WEBVTT - The Girlfriends S4/E3: The Two Day Trial

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, it's Nikki, the host of The Girlfriend's Untouchable. This

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<v Speaker 1>episode will tell the story of how an incredible group

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<v Speaker 1>of people in my city fought to get justice for

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<v Speaker 1>the people they love. But in the process we'll hear

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<v Speaker 1>stories that involve violence, murder, suicide, and sexual assault. While

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<v Speaker 1>it's rooted in hope, it may be a tough listen

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<v Speaker 1>at times if you or someone you love has been

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<v Speaker 1>affected by any of the themes in the show. We've

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<v Speaker 1>left some links in the description that offer resources and

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<v Speaker 1>support take care of yourself. There are some numbers I'm

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<v Speaker 1>always going to remember my childhood best friend's birthday, my

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<v Speaker 1>mom's old phone number, and the address of the house

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<v Speaker 1>I lived in as a little kid. For Lamont McIntyre,

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<v Speaker 1>those memorable numbers are a five digit.

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<v Speaker 2>Code six, so five five eight.

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<v Speaker 1>The inmate number he was given at seventeen years old.

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<v Speaker 3>I was processed as a maximum security in made because

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<v Speaker 3>I had two murders, so I became six or five

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<v Speaker 3>five eight now no more than Lamon mgnatarre.

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<v Speaker 1>He was sent to Hutchinson Correctional Facility, a state prison.

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<v Speaker 2>They called it Gladair School.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the most tension field bottom place you ever going

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<v Speaker 3>your life.

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<v Speaker 1>The first ten years in prison were rough. Lamon had

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<v Speaker 1>been convicted of a double homicide. He insisted he had

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<v Speaker 1>nothing to do with the experience plunged him into a deep.

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<v Speaker 3>Depression, and they had me on suicide watch. As a

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<v Speaker 3>young person, I don't know how to deal with that.

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<v Speaker 3>So my nickname became Mugs because I never smiled. I

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<v Speaker 3>started losing my hair, I started losing my health.

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<v Speaker 1>While he would occasionally get visits from people he loved,

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<v Speaker 1>Lamont realized that the life he'd left on the outside

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<v Speaker 1>was moving on without him. He went through deep phases

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<v Speaker 1>of despair until he made a friend behind barr And

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<v Speaker 1>there was.

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<v Speaker 3>A guy named Shorty. And there Shorty was dying and

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<v Speaker 3>there was no cure for him.

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<v Speaker 2>He was dying. He knew it.

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<v Speaker 1>Shorty had severe liver damage, but he stared death in

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<v Speaker 1>the eye with an inspiring level of clarity.

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<v Speaker 3>Shorty had the most peaceful demeanor. He was so peaceful.

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<v Speaker 3>He told me about spirituality. When I learned about being

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<v Speaker 3>more peaceful, more calm, more in the moment, I started

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<v Speaker 3>to educate myself. I started to meditate, I started to exercise.

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<v Speaker 3>My mindset changed when my mindset changed. Everything changed. At

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<v Speaker 3>the ten years of being there, I started the focus.

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<v Speaker 1>On getting out, and the perfect opportunity came along when

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<v Speaker 1>one of his prison buddies gave him a gift.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not the Jet magazines, and these jet magazines were

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<v Speaker 3>sitting here on Ministries.

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<v Speaker 1>An organization that helps exonerate innocent people who've been falsely convicted.

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<v Speaker 1>Lamont exchanged letters with Centurion Ministries for years as he

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<v Speaker 1>tried to get them to take on his case. In

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and nine, he finally got a visit from

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<v Speaker 1>their founder, Jim mcclowskey.

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<v Speaker 3>He was November and it was cold, and he walked

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<v Speaker 3>into the visitor room.

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<v Speaker 1>Lamont felt a flicker of hope as he realized that

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<v Speaker 1>the older white man in the room, Jim, was there

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<v Speaker 1>to see him.

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<v Speaker 3>He gave me a hug and he looked at me.

