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Speaker 1: Hello Texans, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: Mark Vandermere, John Harris with you in the Hot Day

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Speaker 2: Texans Radio studio and joining us because it's Thursday, we

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Speaker 2: like to have them on. It's the General, the Hall

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Speaker 2: of Famer John McLain with us, and we'll talk about

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Speaker 2: the doc and how well it's doing General a little

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Speaker 2: bit later on, but let's talk football first, as we

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Speaker 2: are two weeks away from draft night, as your Houston

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Speaker 2: Texans will pick late in the first round. General, right

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Speaker 2: off the bat, do they pick late in the first

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Speaker 2: round or will they trade out of the first round

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Speaker 2: or will they move up pick one?

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Speaker 1: Good evening, what do you think.

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Speaker 3: I's all over under a three point five on Casario

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Speaker 3: trades and everybody taking me over. I think you'll trade

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Speaker 3: out and get an extra second rounder and pick up

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Speaker 3: something maybe next year when the draft is supposed to

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Speaker 3: be great, and so I think they'll trade out. I

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Speaker 3: have three and I hope they get two offensive linemen

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Speaker 3: and a defensive tackle in the first two rounds. But

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Speaker 3: I do not expect Causario to stand pat.

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Speaker 4: He definitely won't do that. But generally I saw and

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Speaker 4: I can't remember. I think maybe be Jordan Schultz, but

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Speaker 4: it's kind of been thrown out there a little bit.

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Speaker 4: Presume that this will be a draft with a lot

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Speaker 4: of trades, and I kind of get it, and I

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Speaker 4: kind of don't because typically you're trading for quarterbacks. Maybe

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Speaker 4: some edge rushers I could maybe see, but there aren't

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Speaker 4: gonna be many quarterbacks you're trading for. I don't understand

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Speaker 4: totally why this is a draft in which you would

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Speaker 4: see a ton of trades, But do you kind of

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Speaker 4: see it that way general, that it could be a

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Speaker 4: first round that's got a number of trades and movement

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Speaker 3: John and Mark, what's a lot of trades? We see

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Speaker 3: so many trades every year? Yeah, And I don't know

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Speaker 3: if he's talking about I read it as being the

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Speaker 3: entire draft. Yeah, and there's there's always so many, you know,

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Speaker 3: I expect there's going to be just like always a

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Speaker 3: Nick Asario to be leading the charge because Nick likes

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Speaker 3: to make trades and he's made so many good ones.

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Speaker 3: And I know for fans celebrations, you know, they'd rather

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Speaker 3: like last year. But at this point people trust Nick

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Speaker 3: so much. And if he didn't make trades, then we'd

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Speaker 3: wonder if he's got a fever.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, probably, we'd wonder if there's something wrong with him.

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Speaker 2: He's got to make trades. It's just in his blood.

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Speaker 3: Well the doctor.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he wants to move up and down that board.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk more about the draft as the program progresses

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Speaker 2: here general. This week, fifth year options picked up on

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Speaker 2: c J. Stroud and Will Anderson Junior. The shocker would

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Speaker 2: have been if either played didn't have his fifth year

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Speaker 2: option picked up. So this is just an extension of

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Speaker 2: the night you drafted them in twenty twenty three. You

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Speaker 2: knew this was going to happen. What we don't know

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Speaker 2: is extensions, what they will be like, what are we thinking?

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Speaker 2: What are they thinking, especially with CJ. Don't know, but

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Speaker 2: thoughts on the fifth year options being scooped up by

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Speaker 2: the Texans one of.

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Speaker 3: The biggest non stories I've saying. Of course it's big

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Speaker 3: I think they'll make Will Anderson Jr. Dives paid defensive

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Speaker 3: I also think they will not do Stroud and they

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Speaker 3: effective running game. I think that is the biggest priority

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Speaker 3: of the off seasons. They need to run the ball

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Speaker 3: better than they did last season, and that's one reason

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Speaker 3: they traded for David Montgomery and signed Why Teller, who's

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and there are a lot of people that live

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Speaker 4: in that world, that's for sure. General. As I've kind

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Speaker 4: of looked at you mentioned earlier what you thought they

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Speaker 4: The people that think, well, you know you got enough.

