1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stephane. 2 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:18,639 Speaker 1: Never told you a protection of I heart Radio and 3 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: it's time for another female first, which means we are 4 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:25,079 Speaker 1: once again thrilled to be joined by the one, the only, 5 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: the amazing. He's welcome, Eaves, Thank you. I feel like 6 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: I'm stepping into a circus like or something very it's 7 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: the most basically involved gentle supporter. Serious. Yes, too early 8 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 1: for acrobatics, but some vocal acrobatics perhaps. Oh yeah, you 9 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 1: know what we were just having. As we mentioned before, 10 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: we like to discuss talk before before we start recording, 11 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: and we were just having a very interesting discussion about 12 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: sleep and what constitutes a nap. And I would love 13 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: for listeners to weigh in on that because I remember 14 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: when I first started podcasting, one of the first episodes 15 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: I worked on was like, have we made sleep into 16 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: too much? Like? Are we stressing ourselves out too fresh 17 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: about getting sleep and that makes it so we can't 18 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: sleep anymore. It's become a stressful thing for a lot 19 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 1: of people. Yeah, And I have a feeling it's going 20 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: to be a very controversial ask for people to answer that, 21 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: because I know, I know there are some people who 22 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: love naps, but it's also naps themselves. Is a very 23 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:35,680 Speaker 1: divisive topic, Like there are some people who are like 24 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:37,400 Speaker 1: I can't do it at all, Like I have to 25 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: got a power through the day. Sleep comes at the 26 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: end or the beginning, depending on whatever your personal schedule is. 27 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: But yeah, it is controversial. It's the beginning and the end. 28 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 1: The beginning. Oh you get philosophical riddle. Well, that is 29 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: a good seg way into who we're talking about, because 30 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: we've talked before. Also, we love poetry on this show, 31 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:11,079 Speaker 1: and we've all dabbled, for better or worse, into writing 32 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: her own poetry. Uh, I still wish I could find. 33 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:17,799 Speaker 1: Next time I visit my mom's house, I'm going to 34 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 1: try to find my old high school poetry book and 35 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 1: I'll read someone here. Okay, you're sure you want to 36 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 1: dig those up? Yes I do. Yeah, I've got like 37 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: four or five of my journal books that were specific 38 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: two poems. I think I'm made to book five. They 39 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 1: are not cute, we'll just say it that way. And 40 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 1: my poor Zang aside, that's what I've talked about before, 41 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: also is riddled with really bad poetry that I can 42 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 1: never access again. Oh, this is like like me feeling 43 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: like an archaeologist trying to excavate something I want to 44 00:02:55,919 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 1: find that I tried, I cannot. I don't know about 45 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: old poetry, so I don't know if I told you this. 46 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 1: I might have last time, but I did at one 47 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 1: point digging through my mom the stuff that I had 48 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 1: in my mom's found an old book of wraps that 49 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 1: I wrote. No, I don't remember this at all. I 50 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 1: used to write raps. Yeah, it was a lot of 51 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: fun me with with a friend I get friend of mine. 52 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: But I also found recently, well I didn't find them. 53 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 1: I've literally on this desk, I've had this container and 54 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 1: I've had a bunch of CDs in that that I 55 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: didn't know what was on. And I just like I 56 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: was like, okay, these have been here, I need to 57 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: figure out what is on them. So I went through 58 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: them the other day and I found old videos, like 59 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: old photos, old beats that I have made, and things 60 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 1: like that. Um, but no poetry, no, no poetry was 61 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: on there. At least I want to put like Your 62 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: Beats as a bonus track on one of these episodes 63 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: at the end, we can please come on, come on. 64 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: They were so poorly made on the internet, like you 65 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: don't know, yeah, you don't want them? Better than I 66 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: could have done from that? Was it like middy? Yes, 67 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: very inspired by who Eaves was at the time. I 68 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: love it. I can't say anybody but want to hear them. 69 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:33,919 Speaker 1: I love him met Younges, I agree. I agree. All right, Well, 70 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: well we'll table that and see if we can convince ease. Good. Look, well, 71 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 1: in the meantime, we are very excited to talk about 72 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 1: who you brought for us today. Can you tell us 73 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 1: who we're going to be talking about? We are talking 74 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: about sorogyny and I do today. So she was the 