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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of the

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Speaker 1: Weekly Zeitgeist. Uh. These are some of our favorite segments

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Speaker 1: from this week, all edited together into one NonStop infotainment

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Speaker 1: laugh stravaganza. Uh yeah. So, without further ado, here is

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Speaker 1: the Weekly Zeitgeist. We are thrilled Miles fortunate, blessed to

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Speaker 1: be joined by one of the funniest stand up comics

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Speaker 1: in the world or Comedy Central presents of the classic Uh.

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Speaker 1: She was voted Portland's Funniest comic multiple times. You know

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Speaker 1: her from Last Company Standing, her own podcast, Who's Your God?

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Speaker 1: And you can see her live again check her website

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Speaker 1: for Dave. Please welcome Amy Miller wife and it's my

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Speaker 1: birth Here's what I want? Hey, guys, what do you

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Speaker 1: want for your birthday? You have a good What's your birthday?

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Speaker 1: December thirty one, New Year's Eve? Baby? So this one?

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Speaker 1: Did you have a kind of birthday this time or

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Speaker 1: you think this is this next year? No? Well I

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Speaker 1: had it was my forty birthday this last one. And

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Speaker 1: my friends made me accounting Crows video. I mean a

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Speaker 1: bunch of my friends sang long December and cut it

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Speaker 1: together and I watched I was alone in a hotel room,

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Speaker 1: but I had a zoom party. It was weird but fun.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's something I'm never going to forget for sure.

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Speaker 1: Did anybody have Adam Durwitz dreads in the video? Okay, yes,

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Speaker 1: one person did, and I think it was probably not

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Speaker 1: okay because it was a white man. He did like

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Speaker 1: he like, he didn't wear them, you know, he did

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Speaker 1: it with a computer. But then they were you're imitating

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Speaker 1: of the problematic Adam Derwitz. You're honoring the source material.

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Speaker 1: Unless he was like, no, I mean I've been growing.

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Speaker 1: You say. They tried to contact him many times because

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Speaker 1: for a birthday message or to be in the video,

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Speaker 1: because you know, we're all from the East Bay, so

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Speaker 1: like they did have connections they could call in. And

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Speaker 1: then he didn't respond. And then someone was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: he's on cameo, so we can just pay him bucks,

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Speaker 1: and so he made a cameo fort and he said,

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Speaker 1: please stop having your friends contact my dad. I didn't

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Speaker 1: know about any of it. That's amazing. Yeah, it was

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Speaker 1: a weird birthday. But is it just because you guys

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Speaker 1: share kind of area of origin or are you a

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Speaker 1: big can of crows? Yes? I am a pretty big

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Speaker 1: crow head um. Also, it was just it was just

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Speaker 1: funny because yeah, we're all from like we all met

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Speaker 1: in Berkeley where he's from, and you know, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: it's long December. It's a classic about number and how

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Speaker 1: things are going to be better next year. Like it was,

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Speaker 1: it was just amazing. I'll send you the video. You're

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Speaker 1: gonna be blown away by the effort. I mean I

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Speaker 1: felt very loved, that's for sure. So you are the

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Speaker 1: opposite of the baby like those first baby born, like

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Speaker 1: you are the last baby born. Yeah. Yeah, I was

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Speaker 1: born at like six am, so I don't think my

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Speaker 1: mom could have waited until the new year. Where are

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Speaker 1: your headlines? You know where the headlines for the six

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Speaker 1: am on December thirty one babies? I know, I think

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Speaker 1: the headline should be that my mom lived in the

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Speaker 1: East Bay and got a doctor in San Francisco, so

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Speaker 1: I was officially born in San Francisco. Why would you do?

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Speaker 1: Why would you plan to cross the bridge when you're

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Speaker 1: in labor, That's what I don't understand. What if there's traffic,

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Speaker 1: I won't even say it. Yeah, if I had been

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Speaker 1: then they're singing a different song for you East Bay Band. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what is something from your search history that's revealing about

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Speaker 1: who you are? Well? I have one from last night,

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Speaker 1: like very strict quarantine where I'm bored. But this is

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Speaker 1: something you could find in my search history on any

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Speaker 1: given night, which is I recently did search Roddy Piper,

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Speaker 1: Greg the Hammer, Valentine dog collar match, so I wanted

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Speaker 1: find a full video of the dog collar match. I

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Speaker 1: didn't search to your because I actually found an oral

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Speaker 1: history of the three Greg Hammer, Greg the Hammer, Valentine

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Speaker 1: a very bloody wrestling match from three. I don't stand

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Speaker 1: by that. What what is a dog color match for

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Speaker 1: our listeners who are uninitiated all color match? I don't

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Speaker 1: know if it was a thing that pre existed these guys,

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Speaker 1: but they would do this match where they both put

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Speaker 1: connected neck to neck via these chains. Yeah, it just

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Speaker 1: I was reading last night, I didn't realize there's this

