WEBVTT - Naked Terror 0:00:03.080 --> 0:00:05.960 Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind from how Stuff 0:00:05.960 --> 0:00:14.480 Works dot com. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. 0:00:14.520 --> 0:00:17.439 My name is Robert lamp and I'm Julie Douglas. Julie, 0:00:17.640 --> 0:00:20.880 we have talked about haunted houses before check yes and 0:00:21.000 --> 0:00:23.840 haunted houses. Of course they manipulate if they toy with 0:00:23.920 --> 0:00:27.760 our responses to sounds and sights and smells, just all 0:00:27.960 --> 0:00:31.560 just bombarking our senses with all this information. And yet 0:00:32.600 --> 0:00:34.360 there are people out there who are always thinking, what 0:00:34.400 --> 0:00:36.440 can we do differently, what can we do that will 0:00:36.680 --> 0:00:41.440 that will will change the haunted attraction offering? And U 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:45.479 a Pennsylvania haunted house has discovered just the means of 0:00:45.560 --> 0:00:49.520 doing this. That's right. It's called sh october Fest Screen Park. 0:00:50.440 --> 0:00:52.479 And I like to think of it as splicing my 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:57.560 nightmare about public nudity with a haunted house, because this 0:00:57.640 --> 0:01:01.440 is what they initially offered. The park owner, Patrick kind 0:01:01.480 --> 0:01:04.720 of Polski. He created this naked and scared challenge to 0:01:04.760 --> 0:01:08.000 give his guests just another level of heightened fear. It's 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:10.800 an add on, it's an add on. In fact, they 0:01:10.840 --> 0:01:16.080 had I believe the options were nude or prude, and 0:01:16.120 --> 0:01:18.160 prude is like underwear prude is underwear? Do you get 0:01:18.160 --> 0:01:21.160 through your underwear? You can go through completely nude. And 0:01:21.240 --> 0:01:25.240 of course this caught many people's eyes. The story went national, 0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:29.720 and city officials really frowned upon it. You know, presumably 0:01:29.720 --> 0:01:32.360 there'd be a lot of liability here with your with 0:01:32.400 --> 0:01:36.000 your junk hanging out, don't you think, Well, potential, I mean, 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:37.960 that's kind of what we're gonna talk about here, is 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:42.360 like to what extent? I mean, are you actually more vulnerable, 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:44.720 more prone to injury if you're running through hund a 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:48.480 house naked? Maybe? But but is it really that different, 0:01:48.520 --> 0:01:51.200 say from like a summer aware that somebody's wearing, Like, 0:01:51.280 --> 0:01:54.400 are you really if you're just wearing like swim trunks 0:01:54.400 --> 0:01:57.600 and a tube top or something, then are you really 0:01:57.720 --> 0:02:01.600 that that that much more protected? Well, I don't know, 0:02:01.800 --> 0:02:04.240 when you are wearing a tubetop, how do you feel? Well, 0:02:04.240 --> 0:02:05.880 not not a tube I guess something of like a 0:02:06.640 --> 0:02:10.639 what do you call it, like a sleeveless kind of shirt. Yeah, well, 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:15.360 you know that is the question. So unfortunately, the owners 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:18.880 of the screen park, we're not able to actually pull 0:02:18.960 --> 0:02:21.920 this off because again city officials were not liking this. 0:02:22.400 --> 0:02:25.519 So they do have the prude option. So so the 0:02:25.560 --> 0:02:28.440 prude option is still around. You can run through your underwear, yeah, 0:02:28.840 --> 0:02:31.560 which I do think there's still a nice level of 0:02:31.639 --> 0:02:35.480 venerability there and we'll definitely talk more about this. Yeah, 0:02:35.520 --> 0:02:38.120 it depends on the underwear though, because like boxers, I 0:02:38.120 --> 0:02:40.600 feel like boxers that's more protection, you know, because they 0:02:40.680 --> 0:02:43.760 boxers look a little more like shorts. And then if 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:46.080 you throw in like an underwear shirt as well, I 0:02:46.080 --> 0:02:48.160 mean you're basically clothed at that point. If you count 0:02:48.160 --> 0:02:51.240 socks is underwear even more so. Yeah, but tidy Whitey's 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:53.400 are keeping it closer to the boxy t whities I 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:55.800 think would would need to be the rule, because tidy 0:02:55.840 --> 0:03:01.000 whities are both a little more skimpy and also ridiculous looking, 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:02.760 so there would be no It's not like you're wearing 0:03:02.800 --> 0:03:05.080 like wrestling tights in there and you're ready to go. 