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Speaker 4: You probably still need some young pieces on both the interiors,

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Speaker 4: on both offense and defense. But if you had the

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Speaker 4: of down to every running back other than Engineeria Price

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Speaker 4: in every tight end. Which way would you lean for

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Speaker 3: I would want an interior offensive lineman, or i'dn't want

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Speaker 3: If they don't add some influx of young talent, there's

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Speaker 3: So the odds are both those guys are gonna miss times.

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Speaker 3: You have to have guys developing behind them ready to go.

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Speaker 3: Remember Ariantae Urse they started to right tackle last year

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Speaker 3: but that's what I wish they would do. I wish

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Speaker 3: they would have so manuch talent in the offensive line,

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Speaker 3: it would be really difficult to make the cuts they're

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Speaker 3: he hasn't taken two defensive linemen among their first three picks,

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Speaker 3: And I'd be stunned if that happens. And there's no

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Speaker 3: and based on what we saw last year with Tonny

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Speaker 3: and then it wasn't until about the midway part he

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Speaker 3: the season we're like, that guy's a starter. All he

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Speaker 3: does is make plays. Now he's going to be in

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Speaker 3: the last year of his contract. It wouldn't surprise me

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Speaker 3: linemen because they can't have too many. And but defense

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Speaker 3: is not what's hurting this team. It was the offense.

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Speaker 3: And to get beyond where they did last year, the

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Speaker 3: offense has to improve, not the defense.

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Speaker 1: Amen at that point.

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Speaker 4: At that point in general, ball carriers they've got to improve.

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Speaker 4: They've got to add a piece. And that's why I

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Speaker 4: asked you about running back or tight end. If you

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Speaker 4: had to choose between one, which one would you prioritize

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Speaker 4: in this draft? A running back or a tight end?

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Speaker 3: I would they need a tight end to play with Schultz,

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Speaker 3: who can catch, who's a real threat, like Schultz says,

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Speaker 3: they don't have one. But on the other hand, you

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Speaker 3: got to figure Woody Marks was durable, is a rookie

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Speaker 3: and very impressive. He should be better. They made the

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Speaker 3: move for David Montgomery. Montgomery is a really good back

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Speaker 3: inside of the five yard line, which is one reason

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Speaker 3: they got him. I am never sorry to see them

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Speaker 3: get it back, but right now they need that backup

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Speaker 2: And then Brevin Jordan figures in because if he can

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Speaker 2: come back strong. And that's a big if because he's

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Speaker 2: missed back to back seasons with season ending early injuries.

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Speaker 1: We'll see how that goes. General.

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Speaker 2: Back to the defense here, I'm with you one hundred percent.

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Speaker 2: You've got to make sure you have things squared away

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Speaker 2: you will, although you are looking depth at spots. When

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Speaker 2: the Dexter Lawrence trade talk came up, I think every

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Speaker 2: team in every market goes through this, Hey, would.

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Speaker 1: We want him? Well, a lot of guys were saying, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we'd love them.

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Speaker 2: Of course you'd love Dexter, but he's expensive and it would.

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Speaker 1: Cost a lot to get him. And then you got him,

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Speaker 1: and you got pay him.

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Speaker 3: Last year and he was injured and he's going to

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Speaker 3: he was hurt. He pat when I was on Wednesday

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Speaker 3: Night every week with Patrick Cragon and Sean Bezani, and

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Speaker 3: Patrick grew up a big Giants fan, so he's like,

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Speaker 3: oh man, can they get Lawrence. I said, why would

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Speaker 3: they want to do that? Would you get it him

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Speaker 3: give him a big contract at the expense of Kamari

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Speaker 3: They're not stupid. There's no guarantee Lawrence wouldn't come in

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Speaker 3: here on another contract after one year, and the Giants

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Speaker 3: are trying to rebuild. They're trying to win. And just

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Speaker 3: and make him one of the top paid defensive tackles

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Speaker 3: when he certainly didn't deserve it based on last season.

