1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Herd podcast. Be sure to 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: noon to three Eastern nine am to noon Pacific. Find 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: your local station for The Herd at Fox Sports Radio 5 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: dot com, or stream us live every day on the 6 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 2: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. 8 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: Down to eight four games, two Saturday and two Sunday. 9 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 1: Greg Hosel forty six years at NFL Films. He's seen 10 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 1: it all, and we're gonna start with Bears hosting the 11 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: Rams on a frigid night in Chicago. So let's talk Chicago. 12 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 1: What did they change in their approach from the first 13 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: half where they got I mean they could not stop 14 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: anything and struggled moving the ball and finding rhythm, and 15 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: then in the second half, specifically the it's a different game. 16 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: What did they change in their approach against the Packers? 17 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 3: I thought Colin the bigger change came on the defensive 18 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 3: side of the ball. To be honest, I thought Dennis 19 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 3: Allen really increased his pressure quotion. It started on the 20 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:17,119 Speaker 3: third on the first play of the third quarter where 21 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 3: he went with a double corner blitz and he did 22 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 3: a lot more of these pressure concepts in the second half, 23 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 3: and we saw the result there. The Packers had what 24 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 3: a number of three and outs, So to me, that 25 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 3: set the stage for the game. And what happened in 26 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 3: the fourth quarter when you talk about offense, offense to 27 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 3: me is very interesting because obviously we know what happened 28 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 3: on that fourth and seventh completion by Caleb Williams, which 29 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 3: was as good an improvisational throw as you'll ever see. 30 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 3: But then there were other plays where you look at 31 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 3: it and say, nothing special happened other than the Packers 32 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 3: did not execute well on defense. There was a third 33 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:58,559 Speaker 3: and ten play I think on the second touchdown driving 34 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 3: the fourth quarter, where they Packers forced to check down 35 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 3: to Kyle Minonge and it was third and ten and 36 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 3: they just couldn't tackle him and it went for twenty 37 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 3: two yards. 38 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 4: So you know plays like that. 39 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 3: But I obviously the key play in the entire game 40 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 3: in terms of allowing the Bears to win was that 41 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 3: fourth and seventh play, and that was just Caleb Williams 42 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 3: making one of those absolutely special plays, because if that 43 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 3: doesn't happen, it's not likely they win the game. But 44 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 3: I thought in terms of the tactics and schematics of 45 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 3: the game. More was done on the defensive side of 46 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 3: the ball that changed that game. 47 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: So I'm watching Carolina give the Rams trouble for the 48 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 1: second time, and part of me thinks it's a bad matchup. 49 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 1: They have big boundary receivers. Maybe that's it. I just 50 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: look at that matchup, but I'm like, something's not right 51 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: with the Rams. Their defense. Their defense feels like it's 52 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: out of sync. What does it say? What's the film say. 53 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 3: You know one thing I've learned over the year is 54 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 3: Colin and I know you would agree with this. 55 00:02:58,440 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 4: You've watched football for a long time. 56 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 3: When a team has a weakness or an area that's 57 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 3: not a strength, any time that gets exposed. It could 58 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 3: happen in the regular season, but it's more likely to 59 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 3: happen in the playoffs against better teams. 60 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:13,639 Speaker 4: That can be exposed anytime. 61 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 3: And the area of weakness for the Rams are their corners, 62 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 3: and that's one thing that could definitely be a problem 63 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 3: against the Bears. 64 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 4: We know that. 65 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 3: Will it be a problem, we don't know. But if 66 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 3: it is a problem, it wouldn't surprise me at all. 67 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 3: And that is the weakness in their defense. So if 68 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 3: they lose this game, because and again I don't know 69 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 3: how weather will affect the ability to throw the ball, 70 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 3: but if it doesn't affect the ability to throw the 71 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 3: ball and Caleb Williams goes off for three hundred and 72 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 3: forty passing yards against those corners, that would not surprise 73 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 3: me at all. 74 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: San Francisco, Seattle. Yeah, I thought the first drive was majestic. 75 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 1: I thought it was absolutely beautiful. Did the Niners do 76 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: anything different against Philadelphia? I mean, Shanahan, so it's all symphonic, 77 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: It all kind of works. It's just so Yeah, it's 78 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 1: just amazing that they can lose Kittle and still do 79 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: what they do. Did they do anything different against Philadelphia? 