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:09.720 If you're wearing tidy Whitey's, you're wearing this ridiculous dingy 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:13.200 white underwear with a penis flap in the front, which 0:03:13.200 --> 0:03:18.000 I've never understood that I think is for another episode. Yeah, 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:21.400 m but we should probably also discuss the television show 0:03:21.680 --> 0:03:24.240 which is called Naked and Afraid yes, and you were 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:26.040 telling me about this and I thought you were making 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:29.360 this up. I thought this was a Julie pitch for 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:33.320 a for a reality show. But as it turns out, 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:35.320 someone beat you to it on this one. Yes, someone did, 0:03:35.360 --> 0:03:39.360 and actually our our mother company, Discovery Really Communications, actually 0:03:39.360 --> 0:03:41.640 produces this show. But it does seem like something that 0:03:41.680 --> 0:03:44.080 would be on thirty Rock. That's like, you know, Milk Island, 0:03:45.200 --> 0:03:48.520 but no naked and Fred takes to survivalists a man 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:50.400 and a woman and they dropped them in the middle 0:03:50.440 --> 0:03:54.040 of an isolated area naked for twenty one days with 0:03:54.160 --> 0:03:57.880 no food or water, like rural Georgia or uh no, 0:03:58.040 --> 0:04:02.240 I think Costa Rica, Panama. Some were fabulous, some were 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:06.240 fabulous and isolated and um. But you know, again, here's 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:08.839 this fascination with this idea that we strip ourselves down 0:04:08.880 --> 0:04:11.360 to the essence, you know, bear as babies, and we 0:04:11.400 --> 0:04:14.480 go out into the world and try to fend off 0:04:14.960 --> 0:04:18.560 all the actual real threats as well as the imagined threats. Yeah. 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:21.560 I mean it's the thing itself, right, I mean, it's 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:24.080 the the the the bare human without any of the 0:04:25.160 --> 0:04:29.880 clothing and armor that we've built up over the ages. Well, 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:32.960 and that kind of takes us to this this other 0:04:33.000 --> 0:04:36.080 place where we have to say, as organisms, why in 0:04:36.120 --> 0:04:39.000 the world are we naked anyway? I mean, we are 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:41.719 obviously doing pretty well as a species. Homo sapiens are 0:04:42.040 --> 0:04:46.000 killing it out there literally. Um, but you know, we 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:49.640 don't have hard shells, we don't have claws to attack 0:04:49.720 --> 0:04:53.200 people with, because we do have these big, beautiful brains. 0:04:53.240 --> 0:04:55.599 That's right. We've you know, we we talked about beards, 0:04:55.640 --> 0:04:57.880 and we talked about to some degree, there are arguments 0:04:57.920 --> 0:05:01.200 that the beard gives a certain amount of protection against 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:05.520 bites or scratches or strangulation or what have you. But yeah, 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:07.520 for the most part, like the naked human is a 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:11.560 pretty unremarkable creature. It doesn't have horns, it doesn't have 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:15.480 any of these crazy additions except those that we've invented 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:18.400 over the years with that tremendous brain. And I want 0:05:18.440 --> 0:05:20.719 to point out I think the beard, although it could 0:05:20.800 --> 0:05:22.960 blunt a blow to the jaw, I would think that 0:05:23.000 --> 0:05:28.000 someone can actually like drag you around with it be hindrance. Yeah, yeah, 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:29.440 I think we got into that a little bit too, 0:05:29.520 --> 0:05:33.760 Like the the subject of beards in fighting sports, to 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:35.919 what degree, you know, you can grab onto a beard, 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:37.919 and that was one of the reasons that Alexander the 0:05:37.920 --> 0:05:40.000 Great supposedly told all of the soldiers they had to 