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Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast? Do you want to go bowling?

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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast,

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Speaker 1: presented by the United States Marine Corps. My name is

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Speaker 1: Dan Hansas. I'm joining in a room that is built

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Speaker 1: with heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Westling, and Greg Rosenhalt. What

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Speaker 1: is up? Boys? Hey? Dan? Do you want to hear

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Speaker 1: something gross? Maybe Deerka? How are you right now? Are

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Speaker 1: you kidding me? I'm good. How you feeling good? You

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Speaker 1: want to hear something gross? You look beautiful? Thank you?

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Speaker 1: I look exactly how I feel. Um. Erica a little

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Speaker 1: under the weather, but she's here, and I mean, that's

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Speaker 1: that's what it's about. I mean, the season begins after Thanksgiving,

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Speaker 1: which means no days off, and you grind and you

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Speaker 1: play through injuries. Yeah, it's in stark contrast to when

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Speaker 1: Erica went to Spain smacked up in the middle of

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Speaker 1: the campaign. But that's that's what I'm saying. You're that's growth,

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Speaker 1: You're growing? Yeah, or or um or where did I

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Speaker 1: go Scotland? Scotland and Ireland for a free agency? I

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Speaker 1: mean that was that was well played. But in Erica's defense,

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Speaker 1: the season had not started yet because I thought we

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Speaker 1: proved that's only if you're trying to win the Super Bowl, right.

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Speaker 1: It started in late July, and this is officially week

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Speaker 1: one of twenty eight weeks eight to go. Um. As

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Speaker 1: we got upstairs, there was a Spanish language podcast running

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Speaker 1: along which you know, it's happened, it happens. We just

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Speaker 1: had never seen it before. That's never happened. Yeah, the

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Speaker 1: trend Zone, which they seemed to be having a great

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Speaker 1: amount of fun. It did make me think of, you

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Speaker 1: know how with the The Office as an example, which

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Speaker 1: started in the UK, of course came to the US,

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Speaker 1: and now there's different offices. Uh, programs all over the

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Speaker 1: world in different languages. Maybe that will be US one day,

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Speaker 1: Maybe we will have spinoffs all across the globe will

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Speaker 1: be a global podcast. Mark did note that they had

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Speaker 1: their own version of Dan Hansis on this podcast. I

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Speaker 1: like that guy. He had a beautiful head of what

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Speaker 1: I believe it was a wig, but of hair. And

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Speaker 1: you guys left. I'm not that far away from just

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Speaker 1: wearing sunglasses at all times. No, he had you guys

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Speaker 1: the guys sitting right in my seat. Uh, we met

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Speaker 1: the other two, but I didn't meet him, so I

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Speaker 1: don't know his name. Uh had made a very fiery

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Speaker 1: point that I felt spiritually connected with. We're just playing

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Speaker 1: the same role. Is he is he troubled as well?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. He seemed a little bit upset though,

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Speaker 1: you know I that you hear that on on studio shows.

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Speaker 1: You want to put the fiery guys on the edges

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Speaker 1: the ends. They put much you know, mooch with the sweaters.

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Speaker 1: He's in the middle, you know, calm presence, and then

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Speaker 1: Irvan just fire on the edges and the guys sitting

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Speaker 1: actually in your seat Dan at the end of the show,

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Speaker 1: and Eric was just it was raising a Jets jersey

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Speaker 1: and they were all singing J E T S. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I that's that. I could decide that what else they

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Speaker 1: And I reached out and that's just like you as

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Speaker 1: and I reached out to Henry Hodson, vice president of

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Speaker 1: International on our um instant messenger client. I just want

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Speaker 1: to make sure I had the show correct him a

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Speaker 1: little plug trend zone. He responds, correct, be nice to them, please,

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Speaker 1: not another international hating bit? Right, Well, yeah, and have

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Speaker 1: you done that? I wouldn't consider hating more like baiting. Yeah, like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: international baiting. I think I know who. That's what Dan

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Speaker 1: specializes in. Talking about Mobo Henry, he's still upset about

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Speaker 1: keeping up a bow ringer bit, which you know, speaking

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Speaker 1: of which we have to get to that. See what

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Speaker 1: he's up to as he enters his age thirty seven season. Um, alright,

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Speaker 1: he's gonna kill me, um, big show he just wrote,

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Speaker 1: which is a nice little way to wrap up that

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Speaker 1: instant messenger conversation with a little I love Henry, he

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Speaker 1: loves me. All right, Well, let us um get to

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Speaker 1: today's show. A lot to get to um news, including

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, another Patriots scandal. Oh, spy gate two spy

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Speaker 1: harder this time it sticks, legacies destroyed, It's real, it's

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Speaker 1: We'll get into it. Also, I'm just enjoying this. Will

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Speaker 1: Since they at the League Shadowy Figures is like, no

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Speaker 1: matter what, you gotta play this straight down the line.

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Speaker 1: Bye bye. But bring it back a fun segment. What

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Speaker 1: you people don't realize, Uh, talking about an NFL team, coach,

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Speaker 1: player subplot in the league right now, and you know,

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Speaker 1: would know that mall to challenge to challenge and that

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Speaker 1: they would have to rap since Sunday. That's why we're professionals. Greg,

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Speaker 1: Thursday Night Football Preview. I'm a little worried about this one.

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Speaker 1: The Jets traveling to Baltimore to face the Ravens. What

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Speaker 1: story about? No expectations at least the only the only

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Speaker 1: thing I got going going for me is that Lamar

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Speaker 1: there was one last game in Week fourteen, and it

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Speaker 1: the Eiggles. Whence first w Philly, all right, Monday Night Football,

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Speaker 1: that was the ESPN call by Joe Testa tour, Carson

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Speaker 1: Wentz zach Ertz connect on a game tying touchdown pass

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Speaker 1: a real scare for the Eagles who survived over Eli

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Speaker 1: And uh, I think I'll remember this as the game

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Speaker 1: because I mean Miles Sanders hasn't been a problem. They're

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Speaker 1: entire INFF has been a bad season. I mean, they're

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Speaker 1: I like Carson Wentz while I've always liked him, because

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Speaker 1: they really didn't have anything around him. You had Earth's

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Speaker 1: the four years that has really kind of you know,

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Speaker 1: Eagles fans out there remembering his m v P level

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Speaker 1: being televised for people to observe. But Carson Wentz, you know,

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Speaker 1: part of it is he's never had this full season.

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Speaker 1: He's he's dealt with so much that you forget he's young.

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Speaker 1: Still in the environment around a young quarterback matters. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he definitely had more productive and more visually appealing games

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Speaker 1: need the footage for a team show. Oh and my

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Speaker 1: reading on this situation is that Belichick is innocent and

427
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,639
Speaker 1: it's just coincidence in irony that this happened. I think

428
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 1: there's freelance of videographers involved. I think if you work

429
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 1: in a big corporation or a big building like ours,

430
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:42,680
Speaker 1: you know that what's going on in the second floor

431
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,920
Speaker 1: for a TV show has absolutely nothing to do with

432
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 1: what's going on in other parts of the building. And

433
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,399
Speaker 1: that's my reading on the situation. This is just an

434
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,160
Speaker 1: unfortunate coincidence. I thought you were down the pale list.

435
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,639
Speaker 1: I thought you were gonna say it was ironic because

436
00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:01,160
Speaker 1: it was the Bengals. It was ironic because there's no

437
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 1: coach or figure I would say in NFL history that

438
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick reveres more than Paul Brown. And there is

439
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 1: no coach in NFL history. And really that era where

440
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 1: there was such paranoia about Paul Brown, about a few

441
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,399
Speaker 1: different you know, coaches, George Allen would certainly be in

442
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 1: that mix Al Davis where they all always thought they

443
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 1: were spying on each other. They always all thought that,

444
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 1: like they were trying to get extra edges by doing

445
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,680
Speaker 1: little thing, and nothing was ever proven. But Paul Brown,

446
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:37,920
Speaker 1: especially who modernized, uh the NFL, and you know eventually uh,

447
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 1: you know, owned the Browns. You know, he he was

448
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 1: kind of a guy that people had their suspicions about.