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<v Speaker 3>He said, I got some good news for you. I said,

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<v Speaker 3>what's the good news? He said, We're taking your case.

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<v Speaker 1>Lamont was relieved to finally have a legal team willing

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<v Speaker 1>to fight for him, but then they started digging into

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<v Speaker 1>the case.

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<v Speaker 3>My lawd come to see me and say you were

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<v Speaker 3>set up. I said, what do you mean.

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<v Speaker 1>Set up by Who and Why.

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<v Speaker 4>Why.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Nikki Richardson and from the teams at Novel and

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<v Speaker 1>iHeart Podcasts, This is the Girlfriend's Untouchable. By episode three

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<v Speaker 1>the two day trial, Lamart McIntyre had found a team

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<v Speaker 1>of lawyers to look into his case.

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<v Speaker 3>Starting out, we just wanted to find out how did

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<v Speaker 3>I end up in this situation.

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<v Speaker 1>They needed to examine every aspect of the nineteen ninety

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<v Speaker 1>four investigation into the murders of Donnielle Quinn and Donnie Ewing.

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<v Speaker 1>Lamont's legal team's theory that he had been set up

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<v Speaker 1>was based on two things. First, the witness testimonies which

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<v Speaker 1>had put Lamont at the scene of the murders.

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<v Speaker 3>Doing my lawyer's investigation, they come to find out that

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<v Speaker 3>the district attorney and Tara Moore.

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<v Speaker 2>Had cheated She threatened the witnesses.

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<v Speaker 1>We reached out to Tara moorehead and her lawyer to

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<v Speaker 1>ask her about Nico's claims of witness intimidation. She did

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<v Speaker 1>not wish to provide a comment. Nico Quinn had recanted

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<v Speaker 1>her testimony back in the nineties when Lamont first tried

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<v Speaker 1>to appeal his case. That had come to nothing, but

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<v Speaker 1>when the Mont's legal team reached out to her again.

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<v Speaker 1>In twenty fourteen, she signed another affidavit confessing her false testimony,

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<v Speaker 1>and there was more. Lamont's lawyers had gone in wanting

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<v Speaker 1>to build a case for his innocence, but they kept

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<v Speaker 1>finding stories about the detective at the heart of the investigation.

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<v Speaker 2>The Raja Glupski thing popped up in my lawyer's face.

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<v Speaker 1>Lamont's mother, Rose, had been sexually assaulted by Gallupski back

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<v Speaker 1>in the eighties, but back then she'd been too scared

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<v Speaker 1>of what he could do to her to report him

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<v Speaker 1>or speak out, so she kept her story a secret

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<v Speaker 1>out of fear that Gallupski might enact revenge. But now

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<v Speaker 1>that her son had a solid legal team around him

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<v Speaker 1>and culture was shifting to better support victims, Rose decided

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<v Speaker 1>it was finally time to speak out. She hoped it

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<v Speaker 1>would help her son's case, but finding out that his

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<v Speaker 1>mother had been holding on to her painful secret for

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<v Speaker 1>so long hit Lamont hard.

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<v Speaker 3>I felt angry. I wanted to hurt that man his

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<v Speaker 3>due violated my mother.

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<v Speaker 1>Glupski had sexually as Rose intimidated Nico and rushed through

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<v Speaker 1>a flawed investigation that had put Lamont behind bars. But

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<v Speaker 1>as Lamont's lawyers dig deeper, they learned that the Queen's

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<v Speaker 1>and McIntyre's weren't his only victims. They were on the

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<v Speaker 1>edge of a shocking discovery, and.

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<v Speaker 3>That changed the direction and altered the direction of my

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<v Speaker 3>whole life.

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<v Speaker 1>By twenty sixteen, Lamont's legal team had built up a

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<v Speaker 1>case to try and prove his innocence, but they needed

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<v Speaker 1>someone to help them further investigate Gelupski's history of misconduct,

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<v Speaker 1>so they asked around until they found the perfect woman

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<v Speaker 1>for the job.

