WEBVTT - Chicago Prepares for Occupation 0:00:01.720 --> 0:00:04.960 Cool Zone Media. 0:00:05.760 --> 0:00:09.639 Welcome to it could Happen Here, a podcast where by 0:00:09.960 --> 0:00:13.800 my longtime home city of Chicago is preparing for a 0:00:13.840 --> 0:00:17.919 federal occupation. I am your host, Mio Wong, and with 0:00:17.960 --> 0:00:20.440 me to talk about what the fuck is going on 0:00:20.720 --> 0:00:23.279 about a thing that at the end of last year, 0:00:23.400 --> 0:00:25.360 as bad as we thought this was going to be, 0:00:25.640 --> 0:00:29.360 was basically unimaginable. With me talked about this is Raven, 0:00:29.360 --> 0:00:32.600 who's a journalist from the independent outlet Unraveled in Chicago, 0:00:32.640 --> 0:00:34.879 which does a lot of really really excellent work on 0:00:34.920 --> 0:00:37.120 the ground reporting on social movements in the city. You're 0:00:37.159 --> 0:00:40.520 putting on the government does a bunch of incredible works 0:00:40.560 --> 0:00:43.840 and some really good stuff on shot spatter. Yeah, Raven, 0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:44.600 welcome to the show. 0:00:44.880 --> 0:00:47.360 Yeah, thank you for such a beautiful intro. 0:00:47.760 --> 0:00:49.720 Yeah, thanks, thanks for doing this. I don't know, like 0:00:49.760 --> 0:00:52.360 I'm a really big fan of Unraveled. I think most 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:57.120 of the newspapers in Chicago are like just weird right 0:00:57.120 --> 0:01:01.200 wing rags, and getting actual good news out if the 0:01:01.240 --> 0:01:04.600 city is kind of difficult because it's like. 0:01:06.480 --> 0:01:10.320 Yeah, we we have a good number now, like Digital 0:01:10.560 --> 0:01:13.720 India outlets in the city, but once you get outside 0:01:13.720 --> 0:01:16.640 of Cook Counties, especially you know, the Chicago metro area 0:01:16.760 --> 0:01:20.200 is huge, and like, yeah, it's all like pink slime garbage, 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:22.360 like everything's been bought out. They don't have like real 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:25.600 reporters anymore. So it can be a huge challenge to 0:01:25.600 --> 0:01:29.280 cover things like just in the collar counties, which is 0:01:30.200 --> 0:01:33.840 coincidentally also where a lot of this ice activity might 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:37.199 be happening in the next yep, forty five days, thirty 0:01:37.280 --> 0:01:38.560 days over long it lasts. 0:01:38.760 --> 0:01:42.080 Yeah, so let's I guess from the jump, before we 0:01:42.120 --> 0:01:44.560 get into sort of the kind of long arc of 0:01:45.120 --> 0:01:50.040 ice and the FEDS in in Chicago for the last year, 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:53.720 let's talk about Trump's thing to send in the National 0:01:53.720 --> 0:01:55.640 Guard and stuff the people in the city are really 0:01:55.640 --> 0:01:56.320 concerned about. 0:01:56.680 --> 0:02:01.320 Yeah, well, you know, there's kind of two things happening simultaneously, right. 0:02:01.520 --> 0:02:05.000 Trump is threatening the National Guard, which has been a thing, 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:07.200 Like threatening the National Guard in Chicago has been a 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:09.160 thing with him for like a while, and it can 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:11.960 be very difficult to tease out like what what level 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:14.040 of it is propaganda and what level of it is 0:02:14.080 --> 0:02:17.160 like really happening. Right, But the other more important part 0:02:17.240 --> 0:02:21.919 here is we do know now like conclusively that DHS 0:02:22.160 --> 0:02:25.800 is planning a large operation in like Los Angeles style. 0:02:25.919 --> 0:02:28.959 So everything that's been happening around Lay for the last 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:31.720 few months is moving to Chicago. This is what the 0:02:31.800 --> 0:02:34.400 chief of Border Patrol has said. You know, he just 0:02:34.520 --> 0:02:37.880 put out like a social media video that was saying 0:02:37.919 --> 0:02:40.680 they're trading palm trees for skyscrapers and bringing a few 0:02:40.760 --> 0:02:45.799 hundred guys with dhs ICE Border patrol to Chicago. So 0:02:46.120 --> 0:02:50.560 it's pretty wild. I don't think I've ever seen Border 0:02:50.600 --> 0:02:54.000 Patrol in numbers on the ground here in the Great Lakes. 0:02:54.000 --> 0:02:56.440 We've always known it's like a thing that could conceivably 0:02:56.520 --> 0:03:00.880 happen because we're technically like a border city. Yeah, but 0:03:01.440 --> 0:03:03.440 you know, to be staring at in the face now 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:07.600 like it's real, like it's actually happening, it's obviously feels 0:03:07.600 --> 0:03:10.320 like a real emergency for our communities. 