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Speaker 2: let's get to the show. Joining us now my friend

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Speaker 2: Jeremy Corbel, friend of the show. He's the host of

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Speaker 2: the Weaponized podcast and independent journalist who's constantly educating us

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Speaker 2: on the UFO topics.

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Speaker 3: Great to see you again, sir, Thank you.

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Speaker 4: Great to see you both.

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Speaker 2: So, Jeremy, you have just released some stunning new footage

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Speaker 2: that you have obtained. Why don't you set up a

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Speaker 2: little bit about this new revelation before we play some

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Speaker 2: of the video from your podcast breaking it out?

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Speaker 4: Sure, Yeah, this is an open investigation. We're doing something

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Speaker 4: different this time. We're crowdsourcing actually to military, trying to

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Speaker 4: get more information, more data. But here here's the basics.

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Speaker 4: In twenty twenty one, I got a tip from a

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Speaker 4: couple bases actually that there was an event, but that's

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Speaker 4: all that I got, and all of a sudden, I

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Speaker 4: the bottom? Miss started calling around. I found people on

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Speaker 4: the ground, over fifty eyewitnesses at one of the biggest

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Speaker 4: military installations on planet Earth. It's called twenty nine Palms

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Speaker 4: Military Base, Camp Wilson. Specifically, these marines they said to me,

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Speaker 4: they reported to me that they saw a craft, a

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Speaker 4: go air drop, get it from everybody. So within thirty

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Speaker 4: six hours, I've got witness testimony. They're telling me what's

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Speaker 4: going on, and a whole bunch of videos and photos.

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Speaker 4: The videos, I was like, there's gotta be flares. It's

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Speaker 4: like black night, you see lights in the sky. But

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Speaker 4: so multiple angles. And when I saw this image, I'm like,

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Speaker 4: there might be meat on this phone. You can see

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Speaker 4: the outline of a craft. And so if the report

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Speaker 4: is true, if what all these marines are telling me,

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Speaker 4: I thought I had to dig in. So that was

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Speaker 4: like almost two years ago. Man, did I dig in

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Speaker 4: try to get every source I could, and here we

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Speaker 4: of that I need more witnesses. There was a huge

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Speaker 4: response from the base. Of course, there was a training exercise.

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Speaker 4: There's always a training exercise going on there. It's a

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Speaker 4: So I dug in, got information, and man, this crowdsourcing

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Speaker 4: thing is working. Just within the last twenty four hours,

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Speaker 4: I am bombarded with individuals that were there with new photos,

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Speaker 4: new images. So this is going to be an updating story.

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Speaker 3: But wow, that's incredible.

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Speaker 5: So let's take a look.

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Speaker 1: We actually have you got multiple videos and images, but

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Speaker 1: we have one of those that we can show folks

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Speaker 1: that looks as you describe it. I think there's five

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Speaker 3: Let's take a look at it.

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Speaker 4: If you look in the picture, you can see like

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Speaker 4: a black trying your shape. Why are these not flares.

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Speaker 6: Because they stayed their first solid ten minutes just in

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Speaker 4: And flares don't sit in one spot for ten minutes. No,

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Speaker 4: they definitely they fall, So you personally know that these

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Speaker 4: were not flares. Do you believe this was a craft?

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Speaker 4: I would have to believe show with the picture I

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Speaker 4: It's definitely not any type of like flare, illumination rounds

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Speaker 7: And this was nothing compared to what that is like.

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Speaker 6: This was something none of us had ever seen before.

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Speaker 4: It was completely different colored.

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Speaker 1: Can you tell us a little bit more of what

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so what's been reported to me is this thing

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Speaker 4: duration is what's really interesting. Now I have footage if

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Speaker 2: One of the things that bothers me, Jeremy, is that,

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Speaker 2: as you said, you've kicked this the open source, but

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Speaker 3: It was just flares, Like, how can you pep with this?

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Speaker 2: It's as if you had not considered that in two

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Speaker 3: How do you know it wasn't a flair?

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Speaker 2: And these guys are like, I literally do this for

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Speaker 2: not a flair. I was there, I witnessed the event,

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Speaker 2: and I'm telling you that this was completely different. So

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Speaker 2: in terms of you reference the open source outside of

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Speaker 2: It's like whenever you're questioning the pilots themselves involved in

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Speaker 2: What are some of the things that you have gleaned

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Speaker 2: so far from the open source kicking this to a

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, first of all, when I say open source,

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Speaker 4: If we can solve this case, if it is prosaic.

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Speaker 4: If I get a pilot that said I dropped five

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Speaker 4: But you know what's interesting is that when this occurred,

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Speaker 4: you just have this abundance of information. As you saw,

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Speaker 4: rebuting that. So I can't I dismiss all the eyewitness

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Speaker 4: into that. Now, look, if this ends up being prosaic

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Speaker 4: or something, that's the dirty job of investigating UFOs. We

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Speaker 4: have to figure it out. But without having that conversation,

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Speaker 4: That's how this case is going to get solved. So

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Speaker 4: when I'm looking at all these UFO cases, some of

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Speaker 4: I have radar, I have thermal, I don't have all

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Speaker 4: We're just trying to solve this case, and this is

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Speaker 1: because I'm sure you get tons of tips all the time.

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Speaker 1: How do you go through the process of sorting through

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Speaker 1: What is the process that you go through, because I'm

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Speaker 1: weird and unexplainable. So take us through what your process

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Speaker 1: is to rule out some of the tips that you receive.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for that question, because you know ninety nine

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Speaker 4: cases take years. The first word people hear from me

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Speaker 4: I'm on cosmic time. This could take years for me

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Speaker 4: to report on it. So that's what I do, Crystal,

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Speaker 4: is just really take my time. And if I have

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Speaker 4: bottom up and I can't do it on my own,

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Speaker 4: then I reach out and ask for more information.

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Speaker 3: I love that, and Jeremy.

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Speaker 2: One thing is one of the reasons why people like

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Speaker 2: ways we actually get the truth about what's going on

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Speaker 2: on the inside. We covered the recent testimony that was

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Speaker 2: happening before Congress, and the government and the supposed officials

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I do. It's so funny every time George Napp

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Speaker 4: and I have pain and release, you know, formally classified

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Speaker 4: but inherently unclassified videos and information. You see these hearings

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Speaker 4: try to show a resolved one. It's almost surreal, Sagar.

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure you know what it's like to be

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Speaker 4: The transparency level is so low. Just think about it.

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Speaker 4: Arrow has had over two dozen people come and tell

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Speaker 4: fact because these people came to me first. I know

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Speaker 4: I have hope that that's going to come out. But

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Speaker 2: Excellent, excellent, my friend. Well, we need you more than ever.

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Speaker 4: You, thank you for covering this. Both of you.

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Speaker 2: Always fun whenever the lamestream fake news New York Times

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Speaker 2: So let's go ahead and put this up there on

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Speaker 2: the screen. I was personally outraged at this meeting of

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Speaker 3: Yeah with his hideous.

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Speaker 2: Also, Kevin McCarthy was wearing a dark navy suit, and

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Speaker 3: None of them are wearing ties. Now one gentleman is.

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Speaker 3: Look at President Biden and First Lady Jill. They look great.

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Speaker 2: They're wearing exactly what you should be wearing whenever you're there.