75 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: first India m woman to be appointed President of the 76 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 1: Indian National Congress. And she was also the first woman 77 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 1: to be a governor in India. She was governor of 78 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 1: the United Provinces. So, as we were talking about just now, 79 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 1: she was a poet as well. In addition to those 80 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: political first that she had so very multi talented, very 81 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:24,280 Speaker 1: invested in all of the things that we will get 82 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 1: to talk about today. But you know, as as is 83 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 1: the case with all these first I just want to 84 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: remind people that like first are always in context, because 85 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: I know that people can jump into this series like 86 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 1: at any point in time, and that just because somebody 87 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: is so, I just want to go back to like 88 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: the basics of the reason why we do this in 89 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 1: the first place, which is so I just want to 90 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: preface this by saying that, like a first doesn't mean 91 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: that that person is the be all, end all of 92 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: whatever we're talking about in their field. It doesn't mean 93 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,839 Speaker 1: they're the best, um. It doesn't mean that they were 94 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:00,080 Speaker 1: the only people to do what they have done, and 95 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: and that they didn't have any people who led them 96 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,719 Speaker 1: to doing um what they did and what led to 97 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:08,919 Speaker 1: their accomplishments. So I just want to say that. I 98 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,919 Speaker 1: think I'm also thinking about that because we are currently 99 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 1: in Black History Month, the month of February, and a 100 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 1: lot of first talk can happen in Black History Month, 101 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: So just want a preface with that. Also want to 102 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: say that February is the birth month of Srogeny, and 103 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: I do so it is appropriate for the time. Yes, 104 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 1: always a good reminder, and I think you put it 105 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: so much more eloquently than I will. But in the 106 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: past episode you also said, like there's the kind of 107 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 1: untraceable impact that people have had and when they do 108 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: something and someone else sees it and all the that 109 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: support that leads to somebody's first Um. And also yeah, 110 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: just what gets recorded and what stories get told, and 111 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: that's one of those things we've talked about before. Also 112 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: is like it's both exciting and frustrating. But we are 113 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: finding new people in history still, um, who have done things. 114 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: So always a good note. But yeah, should we jump 115 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: into the history here, Yeah, let's do it. So, speaking 116 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 1: of February being her birth month, UM, she was born 117 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: Sorogyny Tattoo Padhaya on February thirt eighteen seventy nine and 118 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: had Darabad, India. So her father was a goren Off 119 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: Tattoo Padhaya and her mother was Verada Sundry. And her 120 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: father founded the knee Zoms College in Hyderabad and was 121 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: its first principle. And her mother was a poet and 122 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: a singer. So you can see very clearly where a 123 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: lot of her influence came from, because there was already 124 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: involvement in the social and political spheres and also the arts. 125 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: So her parents were Bengali and Brahmin. She was one 126 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 1: of eight siblings. She had three sisters and four brothers 127 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: are the although one of her brothers died when he 128 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: was a child. All of them were multi lingual, so 129 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: Sarogyne spoke, understood and could write multiple languages, including or 130 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: do Telugu in English. So she was educated at Hyderabad 131 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: in Madras and she did really well in school. She 132 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: even passed her matriculation exam from Madras when she was 133 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: just twelve years old. So around the time, a lot 134 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: of other women and Indian people in general did not 135 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: have access to the resources and privileges that Sarogyny did 136 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: growing up. Her education and her ability to travel were 137 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:41,199 Speaker 1: a result of her family's status, so we have to 138 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: keep that in mind as we think about her story 139 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: and what she had access to be able to do 140 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: as she was ascending um. So she started writing poetry 141 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: early on. She wrote on her fourteenth birthday quote, my 142 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: joys are not what joys to childhood seem, not on 143 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: unthinking sports. My soul was fit but nursed. It was 144 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 1: on many a brighter theme and high ideas formed my 145 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: radiant dream. So she had already started writing. There's also 146 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: like these images of her when she was younger, already 147 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: getting into some