80 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 3: Well, they did a couple of things that they don't 81 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 3: normally do that just happened to happen in the game, 82 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 3: starting with the second play when he hit DeMarcus Robinson 83 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 3: for sixty one yards, and then obviously they called that 84 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:27,359 Speaker 3: reverse touchdown, which, as I'm sure you recall, was the 85 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 3: same play they ran in the Super Bowl against the 86 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 3: Chiefs a few years ago. And then he hit Jennings 87 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 3: late in the game later in the game for a 88 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 3: long completion, but you know. To me, I think it's 89 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,720 Speaker 3: more instructive to look back at Week eighteen when these 90 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 3: two teams played. Now, I don't think this game will 91 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 3: play out exactly the same way, but that was a 92 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 3: game in which the Niners on both sides of the 93 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 3: ball Colin were physically handled. Kyle Shanahan for the most part, 94 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 3: as you know, he's not a one play kind of coach. 95 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 3: He doesn't think you know, even though he called this 96 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 3: particular play that we're looking at, and that's because they 97 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 3: were really struggling to run the ball, which has been 98 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 3: the case now for the last two weeks. He called 99 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 3: this play to see if he could just generate some 100 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 3: kind of offense, but they've not been able to run 101 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 3: the ball. But for the most part, Kyle is kind 102 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 3: of a four quarter coach. He builds off plays, so 103 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 3: he needs to run plays. When they played Seattle Week eighteen, 104 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 3: the forty nine ers only ran forty two offensive plays. 105 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 3: That's unheard of in an NFL game, So they never 106 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 3: had a chance to sort of develop an offensive rhythm 107 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:36,039 Speaker 3: and develop pace and tempo. Because when they're at their best, 108 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 3: it's not that they're a big play offense. They're not 109 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 3: driving the ball down the field, but they tend to 110 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:44,039 Speaker 3: control the way the game is played. And that did 111 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 3: not happen against Seattle. And it'll be interesting to see 112 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 3: how this plays out. They got physically handled. You know, 113 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 3: you look at this game and you think, gee, could 114 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:56,919 Speaker 3: that happen again? It could. I guess I'd be surprised 115 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 3: if it does. And I'm certainly not saying San Francisco 116 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 3: is going to win, but they need to be able 117 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 3: to control the game with their offense. 118 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: Is there a Seattle unit on either side that really 119 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 1: matches up with San Francisco? 120 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 4: Well, the defense for Seattle. 121 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:14,840 Speaker 3: I think the two players that do not get enough 122 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 3: credit at all for Seattle's defense are their two defensive tackles, 123 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 3: Leonard Williams and Byron Murphy. 124 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 4: Because it is really hard to. 125 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 3: Run the ball inside against this defense. Those guys can win. Yeah, 126 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 3: these guys can win one on one matchups. Murphy is 127 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 3: phenomenal stalemating and defeating double teams, so it's very very 128 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 3: difficult to run the ball. And Plus the other thing 129 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 3: about Seattle, and this is a Mike McDonald feature of 130 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 3: his defenses is everything starts with a too high safety 131 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 3: structure and they kind of play top down. Even when 132 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 3: they pressure. They play two safeties on the back end, 133 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 3: so it's very hard to get over the top of them. 134 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: When you watch the Texans defense and the Seahawks defense, 135 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: it does feel sometimes they're playing with an extra man, 136 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: even if you fool them. Yeah, you don't have a 137 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:06,600 Speaker 1: lot of space. They they're closing speed, they're lateth their 138 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 1: speed is remarkable. So Buffalo and Denver, Yeah, let's just 139 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: talk Josh. 140 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 4: What did you think? 141 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: What did the film tell you on Josh against the Jags? 142 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 3: Thought it was one of the best games I've ever 143 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 3: seen him play because it was surgical and methodical. It 144 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 3: wasn't the Josh Allen Superman show. It was Josh Allen 145 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 3: throwing the ball from the pocket, controlling the game. None 146 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 3: of us know exactly what a quarterback does at the 147 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 3: line of scrimmage, although a lot of people like to 148 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 3: assume they do. But it looked like he was doing 149 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 3: a lot of things that controlled the game, and I 150 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 3: thought that he was just absolutely surgical. 151 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 4: Colin. 152 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 3: This was not a game where he ran around and 153 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 3: made Josh Allen plays. He made some great throws, but 154 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 3: they were from the pocket. So I thought this was 155 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 3: one of the best games given that he played on 156 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 3: the road against a very good defense. 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Do 173 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 1: you expect Denver's defense to give Josh and the Bills 174 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: offense problems? 175 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:57,959 Speaker 3: Well, I think Denver gives most offensive problems because they're very, 176 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 3: very good, and I think that you know, again, without 177 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 3: being in the head of Joe Brady, I think one 178 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 3: of the things you really have to try to do 179 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 3: through the use of personnel and formations is get Kincaid 180 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:14,839 Speaker 3: and Knox matched on linebackers and safeties. Now, obviously, Vance 181 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 3: Joseph this is not his first rodeo. 