0:03:11.040 --> 0:03:14.120 Yeah. And I think that's the interesting thing, like talking 0:03:14.160 --> 0:03:15.959 to you and then talking to other people on the ground, 0:03:16.000 --> 0:03:20.280 is that, like the National Guard deployment is what's getting 0:03:20.440 --> 0:03:23.920 all of the press right, and people really aren't that 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:27.160 worried about it, it's worth pointing out. So we're recording 0:03:27.200 --> 0:03:32.600 this on the morning of like Wednesday, September third. Yeah, 0:03:32.840 --> 0:03:36.720 So it's possible that stuff has changed by the time 0:03:36.800 --> 0:03:40.280 this episode goes out like tonight, because the situation is 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:44.200 shifting really rapidly, right, But you know that there's this 0:03:44.200 --> 0:03:46.440 whole fight over whether the Texas National Guard is being 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:50.000 deployed here on a federal deployment, But people don't really 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:51.680 seem to be worried about the National Guard, and I 0:03:51.720 --> 0:03:53.960 think kind of for good reason. They didn't really. I mean, 0:03:54.000 --> 0:03:56.640 they did some protests stuff, I guess, but like they 0:03:56.720 --> 0:03:59.320 mostly kind of are there to make it look like 0:03:59.320 --> 0:04:03.880 there's troops and street right, while ICE in DHS does 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:05.560 like the most horrific shit. 0:04:06.160 --> 0:04:09.440 Right, that's been sort of the the understanding of what's 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:13.360 happened in Los Angeles, and then in DC it's gone 0:04:13.400 --> 0:04:15.600 a little bit differently, just because they have so many 0:04:15.640 --> 0:04:19.520 FEDS already, so they've been able to do a lot 0:04:19.560 --> 0:04:23.400 of traffic stops in these little fed tactical teams. So 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:26.839 you'll have like some FBI guys, some DA guys, maybe 0:04:26.880 --> 0:04:29.840 like an HSI guy I just read and wappoo the 0:04:29.880 --> 0:04:33.480 other day, they've crashed like six cars in DC. I mean, 0:04:33.520 --> 0:04:36.360 like it's it's really dangerous that kinds of stops. These 0:04:36.360 --> 0:04:39.279 guys are executing their jumpouts. Right. It's not like officer 0:04:39.360 --> 0:04:42.880 friend and like pulling you over a license and registration please. 0:04:42.920 --> 0:04:45.720 You know, it's like really violent and they're in on 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:48.719 mark cars and they're like trying to suffice people. So 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:51.880 that is you know. Also, what we're expecting to see 0:04:51.920 --> 0:04:58.839 alongside like the ice operations is these fed teams crawling 0:04:58.880 --> 0:05:01.480 through the city. You know, I don't know when they're 0:05:01.480 --> 0:05:03.800 going to be doing what where, but like I said, 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:07.240 the Chicago Land area, you know, the suburb everything around, 0:05:07.320 --> 0:05:09.839 it's very big. Yeah, you know, there's every indication this 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:13.360 isn't going to be centralized just to like downhunt. 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:16.120 Chicag Yeah, And like I think there's something that's kind 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:18.560 of hard to understand if you're not from Chicago, but 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:23.400 like even just the city proper is massive. Yeah, right, 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:24.920 Like it takes like I mean, I haven't driven it 0:05:24.920 --> 0:05:26.160 in a long time, but like I think, I think 0:05:26.200 --> 0:05:27.800 if you're trying to go from like the top of 0:05:27.839 --> 0:05:29.360 like the North Side to like the bottom of the 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:33.080 South Side, that's like hour and a half two hour drive, right, 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:35.000 It's massive, right, And this. 0:05:35.480 --> 0:05:39.479 Naval station where they're basing operations isn't even in the city. 0:05:39.520 --> 0:05:42.719 It's two hours north than of different county. Yeah, so 0:05:43.320 --> 0:05:45.200 there are a lot of questions right now. I don't 0:05:45.200 --> 0:05:47.919 have the answers. Nobody's gonna know until it starts. But 0:05:48.120 --> 0:05:49.640 you know, there are a lot of questions now just 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:52.160 kind of like how far into the city are there 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:56.680 even going to go? You know, it's obviously you know 0:05:56.760 --> 0:05:58.640 what we've seen out in Los Angeles with these like 0:05:58.760 --> 0:06:03.000 larger like workplaces like car washes and home depot and stuff, 0:06:03.440 --> 0:06:07.040 it's really difficult to imagine them executing something like that 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:09.599 in the city. I'm not going to say they couldn't try, 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:12.240 but they would obviously need a lot of backup from 0:06:12.240 --> 0:06:15.320 Border patrol. Yeah, to try something like that, even in 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:17.359 the suburbs, which is what we saw in La you know, 0:06:17.360 --> 0:06:19.800 that's who showed up those first few days when they 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:22.080 were like tear gassing the fuck out of everybody and 0:06:22.120 --> 0:06:24.800 it was just like crazy. You know, that was Border Patrol. 