449
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 1: So I thought, I thought, that's where you're going with

450
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 1: the Iron case in case you're just joining us Spygate too,

451
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 1: Return of the Gate. The Patriots under siege of dynasty

452
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 1: in shambles, and we're speaking right now. The Patriots KR

453
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 1: flack Greg Rosenthal, who says he has too much respect

454
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick to ever cheat on the Bengals, go on, Greg, No,

455
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 1: I would never say that. I don't have you gonna

456
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 1: have to be insanely stupid and reckless to be the

457
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 1: Patriots and try to videotape. To be honest, I agree

458
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 1: with you. But when they according to Paul Denner Junior,

459
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 1: the Athletic right, the report that came out this morning,

460
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:23,880
Speaker 1: this is where I get caught up a little bit.

461
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to spin it somewhere evil or

462
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:30,160
Speaker 1: anything either. I real quick. Mark mask the Washington Post

463
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,159
Speaker 1: reported before we came up here that severe sanctions are

464
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 1: unlikely for the Patriots from where we stand right now, Yeah,

465
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 1: Ian said they the league is inclined to believe the

466
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 1: Patriots intentions on the video taming. That doesn't mean there

467
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 1: won't be a penalty either. And we'll see where we

468
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,959
Speaker 1: are twenty four hours now. But in that report by

469
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 1: Paul Denner, if I want to see the footage of

470
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 1: over the shoulder of yeah, well, they've looked at it

471
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 1: according to these sources that it's not some sort of uh,

472
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 1: you know, flighty documentary where you're looking at the advanced

473
00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:01,399
Speaker 1: scout typing and do it right? It is. There are people,

474
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 1: according to sources in this report who have viewed the tape.

475
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 1: It shows about eight minutes of footage focusing on recording

476
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 1: the Bengals sideline. It's a direct view of the sideline

477
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 1: as players run on and off the field and coaches

478
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 1: make signals for plays. Does that sound like a playful

479
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 1: do your job documentary about a advanced scout where you

480
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: would want to have him in the picture. You'd want

481
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: close ups of him. How does he do his job?

482
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,440
Speaker 1: Why are we why is there? If it was eighteen seconds,

483
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:30,640
Speaker 1: that's different eight under uninterrupted minutes of the sideline raises

484
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 1: suspicions from a team that's done this before. At least

485
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,640
Speaker 1: the tapes the best, the best thing, and I feel

486
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 1: I'm actually surprised that you guys are so just throwing

487
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 1: it totally out. I don't really have I'm not a

488
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,639
Speaker 1: big now I mean West and Dan a big opinion

489
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 1: one or one way or another yet because it's like,

490
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,959
Speaker 1: who the hell knows? People come on TV with like

491
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 1: super hot takes about everything when like whatever you want

492
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,719
Speaker 1: to throw down on something, you just say, who the

493
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: hell knows, But we're trying to break down you're a

494
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: stronger opinion that then I would even that that you

495
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: would throw it out, that it's that it's all I'm not.

496
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 1: I want this investigated more than I ever wanted the

497
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: uh slightly under inflated football invest Now, my my question

498
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 1: was was what do what would you gain? What do

499
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 1: you get from looking at the sidelines and people people

500
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 1: have talked about well, of course they're not actually calling

501
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: the plays on the sideline anymore, but maybe there's some

502
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: little things with like personnel groupings, and then other X

503
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 1: players say, well, you can figure all that out and

504
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: then you send that Ernie Adams so he can dissect it,

505
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 1: you know, the man behind the curtain. My my thought

506
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: was more at the other end, like I, I don't know,

507
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 1: isn't this stuff it's so it's tiring, like just because

508
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:49,159
Speaker 1: I grew up in Massachusetts, I don't know. I don't know.

509
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: I don't have any like connection to like wanting to

510
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 1: defend anything the Patriots do in general, but tiring as in,

511
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: if something's been wrong, we were too tired to look

512
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: into it. No, not that more like no, more like

513
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 1: when stories come up like this, it's like, Okay, we

514
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,919
Speaker 1: gotta take sides, like here's the If you're inclined to

515
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 1: believe in conspiracies, then those are there's that side. And

516
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,679
Speaker 1: then if you're a Patriots fan, you have to have

517
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,719
Speaker 1: your talking points. And I definitely problem I don't have.

518
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 1: That feels to me like it's a little dismissive of

519
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 1: people caring or why all I'm saying I think West

520
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 1: is too is what I'm reading what they put out,

521
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 1: and we're again we're still learning. It to me, sparks

522
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 1: the concept of wanting to investigate further. I don't take

523
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: about it. The thing they have working for them. I

524
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 1: would say the Patriots is just a I guess like

525
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: the defense of like, if we were that stupid, why

526
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: would we do it in literally in the seat in

527
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 1: front of a Bengal It feels weird that a seat

528
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: in front of the Bengals employee. And then also, you know,

529
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: if you remember well, with with spy gate and with

530
00:28:53,480 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 1: the with the um deflate gate, the messaging was a

531
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: little delayed. It wasn't as clear. It wasn't as we're

532
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: gonna give you all the evidence in the world, whereas

533
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: this one they came out swinging immediately, as you know,

534
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: as at least giving the response that you would hope

535
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: or expect someone that actually didn't do anything wrong to make,

536
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 1: which is they came out hard right away. Belichick talked,

537
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: They released a huge statement, They gave the tape right

538
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 1: away to the NFL or whatever, and they said it's

539
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: in it's in their hands, so that that's on their side.

540
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 1: I don't know, though, I wouldn't put you know, who

541
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: the hell knows. I would categorize it as a destabilizing

542
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: or might the Patriots really need a rallying cry once again?

543
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 1: Right we try to use this. I'm sure, Yeah. My

544
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: thing is more like I don't know, it's just in

545
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: the scheme of things, and I am I gonna keep

546
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 1: getting worked up about stuff like this emotionally, what whether

547
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: it's the Patriots or anything else NFL related, when yes,

548
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: we take football very seriously, like we love talking about

549
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 1: the game and stuff, but like controversies like this, it's

550
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: hard to like get too worked up about when we're

551
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: talking about like real things going on in the world

552
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 1: or even real things going on in the NFL. You're

553
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 1: you're minimizing it. And in the grand scheme, of course,

554
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: it's not as big a deal as what's going on

555
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: in the world politics, you know, crime, things like that,

556
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: but it's still something that deserves to be looked at.

557
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: And I'll say this even if it was an innocent mistake.

558
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: And that's really again where I kind of come down,

559
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: and it is way too brazen for them to actually,

560
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: I think, be attempting to do this kind of stuff again.

561
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 1: But at the same time, first, an organization that's is

562
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: well run as this to not have the awareness that

563
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 1: if you're the Patriots, don't don't even do that. Somebody

564
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 1: should be talking to that video team, like listen we

565
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 1: were involved in the biggest like cheating scandal of the

566
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: last twenty years in sports, maybe we should not even

567
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: go down that road. But to me, that doesn't mean

568
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: that they are evil cheaters in this case, just maybe

569
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: there wasn't. If I'm hiring and someone inside a company

570
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: to create a engaging three or four minute piece about

571
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: an employee and doing their job, right, I don't understand

572
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 1: where the technical concept is. Here's how we're gonna make

573
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 1: this engaging. We're going to film the sideline for eight

574
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: straight minutes without moving the camera. That's a question that

575
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: needs to be answered, all right, when we will continue

576
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: to track this story as we must as journalists, as

577
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 1: the gatekeepers, I'm glad you're on the case. We're all

578
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: on this. Will run interference because he does. I'm all

579
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: about it, Spy Gate two. Keep all right, keeps fine.

580
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: Let's move on, UH, Let's move on. The NFL is

581
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: planning a quote top down review of officiating UH in

582
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 1: the off season. This from our own Judy Batista. The

583
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: review will include examining who should be in charge of

584
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: replay reviews at the officiating command center. UM. Obviously has

585
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: been a difficult season UH for the officials and the

586
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: especially the enactment of the past interference review rule, which

587
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: we've kind of covered exhaustively throughout this season. Right now.

588
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: The head of the whole thing, of course, is Senior

589
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: Vice President of Officiating Al river Iron. But this certainly

590
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: doesn't sound west like very good news for Al well.

591
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: This has been bungled at every step along the way,

592
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: starting with the German nation of the idea in the

593
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: first place. In the Competition Committee, which I used to

594
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: believe was by far the best in all of sports,

595
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: is on a losing streak for a few years now.