182 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 4: He knows that as well. But I think that's what 183 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 4: you have to try to do. Now. 184 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 3: Two defining features of Vance Joseph's defense are they pressure 185 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 3: and they play a lot of man coverage. Now, keep 186 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 3: in mind, and I know it was a year ago, 187 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 3: but coaches tend to coach against coaches because they know 188 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 3: their schemaddics. These teams played and it was in Buffalo, 189 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 3: but they played in the wildcard game last year, and 190 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 3: that was a game where the tight ends Kincaid and 191 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 3: Knox were a factor. So again, Joe Brady knows more 192 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 3: than I do about how to do all that, but 193 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 3: I think that's what you have to try to get 194 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 3: done in this game. Given the lack of you know, 195 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 3: I don't want to say lack of quality, but the 196 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 3: lack certainly the lack of depth at the wide receiver position, 197 00:09:57,520 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 3: for the Bills. 198 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:02,439 Speaker 1: Okay, the Houston defense is a handful. The longest Steeler 199 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:05,079 Speaker 1: drove in the second half was twenty three yards. Now, 200 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: New England's got some interesting wide receivers, Hunter, Henry, a 201 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 1: couple of backs that are pretty good. Not a dominant 202 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: O line. Do you worry about Drake may a kid 203 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 1: in this defense? 204 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a really tough defense. Now, relatively speaking, Colin, 205 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 3: this is not a super complex defense. In many ways, 206 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 3: you could almost even though schematically they're different. In many ways, 207 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 3: they're reminiscent of the Legion of Boom in that they 208 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 3: kind of line up and they play because they're so good. 209 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 3: They predominantly in pure pass situations rush for. They're not 210 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 3: a heavy blitz team, and actually they're not a great 211 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 3: blitzing team when they. 212 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 4: Do blitz, but they rush for. 213 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 3: They play with seven in coverage, and because they're so 214 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 3: good upfront, and obviously Hunter and Anderson on the edge, 215 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 3: but they're very good insight as well. What they often 216 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 3: dictate with offenses is that you have to keep a 217 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 3: back or a tight end to protect, and if you 218 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 3: do that, you end up sending out three wide receivers 219 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 3: and they have seven in coverage. 220 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 4: Now, just one quick point. 221 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 3: One thing I noticed watching the tape last week was 222 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 3: how often Will Anderson, who rarely did this during the 223 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 3: regular season, lined up on the right side of the 224 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 3: defense the left side of the offense. Okay, and one 225 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 3: thing the tape showed in the Patriots game, Will Campbell 226 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 3: struggled a bit last week at left tackle trying to 227 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 3: block Khalil Mack and O Way for the Chargers. So 228 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 3: I'm really looking forward to seeing if the Texans do 229 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 3: that with Anderson and match him up against Campbell. That 230 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 3: will be a very interesting matchup to see if the 231 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 3: Patriots feel that they have to give Will Campbell help. 232 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: Where's Drake may improve the most last year to this year. 233 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 4: Oh, I would say in every area. 234 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 3: But the thing that stands out to me that goes 235 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 3: beyond numbers is just his pocket toughness. You know, he's 236 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 3: not a quarterback that looks to leave the pocket Collin's 237 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 3: days there, and he allows the offense to work. 238 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:05,680 Speaker 4: He allows the passing game to work. 239 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 3: So what that means is is he makes late in 240 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 3: the down throws from the pocket with bodies around him. 241 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 4: When the pocket gets squeezed. 242 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 3: That's becoming a lost trait in quarterbacks because as you know, 243 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 3: so many more quarterbacks starting at a young age, are 244 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 3: really athletic players. So what happens is is the second 245 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 3: they perceive any kind of pressure, they flee the pocket. 246 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 3: Drake May stands there. He has excellent pocket movement, you know, 247 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 3: moving a little bit to his right, a little bit 248 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 3: to his left. He's really really good at that. 249 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:40,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, what's your big play of the week, isn't it 250 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 1: Drake May? 251 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's Drake May. So let's get to it. This 252 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 3: is actually a good example. But I love this play 253 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 3: and this play is really interesting. It with the touchdown 254 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 3: pass he through last week to Hunter Henry, so we 255 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 3: can take a look at it right now because this 256 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 3: was I think later in the game and this is 257 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 3: just a beautiful throw. But there's so many elements to 258 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 3: this play. The first element and the courses you're going 259 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 3: to see May under center, which by the way, they 260 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 3: do a good amount of. But the other thing here 261 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 3: is the six to ozero line personnel, and that's something 262 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 3: they do some of, not a ton, believe it or not, 263 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 3: the Texans do the most. So what you're going to 264 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 3: see now is Hunter Henry is actually going to motion 265 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 3: across the formation. Now, what they're going to get from 266 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 3: the chargers here is a five man pressure. So when 267 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 3: you see him move across the formation, so now he's 268 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 3: just inside of Kyle Williams, and you're going to get 269 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 3: a five man pressure concept from the chargers here, and 270 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:33,959 Speaker 3: the route concept, it's only going to be a two 271 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 3: man route concept to the left side of the formation. 