0:06:26.040 --> 0:06:28.960 So what our eyes are on is something like that. 0:06:29.000 --> 0:06:32.200 And to your point about the National Guard and the press, 0:06:32.240 --> 0:06:35.520 you know, it's part of the issue is like the politicians, 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:38.600 the electeds, like they can't say no to the fence. 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:41.120 They can't say no to Ice, like Ice is coming, 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:44.760 DHS is coming. No matter what they do, the guard 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:47.240 is a little more of like a political football for them, 0:06:47.279 --> 0:06:50.440 and and Pritzker can push back, and there's like you know, 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:54.560 the arguments about sending one states troops into another, and 0:06:54.640 --> 0:06:57.280 so there's more legal options, you know, all this stuff, right, 0:06:57.360 --> 0:07:02.120 But the FBI already has field office here, I already 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:04.600 has field offices here. You know, Like there's there's just 0:07:04.839 --> 0:07:08.160 I think also just a disconnect there because of like 0:07:08.680 --> 0:07:11.200 the way the news reporting works is like, well, we're 0:07:11.240 --> 0:07:14.720 reporting on what the public officials are saying. Governor Pretsker 0:07:14.760 --> 0:07:19.640 did say pretty clearly actually like well DHS is coming. 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:21.840 You know, Ice is going to do these operations and 0:07:22.120 --> 0:07:24.360 we don't improve it, but we can't stop it. 0:07:25.040 --> 0:07:27.520 Yeah, And I think before we get more into that, 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:30.320 I want to pivot to talk about what the presence 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:34.880 of ICE has been in Chicago already. And I want 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:39.080 to kind of like roll the clock back to right 0:07:39.160 --> 0:07:42.000 before kind of like I think, like the literally the 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:46.200 weekend before the big confrontations in LA started, there was 0:07:46.240 --> 0:07:48.800 a pretty big raid at a check in and a 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:50.440 bunch of stuff happened with that. I was wondering if 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:51.600 you could talk about that a bit. 0:07:52.120 --> 0:07:54.400 Yeah, it was around the time when things popped off 0:07:54.440 --> 0:07:57.520 and early I don't remember precisely, but around then. 0:07:57.520 --> 0:07:59.360 Yeah, yeah, I think it was like right before. 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:02.160 Yeah, you know, they have these stuck in sights where 0:08:02.200 --> 0:08:04.320 people have to go and some of them are on 0:08:04.520 --> 0:08:07.400 like electronic monitoring and some non and they check in 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:09.880 with ICE, and so it was like an ambush, right 0:08:10.000 --> 0:08:12.600 Like people showed up and then they were like, oh, 0:08:12.640 --> 0:08:17.240 we're actually like kidnapping you. And it was very very 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:20.679 ugly of course, you know, like agents ripping people away 0:08:20.760 --> 0:08:24.040 from their families and friends. And we had some local 0:08:24.080 --> 0:08:26.400 electeds like trying to get in the way of the van, 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:30.960 and Chicago police of course showed up. And then there 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:34.439 was this whole back and forth over whether the police 0:08:34.440 --> 0:08:35.680 really assisted. 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:35.760 ICE or not. 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:38.600 And I mean they were there and they did crowd control. 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:40.120 Yeah, they definitely did. 0:08:41.040 --> 0:08:45.960 Like you know, it's it's very interesting what's happening with 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:48.560 CPD and ICE right now, because like, at the end 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:51.600 of the day, cops are lazy above all else too write, 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:55.280 you know, and so there's this kind of tension of like, well, 0:08:55.320 --> 0:08:58.480 we support what ICE is doing and ideologically, like, of 0:08:58.480 --> 0:09:01.199 course the cops are aligned with ICE, but they also 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:03.360 like don't want to get out of their car, you know, 0:09:03.520 --> 0:09:06.400 so it's kind of any any excuse they have not 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:09.800 to do something, they will take. So it's not that 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:14.120 we've seen them assisting with like enforcement removal operations, but 0:09:14.200 --> 0:09:16.400 of course if there's a protest, they're going to show 0:09:16.480 --> 0:09:20.600 up and police that. And then also, like data sharing 0:09:20.760 --> 0:09:22.760 is a huge issue there. I mean, like with fusion 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:26.440 centers and with like block license plate data visas everything. 