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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast,
Speaker 1: presented by the United States Marine Corps. My name is
Speaker 1: Dan Hansas. I'm joining in a room that is built
Speaker 1: with heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Westling, and Greg Rosenhalt. What
Speaker 1: is up? Boys? Hey? Dan? Do you want to hear
Speaker 1: something gross? Maybe Deerka? How are you right now? Are
Speaker 1: you kidding me? I'm good. How you feeling good? You
Speaker 1: want to hear something gross? You look beautiful? Thank you?
Speaker 1: I look exactly how I feel. Um. Erica a little
Speaker 1: under the weather, but she's here, and I mean, that's
Speaker 1: that's what it's about. I mean, the season begins after Thanksgiving,
Speaker 1: which means no days off, and you grind and you
Speaker 1: play through injuries. Yeah, it's in stark contrast to when
Speaker 1: Erica went to Spain smacked up in the middle of
Speaker 1: the campaign. But that's that's what I'm saying. You're that's growth,
Speaker 1: You're growing? Yeah, or or um or where did I
Speaker 1: go Scotland? Scotland and Ireland for a free agency? I
Speaker 1: mean that was that was well played. But in Erica's defense,
Speaker 1: the season had not started yet because I thought we
Speaker 1: proved that's only if you're trying to win the Super Bowl, right.
Speaker 1: It started in late July, and this is officially week
Speaker 1: one of twenty eight weeks eight to go. Um. As
Speaker 1: we got upstairs, there was a Spanish language podcast running
Speaker 1: along which you know, it's happened, it happens. We just
Speaker 1: had never seen it before. That's never happened. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: trend Zone, which they seemed to be having a great
Speaker 1: amount of fun. It did make me think of, you
Speaker 1: know how with the The Office as an example, which
Speaker 1: started in the UK, of course came to the US,
Speaker 1: and now there's different offices. Uh, programs all over the
Speaker 1: world in different languages. Maybe that will be US one day,
Speaker 1: Maybe we will have spinoffs all across the globe will
Speaker 1: be a global podcast. Mark did note that they had
Speaker 1: their own version of Dan Hansis on this podcast. I
Speaker 1: like that guy. He had a beautiful head of what
Speaker 1: I believe it was a wig, but of hair. And
Speaker 1: you guys left. I'm not that far away from just
Speaker 1: wearing sunglasses at all times. No, he had you guys
Speaker 1: all left the studio for a bit. But I noticed
Speaker 1: the guys sitting right in my seat. Uh, we met
Speaker 1: the other two, but I didn't meet him, so I
Speaker 1: don't know his name. Uh had made a very fiery
Speaker 1: point that I felt spiritually connected with. We're just playing
Speaker 1: the same role. Is he is he troubled as well?
Speaker 1: I don't know. He seemed a little bit upset though,
Speaker 1: you know I that you hear that on on studio shows.
Speaker 1: You want to put the fiery guys on the edges
Speaker 1: to bring the heat. That's why they got Irvan on
Speaker 1: the ends. They put much you know, mooch with the sweaters.
Speaker 1: He's in the middle, you know, calm presence, and then
Speaker 1: Irvan just fire on the edges and the guys sitting
Speaker 1: actually in your seat Dan at the end of the show,
Speaker 1: and Eric was just it was raising a Jets jersey
Speaker 1: and they were all singing J E T S. I mean,
Speaker 1: I that's that. I could decide that what else they
Speaker 1: were saying, but it was was a sea of tranquility.
Speaker 1: And I reached out and that's just like you as
Speaker 1: and I reached out to Henry Hodson, vice president of
Speaker 1: International on our um instant messenger client. I just want
Speaker 1: to make sure I had the show correct him a
Speaker 1: little plug trend zone. He responds, correct, be nice to them, please,
Speaker 1: not another international hating bit? Right, Well, yeah, and have
Speaker 1: you done that? I wouldn't consider hating more like baiting. Yeah, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: international baiting. I think I know who. That's what Dan
Speaker 1: specializes in. Talking about Mobo Henry, he's still upset about
Speaker 1: keeping up a bow ringer bit, which you know, speaking
Speaker 1: of which we have to get to that. See what
Speaker 1: he's up to as he enters his age thirty seven season. Um, alright,
Speaker 1: he's gonna kill me, um, big show he just wrote,
Speaker 1: which is a nice little way to wrap up that
Speaker 1: instant messenger conversation with a little I love Henry, he
Speaker 1: loves me. All right, Well, let us um get to
Speaker 1: today's show. A lot to get to um news, including
Speaker 1: oh yeah, another Patriots scandal. Oh, spy gate two spy
Speaker 1: harder this time it sticks, legacies destroyed, It's real, it's
Speaker 1: happening this time Greg excited. Greg has been quiet about this.
Speaker 1: We'll get into it. Also, I'm just enjoying this. Will
Speaker 1: that'll all we have to take out of the show.
Speaker 1: Since they at the League Shadowy Figures is like, no
Speaker 1: matter what, you gotta play this straight down the line.
Speaker 1: Bye bye. But bring it back a fun segment. What
Speaker 1: you people don't realize, Uh, talking about an NFL team, coach,
Speaker 1: player subplot in the league right now, and you know,
Speaker 1: enlightening each other saying, hey, dummy, this is what's actually
Speaker 1: going on in the league right now. Uh, the Turkey one,
Speaker 1: because we it's like, what takes do we have that
Speaker 1: we haven't made on this podcast? So then the listeners
Speaker 1: would know that mall to challenge to challenge and that
Speaker 1: they would have to rap since Sunday. That's why we're professionals. Greg,
Speaker 1: Thursday Night Football Preview. I'm a little worried about this one.
Speaker 1: The Jets traveling to Baltimore to face the Ravens. What
Speaker 1: story about? No expectations at least the only the only
Speaker 1: thing I got going going for me is that Lamar
Speaker 1: Jackson is a little banged up and maybe won't be
Speaker 1: as dynamic as usual. But before we get to that,
Speaker 1: there was one last game in Week fourteen, and it
Speaker 1: was another New York team and uh they went to
Speaker 1: Philadelphia looking to put a stake through the heart of
Speaker 1: the Eiggles. Whence first w Philly, all right, Monday Night Football,
Speaker 1: that was the ESPN call by Joe Testa tour, Carson
Speaker 1: Wentz zach Ertz connect on a game tying touchdown pass
Speaker 1: in the final minutes of regulation and then after winning
Speaker 1: the coin toss, go right down the field on the
Speaker 1: GMN and score again touchdown, ending the game and ending
Speaker 1: a real scare for the Eagles who survived over Eli
Speaker 1: Manning in the New York Giants and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: at halftime, Greg Rosenthal, Eli and Darius Slayton, we're picking
Speaker 1: on Ronald Darby. Hey, Ronald, Darry make a play, be
Speaker 1: competitive in a big spot. Uh too deep touchdown strikes
Speaker 1: and at seventeen three and the Eagles getting booed off
Speaker 1: the field, and it looks like the impossible is happening,
Speaker 1: that this free falling Giants team is going to go
Speaker 1: into Philly in primetime and win. But to Eagles credit,
Speaker 1: they figure out a way to get on track and
Speaker 1: as a result there in first place in the NFC
Speaker 1: East with three to play. I mean, they could not
Speaker 1: have been less impressive looking and had you know more
Speaker 1: bad luck happened to them during the game, losing Lane Johnson.
Speaker 1: They are not the same team without Lane Johnson. Losing
Speaker 1: Alshon Jeffrey who Mike Garafolo now reports is out for
Speaker 1: the season. Playing with one real wide receiver but also
Speaker 1: Josh Perkins, who's basically a wide receiver. Throughout the game,
Speaker 1: it really felt like there was no way that they
Speaker 1: could catch up and score seventeen points in this game.
Speaker 1: But when the Giants offense goes three and out six
Speaker 1: straight times, has I think in? I know, I know
Speaker 1: they did score in three possessions, but they went four
Speaker 1: plays or less on every other possession. Uh it kept
Speaker 1: giving the Eagles a chance to make a couple of plays,
Speaker 1: And uh, I think I'll remember this as the game
Speaker 1: we all learned a little bit about Boston Scott. I
Speaker 1: like that an ugly bad football game that had a
Speaker 1: little something at the end. It was so ridiculous by
Speaker 1: the end, I sort of enjoyed it. Did Boston Scott's
Speaker 1: play lead you to believe as it did me? Did
Speaker 1: the Eagles have trouble evaluating their own talent that this
Speaker 1: guy sat on the bench all year just like uh,
Speaker 1: Greg Wards had on the bench behind Mac Hollins all year? No,
Speaker 1: because I mean Miles Sanders hasn't been a problem. They're
Speaker 1: playing last weeks. Who can't run it's fair what a
Speaker 1: star contrast to where we were heading into Week one,
Speaker 1: where the Eagles were being you know, and for appropriate
Speaker 1: reasons in the past, trumpeted as the most forward thinking,
Speaker 1: best self scouting, highest level front office activity in the
Speaker 1: entire INFF has been a bad season. I mean, they're
Speaker 1: super banged, they're banged up, but their team is also
Speaker 1: grossly underperformed. Darby was competing on that long touchdown. I
Speaker 1: think you're talking about Roddy McLeod, the safety who I
Speaker 1: think was probably had fault on that play, like just
Speaker 1: gave up. And they're saying just everything about the team
Speaker 1: has been underperforming. Like name the player on the Eagles
Speaker 1: who has played better this season than expectations, like right,
Speaker 1: and they're almost one representative of what he's able to do.
Speaker 1: That said, you did you never I know, I we
Speaker 1: say this a lot. You never know if this win
Speaker 1: is gonna matter. It was. It was a game where
Speaker 1: I feel like worse about them after watching them win,
Speaker 1: and yet they're they're six and seven and they have
Speaker 1: the Redskins still left on the schedule. I get that,
Speaker 1: but I also I really did come out of the
Speaker 1: game gaining a new respect or being reminded of why
Speaker 1: I like Carson Wentz while I've always liked him, because
Speaker 1: they really didn't have anything around him. You had Earth's
Speaker 1: you know, the offensive line was beat up by the
Speaker 1: time uh Arthego Whiteside limps off the field and overtime.