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Speaker 3: I was listening to Jordan Schultz on NFL Radio going

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Speaker 3: a lot of plays. So he may turn out to

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Speaker 3: go to the Hall of Fame, but right now I

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Speaker 3: wouldn't touch him.

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Speaker 4: All I know is I saw that dude single handedly

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Speaker 4: beat us in twenty twenty two. I know that, but

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Speaker 4: you guys pointed it out there's allocation of resources.

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Speaker 1: Yep. You know.

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Speaker 4: You can go buy the Lamborghini and then live in

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Speaker 4: a shoebot, or you can spread the resources around and

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Speaker 4: can go get your Lamborghini and live in a shoe box.

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Speaker 4: Like I said, I mean, it's either way. General, speaking

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Speaker 4: of defensive linemen, defensive end, Miles Garrett had his contract

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Speaker 4: kind of reconfigured to renegotiated either way. There's been a

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Speaker 4: lot of talk about, well that was so that they

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Speaker 4: could move Miles Garrett. Do you buy that you buy

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Speaker 4: that contract was done to move Miles Garrett for the

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Speaker 4: Cleveland Browns.

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Speaker 3: I think if no, they say it wasn't. He said

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Speaker 3: it wasn't, but they're not gonna admit that, you know,

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Speaker 3: if you would give them two number ones for guys,

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Speaker 3: great player, of course, but and that's a great example

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Speaker 3: of it. One of the greatest pass rushers in history

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Speaker 4: a fascinating process. General, what was that like kind of

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Speaker 3: We have a lot more of those clips. I interviewed

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Speaker 2: We still voted that best draft in the history of

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Speaker 2: to coach Kubiak for a moment, you mentioned general manager.

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Speaker 2: Obviously he's got the credentials that warrant consideration at the

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Speaker 3: Kubiak stays on top of it. I never heard him

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Speaker 3: But Gary, he could tell it's not often we get

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Speaker 3: To listen to me on Mad Dog Entertainment Dot TV.

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Speaker 3: I think next week as well. All the others were doing.

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Speaker 4: shoo there. Wednesday night I did I had Mark do

435
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Speaker 4: blind rankings of Texans trades, and I gave him eight

436
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:58,880
Speaker 4: trades that Texans made throughout the last probably I think

437
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:00,879
Speaker 4: I went back to the shop trade of two thousand

438
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 4: and seven. I couldn't really come up with ones from

439
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Speaker 4: before that because that predates me. But I just couldn't

440
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Speaker 4: come up with any And obviously the last few years

441
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:13,440
Speaker 4: with you know Nick Cassario aka Trader Nick, that there

442
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 4: have been a ton of trades. Which trade that the

443
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Speaker 4: Texans have made. Do you think is the most influential

444
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 4: for the Texans over the years. Is it that Deshaun

445
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,680
Speaker 4: Watson trade to the Browns? Was it the trade up

446
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 4: for Will's Will Anderson.

447
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's about to be the ice played defensive player

448
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 3: in history, even his second and defensive player of the year.

449
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 3: He'll they're going to be really good. Defense will be

450
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Speaker 3: great again. If he stays healthy, he'll have a chance

451
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Speaker 3: to be defensive Player of the Year next season. And uh,

452
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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what it's interesting is I remember Bill

453
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Speaker 3: O'Brien had done something and I got him on the

454
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Speaker 3: phone and as he's getting off, he said, I'm about

455
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:06,919
Speaker 3: to make another trade and people are gonna hate me.

456
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 3: And I'm like, well, whoa click, Well, I call him that.