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<v Speaker 5>I am Kadizra Hardaway. I grew up in Kansas City, Missouri.

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<v Speaker 1>Kadija is a black woman in her early fifties who

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<v Speaker 1>loves God, art and helping people feel confident by doing

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<v Speaker 1>their hair. The other central pillar of her life is

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<v Speaker 1>social justice.

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<v Speaker 5>Growing up, I was probably the most outspoken child in

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<v Speaker 5>my family, and I still am. I was taught to

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<v Speaker 5>be an activist, probably at the age of five, like

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<v Speaker 5>I've been holding a bullhorn for that long. I'm fifty now.

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<v Speaker 1>Kadija had spent years working with Alvin Sykes, a civil

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<v Speaker 1>rights advocate who helped bring about the Emmet Till unsolved

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<v Speaker 1>civil Rights Crime Act of two thousand and seven. The

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<v Speaker 1>act allowed historic unsolved crimes committed against African Americans before

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy to be reopened by law enforcement, especially crimes

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<v Speaker 1>related to the civil rights movement.

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<v Speaker 5>We went around a country asking people to come forward

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<v Speaker 5>so that their loved ones, if they were civil rights

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<v Speaker 5>or human rights activists, their one's murders could be investigated.

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<v Speaker 5>So I always find a way, I guess the spiritifires

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<v Speaker 5>a way to have me work in cold cases.

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<v Speaker 1>It was this background in unsolved crimes which led Lamont

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<v Speaker 1>McIntyre's lawyers to reach out to Kadeza for help.

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<v Speaker 5>When I heard the story, it was heart wrenching, right,

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<v Speaker 5>but I didn't know who he was. I'd never seen

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<v Speaker 5>a story in the media or anything.

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<v Speaker 1>The more Kadiza discovered about what Lamont had been through

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<v Speaker 1>at the hands of Detective Glupski, the more determined she

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<v Speaker 1>became to get to the bottom of what had really

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<v Speaker 1>been going on.

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<v Speaker 5>And it was like we needed to get justice.

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<v Speaker 1>In the spring of twenty seventeen, Lamont's legal team holds

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<v Speaker 1>a press conference to raise awareness of his case. The

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<v Speaker 1>venue is first Baptist church in Kansas City, Kansas a

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<v Speaker 1>large red brick church which sits on Fifth Street, just

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<v Speaker 1>blocks away from the courthouse.

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<v Speaker 5>All of media of Kansas City was in the room.

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<v Speaker 5>Every channel, every newspaper was in the room.

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<v Speaker 1>The pews are filled with cameras and journalists holding microphones.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a speaker's podium below the poolpit.

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<v Speaker 5>The Kansasity, Kanson, the Kansas City Star, Channel four, five, nine,

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<v Speaker 5>and forty one were all in the room.

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<v Speaker 1>As the press conference begins, speakers are symbol beside the podium.

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<v Speaker 5>There was Reverend Rowland, who is the minister at First

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<v Speaker 5>Baptist Church, along with Lamont McIntyre's mother and lawyers.

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<v Speaker 1>They all speak about their role in the case, and

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<v Speaker 1>then they passed the mic to Khadija, who stands tall

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<v Speaker 1>and looks straight ahead at the audience of reporters, steady

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<v Speaker 1>beneath the glare of a dozen lenses. She asked that

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<v Speaker 1>anybody who has stories about Roger Glupski or their experiences

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<v Speaker 1>with the police department get in contact with her. She

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<v Speaker 1>records her piece and goes home. When clips of the

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<v Speaker 1>press conference are aired on TV that day, the response

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<v Speaker 1>is astonishing.

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<v Speaker 5>Once it hit the media, my phone immediately started ringing

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<v Speaker 5>like I probably got when the first ten minutes of

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<v Speaker 5>the news for broadcasts coming on, I probably got five

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<v Speaker 5>calls of people saying, Hey, I know that guy, I

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<v Speaker 5>know what he did to this person. I know what

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<v Speaker 5>he did to that person.