Speaker 1: By the way, his name is now j jaw j
Speaker 1: jaw Arthega like j j Arthega Whiteside j Is it
Speaker 1: truly only a six catches this year? He's been on
Speaker 1: the field for like a thousand snaps? Talked about reg
Speaker 1: Ward Jr. Was the only remaining wide receiver. Josh McCown.
Speaker 1: Uh the backup quarterback was about to go in a
Speaker 1: wide receiver. That's how bad it was and year old,
Speaker 1: So what's his credit? He found a way to throw,
Speaker 1: you know, getting the end zone three times. And I
Speaker 1: just reminded me of why I like the guy, why
Speaker 1: he'll probably be better, uh down the road, maybe not
Speaker 1: this year, but down the road. And after the game,
Speaker 1: Doug Peterson was also feeling very bullish about his quarterback.
Speaker 1: This was actually his comments on Monday. I think this
Speaker 1: would have to be his number one game quite honestly, Um,
Speaker 1: and he would you know, you could ask him later
Speaker 1: to later this week. But I just think from from
Speaker 1: the standpoint of putting the team on us back and
Speaker 1: and and leading this team down the field, you know,
Speaker 1: down two scores and to tie the game, and of
Speaker 1: course to win in overtime. Uh. Some of the plays
Speaker 1: that he did make, whether it was you know, U
Speaker 1: extending it with with his legs or uh, you know,
Speaker 1: keeping up play alive and and and finding receivers down
Speaker 1: the field just and then his toughness to stand in
Speaker 1: the pocket and take some shots. Um. I would say
Speaker 1: this would be his number one game, you know, in
Speaker 1: the four years that has really kind of you know,
Speaker 1: it's exciting for him, and I think it gives him
Speaker 1: confidence moving forward. I think that's gotta there's gotta be
Speaker 1: Eagles fans out there remembering his m v P level
Speaker 1: play from a few years ago and say best game now.
Speaker 1: I do think he you can't say he's not a
Speaker 1: tough player. I mean they emerged from a first quarter
Speaker 1: where this just felt like like a terrible high school
Speaker 1: game to me, and I couldn't believe it was actually
Speaker 1: being televised for people to observe. But Carson Wentz, you know,
Speaker 1: part of it is he's never had this full season.
Speaker 1: He's he's dealt with so much that you forget he's young.
Speaker 1: Still in the environment around a young quarterback matters. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he definitely had more productive and more visually appealing games
Speaker 1: during that two thousand seventeen season that ended with the
Speaker 1: knee injury unfortunately in December. But that was a Super
Speaker 1: Bowl champion. Uh, it was a loaded roster and he
Speaker 1: made the most of it. I think that's what Peterson
Speaker 1: was getting at, like he has nobody around him and
Speaker 1: he's still getting it on the his earth. So that's
Speaker 1: about it. I've always been a believer, but I've adjusted
Speaker 1: my expectations this year that he might be like Cam Newton,
Speaker 1: a physical marvel whose mechanical inconsistencies just don't make him
Speaker 1: an above average passer. He reminds me a Big Ben though,
Speaker 1: who I think had a hard time putting it all
Speaker 1: together in terms of playing the quarterback position in the
Speaker 1: first four or five years of his career from the
Speaker 1: neck up, which is very you know, common, and I
Speaker 1: think a lot of the complaints you see with Wentz
Speaker 1: and and you heard with Big Big Ben back then,
Speaker 1: was just not seeing the field, not seeing open receivers
Speaker 1: and that that your complaint is he's not an accurate passer.
Speaker 1: That's a that's a problem to um, which I don't
Speaker 1: think it was a problem for for Roethlisberger. He's definitely
Speaker 1: just misses a decent amount of throat. But this was
Speaker 1: an amazing performance. And I think look Peterson saying that
Speaker 1: because that was they don't care that there six and
Speaker 1: seven and they're ugly. There's that was going to be
Speaker 1: the most embarrassing loss that they've had in an embarrassing season,
Speaker 1: and the certainly in the Doug Peterson era, and suddenly
Speaker 1: piled him out. You're hoping that that it rallies you
Speaker 1: to something, because it was. It was stirring in the end.
Speaker 1: It was a stirring win, as ugly as it was.
Speaker 1: If you're an Egos fan or you're one of those
Speaker 1: players that was stirring, I have it one guarantee, sorry,
Speaker 1: and I'll put sandwiches on this. Whoever wins this division
Speaker 1: is winning a playoff game. That's keep hearing, keep hearing that.
Speaker 1: I'm this because it feels like that's what's going to happen.
Speaker 1: It's also happened before. It has the last time since
Speaker 1: We've even been on the show multiple times. But it's
Speaker 1: more likely it doesn't happen. It's more likely it doesn't
Speaker 1: because the the high water NFC competition is very very
Speaker 1: much moment. It very well could be the Seahawks. I
Speaker 1: mean yeah, um. On the other side, quickly, the Giants.
Speaker 1: I enjoyed the Eli fund in the first half. It
Speaker 1: kind of worked out perfectly for the Giants in the
Speaker 1: sense that Eli had his moment there, already had the
Speaker 1: two touchdown passes, you had all the shots up on
Speaker 1: ESPN of the Peyton Manning box, which there were none
Speaker 1: in the second half, by the way. Uh. And then
Speaker 1: they go on the tank and lose the game. They
Speaker 1: stay locked in at that number two overall pick, so
Speaker 1: Eli gets a moment, the Giants keep their draft positioning,
Speaker 1: and uh, in a way they got I mean, he
Speaker 1: got a moment where he looked as depressed and heartbroken
Speaker 1: after the game as any time I've ever seen him.
Speaker 1: Not a guy that wears his emotions on his sleeve.
Speaker 1: They did show Manning in the in the family right
Speaker 1: at the end when you know when they're when they're
Speaker 1: setting up the broadcast, this is Eli's chance to go
Speaker 1: win the game to write the extra page in the
Speaker 1: book of Eli. And they're so nervous. And Eli in
Speaker 1: his postgame press or he just seemed crushed. I mean,
Speaker 1: we have a friend Jason Hartilius, who you know, used
Speaker 1: to work with that this game. I mean, Giants fans,
Speaker 1: this game made them absolutely miserable. They wanted to win.
Speaker 1: That was the best case scenario. I know it's nice
Speaker 1: to get Chase Young, but they have Pat Shermer to think,
Speaker 1: I mean, what an uninspired coach. How can they not
Speaker 1: be more prepared for How can coaches in general. Shermer's
Speaker 1: not the only one be more prepared for time out situations.
Speaker 1: It's just they they All they do is talk about
Speaker 1: how hard they work all year. We work all year,
Speaker 1: all day, all long. How about in the off season
Speaker 1: you run through these drills where you're prepared for different
Speaker 1: time out situations, because any kid playing Madden knows what
Speaker 1: to do. There's forty five seconds left or forty seconds left,
Speaker 1: the Eagles have fourth down, and they're like they Doug
Speaker 1: Peterson is smart enough to realize, if they're gonna let
Speaker 1: us not take a time out here, we'll throw Hail Mary.
Speaker 1: At the end of this and Pat Shermer's just stuck
Speaker 1: and frozen and doesn't realize that the clock's gotta run
Speaker 1: another twenty five seconds till till he takes the time
Speaker 1: out and they have no chance to tie the game.
Speaker 1: It's like, this is pretty basic stuff and and like
Speaker 1: head coaches being paid tens of millions of dollars don't
Speaker 1: know what to do. Definitely not all created equal when
Speaker 1: it comes to the game planning. But it's like it's
Speaker 1: something about in barrels, like a test, where there's a
Speaker 1: right and a wrong answer, there's no interpretation, like it's
Speaker 1: very it's some people's minds just don't work that way.
Speaker 1: I'm always amazed that you're all over end of game
Speaker 1: situations where I am flummixed every time. And I'm much
Speaker 1: like West, like I would say this the assumption that
Speaker 1: every football they could hold on clearly, it's like fans
Speaker 1: could fans. I wouldn't necessary, but it would be a
Speaker 1: very easy thing to just practice and be ready for.
Speaker 1: You could do it in one one day. You could,
Speaker 1: like if all the coaches practice that time out situation,
Speaker 1: like where they know what to do in different scenarios,
Speaker 1: they're done in eight hours for the rest of their life.
Speaker 1: I think. I mean, I'm about as analytical when it
Speaker 1: comes to that stuff as a small child, So I
Speaker 1: don't I simply don't agree with that that everyone game
Speaker 1: Andy Reid's going to Canton, and he needs a guy
Speaker 1: to help him out, right, right, or just have a
Speaker 1: guy help him? Yeah, exactly. And you'll be happy to
Speaker 1: know that was probably the first time I've ever rooted
Speaker 1: for Eli Manning in a game. He um. I saw
Speaker 1: that quote before the game where he said his wife
Speaker 1: finally came to the game this year because I haven't
Speaker 1: played in three months, and you don't know if I'm
Speaker 1: ever gonna play again. Yeah, And I think that's probably
Speaker 1: part of the reason why he was a little down
Speaker 1: after the game. And you know, Twitter is what Twitter is.
Speaker 1: The pitchforks are out, the torches were out, and they
Speaker 1: everybody wanted Eli to go one for forty seven and
Speaker 1: throw seventeen interceptions because that's fun. That's a pursuit of
Speaker 1: people on the internet with the NFL, and they didn't
Speaker 1: get quiet what they want, but they got a little
Speaker 1: bit what they wanted in the second half when he
Speaker 1: threw for about thirty yards at se Kwan Barkley can
Speaker 1: make a play? Can you help? Can you help out
Speaker 1: the old man? It's not right because that's what they desperately,
Speaker 1: desperately needed in that second half, and it's not you know,
Speaker 1: it's a running back game after game after game, but
Speaker 1: in that game, specifically, when Eli gave you that good
Speaker 1: first half, make a play, great bust one and they
Speaker 1: haven't haven't gotten that all year from him really, since
Speaker 1: that ankle injury. I know some people are talking about
Speaker 1: giving Eli a chance to compete for another team next year.
Speaker 1: He can't at the camp, he can't move his arms,
Speaker 1: not good enough. No, he's done. The weird thing was
Speaker 1: the broadcast kept saying like this might be the last
Speaker 1: time we've seen him. But by all accounts, there's no
Speaker 1: chance Daniel Jones is playing this week, and there's a
Speaker 1: pretty good chance Daniel Jones doesn't play the rest of
Speaker 1: the season. Said that there is that they are evaluating
Speaker 1: it as possible that the Jones will be back. All right,
Speaker 1: let's move on and hit the news yard. I'm saying,
Speaker 1: do you know? I exciting? What's up? Just keep talking?