272 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 3: You're going to get Kyle Williams on a sale route 273 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 3: and you're going to get Henry. 274 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 4: On a corner route. 275 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 3: Now, one of the things that I thought was really 276 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 3: interesting about this play, and one reason I'm sure Mike 277 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 3: Vrabel really liked Treveon Henderson, is he's a very good 278 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 3: pass protector. He struggled early in the season, but here 279 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 3: he does a really nice job on Henley and he 280 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 3: gets him off his feet. So now if we go 281 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 3: back to the routes, you're going to see that Williams 282 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 3: lifts the corner so Henry can run his corner route 283 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 3: into a void. And this is an unbelievable throw. And 284 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 3: the reason it's a great throw is because Derwin James 285 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 3: recognizes the route concept and there's a void there. But 286 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 3: Derwin James does an unbelievable job of sinking with depth 287 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 3: and almost makes a play here. But the throw is 288 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 3: so good with firm touch. It's a touch throw. Really, 289 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 3: it's not an armstring throw. It's a touch throw. And 290 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 3: we talk about pocket movement. Great example of it, just 291 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 3: sliding a little to his left, staying calm eyes downfield. 292 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 4: Little things like that. 293 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 3: The subtleties and the disciplined craft element of the position 294 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 3: is something that Drake May is really refined at. 295 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 4: For a second year NFL quarterback. 296 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 1: Greg co Sell forty six years NFL films as always 297 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: appreciate the breakdowns. 298 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 4: Greg, thanks, Gon appreciate it. 299 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, the you know, it's interesting how they stagger the games. 300 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: San Francisco see Saturday. That is that is primetime. Saturday 301 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: is as good as the NFL gets. I think it's 302 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: a really close game through three quarters. I think Seattle 303 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: is going to come in a little more conservative game plan. 304 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: They're at home, they're favored, they're healthier, better roster. They 305 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: think they can wear down San Francisco. Don't need a 306 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: lot of exotics, don't need a lot of risks. San 307 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: Francisco wants that ball. They're going to take that coin flip. 308 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: If they win it, they want to score first. Quiet 309 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: that wild crowd. Take some big shots, couple of exotics, 310 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: some different looks. They know, they know they got to 311 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: take more chances to beat Seattle. Roster construction, roster health. 312 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: Right now, I think notable, notable edge the defensive line 313 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: for Seattle. Everybody would start across the board. I mean, ayk, 314 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 1: if you took the best five defensive linemen between the 315 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: Niners and the Seahawks, Sea actually have five to five 316 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 1: of four or five, I mean that that is a gap. 317 00:15:56,520 --> 00:16:00,080 Speaker 1: J Mack with a news no, no, no. 318 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 5: On the news. 319 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 2: This is the herdline news. 320 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 6: All right, Let's start with the Houston Texans defense. 321 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 5: It is formidable. We love them. 322 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 6: They're going up against an MVP candidate. I don't think 323 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 6: Mayo win it. I think Stafford will. But May's been 324 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 6: pretty damn good. He was okay against the Chargers. Here's 325 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 6: Jamiko Ryans talking about his defense and how they can 326 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 6: corral young Drake Bay. 327 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 7: He can sling the ball very well, right, really good passer. 328 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 7: He can hit all three levels of the field. One 329 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 7: thing I'm seeing this year is as his athleticism and 330 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 7: how he's able to escape the pocket. That's really, you know, 331 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 7: shown to be something unique to him where he can 332 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 7: he can throw the football wherever he wants it, a 333 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 7: really great placement, great accuracy, does a great job throwing 334 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 7: the deep ball, and they'll try to hit a ton 335 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 7: of explosive shots the way. His ability to escape the 336 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 7: pocket is what we have to be aware of this 337 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 7: this time around. 338 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: One thing, Houston has a big advantage over almost every 339 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 1: other team in the playoffs. They can cough the ball 340 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: up three times. Their defense for text them. I mean CJ. 341 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:07,399 Speaker 1: Stroud did not have a good game against this Eilers. 342 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: They can lose the turnover battle and their defense bails 343 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 1: them out. Seattle's a little bit like that too, Seattle. 344 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: And when you have a dominating defense, you don't have 345 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:19,120 Speaker 1: to be perfect. In fact, you can make mistakes. And 346 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:23,120 Speaker 1: I mean Houston really offensively struggled against Pittsburgh on the road. 347 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:25,880 Speaker 1: It didn't matter blew them out. So that's the thing 348 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 1: when you go up to New England. Now, New England 349 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 1: I think has much more firepower offensively, They have a 350 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: younger quarterback that can move unlike Aaron. They have better 351 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:36,479 Speaker 1: wide receiver targets. Hunter Henry's a really nice tight end. 352 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 1: Maybe not a star, but he's really really good. But 353 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,400 Speaker 1: I think this Houston team, they can play really imperfect 354 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:43,640 Speaker 1: football home or away. It's just hard to get into 355 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:46,639 Speaker 1: the end zone. It's just hard in that congested space. 