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Speaker 1: my match forty times that year, and they both talked

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Speaker 1: to like talking about how like I think Roddy pipers

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Speaker 1: all this, oh, this insanity that these wrestlers put us

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Speaker 1: through back then, you think back in those days two

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Speaker 1: when you're like this was not like this is like

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Speaker 1: pre Hogan becoming like pop cults are superstar. This was

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Speaker 1: for them, Like, all right, I guess we gotta go

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Speaker 1: like entertain the southern half of Louisiana by ripping our

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Speaker 1: ears off. Tonight. Next week, I guess we'll be up

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Speaker 1: in Almaha ripping our other ear off. Maybe only wrap

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Speaker 1: the chain like three times around my face this time

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Speaker 1: before you rip it off. Yeah, can you maybe take

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Speaker 1: out my teeth? My ears are still healing for my teeth.

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Speaker 1: The photos look pretty erotic, though when you look at

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Speaker 1: the still images, you're like, WHOA, Okay, I see what's

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Speaker 1: going on here. Ww it is pro wrestling. There's there's

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Speaker 1: always going to be some homoraticism inheriting. Some fans might

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Speaker 1: it is. Yeah, I feel like wrestling back then was

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Speaker 1: it wasn't It wasn't on T N T like that

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Speaker 1: this isn't this is an exhibition? And I was like,

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Speaker 1: what they do this all the time, like almost killed themselves. Cool.

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Speaker 1: I'm really fascinated to back in those days when it

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Speaker 1: in southern California and hated Roddy Piper. Roddy Piper was

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Speaker 1: like the biggest asshole, the enemy of the Guerrero family.

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Speaker 1: Rowdie Piper and John was ready to like boo his

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Speaker 1: guy hee'll anti Mexican rants, and then up in Portland

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Speaker 1: you are like a beloved hero pillar of the community.

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Speaker 1: They love you. It's not even that far away. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they might not have had to change the storyline that much,

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Speaker 1: been interested to hear talk about kind of regionalisms. I

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Speaker 1: me fascinated. That site is pretty pretty incredible. I worked

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Speaker 1: for them for anyone who know. That's a magazine about

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Speaker 1: ever have. It. It's called Weird New Jersey. Yeah, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And it started out as a fanzine and it just

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Speaker 1: If you've been to like a Bars and Noble, you

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Speaker 1: called Weird New York, and then they did Weird Us

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Speaker 1: where they were going to see some punk show in

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Speaker 1: a place called Brown's Mills, New Jersey, which is we

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Speaker 1: like this South Jersey. I'm was that to see still

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Speaker 1: certain friends in my life where if I want to

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Speaker 1: make him laugh, I just how do you get to

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Speaker 1: Brown's Mills? What is something you guys think is overrated?

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Speaker 1: This is actually what we were prepared for this question ship.

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Speaker 1: I did have one actually thought about last night. I

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Speaker 1: did not tell you though, Oh damn. But hopefully you

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Speaker 1: agree with this. Okay, picnics because is I mean every

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Speaker 1: in history or esoteric kind of trends in history do

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Speaker 1: you think are kind of underrated in terms of understanding

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Speaker 1: the current zeitgeist and kind of modern America. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: there's a ton, but like, yeah, anyone that sticks up. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's an interesting question. I mean, you know, I I

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Speaker 1: try and be open. You know, part of this is

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Speaker 1: like you bring a lens of your own. And so

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Speaker 1: I'm one of these people who often I kind of

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Speaker 1: feel like every story is a media story, and so,

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Speaker 1: you know, I just feel like in every conversation we have,

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Speaker 1: at some point it comes down to just the like

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Speaker 1: radical transformation in media that goes back further than maybe

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Speaker 1: you know, Fox News came around in the early two

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Speaker 1: thousands or in the in the nineties, but you know,

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Speaker 1: you um and my co host Nicolehammer Studies wrote it

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Speaker 1: the numb an amazing book called Messengers on the Right

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Speaker 1: wrote a you know, and and studies a lot. How

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Speaker 1: especially the GOP came to really um radicalize around new

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Speaker 1: media in the you know, sixties, seventies, eighties, and nineties.

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Speaker 1: But that's that's the kind of thing that I always

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Speaker 1: I feel like, it doesn't get it doesn't get rated properly.