0:09:26.480 --> 0:09:30.480 There's just the information is is so porous between local 0:09:30.480 --> 0:09:33.120 cops and the FEDS that it's just kind of absurd 0:09:33.360 --> 0:09:35.800 on a space to even think that they're like not 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:39.320 sharing information. Some of these cops are on task forces 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:42.120 and they have like group chats together, you know, with 0:09:42.320 --> 0:09:45.920 DA and FBI agents, right, so it's all it's all connected, 0:09:46.040 --> 0:09:49.400 it's all porous. They're already working with the Feds, you know, 0:09:49.440 --> 0:09:55.040 it's just they can't visibly be seen assisting with immigration enforcement. 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:58.760 But yeah, that was that was a really stramotizing day 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:01.280 for community. Like an organ er here who was well 0:10:01.320 --> 0:10:06.120 known was taken and she was a grandmother, so she 0:10:06.160 --> 0:10:08.560 had a family here too. You know, so it was brutal. 0:10:08.640 --> 0:10:11.120 And then around that time that that was happening, also 0:10:11.240 --> 0:10:17.080 I started escalating russ at the Immigration Court downtown, which 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:21.480 went on for a while and ultimately was stopped by 0:10:21.640 --> 0:10:25.560 protesters continuing to show up and just have a presence there. 0:10:25.640 --> 0:10:28.800 You know, these guys are terrified of being docks terrified. 0:10:28.800 --> 0:10:31.520 I mean, they just they really don't want to be filmed. 0:10:31.559 --> 0:10:35.240 And it's been a very different situation here in our 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:38.439 courthouse versus New York's because I've seen so much photography 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:40.959 out of the New York Immigration Court. For whatever reason, 0:10:40.960 --> 0:10:43.760 they allowed photos there, but they don't inside of ours. 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:47.040 But you know, protesters started showing up there. I mean, 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:48.440 we had been their documentary what. 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:48.839 Was going on. 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:52.840 Slowly people started trickling in, showing up and protesting, and 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:56.280 eventually people started then taking it to like actually walking 0:10:56.320 --> 0:11:00.360 the driveway that they were using a private parking garage 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:02.560 belonging to the building, and so they were like going 0:11:02.640 --> 0:11:05.520 underground and then like waiting and then using the great elevator. 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:09.640 It was like the whole operation. But ultimately the building 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:11.839 put their flick on and ban them. You know, they 0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:15.000 got a lot of complaints from tenants. People didn't like 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:17.960 that the protests were going on shore, but people also 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:21.360 were like in the building, people were ICE using our 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:25.040 frad Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:11:25.160 --> 0:11:28.959 Used the power against them, deploy every weapon. 0:11:28.920 --> 0:11:33.240 Exactly, exactly exactly. It was. It's kind of like, uh, 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:36.600 you know, diversity of tactics thing there where It's like, 0:11:36.840 --> 0:11:39.199 the people who owned property in this building, aren't you 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:42.280 super aligned with the like people trying to block ICE stands, 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:46.480 But at that moment they joined Yeah, and you know, 0:11:46.640 --> 0:11:49.679 so so that that was happening. And like while all 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:52.040 of this is happening, of course ICE is still doing 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:56.959 more dispersed traffic stops, arresting people at their homes. It's 0:11:57.000 --> 0:12:00.520 it's been happening. It's happening all over out in Elgin, 0:12:00.640 --> 0:12:04.160 out in Waukegan, which is up by the base of operations, 0:12:04.200 --> 0:12:07.040 you know, where they're setting up all of these operations 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:10.400 for what's coming this week. Waukegan, North Chicago and that 0:12:10.559 --> 0:12:12.880 area of the county. There are a ton of imfants 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:18.360 and they're not surrounded by necessarily like super progressive, super 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:22.400 friendly people. Some can be I mean, the politics in 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:24.959 the North Shore, it's very like purple like it's weird. 