356 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 6: To Jamiko Ryan's point against about Drake May, remember he 357 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 6: had that huge scramble right before the half against the Chargers, Yes, 358 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:55,439 Speaker 6: something like forty. I asked our staff, Hey, do we 359 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 6: have any numbers on the Houston Texans defense against quarterbacks 360 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 6: who like to scramble? Wouldn't you know it? Houston's given 361 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 6: up one rushing touchdown to a quarterback all season, tied 362 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:08,400 Speaker 6: for fewest in the league. And also he opposing quarterbacks 363 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:12,360 Speaker 6: don't really run against them fifty two rush attempts that 364 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 6: that's one of the lowest numbers in the league. Collins 365 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 6: last week, Aaron Rodgers was a sitting duck, right, he 366 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 6: can't go anywhere May can. And I do want do 367 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 6: you have to get to spy May because he's a 368 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:26,400 Speaker 6: cerebral quarterback, He's not going to force anything right as 369 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,640 Speaker 6: a playoffs and I risking interceptions against Stingley. 370 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: And I think I just think it's a really low 371 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 1: scoring game. I mean, if you told me it was 372 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 1: seventeen thirteen, I mean, I think it's gonna give you. 373 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 1: I think that that game feels cold, low scoring. Two 374 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:44,160 Speaker 1: opportunistic defenses. One offense has more firepower New England. One 375 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 1: defense is just the length and side. And again, why 376 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 1: is Seattle so good? A big component of it unbelievable 377 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: drafting four straight years. Why is Houston so good? Defensively? 378 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: They've nailed their top draft picks. They have just crushed 379 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:58,679 Speaker 1: in the draft on the defensive side. 380 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 6: On the concussion front, it looks like Christian Gonzales could 381 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 6: go Nico Collins. 382 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 5: No way, I don't see no shot of that. 383 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 6: And that really hurts because can you expect Christian Kirk 384 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 6: to deliver a turn back the clock game? I mean, 385 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 6: I don't personally see that. I don't know where CJ. 386 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 6: Shroud goes. Who's the guy the young J Higgins? Lots 387 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 6: of woody marks, Wow, heavy dosage of woody marks. Okay, 388 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 6: counting on a rookie in a big road game in 389 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 6: the playoffs. 390 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 5: Let's move on to Jacksonville, Colin. 391 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 6: They had a great season, went to the playoffs, tough 392 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 6: loss against Josh Allen. 393 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:30,919 Speaker 4: What can you do. 394 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 6: Interestingly, Travis Hunter was injured and missed half the season. 395 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 6: Here's JAG's GM James Gladstone talking about talking about how 396 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,880 Speaker 6: Travis Hunter is progressing and what they expect from him 397 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:45,719 Speaker 6: in the future. 398 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:48,679 Speaker 8: We still expecting them to play on both sides of 399 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 8: the ball. The steps that he was taken by the 400 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 8: midpoint of the season really made us feel good about 401 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 8: what the back half of the year was going to 402 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 8: be on both sides of the ball and what that 403 00:19:58,160 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 8: impact was going to look like. Being a feature point 404 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 8: on offense and an impact player on defense. 405 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, pick a side. I like offense. 406 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: What they're you know with Jacobe Myers, Brian Thomas. 407 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:15,399 Speaker 6: Parker, Washington Man, that guy boy, Yeah, he's six rounder. 408 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 6: That Gid's been electric. I mean they may look at 409 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:20,360 Speaker 6: it and think, I mean, I just think it's very 410 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 6: hard to bounce between offensive and defensive meeting rooms. 411 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: I think it's tough. I think, you know, pick a 412 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 1: lane a little bit. I would rather have my best 413 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:31,159 Speaker 1: players offensively. But I will say this, I mean, I 414 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: don't think you can star on both sides. I think 415 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: you can be okay on both sides. But this isn't 416 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 1: college football the Big twelve where everybody you line up again, 417 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:43,399 Speaker 1: you're better athletically. He's really talented, but I still contend 418 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: it's an offensive league. That's where I put him. 419 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 6: So it's interesting he was the second pick. The Browns 420 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:52,199 Speaker 6: had the second pick. Jags traded up to two to 421 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:52,880 Speaker 6: get a receiver. 422 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:54,880 Speaker 5: Now technically it's not for a receiver. 423 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 6: It's for a receiver dB, so you can spin this 424 00:20:58,160 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 6: forward colin twenty twenty. 