596
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: And this this idea that we can change rules over

597
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: the course of the season depending on what we want

598
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: emphasized that week or that month, messes with the integrity

599
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 1: of the game. It needs to stop. It's been a

600
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: trend for the last couple of years, and you need

601
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: to have your rules in place by week one and

602
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: have those was in place the entire season. I just

603
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: I've lost some faith in what's going on with the

604
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: rules in the NFL. I I have to a lesser degree,

605
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: partly because I feel like, no matter what happens, everyone's

606
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: going to be complaining. So it hurt it, Like I

607
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: don't know what to do with that, and on some

608
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: level it's starts. It's just bores me, if only because

609
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: there's so much we don't know about everything that goes

610
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: into anything. No, no, no, there's so much that we

611
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: don't go that goes onto every play and every player

612
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: and everything else that interests me in the NFL. But

613
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: I hear so much about a fishing from so many

614
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: smart people all the time, and it's all very similar

615
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: points that it's like, I get it, but I guess

616
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: I don't know what else you can do. How can

617
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: you start with that call at Green Bay in Week

618
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: three with Philadelphia where it was clear and obvious, and

619
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: then go two months not call anything, and then in

620
00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: week fourteen hand a game to a team based on

621
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: a call that wasn't as clear and obvious as some

622
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: of the other ones. The Dolphins Jets game was handed

623
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: to the team. Well, I think we've found out that

624
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: it was going to be a problem in our summit

625
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,959
Speaker 1: with all of the other um you know, on air

626
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: people where it was so obvious. When Al Riveron was

627
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,919
Speaker 1: pointing out which plays were clear and obvious and which

628
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 1: ones weren't, half the audience disagreed. With them on every call,

629
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: so we knew then, So I I get that in

630
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: their mind west Obviously they're not trying to confuse people

631
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 1: like they they think it is clear and obvious and no, no, no,

632
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 1: no, no no, no, no, no, you're covering for them. They

633
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 1: have deep I'm saying they were back in back definition

634
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 1: the emphasis during the season. And you know this because

635
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 1: all of the talking head referees on all the TV

636
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 1: shows in week in week thirteen came out with talking

637
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: points saying, hey, this is changing now every single one

638
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: of the three weeks on the first time they threw

639
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: to those analysts. But here's the thing. I think it's

640
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: at least can we for the most I would say

641
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: it's better right now they've corrected about I can think

642
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 1: of six or seven very obvious calls, and then there's

643
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: been a couple of where I side with Greg on

644
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: the on that I just don't know how you fix it.

645
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: Where it's the hundred year of the NFL and you

646
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: go back eighty years. People didn't like officials then you

647
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,959
Speaker 1: could shout at them, but the officials had authority because

648
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: there were no other eyes, there was no technology. Has

649
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,240
Speaker 1: turned this into a total debacle because we can see

650
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 1: much better than the officials. We have eighty angles and

651
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: then they have been stripped of their on field authority.

652
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: The problem, the problem here is that Ron Rivera al

653
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: Vera river Ron excuse me, is saying he's coming out

654
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: telling a pool reporter on Sunday it is not being

655
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 1: applied any differently than it was at the beginning of

656
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 1: the year. And then here here's some data right here,

657
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: and this is from um Andrew Siciliano in the NFL

658
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:01,399
Speaker 1: Now team from weeks one to ten, and ten out

659
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,479
Speaker 1: of sixty five p I challenges were reversed fifteen port

660
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,879
Speaker 1: fifteen point four percent. From weeks eleven through four teen,

661
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: it's been ten out of forty point four percent. There

662
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,919
Speaker 1: has been a change. Now it's a small sample size,

663
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,919
Speaker 1: and there's been more of those where they call in

664
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: and change it on their own. And that's happened. And

665
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: here's the thing. And you brought up the Jets staffins West.

666
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 1: They got they got the call right because it was

667
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 1: past interference by by the law. But however, why why

668
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,240
Speaker 1: it doesn't work? And even though yes, I agree with you, Greg,

669
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: and I agree with you Mark that at least they're

670
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,439
Speaker 1: kind of at least making the rule worth a damn Now,

671
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 1: you just cannot change a rule in the middle of

672
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 1: a season, just like you can't change rules in the

673
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: middle of a game. You have to have one guiding

674
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: guiding principles for how you're going to force something. It's

675
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: got to stick through the whole season before you change it,

676
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 1: didn't We see something very similar last season when it

677
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: came to roughing the passer, the all the the stuff

678
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: that was going on with Claim Matthews and all of

679
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 1: a sudden that kind of dried up as they have

680
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: to get to get out of this habit and maybe

681
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: it isn't come down with the helmet, the leading with

682
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 1: the helmet. Remember we spent a whole offseason talking about

683
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: the leading with the helmet? Uh rule, Like, how can

684
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: running backs even survive in today's NFL? Is like Michael

685
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: Robinson and Morays Jones, you're standing up for the running

686
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: bad rights of running back. I think they've called that

687
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: penalty four times in the three years since it was

688
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 1: it was the Brown's running back. They named it after him.

689
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:28,399
Speaker 1: Who was it? It was that when you can't put

690
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: your head down. I don't feel like they had a

691
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: running back before showed up. So Peyton hillis Hill was uh, oh,

692
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,359
Speaker 1: well it doesn't matter, um, all right, I was kind

693
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 1: of half paying attention during the summit, so that might

694
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 1: be the reason I can't come up at the name.

695
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: All right, Let's move on, uh and deal with the

696
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: lighter side of sports. Lost seasons, bad things happened to teams,

697
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 1: and stupid stories pop up around bad teams at the

698
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: end of seasons. Leavy On Bell, Uh, he came down

699
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: with a flu bug last week. And usually when a

700
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: player it's sick and you you hear about it, uh,

701
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: you know, heading into the weekend of the game, he

702
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 1: ends up suiting up. But when it comes to this

703
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: Jets team in this Jet season, Bell actually gets shut down.

704
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 1: He's not playing, Okay, the Jets win without him. In fact,

705
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 1: Billy Powell sets the team uh high for rushing yards

706
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:22,919
Speaker 1: in the game with seventy four yards. So that tells

707
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: you a lot about lavy On Bell season with the Jets. Anyway,

708
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 1: Saturday night, while the Jets are at a hotel prepping

709
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,240
Speaker 1: for the Dolphins, Bell was spotted at a New Jersey

710
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: bowling alley, hours after the Jets had ruled him out

711
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 1: of the week fourteen game. Uh with the illness now here.

712
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: The setup to this is that you kind of knew

713
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:46,240
Speaker 1: when they come to Adam Gaze today what he's gonna say,

714
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 1: which is, well, we don't really we didn't. He wasn't

715
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: supposed to be with the team, So we're because he

716
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: was contagious, and we've heard about the flu bug going

717
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 1: around the NFL the last couple of weeks. However, it's

718
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,760
Speaker 1: obviously not a great look. And here is what Adam

719
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: Gays had to say about Levy on Bell. That's not

720
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 1: I mean, that wasn't his fault that we said that

721
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: he was still contagious. That's what That's what the doctors

722
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:14,399
Speaker 1: told him. I'd rather not be at homes getting better.

723
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: I can't tell him this. You have to stay in

724
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 1: your houts. Oh my gosh. Gaye seems so uh so miserable,

725
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 1: but maybe this breaking news will cheer him up. Lebyan

726
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: Bell has revealed he bowled a two fifty one on

727
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: Saturday night, his best score ever. He had the flu

728
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 1: game he can fight through injury, career high. He also

729
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,399
Speaker 1: said doctors told him to get out of the house

730
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: and get moving, which feels like a convenient excuse I've

731
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 1: you know, I'm really upset that he's just throwing the

732
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: Jets money away and disrespecting them versus left Bell and

733
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: a bowling count. To me, it's the best thing he's

734
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: done all year in an athletic pursuit. I'm proud of him.

735
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,240
Speaker 1: I mean, he skips the game. What kind of teammate

736
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 1: is that? Anyways? Are you trying to get even for

737
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: the Patriots stuff? That's where it was more like stories

738
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 1: New York impression of like a New York sports talk

739
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 1: show host who's more likely to be a Jet in

740
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: two thousand twenty, Love Bell or Adam Gates. That's a

741
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: tight horse. I think I would say Adam Gaze only

742
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 1: because we know he has or we've heard that he

743
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 1: has ownership support. Whereas the head coach never wanted leavy

744
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 1: On Bell in the first place, and now he's delivered

745
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 1: a season where he's done almost nothing. I imagine the

746
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 1: well other than the two is very good, and Adam

747
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 1: Gases has some history of taking what should be good

748
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 1: running backs and minimizing their abilities. I don't think that

749
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: it's all on love Bell. Do you have a terrible

750
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: offensive line? Well, come get him, Come get leave Bell

751
00:40:57,880 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 1: was you'll get the guy. You'll get the guy that

752
00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 1: was on the Steelers. If that's indeed true, Charlie Castle said,

753
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 1: Billy Powell is you know, they're better off with Billy

754
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: Powell because Billy Powell just runs, goes for it, and

755
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: Bell's style doesn't necessarily work with such a bad offensive line.