of her oratory skills. So we'll talk 148 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: about later on how she was a gray order. But 149 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: she's talking to her family and things like that, kind 150 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:28,079 Speaker 1: of on this this pedestal to everyone else and already 151 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: developing those skills. So she met Govin Dara Julu Naidu 152 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: who had just graduated from medical college and he became 153 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 1: a physician. The two of them wanted to marry each other, 154 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: but in her story there is a du around the 155 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: fact that this was an intercast marriage and what that 156 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: meant at the time. Her parents did disapprove of them 157 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:04,319 Speaker 1: marrying at the time, but as it goes on, they 158 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: had a long marriage and the families ended up being 159 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: invested in that marriage. The Nazams of Hyderabad were the 160 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:16,319 Speaker 1: rulers of Hyderabad from around seventeen thirteen to nineteen fifty. 161 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:19,079 Speaker 1: Just for that background, but she got a scholarship. She 162 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: was offered a scholarship by them, and then she went 163 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:25,839 Speaker 1: on to study at King's College in London, then Girton College, Cambridge, 164 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:29,560 Speaker 1: and she wrote some of her first nature poems while 165 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:34,319 Speaker 1: she was traveling in rural England at Man's Um. And 166 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: at this time when she was traveling in England, of 167 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 1: course she was in contact with other people and met 168 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: other people who were already working in the English literary 169 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: fields at Man's being one of those people. He was 170 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: an English poet, and he apparently told her that she 171 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: needed to stop writing about things like English robbins and 172 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 1: sky larks and be a more Indian poet since she 173 00:10:56,360 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 1: was writing about the English countryside. And Arthur Simmons also 174 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: gave a description of her. He said quote she was 175 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,199 Speaker 1: dressed always and clinging dresses of Eastern silk. And as 176 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 1: she was so small and her long black hair hung 177 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 1: down straight down her back, you might have taken her 178 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: for a child. She spoke a little and in a 179 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: low voice, like gentle music, and she seemed wherever she 180 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: was to be alone. So she ended up going back 181 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 1: to India in September of eighteen and she had her 182 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 1: first child with govern Dar Julie and i do Um 183 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 1: who she who suld married her husband in nineteen o one, 184 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:39,319 Speaker 1: and over the next four years they had three more children. 185 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 1: So she already she began her lectures early on. She 186 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: began delivering them at colleges in India, and she quickly 187 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 1: became known as a public speaker. People really enjoyed the 188 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: speeches that she gave and the poetic influences that showed 189 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: up within her speeches. In them, she talked about cast 190 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 1: she talked about religion, and she talked about India's future, 191 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 1: and she became more invested in women's rights and women's 192 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:16,679 Speaker 1: education and India's independence. She also spoke about unity between 193 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,959 Speaker 1: Hindu and Muslim people, which was an issue that other 194 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: people were speaking about at the time as well. So 195 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: she spoke at many, many meetings and conferences over the year, 196 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: including the Indian National Congress. It would just be impossible 197 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 1: to list right now and very boring to list all 198 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 1: of the conferences that she spoke at because it was 199 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:42,319 Speaker 1: so many um, but the Indian National Congress is a 200 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: political party in India that played a really big role 201 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 1: in the countries independence movement. So she was stirred into 202 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 1: action by the things that she was seeing happen around her, 203 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: by the changes that were happening by the British Raj 204 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:58,199 Speaker 1: the British rule in India at the time, and became 205 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: increasingly invested and involved in being a person who was 206 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: physically taking action and speaking out about the things that 207 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 1: she felt needed to be changed. So things like the 208 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:13,199 Speaker 1: partition of Bengal in nineteen oh five, stirred action in 209 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: her and uh the anti partition activism that was happening 210 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: at the time in India. So one of the people 211 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 1: who had a big influence on her was Gopaul Krishna 212 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: go Clay, who was a social reformer in India during 213 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:32,199 Speaker 1: the independence movement and who was a political mentor to 214 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 1: Mohandas Gandhi had a big influence on her and he 215 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 1: ended up dying in nineteen fifteen, but before he passed 216 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: away they had long friendship and situation of mentorship together. 