457
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 3: It wouldn't answer, Well, it was Laramie Tunsil trade. Oh,

458
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,719
Speaker 3: and people based on what he got that was one

459
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Speaker 3: of the worst ever. The Watson trade, of course was big,

460
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 3: and it was and he played great in twenty twenty

461
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 3: at twenty nineteen season, especially that Buffalo playoff came when

462
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 3: he wistoed one of the hardest hits any of us

463
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 3: have ever seen been sandwiched in overtime. That I would

464
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 3: put second behind uh Will Anderson Junior, and I'd have

465
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Speaker 3: to think of others, but I can't imagine there's any

466
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:52,159
Speaker 3: more more important than those two and Laramie. You know,

467
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 3: Laramie made the Pro Bowl. He solidified left tackle. But

468
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 3: they got a really good deal now the second and

469
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Speaker 3: fourth round picks. If they get players who can play

470
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:06,239
Speaker 3: and help them, then boy Casario would have turned that

471
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Speaker 3: deal into a really good one. Plus it allowed him

472
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Speaker 3: to move Ersery up. Tunsil right now is trying to

473
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 3: be the highest paid offensive lineman in history for the

474
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,719
Speaker 3: third time in his career. I ain't adding it at

475
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Speaker 3: his age.

476
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Speaker 2: General one more before we talk about the documentary just

477
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Speaker 2: a little bit here, Troy Aikman and the Dolphins. Aikan

478
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Speaker 2: says he was not offered any similar position with the

479
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Speaker 2: Dallas Cowboys or role with the Cowboys. We already have

480
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 2: Brady as a limited partner of the Raiders with a

481
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 2: whole lot of input there. I don't know what AKMN

482
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,640
Speaker 2: really has with the Dolphins, but it's kind of interesting

483
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 2: to follow all this. As these broadcasters get along, Collinsworth

484
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,680
Speaker 2: is probably wondering, Hey, why can't I get one of

485
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 2: these gigs with a team. Hey Bengals, I'm over here.

486
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Speaker 2: I played for you in Super Bowls?

487
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Speaker 1: What do you think? General?

488
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Speaker 3: I think it's an unbelievable conflict of interest. If I

489
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Speaker 3: were team games, I would not say anything important when

490
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 3: Aikman is in the room talking to the coaches and

491
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 3: the coordinators and the players about strategy, what they think

492
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 3: about players like Brady was bad in twenty twenty four.

493
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Speaker 3: Then they let him come to all those things in

494
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Speaker 3: twenty five, and Aikman laid out exactly why it's a

495
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 3: conflict of interest. I can't believe their organizations let him

496
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 3: do it. He said he wanted the Dolphins to win.

497
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 3: It was and Clarence Hills covered them forever. It was

498
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:38,439
Speaker 3: a great story. Aikman is a smart guy, and I

499
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 3: can't believe he said all that. I'll guarantee you it

500
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:45,719
Speaker 3: was the talk of front offices across the league, and

501
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:50,919
Speaker 3: I'll guarantee you without knowing the callan en are going JJ.

502
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 3: I wonder what it would take for us to get JJ.

503
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,919
Speaker 3: They should go JJ right now because his stock is

504
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 3: skyrocketing and he's going to be already privied all that information.

505
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,120
Speaker 3: I think the NFL's got to come up with something,

506
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 3: you know, talking about well feed eightman bed information. If

507
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,919
Speaker 3: you've got Miami coming up on your schedule, telling this

508
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:18,239
Speaker 3: guy's hert, that guy's this, or then you know, I

509
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 3: just I don't like anything about it.

510
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 2: Okay, General pviil separate, but Equill you were Victoria. You're

511
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 2: kind of going on a tour here with the documentary.

512
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 2: Tell us about it. What's the latest?