756
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 1: His contract makes him essentially impossible to cut, although everything

757
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 1: that would have to be Actually they could just do it,

758
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: because could just eat it if they want, but it

759
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 1: just as ridiculously stupid. Won't eat it though, because as

760
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: bad as he has been this year, there are you

761
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: could point to reasons why it hasn't worked out. And

762
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 1: also this is the first instance where he's kind of

763
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: been uh painted or looked poor as a teammate. He's

764
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 1: been pretty good soldier overall. But I think they will.

765
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 1: I think they'll move him in a trade and they

766
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:43,919
Speaker 1: might not get a lot of value back, but they'll

767
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: get the money off the books and a team will

768
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 1: think they can get GM also had nothing to do

769
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 1: with that. I will say bowling is about as overrated

770
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 1: of an activity as you can find in America. I

771
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 1: think it's one of the great underrated parlor games. Well,

772
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: you hate all parlor games. I sam a parlor game.

773
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: You like ba I like bowling more than other parlor games.

774
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: I just think it's overrated, as like, remember when anyone

775
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 1: can play it. Remember the superl we all bowling and

776
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: the old juser bowled like a fifty three on his

777
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: first try. So he was over in the next lane

778
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 1: practicing while we were got about that. That That was in

779
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: the York Bell. By the way, the oil wasn't right

780
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: on that lane. He's guaranteed thirteen million dollars next year.

781
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 1: No one's trading for him unless the Jets offered to

782
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 1: pay like half that money, which doesn't even like just

783
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 1: bring him back. He's fine, he's not their biggest teams

784
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: were he generated interest at the trade deadline. All right,

785
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 1: I'll put a sandwich out there that he's not on

786
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 1: the Jets next year. But I'll take you just for

787
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 1: the sake of it, but a sport. I kind of

788
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,879
Speaker 1: say it like that throwed on the board. I think

789
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 1: there's a better chance. I think there's a better chance

790
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: cases gone that one's still on my radar. So unhappy. Well,

791
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: if Matt rule, well they didn't they want to hire

792
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: Matt Rule, the Baylor coach, and he basically said no,

793
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 1: they wouldn't allow him to hire his own staff, which

794
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: is ridiculous. I didn't have experience, so they hired anyway. Um,

795
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: what is your best bowling score ever? I'd say about

796
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 1: one I lost to. I'm not saying this as this

797
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 1: is true. I lost to a child once when I

798
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 1: was an adult, and I am not a good bowler.

799
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 1: That may have something to do with the triple digits.

800
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 1: I think I got one like one time, but I

801
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: never got anywhere near that. Usually my highest right around

802
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: to one seventy. And it's a great disappointment because Keith

803
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:43,280
Speaker 1: Hansas average is about My dad averaged about one seventy something. Yeah,

804
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 1: and uh, and you know, I I believe I let

805
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,399
Speaker 1: him down. Now. I've always told my dad, I said, Dad,

806
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: you know you could have helped me. You could have.

807
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:52,879
Speaker 1: You've taught you taught me so many things in life

808
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 1: about how to be a man, how to be a

809
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 1: ball player, how to treat people, how to treat family,

810
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: but you never taught me how to bowl. And I've

811
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:05,240
Speaker 1: always held that against Pop. I mean, and he knows that. Wow,

812
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: and it's not too late that against Dad's coming, Dad's

813
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: coming for Christmas this year, And maybe we gotta say

814
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: that's a game that you can play your whole life.

815
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not too late in his just in

816
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 1: your prime. Now. It has a bit on you to

817
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 1: practice some Yeah, in his defense, it does kind of

818
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: feel like one of those sports you can let me

819
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 1: just figure it out. I guess, I guess I never

820
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:31,399
Speaker 1: really practiced it well, although I guess. Yeah, the whole

821
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 1: spin and all that stuff. Yeah, become a bowl Actually

822
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,399
Speaker 1: good for my buddy Bob have talked about bowling. There's

823
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 1: some good Hang up the spikes and become put on

824
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 1: the old bowling shoes, put on the clown shoes, the

825
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 1: big alley sport. All right, let's uh, let's move on. Oh,

826
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 1: let's head to the kicker club. Oh yes, yeah, I

827
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 1: did some good news after that left bell drop. The

828
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: good news is somebody lost his job. Yeah, Baby, Brett

829
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 1: Marr is out as the Cowboys kicker. And when somebody's out,

830
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 1: somebody's got to come in. And guess who's coming in

831
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: Kai for bath Baby. It's a good day for the

832
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 1: Kai Boys to save the Cowboys season. This is exactly

833
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: the situation I wanted. I hated the New England page.

834
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: Ki Boys, Is that what you said? Yeah? Where the

835
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: Ki Boys? Ballast Kiboys. It's a new fan club. Yeah,

836
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 1: it's a it's a fan club we got. Let's go

837
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:24,240
Speaker 1: over and again. We have the Kai Boys, the Blow Hearts,

838
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: Blow Hearts struggling right now, the Bohemians dealing with the

839
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: Lions Star are we missing anyone? Do you still that

840
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 1: the ben Chuvians? I mean, I didn't know it has

841
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 1: been Chuvia. I would see if you have everyone we

842
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,439
Speaker 1: just mentioned. That's the fan club that has the best

843
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 1: shot of thriving a year from now. I just heard

844
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 1: the numbers are down recently. Stair Weather fans in there

845
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: like a fifteenth century cult. It's it's personal anyway. Good

846
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: spot for Kai here because he joins the first place team,

847
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:58,479
Speaker 1: a team that's on TV all the time that people

848
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 1: are gonna pay attention to. That um he has a

849
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 1: chance to really get his career back on track. Or

850
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 1: you could view it as a ship that's suddenly been

851
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 1: turned on fire in the middle of the water and

852
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 1: maybe sunk three weeks from now, and he could be

853
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 1: gone in a week. And isn't that the life of

854
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 1: a kicker in general. It is I mean, it's a

855
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 1: great opportunity indoors what I'm saying, big spots, you know,

856
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: playing for a team that laid down like dogs in

857
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 1: their last game. And another kicker. News out of Vintieri

858
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 1: UH is undergoing season ending knee surgery, ending his disappointing

859
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 1: UH and ugly NFL season with the Cults. He came

860
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: out today, I believe, and said he wished you what

861
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 1: he got the surgery before the season. And you know

862
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 1: what that means. He ain't ready to quit. That means

863
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 1: that is that has all the ear marks as long

864
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 1: as the leg in cooperates with him in the rehab

865
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: of a guy that wants to come back and prove

866
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: to everyone. The only reason he was bad this year

867
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 1: is not because he was finished. It's because he was

868
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: never physically right. He wants to leave the door open.

869
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: He's turned, did he not? According to Pro Football Reference,

870
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 1: he's also known as Automatic Adam, Iceman, or Vinny. Where

871
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 1: do they get these? I wrote an article once on

872
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: our website about the strangest nicknames, and I think Vinny

873
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 1: might have been one that got a little Who's ever

874
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:14,879
Speaker 1: called him automatic Adam? That would ever called him any

875
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: of those things. Peyton Manning can wait till the last

876
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 1: year of his career to be called the sheriff and

877
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 1: its sticks, and he will. I guess they're just gonna

878
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 1: rubber standing for the Hall of Fame. It is very

879
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:31,359
Speaker 1: strange how kicking has two. It's less, it's just no

880
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 1: position it has more. Obviously, obviously every position is changed,

881
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: but it's it's no more clear because kicking is the

882
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,879
Speaker 1: exact same basically now as it was back then. Jon

883
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: Stan Rude the only kicker in the NFL Hall of

884
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 1: Fame Morton went into but Yon Standard for a long

885
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,800
Speaker 1: time was the only kicker had the exact same career

886
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 1: field goal percentage as Brett mar did this season for

887
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. That's how much kicking has changed. Like if

888
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 1: you hit two thirds of year kicks, now you get

889
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:07,399
Speaker 1: replaced by Kai freaking for Bath. Back then they you're

890
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: the best kicker of all time. That's how you know

891
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,919
Speaker 1: sports are so much better. The athletes are so much better.