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:42.040 shave the beard because someone could grab it and then 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:44.920 stab you in the eye a few times. Whereas they're 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:46.960 also those in the M M A world who say, well, 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:48.520 if you grew out just enough stubble, then you can 0:05:48.600 --> 0:05:52.800 rub that into people's face and you have an offensive weapon. Uh, 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:56.320 just as a female. And the beards that are in 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:59.880 that stage, yes, are quite awful, sort of like to 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:03.080 archer devices. I can't help but that one. Um. All right, 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:06.400 So we're gonna look at a creature here, the octopus, 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:08.400 and we're going to try to get down to this 0:06:08.520 --> 0:06:12.400 idea of a nudity and brain power. Yes, the octopus, 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:15.520 of course is an amazing creature. Recently, we were talking 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:17.760 about the way that the podcast has changed the way 0:06:17.760 --> 0:06:20.240 that we approach our lives, and I mentioned that I 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:24.440 don't eat octopy anymore because I in our research, I've 0:06:24.480 --> 0:06:27.080 discovered how brilliant they are in their own way. And 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:29.120 I say in their own way, because take, for instance, 0:06:29.120 --> 0:06:32.360 the mirror test for self awareness, one of the hallmarks 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:36.840 of of of of of intelligence and uh, you can. 0:06:36.880 --> 0:06:38.880 There are a number of organisms that can pass this test, 0:06:38.920 --> 0:06:44.599 including including humans, including uh, some some primates, etcetera. Uh. 0:06:44.680 --> 0:06:48.719 An octopus will fail the test because the octopus does 0:06:48.800 --> 0:06:51.559 not have this mammalion brain. It has a very advanced brain, 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:54.440 but it is it is evolved in the state from 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:57.080 from a far distant starting point than any of these 0:06:57.080 --> 0:06:59.880 other examples that we have, these vertebrate examples. So they 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:03.760 incredibly brilliant creatures, but in a very different sense, in 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:07.719 a very alien sense. Yeah. And for for a long time, 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:10.120 scientists have been saying, we don't understand how it could 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:12.960 have such extreme intelligence and be so very different from 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:16.840 our own nervous systems. And here's why. Octopuses have five 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:21.200 hundred million neurons to our one hundred billion. So you'd 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:24.560 think that they would come up short in the smarts department. Um, 0:07:24.600 --> 0:07:27.240 but about two thirds of its brains are distributed in 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:30.440 its arms, and it's dedicated to the fine operation of 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:35.440 these limbs and and doing really nuanced and complex things camouflage, 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:38.920 changing its shape, changing its color, um and all of 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:43.120 these problems solving powers that they notoriously have that anytime 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:45.760 you read about them, you'll be hear aquarium owners or 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:49.000 researchers talk about what great escape artists they are. Yeah, 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:52.000 it's because they've got hundreds of suckers, you know, lining 0:07:52.200 --> 0:07:54.720 these limbs, and all the neurons to go with it. Now, 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:57.000 the rest of the neurons are split between a central 0:07:57.160 --> 0:08:01.720 brain that is surrounding the esophagus and large optic lobes 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:04.520 behind the eyes. So you think about this, and then 0:08:04.560 --> 0:08:08.160 you think about different accounts