217 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: He encouraged her work in the social and the political 218 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 1: realm and played a big role for her in that regard. 219 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: But she was still into poetry. She was still writing 220 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 1: poetry and her first major collection of poems, which was 221 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: called The Golden Threshold, which anyone can read online, that 222 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: was published by William Hyneman from London in nineteen o five. 223 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: It was popular, It got good pressed and over the 224 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 1: years and many editions were published. In it. You can 225 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 1: read things like nature poems, poems about her life, once 226 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: on life and people in India, and even a poem 227 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: on the theme from Indian mythology. Things like Islamic culture 228 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: and Persian poetry influenced her work, but she did write 229 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: her poems in English when she was actually writing. Of course, 230 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: like we talked about earlier, she knew multiple languages, but 231 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 1: she chose to write her poems in English, and she 232 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: was also published in England. This was at a time 233 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: when there weren't many women in India who were able 234 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: to study in England, like I said, and also didn't 235 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: write in English. But in the biography about Sarogyny that 236 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 1: she wrote not her name, pat Mini Sangupta noted that 237 00:14:56,920 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: it was Sarrogyny's fortune that she her poetry in the 238 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 1: beginning of the twentieth century. The author said that if 239 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 1: she would have written in the post war period, she 240 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: wouldn't have had as much of an impact. In that quote, 241 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: sophisticated and cynical atmosphere with Sir Rogyne's poetry been taken 242 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: in many ways as very sentimental, as really lyrical, and 243 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: wouldn't quite fit into that atmosphere. So it really took 244 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: off at the time when Sir Rogyne was writing it. 245 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 1: It was really well received by by many people. But 246 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: as the author of har biography explains, like that could 247 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: have been a very fortunate thing, because if she would 248 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: have written in a different time than it might not 249 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: have had that kind of reception. But anyway, so when 250 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 1: between the years of nineteen eleven and nineteen fifteen, when 251 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: her father died, she spent a lot of time in 252 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: the city that was then called Calcutta, which is where 253 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: her father lived, and between so between that city and 254 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: between Hydrobode. In nineteen twelve, William Hyneman, that same publisher, 255 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 1: published her second collection of poems, which is called The 256 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 1: Bird of Time. So in a letter she wrote to 257 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 1: him about the book, she said, quote good or bad, 258 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 1: there is an immense amount of my own life, pain 259 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: and joy in it. And one does not willingly give 260 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 1: these heartbeats to the world without wanting to be sure 261 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: that they will find a response of sympathy. Um, so 262 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: here's a very important part in her life. In nineteen fourteen, 263 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: that's when she met Mahas Gandhi, what she says, was 264 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 1: in London on the eve of the Great European War 265 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: of nineteen fourteen. She agreed to help him in the 266 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: war effort. And this is a huge topic that doesn't 267 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 1: have the space that it deserves here to talk about 268 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: all of the politics around um Gandhi and around their 269 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: investment in the war. Kind of the idea around the 270 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 1: thought at they didn't want to press their demands while 271 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 1: the war was at hand, because they kind of didn't 272 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:08,719 Speaker 1: want to embarrass Britain while they were going through their 273 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: own struggles. But that's another topic either way, that is 274 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:16,959 Speaker 1: related to Sir Rodyne's story because this is around the 275 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:20,360 Speaker 1: time that she met Gandhi. They had a lifelong relationship. 276 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 1: So the Home rule movement did gain traction, and so 277 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: this idea of not pressing their demands did kind of 278 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: go out of the window. But Sarodyne herself became involved 279 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 1: in the national movement and throughout her life she remained 280 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: faithful to Gandhi's leadership and Satya Graja, and she remained 281 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: invested in that nonviolent resistance to British rule. It was 282 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: something that she spoke out about and that she practiced 283 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: and she was a leader in as well herself. So 284 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: that same year she was also elected a Fellow of 285 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: the Royal Society of Literature, which was the first time 286 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: an Indian woman did so. And the next year she 287 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: gave a speech supporting Home rule at the Indian National Congress. 