892
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: Because anything you can track, like track and field, anything

893
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 1: with a clock or anything that's measured, people blow away

894
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: the records. I mean it's not even a contest. Some

895
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: more Pro Football Focus weird names Pro Football Reference. I

896
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 1: should say Tom Brady the Pharaoh? What is? I think

897
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 1: they're like dot Com it's right there. But Atavinitary Automatic,

898
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: Adam or Iceman, J. J. Watt the Milkman or JJ Swat. Okay,

899
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 1: I've heard Swat. You've heard that one. How about another

900
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 1: one for Tom Brady is sir? What? How about Eric

901
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 1: Berry is the fifth dimension? How about Eric Berry is

902
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: out of the league? What is happening about? Is Eric

903
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 1: Barry out of the league? How about Patrick Mahomes the musician,

904
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:03,359
Speaker 1: Fat Trick or the gun sling here former has an

905
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,439
Speaker 1: autobiography or a biography called the guns Singer? This already taken?

906
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: What is Pro Football Reference? A rather serious reached out

907
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 1: to them. They they stated that it's sometimes something they

908
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:17,839
Speaker 1: pick up or someone mails into them and they don't

909
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 1: vet it too hard. It's kind of like a fun

910
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 1: little thing, but there's always something behind it. It's just

911
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 1: it's not made up. Mitch Drobisky, Mr Biscuit, what yeah,

912
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 1: I'll send this link out? This is that was? That

913
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 1: was a good one, um stale Biscuit? Alright, ouch, you

914
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 1: actually picked a good Thursday night game to miss. There

915
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 1: we talked about it on the show. Yeah, no, that

916
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 1: was Bisky raising back from that. I mean, I got

917
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: jets Ravens, so I'm not sure that I didn't. It

918
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 1: wasn't the World of Trading assets, and I'm sure Twitter

919
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 1: by this point Astrobisky over Kirk Cousins. I mean rankings,

920
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: because the only thing that matters is what happened in

921
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 1: the last I was the winner, though, and so the

922
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 1: listeners of the throwback podcast they were because I took over.

923
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 1: We act a little arcade. Fire Funeral is you know,

924
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: one of the most You're gonna have to top my

925
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 1: post TNF recap appearance on that show. That was a

926
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: disgusted teenage years mixtapes Mon Sessler Anthems and Chris Westling

927
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 1: is gonna come in with his wife very soon? Well maybe,

928
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 1: well you better doing Max drops and now we got

929
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: a problem. We'll see if we can get her in.

930
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 1: He's still coming to work, I think, yea. I know

931
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: it's tough being pregnant, though I've seen it. I've seen

932
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 1: my wife go through it. It's not easy being up late,

933
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 1: sitting in an uncomfortable chair in a garage. Well, maybe

934
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,839
Speaker 1: we get her earlier before it. You know, you don't

935
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 1: want you to get the second term, Erica third term.

936
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 1: You know how it gets really rough? Well, Keisha, why

937
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: what are you doing Erica digging yourself? Oh my god,

938
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 1: wait a minute, right, that will not make it all right? Um,

939
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 1: oh my god? Uh all right, that's that's what's happening

940
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 1: in the news. All right. Do we want to do

941
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 1: we have to do? We have time to do this segment.

942
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, we're fifty minutes into the show.

943
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 1: Do we want to just go to the really too

944
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 1: in the fact, how about one quick quick one? Alright,

945
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: one quick one each? What you people don't realize marks like,

946
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 1: there's no way I will try to be quick. Oh,

947
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 1: it's not outrageous. It's not outrageous. Do you want us

948
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: to start with you? I'll go first about that and

949
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:29,359
Speaker 1: get out of the way, and then you guys can

950
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 1: decide how quick you want to be after it's just marked.

951
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 1: What you people, that's this topical, that's the name of

952
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 1: this segment. Right, What you little snowflake wind bags don't

953
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 1: realize is that my previous prediction about backup quarterback Jared's

954
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 1: Stidham When you know home playoff game for the Patriots

955
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:49,399
Speaker 1: has been altered by the spiritual impact of these new

956
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:54,280
Speaker 1: paths videotaping issues. What you Lake Front Slappy's don't realize

957
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 1: is that New England's two thousand nineteen journey will end

958
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 1: like this with a titanic postseason why acting at home

959
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 1: by Mike Rabel and the Titans, Tom Brady will throw

960
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,359
Speaker 1: three first half picks and the Patriots will lose by

961
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,280
Speaker 1: twenty plus points and from of a melting down Gillette

962
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 1: Stadium with Bill Belichick suspended and out of the second

963
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 1: Have you noticed that every one of our segments turns

964
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:17,919
Speaker 1: into a wild Mark Sessler prediction? Now it doesn't matter

965
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 1: what the what the setup is. Well, this started as

966
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 1: what's more likely until about twenty minutes before the show. So,

967
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:27,240
Speaker 1: but with Bill Belichick suspended and out of the picture,

968
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 1: and with Josh McDaniels serving as fill in head coach,

969
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 1: and with Brady toiling amid whispers the team will not

970
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:36,760
Speaker 1: bring him back in from months after the loss, Brady

971
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 1: defiantly refuses to speak to anyone inside the organization and

972
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 1: winds up signing a one year monster contract with Brian

973
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:50,439
Speaker 1: Flores and the Miami Dolphins. What's more, likely. I don't

974
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 1: know what was the what's more likely that I'm curious, Well,

975
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 1: I had to read write it gives let's go, I

976
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 1: don't have I've raised all So what's more likely to

977
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 1: Brady's on the Dolphins next year? Or this is a

978
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 1: this is I'm telling you a scenario that happen. You

979
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 1: know what that that scenario which you know now you're

980
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 1: covered either way. Like now you have two different scenarios.

981
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 1: So if if Titans, you know, you don't get credit

982
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 1: for Stidham. Now if that happens, you will get credit.

983
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 1: He knows he will, I will get credit either way. Um,

984
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 1: so that's good. You're you're doubling your chances. That scenario

985
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 1: really reminds me of two thousand nine, which I think

986
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:34,959
Speaker 1: was the darkest, uh moment of the last twenty years

987
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,319
Speaker 1: of the Patriots, unless you get really worked up about

988
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: Spygate or whatnot. Was you know, them getting booed off

989
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: the field after the Ravens beat them by what twenty

990
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: five points and there was like trap, there was a

991
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 1: windy day and there was this trash blowing around and that,

992
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 1: and that was really the where everyone said, Okay, is

993
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 1: this the end of the Patriots dynasty going into two thousands,

994
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 1: and it was whether you whether you believe it happened

995
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 1: or not. I would say Tom Brady, the greatest quarterback ever,

996
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 1: being suspended from the NFL for cheating was maybe a

997
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 1: darker moment for the As a fan, though, I like

998
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 1: that one hurt more because you thought maybe it was

999
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:13,399
Speaker 1: no one thought he was the greatest quarterback of all time,

1000
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 1: then no one even would put him in that conversation. Yeah, alright, Wes,

1001
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 1: you are up. What you fatuous frauds do realize is

1002
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 1: that Matt Ryan's two thousand sixteen m v P season

1003
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:33,399
Speaker 1: under Kyle Shanahan calling the plays is the closest any

1004
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 1: quarterback has come to completing at least seventy of his

1005
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 1: passes at at least ten adjusted yards per attempt. No

1006
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 1: quarterback has ever done it. What you odious ostriches with

1007
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 1: your head in the sand don't realize is that Ryan

1008
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 1: Tannehill is currently at seventy three point four completion rate

1009
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 1: and ten point two adjusted yards per attempt. Not only

1010
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 1: is he accurate, he's lethal down field, and of course

1011
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 1: all these things have to be adjusted for era, but

1012
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 1: you rarely see that combination of accuracy and downfield prowess

1013
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 1: in a quarterback, especially Ryan Tannehill, where throughout his whole career,

1014
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 1: it's funny we've done this podcast so long to see

1015
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 1: a guy that used to not really appreciate Ryan tan

1016
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:19,799
Speaker 1: Hill taking over for your boy Mariota and the thing

1017
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:21,840
Speaker 1: we would get on tannhells he couldn't throw it downfield.