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Speaker 1: It's just the way in which we've just been fractured

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Speaker 1: intentionally by changing media landscape. So there's just all sorts

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Speaker 1: of stories of people who were doing stuff in the

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Speaker 1: fifties and sixties and seventies where you're like, oh, that's

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Speaker 1: the blueprint that we're just seeing right now. You know,

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Speaker 1: Facebook's just Facebook's just the latest iteration of of you know,

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Speaker 1: the way in which took all the breaks off. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean it was interesting. Jillapoor on your most recent

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Speaker 1: episode was talking about how the current culture wars are

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Speaker 1: basically the modern like leftovers from the Cold War and

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Speaker 1: not the leftovers, but no, it's basically they kept the

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Speaker 1: Cold War going by attacking left wind politics within America. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I had I actually, you know, when she said that,

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Speaker 1: it was the first time I've ever heard anyone really

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Speaker 1: frame it that went and a few people, i mean like,

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Speaker 1: you know, but basically she said, you know, and this

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Speaker 1: is the billions of Jillaport was just to sort of

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Speaker 1: like tossed off comment, but she was like, you know,

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Speaker 1: when we quote unquote won the Cold War, all the

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Speaker 1: moves were still there, and so we just turned those

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Speaker 1: inwards and we started fighting the Cold War with each other.

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Speaker 1: And I was like, oh right, yes, that makes sense.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, it was. It was a very good insight. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: very cool. All right, Well, we're going to take a

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Speaker 1: quick break and we'll come back and talk about culture

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Speaker 1: wars and we're back. And the Biden administration has been

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Speaker 1: a little strange for the lack of kind of scandals

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Speaker 1: coming from the right, like they I haven't heard about

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Speaker 1: him wearing a the wrong suit to anything the way

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Speaker 1: that we we did when Obama was empowered. The you know,

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Speaker 1: Fox News just could bring up anything about him and

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Speaker 1: like their majority racist viewership was just ready to hate him.

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Speaker 1: But Biden looks exactly like their majority racist viewership. So

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Speaker 1: now they and I think also his policies are pretty popular,

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Speaker 1: right well, yeah, I mean they don't remember they didn't

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Speaker 1: want to talk about the stimulus because you're like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I need money from the government, are you kidding me?

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Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not working right now. So they're like,

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Speaker 1: talk about Mr potato Head. Now they have to talk

485
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Speaker 1: about Mr potato Head. Dr Seuss. And the big one

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Speaker 1: these days isn't now critical race theory. Yeah, and it's

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Speaker 1: it's it's completely like like you said, it's we're in

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Speaker 1: a whole new environment where they can't even focus on

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Speaker 1: even the low hanging fruit, which would be like, what

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Speaker 1: is Joe Biden actually done from his campaign promises? Because

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Speaker 1: I would if you're looking for something to be critical of,

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Speaker 1: that's something you could go down the list and like, well,

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Speaker 1: where is that student debt relief where was that that

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Speaker 1: weird math where certainly turned into a different amount of

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Speaker 1: stimulus money. But now it's critical race theory. And we've

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Speaker 1: talked about before how this has been a conscious effort

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Speaker 1: to create this like outrage over it. And the numbers

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Speaker 1: I think are starting to show that this is very clear.

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Speaker 1: Fox News mentioned critical race theory five dred fifty two

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Speaker 1: times in the previous eleven months, and then it ramped

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Speaker 1: up in the last three which there's another number that's

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Speaker 1: like over six hundred, and it's only gotten more and more.

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Speaker 1: Last week they've shoehorned it into coverage one d times

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Speaker 1: in five days. And then so then you see we

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Speaker 1: we've seen all their coverage or a lot of coverage

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Speaker 1: in the media of this has been you know, people

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Speaker 1: in Florida or Texas, like governors and legislators trying to

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Speaker 1: be like, we gotta stop teaching this, or like scenes

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Speaker 1: of like outraged like racist parents at these school board

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Speaker 1: meetings being like, don't teach them history. What is this?

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Speaker 1: It's destroying us? And yeah, the biggest thing that's just

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Speaker 1: the biggest miss of all of this, at least in

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Speaker 1: the reporting, is that first of all, it's a decades's

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Speaker 1: old academic discipline. But on top of it, this is

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Speaker 1: hot at the graduate level, Like when you are in university,

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Speaker 1: this isn't we didn't grow up with, Like alright, kids,

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Speaker 1: and now open up your critical race theory books is

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Speaker 1: like first graders. So all of the energy is completely misplaced.

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Speaker 1: And this is all by design because they just need

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Speaker 1: this catch all outraged topic to get people sort of,

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Speaker 1: they just need an energy to exploit. And yeah, I

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Speaker 1: think the more you you hear what how people talk

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Speaker 1: about it, You're like, do they even know what this is?

