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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome in. I'm Doug Gotliban. This is all ball

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Speaker 1: quick programming. Note you should check out the Doug Gottlieb

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Speaker 1: Show daily three to six Eastern, twelve to three Pacific

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Speaker 1: wherever wherever you download UH podcasts as well. Um Sean

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Speaker 1: McCaw is my guest on this pod. Sean was very

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Speaker 1: good college basketball player in Southern Utah, started his career

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Speaker 1: at Arizona. But maybe more importantly, he's written a book

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Speaker 1: on traveling and playing in Europe, played thirteen years overseas

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Speaker 1: and it's really an informative book. Well, kind of get

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Speaker 1: to his story and what led him to write write

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Speaker 1: the book and what he's doing now. It's it's fantastic.

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Speaker 1: I think you're gonna love it. It's it's upcoming. I'll

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Speaker 1: only say this about Ben Simmons. It does relate to

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Speaker 1: the Kyrie Irving story. From this perspective, Ben saying he's

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Speaker 1: got not mentally in the right head space to play,

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Speaker 1: and Kyrie saying this is a personal decision. If we

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Speaker 1: judge these things just based upon how it reads, Okay,

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Speaker 1: it's hard to push back against somebody mentally not being

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Speaker 1: the right headspace. It's hard to bag push back against

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Speaker 1: Kyrie saying, hey, this is my personal decision, even though

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Speaker 1: I think it's silly. You have a job once once

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Speaker 1: you knew there was the likelihood of having to get

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Speaker 1: vaccine in order to play in these games. And oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: by the way, the really unselfish thing is to get

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Speaker 1: a vaccination. But I'm not doing a vaccination pot But

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Speaker 1: the problem with both of these players, who are immensely

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Speaker 1: talented is there's other stories that leads you to believe

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Speaker 1: or leads you to not believe whatever they're telling you.

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Speaker 1: Now you know Kyrie has been hurt a bunch, and

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Speaker 1: then you didn't want to play in the bubble. He

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Speaker 1: got hurt last year, didn't play the playoffs. There's that.

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Speaker 1: You know, He's just been a tough one to really

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Speaker 1: wrap your arms around and love, even if you love

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Speaker 1: his talent in the way he plays. Ben Simmons like, look,

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Speaker 1: if this was really an issue, why was it the

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Speaker 1: one issue in the contract that they can't find you for?

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Speaker 1: Pretty smart didn't show up on time, then shows up

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Speaker 1: without telling anybody that has the cell phone in his pocket. Again,

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Speaker 1: in and of itself, either of these stories. You know,

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Speaker 1: whether you agree or disagree with them, it's not the

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Speaker 1: worst thing in the world. But when you factor in

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Speaker 1: other issues where they have said something else to try

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Speaker 1: and get out of doing something else for their job,

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Speaker 1: you kind of start to roll your eyes and not

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Speaker 1: really believe the validity of what they're saying. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's let's get to Sean McCaw who's an author, he's

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Speaker 1: now a teacher. He's a former coach and a former

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Speaker 1: star playing in Europe. Okay, so Sean, you're you're joining

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Speaker 1: us from Germany where you just had back surgery. From Germany?

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Speaker 1: What what what I mean? Is this? This is a

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Speaker 1: basketball injury? Is this years and new years of playing

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Speaker 1: hoop with the back or is something you just did,

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Speaker 1: you know, picking up a box. It's the Aaron tear

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Speaker 1: of being a professional athlete, from from playing the years

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Speaker 1: wear and tear of an old guy. Um. Okay, So

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Speaker 1: going up though, what was your What was basketball like

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Speaker 1: So so he wasn't that popular in Vegas? When when

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Speaker 1: like that, and we went to Arizona State. We went

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Speaker 1: like it is now back then. No, but but Vegas

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Speaker 1: sixteen years old, my goal was to be a running room. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so you go to Arizona? Who recruit or Zona coach Wilson?

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Speaker 1: And and why did you choose Arizona? Well, um there

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Speaker 1: was one ended up being the last choice that I had,

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Speaker 1: And coach Olsen was still interested. And it was like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: this Vaggat thing is not gonna work. Let's go to Arizona.

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Speaker 1: at Arizona as a freshman, what was it like? I

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Speaker 1: was a hot mess man? I was a hot mess.

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Speaker 1: I was. I was a very confident kid, but I

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Speaker 1: I think in practice. Me, on the other hand, I

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Speaker 1: I'll never forget playing against LSU when Shack was there

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Speaker 1: I wasn't happy to um. I remember that LSU game,

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Speaker 1: I was just a hot mess. I was on academic probation.

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Speaker 1: then he put in Rayos, who was also a freshman,

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Speaker 1: mchael Center to get the class. There's reporters there, so

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Speaker 1: at any given time there's maybe a hundred people roaming around.

