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Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome back to Batch. You're Happy Hour.

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Speaker 2: I'm Joe and I'm Serena, and we are here.

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Speaker 1: With another episode. We are going to be recapping episode

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Speaker 1: four and then our guests later on in the week

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Speaker 1: is Sarah Fina. But before we get into the recap,

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Speaker 1: we have to address the news that The Bachelorette is

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Speaker 1: on pause. Yes, and we spoke with our producer who

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Speaker 1: works with the show, and it's true it's on pause.

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Speaker 1: They are hopeful that it's coming back, but we like

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Speaker 1: to think that it's coming back, but we don't know

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Speaker 1: for sure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we know that at this time the show's on pause.

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Speaker 2: We know what you know. It does kind of feel

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Speaker 2: like what happened with Paradise last year, where they took

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Speaker 2: the year off, it didn't air, they didn't film, and

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Speaker 2: this year they're picking back up and we're gonna have

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Speaker 2: a twenty twenty five season. And I think there's an

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Speaker 2: additional level of excitement around Paradise this year because there

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Speaker 2: was that gap year and we know the Jens finale

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Speaker 2: was kind of a dumpster fire. There was a lot

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Speaker 2: of things going on with that season, you know, both

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Speaker 2: during airing and for months after. So maybe a little

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Speaker 2: pause and a refresh is gonna be a good thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's that's the sugarcoated way to say it.

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Speaker 1: I disagree with you. I don't like that. It's that

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Speaker 1: it's on pause and I I like watching this show

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Speaker 1: looking for who's gonna end up with the lead and

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Speaker 1: who is going to be our next lead? Uh So

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Speaker 1: I find that to be disappointing personally. Yeah, I like

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Speaker 1: if I Yeah, I think it's a I think it's

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Speaker 1: a bummer, like all around.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll be interesting watching the show, not really speculating.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's if the show comes back. Who's to

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Speaker 2: say that one of these girls couldn't still one day

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Speaker 2: be the baucherette. But the odds are a lot lower.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And the difference with pausing Paradise is you add

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Speaker 1: a lot more players to the game by pausing it

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Speaker 1: because you add more seasons. You're not doing that with

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Speaker 1: like right.

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Speaker 2: But with Paradise there's just a bigger contestant pool to

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Speaker 2: choose from when casting if you take a pause. But

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Speaker 2: I think that maybe just additional time is needed, whether

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Speaker 2: it be to cast new men, to cast a new lead.

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Speaker 2: It definitely feels like a somber topic. Talking about this pause,

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Speaker 2: I think it came as a shock to everyone. It

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Speaker 2: definitely came as a shock to us. And we'll see

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Speaker 2: what happens.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean all we could do is wait and see.

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Speaker 1: But as of now, Paradise is coming back, So that

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Speaker 1: will that will be the next show.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we'll finish off Grant season and then we'll be

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Speaker 2: looking forward to Paradise and we will also, just like

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Speaker 2: you guys are, stay tuned to find out what's going

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Speaker 2: to happen with the Bachelorette and when we can hopefully

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Speaker 2: expect it to be back on our screens.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's get into episode four. We are in

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Speaker 1: Madrid and we have ten women left. It's going pretty quick.

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Speaker 2: I know it's going really quick. So how do you

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Speaker 2: feel about Madrid?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I love Madrid as a city. I've been

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Speaker 1: there twice, been pickpocketed there once, but I did catch

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Speaker 1: the guy, so that's that's good, thank god, because he

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Speaker 1: had he had my phone in his hand.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was intense. It seems like these guys had

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Speaker 2: a way more relaxing first day in Madrid than we did.

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Speaker 2: Specifically Dina, who got the one on one date.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Dina gets the first one on one date. The

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Speaker 1: and I like the show going to Spain. I feel

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Speaker 1: like Spain's like the more or the most romantic city

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Speaker 2: Really you're a telling and you don't feel like it's Italy.

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Speaker 1: I actually know, I kind of think it's to me,

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Speaker 1: Spain is just a little a little more. I guess

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Speaker 1: it depends where you are. But like if you compare

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Speaker 2: Okay, well I love that for you.

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Speaker 1: So Grant sits down. All the girls are having Sangria.

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Speaker 1: Very romantic, he asked Dina on the one on one date,

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Speaker 2: The week for one on one I feel like is important.

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Speaker 2: It's like the first week they're traveling, you know, the

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Speaker 2: and I guess this supplies to Sara Fina as well.

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Speaker 2: Is they both were recipients of that second group date

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Speaker 2: last week where they got that special extra time because

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Speaker 2: of what happened with Beverly, So I'm surprised that he

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Speaker 2: Letia got that night portion. I don't know. It was

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Speaker 2: very telling to me that, like, he clearly picked those

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Speaker 2: Zoe or Carolina get to get a one on one

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what is your opinion of Dina?