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Speaker 1: Or this is just the new dog whistle that can

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Speaker 1: play a bunch of different tunes, right, didn't like one

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Speaker 1: of them was one of the conservative politicians was asked

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Speaker 1: to describe, like what critical race theory is and the

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Speaker 1: person whose last name is Pringle appropriately enough. It basically

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Speaker 1: teaches that certain children are inherently bad people because of

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Speaker 1: the color of their skin. Period. H that's a lot

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Speaker 1: to unpack these people whose perspective, these people when they

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Speaker 1: were doing the training programs and the government, if you

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Speaker 1: don't buy into what they taught you, they sent your

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Speaker 1: way to a re education camp. Huh, what do you

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Speaker 1: mean the white male executives are sent to a three

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Speaker 1: day re education camp where they were told that their

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Speaker 1: white male culture wasn't there. Okay, let's just let's are

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Speaker 1: you okay? Because this is like just hearing that in

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Speaker 1: the in the wake of the uprisings last summer, there

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Speaker 1: were companies saying like, we need racial sensitivity training because

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Speaker 1: they're clear blind spots from a corporate culture that needs

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Speaker 1: to be addressed. And then this is now turned into

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Speaker 1: they're what they're fucking Their heads are bagged and they're

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Speaker 1: thrown into a fucking van and then driven like the

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Speaker 1: dark side of town for like how their eyes peeled

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Speaker 1: open to watch like a bunch of a rap video.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what the funk they think this is.

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Speaker 1: And it goes on still like the other like attacks.

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Speaker 1: Are people saying, quote, minority students are going to suffer

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Speaker 1: the most from this. When you teach students that the

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Speaker 1: system is against them, they have no motivation to learn.

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Speaker 1: They are not going to try to work, They are

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Speaker 1: not going to try to improve themselves. Seinfeld was doing

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Speaker 1: that part, what are you talking about? You even I'm

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Speaker 1: going to improve themselves? He says, I mean this whole

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Speaker 1: idea that it's like, oh, thank you the savior person

557
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Speaker 1: for saving me from being defeated by acknowledging that I'm

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Speaker 1: surviving in a racist construct, Like what what exactly is

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Speaker 1: the concern there? And I think this has been going

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Speaker 1: it's it's just gaining more and more momentum. But I

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Speaker 1: think this is the part where you really see what

562
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Speaker 1: it's all about, because underneath it, it's just like the

563
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Speaker 1: other threats are that it will lead kids to Marxism.

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Speaker 1: And this is the last thing that this guy Pringles said.

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Speaker 1: He said, quote, this is still the greatest country that

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Speaker 1: ever ever been in the his street of the world. Okay,

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Speaker 1: and the radical left is trying to destroy that and

568
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Speaker 1: tear us apart and divide this country based on racing class,

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Speaker 1: which is exactly what they do in communist countries. Um,

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Speaker 1: I don't, so you don't, So you don't know what

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00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: communism is either, Okay? Cool? God damn. They love comparing

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Speaker 1: things to like concentration camps, and like just implying, did

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Speaker 1: you see that what's her face, Marjorie whatever? Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: was just gonna say, like as one of them is

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Speaker 1: apologizing for comparing masks to uh yeah, she's like I

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Speaker 1: had like, was she not forty years to go to

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Speaker 1: a Holocaust museum? Like, yeah, have you not taught that?

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Speaker 1: Was she not taught that? And this is why we

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Speaker 1: need better education because she didn't know what the Holocaust was.

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Speaker 1: And then like y'all I was just in that museum.

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Speaker 1: She literally said, hey, it happened, Like are you what?

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Speaker 1: Where's the just son know, I saw this. I saw

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Speaker 1: this TikTok the other day for this like Republican lady

584
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Speaker 1: was complaining about the Quaker oats guy on the canister

585
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: and was like, if we're gonna change anti mimah, we

586
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Speaker 1: should get rid of this slave owner on the this

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Speaker 1: can of votes. And like someone was like, that's not

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Speaker 1: a slave owner. That's a Quaker. That's a completely different

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Speaker 1: that's not a slave owner. You know, just no one

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Speaker 1: knows what they're talking about, right, Yeah, I mean, and

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Speaker 1: I think even with that Marjorie Taylor Green comment, it's

592
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Speaker 1: like it just shows you how much of a threat

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Speaker 1: these kinds of people are when this is their worldview,

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Speaker 1: and then they enter the halls of Congress too, you know,

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Speaker 1: drum up legislation that is trying to reinforce their worldview,

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Speaker 1: where maybe the Holocaust. I don't know, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Were you there, Yeah, exactly, that's like her. So I

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Speaker 1: went to like a shitty public school in Michigan, and

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Speaker 1: I know about the Holocaust, like at the very least, right,

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Speaker 1: we didn't have parents at home that we're saying, you know,

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Speaker 1: it didn't happening. Because in eighth grade we took a

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Speaker 1: trip to d C. I may have told the story

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Speaker 1: before before we're going into the Holocaust Museum. Our teachers

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Speaker 1: before we got off the bus said hey, I just

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Speaker 1: want to let you know we got a letter from

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Speaker 1: a parent that said that the Holocaust never happened and

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Speaker 1: that they didn't want they didn't want your classmate in

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Speaker 1: to go to this museum. I just want to let

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Speaker 1: all of you know. I'm not going to say who

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Speaker 1: it is, but I just want to let you know

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Speaker 1: that there are people who are going to deny what

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Speaker 1: all of the things you are about to see in

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Speaker 1: this museum. And it was really a pointed. It was

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Speaker 1: like it was like everyone's like, yo, what the funk?