513
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,919
Speaker 3: Well, we were hosted Rob Lanch, one of our producers,

514
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 3: set it up. It was called the Lyceum Lecture Series

515
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 3: in downtown Victoria at the Welders Center for the Performing Arts,

516
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 3: which was outstanding. Is put on by Victoria College. They

517
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 3: had a great turnout. We did a we had a

518
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Speaker 3: meet and greet, then we showed the doc. Then we

519
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Speaker 3: I moderated the panel with director Mark Burns, producer Rob Lynch,

520
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 3: Michael Hurd, who wrote the book Thursday Night Lights, the

521
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 3: definitive book about the preview Entner Scholastical League, and Fred McClure,

522
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 3: our narrator from Texas A and M. And we hung

523
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 3: around afterward and the people were so excited and a

524
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 3: preciad And on June teenth, we're going to Corpus for

525
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 3: a similar deal because Corpus had the first integrated state

526
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Speaker 3: champion in Texas history in nineteen sixty. Johnny Rowland, star

527
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Speaker 3: of that team, spent thirty five years in the NFL's

528
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 3: coming down from Saint Louis. We got their quarterback Ramong

529
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 3: and Zalez who's been it was at NASA for decades.

530
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 3: They called him bird Legs when he won that state

531
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Speaker 3: championship because he weighed like one point thirty. And Texas

532
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 3: Sports Hall of Fame's going to have us. We're going

533
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 3: to Canon. We just got to decide when it is

534
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 3: and work it out with them before they get busy.

535
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 3: In July and the LBJ Library and the Bush Library,

536
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 3: we're working with them and then hoping for one in

537
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 3: San Antonio, and I told him, you know, we had

538
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 3: the premiere here on January thirty first, but the documentary

539
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 3: is so much different than that one was. And I

540
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 3: think that Scott Nethery, our executive producer, that we should

541
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 3: have another showing here so people can see how much

542
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 3: the doc at the premiere has changed. And they're still

543
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,239
Speaker 3: working on streaming and all that kind of stuff, but

544
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 3: it's all on Mad Dog Entertainment, not TV.

545
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Speaker 1: All right, General, thanks a lot of the time, as

546
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Speaker 1: all the.

547
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 3: Way with you guys very much, as always.

548
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Speaker 2: All right, Coming up next, we will talk about the draft,

549
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 2: but the history of the Texans Draft. We'll go Texans

550
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 2: top fives. I'll explain what that means. It's coming up

551
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Speaker 2: next here on Texans Radio. We were made in the

552
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Speaker 2: Hunday Texans Radio Studio. Mark Vandermer and John Harris with you.

553
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 2: Great to have you listening. John McClean was just done.

554
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Speaker 2: In the last segment. We are presented by Matris Firm,

555
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556
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 2: Texans Mattress Firm. Okay, Johnny, here's what we're doing. We're

557
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 2: gonna combine rounds number six and seven to get this

558
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 2: Texans top five started. And what we need to do

559
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 2: is come up with the top five players in each round.

560
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 2: But we'll combine six and seven. Do you think that's

561
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 2: fair to combine six and seven and then we'll go

562
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 2: five through one in the coming days. You think that's good?

563
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 2: I think we can do that, all right, So that's

564
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 2: what we're gonna do. Okay, I'm going to give you

565
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 2: some of the candidates here. Let's start in seven here,

566
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 2: so we have to come up with five. Maybe we'll

567
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 2: change our mind on this policy as we go, but

568
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 2: we have some players that are around here, right like

569
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 2: Solomon Byrd and Luke Leche who are drafted on the

570
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 2: seventh round. Let me give you some players that played.

571
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 2: Andre Hall played and he was a seventh round draft choice.

572
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 2: I think he might be an automatic top five, but

573
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 2: we'll see, we'll see. I'll give you some other guys.

574
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 2: We talked about Troy Nolan a bit yesterday. I'm gonna

575
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 2: give you one here, Zach Dials. Zach spent a long

576
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 2: time in the NFL, not necessarily all with the Texans,

577
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 2: of course. David Anderson, that's another one. A seventh rounder,

578
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 2: and let's see what else?

579
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: What else? What else?

580
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 2: Oh did you say? Do you say Derek Newton yet?

581
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 2: I did not say Derek Newton yet? HiT's coming Derek

582
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 2: Newton and man, he could have been a decade long

583
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 2: starter at right tackle, no doubt about it.

584
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: What a large human being.