Speaker 1: The great the greatest on field sound bite of a
Speaker 1: week fourteen, Maybe the year Yannick and Dockway of the
Speaker 1: Jaguars gets the Philip Rivers a moment too late. Rivers
Speaker 1: completes the ninety yard touchdown pass uh, and Gockway helps
Speaker 1: him up, and then Rivers just starts shouting ninety yard touchdown,
Speaker 1: nine yard touchdown and Gockway did not like that. Uh.
Speaker 1: A fun little interactions. It's so funny too. That's Philip
Speaker 1: Rivers being a bad boy, and it's still wildly wholesome.
Speaker 1: But also, West, you had a good point on this.
Speaker 1: It's absolutely lousy sportsmanship. It's just lousy. The guy helped
Speaker 1: you up, You're a jerk. I mean, he's in the
Speaker 1: heat of the moment, so I'll give Rivers that, But
Speaker 1: I was struck by the fact that this lineman helped
Speaker 1: you up and then you started shouting in his ear hole.
Speaker 1: And it's hilarious though. I mean, every every time you've
Speaker 1: ever played sports, there's one person who talks way too
Speaker 1: much trash and they usually it is annoying, but they
Speaker 1: love the game. You can tell he's just so excited.
Speaker 1: Like defensive players just think Philip Rivers is a crazy man,
Speaker 1: and he is. I like it. I like he's the
Speaker 1: dad and the knee braces and Larry Bird jersey at
Speaker 1: the y. Yeah, he just loves the game. He gets
Speaker 1: a little too, but he gets he gets emotional and
Speaker 1: he will Talksny Honey Badger tweeted out basically saying, this
Speaker 1: happens with Philip Rivers, and most defensive players would not
Speaker 1: take a fen because of whoivers. I would to say
Speaker 1: where he was a week before two had a lot
Speaker 1: to do with this had and Cockway not helped him
Speaker 1: up by all means, talk all the trash and want
Speaker 1: I look at it like or if the hit was
Speaker 1: a little late, and we talked about heating the call.
Speaker 1: I feel like Philip Rivers heeds the call. He doesn't
Speaker 1: know if that's his last long touchdown pass. Ever, he's
Speaker 1: got to enjoy. You gotta hate the right call, not
Speaker 1: any call longest on his career. All right, enough of
Speaker 1: this nonsense, because we have some breaking news, like real
Speaker 1: heavy stuff, stuff that changes the complexion of the world
Speaker 1: we live in. Spygate two, Spy harder, spy harder, the
Speaker 1: collapse of the Patriot dynasty. Spy Gate two. Let's go
Speaker 1: through it. Bengals coach Zach Taylor said, Monday that the
Speaker 1: NFL is investigating if the Patriots had a videographer film
Speaker 1: the Bengals sideline from the Cleveland press box during Sunday's game.
Speaker 1: The Pats, of course, are playing Cincinnati UH this upcoming week.
Speaker 1: Taylor had no comment to follow up questions on the matter.
Speaker 1: Rap Sheet reported via source informed the Patriots situation that
Speaker 1: New England reached out to the Browns for a credential
Speaker 1: Who's the Browns and Bengals this week? For a credential
Speaker 1: for a videographer to shoot behind the scenes footage on
Speaker 1: an advanced scout as part of their Do Your Jobs
Speaker 1: video series. The Pats followed with a statement on Monday
Speaker 1: night confirming confirming that the organization's video crew, independent of
Speaker 1: a football operation, did film the field while the press box.
Speaker 1: Greg's Dyan Uh during the Browns Bengals game. Belichick, who's
Speaker 1: the head of this organization. It's Robert Kraft and it's
Speaker 1: Billy boy. He Belichick goes on the radio and people
Speaker 1: have questions for him, and this is what Belichick had
Speaker 1: to say. Well, the fact that there you're you're telling
Speaker 1: us that, and we're also hearing from other people who
Speaker 1: claim exactly what you just said that it was for
Speaker 1: another TV show, and yet it's being presented. We've been
Speaker 1: watching it all afternoon on ESPN and elsewhere that you
Speaker 1: know this was videotaping the signals on the sideline. I
Speaker 1: mean we're going back ten years, Bill, it's all over again. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well no, no, no, that's um again. From a football standpoint,
Speaker 1: we absolutely know what the rules are and we are
Speaker 1: in compliance, to the best of my knowledge, of every
Speaker 1: single rule UM that we're responsible for. Greg answer to it.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's where we'll start. I mean, I
Speaker 1: have nothing to answered to. I got I got a
Speaker 1: feeding this immediately. I loved. I can't wait to find
Speaker 1: out where West comes down on this. I might surprise
Speaker 1: you on this one. This immediately called to mind check
Speaker 1: and Handsome Hanks debate a couple of weeks ago about
Speaker 1: the difference between irony and coincidence, because this qualifies as
Speaker 1: both irony and coincidence. It's coincidence that the Patriots in
Speaker 1: themselves embroid in another spy gate controversy. It's irony because
Speaker 1: what you see on the surface is not what's actually
Speaker 1: going on. But it's also irony because when the NFL
Speaker 1: found that the Patriots had read excuses ready for the
Speaker 1: first spy gate. Among those excuses was tell them you
Speaker 1: need the footage for a team show. Oh and my
Speaker 1: reading on this situation is that Belichick is innocent and
Speaker 1: it's just coincidence in irony that this happened. I think
Speaker 1: there's freelance of videographers involved. I think if you work
Speaker 1: in a big corporation or a big building like ours,
Speaker 1: you know that what's going on in the second floor
Speaker 1: for a TV show has absolutely nothing to do with
Speaker 1: what's going on in other parts of the building. And
Speaker 1: that's my reading on the situation. This is just an
Speaker 1: unfortunate coincidence. I thought you were down the pale list.
Speaker 1: I thought you were gonna say it was ironic because
Speaker 1: it was the Bengals. It was ironic because there's no
Speaker 1: coach or figure I would say in NFL history that
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick reveres more than Paul Brown. And there is
Speaker 1: no coach in NFL history. And really that era where
Speaker 1: there was such paranoia about Paul Brown, about a few
Speaker 1: different you know, coaches, George Allen would certainly be in
Speaker 1: that mix Al Davis where they all always thought they
Speaker 1: were spying on each other. They always all thought that,
Speaker 1: like they were trying to get extra edges by doing
Speaker 1: little thing, and nothing was ever proven. But Paul Brown,
Speaker 1: especially who modernized, uh the NFL, and you know eventually uh,
Speaker 1: you know, owned the Browns. You know, he he was
Speaker 1: kind of a guy that people had their suspicions about.
Speaker 1: So I thought, I thought, that's where you're going with
Speaker 1: the Iron case in case you're just joining us Spygate too,
Speaker 1: Return of the Gate. The Patriots under siege of dynasty
Speaker 1: in shambles, and we're speaking right now. The Patriots KR
Speaker 1: flack Greg Rosenthal, who says he has too much respect
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick to ever cheat on the Bengals, go on, Greg, No,
Speaker 1: I would never say that. I don't have you gonna
Speaker 1: have to be insanely stupid and reckless to be the
Speaker 1: Patriots and try to videotape. To be honest, I agree
Speaker 1: with you. But when they according to Paul Denner Junior,
Speaker 1: the Athletic right, the report that came out this morning,
Speaker 1: this is where I get caught up a little bit.
Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to spin it somewhere evil or
Speaker 1: anything either. I real quick. Mark mask the Washington Post
Speaker 1: reported before we came up here that severe sanctions are
Speaker 1: unlikely for the Patriots from where we stand right now, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Ian said they the league is inclined to believe the
Speaker 1: Patriots intentions on the video taming. That doesn't mean there
Speaker 1: won't be a penalty either. And we'll see where we
Speaker 1: are twenty four hours now. But in that report by
Speaker 1: Paul Denner, if I want to see the footage of
Speaker 1: over the shoulder of yeah, well, they've looked at it
Speaker 1: according to these sources that it's not some sort of uh,
Speaker 1: you know, flighty documentary where you're looking at the advanced
Speaker 1: scout typing and do it right? It is. There are people,
Speaker 1: according to sources in this report who have viewed the tape.
Speaker 1: It shows about eight minutes of footage focusing on recording
Speaker 1: the Bengals sideline. It's a direct view of the sideline
Speaker 1: as players run on and off the field and coaches
Speaker 1: make signals for plays. Does that sound like a playful
Speaker 1: do your job documentary about a advanced scout where you
Speaker 1: would want to have him in the picture. You'd want
Speaker 1: close ups of him. How does he do his job?
Speaker 1: Why are we why is there? If it was eighteen seconds,
Speaker 1: that's different eight under uninterrupted minutes of the sideline raises
Speaker 1: suspicions from a team that's done this before. At least
Speaker 1: the tapes the best, the best thing, and I feel
Speaker 1: I'm actually surprised that you guys are so just throwing
Speaker 1: it totally out. I don't really have I'm not a
Speaker 1: big now I mean West and Dan a big opinion
Speaker 1: one or one way or another yet because it's like,
Speaker 1: who the hell knows? People come on TV with like
Speaker 1: super hot takes about everything when like whatever you want
Speaker 1: to throw down on something, you just say, who the
Speaker 1: hell knows, But we're trying to break down you're a
Speaker 1: stronger opinion that then I would even that that you
Speaker 1: would throw it out, that it's that it's all I'm not.
Speaker 1: I want this investigated more than I ever wanted the
Speaker 1: uh slightly under inflated football invest Now, my my question
Speaker 1: was was what do what would you gain? What do
Speaker 1: you get from looking at the sidelines and people people
Speaker 1: have talked about well, of course they're not actually calling
Speaker 1: the plays on the sideline anymore, but maybe there's some
Speaker 1: little things with like personnel groupings, and then other X
Speaker 1: players say, well, you can figure all that out and
Speaker 1: then you send that Ernie Adams so he can dissect it,
Speaker 1: you know, the man behind the curtain. My my thought
Speaker 1: was more at the other end, like I, I don't know,
Speaker 1: isn't this stuff it's so it's tiring, like just because
Speaker 1: I grew up in Massachusetts, I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't have any like connection to like wanting to
Speaker 1: defend anything the Patriots do in general, but tiring as in,
Speaker 1: if something's been wrong, we were too tired to look
Speaker 1: into it. No, not that more like no, more like
Speaker 1: when stories come up like this, it's like, Okay, we
Speaker 1: gotta take sides, like here's the If you're inclined to
Speaker 1: believe in conspiracies, then those are there's that side. And
Speaker 1: then if you're a Patriots fan, you have to have
Speaker 1: your talking points. And I definitely problem I don't have.