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Speaker 2: And this comes back to just like A, it comes

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Speaker 3: People always say.

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Speaker 2: you should care about how you look. There's a ton

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Speaker 2: of evidence actually that caring about how you look actually

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Speaker 5: Can we put the ted lasso one back up?

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Speaker 1: Because I got a questioned on this one. The guys

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Speaker 5: Do you object to the looks?

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Speaker 2: I just think that that's very First of all, Jason's

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Speaker 2: He is wearing what would be described as like that's

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Speaker 3: I'm just gonna be honest. So that's part of why.

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Speaker 2: So he's got this is why it's a mess. He's

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Speaker 2: Reason is that you really should never wear that type

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Speaker 5: You can't even like, no one can walk.

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Speaker 5: Be evenly applied. That's my plea for equality.

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Speaker 2: And here's the problem, though, Let's go put this this

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Speaker 3: There's now a congressional sneaker Cracus.

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Speaker 2: They say, the Congressional sneaker Crocus unequivocally supports Speaker McCarthy

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Speaker 2: As you said, dress shoes, Sure they're not great. Guess what,

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Speaker 2: Though you're in Congress, your only job is to represent others.

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Speaker 2: A big part of that is how you look. I

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Speaker 3: Guess what.

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Speaker 2: That's how elected politics and public life. That's what it means.

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Speaker 2: You know, I could technically do this show in a

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Speaker 3: I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't just do it because I like it. I

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Speaker 2: I will do my absolute best effort. It's like a lawyer,

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Speaker 2: do you want your lawyer to show up looking like

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Speaker 3: I've heard from several lawyers about this.

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Speaker 2: They're like, when we have defendants on trial, we always

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Speaker 3: That's just how the world is.

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Speaker 2: That's something that you can say that you're have a

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Speaker 3: Three days a week.

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Speaker 2: They don't do anything, and you can't even wear a

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Speaker 2: I saw Joe Manchin walking around in a Lululemon quarter

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Speaker 3: You say us this already.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, get out of here, get out that dude.

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Speaker 1: I want to provide you guys will be surprised by

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Speaker 2: Around if you're so how old that you need like

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Speaker 3: I mean, he's eighty years old.

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Speaker 2: Like I don't know why we're supposed to give you

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Speaker 2: a pass for that, Like, it's not nobody asked you

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Speaker 2: to stick around so.

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Speaker 5: Anyway, literally no one did.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true. Call me ages if you want. Sorry.

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Speaker 1: So we got a new poll in the Democratic primary.

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Speaker 1: Always interesting when media outlets actually decide to pull the

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Speaker 1: contenders who are in the race versus all the like fantasy.

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Speaker 1: They still will do these poles that are like what

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Speaker 1: about Kamala Harris, what about Michelle Obaum And it's like

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Speaker 1: those people are not running. You have people who are

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Speaker 1: actually running, so how are they doing the rice? Let's

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Speaker 1: go and put this up on the screen. This is

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Speaker 1: from Change Poles. They find Joe Biden still with a

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Speaker 1: commanding lead at sixty five percent. However, both of his

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Speaker 1: challengers in this particular poll are in double digits. You've

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Speaker 1: got Mary and Williamson and RFK Junior tied at eleven percent.

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Speaker 1: This was taken from four twenty eight to five to two.

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Speaker 1: So you know, whatever you think of those two candidates,

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Speaker 1: you'll have the media like frantically declaring they're not serious,

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Speaker 1: they're not serious, they're not serious. Meanwhile, they're doing better

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Speaker 1: against Biden than every candidate in the Republican side against

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Speaker 1: Trump save for DeSantis. You don't have all the same like,

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Speaker 1: oh Tim Scott's not serious. Oh, Nikki Haley's not serious.

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Speaker 1: Oh Mike Penn's not serious. It's not up to you

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Speaker 1: guys to determine who's serious or not.

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Speaker 5: It's up to the voters.

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Speaker 1: And also, judging by previous standards of who would qualify

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Speaker 1: for the debate stage, candidates in double digits would overwhelmingly qualify.

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Speaker 5: It's not even close call for debate stage.

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Speaker 1: But you know, there was another poll Emily that was

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Speaker 1: even perhaps more interesting to me, which is this Harvard

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Speaker 1: Harris poll, which we talked about a couple times in

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Speaker 1: the show, which had a lot of really interesting data.

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Speaker 1: They asked the question of voters, do you think Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden is going to win the Democratic primary?

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Speaker 5: Only fifty percent said yes.

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Speaker 8: It was fifty to fifty Democratic voters.

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Speaker 5: This I think this was all voters, oh ball voters.

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Speaker 8: Okay, that's little.

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Speaker 1: Kind of astonishing because you know, again, you have this

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Speaker 1: overwhelming narrative that he doesn't even have a challenger, like

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Speaker 1: they barely even acknowledge Bobby or Maryanne. And yet voters

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Speaker 1: alone the general election. I don't even know he's going

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Speaker 1: that was kind of stunning.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, there's another finding from the poll that they asked,

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Speaker 9: is Joe Biden mentally fit to serve as President of

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Speaker 9: the United States?

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Speaker 8: Or do you have doubts about his fitness for office?

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Speaker 9: Which is an interesting question because technically both of those

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Speaker 9: things could be true at the same time.

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Speaker 8: You think he's probably fit, but I have doubts about it.

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Speaker 9: Well, the results are fifty seven percent of people have

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Speaker 9: doubts about his fitness for office. That includes a quarter

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Speaker 9: of Democrats. In the poll, twenty four percent of Democrats

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Speaker 9: have doubts about his fitness. And now, get this, here's

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Speaker 9: the real problem for Joe Biden. Sixty five percent of

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Speaker 8: Thirty five percent said he is mentally fit.

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Speaker 9: And I think that question actually goes hand in hand

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Speaker 9: with the one that you were talking about. They asked

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Speaker 9: in terms of whether he's going to be the nominee.

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Speaker 8: People just see that he's.

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Speaker 9: Frail, and he is obviously frail, and I think people wonder,

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Speaker 9: you know, potentially, what could happen Donald Trump. By the way,

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Speaker 9: no spring Chicken also fairly old. Yeah, And so I

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Speaker 9: think these these questions are front and center of everyone's mind.

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Speaker 9: Like when I think about Tim Scott's campaign, they're saying, like, literally,

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Speaker 9: we have no idea what's going to happen a year

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Speaker 9: from now, we have no idea what's going to transpire.

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Speaker 8: So we're just going to kind of wait in the wings,

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Speaker 8: see what happens.

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Speaker 1: And will be the best be in position if something changes. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, what's interesting to me is they ask the

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Speaker 1: same question on the Republican side, do you think Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump is going to win or lose the Republican nomination?

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Speaker 5: They actually had he had a little.

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Speaker 1: Bit more confidence that he was going to win the

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Speaker 1: win the Democratic nomination.

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Speaker 5: It's pretty close.

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Speaker 1: So fifty two percent of voters thought that Trump would

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Speaker 1: win the nomination versus forty eight percent.

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Speaker 5: But compare that to the media coverage.