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<v Speaker 1>And the stories kept coming.

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<v Speaker 5>I began to get calls from people who lived in

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<v Speaker 5>Wyandot County who had loved ones who were affected one

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<v Speaker 5>way or another by Roger Galuski and or the police department.

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<v Speaker 1>In that moment, Kadizu realized that this story was much

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<v Speaker 1>bigger than she'd imagined. What had begun as a plea

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<v Speaker 1>to help exonerate one man was about to become a

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<v Speaker 1>movement to expose decade's worth of abuse, and Khadiza was

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<v Speaker 1>about to have a conversation with a woman whose story

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<v Speaker 1>would change everything. I got you, I got you, I

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<v Speaker 1>got you. One of the first survivors Kadeza Hardaway spoke

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<v Speaker 1>to while trying to gather information to exonerate Lamont was

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<v Speaker 1>Ophelia Williams in twenty seventeen. Ophelia is a black woman

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<v Speaker 1>in her mid fifties with locks and weary eyes. Kadiza

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<v Speaker 1>recalls the meeting for the first time. At first Baptist

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<v Speaker 1>church in Kansas City, Kansas. They were introduced by the

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<v Speaker 1>director of a local social justice organization.

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<v Speaker 5>When I first met her, she was really timid. I

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<v Speaker 5>wouldn't necessarily say there was like this spear in her,

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<v Speaker 5>but you could sense the deep pain in her from

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<v Speaker 5>what she had experienced.

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<v Speaker 1>After talking for a little while and getting comfortable, Ophilia

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<v Speaker 1>told Kadija her story, which began nearly twenty years earlier.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a summer day in the August of nineteen ninety nine,

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<v Speaker 1>and Ophilia William's two sons, Ronelle and Donnelle, have just

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<v Speaker 1>been arrested in Kansas City, Kansas, on suspicion of a

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<v Speaker 1>double homicide. Their children only fourteen, but they were sent

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<v Speaker 1>to the police station and questioned without their mother or

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<v Speaker 1>a lawyer present. Ophilia is devastated, sitting at home in

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<v Speaker 1>a state of despair. Aphelia didn't speak publicly at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>but she did talk to the press years later about

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<v Speaker 1>what happened to her.

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<v Speaker 4>To Looseby arrested my twin sons at the age of fourteen.

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<v Speaker 4>While they locked up in jail, he decided to come

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<v Speaker 4>over my house.

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<v Speaker 1>Ophelia tells the story of how Gelupski sat beside her

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<v Speaker 1>on her couch and told her that he knew people

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<v Speaker 1>who could help her sons with their case, but he

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<v Speaker 1>spent the entire conversation leering at her, looking at her

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<v Speaker 1>body in a way that made her uncomfortable. After a moment,

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<v Speaker 1>he placed his hand on her leg. Ophilia slapped it away,

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<v Speaker 1>but he persisted.

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<v Speaker 4>Golosey rape me. He came back and back. I said,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna tell and he said who you gonna tell?

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<v Speaker 4>I said, I'm look all the police. He said, I

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<v Speaker 4>am the police.

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<v Speaker 1>If she couldn't turn to the authorities to report sexual

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<v Speaker 1>assault because the man who had done it was a

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<v Speaker 1>police officer, who could she turn to. Kadizu realized the

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<v Speaker 1>story was early similar to that of Rose McIntyre, Lamont's mother,

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<v Speaker 1>who Gulupski had assaulted before targeting her child.

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<v Speaker 4>The reason why it took me so long to come out,

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<v Speaker 4>like I said, my twins was only fourteen and Geloospi

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<v Speaker 4>knew a lot of people in jail.