of things that octopuses have done. 0:08:08.160 --> 0:08:11.679 I'm thinking about the researcher who had something like five 0:08:11.760 --> 0:08:15.400 different octopuses and separate tanks, and she had some old 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:17.800 food and she knew that they wouldn't be crazy about it, 0:08:18.160 --> 0:08:21.000 like like rancid and not rancid, but like old frozen squid, 0:08:21.160 --> 0:08:24.800 yeah yeah, not nothing fresh um. And she she fed 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:27.080 all of them. And then as she was walking back up, 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:31.160 she came up to the first tank and she saw 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:35.520 the octopus was staring at her, and it seemed to 0:08:35.559 --> 0:08:39.640 her that the octopus actually waited until they made eye contact, 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:43.280 and the octopus stuffed the food down the drain, as 0:08:43.280 --> 0:08:45.240 if to say, not only do I reject this, but 0:08:45.320 --> 0:08:47.600 I'm going to show you to what degree I rejected, 0:08:47.960 --> 0:08:49.679 and I want to make sure that you're paying attention here, 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:53.200 not mere rejection, that rejection with spite. Yes, exactly. Yeah. 0:08:53.200 --> 0:08:55.559 So there are so many different accounts of these sorts 0:08:55.559 --> 0:08:58.520 of great things, you know, stuffing themselves into empty coconut 0:08:58.520 --> 0:09:00.640 shells that have fallen on the ocean for in order 0:09:00.679 --> 0:09:08.240 to escape predators. Hot wiring cars, yeah, hot credit cards yeah. Um. 0:09:08.360 --> 0:09:12.199 So from the article how the freaky octopus help us 0:09:12.240 --> 0:09:14.959 to helps us to understand the human brain and wired, 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:17.920 I just wanted to read this quote says the octopus 0:09:17.960 --> 0:09:21.079 got smart because the octopus got soft, or vice versa. 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:24.120 It has no bones, no shell, no scary spikes. So 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:26.720 if the octopus wanted to go hunting in an ocean 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:30.160 full of fish, they're also hunting. Sometimes for octopus, it 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:35.479 had to become fiendishly clever, not unlike a certain shell less, clawless, 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:39.800 fur less primate. We could mention. Yeah, because when we've 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:42.880 discussed before, when it comes to evolution, like the ocean 0:09:43.280 --> 0:09:47.920 is an incredibly dangerous place, like far more so than 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:51.240 than the surface world, just teeming with dangers. And so 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:53.800 there's just the the the arms race there is just 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:56.360 elevated to a degree you don't. You tend not to 0:09:56.400 --> 0:09:59.360 see on the surface world, you know, I guess in 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:01.960 the jungle can say it's it's close. But but for 0:10:02.000 --> 0:10:04.440 the most part the ocean is just this deadly race. 0:10:04.760 --> 0:10:06.640 And so you look at the octopus and when it's 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:08.840 when it's alive and moving, you you are seeing all 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:11.520 the shifting of shapes and colors. It can make its 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:15.360 texture look hard and rough and rugged. But if you 0:10:15.520 --> 0:10:17.520 have a dead octopus and it just you know, washes 0:10:17.600 --> 0:10:19.360 up on the beach, it just looks like a sack 0:10:19.400 --> 0:10:22.760 of flesh. There's nothing there's nothing hard, there's nothing rugged 0:10:22.800 --> 0:10:25.200 about it. In a sense, it's all bluff, it's all 0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:28.679 it's it's a it's it's neurons powering up and creating 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:32.160 this display. And you can maybe easily make the argument 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:34.760 that humans have done the same thing, though, instead of 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:37.880 making our skin crawl with crazy textures and change colors 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:42.119 and all, we have invested in clothing. We've invested in 0:10:42.120 --> 0:10:45.240 in garments and and in some cases actual armor that 