Speaker 1: That feels to me like it's a little dismissive of
Speaker 1: people caring or why all I'm saying I think West
Speaker 1: is too is what I'm reading what they put out,
Speaker 1: and we're again we're still learning. It to me, sparks
Speaker 1: the concept of wanting to investigate further. I don't take
Speaker 1: about it. The thing they have working for them. I
Speaker 1: would say the Patriots is just a I guess like
Speaker 1: the defense of like, if we were that stupid, why
Speaker 1: would we do it in literally in the seat in
Speaker 1: front of a Bengal It feels weird that a seat
Speaker 1: in front of the Bengals employee. And then also, you know,
Speaker 1: if you remember well, with with spy gate and with
Speaker 1: the with the um deflate gate, the messaging was a
Speaker 1: little delayed. It wasn't as clear. It wasn't as we're
Speaker 1: gonna give you all the evidence in the world, whereas
Speaker 1: this one they came out swinging immediately, as you know,
Speaker 1: as at least giving the response that you would hope
Speaker 1: or expect someone that actually didn't do anything wrong to make,
Speaker 1: which is they came out hard right away. Belichick talked,
Speaker 1: They released a huge statement, They gave the tape right
Speaker 1: away to the NFL or whatever, and they said it's
Speaker 1: in it's in their hands, so that that's on their side.
Speaker 1: I don't know, though, I wouldn't put you know, who
Speaker 1: the hell knows. I would categorize it as a destabilizing
Speaker 1: or might the Patriots really need a rallying cry once again?
Speaker 1: Right we try to use this. I'm sure, Yeah. My
Speaker 1: thing is more like I don't know, it's just in
Speaker 1: the scheme of things, and I am I gonna keep
Speaker 1: getting worked up about stuff like this emotionally, what whether
Speaker 1: it's the Patriots or anything else NFL related, when yes,
Speaker 1: we take football very seriously, like we love talking about
Speaker 1: the game and stuff, but like controversies like this, it's
Speaker 1: hard to like get too worked up about when we're
Speaker 1: talking about like real things going on in the world
Speaker 1: or even real things going on in the NFL. You're
Speaker 1: you're minimizing it. And in the grand scheme, of course,
Speaker 1: it's not as big a deal as what's going on
Speaker 1: in the world politics, you know, crime, things like that,
Speaker 1: but it's still something that deserves to be looked at.
Speaker 1: And I'll say this even if it was an innocent mistake.
Speaker 1: And that's really again where I kind of come down,
Speaker 1: and it is way too brazen for them to actually,
Speaker 1: I think, be attempting to do this kind of stuff again.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, first, an organization that's is
Speaker 1: well run as this to not have the awareness that
Speaker 1: if you're the Patriots, don't don't even do that. Somebody
Speaker 1: should be talking to that video team, like listen we
Speaker 1: were involved in the biggest like cheating scandal of the
Speaker 1: last twenty years in sports, maybe we should not even
Speaker 1: go down that road. But to me, that doesn't mean
Speaker 1: that they are evil cheaters in this case, just maybe
Speaker 1: there wasn't. If I'm hiring and someone inside a company
Speaker 1: to create a engaging three or four minute piece about
Speaker 1: an employee and doing their job, right, I don't understand
Speaker 1: where the technical concept is. Here's how we're gonna make
Speaker 1: this engaging. We're going to film the sideline for eight
Speaker 1: straight minutes without moving the camera. That's a question that
Speaker 1: needs to be answered, all right, when we will continue
Speaker 1: to track this story as we must as journalists, as
Speaker 1: the gatekeepers, I'm glad you're on the case. We're all
Speaker 1: on this. Will run interference because he does. I'm all
Speaker 1: about it, Spy Gate two. Keep all right, keeps fine.
Speaker 1: Let's move on, UH, Let's move on. The NFL is
Speaker 1: planning a quote top down review of officiating UH in
Speaker 1: the off season. This from our own Judy Batista. The
Speaker 1: review will include examining who should be in charge of
Speaker 1: replay reviews at the officiating command center. UM. Obviously has
Speaker 1: been a difficult season UH for the officials and the
Speaker 1: especially the enactment of the past interference review rule, which
Speaker 1: we've kind of covered exhaustively throughout this season. Right now.
Speaker 1: The head of the whole thing, of course, is Senior
Speaker 1: Vice President of Officiating Al river Iron. But this certainly
Speaker 1: doesn't sound west like very good news for Al well.
Speaker 1: This has been bungled at every step along the way,
Speaker 1: starting with the German nation of the idea in the
Speaker 1: first place. In the Competition Committee, which I used to
Speaker 1: believe was by far the best in all of sports,
Speaker 1: is on a losing streak for a few years now.
Speaker 1: And this this idea that we can change rules over
Speaker 1: the course of the season depending on what we want
Speaker 1: emphasized that week or that month, messes with the integrity
Speaker 1: of the game. It needs to stop. It's been a
Speaker 1: trend for the last couple of years, and you need
Speaker 1: to have your rules in place by week one and
Speaker 1: have those was in place the entire season. I just
Speaker 1: I've lost some faith in what's going on with the
Speaker 1: rules in the NFL. I I have to a lesser degree,
Speaker 1: partly because I feel like, no matter what happens, everyone's
Speaker 1: going to be complaining. So it hurt it, Like I
Speaker 1: don't know what to do with that, and on some
Speaker 1: level it's starts. It's just bores me, if only because
Speaker 1: there's so much we don't know about everything that goes
Speaker 1: into anything. No, no, no, there's so much that we
Speaker 1: don't go that goes onto every play and every player
Speaker 1: and everything else that interests me in the NFL. But
Speaker 1: I hear so much about a fishing from so many
Speaker 1: smart people all the time, and it's all very similar
Speaker 1: points that it's like, I get it, but I guess
Speaker 1: I don't know what else you can do. How can
Speaker 1: you start with that call at Green Bay in Week
Speaker 1: three with Philadelphia where it was clear and obvious, and
Speaker 1: then go two months not call anything, and then in
Speaker 1: week fourteen hand a game to a team based on
Speaker 1: a call that wasn't as clear and obvious as some
Speaker 1: of the other ones. The Dolphins Jets game was handed
Speaker 1: to the team. Well, I think we've found out that
Speaker 1: it was going to be a problem in our summit
Speaker 1: with all of the other um you know, on air
Speaker 1: people where it was so obvious. When Al Riveron was
Speaker 1: pointing out which plays were clear and obvious and which
Speaker 1: ones weren't, half the audience disagreed. With them on every call,
Speaker 1: so we knew then, So I I get that in
Speaker 1: their mind west Obviously they're not trying to confuse people
Speaker 1: like they they think it is clear and obvious and no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no, no no, no, no, no, you're covering for them. They
Speaker 1: have deep I'm saying they were back in back definition
Speaker 1: the emphasis during the season. And you know this because
Speaker 1: all of the talking head referees on all the TV
Speaker 1: shows in week in week thirteen came out with talking
Speaker 1: points saying, hey, this is changing now every single one
Speaker 1: of the three weeks on the first time they threw
Speaker 1: to those analysts. But here's the thing. I think it's
Speaker 1: at least can we for the most I would say
Speaker 1: it's better right now they've corrected about I can think
Speaker 1: of six or seven very obvious calls, and then there's
Speaker 1: been a couple of where I side with Greg on
Speaker 1: the on that I just don't know how you fix it.
Speaker 1: Where it's the hundred year of the NFL and you
Speaker 1: go back eighty years. People didn't like officials then you
Speaker 1: could shout at them, but the officials had authority because
Speaker 1: there were no other eyes, there was no technology. Has
Speaker 1: turned this into a total debacle because we can see
Speaker 1: much better than the officials. We have eighty angles and
Speaker 1: then they have been stripped of their on field authority.
Speaker 1: The problem, the problem here is that Ron Rivera al
Speaker 1: Vera river Ron excuse me, is saying he's coming out
Speaker 1: telling a pool reporter on Sunday it is not being
Speaker 1: applied any differently than it was at the beginning of
Speaker 1: the year. And then here here's some data right here,
Speaker 1: and this is from um Andrew Siciliano in the NFL
Speaker 1: Now team from weeks one to ten, and ten out
Speaker 1: of sixty five p I challenges were reversed fifteen port
Speaker 1: fifteen point four percent. From weeks eleven through four teen,
Speaker 1: it's been ten out of forty point four percent. There
Speaker 1: has been a change. Now it's a small sample size,
Speaker 1: and there's been more of those where they call in
Speaker 1: and change it on their own. And that's happened. And
Speaker 1: here's the thing. And you brought up the Jets staffins West.
Speaker 1: They got they got the call right because it was
Speaker 1: past interference by by the law. But however, why why
Speaker 1: it doesn't work? And even though yes, I agree with you, Greg,
Speaker 1: and I agree with you Mark that at least they're
Speaker 1: kind of at least making the rule worth a damn Now,
Speaker 1: you just cannot change a rule in the middle of
Speaker 1: a season, just like you can't change rules in the
Speaker 1: middle of a game. You have to have one guiding
Speaker 1: guiding principles for how you're going to force something. It's
Speaker 1: got to stick through the whole season before you change it,
Speaker 1: didn't We see something very similar last season when it
Speaker 1: came to roughing the passer, the all the the stuff
Speaker 1: that was going on with Claim Matthews and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden that kind of dried up as they have
Speaker 1: to get to get out of this habit and maybe
Speaker 1: it isn't come down with the helmet, the leading with
Speaker 1: the helmet. Remember we spent a whole offseason talking about
Speaker 1: the leading with the helmet? Uh rule, Like, how can
Speaker 1: running backs even survive in today's NFL? Is like Michael
Speaker 1: Robinson and Morays Jones, you're standing up for the running
Speaker 1: bad rights of running back. I think they've called that
Speaker 1: penalty four times in the three years since it was
Speaker 1: it was the Brown's running back. They named it after him.