288 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: She ended with a poem called Awake, and here are 289 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 1: some of the lines in that poem. Awaken and severed 290 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:14,439 Speaker 1: the woes that enthrall us, and hallow our hands for 291 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 1: the triumphs that call us. So it's kind of a 292 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:20,919 Speaker 1: call to action for people who lived in India. She 293 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 1: traveled on a lot of lecture tours and throughout her 294 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 1: work she met and became friends with a lot of 295 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:31,160 Speaker 1: artists and politicians along the way. Um and she continued 296 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:34,679 Speaker 1: to write poetry. So she wrote The Broken Wing and 297 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:38,120 Speaker 1: that book was published in nineteen seventeen, and that ended 298 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:41,360 Speaker 1: up being the last new volume of Sir Rogyne's poetry 299 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:43,879 Speaker 1: that was published while she was alive. There was a 300 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 1: collected edition of her poetry, The Scepter Flute, that was 301 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: published later in the forties, but after this point of 302 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 1: The Broken Wing being published, Sarogyney didn't pursue publishing much 303 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:02,439 Speaker 1: more poetry. She focused on politics. In the book The 304 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: Perishable Empire, the author says, quote it maybe argue that 305 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:11,919 Speaker 1: the poet sarogyny and Naidu's implicitly orthodox stand about a 306 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 1: woman's passive and sacrificial role may have smoothed the way 307 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 1: to her acceptance as a political leader. The temper of 308 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:23,160 Speaker 1: an Indian nationalism in the early years of the twentieth 309 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:29,159 Speaker 1: century was aggressively traditional. So in looking back at I 310 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: just wanted to share that because in looking back at 311 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:35,439 Speaker 1: Sarogyney's all the things that she did, the poetry that 312 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: she was writing, and also the political work that she 313 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 1: was doing, in the social work that she was doing, 314 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: a lot of biographers and people who are looking at 315 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: her history noticed this kind of dichotomy between how she 316 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: was writing and the things that she was writing about 317 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 1: UM and the really bold stances that she was taking 318 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 1: in her speeches and in her public life being in 319 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:00,439 Speaker 1: a way incongruous. So I think it's in interesting to 320 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 1: think about both of those things at the same time, 321 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:05,680 Speaker 1: where there is this softness and sweetness in her poetry 322 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:12,640 Speaker 1: and this kind of nostalgia and this broad overview and positivity. UM. 323 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 1: Not saying that that those were the only things she 324 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 1: wrote about, but in looking at her work as a whole, 325 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: in the way that she wrote versus her speeches that 326 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 1: were very empowered and empowering, that were very sharp, UM, 327 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: that were you know, they still had, of course elements 328 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:30,920 Speaker 1: of her lyricism in it in them, and I don't 329 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,160 Speaker 1: want to reduce them to being one sort of way, 330 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 1: but there was that incongruity in a way from that manner, 331 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:41,399 Speaker 1: but also in the other regard. It's like well, in 332 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: a way, the softness of this poetry might have made 333 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: her a little bit more palatable to her audience, So 334 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:53,639 Speaker 1: I think that's interesting to think about. Um. She began 335 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,919 Speaker 1: working against other things like the indentured labor of women 336 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: in South Africa and the treatment of Indians and Eastern 337 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: Africa in South Africa. Her actions in support of self 338 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 1: government grew as Indian issues took a back seat to 339 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:12,199 Speaker 1: others for the British to like other issues that the 340 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: British were paying attention to, these Indian issues were taken 341 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 1: a back seat to that intention was growing in India, 342 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 1: so she was becoming more involved in struggles like that 343 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:26,959 Speaker 1: for women's suffrage and the non cooperation movement, which was 344 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: a campaign that was led by Gandhi to get Indian 345 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 1: people to stop cooperating with the British government but not 346 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 1: partaking in it, boycotting other things like that. She was 347 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 1: also part of the formation of the Women's Indian Association, 348 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 1: which was an organization for women's rights. In nineteen this 349 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 1: is when another of her first comes into play. It's 350 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 1: when she became the first Indian woman to be president 351 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: of the Indian National Congress. So the first woman president 352 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 1: was Annie Bessant, who was an English activist, but Saragenie 353 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 1: and I Do was the first Indian woman to be president. 354 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: She continued on with her activism and her speeches around 355 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 1: the world and in the early nineteen thirties she was 356 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 1: arrested and imprisoned a couple of times for her participation 357 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 1: in civil disobedience, including her work in the Salt March. 