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<v Speaker 1>Gulupski used his authority in the Kansas City, Kansas Police

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<v Speaker 1>Department to enter Aphilia's home and use the threat of

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<v Speaker 1>something happening to her sons against her, despite Kallupski's empty

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<v Speaker 1>promises to help them. Ronelle and Donnelle were convicted of

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<v Speaker 1>the double homicide in two thousand. Donnell took a plea

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<v Speaker 1>deal and was given two concurrent life sentences. Ronelle maintained

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<v Speaker 1>his innocence. His sentence will have him in prison until

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<v Speaker 1>twenty fifty. Kadiza was struck by how much Aphilia had

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<v Speaker 1>been holding on to alone.

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<v Speaker 5>You definitely got the sense of pain and almost like

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<v Speaker 5>a sense of urgency. You know, most victims, they seem

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<v Speaker 5>to have a sense of urgency. You can just feel

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<v Speaker 5>like this intensity for something to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>And the stories kept coming. Some people told Khadija that

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<v Speaker 1>they thought Gallupski was targeting their families. Others suspected that

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<v Speaker 1>he'd framed their relatives for crimes they hadn't committed. But

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<v Speaker 1>the majority of calls came from women who found themselves

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<v Speaker 1>embroiled in a pattern of abuse. Kadiza's phone kept ringing.

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<v Speaker 1>There were more and more stories about Detective Glupski.

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<v Speaker 5>How he stalked them, sitting on their porch, sitting in

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<v Speaker 5>front of their house, shining lights in their house in

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<v Speaker 5>the middle of the night, calling people and just hanging

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<v Speaker 5>up on them, following them on the road. Not just

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<v Speaker 5>one person following them, but multiple people following them, the

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<v Speaker 5>same kind of vehicles, same kind of cars mentioned in

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<v Speaker 5>these stories.

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<v Speaker 1>They had spent years siloed in silence, But as Kadiza

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<v Speaker 1>compiled the story she was hearing, she began to map

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<v Speaker 1>out the connections between Gallupski and families across the city,

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<v Speaker 1>women who'd been too scared to speak out until now.

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<v Speaker 1>The mcintires had spent years saying that Roger Glupski was

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<v Speaker 1>at the heart of the miscarriage of justice that had

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<v Speaker 1>decimated their family, but their investigation had opened the floodgates

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<v Speaker 1>to dozens of stories from women and families just like them,

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<v Speaker 1>people in the community whose lives had been destroyed by Gallupski.

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<v Speaker 1>It was enough to start building a case for Lamont's innocence.

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<v Speaker 5>I wouldn't necessarily say I thought I was prepared for

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<v Speaker 5>the kind of fight that we took on. I just

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<v Speaker 5>knew that it was important that we capitalized after that time,

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<v Speaker 5>and so I encouraged that community to fight back.

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<v Speaker 1>Nico Quinn was on board. Lamont's lawyers were locked in

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<v Speaker 1>and there was evidence going back years. Now, all they

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<v Speaker 1>needed to do was convince a court of law. In

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<v Speaker 1>twenty seventeen, the city Kansas got a new district attorney,

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<v Speaker 1>their first ever black DA, Mark Dupree. He had grown

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<v Speaker 1>up in Casey, k and had known about Lamon's case

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<v Speaker 1>for years.

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<v Speaker 6>Lamont McIntyre when he went into custody, he was just

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<v Speaker 6>about three years I believe older than me. People talked

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<v Speaker 6>about it, and people on the street knew about it,

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<v Speaker 6>and my church was not far from the location where

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<v Speaker 6>all of this transpired.

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<v Speaker 1>Dupre had direct connection to the community, and his role

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<v Speaker 1>is the city's first black DA felt like a sign

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<v Speaker 1>that things were changing. So Lamont's legal team did what

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<v Speaker 1>they could to make reinvestigating Lamon's case his top priority.

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<v Speaker 6>I was bombarded by the criminal defense attorneys who had

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<v Speaker 6>been working with Lamont, sending me tons of information that

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<v Speaker 6>the community was not aware of concerning his case and said, listen,

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<v Speaker 6>if you get in there, you have to look into this.

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<v Speaker 1>Dupre went to the prison to go and visit Lamont

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<v Speaker 1>and talk to him about his case.

