty five
Speaker 1: ten in the second half and you're like, all right,
Speaker 1: we're basically sort of going to play prevent and just
Speaker 1: make sure we're not giving up sixtyr plays and the
Speaker 1: stats are skewed because of that. It's not an excuse.
Speaker 1: They do need to play better. They allowed way too
Speaker 1: much to their run. But yeah, like, I don't think
Speaker 1: that we're trying to save anything. I don't think you
Speaker 1: go into a game with all your plays they're lined
Speaker 1: up and thinking, oh, no, well we're gonna save this
Speaker 1: for well, no, not going into the game. But once
Speaker 1: you take a thirty five to ten lead in the
Speaker 1: third quarter, you're not gonna be You're just not going
Speaker 1: to play the game the same way what I mean
Speaker 1: at that point, you're basically done what you were gonna do.
Speaker 1: You know. Well, I will say this though after the game,
Speaker 1: when when the media was interviewing Kellen Moore, um, he
Speaker 1: actually did say that. He said, you know, there were
Speaker 1: some things that we didn't have to show today that
Speaker 1: we ended up being able to say for for later. Yeah. Right.
Speaker 1: But my point, my point is just there there's schematic
Speaker 1: things that that maybe they didn't have to show because
Speaker 1: they were able to use a certain part of their
Speaker 1: playbook and and still be able to get success. And
Speaker 1: it didn't make them have to go through every it
Speaker 1: didn't make him have to show everything that they're able
Speaker 1: to do. And that's just the nature of how you
Speaker 1: organize these games, like it's all based upon the matchup.
Speaker 1: You go into a game of a matchup, your playbook
Speaker 1: may be a big, huge book and you may take
Speaker 1: you know, a quarter of that and say, we think, schematically,
Speaker 1: based on what we see this defense doing, these are
Speaker 1: the kind of plays that we think we're going to
Speaker 1: be using and what we're going to do to try
Speaker 1: to affect them, and the rest of our playbook. We
Speaker 1: know what our players know, what we can use it
Speaker 1: if we need to, but we don't think that's probably
Speaker 1: going to be a part of this particular game plan.
Speaker 1: I wish I and it would it would never happen
Speaker 1: like in the media, like m Moore, it's never gonna
Speaker 1: let me report on that, But like I would love
Speaker 1: to get a detailed understanding of the way that all works,
Speaker 1: because he, like I fans don't understand it. I definitely
Speaker 1: don't understand the whole thing. But like Kellen Moore said
Speaker 1: something on Sunday that really struck me, where he was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that play was one of our openers. You know, we
Speaker 1: designated it as something for the opening of the game,
Speaker 1: and we didn't get to it until like the third quarter.
Speaker 1: And I'm just like, that's fascinating that, like you're making
Speaker 1: these decisions just based on the looks you're seeing on
Speaker 1: the field, and and ninety nine point nine percent of
Speaker 1: us really can't even grasp that completely. You know. I
Speaker 1: wish I would love to talk to him for like
Speaker 1: five hours about how all that works. Yeah, but again,
Speaker 1: like why would he put that in the media. They
Speaker 1: would let us do that, But that would be a
Speaker 1: great it would be a great, great video just to
Speaker 1: be able to dive a little deeper into how that
Speaker 1: all works. Yeah, I would be fascinated by it as well.
Speaker 1: All right, guys, appreciate you Jonas. We're back tomorrow. We'll
Speaker 1: get you guys ready for this game. We're gonna tell
Speaker 1: you who's gonna win. Nick will give you his predictions
Speaker 1: for the game. Dave will tell you what the score
Speaker 1: is going to be in Amber will I don't know,
Speaker 1: Maybe do both? How about that? Just sitting Here's tomorrow
Speaker 1: gonna be your first one where you pick both teams
Speaker 1: or you're gonna wait and do that. I've never done
Speaker 1: that before. Okay, I just don't like choosing a score.
Speaker 1: I must be misremembering. I feel like I feel like
Speaker 1: she picked both teams to win at least once. Last year.
Speaker 1: We all picked the Giants last week, right, Yeah, that'll
Speaker 1: be the question. Tomorrow. We'll get a foursome that will
Speaker 1: pick the Redskins. Let me pick the Cowboys over the Redskins.
Speaker 1: That'll be nobody picked the Giants, so you said no,
Speaker 1: we all got I'm sorry, we all picked the Cowboys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: last year with the yes. So we'll be interesting tomorrow
Speaker 1: to see if we get anybody to jump off picking
Speaker 1: the Redskins to win the game. You didn't have to
Speaker 1: say that, you give it away. I mean it's fine.
Speaker 1: I mean that's pretty obvious. I don't think anybody here
Speaker 1: cornerbacks are bad. Bad. Everything me look at defense isn't bad.
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