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Speaker 1: And I'm growing in l A were like we saw

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Speaker 1: Schimler's List, it was best picture. But like then we

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Speaker 1: go in and that was sort of wold. That was

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Speaker 1: my first time even hearing that. People were like, what

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Speaker 1: do you but that ship happened, Like what are you

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Speaker 1: talking for that? I don't know about holocaust and ires

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Speaker 1: until maybe like ten years ago. I had no idea

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Speaker 1: it was a thing, right, Yeah, all right, very cool,

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Speaker 1: cool time. Marjorie Taylor Green. All right, let's talk about

624
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Speaker 1: Hunts four leaks. This this is just a story we

625
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Speaker 1: see all the time. We kind of got a taste

626
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Speaker 1: for it during the Trump administration when like a story

627
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Speaker 1: would come out that was based on a leak or

628
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: a whistleblower, and then we would get to hear about

629
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Speaker 1: like Trump kind of trying to ferret out the leak,

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Speaker 1: and also he would tweet, he would give us like

631
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Speaker 1: a live look into window into his brain as he

632
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Speaker 1: like was being furious about it. And then we kind

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Speaker 1: of learned that you think that, like reporters were like,

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Speaker 1: you think this is bad, Obama was like worse. He

635
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Speaker 1: like was really aggressive about going after anybody you leaked,

636
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Speaker 1: just like digging through their emails and ship. And now

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Speaker 1: that is a big part of the story about you know,

638
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: the pro publican story that we just talked about earlier

639
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: last week where they leaked the tax records of individual billionaires.

640
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 1: You know, they instead of it being like, here are

641
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: fifty anonymous people who are the richest in America, they

642
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: were like, no, you get to see who these people are,

643
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: because that is how we understand stories, is like via

644
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: these characters, and like they are making themselves celebrities. So

645
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 1: we are going to use that to, uh make our point.

646
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,479
Speaker 1: And I think it was really important reporting. And now

647
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 1: the story that's being told in the mainstream is like

648
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 1: they're hunting down the leaker. Uh, the I r. S

649
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 1: Has like referred it to the FBI, And I don't know,

650
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 1: just generally in reality, when you accuse someone of something

651
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: and their responses who told you that and then making

652
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: the entire argument about who told you that, um, that's

653
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: usually like a pretty good sign that that person is

654
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 1: doing something wrong. What you heard is accurate. But for

655
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,320
Speaker 1: some reason, unless it's being done by the Trump administration,

656
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 1: this hasn't really hit our brains as like an evil

657
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 1: thing that becomes like the focus of our attention. I

658
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 1: think that it's also like a lot of these billionaires

659
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: must be mad at certain other billionaires because they're not

660
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: even I can't help, but feel like there's something to

661
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: be said for like Elon Musk is gonna host SNL

662
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,760
Speaker 1: and then Jeff Bezos is gonna announce he's launching himself

663
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: into space. Oh yeah, like yeah, there's very little sympathy

664
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: for me right now about these people's privacy rights. If

665
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: I'm being honest, like, it's gonna be hard for me

666
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: to go like, well, I would hate it if my

667
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 1: tax in fall got out there, Like yeah, but I

668
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,879
Speaker 1: also don't, you know, dominate the American economy and fight

669
00:36:54,040 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 1: unionization and launched myself into orbit like it it. I

670
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 1: don't do that either, So yeah, I'm not gonna worry

671
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 1: too much about how who leaked that, you know, but

672
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 1: I bet that you got like Warren Buffetts sitting around

673
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: going like I play it cool. I shouldn't think a

674
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 1: lot of these people spend a lot of time and

675
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 1: money staying directly out of the spotlight. That makes it

676
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 1: um so enjoyable to want them to get taken down.

677
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:23,879
Speaker 1: They'd prefer we didn't know this. They must be looking

678
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: at Elon going get the funk off a live TV.

679
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 1: What's wrong with you? Stay off making it hot for

680
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: the rest of the drug dealers essentially exactly that is.

681
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: It is interesting, it's kind of become a new strategy

682
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: of like like billionaires used to I guess they didn't

683
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 1: used to lay alow. They used to like buy colleges

684
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,959
Speaker 1: and name them after themselves. So they've always liked having

685
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 1: their name out there. But it's it's just seems like

686
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: the trying to like chase celebrity, probably like having more

687
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,879
Speaker 1: PR dollars spent on their own like personal image than

688
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 1: most companies. I'm sure. Like that seems to be a

689
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,800
Speaker 1: new a new angle. And the thing that they've arrived

690
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: on is go to space. Man. People people think that

691
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 1: ship's cool. And at least the college is like I'll

692
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: put my name on this thing and other people go

693
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 1: and learn there and then learn, like you know, like

694
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: these billionaire industrialists back in the day where it's like

695
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna build Grand Central Station because I want i

696
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: want my city's train station to be better than anybody.