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Speaker 1: So we start stretching and Mike Cordon and Coach Wilson

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Speaker 1: don't like. I can't remember what it was now, but

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Speaker 1: guys could cool me down, I was already gone. And

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Speaker 1: Coach says, well, get out of here, give your stuff

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Speaker 1: to the manager, and don't come back. Continue you think

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Speaker 1: eighteen year old hothead itself. I'm sure they still tell

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Speaker 1: this story. Um in Tucson in some way, shape or form. Um,

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Speaker 1: I take off my my practice jersey, take off my

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Speaker 1: Pachi sneakers that we were we were tently with the

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Speaker 1: test team for the original Mirachi basketball shot. I took

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Speaker 1: off my rachis and I threw them at Coach Olsen's speak. Now,

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Speaker 1: very disciplined man. I don't think that particularly went over

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Speaker 1: well with him. That I pretty much started out of

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Speaker 1: you give them to the manager? Not a wise move.

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Speaker 1: in European basket. Um. Okay, so how long till you're back? Um?

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00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:23,439
Speaker 1: I started the next season on time. I rehab like crazy.

429
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 1: It was a crazy situation, but um, I was back.

430
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 1: But I would say I was probably back at about

431
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 1: my normal self. I wasn't totally fit at all. Um.

432
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:37,119
Speaker 1: And then, UM, I had an up and down season,

433
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 1: really poor foreign American because I was limping, I was,

434
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:45,440
Speaker 1: I lost my explosives and yeah, and so the code,

435
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 1: the coach and the team. I played a horrible season

436
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 1: for for an American and I knew it was gonna

437
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,640
Speaker 1: be hard for me to to to get a job

438
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,440
Speaker 1: with stats like the team points the game and coming

439
00:23:56,440 --> 00:24:00,159
Speaker 1: down in Austria. Right, So my my agent was so

440
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,400
Speaker 1: of the same opinion. So they came and they said, hey, look,

441
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 1: we see that you're still fighting your injury. Um, we're

442
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:11,200
Speaker 1: gonna offer you another contract for two more years. Um

443
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 1: we'll get you fit everything. And that's how I ended

444
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 1: up staying in Capperberg for for a tot of four

445
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 1: years before I before I left and went to another team.

446
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 1: Did you learn the language? Yes, I speak so in German?

447
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 1: Did you did you do that just by you know,

448
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 1: submersion technique or did you actually take a class or

449
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 1: a teacher. I've never taken a German course in my life.

450
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 1: I actually had a lot of down time after I

451
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,879
Speaker 1: broke my legs. I was watching a lot of The Simpsons.

452
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 1: I was a huge Simpsons man, and uh I knew

453
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 1: all the episodes from back home. But in in Austria

454
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,879
Speaker 1: they have German TV and they don't they don't do subtitles.

455
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 1: So I was watching the Simpsons and I knew what

456
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,640
Speaker 1: they were saying, and that's how it was piecing together

457
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,359
Speaker 1: how how to learn German? And of course then I

458
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,679
Speaker 1: had a girlfriend were talking in German and you just

459
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,360
Speaker 1: I'm pretty good with like just so I was able

460
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 1: to pick it up pretty pretty quickly. Okay, so you're

461
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 1: there four years. I mean that team for four years

462
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:11,679
Speaker 1: and one more year at another another team in Austria. Okay, Uh,

463
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 1: when did you leave Austria? After my fifth season, I

464
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 1: got the Austrian citizenship, I changed my citizenship. I'm now

465
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 1: an Austrian citizen. I'm no longer an American citizen and

466
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 1: all I don't have dual citizenship at all. That was

467
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 1: not allowed, and then it was possible for me to

468
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 1: of course earn more money um as a as a

469
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,879
Speaker 1: European player. So for for for the listeners that don't know,

470
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 1: if you have a passport, you were able to play

471
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 1: in a European country as a home guy and not

472
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 1: as a former So basically I could play as an

473
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 1: American but not taking American spot, which we need more valuable.

474
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 1: So I went to Frances into this in two thousands.

475
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 1: You went to France, right, right. I went to France

476
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 1: in the second division in France, right outside of Paris

477
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,399
Speaker 1: for that first year. What was the experience of playing

478
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:04,360
Speaker 1: in France as opposed to playing in Austria. Uh, night

479
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,120
Speaker 1: and day Um, the league, even though it was second league,

480
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:11,199
Speaker 1: was very competitive, very physical. UM, and I guess I

481
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 1: wasn't really used to it anymore, and UM, I didn't

482
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 1: play the greatest season. Then we we ended up going

483
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 1: on the losing street because I was I think I

484
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 1: was the highest paid player on the team. UM I

485
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 1: got fired, I got let go, and UM I went

486
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 1: to Portugal to finish the season, I think the last

487
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: two or three months of the sea. And what was

488
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 1: Porta like, UM, pretty pretty nice. I love living there.