Speaker 1: Who was it? It was that when you can't put
Speaker 1: your head down. I don't feel like they had a
Speaker 1: running back before showed up. So Peyton hillis Hill was uh, oh,
Speaker 1: well it doesn't matter, um, all right, I was kind
Speaker 1: of half paying attention during the summit, so that might
Speaker 1: be the reason I can't come up at the name.
Speaker 1: All right, Let's move on, uh and deal with the
Speaker 1: lighter side of sports. Lost seasons, bad things happened to teams,
Speaker 1: and stupid stories pop up around bad teams at the
Speaker 1: end of seasons. Leavy On Bell, Uh, he came down
Speaker 1: with a flu bug last week. And usually when a
Speaker 1: player it's sick and you you hear about it, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, heading into the weekend of the game, he
Speaker 1: ends up suiting up. But when it comes to this
Speaker 1: Jets team in this Jet season, Bell actually gets shut down.
Speaker 1: He's not playing, Okay, the Jets win without him. In fact,
Speaker 1: Billy Powell sets the team uh high for rushing yards
Speaker 1: in the game with seventy four yards. So that tells
Speaker 1: you a lot about lavy On Bell season with the Jets. Anyway,
Speaker 1: Saturday night, while the Jets are at a hotel prepping
Speaker 1: for the Dolphins, Bell was spotted at a New Jersey
Speaker 1: bowling alley, hours after the Jets had ruled him out
Speaker 1: of the week fourteen game. Uh with the illness now here.
Speaker 1: The setup to this is that you kind of knew
Speaker 1: when they come to Adam Gaze today what he's gonna say,
Speaker 1: which is, well, we don't really we didn't. He wasn't
Speaker 1: supposed to be with the team, So we're because he
Speaker 1: was contagious, and we've heard about the flu bug going
Speaker 1: around the NFL the last couple of weeks. However, it's
Speaker 1: obviously not a great look. And here is what Adam
Speaker 1: Gays had to say about Levy on Bell. That's not
Speaker 1: I mean, that wasn't his fault that we said that
Speaker 1: he was still contagious. That's what That's what the doctors
Speaker 1: told him. I'd rather not be at homes getting better.
Speaker 1: I can't tell him this. You have to stay in
Speaker 1: your houts. Oh my gosh. Gaye seems so uh so miserable,
Speaker 1: but maybe this breaking news will cheer him up. Lebyan
Speaker 1: Bell has revealed he bowled a two fifty one on
Speaker 1: Saturday night, his best score ever. He had the flu
Speaker 1: game he can fight through injury, career high. He also
Speaker 1: said doctors told him to get out of the house
Speaker 1: and get moving, which feels like a convenient excuse I've
Speaker 1: you know, I'm really upset that he's just throwing the
Speaker 1: Jets money away and disrespecting them versus left Bell and
Speaker 1: a bowling count. To me, it's the best thing he's
Speaker 1: done all year in an athletic pursuit. I'm proud of him.
Speaker 1: I mean, he skips the game. What kind of teammate
Speaker 1: is that? Anyways? Are you trying to get even for
Speaker 1: the Patriots stuff? That's where it was more like stories
Speaker 1: New York impression of like a New York sports talk
Speaker 1: show host who's more likely to be a Jet in
Speaker 1: two thousand twenty, Love Bell or Adam Gates. That's a
Speaker 1: tight horse. I think I would say Adam Gaze only
Speaker 1: because we know he has or we've heard that he
Speaker 1: has ownership support. Whereas the head coach never wanted leavy
Speaker 1: On Bell in the first place, and now he's delivered
Speaker 1: a season where he's done almost nothing. I imagine the
Speaker 1: well other than the two is very good, and Adam
Speaker 1: Gases has some history of taking what should be good
Speaker 1: running backs and minimizing their abilities. I don't think that
Speaker 1: it's all on love Bell. Do you have a terrible
Speaker 1: offensive line? Well, come get him, Come get leave Bell
Speaker 1: was you'll get the guy. You'll get the guy that
Speaker 1: was on the Steelers. If that's indeed true, Charlie Castle said,
Speaker 1: Billy Powell is you know, they're better off with Billy
Speaker 1: Powell because Billy Powell just runs, goes for it, and
Speaker 1: Bell's style doesn't necessarily work with such a bad offensive line.
Speaker 1: His contract makes him essentially impossible to cut, although everything
Speaker 1: that would have to be Actually they could just do it,
Speaker 1: because could just eat it if they want, but it
Speaker 1: just as ridiculously stupid. Won't eat it though, because as
Speaker 1: bad as he has been this year, there are you
Speaker 1: could point to reasons why it hasn't worked out. And
Speaker 1: also this is the first instance where he's kind of
Speaker 1: been uh painted or looked poor as a teammate. He's
Speaker 1: been pretty good soldier overall. But I think they will.
Speaker 1: I think they'll move him in a trade and they
Speaker 1: might not get a lot of value back, but they'll
Speaker 1: get the money off the books and a team will
Speaker 1: think they can get GM also had nothing to do
Speaker 1: with that. I will say bowling is about as overrated
Speaker 1: of an activity as you can find in America. I
Speaker 1: think it's one of the great underrated parlor games. Well,
Speaker 1: you hate all parlor games. I sam a parlor game.
Speaker 1: You like ba I like bowling more than other parlor games.
Speaker 1: I just think it's overrated, as like, remember when anyone
Speaker 1: can play it. Remember the superl we all bowling and
Speaker 1: the old juser bowled like a fifty three on his
Speaker 1: first try. So he was over in the next lane
Speaker 1: practicing while we were got about that. That That was in
Speaker 1: the York Bell. By the way, the oil wasn't right
Speaker 1: on that lane. He's guaranteed thirteen million dollars next year.
Speaker 1: No one's trading for him unless the Jets offered to
Speaker 1: pay like half that money, which doesn't even like just
Speaker 1: bring him back. He's fine, he's not their biggest teams
Speaker 1: were he generated interest at the trade deadline. All right,
Speaker 1: I'll put a sandwich out there that he's not on
Speaker 1: the Jets next year. But I'll take you just for
Speaker 1: the sake of it, but a sport. I kind of
Speaker 1: say it like that throwed on the board. I think
Speaker 1: there's a better chance. I think there's a better chance
Speaker 1: cases gone that one's still on my radar. So unhappy. Well,
Speaker 1: if Matt rule, well they didn't they want to hire
Speaker 1: Matt Rule, the Baylor coach, and he basically said no,
Speaker 1: they wouldn't allow him to hire his own staff, which
Speaker 1: is ridiculous. I didn't have experience, so they hired anyway. Um,
Speaker 1: what is your best bowling score ever? I'd say about
Speaker 1: one I lost to. I'm not saying this as this
Speaker 1: is true. I lost to a child once when I
Speaker 1: was an adult, and I am not a good bowler.
Speaker 1: That may have something to do with the triple digits.
Speaker 1: I think I got one like one time, but I
Speaker 1: never got anywhere near that. Usually my highest right around
Speaker 1: to one seventy. And it's a great disappointment because Keith
Speaker 1: Hansas average is about My dad averaged about one seventy something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and uh, and you know, I I believe I let
Speaker 1: him down. Now. I've always told my dad, I said, Dad,
Speaker 1: you know you could have helped me. You could have.
Speaker 1: You've taught you taught me so many things in life
Speaker 1: about how to be a man, how to be a
Speaker 1: ball player, how to treat people, how to treat family,
Speaker 1: but you never taught me how to bowl. And I've
Speaker 1: always held that against Pop. I mean, and he knows that. Wow,
Speaker 1: and it's not too late that against Dad's coming, Dad's
Speaker 1: coming for Christmas this year, And maybe we gotta say
Speaker 1: that's a game that you can play your whole life.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not too late in his just in
Speaker 1: your prime. Now. It has a bit on you to
Speaker 1: practice some Yeah, in his defense, it does kind of
Speaker 1: feel like one of those sports you can let me
Speaker 1: just figure it out. I guess, I guess I never
Speaker 1: really practiced it well, although I guess. Yeah, the whole
Speaker 1: spin and all that stuff. Yeah, become a bowl Actually
Speaker 1: good for my buddy Bob have talked about bowling. There's
Speaker 1: some good Hang up the spikes and become put on
Speaker 1: the old bowling shoes, put on the clown shoes, the
Speaker 1: big alley sport. All right, let's uh, let's move on. Oh,
Speaker 1: let's head to the kicker club. Oh yes, yeah, I
Speaker 1: did some good news after that left bell drop. The
Speaker 1: good news is somebody lost his job. Yeah, Baby, Brett
Speaker 1: Marr is out as the Cowboys kicker. And when somebody's out,
Speaker 1: somebody's got to come in. And guess who's coming in
Speaker 1: Kai for bath Baby. It's a good day for the
Speaker 1: Kai Boys to save the Cowboys season. This is exactly
Speaker 1: the situation I wanted. I hated the New England page.
Speaker 1: Ki Boys, Is that what you said? Yeah? Where the
Speaker 1: Ki Boys? Ballast Kiboys. It's a new fan club. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a fan club we got. Let's go
Speaker 1: over and again. We have the Kai Boys, the Blow Hearts,
Speaker 1: Blow Hearts struggling right now, the Bohemians dealing with the
Speaker 1: Lions Star are we missing anyone? Do you still that
Speaker 1: the ben Chuvians? I mean, I didn't know it has
Speaker 1: been Chuvia. I would see if you have everyone we
Speaker 1: just mentioned. That's the fan club that has the best
Speaker 1: shot of thriving a year from now. I just heard
Speaker 1: the numbers are down recently. Stair Weather fans in there
Speaker 1: like a fifteenth century cult. It's it's personal anyway. Good
Speaker 1: spot for Kai here because he joins the first place team,
Speaker 1: a team that's on TV all the time that people
Speaker 1: are gonna pay attention to. That um he has a
Speaker 1: chance to really get his career back on track. Or
Speaker 1: you could view it as a ship that's suddenly been
Speaker 1: turned on fire in the middle of the water and
Speaker 1: maybe sunk three weeks from now, and he could be
Speaker 1: gone in a week. And isn't that the life of
Speaker 1: a kicker in general. It is I mean, it's a
Speaker 1: great opportunity indoors what I'm saying, big spots, you know,
Speaker 1: playing for a team that laid down like dogs in
Speaker 1: their last game. And another kicker. News out of Vintieri
Speaker 1: UH is undergoing season ending knee surgery, ending his disappointing
Speaker 1: UH and ugly NFL season with the Cults. He came
Speaker 1: out today, I believe, and said he wished you what
Speaker 1: he got the surgery before the season. And you know
Speaker 1: what that means. He ain't ready to quit. That means
Speaker 1: that is that has all the ear marks as long
Speaker 1: as the leg in cooperates with him in the rehab
Speaker 1: of a guy that wants to come back and prove
Speaker 1: to everyone. The only reason he was bad this year
Speaker 1: is not because he was finished. It's because he was
Speaker 1: never physically right. He wants to leave the door open.