697
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 1: It's like it's just still building a public service thing.

698
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,320
Speaker 1: It's like, dude, you're just gonna go like read que

699
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:33,879
Speaker 1: cards on NBC television and smirk about it and none

700
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: of us are even sure how much of what you

701
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:39,439
Speaker 1: do is real? Man, Like, Yeah, I'm not gonna feel

702
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: too bad when somebody's like, check out the dirt I

703
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: got on these people. It's hitting a breaking point, you know,

704
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: and it's it's actually just really scary because it's like

705
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 1: they're going to go after the leakers, but it's not

706
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,439
Speaker 1: like anything changed after the Panama papers either, And it's

707
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: just you's gotta sitting in you wonder. Oh, it's like

708
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: it really, it really does feel like this is not

709
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 1: going to change. They're not going to opped out of this,

710
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: like it's gonna need to be taken away from them.

711
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: And that's what you're talking about, like, oh, is there

712
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 1: gonna have to be like an actual like revolution against

713
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: billionaires because it seems like they're getting a lot of

714
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 1: chances to go at least put in a token effort

715
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 1: to give some of this stuff back. You know. It

716
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 1: feels that way. And I think until like culturally we

717
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 1: we shift away from just being like, oh, having a

718
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: lot of money is good and cool, it will always

719
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: have like this love affair with like people who like

720
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: have just could you imagine that's so cool? We have

721
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 1: so much money, like you don't even know what to

722
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 1: do with it. And I think slowly, I think more

723
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,280
Speaker 1: and more look more and more people look at billionaires

724
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:42,320
Speaker 1: and go, no, there, that's that's bad. This they're hoarding

725
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 1: the wealth. And that's why there's a lot of people

726
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: are lacking is because these people a don't pay their

727
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: fair share and they're just concentrating all their wealth off

728
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: of the backs of the people that work for them. Um.

729
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 1: And I think until we can like shift cultured for

730
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: like a billionaire or a millionaire, you know, some like

731
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: hyper wealthy person to show up like on a screen

732
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 1: and a sitcom and people don't go, oh whoa for right, boo,

733
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: oh my god, it's a fucking evil doer like that,

734
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 1: that's I think the important shift that has to take

735
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: place at some point at least a popular culture. I

736
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: feel like some of these guys are really starting to

737
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: come off to me, Like if Willy Wonka didn't share

738
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: any candy, and it's like, and now you're just thrust psycho.

739
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: He's just like a psycho and crazy clothes with like

740
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,839
Speaker 1: a weird warehouse full of experiments, right, and you don't

741
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: even share the candy, like we don't even does he

742
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,399
Speaker 1: does the golden ticket thing, but he keeps them all

743
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: for himself and then just like makes a big deal

744
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 1: about how much candy he can eat. It's he's like, damn,

745
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 1: I got each one. Yeah. I mean to your point, Chris,

746
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 1: I think the the message of this leak is obviously

747
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 1: the rules are broken, right, Like it's so like there

748
00:40:55,800 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: was the CNBC segment that was embedded in one of

749
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: the articles about how like the I R. S Is

750
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: hunting these people down, and the c NBC anchor was like,

751
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 1: it's not tax evasion, it's tax avoidance. Like I don't

752
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: see what the big deal is, and like one of

753
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: the people I think it was Jim Kramer actually on

754
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 1: the panel, was like, they're gonna be mad at me,

755
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: but I'm I think these billionaires need to pay more money.

756
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 1: And they're like, what are you talking about? How are

757
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: you going to do that? They're not booking the money,

758
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: but like they just can't think beyond the Yeah, they're refusing.

759
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:35,919
Speaker 1: They suck. The rules are bad, that system is broken.

760
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: And I called him out before in a joke, but

761
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: I think Warren Buffett is the one who has gone

762
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 1: on record and said like they absolutely should change the

763
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: law so we can stop doing this and I think

764
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 1: he's been like, yeah, I do it because it's not illegal,

765
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: but it should be. League. I think it was Warren

766
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: Buffett who's been like that. Guys like if twenty of

767
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: us all, that's the thing that's so maddening for the

768
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: rest of us, right, Like, I've been very lucky. I've

769
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:03,439
Speaker 1: I've a couple of years ago, I had a couple

770
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: of years I did really well, and I have some

771
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: breathing room. Now I'm not doing as well, and I

772
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 1: sit and I stressed about that, but I'm very very lucky.

773
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: And even I sit here and I go, man, it

774
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: really is about twenty to thirty people that if they

775
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 1: just like, if they cut the ship to a degree

776
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: that they wouldn't even notice, it would take so much

777
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: stress off the rest of us. I'm not even saying

778
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 1: take I'm not even saying own up to it, to

779
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: do it to a degree that it will affect your life.