1018
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 1: But they've been on fire doing it. They have played

1019
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 1: three of the worst, you know, past defenses in the NFL,

1020
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:30,359
Speaker 1: and he helped his numbers. I saw something that they've

1021
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 1: played the second easiest schedule in the league this year

1022
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 1: and their last three weeks are the hardest schedule in

1023
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 1: the league. But not past defense. I wouldn't say when

1024
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 1: you have the Texans twice to your point about the

1025
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 1: arm strength. The touchdown to a J. Brown on a

1026
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 1: play action where he had pressure in his face and

1027
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 1: couldn't even really step in and drive the way you

1028
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 1: would think you would have to do on like a

1029
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 1: fifty yard downfield heave puts it right on the money,

1030
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 1: a perfectly thrown ball. To me, I was an eye

1031
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 1: opener that that he really does have a very strong arm.

1032
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:59,319
Speaker 1: Not to be a total jerk, but I have to

1033
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 1: start to question and Adam Gates in the quarterback position

1034
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:04,840
Speaker 1: that none of that was happening during Ryan's handle. I'm sorry,

1035
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 1: but you said that on Sunday. Also, we got that.

1036
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 1: I got you well, I didn't need to. I said

1037
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:12,320
Speaker 1: it Sunday, you said it Thursday. Were just but I

1038
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 1: didn't say it. So do you want me to defend

1039
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:18,399
Speaker 1: Adam Gates? I cannot. I am not interested in doing that.

1040
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 1: I know, but sometimes it's fun to see to what

1041
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 1: extent you're not interested in doing. It's like, I don't

1042
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 1: think the whole thing with the spy Gates how interested.

1043
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:29,439
Speaker 1: I amn't defending him for this one, not at all.

1044
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 1: Stop putting yourself in stupid situation. Thank you? What's wrong

1045
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 1: with you? Okay? What you Yeah? I didn't know we

1046
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 1: had to cook up these terms for each other. What

1047
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:47,399
Speaker 1: you frozen turred burgers don't realize is that there is

1048
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 1: a sheep. There is an emperor with no clothes in

1049
00:56:56,480 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 1: the NFC that currently has a by if the season ended.

1050
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 1: The Packers aren't for real. You guys don't see that

1051
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 1: yet because you guys, you look at wins and losses

1052
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 1: and you look, oh wow, they're handling their business. But

1053
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:13,400
Speaker 1: you know what, and I'm not gonna go too crazy

1054
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 1: about the last two weeks because if you get the

1055
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 1: Giants and the Redskins and back to back weeds, you

1056
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 1: might not, you know, be completely pumped up and dropped

1057
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 1: bombs back to back weeks saying, hey, they just got

1058
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 1: the job done. But then you take a closer look

1059
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 1: at their schedule. You know, the last time they played

1060
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 1: a real team, that forty down has embarrassed them seven

1061
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 1: to eight. And I was like, where is the win

1062
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 1: where you kind of sit up in your chair and

1063
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 1: you go, oh, yeah, the Packers. Man, Uh, they beat

1064
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 1: the Chiefs. That was an arrowhead, but Mahomes wasn't playing. Uh.

1065
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 1: They beat they killed the Raiders the week before, which

1066
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 1: was in the moment. That was a nice win in

1067
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 1: the moment, but you know, as we've kind of come

1068
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 1: to learn, that's obviously not a gifted Raiders team. Uh.

1069
00:57:56,920 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 1: They beat the Cowboys in Dallas in week five, but

1070
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 1: that was already when the Cowboys began their kind of

1071
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 1: slow descent into mediocrity. They don't really have like a

1072
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 1: team like the forty niners. They beat the Vikings, Okay,

1073
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 1: I mean that is ancient history. But I'll give you

1074
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 1: that that that's a legitimate win. Um lost to the Eagles.

1075
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:20,479
Speaker 1: My point being is that while team like the forty

1076
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 1: Niners to use an example, being battle tested week after

1077
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 1: week and you know what you got in them, if

1078
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 1: the Packers face one of these big boys in a

1079
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 1: big spot, do I think this offense is gonna necessarily

1080
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 1: make the plays that needs to make? Do I think

1081
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 1: this defense should ever be trusted? Um? No, This this

1082
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 1: might have the feel like one of those twelve and

1083
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 1: four teams that just kind of fizzle out in their

1084
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 1: first playoff game. We always fall back on, Hey, as

1085
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 1: long as you make the playoffs, that's all that matter.

1086
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 1: It's a new season that starts in. But what kind

1087
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 1: of analysis is that every team has the same chance

1088
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 1: once the playoffs starts. No, the Packers, I agree with you,

1089
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 1: are not that impressive. They are one of the least

1090
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 1: impressive ten in three teams, and they sound like they're frustrated.

1091
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 1: Rogers in Fleur sounded like they lost that game. I

1092
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 1: mean they were pretty furious. I think with their offensive

1093
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 1: performance afterwards. I don't think it's it's not that everything

1094
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 1: leading up it didn't matter this. I mean, this team,

1095
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 1: especially that hasn't had a track record under this coach.

1096
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 1: They need to start putting it together, all right, Greg,

1097
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 1: close it out? All right? What you uh imbeciles a

1098
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 1: fatuous did you say that? A buzzer about what you chatterbox? Now?

1099
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 1: But people don't realize the way to stop the Ravens

1100
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 1: isn't necessarily. People don't realize what you bird brain there

1101
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 1: we go. Fools don't realize is the way to stop

1102
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 1: the Ravens isn't necessarily with a great rush defense. Who

1103
00:59:58,000 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 1: really needs a great rush Devens. What you need is

1104
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:03,440
Speaker 1: a past defense. You have two of the best past

1105
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 1: defense in the league. Keep the Ravens under three yards.

1106
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:08,880
Speaker 1: And I know the weather was, you know, not great.

1107
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 1: That was a factor. A news flash. Their weather might

1108
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 1: not be great in the postseason either in Baltimore. The

1109
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 1: fact that they were under three hundred yards in back

1110
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 1: to back weeks, to me is an interesting development and

1111
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 1: the way that they did it so similarly the forty

1112
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 1: Niners and the Bills by trusting a great secondary to

1113
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 1: just win one on one matchups and crowd the middle

1114
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 1: of the field and stuff those mark ingram runs For

1115
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 1: the most part and have some athletes that can make

1116
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:37,240
Speaker 1: plays on the outside. Not many teams have that. It's

1117
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 1: not like you can just carbon copy the forts of

1118
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 1: the Bills roster. But the way that they've just absolutely

1119
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 1: over the last two weeks slowed down the Ravens passing

1120
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:51,120
Speaker 1: attack by saying beat us, beat us one on one

1121
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 1: with those wide receivers, and the Ravens haven't really been

1122
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 1: able to do it, I think was eye opening. And

1123
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 1: I look at one team in particular in the a

1124
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 1: f C, the in the City Chiefs, who can play

1125
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 1: pretty good past defense, and just dare you had a

1126
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 1: match up one on one and and who knows? I

1127
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 1: think that that is a tough matchup. It's also happened

1128
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 1: to be the opponent that made Lamar Jackson look the

1129
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:15,240
Speaker 1: worst and everyone, Okay, that was way earlier in the season.

1130
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:17,200
Speaker 1: That's fine. It was still his worst game of the

1131
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 1: season by far, and he was especially lost in that

1132
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:22,000
Speaker 1: game throwing the ball. I thought the Browns did the

1133
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 1: same thing the week later. And but if you want

1134
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 1: to look at the Bills game specifically, Marky's Brown has

1135
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:30,640
Speaker 1: been in a slump and he's not healthy. He had

1136
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 1: negative two yards receiving in that game, and they lost

1137
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 1: Marky Andrews early on, and their offense to me is

1138
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 1: just simply not the same without him on the field.

1139
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:40,200
Speaker 1: So they were a little banged up, but the guys

1140
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 1: to the point of their depth. If you don't have

1141
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 1: Brown and he's not been healthy, feels like in ages

1142
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 1: Panics something happens to Marky Andrews. There. They are pick

1143
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 1: off candidates for that. I mean, I look, I think

1144
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:52,480
Speaker 1: they're one of the great regular season teams that keep

1145
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 1: saying that, But I do think that that we've seen

1146
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:57,800
Speaker 1: maybe a great secondary, great past events like Buffalo, like

1147
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 1: Kansas City, maybe like New England. Uh uh, you know,

1148
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 1: can can create some problems because you don't want to

1149
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 1: be too one dimensional if you're the how did they

1150
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 1: lose last year? Great timing, Greg. We spin this right

1151
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 1: into t NF preview. Jets have Ravens, and my question

1152
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 1: is I see some similarities two thousand nineteen Ravens two

1153
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:19,640
Speaker 1: thousand seven Patriots, where I'm asking did they peak too soon?