0:10:45.320 --> 0:10:48.000 makes us physically tougher, but in other cases stuff that 0:10:48.440 --> 0:10:52.000 changes the the the the visual proposition of what we 0:10:52.080 --> 0:10:56.160 are as an individual in the species, well as landlovers 0:10:56.160 --> 0:10:59.360 to um. You know, we we got our neo cortex 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:02.560 as mammalian have, and that really up the game too, 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:04.760 because now we have theory of mind. I can try 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:07.520 to figure out what you're thinking and trying to strategize 0:11:07.559 --> 0:11:10.439 around that. UM. So you're normally just taking in all 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:13.240 that data, but you are analyzing it to such a degree. 0:11:13.520 --> 0:11:15.880 So it is interesting how you put it that way. 0:11:15.960 --> 0:11:18.120 You've got the ocean, which is an entirely different game, 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:22.040 and so you would have organisms developing different intelligence systems 0:11:22.080 --> 0:11:24.640 as opposed to you know, what we're doing here on 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:28.320 the land. But of course the one thread that runs 0:11:28.320 --> 0:11:31.760 through all of this is this vulnerability, this nakedness. Now, 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:34.800 one area where this this idea of heightened vulnerability want 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:37.520 while nude, really comes into play, uh is in our 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:40.400 promotion pictures because for the most part, most of us 0:11:40.400 --> 0:11:42.440 have not had the experience of running through a hounted 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:45.719 house naked or fighting for our lives naked, but are 0:11:46.000 --> 0:11:50.120 our heroes and heroin's sometimes do encounter the situation. A 0:11:50.160 --> 0:11:53.560 few examples that instantly come to mind, of course, Eastern 0:11:53.559 --> 0:11:58.080 promises yes with Viga Morton sence that scene of him 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:01.319 in the shower digging it out with a Russian mafia members, 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:06.360 like a pack of clothed Russian mafia members with knives. 0:12:06.200 --> 0:12:10.400 That he's just naked and like like just very you know, 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:13.240 covered in tattoos, very loupine looking, you know, I'm gonna say, 0:12:13.320 --> 0:12:16.200 very animal like looking, and he's just fighting for his 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:19.400 life and he's being stabbed and beaten. I can't think 0:12:19.440 --> 0:12:23.559 of a scene that made me WinCE more honestly than 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:25.240 that scene. When I saw it, I was covering it 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:27.840 like it was just a horror, you know, film, and 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:29.800 that there was like blood. Of course there was no blood, 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:33.839 but yes, very effective use of nakedness. So that's that's 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:36.200 easily the one that came to mind mind the most. 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:39.080 Some other films that have included some some similar scenes. 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:41.840 I've forgotten about this, but Memento has a scene where 0:12:41.840 --> 0:12:44.720 Guy Pierce is assaulted one naked and he's like fighting 0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:48.440 him off, but it's nowhere near as as as intense 0:12:48.480 --> 0:12:51.920 as Eastern promises. There's a scene in American Psycho where 0:12:52.000 --> 0:12:55.200 Christian Bale's running around naked with a chainsaw, but that's 0:12:55.400 --> 0:12:58.320 different because he's the one with the chainsaw. You know, 0:12:58.480 --> 0:13:00.840 if you're carring a chainsaw. Then you're kind of not 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:03.679 really naked. Uh. There's a scene in The Hangover where 0:13:04.120 --> 0:13:06.800 an individual is naked and attack somebody. There's a scene 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:11.760 in Beowulf School Ties there's like a shower fight. Um Fargo, 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:16.040 I've forgotten about this with the scene where is um 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:20.079 is making love to a prostitute and uh and an 0:13:20.120 --> 0:13:22.120 individual