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Speaker 1: You know, if you were listening to the media, there

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Speaker 1: isn't even a Democratic primary going on, Like Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: is being anointed. It's happening period, end of story. Voter

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Speaker 1: is clearly not so sure. On the other side, you know,

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Speaker 1: there's been a lot of discussion about Trump's weakness and

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Speaker 1: you know, how he's really vulnerable and how DeSantis has

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Speaker 1: a real shot.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 1: I think the media has sort of turned on that recently,

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Speaker 1: just over some stymbols and over.

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Speaker 5: Some weakness in the poll.

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Speaker 1: But you definitely think there's more of a race going

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Speaker 1: on on the Republican side, and that's actually not how

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Speaker 1: voters are seeing things. I think you're one hundred percent

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Speaker 1: correct that it does come down to voters just looking

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Speaker 1: at Biden and on a basic human level being like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if this guy can go through another

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Speaker 1: four years, surely they're going to come up with some

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Speaker 1: kind of alternative.

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Speaker 8: Let alone another campaign cycle.

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Speaker 1: Right, But it also really demonstrates why Democrats are so desperate.

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Speaker 1: DNC democrats elected Democratic elites are so desperate to keep

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Speaker 1: the public from even knowing that they have choices, to

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Speaker 1: keep Biden off of a campaign stage or a debate

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Speaker 1: stage with those choices, because they know that people really

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Speaker 1: are looking for alternatives and open to alternatives, and they

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Speaker 1: just their best bet is just to pretend like those

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Speaker 1: alternatives don't actually exist.

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Speaker 9: They are not confident in Joe Biden. I think for

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Speaker 9: good reasons when you look at sixty five percent of

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Speaker 9: Independence saying that they're not sure about his fitness for office.

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Speaker 9: That's why they don't want Joe Biden on the debate stage.

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Speaker 9: But honestly, it could backfire on them and be totally

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Speaker 9: counterproductive in the same way that it backfired on them

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Speaker 9: in twenty sixteen, because it gives RFK Junior, gives Marianne

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Speaker 9: more ammunition to say this is an actual conspiracy and

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Speaker 9: the part of the DNC to keep voters from having options.

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Speaker 8: And that's it.

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Speaker 9: We saw all of the leaks come out, we know

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Speaker 9: that's exactly what happened, and that pisses voters off. It

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Speaker 9: will Bernie laid the groundwork for people to understand that

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Speaker 9: this is a real narrative, that this is rooted in truth,

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Speaker 9: and that is powerful when you see it happening again

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Speaker 9: and again and again and your alternative is not you know,

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Speaker 9: Hillary Clinton, all the flaws that Hillary Clinton has, She's

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Speaker 9: not senile in the same way that Joe Biden is.

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Speaker 9: And that's going to be a huge problem for the

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Speaker 9: DNC because when people are you know, you already have

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Speaker 9: double digits for Marianne and RFK Junior.

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Speaker 8: That's crazy.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, that's bad for the DNC's ability to actually control.

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Speaker 1: The narrative when every article is like, they're not serious,

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Speaker 1: they're not to the extent they mentioned them at all.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I think it's I think it's pretty interesting.

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Speaker 1: I think it's pretty wild. And it's also why even

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Speaker 1: though do I have any confidence the DNC is going

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Speaker 1: subject to himself to no, because they are so fearful

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Speaker 1: of any sort of exchange, any sort of acknowledgment that

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Speaker 1: there is real competition there. But I still think it's

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Speaker 1: really important to press the case to educate the public

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Speaker 1: and the Democratic primary base that number one, this party

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Speaker 1: that claims to be all oh democracy is so sacred,

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Speaker 1: et cetera, you know, not living up to their word

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Speaker 1: number one and number two, to just you know, illustrate

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Speaker 1: for them that there are alternatives, that they're being shut out,

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Speaker 1: and that you don't have to go in the direction

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Speaker 1: are wrong.

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Speaker 9: So I just pulled up a a NBC article from

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Speaker 9: June twenty third of twenty fifteen that says, it's the

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Speaker 9: headline Bernie's long odds versus Hillary NBC WSJA, Wall Street

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Speaker 9: Journal poll Bernie was playing at fifteen percent. Hillary Clinton

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Speaker 9: was at seventy five percent.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 9: And so again that was more of a binary choice

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Speaker 9: because now you have probably RFK Junior and Marian Williamson

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Speaker 9: splitting votes. But holy smokes, like that's fifteen percent for

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Speaker 9: Bernie standers. When you combine Marion RFK Junior, you're already

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Speaker 9: way higher than that.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, so this is bad news.

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Speaker 1: And it's another I think eleven percent that said don't know.

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Speaker 6: All right. I'm Maximilian Alvarez. I'm the editor in chief

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Speaker 6: war on breaking points. Massive worker strikes continue to rock Europe,

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Speaker 6: working people is taking many forms from French President Emmanuel

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Speaker 6: Macron's deeply unpopular plan to raise retirement ages and further

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Speaker 6: of that, responding to the massive wave of strikes in

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Speaker 6: of class war on Monday May twenty second, and as

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Speaker 6: If you've been watching corporate media here in North America,

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Speaker 6: revisit my previous segments on Breaking Points from March and January,

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Speaker 6: in which I spoke with British and French rail workers

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Speaker 6: In France, trade unions have announced a nationwide day of

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Speaker 6: a meeting by lawmakers on June eighth to discuss a

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Speaker 6: draft bill proposed by the opposition Leo Party to cancel

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Speaker 6: the retirement age reform in the UK. As Gwintopem recently

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Speaker 6: reported for The Guardian, quote the RMT has announced another

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Speaker 6: rail strike on Friday, the second of June, the day

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Speaker 6: before the Men's FA Cup final, warning that the government

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Speaker 6: quote cannot wish the dispute away end quote. About twenty

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Speaker 6: thousand RMT members working for the fourteen major rail companies

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Speaker 6: in England will strike for twenty four hours in the

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Speaker 6: law running dispute over pay and conditions. The stoppage falls

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Speaker 6: between two days of strikes already called by the Drivers

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Speaker 6: Union as left on the thirty first of May and

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Speaker 6: the third of June, compounding the disruption for passengers before

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Speaker 6: the final at Wembley between Manchester City and Manchester United

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Speaker 6: on the Saturday. The union said that while there had

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Speaker 6: been contact with the train operator's body, the Rail Delivery

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Speaker 6: Group or the RDG since the last strike was called,

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Speaker 6: there had been no new proposals. The package rejected in

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Speaker 6: April had not significantly improved since the offer was rejected

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Speaker 6: in February, a headline increase of nine percent over two years,

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Speaker 6: but with conditions attached and only a short term guarantee

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Speaker 6: against job cuts.

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Speaker 3: End quote.

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Speaker 6: To get an on the ground update on the ongoing

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Speaker 6: class struggle playing out across France. In the UK, I'm

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Speaker 6: honored to be joined today one once again by Mateu Boulredat,

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Speaker 6: calling in from France. Mattheu is a train operator and

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Speaker 6: General secretary of the Versailles branch of the CGT Union

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Speaker 6: or the General Confederation of Labor. We're also joined by

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Speaker 6: Clayton Clive calling in from England. Clayton is a train

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Speaker 6: conductor and he is also currently serving as the Branch

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Speaker 6: secretary for the R and T Manchester South Branch. Mattheu Clayton,

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Speaker 6: thank you both so much for joining us today on

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Speaker 6: Breaking Points. I know you are both incredibly busy and

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Speaker 6: you have been fighting your asses off for months on end,

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Speaker 6: so I promise not to keep you too long. You know,

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Speaker 6: we last checked in with Mattheu and Gaz Jackson from

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Speaker 6: the R and T for another Breaking Points interview that

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Speaker 6: we published a little over a month ago, so I

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Speaker 6: want to catch people up on what's been happening since then.