489
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 1: And that led to me that resigning in Portugal on

490
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,400
Speaker 1: another team, UM than the one that I ended the

491
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 1: previous season with. I played in Cavin Madeira. It's it's

492
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 1: Ian and warm weather, great great city or great um

493
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 1: little island, and I played there for one season. Now

494
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:59,640
Speaker 1: still in total you played thirteen years. Yeah, your last

495
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 1: season was way in Germany and with him I had come.

496
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:10,239
Speaker 1: I was in the twilight of my career and UM,

497
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 1: I knew I only had one or two more years

498
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 1: that I only wanted to play. Basically, util I was

499
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 1: about thirty five. That was my my vision because I

500
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: wanted to start coaching. So I went to a small

501
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 1: city called Viena in the east of Germany, and they

502
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: weren't a second league. So I was thinking, okay, one

503
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: two years maximum and I'm done. And this team was

504
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 1: We were over achievers. We no one expected us to

505
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 1: to to win the promotion to the first league, but

506
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: we didn't. So the team, of course wanted to keep

507
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: the team together and I stayed to the first league

508
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 1: season in in the Bullish League and in the top

509
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:51,439
Speaker 1: league in Germany. That year was the strangest year of

510
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: my life as as far as my career lose. So

511
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 1: we moved up into the first league. We had no money,

512
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 1: we had we were the lope, by far, the lowest

513
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: budgeted team. We were just kind of happy to be

514
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 1: there current and I knew that that was gonna be

515
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,679
Speaker 1: my last season. I was supposed to come onto the

516
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 1: coaching staff the next season. This is gonna be my

517
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 1: last hurrah, one last year first league and then I

518
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: was going to go into coaching. Turns out, we started

519
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 1: and the team fired the head coach. But before they

520
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: fired the head coach, they approached me to take over

521
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,400
Speaker 1: as coach. As head coach, so I am a player.

522
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: Halfway through the season, we won two or two games

523
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 1: and they come and tell me, hey, we want you

524
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: to take over as coach. I'm like, yeah, what about

525
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: what about beyond? No, we're gonna fire. I was like, no,

526
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 1: not doing it. That's that's just bad caring right here. No,

527
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: not two weeks go by, they badgered me. They badgered me.

528
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: I have a conversation with my brother. He says, look, Sewan,

529
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: you want to coach. You can do that with no pressure.

530
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 1: Nobody expects you to turn the team around and stay

531
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: in the first league. You can learn your your chops.

532
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: You have no pressure doing so. After I talked to

533
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 1: my brother, I changed my mind and I said, Okay,

534
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: I had my last game in in Bond and I

535
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: cried buckets after that game because it was my I

536
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: knew that that was gonna be my last game. And

537
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: then they were gonna turn the keys over Tom, but

538
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 1: no one else really knew. And yeah, and then I

539
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: went from being a player to the head coach of

540
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: the first league team in Germany. What I've never heard

541
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: of ever happening ever in any country. And so we

542
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: played on a Saturday Monday morning. I was, I would say,

543
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: coach with the guys that I had just played with

544
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 1: four a year and a half. Not the ideal situation

545
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: that I had two weeks before. I'm out drinking with

546
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 1: these guys and and and party. I went to these

547
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: guys and now I'm telling me to to Lion Sprince. Not

548
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 1: not exactly the the best start for my career, but

549
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,959
Speaker 1: I would do it all the same again because it

550
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: really showed me that's what I wanted. Um, we did

551
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 1: you guys get better? Where would you love? I can

552
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: say we won three games. That was two. That was

553
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: one more than the previous coach had, So for me

554
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: it was a success. And we we got relegated. We

555
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: were terrible. We we had no did you play or

556
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 1: like money? You should ask? I have one clip on

557
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 1: YouTube that is me having to sell myself in during

558
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 1: a game because we had we had some injuries during

559
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: towards the end of the Yum has injuries. We had

560
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: some suspensions. A guy got called um smoking Weed, got

561
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: kicked off the team, so we only had like nine players.

562
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,239
Speaker 1: I had to trade in the suit that I had

563
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 1: wearing the a couple of games before, and I had

564
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 1: to stand on the sideline in my uniform, and I

565
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 1: had to be listed as a player even though I

566
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 1: was in the coach. So we had a game against

567
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: Bramah and I had to sell myself in because it

568
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: was pal trouble. I ended up hitting a wild three

569
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: quarter court shot at the buzzer to put us in

570
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: over time and that is my water clip on on YouTube.