comes in and starts roughing them up and just 0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:24.480 throwing them all over the place. There's of course a 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:27.600 scene in Borat where uh where bora At wrestles an 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:31.080 individual and they're both naked and uh and it's it's awful, 0:13:31.160 --> 0:13:34.360 it's awful. Um. There's a there's of course, the the 0:13:34.400 --> 0:13:36.800 old Kin Russell film Women in Love. It is kind 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:39.839 of famous for a nude wrestling scene with Oliver read uh, 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:42.320 you know, very you know, in a very manly sense. 0:13:42.520 --> 0:13:45.320 Uh and uh and then uh. When it comes to 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:49.920 uh to literature, I'm instantly reminded of C. S. Lewis's Perlandra, 0:13:50.520 --> 0:13:52.520 which which has a lot of new like the they 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:54.720 could probably never film it because there's a lot of 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:58.400 nudity in it. The character Ransom lands on this uh, 0:13:58.520 --> 0:14:01.679 this fictional version of Planet Venus it's also kind of 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:05.480 like Eten a biblical Eden. So he lands there and 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:07.959 he's walking around naked. And then a scientist by the 0:14:08.040 --> 0:14:10.880 name of Professor Western lands as well in a little spaceship, 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:15.000 Western is clothed. That Western is also possessed by uh, 0:14:15.160 --> 0:14:18.240 the devil, And it eventually gets to a situation where 0:14:18.240 --> 0:14:21.400 they have this this fight and it's like the devil 0:14:21.600 --> 0:14:23.680 is biting at him and all, and he's fighting him naked, 0:14:23.680 --> 0:14:26.680 and it's and I remember it as being very very 0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:30.280 nail biding ye yeah, um, which I think is interesting 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:32.320 because it brings in that element when you talk about 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:35.440 eating and talk about devil, uh, this element of shame. 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:39.000 And because what happened to Adam and e if they 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:42.480 they screwed up and so suddenly they can't walk around 0:14:42.560 --> 0:14:45.080 naked anymore. They have to wear those leaves, and that 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:49.000 wrought all sorts of psychoanalysis for them. Yeah, especially when 0:14:49.040 --> 0:14:52.360 fall fashions hit, because they just crumble at the slightest 0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:55.040 movement and then they have to grab more leaves. It's 0:14:55.040 --> 0:14:57.000 a problem. Let's take a break and when we get 0:14:57.040 --> 0:15:00.880 back we will talk about this shame associated with nudgedness. 0:15:10.040 --> 0:15:12.440 All right, We're back and we are going to dive 0:15:12.480 --> 0:15:17.680 into nudity and shame. Yeah, And you know, it's it's 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:21.640 interesting to to think about nudity and shame because I 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:25.680 often feel like in Eastern promises, it never crossed my mind. Oh, 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:28.480 poor Vigo, it's so shameful that he's having to fight naked, 0:15:29.040 --> 0:15:31.160 you know, like I don't like chain doesn't really factor 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:33.880 into my fear for him. But obviously shame is a 0:15:33.960 --> 0:15:37.280 huge part of nudity in our version of nudity, particularly 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:40.320 in UH in Western culture. Well, what's interesting to you 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:42.240 about a lot of the clips that we saw that 0:15:42.320 --> 0:15:44.640 we're sort of the top ten list of naked vibes 0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:47.160 is that not one woman showed up in those Oh 0:15:47.240 --> 0:15:50.400 excuse me, one did she was having with the nude 0:15:50.400 --> 0:15:56.360 guy who was shooting Oh yeah, Clive Owen and Monica 0:15:57.200 --> 0:16:02.680 well belus the one who is uh in the matrix, Okay, 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:05.720 yes her. So what's interesting about that is that those 0:16:05.800 --> 0:16:08.520 nude scenes with women that you know, that's the violence. 