425 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 5: Six, who has this? I can pick my Jets. 426 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,439 Speaker 6: I don't see people are like, oh, well, just trade 427 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 6: down like Travis, Like like the Browns did with the 428 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 6: Travis Hunter deal. I'm like, first of all, that wasn't 429 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 6: considered a great deal? Was it to trade up for 430 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 6: a receiver? I don't I don't think. I think that 431 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 6: was kind of panned. And now it's like, is there 432 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:20,639 Speaker 6: someone like a Hunter at two the Jets could entice 433 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 6: someone to trade up for. 434 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 5: I don't see it, do you? 435 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 7: Oh? 436 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 1: I you know, I think in the top five or 437 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: six picks there's you. You take phone calls. It's just 438 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 1: somebody could call the Jets and say, listen, we want 439 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 1: to move three spots. We'll just give you a fifth 440 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:36,199 Speaker 1: round pick. The Jets could move that pick. It's what 441 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 1: are you willing to move it forward? You're you're gonna 442 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 1: get calls. But everybody's trying to you know, they're they're 443 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 1: they're low balling yon picks. If the Jets, if the 444 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: Jets have I mean, the Jets have multiple needs. If 445 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 1: the Jets have, like the Giants have a need, I 446 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 1: can see the Giants not moving down and like we 447 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: need the offensive tackle from Miami. The Giants have an 448 00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 1: absolute need because they have rush ends, a receiver, a back, 449 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 1: a quarterback. 450 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 4: The Jets have a million needs. 451 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 1: So I can see the Jets saying we're going to 452 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 1: trade down six spots and get another third round pick. 453 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 1: That's not a bad idea for the judge. 454 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 6: Listen, it kind of worked for the Jags they you know, 455 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 6: they trade it up, but kind of worked for the 456 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 6: Browns too. 457 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 5: They just don't have a quarterback. Final story, Colin. 458 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 6: We've had a bit of a podcast gate situation this 459 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:25,920 Speaker 6: week in the NBA. Remember Austin Reeves has kind of 460 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 6: been ripped a little bit by Rich Paul, the agent 461 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 6: for Lebron. Yeah, well Lebron was asked about it this week, 462 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,680 Speaker 6: and he said that Rich Paul is his own man. 463 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 6: And then Rich Paul then went on a podcast and 464 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 6: now he's chiming in on this nonsense. 465 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 5: Here we go. 466 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 9: He understands this is not like a podcast playground. We're 467 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:52,679 Speaker 9: in the content business. And after you get done saying 468 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 9: all these different terms, just ended with business. I'm a 469 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 9: businessman first. This is a business. So this is my business, 470 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 9: just like he has his business. I think it's I 471 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 9: think it's a respectful behavior that we have towards one another. 472 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 6: Yeah, they don't get me started on this guy, Colin. 473 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 6: It's almost like he realizes, Hey, Lebron's in his final year. 474 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 5: That's my golden ticket. Lebron bails after this year, what 475 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 5: do I got? 476 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 6: You know, Clutch sports will kind of sort of fall 477 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,239 Speaker 6: apart when Lebron is no longer there, Clutch sports will 478 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:26,879 Speaker 6: be it'll be there. But you take a look at 479 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 6: his client list starting to dry up a little bit. 480 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 5: Mister Cowherd. 481 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 6: So now you got you got this guy who let 482 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 6: me jump into the podcast space and fire off some 483 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 6: hot takes, get people talking. You know how that law 484 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 6: the lasts. Yeah, they give you a guy a couple 485 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,160 Speaker 6: months let's see if he's coming up with content round 486 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 6: the clock. These guys aren't capable of it, and I 487 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:44,159 Speaker 6: don't like. 488 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 5: What he's doing. Austin Reeves. 489 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,959 Speaker 6: There was a report that Austin Reeves agent went up 490 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,159 Speaker 6: to Rich Paul last game and they had a a 491 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:52,479 Speaker 6: I don't want to use the word confrontation, but they 492 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 6: had a talk. 493 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 5: Shall we say about him going after, Hey. 494 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 6: We need to trade Austin Reeves. Bro settle down, Rich, 495 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 6: settle down. I know that's your guy. You're in with 496 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 6: Klutch and Lebron and Rich don't like what I'm hearing. 497 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: Jmack with the news. 498 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The 499 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 2: Herd Line News. 500 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,640 Speaker 1: Jmax Picks next on a Thursday. 501 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 502 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,439 Speaker 2: and noon Eastern nin a em Pacific. 503 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: It is playoff weekend, Divisional round margin Stinner Stakes higher 504 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: four teams. By the end of the weekend, we will 505 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: know that two teams in each conference battling. We've been 506 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 1: doing this a long time, several years. His track record 507 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 1: is very strong. Did not have a great last weekend, 508 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 1: which means it is bounced back. Saturday Sunday for Jamax, 509 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 1: we call it tomorrow's headlines. Today we start with the 510 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 1: first game of the weekend, Saturday Bills at the Broncos. 511 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:54,640 Speaker 1: This is really interesting. 512 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 6: Jmak Yeah, well what we actually added a fifth We're 513 00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 6: gonna do to Natty as well because I need to 514 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 6: round it out. I need to bounce back after last 515 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 6: week's one and four. So Buffalo visits Denver, rematch from 516 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 6: last year in the playoffs. Colin, remember, pretty good start 517 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 6: for bow Nicks, then it went south quickly. The headline 518 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 6: this weekend for Buffalo Denver will Ben excuse me, bo 519 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 6: bumps into mafia boss and that would be one Josh Allen, Li, 520 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 6: was it picking a side here is tough. 521 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:22,160 Speaker 5: I did bet the under. 