571
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: Mike remember, I don't know if you never remember this

572
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: when we were kids, Mike done leave. He did that.

573
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: He's a coach of the bus because he had a

574
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: lunch of injuries and so he played. He played one night.

575
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: That had had to be the coolest and weirdest thing. Um,

576
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: best city in Austria in Austria, yeah, basketball, Well just

577
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: not overall, no overall. Give me one place you have

578
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: to go to go. Oh, you gotta go to the

579
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: jas Yina is a great city. Is a lot of

580
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 1: a lot of cultural, lot of order culture, but it's

581
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: it's a it's a fantastic city. The best thing to

582
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 1: eat in Austria. Wow, Uh, there's a there's a thing

583
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: called Forgotten Souper. It's a soup and what you have

584
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: to imagine it's a it's it's uh like a pancake

585
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: that they cut into strips and put it in like

586
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: a h beef beef wall it's not a pancake like

587
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: syrup or you know that that's a weird thing to

588
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: get in your head, but it's a it's actually a

589
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: really good So that's that's one of my favorite things.

590
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: From the best best, best place to go visit, you

591
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 1: have to go visit in Germany. Berlin. Oh, by far,

592
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: it's probably my favorite, my my favorite European city. I

593
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: love living in Paris, but but Berlin is off the change.

594
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: Be'st going to eat in Germany? Uh, you gotta get

595
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: you gotta get a sausage with sur kroud and have

596
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:50,479
Speaker 1: a big, big Viking beer. Um. Okay, you mentioned Paris.

597
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: Um coolest place to go and eat in Paris. Oh,

598
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: it's been a minute. Um. I think any anywhere on

599
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: Sean's shans is to just sit out, have a call

600
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: fore you croissant and just people watch. That's that's the ultimate. Okay. So,

601
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: so you decided to write a book about the entirety

602
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: of the experience. When did the first one of the

603
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 1: idea come to your mind? Um? The idea came probably

604
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: some time after I broke my leg and I went

605
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,719
Speaker 1: through that experience. Because it wasn't the best experience in

606
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 1: total for me. Um. But I I've always liked to write,

607
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 1: but I never thought about doing anything until years later.

608
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: I think I was playing in England at the time,

609
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: and that's that's when I started. That's probably about fifteen

610
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: years ago, something like maybe a little bit more than

611
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: fifteen years ago. And I actually wrote it and then

612
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: but I tried to get it published, and back then

613
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: it was no self publishing. I couldn't get it published.

614
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: It's it's a niche, that's that's okay, UM. But I

615
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: couldn't get a publish back and so I pretty much

616
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: just handed it out to people that I thought needed

617
00:33:56,040 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: the information. Um. And then um in any I had

618
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: more time on my hands and I refurbished it, uh,

619
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 1: updated it. My best friend told me, hey, you got

620
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,720
Speaker 1: to get that out there. There's information in there for people,

621
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: um that that can help people. So that's that's my

622
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 1: main goal with this book is just to help people

623
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: and help them navigate, especially their first year overseas, because

624
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 1: that's that's a really key to how the rest of

625
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: your career will go. So how do you determine who

626
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:31,919
Speaker 1: you think should represent him as an agent? UM, that's

627
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 1: a that's a personal thing. I think I was lucky

628
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,359
Speaker 1: enough that I had coming out of college. I had

629
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: like eight or nine agents to choose from. But a

630
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,720
Speaker 1: lot of guys that play overseas they don't have that luxury,

631
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 1: so they're having to search actively search for for an agent.

632
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 1: And I think that's for the majority of guys that

633
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: they are not yourolyad guys that are not m guys

634
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: that are going from Deep to Greece, or you know,

635
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,399
Speaker 1: big time guys. It's hard to find an agent because

636
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: agents have, of course scal and if they do not

637
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 1: scout you, they probably don't want to hire you. Um

638
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: so they want to make money and if they think

639
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 1: you can make the money, then then mail scout you.

640
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: If not, then the false will pract So that's why

641
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 1: my book was important for me to get the information

642
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 1: out there that people can find their own agent. It's

643
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: going to take a lot of banging on rules, writing emails,

644
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: calling a lot of rejection, but it's possible. And you

645
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 1: basically have to find a happy medium between having an

646
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: agent that you trust um or and they actually lot

647
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:41,399
Speaker 1: and you really don't know if you have a good

648
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: agent until one of two things happens. You need a job,

649
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: so if you can get you a job, but more importantly,

650
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: if something bad happens, if you break your leg, if

651
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 1: you get fired, that's when you know if you've got

652
00:35:55,360 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: a good agent. Amount right, Um, how hey, then it's

653
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: easier now, right, because I mean, like we can connect