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:11.160 Normally in a nude scene with a woman is voisted 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:14.280 upon them. It's not usually a fight scene in which 0:16:14.320 --> 0:16:18.320 you know, they're toting guns around our knives. Um, so 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:22.240 it's kind of interesting to see shame and nudity rendered 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:26.040 in that way. But we have to we have to 0:16:26.080 --> 0:16:28.760 think about what is shame and also we have to 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:32.720 differentiate shame from guilt. So how would you how would 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:36.760 you describe guilt? Like, if you're guilty about something, it's 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:39.360 a it's a rather different animal than shame. Okay, Well, 0:16:39.840 --> 0:16:43.440 according to a collaboration between scientists at the University of 0:16:43.480 --> 0:16:48.120 Buffalo's Research Institute on Addictions and George Mason University in Fairfax, 0:16:48.240 --> 0:16:51.720 shame is definitely not the same as guilt, and shame 0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:55.920 actually has implications regarding misuse of alcohol and drugs. So 0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:57.960 all that shame that we think about in terms of 0:16:57.960 --> 0:17:01.920 our body, it's more of a thought construct, right, It's 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:04.919 not associated with an act. Usually, So if I have 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:08.040 a dream about being naked in public, and this is 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:10.600 more of a nightmare, it's more of an impending feeling 0:17:10.640 --> 0:17:14.280 that I have, um, you know, I have done something. 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:18.240 It's little dread anxiety associated with a shame as opposed 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:22.200 to like, you know, I did something sexual or bad. 0:17:22.520 --> 0:17:25.560 You know this one act. Yeah, guilt tends to imply 0:17:25.680 --> 0:17:28.520 to that you you really did something wrong, that you're 0:17:28.880 --> 0:17:32.119 responsible for you know that you're culpable in whereas shame 0:17:32.600 --> 0:17:34.959 not necessarily like, if you're ashamed of your body, you're 0:17:35.000 --> 0:17:37.320 not gonna be persecuted because your body doesn't match your 0:17:37.359 --> 0:17:42.520 own personal expectations of it and uh and and likewise, 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:46.480 it's this study looked into uh when when they were 0:17:46.480 --> 0:17:48.960 dealing with shame, like individuals who had like the bodily 0:17:49.440 --> 0:17:52.280 uh signs of shame, like the sunken shoulders, and those 0:17:52.280 --> 0:17:55.359 were the ones that were more likely to relapse into 0:17:55.400 --> 0:17:59.040 their addictive behaviors. Yeah, we should mention that these studies 0:17:59.080 --> 0:18:02.919 were all surrounding addictions and behavior. And the first study 0:18:02.960 --> 0:18:05.880 that they had, it was three groups of participants with 0:18:06.359 --> 0:18:09.680 different levels of alcohol or drug problems. There were two 0:18:09.720 --> 0:18:13.480 groups that were primarily female college students about twenty years old. 0:18:13.760 --> 0:18:17.919 The third group was comprised of predominantly male inmates from 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:21.040 a jail who were on average about thirty one years old. 0:18:21.600 --> 0:18:25.400 And what they found is that shame is the tendency 0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:28.879 to feel really bad about yourself following a specific event, 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:31.639 and people who are prone to shame when dealing with 0:18:31.680 --> 0:18:34.320 a variety of life problems may also have a tendency 0:18:34.400 --> 0:18:36.639 to turn towards alcohol and other drugs to cope with 0:18:36.640 --> 0:18:39.920 this feeling. So that's what the deal is with guilt 0:18:39.960 --> 0:18:42.760 and shame. It turns out that guilt um which is 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:46.320 again something that you're feeling bad about, which is a 0:18:46.400 --> 0:18:51.040 specific behavior action that is unrelated to substance use problems. 