1154
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 1: That's what I was just thinking they were a jug

1155
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:27,720
Speaker 1: two months they have and like we saw that that

1156
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:31,360
Speaker 1: graphic on TV out of Lamar Jackson's like last thirty

1157
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 1: three drives, twenty four of them had been touchdowns. There

1158
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 1: were more neil downs than punts. And now they are

1159
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 1: they're winning games, just like the two thousand seven Patriots

1160
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 1: kind of stumbled to the finish line. I'm not even

1161
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:48,720
Speaker 1: ready to go that far, but I do think to

1162
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:52,560
Speaker 1: expect them to be just the juggernaut, you know, rushing

1163
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 1: attack and offense throughout the player. It's probably not gonna

1164
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:56,360
Speaker 1: work out that way. And then and they'll say, look

1165
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:59,080
Speaker 1: at look how well our defense is playing. They can

1166
01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 1: win games different types of ways, but you can't expect

1167
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:05,760
Speaker 1: to get six touchdowns in six possessions in there. Yes, there.

1168
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:07,960
Speaker 1: They came out of their Week eight by they had

1169
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 1: a three game winning stree coming into the by. Then

1170
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:13,840
Speaker 1: they came out dropped thirty seven points on the Patriots,

1171
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 1: forty nine on the Bengals, forty one on Houston on

1172
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:21,720
Speaker 1: the Rams. Uh and so that was one of the

1173
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:25,040
Speaker 1: great runs. Feels like someone ripping off of Ravens Madden

1174
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 1: season in the room. That was. You know, that was

1175
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:30,040
Speaker 1: arguably the greatest November we've ever seen. Maybe the two

1176
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 1: thousand seven Patriots have something to say, but those are

1177
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:35,480
Speaker 1: four games all played in November where they just absolutely

1178
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:38,600
Speaker 1: dominated the league and dominated some good teams as well.

1179
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 1: Will they ever get back to that height, Maybe, maybe not,

1180
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:44,160
Speaker 1: But the Jets are a good team for them to

1181
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 1: uh just you know, work on some things if they

1182
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 1: feel like they've gotten a little bit out of whack,

1183
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:52,920
Speaker 1: because obviously the Jets have struggled to score a lot

1184
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:57,120
Speaker 1: of points. Their defense has I believe um overperformed. They've

1185
01:03:57,160 --> 01:03:59,480
Speaker 1: have had a nice season, but by no means are

1186
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:02,160
Speaker 1: they a d fens that should give Lamar Jackson and

1187
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 1: the Ravens a lot of trouble. I think one thing

1188
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:08,000
Speaker 1: to watch for me if I'm watching this from you know,

1189
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:10,920
Speaker 1: what is the what are we looking for? Why does

1190
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 1: this game matter? Because we all assume even Ravens easy

1191
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:19,000
Speaker 1: Ravens victory, as does the desert two touchdowns. In fact, um,

1192
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:22,400
Speaker 1: is Lamar Jackson moving well? He has this quad injury

1193
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:26,320
Speaker 1: that's popped up. Um that is not inconsequential because he's

1194
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:28,240
Speaker 1: a guy that's shown he could throw the ball this year.

1195
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:31,080
Speaker 1: I did tweet that Lamar said he's feeling great. Now

1196
01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 1: I know that player, but so you gotta see it.

1197
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:35,600
Speaker 1: You gotta see if you can make it through a

1198
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:37,920
Speaker 1: whole game. Is he gonna use his legs to make

1199
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 1: plays outside the pocket, which is what makes him truly special.

1200
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 1: So I think that will be the game thing to

1201
01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:46,240
Speaker 1: watch on Thursday night, which otherwise is gonna be a

1202
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:49,000
Speaker 1: hard game, even NFL Network. You know they've been doing

1203
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:51,240
Speaker 1: those ads all season where they have the two fan

1204
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:54,040
Speaker 1: bases like barking at each other. I don't even think

1205
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:55,880
Speaker 1: they did that for this game because they knew we're

1206
01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 1: not gonna have some fake Jets fan like talking down

1207
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 1: to a Raven's fan right now. It's a good car

1208
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 1: I haven't seen. Yeah, I think that's I think they

1209
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:06,320
Speaker 1: little bit much. They lost it for this game. Uh

1210
01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:08,040
Speaker 1: wait to read the room. Yeah. So it just gives

1211
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:10,160
Speaker 1: you a vibe of where this game should be heading.

1212
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 1: We'll find out how the Ravens handle being a man.

1213
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:16,360
Speaker 1: I do wonder if some of the downtick on offense.

1214
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:18,240
Speaker 1: And now you played the Bill the forty Niners and Bills,

1215
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:21,680
Speaker 1: and that's tough weather too, and but you have they

1216
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:24,840
Speaker 1: they lost Matt Skur, the center, Ronnie Stanley, their left

1217
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:27,120
Speaker 1: tackle is a concussion right now, and as if he

1218
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:30,360
Speaker 1: especially on a short week, and the Bills put heat

1219
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:32,720
Speaker 1: on Lamar Jackson, and you know, obviously he can shift

1220
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:35,760
Speaker 1: on a diamond, do crazy stuff and run for huge yardage.

1221
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:37,439
Speaker 1: But they found a way to get three or four

1222
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:40,800
Speaker 1: people around him and collapse the pocket and make it

1223
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:43,560
Speaker 1: life tough for him. It's not if Josh Allen could

1224
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:45,320
Speaker 1: hit a pass. I mean, they were beat a ball

1225
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:47,560
Speaker 1: in that day, and even quarter of their punts on

1226
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:49,600
Speaker 1: the season came in that game. It even took Lamar.

1227
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:52,160
Speaker 1: Those three touchdown throws were really good. It was like

1228
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:54,640
Speaker 1: two was three because they barely It's one reason why

1229
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 1: Lamar is the m v P, I think by a

1230
01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:58,800
Speaker 1: decent amount right now, is like even the three touchdowns

1231
01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 1: that he threw, they were not easy plays to complete.

1232
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:04,600
Speaker 1: Like that took an extra special effort for him to

1233
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:06,160
Speaker 1: get those three touchdowns. They could have been held to

1234
01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:08,120
Speaker 1: allow less. You know why Lamar has to be the

1235
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:11,840
Speaker 1: m v P. He's going to break Vic's rushing record

1236
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:14,760
Speaker 1: single season and lead the NFL and passing touchdowns. How

1237
01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:16,840
Speaker 1: can you give it to something about at this point

1238
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:19,919
Speaker 1: and Russell Wilson just had a big loss and he's

1239
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:21,960
Speaker 1: not been pristine over the last three weeks. A long

1240
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:23,760
Speaker 1: time and I've seen some be able it is over

1241
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:27,040
Speaker 1: It's like, all right, there's three it can happen, and

1242
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:29,880
Speaker 1: a nice season closing test for my boy Donald. He's

1243
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:33,640
Speaker 1: got at Ravens home, Steelers at Buffalo close out the year.

1244
01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:36,880
Speaker 1: So if he is indeed making progress, we would see

1245
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:40,760
Speaker 1: it here. If he's kind of flat lined behind that

1246
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:43,600
Speaker 1: offensive line against teams that get after quarterback, it could

1247
01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:45,919
Speaker 1: be trouble. If he's plateau. I shouldn't say flat line

1248
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:48,360
Speaker 1: because he's coming off probably his worst game of the

1249
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:51,440
Speaker 1: year against the Dolphins. So I'm hopeful, but he faces

1250
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 1: a challenge here. Um, all right, that's that before we

1251
01:06:55,320 --> 01:07:04,560
Speaker 1: go on, We're not that. I'm locking up the Ravens um.

1252
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 1: And the other thing I think is like does Adam

1253
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 1: Case get the most out of his players on offense?

1254
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:10,840
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the thing that was It's a question

1255
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:13,320
Speaker 1: that keeps you see it popping up, and I don't

1256
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:16,440
Speaker 1: know if anyone's drawn that correlation yet, but keep an

1257
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:19,280
Speaker 1: eye on only every fifteen minutes do we ask that question? Um?