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Speaker 6: So why don't we start by telling people from your

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Speaker 6: vantage points as members of and fighters for the working

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Speaker 6: class what has been happening in your countries over the

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Speaker 6: past month, and then in the next round we'll talk

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Speaker 6: about the upcoming strikes in June. So Matt two, you're

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Speaker 6: up first.

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Speaker 10: Brother, Hi Max, And of course I'm busy, but I'm

704
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Speaker 10: never too busy for you, you know that. So thank

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Speaker 10: you very much again to give me the flaw and hello,

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Speaker 10: good evening to all brothers and sisters across the ocean

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Speaker 10: in Baltimore and all the USA. So about about this

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Speaker 10: topic since the last time we meet, I think it

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Speaker 10: was in the in the end of the end of March,

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Speaker 10: and so we was just in the in the hand

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Speaker 10: of our unlimited strike. As you remember, we do one

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Speaker 10: month on unlimited strike in in different terms, a strategic

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Speaker 10: sector of the economy, okay, the refinery, the power, the

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Speaker 10: power workers, the railway workers, underground, the collect garbage. So

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Speaker 10: at this point we we success to make afraid the

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Speaker 10: majority of the member of Parliament, so they don't vote

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Speaker 10: the law. But you know they use a bypass, a

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Speaker 10: trick of the constitution to bypass the parliament and and

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Speaker 10: pass the law without a vote. So after that there

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Speaker 10: is uh the young people that come uh very loudly

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Speaker 10: in the movement every night they do the wild demonstration

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Speaker 10: they call they call that, while I call that free

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Speaker 10: demonstration on the street, not just in Paris, even in

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Speaker 10: a small sea is and they're fight against the police.

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Speaker 10: Now the situation is more quiet, but the president said, uh,

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Speaker 10: we have to move on, you know, we have to

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Speaker 10: move on and talk about other things. And we we say,

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Speaker 10: the working class movement said we will not moving on.

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Speaker 10: We will continue to fight, to resist and to claim

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Speaker 10: our legitimate claims, legitimate entication and legitimate agenda. And so

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Speaker 10: we do a huge may Day in Paris. It was

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Speaker 10: I think the biggest may Day I never saw, with

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Speaker 10: a lot of camera from more than sixty countries comes

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Speaker 10: in Paris. So it was very important to show the

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Speaker 10: international support to our people and the working class in France.

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Speaker 10: Support of course against the law, against the anti pension law,

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Speaker 10: but the suppose against the anti democratic.

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Speaker 7: Policy of the President Macron.

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Speaker 10: For us, now it's become very clear that our fight

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Speaker 10: is not not just a self defense social self defense.

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Speaker 10: It's become a democratic self defense against authoritarism of the

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Speaker 10: of the government. And of course we plan a new

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Speaker 10: day of strike the sixth of June to mention it

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Speaker 10: because as you mentioned, there will be a small group

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Speaker 10: of the opposition actually, and that's a good job, is

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Speaker 10: a righteous group at in the balance. But they want

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Speaker 10: to finish this movement. They want to stop this and

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Speaker 10: and stop the strikes of the demonstration because it's very

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Speaker 10: very bad for the profits, is very very bad for

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Speaker 10: the bosses. So they try to to make a new

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Speaker 10: vote with a new law too to counsel the first

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Speaker 10: law we take place without vote, So you can see

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Speaker 10: it's totally crazy the situation here in the parliament. So

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Speaker 10: because the organist that the eight we decide to organize

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Speaker 10: a new day of general strike and demonstration in all

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Speaker 10: over the country the sixth of June, and in my

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Speaker 10: company it will be a huge, huge day of strike,

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Speaker 10: and we invite delegation for six country just in my branch, Portugal,

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Speaker 10: Greece and Italy to demonstrate with us.

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Speaker 7: So it will be a huge day.

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Speaker 10: And of course, and I will conclude by that, I'm

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Speaker 10: sorry if if I.

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Speaker 7: Was too long.

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Speaker 10: Of course, during the summer, even we don't win at

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Speaker 10: the eighth of June during the honor and we're not

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Speaker 10: taking place of general strike there because it's the holiday cine.

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Speaker 10: We know French people are very lazy. We take one

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Speaker 10: month of holiday. Sorry about that, but I think you

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Speaker 10: said most of people take another job during the holidays.

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Speaker 7: But it's a different situation.

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Speaker 6: Holiday holiday, what's that?

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Speaker 10: But uh, it will be still a mobilization, but with

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Speaker 10: with different forms. And we announced that for example, we

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Speaker 10: will fight to councel a lot of sports events, uh

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Speaker 10: and a lot of cultural events. And now from now

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Speaker 10: we we start to threat this government. If you continue

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Speaker 10: to do that, there will be no Olympic Games in Paris.

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Speaker 4: It will we will.

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Speaker 10: Collapse all the cities for the Olympics Games. Event is

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Speaker 10: not lackameilion, it's a self defense policy.

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Speaker 6: Hell yeah, well I want to I want to circle

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Speaker 6: back and talk about the demonstration's planned for the six

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Speaker 6: and what people can do to support y'all. But I

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Speaker 6: guess before we get there, Clayton, why don't we bring

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Speaker 6: you in here? And yeah, like we said last time

786
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Speaker 6: on Breaking Points, I got to chat with Matt Twu

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Speaker 6: and Gaz Jackson. We know, the great Gaz Jackson over

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Speaker 6: at the r m T in Yorkshire and Lincolnshire and

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Speaker 6: that was at the end of March. So why don't

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Speaker 6: you give viewers and listeners an update on what's been

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Speaker 6: going on specifically with the r m T in the

792
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Speaker 6: National Rail dispute in the UK, but also I guess

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Speaker 6: you know, if you want to give folks any other

794
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Speaker 6: updates on the other strikes that we've been seeing, like

795
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Speaker 6: the NHS strike and you know, the first Amazon workers

796
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Speaker 6: strike in the UK, what's been going on over there

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Speaker 6: over the past month.