654
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: her in here in Germany, the States. You can Netflix,

655
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 1: you can Amazon, you can Apple TV, you can do

656
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 1: all that stuff. But there still is you're in a

657
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: foreign country and a lot of guys they think they've

658
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,240
Speaker 1: been away from home because I went away to school,

659
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:26,879
Speaker 1: but it's completely different. Um in two thousand twenty one,

660
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: how do you manage the difference in culture and missing

661
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 1: everything that is your normal life. Well, guys, these days

662
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 1: have like you said, there there's Netflix, there is Skype,

663
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 1: there is iPhone, message, there is um you can you

664
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: can face time with people, So it's it's a lot

665
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 1: easier to you can touch I remember when I was

666
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: my first full bill when I got to all she

667
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 1: was six d fifty dollars because I was just constantly

668
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: on the phone. And so these days it's much easier

669
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: to stay in contact. But of course you're gonna miss

670
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: You're gonna miss your family back home and go to

671
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: miss things like that, Um, but these days it's it's

672
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,439
Speaker 1: just way easier to keep in touch and two two

673
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: to keep some kind of bond that it was in

674
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:18,479
Speaker 1: nine New five when UM you mentioned and I thought,

675
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: I think this is kind of an interesting part is

676
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: um you mentioned that your agent convinced you to take

677
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,479
Speaker 1: less money, not weight on the Italian team and take

678
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 1: like no money in Australia to put up numbers. And

679
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: I actually think that's great advice. There's a limit there, right,

680
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: how little you'll play for how do you balance it?

681
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 1: Like if you already advise somebody versus because I think

682
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 1: a lot of these guys are like, look, I want

683
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: to make six figures, I gotta be at a big club.

684
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: Like my first club was this big club in Russia,

685
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 1: and I split time and then they would do the

686
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: thing where and I was playing as an American, so

687
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 1: we get a big lead and the Americans that come

688
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 1: out right and because they wanted their guys to play,

689
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 1: and it hurt my hurt my numbers. So if I

690
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,320
Speaker 1: could redo it, Germany would have been great, like play

691
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 1: put up numbers and grow from there. But how do

692
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: you how do you balance? And let's let's see advice

693
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: on what your first job should be like, well, I mean,

694
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: it all depends a lot on how respected your agent is,

695
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: how how how they do business. If you're one of

696
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: the guys that that is a potential, you're league player,

697
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 1: you have a team of advisors, you have we have

698
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 1: the best of the best working for My thing is

699
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: the guys that don't make a hundred thousand a year

700
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: or two hundred thousand, three hundred, the guys that are

701
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,439
Speaker 1: making five thousand a month, the guys that are making

702
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 1: one thousand tumans in a month. That's that's a hard

703
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 1: that's a hard thing. So the guys that are not

704
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: making a huge amount of money, sometimes they have to

705
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 1: take what they can get. It's not that they might

706
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 1: not have a lot of choice, and you just have

707
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 1: to make the best of the situation. Now, if you

708
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: are one of those guys that has a high powered

709
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 1: agent and you're getting that high powered job, or you

710
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 1: have these offers that are that are coming into you

711
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 1: for a lot of money, then it's up to you

712
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 1: to figure out what's important to you. And this is

713
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 1: where I think today it's much easier than when I

714
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:08,839
Speaker 1: was coming out. When I was coming out, I had

715
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 1: to look and it's I had to actually go to

716
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: a library and looking at an encyclopedia to find any

717
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,919
Speaker 1: information about Mustrap. That's what I did, but it wasn't

718
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: telling me very much, right, especially not about basketball. But

719
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: today these guys can jump online and they can check stats,

720
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: They can check numbers. They can see how many Americans

721
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,800
Speaker 1: were there at a team, how many left? Um, you

722
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: can you can look on your O basket and see

723
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 1: why that person left. You can. You can really investigate

724
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: these teams just as just as they investigate you. So

725
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: I think it's important for for these guys to really

726
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,879
Speaker 1: look into the offers, look into the teams, see where

727
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 1: they rank. What is your goal? Is your goal only

728
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 1: to collect your money stashed away or is it to

729
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,320
Speaker 1: have a longer career where maybe take a step back

730
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: to have a longer career. It's everybody these individual choice.

731
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 1: But I think the most important thing is that you

732
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 1: definitely have to research these offers, these teams, these coaches,

733
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:10,800
Speaker 1: these general managers and see what's out there online. It

734
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,839
Speaker 1: might be able to help you maneuver to what could

735
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 1: be a makeup break season. Um. Last last thing, Uh,

736
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: the book comes out right, It's available and you can anywhere.

737
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: Is there anything you felt like, Man, I wish I

738
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:36,280
Speaker 1: would put this in there? Um No, I I for

739
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: for the market that I that I'm trying to get at.