780
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: It will not affect your life. You'll only own of

781
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:38,359
Speaker 1: American commerce instead of forty three percent. That other three

782
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 1: percent will help so many other people get like braces

783
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 1: for their kids and ship Like That's what's infuriating, is

784
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: like you could find a middle ground where these assholes

785
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: are still getting away with so much and and it

786
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: erases human suffering and they don't do it. And it's

787
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 1: weird to say, but I'm like, that's for as gross

788
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 1: as like, you know, the Carnegies and and the rocket Fellers,

789
00:42:58,200 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 1: where at least they did go and build big train

790
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 1: stations for the rest of us. And was was it

791
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: so that they could like jerk themselves off in the mirror? Yeah, sure,

792
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: but they did do something for the rest of us. Yeah, absolutely.

793
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 1: But Bezos is doing something for the rest of us,

794
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 1: and that is going to space and showing us anything

795
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 1: is possible with a loan from your parents. Yeah, let's

796
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: take a quick break and we'll talk about that in

797
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 1: a second, and we're back. Let's talk about some U

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00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 1: a P. Debunking material. Uh, listener, Amanda Price, I think

799
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: other listeners had shared this podcast with us. Amanda shared

800
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 1: the time code that included the relevant interview shout out

801
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: to the lazy and disorganized. Yes, thank you, I need it, uh,

802
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: And if you could actually start the video for me,

803
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 1: that would be here. But so, I think they just

804
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: did a really good job of presentinging the information that

805
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: skeptics are trying to get across. So the videos that

806
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: they're particularly debunking are the tic TAC videos, like the

807
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: one where the people are like whoa, like we locked

808
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 1: onto it, we got it. And the person doing the

809
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: debunking is a former video game programmer who therefore has

810
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: tons of experience doing three D modeling and like so

811
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 1: has a really good sense of like perspective and like

812
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: what something would look like. And he points out that

813
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: like broadly, for the same reason that Biden Jimmy Carter

814
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 1: picture looked so wild, uh yeah, just like perspective and

815
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 1: lens distortion, that the tic TACs only look like they're

816
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: moving extremely fast. And he said that like if you

817
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: look at so if you look at all of the

818
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: information that's like contained in the video, it is actually

819
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 1: probably why up in the sky the actual tic TAC

820
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: is way up in the sky, looks like it's speeding

821
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 1: over the water. But and I think I got this right,

822
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: but I'm he I think he's saying that the horizon

823
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: of the water is actually in the foreground and the

824
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: tic TAC is like beyond it, and so as it's

825
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 1: moving slowly, it looks like it's speeding over the water,

826
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:26,320
Speaker 1: and it's it's not it's just moving, So what is

827
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: it's seeing? Then he's basically saying that it's moving the

828
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,839
Speaker 1: speed of like when you look at how high up

829
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 1: it is, that's how fast the wind moves at that level,

830
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: like with this perspective shift. And he also said it's

831
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 1: because it's a black white infrared targeting camera and this

832
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 1: it's on a black hot setting that the fact that

833
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,879
Speaker 1: it's white just means that it's extremely cold, and so

834
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 1: he's saying that it's probably and this is like the

835
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 1: standard answer for all u a p are UFOs weather balloom,

836
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 1: but like that that makes sense. It's big enough to

837
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:09,359
Speaker 1: like see at a distance to like create weird perspective

838
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 1: distortion and it would kind of look like a tic

839
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: tac at that distance. And the reason that it's like

840
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 1: kind of fucking with everybody who looks at it is

841
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: because the we're looking at it through a camera that

842
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: is extremely classified that you've never seen anything through. It's

843
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: like a targeting I think it's made by Raytheon and

844
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 1: it's like a targeting camera that is super powerful, and

845
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: we don't typically see video from those targeting cameras, so

846
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 1: it's just like not something we're used to looking at,

847
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:46,879
Speaker 1: so I you know, he he definitely presents a compelling case.

848
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Speaker 1: And so my thing is that the tic TAC has

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Speaker 1: never been the most compelling like thing for me. It's

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00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 1: more the eyewitness testimony of that fighter pilot and the

851
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Speaker 1: two fighter pilots who are in the same plane, and

852
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 1: for that their explanation just seems to be like, there

853
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Speaker 1: are people who believe in UFOs who work in the

854
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 1: military and like are lying. Basically damn, that's so we

855
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 1: got all these boring asks that we still have his

856
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 1: boring as jets and propulsion systems, and yeah, exactly. I

857
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 1: did an episode of a podcast with Jason Parjeon recently

858
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: from the executive editor from back when I was at Cracked,

859
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Speaker 1: and he's he's both interested in like paranormal stuff but

860
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: also like fully skeptical. So I was I've been like, oh,

861
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 1: we gotta get you on to like talk about the

862
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 1: tic TACs, And first of all, I didn't know what

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Speaker 1: I was talking about, but then when I further explained,

864
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 1: he was like, oh, that story is so annoying. Just

865
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: because like someone knows how to fly a plane doesn't

866
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 1: mean they're not completely full of ship, which I was

867
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:55,240
Speaker 1: like huh, I guess I can. Like he's basically saying

868
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 1: like they're there are people in the Pentagon and in

869
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 1: the Air Force who just are lying, who want to

870
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:09,919
Speaker 1: launch lying. So that's the thing that don't don't lie.