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:27.160 It's like you can have super progressive people, but then 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:29.559 also like it can be out in the boonie somewhere 0:12:29.640 --> 0:12:33.319 you'll see like Trump science. So it's it's not as 0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:36.720 sympathetic as being in Enoughtown Chicago for sure. Yeah, and 0:12:36.800 --> 0:12:39.280 so there's a lot of concern from people up around 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:42.840 the base about what's going to happen in those communities 0:12:42.880 --> 0:12:46.400 because there's much less coverage, too much less eyes on them. 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:47.000 Yep. 0:12:47.320 --> 0:12:49.480 I want to I want to talk more about sort 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:53.040 of what enforcement has been looking like in outlying areas 0:12:53.120 --> 0:12:55.679 and what it's going to look like. But first we 0:12:55.720 --> 0:13:10.160 need to go to ads and we are back, so 0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:13.280 I wanna I kind of I want to follow the 0:13:13.360 --> 0:13:16.240 train that you've been on about the stuff in the 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:19.440 center of the city versus the stuff in the outlying 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:23.960 areas and across Chicagoland in general, which is also just massive, 0:13:24.800 --> 0:13:28.800 unbelievably large geographic area. It has unbelievably large numbers of people, 0:13:29.360 --> 0:13:34.360 and also the concentrations get way smaller really quickly, And 0:13:34.440 --> 0:13:37.599 I think, I don't know, it seems like the resistance 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:41.520 inside of the city proper had been pretty effective in 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:43.320 a lot of ways, just in the sense of like 0:13:44.000 --> 0:13:48.560 shutting down the courthouse raids for the most part. But 0:13:48.720 --> 0:13:53.200 what have things looked like up near like Wakegan and like, yeah, 0:13:53.240 --> 0:13:56.720 in the sort of outlying areas in terms of like 0:13:56.760 --> 0:13:58.720 resistance and in terms of cooperation. 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:02.760 Yeah, I mean I've seen videos out of those places, 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:06.640 you know, really harrowing scenes like traffic stops where they're 0:14:06.679 --> 0:14:12.960 separating people from their families, showing up at people's homes. 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:16.640 Usually what's happening is we're not hearing you got it 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:20.960 until after the facts. And in the city there are 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:24.800 like quid response groups going by different neighborhoods. But I 0:14:24.840 --> 0:14:28.280 think in general sometimes it just doesn't feel very rapid 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:32.160 because it's people are are vetting, they're verifying. There's a 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:34.040 lot of false alarms. You know, there's a lot going on. 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:37.400 So that's what I've seen that's happened out out in 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:40.640 the Burns. You know, it's kind of, like I said, 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:43.080 kind of a black hole for news out there too. 0:14:43.280 --> 0:14:45.600 It's not always easy to get information. You know. We 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:49.960 also had a case of like an ice agent detaining 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:54.960 a woman with her child at like a well, it 0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:58.440 wasn't an agent, it was a contractor contact are working 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:03.080 for Ice detaining an arrest tee out at an hotel 0:15:03.240 --> 0:15:07.360 by Ohare Airport. That's something that that people aren't concerned 0:15:07.360 --> 0:15:10.280 about in a more general sense too right now, because 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:13.560 we actually literally just this morning, we're looking at a 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:15.920 letter from the mayor of broad View, Illinois, which is 0:15:15.920 --> 0:15:19.600 where our processing center is, outlining how they're going to 0:15:19.680 --> 0:15:22.040 be operational seven days a week for the next forty 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:25.400 five days, which to me implies like thousands of arrests 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:30.080 