740
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 1: I think I got everything in there. I was this big.

741
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: This book was so long and in the making, and

742
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 1: I mean that's why you're you're talking about when you're

743
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,879
Speaker 1: talking about when you first broke your leg, that's years ago,

744
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 1: twenty five years ago, and um, so a lot of

745
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: a lot of changed, but a lot hasn't changed. That

746
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:02,439
Speaker 1: that's what really, that's what really uh helped me to

747
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: refurbish it because there's a lot of things that I

748
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: have in the book is the same as there's there's

749
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: still disputes about contracts. There's still shady agents, there's still

750
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: shady teams. There's a lot of things that that these

751
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 1: first especially the first few players who have to deal

752
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: with that. I hope that this book can help them

753
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: with um and having their hands. But from the people

754
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: that have already read it, even vets and told Kay,

755
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: I know it. So there's nothing that I probably would

756
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: have added. Um, I just wish I had I had

757
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 1: done it. So I wish I had really done so

758
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: I think when I when I think back, it was,

759
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 1: you know, especially when you're young, you're not really demanding,

760
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,879
Speaker 1: you know you're not, and you're just kind of like

761
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: you're just so happy to fact girl, the problem happy

762
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: right that you're like, oh, you give me a car

763
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: or whatever, like yeah, the cars, Like I would you

764
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 1: have a cards piece of ship. I remember when I

765
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 1: played in Israel, Corey Cars my teammate and Corey towards

766
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 1: a c L. We brought over. Adrian Peterson is one

767
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: of my closest friends to play with him in college.

768
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 1: But you know, because Corey, I played there so long

769
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: because he was hurt, like didn't have an extra apartment.

770
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: So I'm like, well, I you can stay with me, right.

771
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 1: I was like just married, uh and you know my wife.

772
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:17,720
Speaker 1: We all went to school together, so it was cool.

773
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: But and then then it was like, all right, what

774
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 1: are you gonna get? We're all just two nights where

775
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:23,879
Speaker 1: we should have been like dud when he hits the ground,

776
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 1: he should have an apartment. He should happen, right, But

777
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: how do you It's really hard to manage when our

778
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 1: culture is different than their culture. You don't know people.

779
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: You do need an agent that handles all that stuff.

780
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: But you don't want to be a dick, right, So

781
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: there's a lot. There's a lot too. It's really hard.

782
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 1: It's a lot to do with being able to adapt

783
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: to certain situations, but at the same time not to

784
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: be a push There has to be a healthy balance

785
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: between between yes, I'm excited to be here, I'm willing

786
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 1: to be flexible. I'm moved to adapt because Europe is

787
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,240
Speaker 1: not adapting to you. You have to adapt to Europe.

788
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,359
Speaker 1: And so I think there is a lot of adaptability.

789
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: And that's maybe why I had such a war career,

790
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 1: because I was able to that. But at the same time,

791
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: you can't be a pusholder. If I have to look

792
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 1: back to when I broke my leg, I didn't know

793
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 1: I can get a second page. I didn't know why

794
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: I could. I could uh the very first time I

795
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,280
Speaker 1: went to the hospital and they didn't see the hairline fracture.

796
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 1: I could have said for two weeks and then I

797
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: would have been fine, But I didn't know I could

798
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 1: go see another doctor. And and that's part of the

799
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: reason why I want the book to explain these things

800
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: that if these young guys need to know, and you

801
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: learned the hard way, and you want them. I learned.

802
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: The problem is that, like I don't know how many

803
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: guys you can pick up and really really read it.

804
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 1: I guess it's a book on tape as well. Right now,

805
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: did you have the book on can you can do

806
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:45,800
Speaker 1: the audible thing where you can actually listen to it

807
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: as well? Not yet, but that's I have it as

808
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: an e book. It's also as a peperback. I realized

809
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 1: it's initiable. That's not my no, but it's it's like

810
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: it's like a guide, like you know exactly. And and

811
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: look the people that listen to this pod. We it's

812
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: a couple hundred thousand people downloaded, but a lot of

813
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 1: them are basketball people and college basketball coaches and assistant

814
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: coaches and high school coaches. And all they gotta do

815
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 1: is say, hey, get this book, download and read it

816
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: or by the way, listen to it. Even you're on

817
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 1: your way your first job. You know this is these

818
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 1: are the things that that you should you should know,

819
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: you should make um. I said. The last thing I lied,

820
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: best player you ever played against and you I don't

821
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 1: have to know who it is, but sometimes you play

822
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 1: against you like I've never heard of that dude, and

823
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: he just gave me thirty. Um uh, what is his name?

824
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: And what's the Texas tech? I played against him in Germany. Uh.