585
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 2: He was different kind of large human being than Trent Brown,

586
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 2: but a large human being. Nonetheless, that's four right there,

587
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 2: Andre Haw, Zach Diles, David Anderson, Derek Newton. I'm looking

588
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 2: at other names here, Kenny Petway, Hi, BJ Simmons, How

589
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 2: you doing? He's in Houston, Sloan Thomas, no Raheem or no,

590
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 2: oh Chance Pierce. They drafted him as a long snapper

591
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 2: right out of A and M back in the day

592
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 2: styles White who spent some time in the league, and

593
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 2: I remember he had four sacks in a preseason game

594
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 2: in year one. But he's not going to be on

595
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 2: the top five list. And I'm looking Lonnie Valentine Lott

596
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 2: of Rehab Colling the lesbian great to have him as

597
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 2: a Texans legend making appearances, but he's not a top

598
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 2: five guy. In round six and seven, I think I'm

599
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 2: done here for now.

600
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Speaker 4: What do you think Yeah, I think that pretty much

601
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 4: does it for round Round seven seven, Round six gets

602
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 4: kind of.

603
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 2: Interesting, gets tricky here. I'll start with the early years

604
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 2: P D. Fagans. He's got to be on this list.

605
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: PD.

606
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 2: Yes, and took one of the most iconic photos or

607
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 2: is in one of the most iconic photos in Texans

608
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 2: history when he's jumping up on the bullpen section stands

609
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 2: and riling everybody up on battle Red Day. I believe

610
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 2: that was the very first one outstanding picture. Drew Henson, No,

611
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 2: he's not a top five guy, but it's worth mentioning

612
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 2: Drew Henson, who's spent time with Tom Brady at Michigan

613
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 2: at the quarterback position, and they drafted. Hey see, you

614
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 2: can have an have enough quarterbacks. I'm gonna draft a quarterback.

615
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: They have value.

616
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Speaker 2: So let me go on to Charlie Anderson in six.

617
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 2: Won't be a top five guy, but he made some plays. C. C. Brown,

618
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 2: oh Man, some of these names are beautiful. Casey stutterd

619
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Speaker 2: ut Nice, Bryce McCain. He goes on the list. He

620
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 2: goes on the list.

621
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Speaker 4: He goes on the list.

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00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 1: For sure.

623
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 2: He's a candidator. He's a candidate. John Trendon Holiday never

624
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 2: did it. Now, he did do some things for the Broncos,

625
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 2: and he did do some things for the Texans, but

626
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 2: he's not a top five guy. But what do we

627
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,280
Speaker 2: do with David Quisenberry, who was drafted in twenty thirteen

628
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 2: in round six?

629
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Speaker 1: My goodness, he didn't do any what we do?

630
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Speaker 4: There were four sixth round picks in twenty thirteen. Ryan

631
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 4: Griffin was one of those at tight end. Yeah, I

632
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 4: think I would go Ryan Griffin. And you know d

633
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 4: Q has had a long career in the NFL. In fact,

634
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 4: he's still playing in the NFL. Unfortunately the majority of

635
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 4: that has been with other teams. So I think I

636
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 4: would take I'll take Ryan Griffin out of that twenty

637
00:34:58,360 --> 00:34:59,800
Speaker 4: thirteen draft in the sixth round.

638
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 2: Okay, So Ryan Griffin on the list. Quesnenberry's almost in

639
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,280
Speaker 2: another category of guys who spent a long time elsewhere.

640
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,320
Speaker 2: I've not looked up Zach Diles all his years elsewhere,

641
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 2: and also Bryce McCain, But those three share that in common.

642
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 2: It didn't necessarily happen here obviously longer with McCain and Dials,

643
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 2: but not so much with David Quessenberry. Although if you

644
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 2: count his brothers, if he gets the brotherly connection there.

645
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:28,800
Speaker 1: That's pretty strong.

646
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 2: Christian Covington, what do you think, Johnny, Christian Covington, Yes,

647
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 2: all right.