Speaker 1: He's turned, did he not? According to Pro Football Reference,
Speaker 1: he's also known as Automatic Adam, Iceman, or Vinny. Where
Speaker 1: do they get these? I wrote an article once on
Speaker 1: our website about the strangest nicknames, and I think Vinny
Speaker 1: might have been one that got a little Who's ever
Speaker 1: called him automatic Adam? That would ever called him any
Speaker 1: of those things. Peyton Manning can wait till the last
Speaker 1: year of his career to be called the sheriff and
Speaker 1: its sticks, and he will. I guess they're just gonna
Speaker 1: rubber standing for the Hall of Fame. It is very
Speaker 1: strange how kicking has two. It's less, it's just no
Speaker 1: position it has more. Obviously, obviously every position is changed,
Speaker 1: but it's it's no more clear because kicking is the
Speaker 1: exact same basically now as it was back then. Jon
Speaker 1: Stan Rude the only kicker in the NFL Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame Morton went into but Yon Standard for a long
Speaker 1: time was the only kicker had the exact same career
Speaker 1: field goal percentage as Brett mar did this season for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. That's how much kicking has changed. Like if
Speaker 1: you hit two thirds of year kicks, now you get
Speaker 1: replaced by Kai freaking for Bath. Back then they you're
Speaker 1: the best kicker of all time. That's how you know
Speaker 1: sports are so much better. The athletes are so much better.
Speaker 1: Because anything you can track, like track and field, anything
Speaker 1: with a clock or anything that's measured, people blow away
Speaker 1: the records. I mean it's not even a contest. Some
Speaker 1: more Pro Football Focus weird names Pro Football Reference. I
Speaker 1: should say Tom Brady the Pharaoh? What is? I think
Speaker 1: they're like dot Com it's right there. But Atavinitary Automatic,
Speaker 1: Adam or Iceman, J. J. Watt the Milkman or JJ Swat. Okay,
Speaker 1: I've heard Swat. You've heard that one. How about another
Speaker 1: one for Tom Brady is sir? What? How about Eric
Speaker 1: Berry is the fifth dimension? How about Eric Berry is
Speaker 1: out of the league? What is happening about? Is Eric
Speaker 1: Barry out of the league? How about Patrick Mahomes the musician,
Speaker 1: Fat Trick or the gun sling here former has an
Speaker 1: autobiography or a biography called the guns Singer? This already taken?
Speaker 1: What is Pro Football Reference? A rather serious reached out
Speaker 1: to them. They they stated that it's sometimes something they
Speaker 1: pick up or someone mails into them and they don't
Speaker 1: vet it too hard. It's kind of like a fun
Speaker 1: little thing, but there's always something behind it. It's just
Speaker 1: it's not made up. Mitch Drobisky, Mr Biscuit, what yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll send this link out? This is that was? That
Speaker 1: was a good one, um stale Biscuit? Alright, ouch, you
Speaker 1: actually picked a good Thursday night game to miss. There
Speaker 1: we talked about it on the show. Yeah, no, that
Speaker 1: was Bisky raising back from that. I mean, I got
Speaker 1: jets Ravens, so I'm not sure that I didn't. It
Speaker 1: wasn't the World of Trading assets, and I'm sure Twitter
Speaker 1: by this point Astrobisky over Kirk Cousins. I mean rankings,
Speaker 1: because the only thing that matters is what happened in
Speaker 1: the last I was the winner, though, and so the
Speaker 1: listeners of the throwback podcast they were because I took over.
Speaker 1: We act a little arcade. Fire Funeral is you know,
Speaker 1: one of the most You're gonna have to top my
Speaker 1: post TNF recap appearance on that show. That was a
Speaker 1: disgusted teenage years mixtapes Mon Sessler Anthems and Chris Westling
Speaker 1: is gonna come in with his wife very soon? Well maybe,
Speaker 1: well you better doing Max drops and now we got
Speaker 1: a problem. We'll see if we can get her in.
Speaker 1: He's still coming to work, I think, yea. I know
Speaker 1: it's tough being pregnant, though I've seen it. I've seen
Speaker 1: my wife go through it. It's not easy being up late,
Speaker 1: sitting in an uncomfortable chair in a garage. Well, maybe
Speaker 1: we get her earlier before it. You know, you don't
Speaker 1: want you to get the second term, Erica third term.
Speaker 1: You know how it gets really rough? Well, Keisha, why
Speaker 1: what are you doing Erica digging yourself? Oh my god,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, right, that will not make it all right? Um,
Speaker 1: oh my god? Uh all right, that's that's what's happening
Speaker 1: in the news. All right. Do we want to do
Speaker 1: we have to do? We have time to do this segment.
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, we're fifty minutes into the show.
Speaker 1: Do we want to just go to the really too
Speaker 1: in the fact, how about one quick quick one? Alright,
Speaker 1: one quick one each? What you people don't realize marks like,
Speaker 1: there's no way I will try to be quick. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's not outrageous. It's not outrageous. Do you want us
Speaker 1: to start with you? I'll go first about that and
Speaker 1: get out of the way, and then you guys can
Speaker 1: decide how quick you want to be after it's just marked.
Speaker 1: What you people, that's this topical, that's the name of
Speaker 1: this segment. Right, What you little snowflake wind bags don't
Speaker 1: realize is that my previous prediction about backup quarterback Jared's
Speaker 1: Stidham When you know home playoff game for the Patriots
Speaker 1: has been altered by the spiritual impact of these new
Speaker 1: paths videotaping issues. What you Lake Front Slappy's don't realize
Speaker 1: is that New England's two thousand nineteen journey will end
Speaker 1: like this with a titanic postseason why acting at home
Speaker 1: by Mike Rabel and the Titans, Tom Brady will throw
Speaker 1: three first half picks and the Patriots will lose by
Speaker 1: twenty plus points and from of a melting down Gillette
Speaker 1: Stadium with Bill Belichick suspended and out of the second
Speaker 1: Have you noticed that every one of our segments turns
Speaker 1: into a wild Mark Sessler prediction? Now it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: what the what the setup is. Well, this started as
Speaker 1: what's more likely until about twenty minutes before the show. So,
Speaker 1: but with Bill Belichick suspended and out of the picture,
Speaker 1: and with Josh McDaniels serving as fill in head coach,
Speaker 1: and with Brady toiling amid whispers the team will not
Speaker 1: bring him back in from months after the loss, Brady
Speaker 1: defiantly refuses to speak to anyone inside the organization and
Speaker 1: winds up signing a one year monster contract with Brian
Speaker 1: Flores and the Miami Dolphins. What's more, likely. I don't
Speaker 1: know what was the what's more likely that I'm curious, Well,
Speaker 1: I had to read write it gives let's go, I
Speaker 1: don't have I've raised all So what's more likely to
Speaker 1: Brady's on the Dolphins next year? Or this is a
Speaker 1: this is I'm telling you a scenario that happen. You
Speaker 1: know what that that scenario which you know now you're
Speaker 1: covered either way. Like now you have two different scenarios.
Speaker 1: So if if Titans, you know, you don't get credit
Speaker 1: for Stidham. Now if that happens, you will get credit.
Speaker 1: He knows he will, I will get credit either way. Um,
Speaker 1: so that's good. You're you're doubling your chances. That scenario
Speaker 1: really reminds me of two thousand nine, which I think
Speaker 1: was the darkest, uh moment of the last twenty years
Speaker 1: of the Patriots, unless you get really worked up about
Speaker 1: Spygate or whatnot. Was you know, them getting booed off
Speaker 1: the field after the Ravens beat them by what twenty
Speaker 1: five points and there was like trap, there was a
Speaker 1: windy day and there was this trash blowing around and that,
Speaker 1: and that was really the where everyone said, Okay, is
Speaker 1: this the end of the Patriots dynasty going into two thousands,
Speaker 1: and it was whether you whether you believe it happened
Speaker 1: or not. I would say Tom Brady, the greatest quarterback ever,
Speaker 1: being suspended from the NFL for cheating was maybe a
Speaker 1: darker moment for the As a fan, though, I like
Speaker 1: that one hurt more because you thought maybe it was
Speaker 1: no one thought he was the greatest quarterback of all time,
Speaker 1: then no one even would put him in that conversation. Yeah, alright, Wes,
Speaker 1: you are up. What you fatuous frauds do realize is
Speaker 1: that Matt Ryan's two thousand sixteen m v P season
Speaker 1: under Kyle Shanahan calling the plays is the closest any
Speaker 1: quarterback has come to completing at least seventy of his
Speaker 1: passes at at least ten adjusted yards per attempt. No
Speaker 1: quarterback has ever done it. What you odious ostriches with
Speaker 1: your head in the sand don't realize is that Ryan
Speaker 1: Tannehill is currently at seventy three point four completion rate
Speaker 1: and ten point two adjusted yards per attempt. Not only
Speaker 1: is he accurate, he's lethal down field, and of course
Speaker 1: all these things have to be adjusted for era, but
Speaker 1: you rarely see that combination of accuracy and downfield prowess
Speaker 1: in a quarterback, especially Ryan Tannehill, where throughout his whole career,
Speaker 1: it's funny we've done this podcast so long to see
Speaker 1: a guy that used to not really appreciate Ryan tan
Speaker 1: Hill taking over for your boy Mariota and the thing
Speaker 1: we would get on tannhells he couldn't throw it downfield.