potentially happening, and that facility is not set up. It's 0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:34.000 not a long term detention center. Yea Overnight detention is 0:15:34.200 --> 0:15:37.680 banned in Illinois, so people have been kept there longer 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:41.320 than they technically are allowed to even with like without 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:44.720 some huge surge happening. So it kind of thinking about 0:15:44.720 --> 0:15:47.760 what's potentially coming and then using that center, it kind 0:15:47.800 --> 0:15:50.880 of follows that, yeah, there could be more contractors keeping 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:53.960 people in hotels like dispersed around, like there's just not 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:58.000 enough space at that facility to keep up with that. 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:01.640 And so because there are also in the like ice 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:06.240 logistics chain, because like people have to be they can't 0:16:06.280 --> 0:16:07.920 be kept here long term, so they have to go 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:11.560 to Gary Airport to fly out somewhere or detention center 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:13.840 in Indiana or Wisconsin or Michigan. 0:16:14.480 --> 0:16:16.360 So I guess there's a couple of things, kinds of 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:18.400 sort of resistant stuff I want to ask about. I remember, 0:16:18.480 --> 0:16:21.480 like got back in like twenty eighteen. I remember there 0:16:21.480 --> 0:16:23.680 was a bunch of efforts to like block deportation flights 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:27.160 out of the airport. Has up been still going no, 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:27.800 I mean. 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:33.200 There was a protest at Gary Airport very early on 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:36.960 in the year. Actually it was like right after Trump 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:41.720 was inaugurated. I think I know a photographer was arrested 0:16:42.200 --> 0:16:45.280 some protesters. It was really random. It was like towards 0:16:45.320 --> 0:16:47.800 the end of the protest, Gary police just decided to 0:16:47.920 --> 0:16:51.240 like grab and arrest the few people. And since then, 0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:55.120 I have not heard of any more protests or attempt 0:16:55.240 --> 0:16:59.160 or attempts at intervention at Gary Airport. I mean, obviously 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:02.200 it's not Chicago thin Gary, so you know, the smaller 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:05.720 community there people will have to travel to. I don't 0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:09.080 know if deportation, if any deportation flights are leaving from O'Hare. 0:17:09.440 --> 0:17:12.479 I don't believe so, but don't quote me on that. 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:13.160 I'm not sure. 0:17:13.880 --> 0:17:16.080 Yeah, And it's ALTI like I feel like O'Hair is 0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:19.320 kind of a soft target for that in the sense of, like, 0:17:19.520 --> 0:17:21.240 I mean, it's annoying to get there, but like there 0:17:21.280 --> 0:17:24.760 is just a rail line that runs it directly into 0:17:24.880 --> 0:17:26.679 O'Hare and you can flood it with a bunch of 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:29.680 people pretty easily, like what happened to like the beginning 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:30.520 of Trump. 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:32.920 One, Right, we haven't seen anything like that yet. 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:36.640 Yeah, yeah, But it's also like I wonder if they're 0:17:36.640 --> 0:17:39.760 still thinking about that in terms of like the flight logistics, 0:17:40.480 --> 0:17:42.879 in terms of flight running stuff primarily through Gary. 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:46.240 Oh I see, yeah, that might be why. 0:17:46.480 --> 0:17:50.320 Yeah. The other thing I'm wondering about is like, Okay, 0:17:50.359 --> 0:17:53.520 so I guess it looks like right now with the 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:56.880 information we have, that they're planning to run their operations 0:17:56.880 --> 0:18:01.040 out of that military base. But everything that I've seen 0:18:01.119 --> 0:18:03.159 has been talking about like the National Guard operating out 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:04.959 of that base. But do we know where the FEDS 0:18:04.960 --> 0:18:06.920 are supecially operating out of. 0:18:07.560 --> 0:18:10.000 The Feds are operating out of the base. The National 0:18:10.000 --> 0:18:14.320 Guard will will potentially operate out of the base if 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:16.680 they come, but we don't have a lot of details 0:18:16.800 --> 0:18:19.359 on like un National Guard employment. And the other