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Speaker 2: I really like her. I think she just seems really normal,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I think I think those the the

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Speaker 1: people that are very normal and mature and have their

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Speaker 1: because it's reality TV, and then the people that are

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Speaker 2: Yes, I agree, And she kind of touches on her personality,

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Speaker 2: which is that she has been called a bit of

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Speaker 2: an ice queen. She was kind of raised with this

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Speaker 2: understanding of like feelings make you weak. I like what

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Speaker 2: she said though, she said the right man will make

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Speaker 2: you feel safe enough to get those feelings out of you.

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Speaker 2: But she's obviously not someone that is openly expressive about

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Speaker 1: I know, what's the fastest way to get that out

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Speaker 1: Let's show Dina's softer side. But no, I I listen.

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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't judge anyone for basically anything, but

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Speaker 2: Was that person Yeah, it's very relatable.

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Speaker 1: She's from she's from Chicago, she's one of eleven.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, whoa big family.

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Speaker 1: She's an attorney, So that's not like a that's a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean her her explaining her history definitely gives

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Speaker 2: thought this date was some of the most meaningful conversations

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Speaker 2: surround like relationship, give and take sacrifice that I've seen

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Speaker 2: a while. I thought she was asking really thoughtful questions

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Speaker 2: I just want Yeah. Well, the day portion, they talk

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna stop. I'm gonna I'm gonna stop you there.

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Speaker 1: Nobody will ever go on this show and be like,

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Speaker 1: I'm not a giver, I'm actually a taker.

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Speaker 2: I think there's been girls on the show that are like,

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Speaker 2: I want to be with someone that is like a provider.

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Speaker 2: And it seems like Dina's like, look, I'm looking for

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Speaker 2: But she seems like she's someone that really knows herself,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Grant really likes her. They make sense

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I feel the most like sexual

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think I could definitely get there.

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Speaker 1: And I think, like sexual chemistry is sometimes difficult when

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Speaker 1: I will say, like agree or disagree with Carolina. You

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because if the show was all Dinas, it would

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Speaker 1: And I get that the other girls are annoyed with

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Speaker 2: My thing with Carolina and we can get into this

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Speaker 2: what she's feeling is totally valid and from my experience

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Speaker 2: you know, I had a week two one on one.

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Speaker 2: But she's just sharing it with the wrong people because

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I get that.

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Speaker 1: And she's funny. She's funny on this like like watching

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Speaker 1: Are not for Zoe copying Alex's bull ride?

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Speaker 2: No, not bullshit?

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's just you the No. I agree.

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Speaker 2: I agree as the most like has the best situation.

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Speaker 1: I agree, I agree, and ze Zoe. I would have

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Speaker 2: She's just so competitive. There's like she's really hard to

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Speaker 2: Well that's the thing. We're not even seeing. Like we're

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Speaker 2: No, we haven't seen him do a lot of that.

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Speaker 2: her the rock on this one. If I'm Priza, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm it seems like Grant it's more of a

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Speaker 2: Just not have that, They just have more best friend vibes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Zoe has a conversation where she talks about like

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Speaker 2: This conversation was so heartbreaking to me to hear her talk,

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Speaker 2: I just, honestly my heart broke for her and she's

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Speaker 2: I thought it was really brave of her to open

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Grant also like he can relate and he

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Speaker 1: he seems to really like Zoe, which is which is

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Speaker 1: which is good? Which is all Zoe needs?

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Speaker 2: You know what? Also, Zoe in the last week or

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Speaker 1: Zoe's doing it good for a competitive person, for a

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Speaker 2: Yes, of like kind of holding back that, Like, yeah, probably,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Because if you if you watch.

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Speaker 2: The I want this for her, you know, if you.

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Speaker 1: Watch the first two episodes, you, I would say most

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Speaker 2: No, it's so rare to see someone and this happens

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Speaker 2: a lot in the show. Excuse me, is once someone

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Speaker 2: well as I hoped, and like my camarati were with

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Speaker 2: I think she did the more strategic thing to chill

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Speaker 2: with Grant, and I see her going like, I actually

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Speaker 1: Okay, So then we see Carolina again. She's really like

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she's having a hard time with the show structure.

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Speaker 1: And then Juliana calls her out, they go outside, they

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Speaker 1: Is the problem?

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Speaker 2: What's the problem?

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Speaker 1: The problem is? For my understanding, Yes, the problem is

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Speaker 1: so we don't want to hear you. That's that's the argument, right,

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Speaker 1: That's that's what the problem is.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So yeah, the conversation just didn't really go well

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Speaker 2: Time to send him in. They're like in the middle

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Speaker 1: The temperature in the room is very negative and Carolina's crying.

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Speaker 1: Grant kind of picks up on it. Are you okay?

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Speaker 2: And yeah that was the right move. Are you going

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Speaker 1: I think it was a fun group date. Unfortunately it

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was literally freaking out. He was being really

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I wouldn't have wanted to do that.

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Speaker 2: you if you tell production that we're gonna pass on

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00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:41,440
Speaker 2: this activity. If anything, I'm gonna be really happy because

440
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 2: I don't want to jump off this bridge.

441
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, but I do think situations in dates that

442
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:53,160
Speaker 1: are a little more high stakes like bring two people

443
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 1: closer together, which I do feel like I saw that

444
00:22:56,600 --> 00:23:00,800
Speaker 1: with them. It seemed he seemed to be very comfortable

445
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:01,119
Speaker 1: with her.