522 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 6: I don't think we'll see a lot of points, but 523 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 6: ultimately I got a. 524 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 5: Ride with my guy, Josh Allen. He's fun to watch. Colin. 525 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 5: I'll just say this. 526 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,640 Speaker 6: They have three healthy wide receivers right now going into 527 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 6: this game. 528 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 4: That's it. 529 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 6: And one of them is Keon Coleman, who was a 530 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 6: healthy scratch multiple times this year. The others Brandon Cooks, 531 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 6: who's thirty two and joined the team like ten weeks ago. However, 532 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,479 Speaker 6: why Jason, why are you betting Buffalo here again? I 533 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 6: just don't know what to make of this bow Nick situation. 534 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 6: I know you love him and you love Peyton Colin. 535 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 6: I was doing some digging, So did you know Peyton 536 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 6: and McDermott they have a history going back to the 537 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:58,360 Speaker 6: NFC South when the New Orleans was playing Carolina many times, 538 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 6: And wouldn't you know it, McDermott has a history of 539 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 6: bottling up Drew Brees. 540 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 5: He knows how to play that too high shell, clog 541 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 5: the middle of. 542 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 6: The field, keep everything in front of you, and historically 543 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 6: Peyton has not excelled against mcdermot's defenses. This at Oliver 544 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 6: situation's big. Will he return for Buffalo? He's been practicing 545 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 6: this week. That would be huge because their run defense 546 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 6: is leaky. I do expect Josh Allen to kind of 547 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 6: put on the Superman cape. Buffalo's defense is good, but 548 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:26,879 Speaker 6: it's not great. Did you notice last year in the 549 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 6: playoff game, so vance Joseph loves to play heavy man, 550 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 6: heavy blitz. He was worried about Josh Allen, so they 551 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 6: went a little more zone and spied Josh Allen. He's 552 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 6: still had a bunch of yards on the ground. I 553 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,160 Speaker 6: don't think they can stop him. I'll go low seventeen 554 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 6: sixteen Buffalo or thereabouts. 555 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 1: Wow. Tomorrow's headlines today Seattle home favorite. What say you? 556 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 6: You know? Us gambler, Sometimes we get in trouble going 557 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 6: with our heart over our head, Colin, I'm not making 558 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 6: that mistake here. The headline for San fran at Seattle 559 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 6: will be Seattle Death? Do us part one that got 560 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 6: away makes some pay? I'm sorry. I got the Seahawks here, Colin. 561 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 5: I can't. 562 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 6: I just I cannot make a case for my guy 563 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 6: brock Perty. I think the purty Shanahan combo, like you said, 564 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,199 Speaker 6: can keep it interesting and close. But man, I just 565 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 6: don't know what this defense. We saw this game two 566 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 6: weeks ago. They couldn't do a damn thing. Now Seattle 567 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,400 Speaker 6: couldn't either. And I do think there's a world where 568 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 6: your boy Sam Darnold kind of vomits all over himself 569 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 6: and has rattled in this playoff game, McDonald's first playoff 570 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 6: game as a head coach. 571 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:32,160 Speaker 5: He's a great coach. 572 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 6: I read an article about him about how he's such 573 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 6: a smart, intelligent human being. I love those guys. I 574 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 6: think Sam Frank keeps it close. I'll take Seattle in 575 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 6: a close one. 576 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 1: Tomorrow's headlines today Texans and that defense in New England 577 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 1: against the Patriots. 578 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 5: What do you got, well, I went against the Patriots 579 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:51,880 Speaker 5: and their fans. Let me know about it. 580 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 6: Anything different This week the headline for Houston at New 581 00:27:55,960 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 6: England will be parting of the Strouds all playoff persona 582 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 6: left behind. Oh yeah, CJ Stroud, Baby, I'm rocking with 583 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 6: the Texans. 584 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 4: Listen. 585 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 6: They came through for me Monday. It took a little while, 586 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,639 Speaker 6: but they finally got there. Yes, there's a concern about Stroud, 587 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,120 Speaker 6: but Colin, I look at this Houston defense. They match 588 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 6: up great against the Patriots. I mean again, Stingley on 589 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 6: the outside, Lassiter, these are elite cornerbacks, Yep, Petrie in 590 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 6: the secondary. They don't give up much. The one thing 591 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 6: is this Drake May's scrambling ability. I did just come 592 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 6: up with a stat he had the most scrambles in 593 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 6: the NFL, more scrambles than Josh Allen Herbert. And that's 594 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 6: where they have to watch him. Now, I'll say this. 595 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 6: You know watching Houston a lot this year. Those guys 596 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 6: are headhunters. Okay, the linebackers, the safeties may better get 597 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 6: down or we're looking at something. Dicey and I do 598 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 6: think there's some numbers that show Woody Marx, as you said, 599 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 6: and the running backs out of the backfield have given 600 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 6: the Patriots problems. 601 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 5: I like the Texas to win this out right. 602 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 1: Tomorrow's headlines today the Sunday nighter Rams at the Bears 603 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 1: one for the Ages potentially. 604 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:02,479 Speaker 6: Yeah, I hear you're gonna be there with like two 605 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 6: winner jackets, four scarfs. 