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Speaker 11: Hello, thanks for having me again, and solidarity to our

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Speaker 11: friends and comrades in France and around the world. What

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Speaker 11: Matthew was just saying there about summer is exactly what

801
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Speaker 11: I want a piece of. Maybe we could do with

802
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Speaker 11: Matthew and our National Executive Committee at the R and T,

803
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Speaker 11: because what we need is escalation. In my opinion, where

804
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Speaker 11: we were when you last spoke with Gaz, I believe

805
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Speaker 11: that the offer was being considered. That offer was the

806
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Speaker 11: five percent as you've mentioned, with another five percent tied

807
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Speaker 11: to terms and conditions modernization as they call it. That

808
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Speaker 11: went to a consultation amongst all the branches in our union,

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Speaker 11: and the overwhelming majority of branches said to reject that

810
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Speaker 11: offer outright without a referendum. I think our branch actually

811
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Speaker 11: sent a resolution to that effect before we were even

812
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Speaker 11: told to consult our members. That's how strongly people in

813
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Speaker 11: Manchester felt that that offer was unacceptable. Obviously it's unacceptable

814
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Speaker 11: for workers to have to pay for their own pay

815
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Speaker 11: rise that meets the rise in inflation. Nobody should have to,

816
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Speaker 11: you know, see their terms and conditions cut purely to

817
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Speaker 11: be able to afford to live. And if we'd accepted

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Speaker 11: something like that, it sets a dangerous precedent. You know,

819
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Speaker 11: the government will accept workers elsewhere to do it as well,

820
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Speaker 11: expect workers elsewhere to do that as well. And you're

821
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Speaker 11: you know, selling your soul for a little bit, but

822
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Speaker 11: in the long term, your job is worse worse off,

823
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Speaker 11: and those attacks would keep coming. So luckily we've we've

824
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Speaker 11: rejected that offer outright without a referendum, and now we've

825
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Speaker 11: a day of action coming up on the on the

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Speaker 11: let me check we have a day of action coming up.

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Speaker 11: I think it's the second of June. I know it's

828
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Speaker 11: it's slot slotted in with as left coming up strike action.

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Speaker 11: We've only called one day because at the time we

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Speaker 11: were waiting for the renewal of our mandate because in

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Speaker 11: the UK we have to balot every six months. So

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Speaker 11: now what I'm expecting is an escalation of action over

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Speaker 11: the summer. Because we've taken twenty days. This will be

834
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Speaker 11: our twentieth day of strike action in eleven months. So

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Speaker 11: to me, we've not really hit hard. You know, we've

836
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Speaker 11: not used the economic power that we have. My personal

837
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Speaker 11: view is last summer we should have hit hard because

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Speaker 11: the longer it drags on, the more weary members will get.

839
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Speaker 11: And as you see, if you put poor offers out

840
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Speaker 11: to the membership at time and again, eventually they'll accept

841
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Speaker 11: that and we'll have all sold ourselves short. So what

842
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Speaker 11: I want from our union and from our national executive

843
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Speaker 11: is an escalation of action because it's going to reach

844
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Speaker 11: a point where we've got no choice. Sooner or later,

845
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Speaker 11: we're either going to be worn down or we're going

846
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Speaker 11: to have to escalate. You know, you're going to have

847
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Speaker 11: to throw all your cards in at some point and

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Speaker 11: show what we've got. So far, we've not done that.

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Speaker 11: And regardless of the action being small and you know,

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Speaker 11: subtle action, it's not been it's not been long periods

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Speaker 11: of sustained action. Regardless of that, regardless of however we

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Speaker 11: take strike action, we've got the the anti strike bill,

853
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Speaker 11: a minimum service bill now hot on our heels as well.

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Speaker 11: You mentioned what else is going on in June. Obviously,

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Speaker 11: as left there their offer. They only represent trade and drivers.

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Speaker 11: Our empty represents all grades in transport industries. Has left

857
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Speaker 11: had an offer a worse offer than ours, and there's

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Speaker 11: two was tied to cut to safety, if you can

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Speaker 11: believe it, especially when you know what's going on over

860
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Speaker 11: in the US there on your railroads there with safety issues.

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Speaker 11: The government wants has left to accept for a pay rise,

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Speaker 11: a reduction in driver training and for drivers to basically

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Speaker 11: be trained in a way that they get to choose

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Speaker 11: how competent they are. You know, there isn't a set

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Speaker 11: standard currently, there's a set standard of say you've got

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Speaker 11: to do one hundred hours over such a route, but

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Speaker 11: they want to change it. So it's up to individual drivers.

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Speaker 11: So if the managers are pressuring you we need you driving,

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Speaker 11: you could say I'm fine after five hours, and you

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Speaker 11: know you're not. You're not to the same level. And

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Speaker 11: likewise we've seen escalations and strikes in this strike way

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Speaker 11: from Amazon and the junior doctors have announced more dates

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Speaker 11: after rejecting a pay rise, and ultimately I think the

874
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 11: tide is sort of turning in the viewpoint that workers

875
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,879
Speaker 11: can get more and deserve more, and there is there

876
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,959
Speaker 11: is no excuse. You know, we've we've hammered it home

877
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 11: time and again. The rm T about passenger numbers. The

878
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 11: government consistently says, oh, passengers aren't coming back, so we

879
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 11: need reform, and we hear this over and over again.

880
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 11: And we've just recently got the Department for Transports own

881
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 11: numbers for April, and I believe it's ninety eight point

882
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 11: six percent passenger numbers on the railway for April. And

883
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:13,280
Speaker 11: that's whilst strikes have been going on, and that's whilst

884
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 11: companies are still running reduced timetables, and some companies can't

885
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:22,919
Speaker 11: even manage to run that reduced timetable to an acceptable level.

886
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 11: They're still canceling so much so that we're seeing our

887
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 11: franchise based privatized system collapse. Again. We've seen another train

888
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 11: operating company have to be taken over by the government

889
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 11: owned operator of the Last Resort, which I think is

890
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:43,879
Speaker 11: a fantastic name. So it's clear for everyone to see

891
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 11: that the rail industry is going to easily exceed passenger

892
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 11: numbers that were set before the pandemic. I believed the

893
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 11: year of running up to the pandemic we had the

894
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 11: second highest recorded passenger levels ever and we're be in

895
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 11: on some days and near enough matches throughout April that

896
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 11: passenger level again on a poor service. So it's a

897
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Speaker 11: time for investment. It's a time to give the workers

898
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 11: their fair share. And hopefully, obviously our one day of

899
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 11: action isn't going to change much, So hopefully we get

900
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 11: a nice string of dates announced that will bring the

901
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 11: government to the table and we'll give on negotiate as

902
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 11: a shoe to beat the government with, as it were.

903
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:28,720
Speaker 6: All right, So, as we've already said, we've got some

904
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:32,879
Speaker 6: big disruptions planned for early June in both France and

905
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 6: the UK. Now, like I said, we are recording this

906
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 6: segment on the week of May twenty second, so it's

907
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 6: always possible that circumstances can change by the time this

908
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 6: segment gets published. But let's assume that things will continue

909
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 6: as planned for now. So Matthew Clayton tell us a

910
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,320
Speaker 6: little more about what's going to be happening in early June.

911
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,320
Speaker 6: Who's going to be involved, how big do you expect

912
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,760
Speaker 6: these strikes to be, what do you hope the outcome

913
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 6: of these strikes will be, and what can people around

914
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 6: the world do to stand in solidarity with their fellow

915
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 6: workers in France in the uk Ah.

916
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 7: That's a very good question, you know. I'm I'm a

917
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 7: train driver. You mentioned it.

918
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 10: I'm the general secretary of course of my union. But

919
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 10: I must i'm too. I'm a trainer too, because it's

920
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:38,280
Speaker 10: very important, the training of union.

921
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 7: It is young union.

922
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:42,720
Speaker 10: It's is very important, you know. And usually I said

923
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 10: a small joke during the our training camp. I never

924
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 10: talk about the beliefs of people. You know, gods are

925
00:48:54,719 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 10: not you know, hell or heaven. But I'm fortunate and

926
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 10: I could definitely say that I don't believe.

927
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:05,919
Speaker 7: In Santa Claus.

928
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 10: So uh, and I think we are not fight kids old.