825
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: I was just talking about him the other day and

826
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:47,720
Speaker 1: now I can't remember this. After jess Gerald, he absolutely destroyed.

827
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: I would say that's the only guy where I was

828
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: literally like I have no chance against this guy. He

829
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: just bullied me. He the two times we played against

830
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 1: against him that year was in Bamberg and I was

831
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: in Oldenburg. He just totally dispointed and um, I mean

832
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 1: I played against some really good one to play. That

833
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 1: was the one guy where I was just like the

834
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 1: crazy ones where you play against the guy who high

835
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: school early college like they were super highly touted, and

836
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: then you're like he sucks. Now, like what happened. I'm

837
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:24,320
Speaker 1: not gonna I'm not gonna name names. I was in

838
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: there's the guy who, um, he gave it to me

839
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: in high school. I'm not gonna lie gave me forty

840
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 1: in high school. High school and he was at six

841
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: five point guard and he was super highly decorated and

842
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: he had a kind of mere courier but fairly successful

843
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: like college career. And then I remember like my my

844
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,280
Speaker 1: last gig was was on a pro B team filling

845
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: in in France Claremont for Rome, and we played against

846
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: I remember like we watched film and I was like

847
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: is that like? And I was watching he was all right,

848
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: and we played against him. What happened? Well, you ever

849
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 1: had one of those where you're like, the guy was

850
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: super highly talented? Play me good? Yes, I mean I

851
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,800
Speaker 1: played against a former high school I'm not also not

852
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: going to name the name, but I played up against

853
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: you got a name you're not in the meeting, you

854
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: don't get did you give it to no um? But

855
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: he was. He was a highly touted guy. And I

856
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 1: played against him in the European Cup game and and

857
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 1: he was playing in Paristeria Athens, and it was just

858
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 1: like wow, this guy played in the league and he

859
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 1: was a little bit older than me. He was a

860
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 1: little bit older than me. Carry I remember remember like

861
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: did Harry the Hair play? I remember Carry the Hair

862
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 1: playing once and I was like, what do you play

863
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 1: the Hall? Yeah? He played, but he was like a

864
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:47,919
Speaker 1: high first round pick of the Clippers. I remember playing

865
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: against some or She's like, oh yeah, there's a lot

866
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 1: of it. Honestly, is because guys get to that part

867
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 1: of their career and they played the NBA and they're

868
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 1: just heart can't do it. You just can't do it. Right.

869
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: If you played in a big school where it's going

870
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: to sell out, it's really hard. And then some guys

871
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: played a big school and play in the NBA. Then

872
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 1: you come to some locker room where dudes are spoken

873
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 1: outside located locker and you just if your heart ain't

874
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:14,959
Speaker 1: in it, you just get to like it doesn't matter

875
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 1: how good a player you are, just hearts on it.

876
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:18,800
Speaker 1: So a lot of times it's not even the guy,

877
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: it's just where they are. The mental space where they

878
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 1: are is not health being successful exactly. Okay, so you've coached,

879
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 1: you've played, you've written a book. Um, you're you're not

880
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 1: fifty years old, and the game has been good to

881
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: you. You You have this long resume. What in five years

882
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: when I check in with you, what are you gonna

883
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 1: be doing? Hopefully I love my job. I'm a educator

884
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: at a private school here in Germany, and I love

885
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: my job. I'll be still working there. Hopefully I will

886
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:54,800
Speaker 1: have written my by then my third book, and hopefully

887
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: those three books will help after that's my that's my

888
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 1: so so you. But you you teach non athletes, you

889
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: teach regular students. Yes, I teach fith grain, grain and

890
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: no idea who I was or what I did. They

891
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 1: all know I played basketball, but for for them, I

892
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 1: missed them and I'm the greatest thing since peanut butter

893
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 1: and Joe? What subject? Do you teach? English? That's amazing?

894
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: So in your brain when you think you do you

895
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: think in German? Or do you think in English? Both?

896
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 1: My wife is half Greek and half German. Our kids

897
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: are growing up by lingual. Um. I speak quite a

898
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: bit of German. Um. We watched TV and German. I

899
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,839
Speaker 1: watched Netflix in German because my wife hates to watch

900
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:45,359
Speaker 1: English stuff with me because I was corrected. Um. But yeah,

901
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 1: I think in both. I also dream in German. Really

902
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:55,919
Speaker 1: yeah weird? Yeah, it's good. Game? Is that big in Germany? Yes?

903
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 1: Do you like it? Yes? I don't know. I liked

904
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 1: it for the social aspect, aspects of the social themes, um,

905
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: the gory stuff. Okay, I don't understand why. It's really

906
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 1: really like my I have a twelve year old son

907
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,359
Speaker 1: and he's like he watched it before I did, and

908
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:18,879
Speaker 1: he's like he was like Dad, you gotta watch frid Game.