648
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Speaker 4: Cove was was really really good for the time that

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Speaker 4: he was with the Texans. I always felt like, for

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Speaker 4: whatever reason, the coaching staff didn't quite understand the value

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00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 4: of Covington and just and let him walk. And I

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00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 4: never can understand that, because he was never going to

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Speaker 4: be expensive. If he always did what you asked him

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Speaker 4: to do, he made plays. I think Cove is absolutely

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Speaker 4: as good as six round pick. I mean, I thought

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Speaker 4: he had a really good career.

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Speaker 2: Okay, good, I like that. I'm liking this a lot.

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Speaker 2: Let's keep it going here. Duke ged youa four that

659
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 2: never worked out, but he had some talent, right, Peter Kallumbai,

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00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 2: he's a Texans legend, makes appearances, good guy, but he's

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Speaker 2: not gonna be on this list. Roy Lopez still in

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Speaker 2: the league. We talked about him yesterday or the day

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Speaker 2: before whatever, but didn't happen here. But nice to have

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Speaker 2: him around when he was around. Austin deculous he could

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Speaker 2: be back at some point. You never know he's been back.

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Speaker 1: True, he could.

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Speaker 4: He's boomerang back once before, so it could happen again.

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Speaker 4: But the one that stands out to me is Xavier Hutchinson. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: in twenty twenty three, I think hutches stringing together a

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Speaker 4: pretty solid start to his career.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to your four for him, no question.

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00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 2: He's spent three years here already. He's made numerous big catches,

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Speaker 2: including a playoff game unforgettable catch off a CJ. Stroud

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00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 2: miracle throw when he picked up the bobbled snap, ran

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Speaker 2: toward the sideline, just heaved it over the middle into

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Speaker 2: the arms of Xavier Hutchinson.

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Speaker 1: I love that play forever now.

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00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 2: Jared Patterson has something similar to say, as in, I've

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Speaker 2: started a bunch of games for this team over the

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00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 2: three years I've been here so far. I'm still on

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Speaker 2: the roster right now as we speak, and I might

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Speaker 2: still be heard from as a starter.

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Speaker 1: You never know, because this league is this league.

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Speaker 2: And Patterson finds a way to hang around and contribute.

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Speaker 2: So I think I'm gonna put him as a candidate here. Boy,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna have a hard time making these cuts. Jawar

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00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 2: Jordan also now he's got to do more, but he's

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00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 2: still around. Jalen Reed we saw him a little bit

689
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 2: late last year, and Graham Mertz mister August last year

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00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 2: looking good at the quarterback position. All right, so here

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00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 2: are my candidates Ex Patterson, Fagins, McCain, Griffin, Covington, Man,

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Speaker 2: it's even hard to come up with the top five

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Speaker 2: in round six. Let me ask you this, does anybody

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Speaker 2: in round seven bump off the top guys in round six?

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Speaker 2: If we have to come up with a top five

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Speaker 2: all time in round two, six and seven combined, Here

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Speaker 2: are the round seven guys. Andre Howell, Zach Diles, David Anderson,

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Speaker 2: Derek Newton. Any of those guys penetrate the top would

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Speaker 2: be five in round six.

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Speaker 4: I think Derk Newton, Andre Howe are worth consideration for sure.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna circle those names. They're gonna circle those

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Speaker 2: names once again.

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Speaker 1: Here are your names.

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Speaker 2: Ryan Griffin, I think I gotta put him as the

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Speaker 2: top five. I think Ryan Griffin's gonna make it. And

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Speaker 2: who else? X I think ex is gonna make it.

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Speaker 2: There's two, so now we have four. Now here are

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Speaker 2: your candidates for number five on this top five. Covington,

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00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 2: Bryce McCain, Pete Fagan's Questenberry He's not gonna make it. Uh,

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00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 2: he would make it if it was the league career,

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Speaker 2: not the Texas career.

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Speaker 1: Zach Diles.

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Speaker 2: And what did I say, Bryce McCain before, what do

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00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 2: you think here? Who's your fifth? It's Covington McCain. I

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Speaker 2: wrote him down twice. Covington, McCain, Fagans, and Patterson, those

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Speaker 2: are your candidates.