929
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 4: We we we.

930
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 10: Don't believe in some clause we have to believe in us.

931
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 10: We have to believe to believe in ourselves. We have

932
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:23,439
Speaker 10: to believe in the power of the working class. There

933
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 10: is a power in the union. So we have to fight.

934
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 10: We have to fight, is our only solution. You know,

935
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 10: we have not the billion of Europe.

936
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Speaker 7: And and dollars.

937
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 10: We are not billionaires, but we are billions of workers.

938
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,919
Speaker 10: And that's I think it's the way out, the key

939
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 10: to to to to the way out. So the sixth

940
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Speaker 10: of June there is now now uh call of national

941
00:49:52,840 --> 00:50:00,879
Speaker 10: strike of rivway worker, of energy, worker of raffinery and

942
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 10: bought all the parts in France buses underground and schools,

943
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Speaker 10: teachers and people who public servants, in city halls, at court,

944
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 10: et cetera, et cetera, in prisons two, et cetera, et cetera.

945
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 7: So there is a huge call.

946
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Speaker 10: But there is a call in private sector too, for example,

947
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:29,280
Speaker 10: in the commerce services you mentioned the command from Amazon,

948
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 10: it is the same in you eat or deliverools, you know,

949
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 10: this small new job, you know, the start up nation.

950
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 10: Like President Macron like to say, so, it's very important

951
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 10: to coagulate all this anger, all and but all this

952
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 10: hope to we we are the party of the anger

953
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:57,280
Speaker 10: and the party of the hope. We have to turn

954
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Speaker 10: the anger to a fight to win our legitimate claims.

955
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Speaker 10: So the interesting point is today now, because we not

956
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:15,399
Speaker 10: just wait for the sixth of June and the day

957
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 10: after and the day after, we continue to organize now.

958
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 10: For example, now President Macron is ministers or the deputy

959
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 10: of his parliament minority. You know, the world in France

960
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 10: is a parliament majority, that of course is a parliament minority.

961
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 7: Because they don't don't take their chance by vote.

962
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 10: So every day, every day they try to go to

963
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 10: a place a factory, visit to school, et cetera, et cetera,

964
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 10: in all the country to try to move on, you know,

965
00:51:56,320 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 10: and talk about other things education, the great UH industry,

966
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 10: et cetera, et cetera. There is every day UH demonstration,

967
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 10: small demonstration, maybe hundreds people, maybe thousands people, but that

968
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 10: there is always a demonstration with people UH and claim

969
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 10: and scream and et cetera, et cetera, make music and

970
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 10: UH say no to the this abuse, no to this

971
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:35,760
Speaker 10: democratic anti democratic injury to all and UH for example,

972
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 10: and that that's a true story.

973
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 7: You can you can check it on online.

974
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 10: Because they are afraid about our cameras, bothers and sisters

975
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 10: from the energy from the energy.

976
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 7: Trade Union of cuttings. UH.

977
00:52:55,120 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 10: The lights in different rooms, meeting rooms. They are always

978
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 10: the staff of the president. They have always in any move,

979
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 10: always a big battery, you know, a big helping battery,

980
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 10: emergency battery to.

981
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 7: Have a power. Can you imagine that the president of

982
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 7: the sixth.

983
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 10: Powerful economy in the world could not make a move

984
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 10: in his own country without an emergency battery. That's so

985
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 10: fucking ridiculous, you know. And that's the situation now. So

986
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 10: it's a big Gary, Yeah, you know, it's.

987
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 7: Of course for now.

988
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 10: We don't win the first move of the war, but

989
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 10: it's a huge class war. There is several battles, okay,

990
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 10: and we have to prove to him he could not

991
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 10: restore the civil peace in the this country if he

992
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 10: don't take off his big We have to prove that

993
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 10: during months and months and months at the plan.

994
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:03,919
Speaker 7: Now.

995
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 6: It baffles me the way the powerful people like my

996
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 6: cron talk about working class struggle right like he's saying, oh,

997
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 6: we got to move on and talk about other stuff,

998
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 6: when it's like, well, are you know, we haven't solved

999
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 6: any of the issues that we were protesting about before,

1000
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 6: so why are we going to move on? And if

1001
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 6: we move on, then we're just going to keep sliding

1002
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 6: further and further down the ladder. We're going to be

1003
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:34,760
Speaker 6: working longer, we're going to be retiring later. The cost

1004
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 6: of living crisis is still a crisis. And so just

1005
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 6: because he's ready to move on, uh, doesn't mean working

1006
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 6: people are. And Clayton, I wanted to bring you in

1007
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 6: here and ask if you could fill us in as

1008
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:51,240
Speaker 6: well about the strikes that are coming up in early June,

1009
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 6: because I don't know, it felt like there was potentially

1010
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 6: a resolution on the horizon in the National rail dispute.

1011
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:01,840
Speaker 6: That's at least what we've been hearing from, you know,

1012
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:07,800
Speaker 6: British media. And surely Prime Minister Rishi Sunak also wants

1013
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 6: to you know, talk about something else right and move

1014
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 6: past all these strikes. But you know, he's not doing

1015
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:20,320
Speaker 6: anything to address the issues that y'all have been striking over.

1016
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:23,800
Speaker 6: And not only that he is rammed through He and

1017
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 6: the Tories have rammed through this anti strike law that

1018
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 6: would force striking workers in the UK to guarantee a

1019
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 6: minimum level of service during strikes, i e. If someone

1020
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 6: if the ARMT goes on strike, the government apparently gets

1021
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 6: to say how many workers have to cross that picket

1022
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 6: line to maintain a certain level of service so that

1023
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 6: service isn't disrupted during the strike, even though disrupting service

1024
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 6: is the whole point of a strike. So anyway, I'm

1025
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 6: getting I'm getting pissed off myself. Why don't you tell

1026
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 6: viewers and listeners I guess things stand now, and yeah,

1027
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 6: what is what they should be looking out for? With

1028
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 6: these new round of strikes in early June.

1029
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 11: Yes, So the second of June we have our day

1030
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 11: of strike action, which is every grade at every train

1031
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 11: operating company being out on strike, and that sandwich between

1032
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 11: two days of drivers taking strike action. For US, it's

1033
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 11: about twenty thousand members that will be on strike on

1034
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 11: the second of June. And like I've said earlier, I'm

1035
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 11: hoping we see an escalation of action because, as I've said,

1036
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 11: the anti strike bill, the minimum serviceability you've mentioned, is

1037
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 11: now on its sort of final final leg of the

1038
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:44,240
Speaker 11: whatever it does when it bats around between unelected House

1039
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:49,320
Speaker 11: of Lords and then our marginally elected MPs, it gets

1040
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 11: back back and forwards a bit, and then they do

1041
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 11: some amendments and you sort of lose interest. At the

1042
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 11: first hearing, I paid attention, and now I'm like, I

1043
00:56:57,320 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 11: guess it's coming. You know, it's inevitable. The TUC talk

1044
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 11: about challenging it in the courts, but we have to

1045
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:07,399
Speaker 11: remember that the courts work in the interest of the state,

1046
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 11: and this is the state's law. So I can't see

1047
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 11: the court coming and being my night in shining armor

1048
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 11: and saving me from this bill. And likewise, we can't

1049
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 11: wait for Keir Starmer's Labor Party, because although he said

1050
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 11: he will repeal this bill, I just saw the other

1051
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 11: day that he said he thinks that he should let

1052
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 11: the new Policing Bill bed in, which is terrifying. That's

1053
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 11: a bill that basically outlaws protest. If you're a bit

1054
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 11: too noisy, the police can come and arrest you. So

1055
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 11: we're on a dangerous path. We're on a scary road

1056
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 11: with this bill as well, which is you know, I've

1057
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 11: always found my union to be the most democratic part

1058
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:48,440
Speaker 11: of my life. You know, they say we live in

1059
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 11: a democracy. I don't get to elect my manager. I

1060
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 11: get to elect an MP for my area. But my

1061
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:57,959
Speaker 11: MP is always going to be a Labor MP. They've

1062
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 11: got a majority of twenty odd thousands, So if I

1063
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 11: want to vote for the Green Party, it doesn't mean anything.