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<v Speaker 3>I said, Danny came in. He said, what do you

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<v Speaker 3>want to say to me? I said, fout evidence. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not gonna say anything. I'm not gonna beg you for

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<v Speaker 3>my life. I'm not gonna do anything I said. All

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<v Speaker 3>I want you to do is fault evidence.

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<v Speaker 6>It was at that point that I really began to

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<v Speaker 6>take a real strong legal look at this case, not

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<v Speaker 6>the you know, the system just you know, gets over

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<v Speaker 6>on people type of viewpoint, but more so of okay,

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<v Speaker 6>what's happening and what's going on.

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<v Speaker 1>When Da Dupre looked into how the investigation had been conducted,

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<v Speaker 1>he was surprised to see just how quickly things had unfolded.

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<v Speaker 1>Back in nineteen ninety four, Lamont had been arrested just

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<v Speaker 1>hours after the shooting without any clear motive.

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<v Speaker 6>Ultimately, it becomes the fastest investigation concerning a homicide ever

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<v Speaker 6>to know, man, I think it took six hours, maybe

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<v Speaker 6>eight to ultimately have Lamont McIntyre locked up and ready

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<v Speaker 6>to be charged for a crime of double homicide.

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<v Speaker 1>To pre examine the holes in the police investigation in

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<v Speaker 1>Nico's claim that former DA Tara Moorehead had allegedly used

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<v Speaker 1>witness intimidation to build her case.

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<v Speaker 6>The facts ends up coming out that the story was

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<v Speaker 6>not as it was told. In fact, the evidence ends

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<v Speaker 6>up showing that this young lady tried to withdraw her testimony.

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<v Speaker 1>The evidence was damning building in Lamont's favor, but the

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<v Speaker 1>DA needed more.

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<v Speaker 6>I went to multiple prisons to speak to individuals who

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<v Speaker 6>were witnesses, individuals who were king pans back in the day,

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<v Speaker 6>Individuals who refused to talk back then, but was absolutely involved.

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<v Speaker 1>In October twenty seventeen, people from across Kansas City returned

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<v Speaker 1>to the Windye County District Court. Die Dupree walked in

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<v Speaker 1>equipped with his findings. The Mont's legal team laid out

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<v Speaker 1>all the flaws they found in the original investigation and

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<v Speaker 1>the evidence they gathered to try to prove his innocence.

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<v Speaker 1>Another key piece of evidence was the testimony of Cecil Brooks,

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<v Speaker 1>he and a guy called Monster, where the drug dealers

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<v Speaker 1>Nico Quinn thought were responsible for her cousin Danielle's murder.

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<v Speaker 1>Lamont's lawyers had found Cecil and questioned him about what

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<v Speaker 1>had really gone down in nineteen ninety four. Here's part

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<v Speaker 1>of what he had to say in a NAFFA David

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<v Speaker 1>read by an actor.

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<v Speaker 7>There was some conversation about Donnie still in dope.

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<v Speaker 1>By Donnie, he means Danielle Quinn Nko's cousin.

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<v Speaker 7>Some dope came up missing and he did not return

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<v Speaker 7>with what he stole. As a result, two junkies, Donnie

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<v Speaker 7>and the other Quinn got killed.

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<v Speaker 1>And here's the kicker.

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<v Speaker 7>Cecil alleges, the guy who got convicted for these murders

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<v Speaker 7>had nothing to do with it.

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<v Speaker 2>None of us had ever heard of him.

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<v Speaker 7>Monster did the murders, Monster got paid to do the murder,

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<v Speaker 7>the wrong guy got arrested.

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<v Speaker 1>Cecil's allegations about Monster were never proven in a court

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<v Speaker 1>of law, and Monster was never charged. After sitting in

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<v Speaker 1>court for two days and listening to evidence and testimonies

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<v Speaker 1>about how his case had been handled, Lamont went back

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<v Speaker 1>to his holding cell. All he could do was wait.