thing 0:18:19.400 --> 0:18:21.800 to keep in mind is like the National Guard are 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:25.240 all younger people. Typically is a lot of young people 0:18:26.000 --> 0:18:28.119 and they have like families and things. So that kind 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:31.919 of information, like a deployment right of like platoon or 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:35.879 several platoons whatever, the worst of National Guard, it's not 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:38.520 going to stay secret for very long, right like, because 0:18:38.800 --> 0:18:42.320 we would know. So I have not seen anything yet 0:18:42.440 --> 0:18:47.399 as a twelve thirty noon on Wednesday indicating that the 0:18:47.480 --> 0:18:51.560 National Guard specifically has rolled into that base. That could 0:18:51.680 --> 0:18:53.920 change at any point, you know, I don't know what's 0:18:53.960 --> 0:18:56.080 happened in the last hour that I have checked the news. 0:18:56.720 --> 0:18:59.600 But what we do know is that the DHS Operation 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:04.000 Customs and Border Protection, the FEDS that are coming, they 0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:07.919 are setting up abasive operations at that naval station, and 0:19:08.480 --> 0:19:12.240 the Navy said that they denied them lodging and that 0:19:12.280 --> 0:19:14.520 they have to stay elsewhere like hotel. 0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:14.879 Wise. 0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:16.600 I don't know how that will work because that's like 0:19:16.800 --> 0:19:19.800 several hundred people. I guess they're going to have to 0:19:19.840 --> 0:19:22.520 disperse a lot around the suburbs in order to do that. 0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:24.760 And I don't know the reason for the denial for 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:27.119 the lodging. It could simply be they literally don't have space. 0:19:27.200 --> 0:19:29.800 You know, people are actually like training there, like military 0:19:29.840 --> 0:19:32.920 and Navy and stuff. It's not like it's just empty, 0:19:33.119 --> 0:19:36.960 so they might not have had capacity for that, but 0:19:37.600 --> 0:19:41.199 supposedly they're going to be doing office space there. I 0:19:41.200 --> 0:19:43.639 think the letter also mentioned they can do laundry there, 0:19:43.680 --> 0:19:49.199 emails like stuff like that. But but yeah, I mean 0:19:49.280 --> 0:19:52.760 that's that's like something that of course people have eyes 0:19:52.800 --> 0:19:55.480 on because if you can locate a hotel where people 0:19:55.520 --> 0:19:58.000 are saying, you know, that's like a pressure point. 0:19:58.560 --> 0:20:01.639 Yeah. I think I think that's an interesting point that 0:20:02.320 --> 0:20:04.399 comes back to something you were saying earlier, which is 0:20:04.400 --> 0:20:07.240 like it really looks like this is a lot of 0:20:07.280 --> 0:20:09.320 this is going to be targeted on the places close 0:20:09.359 --> 0:20:12.959 to the base, just because like if they're really like 0:20:13.080 --> 0:20:16.679 two hours out from the city, it's like pretty difficult 0:20:16.840 --> 0:20:23.040 to do raids further right into the city just onto 0:20:23.119 --> 0:20:25.720 logistical level, and just like I don't know, just just 0:20:25.760 --> 0:20:28.440 in terms of like dealing with Chicago traffic. 0:20:29.359 --> 0:20:29.960 It's like. 0:20:31.760 --> 0:20:34.240 I don't want to exclude it as a possibility. 0:20:34.400 --> 0:20:36.200 Yeah, it's definitely possible, but it's like I. 0:20:36.200 --> 0:20:40.719 Just think when we look at inner city or urban policing, 0:20:41.119 --> 0:20:45.000 there are certain tactics that like local police use that 0:20:45.359 --> 0:20:48.840 we see the FEDS also using right like these unmarked cars, 0:20:48.960 --> 0:20:52.760 more covert operations, trying to move really quickly and get 0:20:52.760 --> 0:20:56.120 in it and out because they know that it's such 0:20:56.160 --> 0:20:59.960 a denser area and if rapid response shows up, people say, 0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:03.480 showing up, then can get unsafe you know, for them 0:21:03.560 --> 0:21:06.840 as cops. And so we just we do know that 0:21:06.920 --> 0:21:09.960 those tactics work. We know that this is how they've 0:21:10.000 --> 0:21:14.720 been doing operations so far. With more DHS agents and 0:21:14.960 --> 0:21:18.040 more customs and border production backup, could they try for 0:21:18.119 --> 0:21:22.240 something bigger in the city, I mean yes, Like we 0:21:22.280 --> 0:21:24.040 don't want to rule that out, trust me, Like it 0:21:24.119 --> 0:21:28.199 definitely could happen. But I think given the numbers that 0:21:28.240 --> 0:21:30.919 they are trying to reach at this point, what we 0:21:31.000 --> 0:21:34.280 have to prepare for is being really dispersed and just 0:21:34.480 --> 0:21:37.680 kind of everywhere, you know, like and like that traffic 0:21:37.760 --> 0:21:41.359 like you mentioned, you know, it's yeah, it's like obviously 0:21:41.440 --> 0:21:43.680 if they're driving like three in the morning or something, 0:21:43.720 --> 0:21:46.640