1064
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 11: I'm not you know, we're not going to see a

1065
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 11: massive swing for the Green Party. The most democratic part

1066
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 11: of my life is my union. Luckily, I've one of

1067
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 11: the most democratic trade unions in the country. And the

1068
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 11: idea that this strike bill is anything other than to

1069
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 11: protect the state and to protect capital and private profit,

1070
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 11: you know, that's all is. They say it's going to

1071
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 11: be for the benefit of everyday people. Someone actually said

1072
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 11: to me on a most recent strike that he was

1073
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 11: being persecuted by our strike, and I said, I don't

1074
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:40,959
Speaker 11: think that's the case. I think you'll find our Lord

1075
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 11: and Savior Jesus Christ was persecuted. You know, you're not

1076
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 11: being persecuted by not being able to get the train today.

1077
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 11: And you can see the language they use in sometimes

1078
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 11: it works, but I think for the vast majority of

1079
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 11: people in the UK, they've always voted in support in

1080
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 11: polls and stuff of the strike action people are taking,

1081
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 11: and we've generally had that support on the street and

1082
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 11: on the ground, and I don't think that will change this.

1083
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 11: The leaders of unions, our General Secretary mcclinch and Matt

1084
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 11: Rack from the Fiber Grades union, have said that we're

1085
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 11: not going to comply with these laws and that we're

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Speaker 11: going to have to resist them, which is brilliant, but

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Speaker 11: the cynic in me does say very loudly in my head,

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Speaker 11: we've been complying with anti trade union laws for thirty years.

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Speaker 11: We've been complying with Factor's laws all this time, and

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Speaker 11: it's been our union policy to not comply with those

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Speaker 11: lots but we comply. So the talk is good, but

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Speaker 11: we need to see the action, you know, we need

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Speaker 11: to see workers being lifted up and given that empowerment

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Speaker 11: to not comply, because there will be great amount of

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Speaker 11: pressure and workers to comply, and there will be a

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Speaker 11: great amount of pressure on union leaders to not be

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Speaker 11: explicit when they're asking for non compliance, because of course,

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Speaker 11: if a union leader says, don't comply with those laws,

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Speaker 11: you're all out on strike. That union's assets could be

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Speaker 11: frozen and that could be that the end of that union.

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Speaker 11: But for me, I don't really care, because unions will

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Speaker 11: come and go. But workers and organized workers have always existed.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 11: They were organizing when they were building the pyramids. They

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01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 11: were organizing when Cromwell was doing his thing. They were

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Speaker 11: organizing in factories in the eighteen hundreds. They were organizing

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Speaker 11: when the US National Guard was shooting at them. We'll

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Speaker 11: keep on organizing and we'll find new ways to do it.

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Speaker 11: And I think, like mc clinchers said, the anti trade

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Speaker 11: union laws, these these anti struck the Minimum Service Bill,

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01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 11: as it's called nicely nice name for it, is only

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Speaker 11: going to open a bigger can of worms for them

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01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 11: because when people don't comply, there's nothing they can do.

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Speaker 11: If if the government says to me, I'm one of

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Speaker 11: x amount of percent that has to go into work,

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Speaker 11: if we all don't go into work, they can't sack

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Speaker 11: us at all. And if the nurses don't go into work,

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Speaker 11: they can't sack them all. So you know, we've just

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Speaker 11: got to stand up for ourselves. That's the ultimate thing.

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Speaker 11: And I think our stereotype is I think that we're

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Speaker 11: quite a compliant people, British people generally, or English people

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Speaker 11: at least. So let's hope that we cannot be compliant

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Speaker 11: for a change. And I think part of that, although

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Speaker 11: I'm sort of a person that thinks we don't need leaders,

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Speaker 11: there is a vast swave of union membership that does

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Speaker 11: need leaders, and it does need people to look up

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Speaker 11: to them. It needs you know, big Bill Haywoods, and

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Speaker 11: it needs Bob Crow's and it needs people like that,

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Speaker 11: and it needs mclinch and it needs our current leaders

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Speaker 11: now to lead that charge because they are doing it

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Speaker 11: at the moment. They are saying, you know, talking the talk,

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Speaker 11: but we need them to keep that up. Likewise, we

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Speaker 11: need our action to escalate, because otherwise this dispute is

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Speaker 11: going to go and run on beyond a year and

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Speaker 11: we've got nothing to show for it. And we started

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Speaker 11: very positively, you know, like Gaz said in the previous

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Speaker 11: one that this was like dropping a stone in a

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Speaker 11: pond and all the ripples coming out. For those ripples

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01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 11: will fade away if there aren't victories. You know, if

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Speaker 11: there aren't victories, we'll have nothing to show for the

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01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 11: strike wave and that will be the end of it

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Speaker 11: for maybe another generation. You won't see any in any

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Speaker 11: mobilization like this again. So what we need and what

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01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:38,480
Speaker 11: I hope for is escalation, and we need to be

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Speaker 11: ready for those anti strike laws. We need to be

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01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:43,160
Speaker 11: ready for that minimum service bill, and we all need

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Speaker 11: to stand around, stand up and not go into work

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Speaker 11: when that bill comes because, as Ted Grant said, I

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01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 11: believe it was Ted Grant, some people have been appropriating

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Speaker 11: this quote for a while. But not a single wheel turns,

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01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 11: not a lot pupe comes on you, not a letter

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01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:04,720
Speaker 11: is delivered without the kind permission of the working class.

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Speaker 11: And we need to remember that, and we need to

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Speaker 11: remember that we have the power, not the government.

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Speaker 6: Okay, So again, I know it's late. I know you

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Speaker 6: guys are tired. I promise this is the last question.

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Speaker 6: And it's a little bit of a cheeky question, as

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Speaker 6: my British friends would say, but frankly, I just could

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01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 6: not help myself. So on May twentieth, as breaking points

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Speaker 6: viewers can see on their screen, the Telegraph posted this

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Speaker 6: picture on social media of UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak

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Speaker 6: and French President Emanuel Macron just generally looking creepy and

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Speaker 6: weird together on the second day of the G seven

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Speaker 6: Leader summit in Hiroshima, Japan. Now, the Telegraph asked followers

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Speaker 6: to caption the photo and I am absolutely dying to

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Speaker 6: know how you guys would capture in this photo. Uh,

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Speaker 6: you know, what do you think Sunak and Macron are

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01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:08,480
Speaker 6: talking about here? And what would you say to Macron

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Speaker 6: and Sunak right now if you had the chance to

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Speaker 6: talk to them directly.