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<v Speaker 3>Normally I would sit there for forty five minutes, and

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<v Speaker 3>today break I sat there for that long, and then

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<v Speaker 3>something told me something was going on, but I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know what. So when I got back to the courtroom,

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<v Speaker 3>it was real quiet, and my lawyer was sitting across

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<v Speaker 3>from me. She was looking down and I asked her,

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<v Speaker 3>what's going on. She says, I don't know what's going on.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm sitting there, Mark dupre get up. He walks

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<v Speaker 3>to the podium and he starts speaking. He says, I

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<v Speaker 3>want to introduce Exhibit A through z is evidence.

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<v Speaker 1>Dupree talked about the evidence Lamont's team had brought forward

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<v Speaker 1>and the information he found through his own investigation. The

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<v Speaker 1>trial was supposed to last around a week.

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<v Speaker 6>By day two, on top of all of my investigation,

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<v Speaker 6>it was very clear that the information they was providing

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<v Speaker 6>aligned with the information that I had saw.

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<v Speaker 1>Dupree had come to a conclusion about Lamont's conviction.

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<v Speaker 6>He did not received a fair trial, He was not

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<v Speaker 6>given adequate assistance and defense, along with the many other

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<v Speaker 6>issues that occurred. But that was the real basis of

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<v Speaker 6>the manifest injustice and this case. If you take away

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<v Speaker 6>all of the fake stuff, if you take away all

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<v Speaker 6>of the potential corruption, and you get down to the

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<v Speaker 6>nitty gritty, which is what I ultimately did. The bottom

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<v Speaker 6>line was that there was not enough facts or evidence

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<v Speaker 6>to prove that Lamont did this.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't do his crime. The DA presents his final summary.

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<v Speaker 3>And all of a sudden I heard him say, and

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<v Speaker 3>I would like to drop all charges. They moved so fast,

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<v Speaker 3>and having so fast, I felt the room shake. Everybody

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<v Speaker 3>in the room just go crazy. I felt the eruption

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<v Speaker 3>of the roar of the room.

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<v Speaker 1>Lamont is finally free. He changes into regular clothes for

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<v Speaker 1>the first time in twenty three years and walks out

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<v Speaker 1>into the sun.

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<v Speaker 2>My mother. I saw her and I hugged her.

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<v Speaker 1>In that moment, Lamont felt numb, but that feeling would

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<v Speaker 1>eventually turn to relief. The last time he hugged his

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<v Speaker 1>mother Rose, he'd been a regular sixteen year old boy

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<v Speaker 1>trying to get through high school. At forty one, he's

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<v Speaker 1>a grown man who spent more than half of his

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<v Speaker 1>life behind bars. Now he's finally free to dream about

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<v Speaker 1>the life that lays ahead of him, But first he

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<v Speaker 1>has to come to terms with everything his teenage self

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<v Speaker 1>left behind.

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<v Speaker 3>I walked out to a bunch of strangers that I

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<v Speaker 3>had no connection with and my siblings. They look different,

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<v Speaker 3>my friends I was really close to.

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<v Speaker 1>But there was one stranger in the crowd who he

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<v Speaker 1>does recognize.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw the witnesses when I marked up to me,

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<v Speaker 2>and she looked sick.

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<v Speaker 8>Nico Quinn, I was nervous, and what played in my

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<v Speaker 8>head is this seventeen year old boy that I seen

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<v Speaker 8>when he was seventeen. I hadn't seen him since then,

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<v Speaker 8>so I had wrote a letter to Lamont, and it

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<v Speaker 8>was just telling him that the twenty three years that

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<v Speaker 8>he was incarcerated, so was I.

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<v Speaker 5>Mentally.

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<v Speaker 8>I had butterflies because I didn't know what his response

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<v Speaker 8>to me would be.

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<v Speaker 1>When they find each other outside court, all those worries

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<v Speaker 1>fade away. I was able to hug him and tell

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<v Speaker 1>him I was sorry, and.