358 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 1: Later on, in ninety two, she was arrested again along 359 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,400 Speaker 1: with Gandhi for her role in the Quit India movement, 360 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 1: which was a movement against British rule, and she was 361 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:49,880 Speaker 1: in prison for just under two years. Um India did 362 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 1: gain its independence while she was alive, so she was 363 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: able to see that it gained its independence in August 364 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: of nineteen forty seven, and that was the year right 365 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 1: after that point when Sir Rodnie Naidu became the first 366 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: governor of the State of the United Provinces, which is 367 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: Uttar Pradesh today, making her the first woman to become 368 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 1: a governor of a state there, and she was sworn 369 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 1: in on August fift She got this title of the 370 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 1: Nightingale of India from her poetry, and yes, so she 371 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: she did get a lot of recognition during her time. 372 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,880 Speaker 1: She died on March second, nineteen forty nine in India, 373 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: and The Feathers of the Dawn, a collection of her poetry, 374 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 1: was published posthumously. So there's been a lot of commentary 375 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:46,160 Speaker 1: about her work after and then in the way that 376 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 1: people felt about it um and how her relatively conservative 377 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 1: poetry was in opposition to her statements when she was 378 00:23:56,359 --> 00:24:00,679 Speaker 1: giving speeches. But at in the biography with her earlier, 379 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: the author sa Gupta says in the biography quote Sarogyne's 380 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:09,160 Speaker 1: poetic effusions can scarcely be said to reflect her real 381 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 1: views on life. So there was of course all the 382 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 1: talk of her being a spokesperson for India or representation 383 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 1: of India for the Western world, and her poetry was 384 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 1: also criticized for being too romantic and sentimental and kind 385 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: of viewing India's pass through rose colored glasses. But as 386 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 1: a whole Sarogyney's work in the political sphere and the 387 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 1: poetry that she wrote. I think it's really interesting how 388 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,400 Speaker 1: those things had to be taken together, and looking at 389 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,880 Speaker 1: the work that she did, um as if they she 390 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 1: wasn't able to express the fullness of her humanity within 391 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: the two of them. It's like kind of like pitting 392 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 1: different people against each other who are in the same field. 393 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,199 Speaker 1: But it's kind of pittings Rodney and I do against 394 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 1: herself in a way. UM, It's like it's okay, it's okay, 395 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,199 Speaker 1: you know, um, if you're one way in your art 396 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 1: and you're another way in your life. UM, I feel 397 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: like that's a really good thing. UM that I'm reminded 398 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: of when I'm looking at her legacy that when we're 399 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 1: granting art, it doesn't always necessarily mean that, um, we're 400 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 1: speaking our own views the whole time anyway. But it 401 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 1: also doesn't mean that we can't represent different parts of 402 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,439 Speaker 1: our character in different spaces that we move within in 403 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: our lives. But she was recognized during her lifetime and 404 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 1: after her lifetime. Her home and Hyderabad, which was known 405 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,400 Speaker 1: as the Golden Threshold, was at one point turned into 406 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 1: a hotel it's now part of the University of Hyderabad 407 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 1: and her birthday February did it become a National Women's 408 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 1: Day in India. So that is the story of Strogyny 409 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: and I do it is long, it is really interesting. 410 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:08,159 Speaker 1: I think if anybody has time to read that nineteen 411 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:13,440 Speaker 1: sixties biography of her that I mentioned, it's super well 412 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 1: worth it. You can learn a lot more about her 413 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:19,159 Speaker 1: life and about and you can still read the speeches 414 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 1: um that she gave as well, and there is a 415 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 1: little bit of footage on her. There's even a very 416 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 1: short documentary of her that can be accessed online. So 417 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: and she wrote letters as well, so a lot of 418 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: these things we can read about sorogyny, see a little 419 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 1: bit of her, and learn more about how we feel 420 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: about the legacy that she left in the work that 421 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 1: she did. Because I know we talked about in the 422 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:50,440 Speaker 1: beginning of the episode how first you know, really need 423 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 1: to be contextualized within other things. But also I think 424 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 1: her story is a good reminder that just because somebody 425 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,920 Speaker 1: is a first doesn't necessarily you mean that that everybody 426 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: knows about them um or knows