1258
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:23,720
Speaker 1: All right, Mark, you wrote a banker, didn't read it yet,

1259
01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:27,720
Speaker 1: just went up, but I planned to wrote about the Raiders.

1260
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:31,480
Speaker 1: He wrote about the end of Oakland football in the

1261
01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:35,280
Speaker 1: NFL um and you talked, and you spoke to a

1262
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:37,720
Speaker 1: lot of people connected with the organization and got a

1263
01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:41,480
Speaker 1: better idea of where the vibe is during this historic

1264
01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:45,360
Speaker 1: time in the organization. Yeah. Well among them Art Shell,

1265
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 1: Tim Brown, Fred blittnic Cough, Marcel Reese, Phil Villa Piano

1266
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:54,120
Speaker 1: who is like a linebacker from ages old and you

1267
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:57,200
Speaker 1: probably would recognize him from Old Raiders NFL films. But

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Speaker 1: it was about the most interesting thirteen minute conversation I've

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Speaker 1: ever had with the next football player. I always speaks,

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Speaker 1: he speaks his mind. He was dropping f bombs. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he was having fun. Had to be no like Amy

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Speaker 1: Trash too. And she was awesome because you're getting people,

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Speaker 1: no she was. She was very valuable because they're coming

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Speaker 1: clear different angles here. Uh for me, because when you

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01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:21,639
Speaker 1: write these things and you can't and I don't handle

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01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:24,840
Speaker 1: them well, like I like just van it like I'm

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01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:26,640
Speaker 1: not really mentally aware. And it was really hard to

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Speaker 1: do like preview shows where I'm trying to write this

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01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:30,720
Speaker 1: and do the game studying at the same time, and

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01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:33,479
Speaker 1: that probably showed, but it's I just got sucked in,

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01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:35,960
Speaker 1: don't yourself. You always yourself when we do that. But

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Speaker 1: it's it's just because I I just became all consumed

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01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:42,160
Speaker 1: for like a forty eight hour period by a team that, like,

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Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever really felt the Raiders thing

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Speaker 1: the way that I feel like I'm supposed to, where

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01:08:48,360 --> 01:08:51,479
Speaker 1: they drenched in lure and how of an how much

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Speaker 1: of an underdog they were starting in the a f

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Speaker 1: L and and toyed with bankruptcy that Ralph Wilson of

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01:08:56,720 --> 01:08:58,880
Speaker 1: the Bills had to like loan money to the early

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01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:02,160
Speaker 1: Oakland Raiders operation to save the essentially the entire NFL

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01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:04,880
Speaker 1: because they would have been down to seven teams. So

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Speaker 1: all these little steps along the way, and then Al

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01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:10,200
Speaker 1: Davis shows up in a way that Bill Belichick would

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01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:12,519
Speaker 1: and is seen by some who were around is one

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01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:15,120
Speaker 1: of the finest NFL coaches in history. And I just

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01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:17,439
Speaker 1: little things that you're that I learned along the way

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01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:20,080
Speaker 1: sucked me into the Raiders experience and made me really

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01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:22,760
Speaker 1: fall for them hard for you know, during writing this,

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Speaker 1: and it's like if you don't want to become married

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Speaker 1: to what you're writing about, but it was impossible to

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01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:29,840
Speaker 1: not feel bad for the fans of Oakland because I

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01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:33,080
Speaker 1: think this move has been easier obviously than many others.

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01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:35,880
Speaker 1: But the people in Oakland specifically who have lost the

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01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:39,080
Speaker 1: Warriors and they're now losing this team that's been, you know,

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01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:41,639
Speaker 1: tied to their heart for so long is a tough

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01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:44,200
Speaker 1: one to swallow. And I get the Raiders travel well,

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01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:46,800
Speaker 1: and they're gonna go do what they do and they'll

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01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:48,479
Speaker 1: be fine in Vegas in a very different way. But

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Speaker 1: I don't One thing Amy Trash mentioned that I thought

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01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:53,280
Speaker 1: was true was that you go to that Colosseum, which

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01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:56,920
Speaker 1: is its story of its own, it's like percent Raiders fans,

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01:09:57,400 --> 01:09:59,120
Speaker 1: and it's you and and and if you're a Chiefs

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01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:00,800
Speaker 1: fan and a Chiefs to your or is good luck

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01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:03,680
Speaker 1: to you and your family. But Vegas, Vegas is a

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Speaker 1: different story. I think you're gonna get a lot of

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01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:08,439
Speaker 1: different types of people making that part of three day weekends.

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01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:10,479
Speaker 1: And and she made a point that it's there may

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01:10:10,479 --> 01:10:13,800
Speaker 1: be a paradigm shift. You cannot count on that percentage

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01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:16,760
Speaker 1: of Silver and Black loyalists in the crowd at that point.

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01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:20,120
Speaker 1: It reminds me a bit of Baltimore and their love

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01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:22,960
Speaker 1: affair with the Colts, and it was taken away from

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01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:25,920
Speaker 1: them where the Colts players like this was at a

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01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:28,040
Speaker 1: time in the fifties where they're living next door to

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01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:31,839
Speaker 1: fans interacting with them. See him in the bars. Raiders

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01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 1: fans in the seventies. You might see them at a

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01:10:34,240 --> 01:10:37,640
Speaker 1: Altamont concert or something like that, dropping acid, you know,

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01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:42,200
Speaker 1: but that same kind of thing where you feel ingrained

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Speaker 1: in the community like that, and just took ownership. The

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01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:49,599
Speaker 1: fans took ownership of that team. Check it out NFL

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01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:54,080
Speaker 1: dot com slash silver and black, Silver and black, and

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01:10:54,200 --> 01:10:58,240
Speaker 1: there's already reverberations here. The Raiders just announced that they've

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Speaker 1: waived the following players, Preston Brown, Threll McClain, and DJ Sweringer.

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Speaker 1: Maybe not because they didn't read your long for him.

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01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:09,240
Speaker 1: Maybe that's maybe that's something for those players. I mean,

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01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:14,880
Speaker 1: it just went up. It would be weird, but check

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Speaker 1: it out. Mark. I know you put a lot of

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Speaker 1: effort into it, and your journey just begins because now

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Speaker 1: this weekend you're traveling up there to the Black Hole,

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Speaker 1: UH to be there for the final home game. And

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Speaker 1: it will be the final home game because that's six

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01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:29,240
Speaker 1: and seven. You know they didn't winning the division. There

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01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:31,479
Speaker 1: will be no home playoff game. This is the end

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Speaker 1: of the road. Good stuff, Mark, all right, we will

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01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:42,040
Speaker 1: be back together again on Thursday. Uh, previewing all the

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Speaker 1: week fifteen games, including the game. Mark will be covering

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01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:50,719
Speaker 1: Raiders against Titans. Oh, that's a good one. To Raiders

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01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:52,960
Speaker 1: against Jaguars not so good, but you'll get a w

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Speaker 1: out of it. Oh, the Manchuvians will be out. Now.

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Speaker 1: Will you wear your Minshew jury is no, I will

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01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:03,800
Speaker 1: definitely you wearing a Gardner Minshew jersey. And that's and

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01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:05,920
Speaker 1: after they get yeah, you're not gonna you can't. You

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01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:09,720
Speaker 1: can't go try to talk to the Minshew mania, the Minshew. No,

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01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:12,720
Speaker 1: he's not the center the focus of this. Imagine you're

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01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:15,880
Speaker 1: wearing a Minshew jersey and the Raiders lose one in

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01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:18,360
Speaker 1: overtime and you just start asking about the end of

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01:12:18,439 --> 01:12:24,639
Speaker 1: Raider's football in Oakland. A terrible way to go about

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01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:26,880
Speaker 1: one's job. But you will be just so everybody knows.

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01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:30,040
Speaker 1: Mark won't be here for the Sunday recap because he'll

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01:12:30,040 --> 01:12:33,840
Speaker 1: be busy working and writing uh and hopefully still be

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Speaker 1: alive after that event. Um, but you will be drafting

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Speaker 1: on behalf of others who will be filling in for you,

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01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:41,760
Speaker 1: and there is a specific strategy that I will be

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01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:46,400
Speaker 1: employing a little cliffhanger there by, Mark Sessler, all right,

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Speaker 1: let us go. Is Dan Hanson signing off four quiet Storm,

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01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:56,519
Speaker 1: NFL dot Com, Slash Silver and Black, the Old Boss,

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Speaker 1: and Ricky Hollywood hang in there, Darling. Thank you. On Thursday,