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<v Speaker 2>I hugged her, and I whispered too, I forgive you.

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<v Speaker 3>I have been given her a long time ago, and

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<v Speaker 3>I felt so there was a young person that was

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<v Speaker 3>taking advantage of two I done. Had no harm it

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<v Speaker 3>will towards her, But I seen her. I hugged her,

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<v Speaker 3>and I whispered to, I forgive you. Being hateful and

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<v Speaker 3>spiteful and angry that other people will only hurt you.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't hold that energy inside of me because I'm

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<v Speaker 3>the only one being affected by it.

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<v Speaker 2>So I learned how to forgive people to free myself.

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<v Speaker 1>Lamont is exonerated and Niko is freed of her guilt.

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<v Speaker 1>But this story is not over. From the outside, it

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<v Speaker 1>looked like the case of a seemingly corrupt assistant district

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<v Speaker 1>attorney and a crooked cop coming together to frame an

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<v Speaker 1>innocent man. But in looking for stories to help exonerate Lamont,

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<v Speaker 1>Kadija had stumbled across something even darker, the decades worth

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<v Speaker 1>of abuse Detective Roger Glupski had inflicted on women across

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<v Speaker 1>Kansas City. And she was now determined to get justice.

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<v Speaker 5>And so I was motivated to bring these women's story

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<v Speaker 5>to life on a national platform.

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<v Speaker 1>Because the time had come to stand up and speak

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<v Speaker 1>out about Roger Gallupski.

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<v Speaker 5>You may think you have the power today, but as

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<v Speaker 5>God is my witness, the power is with the people,

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<v Speaker 5>and we're going to turn the tables on you. You're

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<v Speaker 5>coming out of here.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up on the Girlfriends Untouchable.

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<v Speaker 5>He looks like the person who would cut up the

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<v Speaker 5>cat and put it in his street.

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<v Speaker 1>He does look hard, but he looks like somebody who would.

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<v Speaker 2>Get away with it. Roger just being Roger. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>that's kind of like a boye We'll be boy.

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<v Speaker 5>It's just speaks to how tough this Fike is all

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<v Speaker 5>the time.

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<v Speaker 9>And I'm like, Father, God, why is this soul? Why

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<v Speaker 9>am I the last one to talk to these women?

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<v Speaker 9>And then they're gone.

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<v Speaker 1>The Girlfriend's Untouchable is produced by Novel for iHeart Podcasts.

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<v Speaker 1>For more from novel, visit novel dot Audio. The show

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<v Speaker 1>is narrated by me Niki Richardson. It was written and

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<v Speaker 1>produced by Rufaro Mazarura. The editor is Joe Wheeler. Our

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<v Speaker 1>assistant producer is Mohammed Ahmed. The researcher is Zaiyana Yusef.

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<v Speaker 1>Production management from Shuri Houston and Joe Savage. The fact

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<v Speaker 1>checker is Fendel Fulton. Sound design, mixing and scoring by

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<v Speaker 1>Daniel Kon with additional engineering by Nicholas Alexander. Music supervision

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<v Speaker 1>by Rufara Masurura, Nicholas Alexander, and Joe Wheeler. Original music

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<v Speaker 1>by Amanda Jones. The Girlfriend's theme was composed by Amanda

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<v Speaker 1>Jones and Louisa Gerstein. The series artwork was designed by

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<v Speaker 1>Christina Limpole. Story development by Olivia Smart and Nel Gray Andrews.

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<v Speaker 1>Novel's director of development is Selena Metta. Willard Foxton is

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<v Speaker 1>Novel's creative director of Development. Max O'Brien and Craig Strachan

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<v Speaker 1>are executive producers for Novel. Katrina Norvel and Nikki Etour

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<v Speaker 1>are the executive producers for iHeart Podcast and the marketing

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<v Speaker 1>lead is Alison Cantor. Special thanks to Will Pearson, and

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<v Speaker 1>a special thanks to Carley Frankel and the whole team

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<v Speaker 1>at w ME.