0:18:51.040 --> 0:18:53.880 And as you had mentioned, there was a follow up 0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:57.040 study that looked at the body language of people who 0:18:57.119 --> 0:19:01.800 felt shame about their addiction and could accurately predict whether 0:19:01.880 --> 0:19:04.760 or not that person would have a relapse. Yeah, and 0:19:04.960 --> 0:19:07.080 you know, the more I think about, shame seems to 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:09.639 really make more sense in terms of something that is 0:19:09.680 --> 0:19:13.520 an ongoing issue, you know, something that could be seen 0:19:13.760 --> 0:19:16.840 as a if not a character flaw, then a then 0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:22.160 a deep flaw in that person, either physically or spiritually mentally, 0:19:22.200 --> 0:19:24.679 what have you. Yeah, and I think that's with the 0:19:24.760 --> 0:19:28.600 interesting part of the body language what it's telling the 0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:30.600 observers here in this study. I said that was a 0:19:30.600 --> 0:19:33.840 follow up and it's actually not. It's University of British 0:19:33.840 --> 0:19:38.560 Columbia study. So there's forty six participants who were videotaped 0:19:39.040 --> 0:19:42.119 several sessions throughout the year that they found those greater 0:19:42.240 --> 0:19:45.800 levels of shame behaviors, and that first session showed that 0:19:45.800 --> 0:19:48.760 they were more likely to relapse by the second session. 0:19:49.240 --> 0:19:51.720 And by the way, any sort of written or verbal 0:19:51.760 --> 0:19:55.880 expressions of shame did not predict the likelihood of relapse. 0:19:55.920 --> 0:19:59.920 It was that again, the physical manifestation of what shame 0:20:00.280 --> 0:20:03.600 looks like, which leads into the research conducted by Burnet Brown, 0:20:04.080 --> 0:20:07.080 who's a professor of University of Houston Graduate College of 0:20:07.119 --> 0:20:10.040 Social Work, and she studies shame for six years and 0:20:10.080 --> 0:20:12.560 she found a lot of a lot of correlation between 0:20:12.640 --> 0:20:15.199 shame and not only addiction, which we've been discussing, but 0:20:15.200 --> 0:20:21.480 also depression, violence, aggression, bullying, suicide, and eating disorders. So 0:20:21.560 --> 0:20:25.440 she makes the argument that that guilt is more useful, uncomfortable, 0:20:25.520 --> 0:20:27.840 but but adaptive, you know. It's it's something that can 0:20:27.880 --> 0:20:30.280 actually be spun off into positive growth, where a shame 0:20:30.880 --> 0:20:33.399 is more And we get into, you know, discussing shame 0:20:33.480 --> 0:20:36.479 spirals and this idea that that that shame is not 0:20:36.520 --> 0:20:40.280 only feeling feeling responsible for what you did and realizing 0:20:40.280 --> 0:20:43.840 that what you did is wrong on some level, but 0:20:43.840 --> 0:20:47.240 but feeling this this low level of self worth about 0:20:47.240 --> 0:20:50.280 it that you almost don't have the the energy to 0:20:50.280 --> 0:20:53.640 to to fight the temptation or the or the need 0:20:53.680 --> 0:20:55.720 to do it again. You know what's interesting about that 0:20:55.840 --> 0:20:57.840 is when you talk about the human body, you talk 0:20:57.840 --> 0:21:01.760 about nudity, some people will have very strong reactions to 0:21:01.880 --> 0:21:05.280 their image and they might have, you know, eating disorders 0:21:05.400 --> 0:21:08.800 or other disorders that sort of warped their sense of 0:21:09.119 --> 0:21:14.160 um self esteem. And what Brown says is that perfectionism, 0:21:14.160 --> 0:21:17.280 which you often see with eating disorders, is a form 0:21:17.359 --> 0:21:21.159 of shame. And she said, where we struggle with perfectionism, 0:21:21.240 --> 0:21:26.439 we struggle with shame. Research shows that perfections perfectionism hampers achievement. 0:21:26.920 --> 0:21:31.879 Perfectionism is correlated with depression, anxiety, addiction, and life paralysis 0:21:32.480 --> 0:21:35.600 or missed opportunities. The fear of failing, making mistakes, not 0:21:35.720 --> 0:21:39.199 meeting people's expectations, of being criticized, keeps us outside of 0:21:39.200 --> 0:21:42.879 the arena were healthy competition and striving unfolds. It reminds 0:21:42.920 --> 0:21:46.080 me of that episode of Community where where they're all 0:21:46.119 --> 0:21:49.359 taking this pottery class and uh and uh and Jeff 0:21:49.359 --> 0:21:52.840 Wingers failing miserably added and it's just really frustrated with 0:21:52.880 --> 0:21:54.680 his miserable pottery because he was hoping it would be 0:21:54.680 --> 0:21:57.879 an easy class and to pick up women. And then 0:21:57.920 --> 0:22:00.800 there's this there's this doctor in the class. Uh, you know, 0:22:00.840 --> 0:22:04.200 so he's already an overachiever in some respects and then 0:22:04.200 --> 0:22:06.639 he's also creating this beautiful pottery even though it's like 0:22:06.680 --> 0:22:09.680 a pottery one on one class and uh, and so 0:22:09.760 --> 0:22:13.119