606 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, it should be a cold one. I don't know 607 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 5: what the Bears can do to win this. 608 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 6: The headline for Rams Bears will be the cold man 609 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 6: in the Sea, hot routes, warm reads, old. 610 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 5: Man Matthew Stafford delivers. 611 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 6: Colin, we're talking about the best deep ball thrower in 612 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 6: the league in Matt Stafford. I know Drake may was great, 613 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 6: it's Stafford with two awesome receivers playing against the defense 614 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 6: that gave up the second most deep bawl. 615 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 5: Touchdowns in the league and Chagnebacker. Yeah, they just Hemorrhae 616 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 5: stuff on the back end. Colin. 617 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 6: Unbelievably, Dallas gave up the most deep ball TVs. Dallas, 618 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 6: who we laugh at the Bears were second. Okay, and 619 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 6: you're like you said, the linebacker out. I think the 620 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 6: Rams score it will hear if you want to get exotic. 621 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 6: Their team total is twenty six and a half points. 622 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 1: They're gonna take take the over on that. 623 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 5: I just listen. 624 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 6: Caleb is magical charm season. I know Bears fans love 625 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 6: when we pick against him. I don't see the Rams 626 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 6: blowing this. I've been Dame blows it. That would be 627 00:29:58,640 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 6: a shocker. 628 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,600 Speaker 1: Rams over under twenty six. That's interesting. 629 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 6: Yeah, all they have to do is score twenty seven points. 630 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 6: I mean that's happening right. 631 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 1: Finally, headline for Monday the Natty Miami against number one Indiana. 632 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 6: Colin, you know this line was five and a half 633 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 6: and it swored up to eight and a half. 634 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 5: We don't see that normally. 635 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 6: No, so the headline for Hoosier's Hurricanes will. 636 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 5: Be two and a half. 637 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 6: Mendoza's that you loses. 638 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 5: All at Sene. 639 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 6: I'm sorry, Miami, I don't think you get it done here. 640 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 6: Indiana has to be the side they're gonna win this. 641 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 4: Now. 642 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 6: Interestingly, Colin, there's some numbers that show and I think 643 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,720 Speaker 6: Klatt talked about this This Miami. 644 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 5: Defense is gonna keep it close. 645 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 6: Do not expect another blowout like that Alabama game, like 646 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 6: that Oregon game. By the way, the Oregon game was weird. 647 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 6: Did you see that they had three touchdown drives under 648 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 6: twenty yards because Dante Moore kept turning it over there 649 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 6: was a block punt. This will not be a blowout. 650 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 6: Miami will keep it close. How about this stat three 651 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 6: playoff games, Miami has given up seventy five carries. 652 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 5: One explosive in seventy five. 653 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 4: That's it. 654 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 6: You can't really run on this team. So I'm curious 655 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 6: how Mendoza handles the pressure. You got two pros coming 656 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 6: off the edges. This is gonna be a great game. 657 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 6: I think it's a lot closer than the experts think 658 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 6: that eight and a half. You got to take the 659 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 6: points with the Hurricanes, But I think Indiana wins the title, 660 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 6: and congrats to Mendoza, who goes to the Raiders then 661 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 6: where he's not winning anything for a decade. 662 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,479 Speaker 1: When Nico Collins missed a game against the Niners earlier 663 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 1: this year, it's very interesting. C J Stroud Houston won. 664 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 1: C J Stroud was thirty of thirty nine, so I 665 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 1: like Stroud, and he was a little out of sorts 666 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 1: against Pittsburgh, But I think he's like Herbert. You know, 667 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 1: we keep waiting for this massive playoff success. But both CJ. 668 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,719 Speaker 1: Stroud and Herbert just the way the ball comes off 669 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 1: their hand, They're really accurate. Both have had offensive line issues. 670 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 1: Both have had kind of receivers can't stay healthy issues. 671 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 1: I think CJ that New England gain like it's like 672 00:31:58,120 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 1: a little bit of a magic carpet ride for New 673 00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 1: Ing when you're like, you know, when, when does it? 674 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 1: Because I really still, I really believe of all these 675 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 1: teams in the playoff, one of them is still in 676 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 1: a rebuild. New England I still think they need offensive 677 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 1: line help, another tight end. Like not that they're in 678 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 1: a total rebuild because they had so much free agent money, 679 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 1: but I still think I mean it's his Rabels got 680 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: one draft behind him. I think they need more depth. 681 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 1: I think they need another tight end. I think they 682 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 1: need help on the offensive side. I think they probably 683 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 1: need another corner. The whole league does so, I mean 684 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 1: everybody else. I feel like they. 685 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 4: Should be here. 686 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 1: I think I thought New England was going to be 687 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,239 Speaker 1: the most improved team in the League. I had him 688 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 1: as a wild card team. Them winning this weekend, being 689 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 1: in the conference champion jadd way more than I thought. 690 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 1: That's that projects way faster turnaround. All right, great stuff. 691 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 1: Tom Brady was amazing. We'll put him on the podcast. 692 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 1: Joel Clatt money too, Greg cosel J, Max picks. 693 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:52,920 Speaker 4: It's the hurt.