Speaker 1: But they've been on fire doing it. They have played
Speaker 1: three of the worst, you know, past defenses in the NFL,
Speaker 1: and he helped his numbers. I saw something that they've
Speaker 1: played the second easiest schedule in the league this year
Speaker 1: and their last three weeks are the hardest schedule in
Speaker 1: the league. But not past defense. I wouldn't say when
Speaker 1: you have the Texans twice to your point about the
Speaker 1: arm strength. The touchdown to a J. Brown on a
Speaker 1: play action where he had pressure in his face and
Speaker 1: couldn't even really step in and drive the way you
Speaker 1: would think you would have to do on like a
Speaker 1: fifty yard downfield heave puts it right on the money,
Speaker 1: a perfectly thrown ball. To me, I was an eye
Speaker 1: opener that that he really does have a very strong arm.
Speaker 1: Not to be a total jerk, but I have to
Speaker 1: start to question and Adam Gates in the quarterback position
Speaker 1: that none of that was happening during Ryan's handle. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: but you said that on Sunday. Also, we got that.
Speaker 1: I got you well, I didn't need to. I said
Speaker 1: it Sunday, you said it Thursday. Were just but I
Speaker 1: didn't say it. So do you want me to defend
Speaker 1: Adam Gates? I cannot. I am not interested in doing that.
Speaker 1: I know, but sometimes it's fun to see to what
Speaker 1: extent you're not interested in doing. It's like, I don't
Speaker 1: think the whole thing with the spy Gates how interested.
Speaker 1: I amn't defending him for this one, not at all.
Speaker 1: Stop putting yourself in stupid situation. Thank you? What's wrong
Speaker 1: with you? Okay? What you Yeah? I didn't know we
Speaker 1: had to cook up these terms for each other. What
Speaker 1: you frozen turred burgers don't realize is that there is
Speaker 1: a sheep. There is an emperor with no clothes in
Speaker 1: the NFC that currently has a by if the season ended.
Speaker 1: The Packers aren't for real. You guys don't see that
Speaker 1: yet because you guys, you look at wins and losses
Speaker 1: and you look, oh wow, they're handling their business. But
Speaker 1: you know what, and I'm not gonna go too crazy
Speaker 1: about the last two weeks because if you get the
Speaker 1: Giants and the Redskins and back to back weeds, you
Speaker 1: might not, you know, be completely pumped up and dropped
Speaker 1: bombs back to back weeks saying, hey, they just got
Speaker 1: the job done. But then you take a closer look
Speaker 1: at their schedule. You know, the last time they played
Speaker 1: a real team, that forty down has embarrassed them seven
Speaker 1: to eight. And I was like, where is the win
Speaker 1: where you kind of sit up in your chair and
Speaker 1: you go, oh, yeah, the Packers. Man, Uh, they beat
Speaker 1: the Chiefs. That was an arrowhead, but Mahomes wasn't playing. Uh.
Speaker 1: They beat they killed the Raiders the week before, which
Speaker 1: was in the moment. That was a nice win in
Speaker 1: the moment, but you know, as we've kind of come
Speaker 1: to learn, that's obviously not a gifted Raiders team. Uh.
Speaker 1: They beat the Cowboys in Dallas in week five, but
Speaker 1: that was already when the Cowboys began their kind of
Speaker 1: slow descent into mediocrity. They don't really have like a
Speaker 1: team like the forty niners. They beat the Vikings, Okay,
Speaker 1: I mean that is ancient history. But I'll give you
Speaker 1: that that that's a legitimate win. Um lost to the Eagles.
Speaker 1: My point being is that while team like the forty
Speaker 1: Niners to use an example, being battle tested week after
Speaker 1: week and you know what you got in them, if
Speaker 1: the Packers face one of these big boys in a
Speaker 1: big spot, do I think this offense is gonna necessarily
Speaker 1: make the plays that needs to make? Do I think
Speaker 1: this defense should ever be trusted? Um? No, This this
Speaker 1: might have the feel like one of those twelve and
Speaker 1: four teams that just kind of fizzle out in their
Speaker 1: first playoff game. We always fall back on, Hey, as
Speaker 1: long as you make the playoffs, that's all that matter.
Speaker 1: It's a new season that starts in. But what kind
Speaker 1: of analysis is that every team has the same chance
Speaker 1: once the playoffs starts. No, the Packers, I agree with you,
Speaker 1: are not that impressive. They are one of the least
Speaker 1: impressive ten in three teams, and they sound like they're frustrated.
Speaker 1: Rogers in Fleur sounded like they lost that game. I
Speaker 1: mean they were pretty furious. I think with their offensive
Speaker 1: performance afterwards. I don't think it's it's not that everything
Speaker 1: leading up it didn't matter this. I mean, this team,
Speaker 1: especially that hasn't had a track record under this coach.
Speaker 1: They need to start putting it together, all right, Greg,
Speaker 1: close it out? All right? What you uh imbeciles a
Speaker 1: fatuous did you say that? A buzzer about what you chatterbox? Now?
Speaker 1: But people don't realize the way to stop the Ravens
Speaker 1: isn't necessarily. People don't realize what you bird brain there
Speaker 1: we go. Fools don't realize is the way to stop
Speaker 1: the Ravens isn't necessarily with a great rush defense. Who
Speaker 1: really needs a great rush Devens. What you need is
Speaker 1: a past defense. You have two of the best past
Speaker 1: defense in the league. Keep the Ravens under three yards.
Speaker 1: And I know the weather was, you know, not great.
Speaker 1: That was a factor. A news flash. Their weather might
Speaker 1: not be great in the postseason either in Baltimore. The
Speaker 1: fact that they were under three hundred yards in back
Speaker 1: to back weeks, to me is an interesting development and
Speaker 1: the way that they did it so similarly the forty
Speaker 1: Niners and the Bills by trusting a great secondary to
Speaker 1: just win one on one matchups and crowd the middle
Speaker 1: of the field and stuff those mark ingram runs For
Speaker 1: the most part and have some athletes that can make
Speaker 1: plays on the outside. Not many teams have that. It's
Speaker 1: not like you can just carbon copy the forts of
Speaker 1: the Bills roster. But the way that they've just absolutely
Speaker 1: over the last two weeks slowed down the Ravens passing
Speaker 1: attack by saying beat us, beat us one on one
Speaker 1: with those wide receivers, and the Ravens haven't really been
Speaker 1: able to do it, I think was eye opening. And
Speaker 1: I look at one team in particular in the a
Speaker 1: f C, the in the City Chiefs, who can play
Speaker 1: pretty good past defense, and just dare you had a
Speaker 1: match up one on one and and who knows? I
Speaker 1: think that that is a tough matchup. It's also happened
Speaker 1: to be the opponent that made Lamar Jackson look the
Speaker 1: worst and everyone, Okay, that was way earlier in the season.
Speaker 1: That's fine. It was still his worst game of the
Speaker 1: season by far, and he was especially lost in that
Speaker 1: game throwing the ball. I thought the Browns did the
Speaker 1: same thing the week later. And but if you want
Speaker 1: to look at the Bills game specifically, Marky's Brown has
Speaker 1: been in a slump and he's not healthy. He had
Speaker 1: negative two yards receiving in that game, and they lost
Speaker 1: Marky Andrews early on, and their offense to me is
Speaker 1: just simply not the same without him on the field.
Speaker 1: So they were a little banged up, but the guys
Speaker 1: to the point of their depth. If you don't have
Speaker 1: Brown and he's not been healthy, feels like in ages
Speaker 1: Panics something happens to Marky Andrews. There. They are pick
Speaker 1: off candidates for that. I mean, I look, I think
Speaker 1: they're one of the great regular season teams that keep
Speaker 1: saying that, But I do think that that we've seen
Speaker 1: maybe a great secondary, great past events like Buffalo, like
Speaker 1: Kansas City, maybe like New England. Uh uh, you know,
Speaker 1: can can create some problems because you don't want to
Speaker 1: be too one dimensional if you're the how did they
Speaker 1: lose last year? Great timing, Greg. We spin this right
Speaker 1: into t NF preview. Jets have Ravens, and my question
Speaker 1: is I see some similarities two thousand nineteen Ravens two
Speaker 1: thousand seven Patriots, where I'm asking did they peak too soon?
Speaker 1: That's what I was just thinking they were a jug
Speaker 1: two months they have and like we saw that that
Speaker 1: graphic on TV out of Lamar Jackson's like last thirty
Speaker 1: three drives, twenty four of them had been touchdowns. There
Speaker 1: were more neil downs than punts. And now they are
Speaker 1: they're winning games, just like the two thousand seven Patriots
Speaker 1: kind of stumbled to the finish line. I'm not even
Speaker 1: ready to go that far, but I do think to
Speaker 1: expect them to be just the juggernaut, you know, rushing
Speaker 1: attack and offense throughout the player. It's probably not gonna
Speaker 1: work out that way. And then and they'll say, look
Speaker 1: at look how well our defense is playing. They can
Speaker 1: win games different types of ways, but you can't expect
Speaker 1: to get six touchdowns in six possessions in there. Yes, there.
Speaker 1: They came out of their Week eight by they had
Speaker 1: a three game winning stree coming into the by. Then
Speaker 1: they came out dropped thirty seven points on the Patriots,
Speaker 1: forty nine on the Bengals, forty one on Houston on
Speaker 1: the Rams. Uh and so that was one of the
Speaker 1: great runs. Feels like someone ripping off of Ravens Madden
Speaker 1: season in the room. That was. You know, that was
Speaker 1: arguably the greatest November we've ever seen. Maybe the two
Speaker 1: thousand seven Patriots have something to say, but those are
Speaker 1: four games all played in November where they just absolutely
Speaker 1: dominated the league and dominated some good teams as well.
Speaker 1: Will they ever get back to that height, Maybe, maybe not,
Speaker 1: But the Jets are a good team for them to
Speaker 1: uh just you know, work on some things if they
Speaker 1: feel like they've gotten a little bit out of whack,
Speaker 1: because obviously the Jets have struggled to score a lot
Speaker 1: of points. Their defense has I believe um overperformed. They've
Speaker 1: have had a nice season, but by no means are
Speaker 1: they a d fens that should give Lamar Jackson and
Speaker 1: the Ravens a lot of trouble. I think one thing
Speaker 1: to watch for me if I'm watching this from you know,
Speaker 1: what is the what are we looking for? Why does
Speaker 1: this game matter? Because we all assume even Ravens easy
Speaker 1: Ravens victory, as does the desert two touchdowns. In fact, um,
Speaker 1: is Lamar Jackson moving well? He has this quad injury
Speaker 1: that's popped up. Um that is not inconsequential because he's
Speaker 1: a guy that's shown he could throw the ball this year.