909
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 1: It's awesome. So I'm watching, like, oh my god, my

910
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 1: phoold wants like, yeah, I know, the gory stuff it

911
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 1: was okay, but I love the old man and that

912
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: the whole social table around him. How we treat old people?

913
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 1: How how you know the social aspects of the movie.

914
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:42,359
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed the goory stuff. Okay, but I don't

915
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,399
Speaker 1: understand why it's the biggest Netflix show of all time.

916
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: But okay, I don't either. It's it's interesting, right, Like

917
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 1: you would have thought whatever the biggest netflixce would have

918
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 1: been last year when everybody was was lockedown? What was

919
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 1: what was lockdown like for you guys? Uh in Germany

920
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 1: was strict? It was. I mean it's still strict here.

921
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 1: It's still a lot of a lot of we have

922
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 1: to wear masks a lot. It's there's still a lot

923
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 1: going on. Even in my school. It's we have to

924
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 1: we have to sit in with what is the feeling

925
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: like when when the story comes to German TV, like

926
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 1: Kyrie Irving, I don't want to do the bat the

927
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 1: Vac's mandate. How does that land in in in their culture?

928
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:27,439
Speaker 1: It's here because everything has been so strict. We When

929
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 1: I say we, I'm European, I came. I've been in

930
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:32,959
Speaker 1: Europe longer than I've lived in America, so I'm pretty

931
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:36,280
Speaker 1: much a European guy. Now, Um, we see things different

932
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: and I just a small thing on small take on Kyrie.

933
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 1: I think it's everybody's decision. You've got a job. If

934
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 1: your job says you have to do it, and you

935
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:47,799
Speaker 1: decide not to do it, you have to live with

936
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:49,879
Speaker 1: the consequences. And I guess that's what he's lived. He's

937
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,879
Speaker 1: he's ready to do. We'll see how it plays out.

938
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 1: But um, I mean, I'm vaccinating myself. But for me,

939
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 1: it was a choice not from my school, my job

940
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,320
Speaker 1: just I wouldn't I would like to protect other people,

941
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 1: but everybody has their own thing. But see, I thought

942
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 1: that's kind of the that's the whole theme that is like,

943
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,479
Speaker 1: it's it's the opposite Kyrie's way of looking at it is, Hey,

944
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:16,320
Speaker 1: this is about me and my personal freedoms, but you

945
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:18,439
Speaker 1: shouldn't call me selfish for it. On the other hand,

946
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 1: the whole reason you do it because he's not going

947
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 1: to get sick from COVID, you know, not. Wood is

948
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 1: protecting everybody else and protecting it from metamorphosizing into something

949
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 1: far worse whatever. So I actually think it's counter to

950
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: his thought, but a part of it is also it's Kyrie, right,

951
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 1: He's so yeah, he's different, he's different, but he's also

952
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: one of those guys like, look, I'm a contrarian by nature,

953
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 1: but like that gets the point. You're like, dude, you're

954
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 1: just being a contrarier to be a contrarian. And I

955
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:49,359
Speaker 1: don't think he has the equity to cash in, you know. Yeah,

956
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: I think that would that that would be that, that

957
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: would be my my main issue. Um, if there was

958
00:51:55,719 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 1: one thing you wish you knew when you are coming

959
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 1: out of college that you know now, it would it

960
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:10,760
Speaker 1: be as well as basketball is concerned, basketball life, Um,

961
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 1: I would have I would have told my younger self

962
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:17,760
Speaker 1: to enjoy the moment of living in Europe a little

963
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: bit more than I did. Right at the beginning. I

964
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: didn't really enjoy it the way I should have until

965
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 1: muchly after I changed my citizenship and stuff like that.

966
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 1: It's a good one. Okay, Well we're gonna tout the book.

967
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 1: I really appreciate you spent some time with us than

968
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 1: you really appreciate awesome. I appreciate you reaching out to

969
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 1: me as well, like that's those the kind of dudes

970
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: that I relate to relate to all your stories. Um,

971
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: I can't wait to read the book myself. Get that.

972
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna send it to you. You send me you're addressing,

973
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: I'll send it to great, I will read it. I

974
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 1: got the Patriots book. I'm reading that. I'm gonna read that.

975
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: I'm read that. But I got you. It doesn't matter.

976
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 1: I really appreciate your time and get that back right,

977
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 1: No problem, I appreciate I appreciate you having me on thay, Sean,

978
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 1: No problem, all right, thanks Sean for joining for joining me.

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Speaker 1: It's Doug Gottlieb here on the All Ball Podcast. Reminder

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981
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982
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