871
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 1: So that's the one thing that we can kind of

872
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 1: point to. But yeah, I don't know. I still I

873
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 1: don't think this like fully debunked it. I just think

874
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 1: it in terms of the tic TAC videos, I think

875
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:25,959
Speaker 1: it is a plausible explanation. M definitely brings my enthusiasm

876
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 1: down a little bit. But I'm also like all always,

877
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:32,839
Speaker 1: you know, always believe the truth is out there. So

878
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: that's just me. Yeah. So the thing that I kind

879
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: of objected to about the this podcast called like the

880
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 1: Skeptic podcast or something, Uh, they dismiss the people who

881
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 1: like think this stuff is interesting as just being people

882
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 1: who like want to have some inside information and like

883
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 1: seems smart, and I don't. I think that's like not

884
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 1: giving it enough credence. Like I think that's that's how

885
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: That's what I used to say when I was just

886
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 1: like assuming that like we know everything there is to know,

887
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: and uh, anything else is stupid and people need to

888
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,839
Speaker 1: shut up, like I feel like it's just too dismissive

889
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 1: and not I'm always interested in people who actively want

890
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: aliens to exist, like what why, Like I need it,

891
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:31,359
Speaker 1: I need it passionately. I have the perspective of, like

892
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 1: I'm always open to acknowledging that there's things we just

893
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,919
Speaker 1: don't know just in general. Is like a human being,

894
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 1: like that's try to have that mindset to be open

895
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 1: to like learning things and not be so like that

896
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: they're absolutes in terms of like what we can or

897
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:48,320
Speaker 1: can't know. And so yeah, So I think in those instances,

898
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, ship maybe, but I'm definitely not like,

899
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 1: come on, like I cashed out my phone one K

900
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 1: and I'm going you a V hunter or you a

901
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 1: B hunting or whatever? You a P hunting, You're not

902
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 1: University of Alabama, Birmingham exactly. I think it. I like

903
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: there's a spiritual aspect to my wanting to believe in it,

904
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 1: like the same I think it's akin to people wanting

905
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 1: to believe in gods or higher powers. Okay, so your

906
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:21,320
Speaker 1: religion is UFOs is what you're saying. I'm not saying

907
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 1: that's my religion, saying that I think there is like

908
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 1: and it's also we saw a lot of the really

909
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:35,240
Speaker 1: interest and belief in UFOs like going up as people

910
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 1: became i think less religious and went to church less

911
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:42,280
Speaker 1: and less. Like it just creates a like big, vast

912
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 1: framework for the universe. And like I could see a

913
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 1: version where, you know, if they are friendly aliens who

914
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 1: are just deciding not to kill us, which it seems

915
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:54,359
Speaker 1: like they could if they had this technology, then we

916
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 1: are on a progressive path towards being You want just

917
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 1: to believe in the universe. I want to believe in

918
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: the Star Trek version of the the universe where they're

919
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 1: just like they're not quite there yet, but like once

920
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 1: they stopped killing each other, then we can let them

921
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: into the cluss. What if we're just on a germ

922
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 1: rock that's utterly fucked. Yeah, this is big news. I

923
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 1: didn't know Jack was part of the Alien Church, and

924
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 1: it's I mean, I think it's time for you to

925
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: do my podcast. Yeah, you just want there to be

926
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 1: something more than this daily sludge. Yeah, if I'm psychoanalyzing,

927
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 1: like why I'm open to it, I think that's probably

928
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: at least part of it, your openness rather than your

929
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,439
Speaker 1: strict But you're not saying it's a strict belief. Yeah,

930
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: it's definitely not my strict belief. And I yeah, I

931
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: just think it's interesting and I think it's like I

932
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 1: used to dismiss it because of a assumption that like

933
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: we knew everything there was to know, and I just

934
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: don't think that's true. Oh no, that can't be true.

935
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 1: I mean we're very dumb as a species exactly. Yeah,

936
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 1: And I think, yeah, but that as the foundation. Then

937
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 1: you're like, if that's true, then many other things are

938
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:13,359
Speaker 1: possible if we're dumb as buck on the right, right,

939
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Speaker 1: all right, that's gonna do it for this week's weekly Zeite. Guys,

940
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Speaker 1: please like and review the show. If you like the show,

941
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 1: uh means the world to Miles. He needs your validation, folks.

942
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Speaker 1: I hope you're having a great weekend and I will

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Speaker 1: talk to him Monday. By