Speaker 1: I did tweet that Lamar said he's feeling great. Now
Speaker 1: I know that player, but so you gotta see it.
Speaker 1: You gotta see if you can make it through a
Speaker 1: whole game. Is he gonna use his legs to make
Speaker 1: plays outside the pocket, which is what makes him truly special.
Speaker 1: So I think that will be the game thing to
Speaker 1: watch on Thursday night, which otherwise is gonna be a
Speaker 1: hard game, even NFL Network. You know they've been doing
Speaker 1: those ads all season where they have the two fan
Speaker 1: bases like barking at each other. I don't even think
Speaker 1: they did that for this game because they knew we're
Speaker 1: not gonna have some fake Jets fan like talking down
Speaker 1: to a Raven's fan right now. It's a good car
Speaker 1: I haven't seen. Yeah, I think that's I think they
Speaker 1: little bit much. They lost it for this game. Uh
Speaker 1: wait to read the room. Yeah. So it just gives
Speaker 1: you a vibe of where this game should be heading.
Speaker 1: We'll find out how the Ravens handle being a man.
Speaker 1: I do wonder if some of the downtick on offense.
Speaker 1: And now you played the Bill the forty Niners and Bills,
Speaker 1: and that's tough weather too, and but you have they
Speaker 1: they lost Matt Skur, the center, Ronnie Stanley, their left
Speaker 1: tackle is a concussion right now, and as if he
Speaker 1: especially on a short week, and the Bills put heat
Speaker 1: on Lamar Jackson, and you know, obviously he can shift
Speaker 1: on a diamond, do crazy stuff and run for huge yardage.
Speaker 1: But they found a way to get three or four
Speaker 1: people around him and collapse the pocket and make it
Speaker 1: life tough for him. It's not if Josh Allen could
Speaker 1: hit a pass. I mean, they were beat a ball
Speaker 1: in that day, and even quarter of their punts on
Speaker 1: the season came in that game. It even took Lamar.
Speaker 1: Those three touchdown throws were really good. It was like
Speaker 1: two was three because they barely It's one reason why
Speaker 1: Lamar is the m v P, I think by a
Speaker 1: decent amount right now, is like even the three touchdowns
Speaker 1: that he threw, they were not easy plays to complete.
Speaker 1: Like that took an extra special effort for him to
Speaker 1: get those three touchdowns. They could have been held to
Speaker 1: allow less. You know why Lamar has to be the
Speaker 1: m v P. He's going to break Vic's rushing record
Speaker 1: single season and lead the NFL and passing touchdowns. How
Speaker 1: can you give it to something about at this point
Speaker 1: and Russell Wilson just had a big loss and he's
Speaker 1: not been pristine over the last three weeks. A long
Speaker 1: time and I've seen some be able it is over
Speaker 1: It's like, all right, there's three it can happen, and
Speaker 1: a nice season closing test for my boy Donald. He's
Speaker 1: got at Ravens home, Steelers at Buffalo close out the year.
Speaker 1: So if he is indeed making progress, we would see
Speaker 1: it here. If he's kind of flat lined behind that
Speaker 1: offensive line against teams that get after quarterback, it could
Speaker 1: be trouble. If he's plateau. I shouldn't say flat line
Speaker 1: because he's coming off probably his worst game of the
Speaker 1: year against the Dolphins. So I'm hopeful, but he faces
Speaker 1: a challenge here. Um, all right, that's that before we
Speaker 1: go on, We're not that. I'm locking up the Ravens um.
Speaker 1: And the other thing I think is like does Adam
Speaker 1: Case get the most out of his players on offense?
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the thing that was It's a question
Speaker 1: that keeps you see it popping up, and I don't
Speaker 1: know if anyone's drawn that correlation yet, but keep an
Speaker 1: eye on only every fifteen minutes do we ask that question? Um?
Speaker 1: All right, Mark, you wrote a banker, didn't read it yet,
Speaker 1: just went up, but I planned to wrote about the Raiders.
Speaker 1: He wrote about the end of Oakland football in the
Speaker 1: NFL um and you talked, and you spoke to a
Speaker 1: lot of people connected with the organization and got a
Speaker 1: better idea of where the vibe is during this historic
Speaker 1: time in the organization. Yeah. Well among them Art Shell,
Speaker 1: Tim Brown, Fred blittnic Cough, Marcel Reese, Phil Villa Piano
Speaker 1: who is like a linebacker from ages old and you
Speaker 1: probably would recognize him from Old Raiders NFL films. But
Speaker 1: it was about the most interesting thirteen minute conversation I've
Speaker 1: ever had with the next football player. I always speaks,
Speaker 1: he speaks his mind. He was dropping f bombs. I mean,
Speaker 1: he was having fun. Had to be no like Amy
Speaker 1: Trash too. And she was awesome because you're getting people,
Speaker 1: no she was. She was very valuable because they're coming
Speaker 1: clear different angles here. Uh for me, because when you
Speaker 1: write these things and you can't and I don't handle
Speaker 1: them well, like I like just van it like I'm
Speaker 1: not really mentally aware. And it was really hard to
Speaker 1: do like preview shows where I'm trying to write this
Speaker 1: and do the game studying at the same time, and
Speaker 1: that probably showed, but it's I just got sucked in,
Speaker 1: don't yourself. You always yourself when we do that. But
Speaker 1: it's it's just because I I just became all consumed
Speaker 1: for like a forty eight hour period by a team that, like,
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever really felt the Raiders thing
Speaker 1: the way that I feel like I'm supposed to, where
Speaker 1: they drenched in lure and how of an how much
Speaker 1: of an underdog they were starting in the a f
Speaker 1: L and and toyed with bankruptcy that Ralph Wilson of
Speaker 1: the Bills had to like loan money to the early
Speaker 1: Oakland Raiders operation to save the essentially the entire NFL
Speaker 1: because they would have been down to seven teams. So
Speaker 1: all these little steps along the way, and then Al
Speaker 1: Davis shows up in a way that Bill Belichick would
Speaker 1: and is seen by some who were around is one
Speaker 1: of the finest NFL coaches in history. And I just
Speaker 1: little things that you're that I learned along the way
Speaker 1: sucked me into the Raiders experience and made me really
Speaker 1: fall for them hard for you know, during writing this,
Speaker 1: and it's like if you don't want to become married
Speaker 1: to what you're writing about, but it was impossible to
Speaker 1: not feel bad for the fans of Oakland because I
Speaker 1: think this move has been easier obviously than many others.
Speaker 1: But the people in Oakland specifically who have lost the
Speaker 1: Warriors and they're now losing this team that's been, you know,
Speaker 1: tied to their heart for so long is a tough
Speaker 1: one to swallow. And I get the Raiders travel well,
Speaker 1: and they're gonna go do what they do and they'll
Speaker 1: be fine in Vegas in a very different way. But
Speaker 1: I don't One thing Amy Trash mentioned that I thought
Speaker 1: was true was that you go to that Colosseum, which
Speaker 1: is its story of its own, it's like percent Raiders fans,
Speaker 1: and it's you and and and if you're a Chiefs
Speaker 1: fan and a Chiefs to your or is good luck
Speaker 1: to you and your family. But Vegas, Vegas is a
Speaker 1: different story. I think you're gonna get a lot of
Speaker 1: different types of people making that part of three day weekends.
Speaker 1: And and she made a point that it's there may
Speaker 1: be a paradigm shift. You cannot count on that percentage
Speaker 1: of Silver and Black loyalists in the crowd at that point.
Speaker 1: It reminds me a bit of Baltimore and their love
Speaker 1: affair with the Colts, and it was taken away from
Speaker 1: them where the Colts players like this was at a
Speaker 1: time in the fifties where they're living next door to
Speaker 1: fans interacting with them. See him in the bars. Raiders
Speaker 1: fans in the seventies. You might see them at a
Speaker 1: Altamont concert or something like that, dropping acid, you know,
Speaker 1: but that same kind of thing where you feel ingrained
Speaker 1: in the community like that, and just took ownership. The
Speaker 1: fans took ownership of that team. Check it out NFL
Speaker 1: dot com slash silver and black, Silver and black, and
Speaker 1: there's already reverberations here. The Raiders just announced that they've
Speaker 1: waived the following players, Preston Brown, Threll McClain, and DJ Sweringer.
Speaker 1: Maybe not because they didn't read your long for him.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's maybe that's something for those players. I mean,
Speaker 1: it just went up. It would be weird, but check
Speaker 1: it out. Mark. I know you put a lot of
Speaker 1: effort into it, and your journey just begins because now
Speaker 1: this weekend you're traveling up there to the Black Hole,
Speaker 1: UH to be there for the final home game. And
Speaker 1: it will be the final home game because that's six
Speaker 1: and seven. You know they didn't winning the division. There
Speaker 1: will be no home playoff game. This is the end
Speaker 1: of the road. Good stuff, Mark, all right, we will
Speaker 1: be back together again on Thursday. Uh, previewing all the
Speaker 1: week fifteen games, including the game. Mark will be covering
Speaker 1: Raiders against Titans. Oh, that's a good one. To Raiders
Speaker 1: against Jaguars not so good, but you'll get a w
Speaker 1: out of it. Oh, the Manchuvians will be out. Now.
Speaker 1: Will you wear your Minshew jury is no, I will
Speaker 1: definitely you wearing a Gardner Minshew jersey. And that's and
Speaker 1: after they get yeah, you're not gonna you can't. You
Speaker 1: can't go try to talk to the Minshew mania, the Minshew. No,
Speaker 1: he's not the center the focus of this. Imagine you're
Speaker 1: wearing a Minshew jersey and the Raiders lose one in
Speaker 1: overtime and you just start asking about the end of
Speaker 1: Raider's football in Oakland. A terrible way to go about
Speaker 1: one's job. But you will be just so everybody knows.
Speaker 1: Mark won't be here for the Sunday recap because he'll
Speaker 1: be busy working and writing uh and hopefully still be
Speaker 1: alive after that event. Um, but you will be drafting
Speaker 1: on behalf of others who will be filling in for you,
Speaker 1: and there is a specific strategy that I will be
Speaker 1: employing a little cliffhanger there by, Mark Sessler, all right,
Speaker 1: let us go. Is Dan Hanson signing off four quiet Storm,
Speaker 1: NFL dot Com, Slash Silver and Black, the Old Boss,
Speaker 1: and Ricky Hollywood hang in there, Darling. Thank you. On Thursday,