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Speaker 7: That's a tricky one.

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Speaker 10: So of course I don't know what they're talking about,

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Speaker 10: but I can imagine. I can imagine because these people

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Speaker 10: when when they meet each other in Davos, for example,

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Speaker 10: in Switzerland, are in India for the G seven meeting

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Speaker 10: in hiroshimas sorry for the G seven meeting, there these people.

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Speaker 7: There are very few people, and the.

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Speaker 10: Preton to command their lives, the preton to be the

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Speaker 10: new gods of this earth, the preton to put a

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01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 10: new religion, maybe the religion of the money, the religion

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Speaker 10: of the war.

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Speaker 7: You you you asked me.

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Speaker 10: What I imagine, what I imagine they're talking about. I

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01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:12,440
Speaker 10: would I wish imagine They're talking about peace, They're talking

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01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 10: about social progress.

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Speaker 7: They're talking about.

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Speaker 10: How to to satisfy the needs of the people of

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Speaker 10: not just of the people of my country, of Indian country,

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Speaker 10: of US country, but of the all the world.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 10: So, but I know they don't do that. I know

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Speaker 10: they don't do that. I know they talk about how

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Speaker 10: to satisfy the greed instinct of the few people of

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Speaker 10: the world, of the leadership of the world, of the

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Speaker 10: big bosses of the world, and big capitalists, and and

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Speaker 10: two satisfies not the needs but these greedy feelings. Then

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Speaker 10: they need to to troy, to destroy our combativity, to

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Speaker 10: destroy our movements, because we claim just the satisfaction of

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Speaker 10: our needs. That that's the difference between between us and them.

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Speaker 10: They want to satisfy greedy feelings and we want to

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Speaker 10: satisfy our needs. Just for example, in this in this

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Speaker 10: seven seven, they're talking about a new big cheap with

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01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:34,720
Speaker 10: the plane war plane. You know, it's four thousand, it's

1204
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:38,960
Speaker 10: four hundred thousand euros only for France for one boat

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Speaker 10: in Trance, one boat four hundred thousand euros.

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Speaker 7: Uh, sorry on.

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Speaker 10: God on thousand billions billions sorry, million, million millions, and

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Speaker 10: that they talk about the talk about. Uh, they said

1209
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:07,160
Speaker 10: they need to break our pension system because we miss

1210
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:14,160
Speaker 10: twelve only twelve billion Europe. So we can do the balance.

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Speaker 10: We can do the mats okay with with one boat,

1212
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:22,200
Speaker 10: you can pay like ten years of our pension system.

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Speaker 10: That's so ridiculous, So what what they do? So sorry,

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01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:30,760
Speaker 10: I lost my humor about that.

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Speaker 7: That it's we live in a very.

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Speaker 10: Sad times and very tough times. As I need we

1217
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Speaker 10: need to be shoulder shoulder and shoulder together in France,

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01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:48,840
Speaker 10: in all Europe and cross the ocean together because I

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01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:52,800
Speaker 10: think they want to kill to kill us all, you know,

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Speaker 10: to kill us all and destroy the planet just for

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Speaker 10: satisfying that they are greedy feelings. So we have to fight.

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Speaker 10: It's our only solution, of course, to the fund our self.

1223
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Speaker 10: But I have a girl, a little girl. I love

1224
01:08:08,560 --> 01:08:09,520
Speaker 10: her sister twenty.

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Speaker 12: She she she worked very good at school, She do

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01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:20,920
Speaker 12: their home work, she does the dishes when when she

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Speaker 12: has to do, she do all her duty.

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Speaker 7: She's a very good girl.

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Speaker 10: And now I'm not sure about this future, about our future,

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Speaker 10: I'm not sure about that, even our walk. I'm a

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Speaker 10: good dad, I have a good value. I'm not sure

1232
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Speaker 10: about that. That's fucking unfair.

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Speaker 11: So I don't have anything smart and deep and meaningful

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01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:44,639
Speaker 11: to add, like Matthew died, Maybe I don't think so.

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Speaker 11: What originally first came to mind was a bit of

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Speaker 11: a cheap job, which was that macarn is probably enjoying

1237
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:53,960
Speaker 11: being the tallest person in a room for a change,

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Speaker 11: and I checked as well. Macaron is one seven three

1239
01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:02,840
Speaker 11: centimeters and Sunak is one seventy. But what also came

1240
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:07,679
Speaker 11: to mind was the Discoelysium quote, which was evil child

1241
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:11,960
Speaker 11: murdering billionaires still rule the world with a shit eating grin.

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Speaker 11: So yeah, that's my caption. I don't know if that'd

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Speaker 11: get published in the paper. And the only other thing

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01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:23,439
Speaker 11: I would add is that I probably wouldn't talk to

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Speaker 11: them because I think that they're the sort of people

1246
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:29,599
Speaker 11: whose mind you would never change, you know, you could,

1247
01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:32,599
Speaker 11: you could take them anywhere to see suffering and they

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01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:35,400
Speaker 11: wouldn't you know, they wouldn't change their minds about things.

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01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:39,080
Speaker 11: They wouldn't change their mind about about war, about funding war,

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01:09:39,080 --> 01:09:41,680
Speaker 11: They wouldn't change their mind about increasing the funding for

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01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:46,000
Speaker 11: school or education. All that really matters to them is

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01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:53,160
Speaker 11: profit and like you said, very expensive watches. If anyone

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01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:56,760
Speaker 11: can support us, or talking of money, maybe Macron can

1254
01:09:57,680 --> 01:10:00,679
Speaker 11: I would maybe recommend to them the Strike Fund rt SCOTT,

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01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:04,160
Speaker 11: a national dispute fund, and all that money helps helps

1256
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:06,280
Speaker 11: us help our members. Some of our members in this

1257
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:10,439
Speaker 11: dispute are incredibly low paid because we represent all grades.

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Speaker 11: There are these rumors that we've got very exaggerated salaries,

1259
01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:18,760
Speaker 11: but they're not true, I can assure you. So if

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01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:22,000
Speaker 11: anyone can support our National strike Fund, that would be

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01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:25,519
Speaker 11: much appreciated. But yeah, that's about me, thank you.

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Speaker 6: So that is Matthew Bullredatt, a train operator and general

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Speaker 6: secretary of the Versailles branch of the CGT union, calling

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Speaker 6: in from France, and Clayton Clive calling in from England.

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Speaker 6: Clayton is a train conductor and he is also currently

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Speaker 6: serving as the branch Secretary for the RMT Manchester South Branch,

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Speaker 6: Matthieu Clayton. Thank you both so much for joining us

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Speaker 6: today on Breaking Points. As always, we are sending all

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Speaker 6: of our love and solidarity from across the Pond to

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01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:01,400
Speaker 6: you and to all of our brothers, our sisters and

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01:11:01,479 --> 01:11:04,479
Speaker 6: our siblings fighting the good fight. Thank you for watching

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Speaker 6: this segment with Breaking Points, and be sure to subscribe

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01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:10,360
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Speaker 6: the show description. See you soon for the next edition

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Speaker 6: of the Art of Class War. Take care of yourselves,

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Speaker 6: take care of each other. Solidarity forever,