their entire story if 427 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:10,159 Speaker 1: they do know anything about them. So yes, and so 428 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 1: yes first need a lot of contextual lies NG and 429 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: also there can be a lot more left on the 430 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:23,160 Speaker 1: bone to uplift when it comes to people and their 431 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,919 Speaker 1: stories around their first that we don't know and that 432 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 1: are still worth sharing. Absolutely, um, especially with this where 433 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 1: there is so much documentation and different things that we 434 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 1: could piece together to get all the multifaceted person as 435 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 1: much as we can. UM, is that context Because I 436 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,400 Speaker 1: do think sometimes a lot of people, and I've done 437 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 1: this before too, like you see the first and you're like, 438 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 1: oh wow, they did that, and you don't go beyond 439 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:56,160 Speaker 1: that thing where she was doing, like she was political, 440 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 1: but also had all of these poetry. So if you 441 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 1: like stop it the first, you don't know all of 442 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,639 Speaker 1: these other things that made her her that it's a 443 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,880 Speaker 1: real shame to to miss out on because she's got 444 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 1: these speeches you can read, in this poetry you can read, 445 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 1: and all of that stuff. So yeah, I think that's 446 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 1: a really great point, and I'm very excited to check 447 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 1: out some of the some of the poetry. I like 448 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,360 Speaker 1: that it's themed. I didn't realize that earlier that it's 449 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:27,160 Speaker 1: all kind of Verde related. A lot of major poetry, 450 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 1: which I'm really into honestly to I also like every 451 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,360 Speaker 1: most of these we get a cameo from like a 452 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: historical celebrity, and the Gandhi just bops up. Oh yeah, 453 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: it's a lot like that in her Um in her 454 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 1: story for sure. At Yeah, like from from different spheres 455 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 1: as well, Um, that Gandhi family. So yeah, it's a 456 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 1: lot of that in the Narrows. Yeah, a lot of 457 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 1: people that she was connected with. Even um Aldre's Huxley 458 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 1: of the author A Brave New World, he pops up 459 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 1: in her story. Wow. So if she's literary like that, 460 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 1: I'm sure that that would they would cross paths. But 461 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 1: I did find it interesting that as much as we know, 462 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 1: like we know the name Mahatma Gandhi, and I know 463 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 1: that he was amazing and all the things that he did, 464 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 1: but the fact that she was side by side with 465 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 1: him and in a lot of these movements, and I 466 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 1: had no idea who she was until you brought it, 467 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 1: it makes me kind of said, I'm like, wait, but 468 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 1: she was a huge significant part of this movement. And 469 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 1: not only was she that, but she was also a 470 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 1: scholar with him and had brought up these like amazing Stanzas, 471 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, why didn't I know about her? 472 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 1: If I know something about you know what Gandhi did 473 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,239 Speaker 1: and that he represented peace, but so did she. I 474 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 1: had no clue. Yeah, I think that's the case with 475 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 1: a lot of people, because I mean she even it 476 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 1: was to the point where she took over for Gandhi 477 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 1: and leading when he wasn't there. So she had a 478 00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 1: really important role in it. And it's the speed she's 479 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 1: that she gave her really well received by a lot 480 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 1: of people. But still some of those things get overshadowed 481 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 1: by people like Gandhi and all of the other stuff 482 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 1: that was happening at the same time. So that's why 483 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 1: we you know, that's why we do this. Not everybody 484 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 1: can know everything. What Yes, well, we love doing this. 485 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 1: We love having you Eves Um always at the delight 486 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 1: and we appreciate it so much, so thank you. I 487 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 1: was always happy to be here. Yes, Um. Well, where 488 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 1: can the good listeners find you? Y'all can find me 489 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 1: on Instagram at not Apologizing, on Twitter at Eve's Jeff 490 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 1: Cote that spelled y v E s j E F 491 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 1: F c O A T, or you can just go 492 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 1: to Eve's jeff cot dot com and you can get 493 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 1: to all of the other things from there and also 494 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 1: on many other episodes here on Sminty of Female First. Yes, 495 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 1: I feel like we're coming to another milestone, but I 496 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 1: might be making it up. I think we're getting there. 497 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 1: I think so. I think we might be approaching a 498 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 1: big number. Well, yes, thanks again, Eves to go check 499 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 1: that out. 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