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Speaker 4: I probably would say. Given those, I'd probably say j Patt.

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Speaker 4: I would say Patterson. You know, he started multiple games

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Speaker 4: in three different years as a sixth rounder kind of

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Speaker 4: a I don't say a throw in pick or whatever,

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Speaker 4: but I think I would say Patterson at that point.

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Speaker 2: So basically, what we're saying here is that Casserio has

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Speaker 2: three or two of the top picks in the history

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Speaker 2: of the sixth round in Texans history. Okay, I know

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00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 2: that's redundant, but that's what we're saying here. And he

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Speaker 2: also drafted Deculus, who is definitely on the list somewhere.

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Speaker 1: Not that he's an All world player, but he's still

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Speaker 1: in the league.

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Speaker 2: He's a contributor, he's playing somewhere, and you never know,

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Speaker 2: like we said, he could be back again because that's

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Speaker 2: just the way the league rolls.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think you got to have Newton

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Speaker 4: in that mix. I mean Derek Rick was a seventh rounder.

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Speaker 1: Right, Uh, Derek was a seventh rounder?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Newton, Yeah, so yeah, I mean yeah, there have

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Speaker 4: been some I mean that it's gonna get tougher here

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Speaker 4: sooner when obviously, yeah, you know the draft rankings, but

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Speaker 4: they've done some good things in round six and seven. Now,

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Speaker 4: you know, Nick's got to a point where, eh, seventh rounders,

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Speaker 4: he's not. He somehow is trading out of the seventh

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Speaker 4: which is kind of nice because he gets the undrafted

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Speaker 4: free agent process started. I guess a little bit earlier,

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Speaker 4: but we've seen in this town sixth and seventh round

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Speaker 4: picks make a significant impact, not to mention the undrafted

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Speaker 4: free agents that have come in and made an impact

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Speaker 4: on this particular team, between Mike Brise, ell Airy and Foster,

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Speaker 4: et cetera. But you know that's the top five for

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Speaker 4: a for for another day. But I think what they've

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Speaker 4: been able to and by the way, was it Kaymie Fairbairn.

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Speaker 1: An undrafted free agent? Kaymie was? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Undrafted free agents? I mean, Arian Foster's got to be

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Speaker 2: number one, or is he? Because of what fair Baron

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Speaker 2: has been able to do for your team over the

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Speaker 2: long haul. But Foster, I mean, when you pick up

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Speaker 2: a player at that position as an undrafted guy, he's

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Speaker 2: number one. You expect kickers to largely be undrafted guys.

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Speaker 2: I know you draft some players like the Texans once

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Speaker 2: upon a time drafted Randy Bullock.

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Speaker 4: Yea, and absolutely, but yeah, thing of the guys that

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Speaker 4: are undrafted, So you know, I think what this exercise

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Speaker 4: goes to show is if you can find impact players

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Speaker 4: on Day three at the end of the draft. Now,

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Speaker 4: there have been some that have just completely not worked out,

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Speaker 4: some that have been complete bus but that happens in

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Speaker 4: the first round, happens in all rounds. But you can't

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Speaker 4: find impact players in this in this draft in particular two.

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Speaker 4: But the Texans have made a pretty good habit of

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Speaker 4: doing so in the sixth and seventh round for the

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Speaker 4: last twenty five years.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So that's it.

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Speaker 2: Top five, Round six and seven, and will continue the

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Speaker 2: rounds tomorrow as we go through five to one. But

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Speaker 2: Andre Hall, Derek Newton, Xavier Hutchinson, Jared Patterson, Ryan Griffin,

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Speaker 2: those are your top five and honorable mention.

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Speaker 1: Zach Diles, P D.

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Speaker 2: Fagin's, Bryce McCain, Christian Covington and others coming up. Well,

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Speaker 2: it's that time of year. No more in CAA tournament.

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Speaker 2: The NBA playoffs haven't started yet. We don't have the

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Speaker 2: draft for two weeks. What are we doing people? We'll

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Speaker 2: tell you it's next here on Texans Radio