446
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,359
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well she was bringing a lot of positive energy

447
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:03,919
Speaker 2: to the date.

448
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 1: Too, and then we you know, jumping to like the

449
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 1: night portion, which like, personally, I think people are going

450
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 1: to really like Sarah Fina, especially after this when she

451
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 1: was like He's like, yeah, well, you know when I

452
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 1: kiss you, She's like, oh, that's just because my mom's watching.

453
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought that was a good moment. She's like,

454
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 2: don't it's not that deep. I just don't want my

455
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 2: mom to see me kissing you.

456
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:31,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, And he was like laughing, and I think I

457
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,360
Speaker 1: like them both together. Like, I think she's going pretty far.

458
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, she said that she's falling in love with him.

459
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:38,879
Speaker 2: He said he could see himself falling in love with her,

460
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,239
Speaker 2: and we're going to talk to her more about it

461
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 2: in our interview with her this week.

462
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, out of the two, out of the two that

463
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 1: had dates, who do you think has a stronger connection?

464
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 1: Sarafina or.

465
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 2: That's hard. I actually feel like they're kind of tied

466
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 2: for me right now. I feel like they're actually on

467
00:23:58,560 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 2: the same level. Who do you think?

468
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 1: Uh? I think Sarah Fina. Yeah, yeah, but but I

469
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 1: don't know.

470
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:13,159
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know. I I think I'll

471
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,119
Speaker 2: go Dina just to play devil's advocate. And I actually

472
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,159
Speaker 2: think that their connection is a little bit underrated right now.

473
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so then we go, let's go just go

474
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:22,639
Speaker 1: back to the house.

475
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 2: Cocktail party.

476
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 1: Cocktail party. Juliana and Grant have a convo here. Juliana

477
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 1: really expresses how she feels much more.

478
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 2: Yes, she comes out very clear and concise. I don't

479
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 2: know if she was just much less nervous than in

480
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:39,639
Speaker 2: her conversation with Carolina, but she articulated herself very well.

481
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,159
Speaker 2: She basically says, coming back from the one to one,

482
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 2: Carolina was ungrateful, had nothing but negative things to say

483
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 2: about the date. And to me, Carolina's behavior kind of

484
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,920
Speaker 2: seems like it's starting to come across like it's maybe

485
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 2: a protective measure. Like she went on this date, she

486
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 2: had a great connection, she really liked him, and she

487
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,959
Speaker 2: had his undivided attention and opened up about her experience

488
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,160
Speaker 2: with epilepsy and all these things. And now she's kind

489
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 2: of watching him give his time to all these other women,

490
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 2: and maybe it's creating some insecurities and instead of I

491
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 2: would say, she's expressing that she's having a hard time,

492
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 2: and she does definitely go into it, but I feel

493
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 2: like maybe her negativity and her criticism and concerns about

494
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,160
Speaker 2: this process come for her just being like I really

495
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:24,919
Speaker 2: like this guy and I'm feeling scared that I'm going

496
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 2: to get hurt.

497
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 1: Well, it's unfortunate because then her and Grant have a

498
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 1: conversation and he's a little he seems to now be

499
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 1: a little annoyed, and it just for Krolina. This is

500
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 1: unless she's going to do something to turn it around.

501
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 1: It really just seems like it's kind of the beginning

502
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 1: to the aging to the end.

503
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, a little bit, because Grant basically says, like, it

504
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 2: hurts to hear that you're going to the other women

505
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 2: and saying all these negative things about our time together.

506
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,680
Speaker 2: And it's totally valid that she has concerns at this point,

507
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,159
Speaker 2: which I agree with. I mean, you know, it's a

508
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 2: short process, it's very fast normal to you know, have

509
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 2: some doubts and concerns. But I think he's one hundred

510
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 2: percent right by saying you should be coming to me

511
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 2: and we should be working through those things together versus you,

512
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 2: you know, because to him it probably just sounds like

513
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 2: she's talking about him constantly in the house.

514
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 1: Yeah right, Yeah, definitely. And then we see we see

515
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 1: Rose send herself home, you know, before she sends herself home,

516
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 1: she kind of has a little argument with Carolina where

517
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:31,199
Speaker 1: she says, like, you backstabbed me, which I don't know, like,

518
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 1: I like Rose, but I think it was probably the

519
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 1: right decision for her to leave. I don't really see

520
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 1: the backstabbing aspect of it, only because like you you

521
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 1: she said, while you were dancing with him, Carolina, he

522
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 1: was thinking of me that information is kind of like,

523
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 1: you know, that is going to be hard for her

524
00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 1: to keep that to herself. Yeah, Like that's just I mean,

525
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: because because she's gonna want to call the guy out

526
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 1: that she's dating to be like, hey, you were thinking

527
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 1: her when I was dancing with.

528
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 2: You, and then you also went and told her about

529
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 2: it kind of thing, which is yeah, I don't know,

530
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 2: Like I think Rose obviously felt like they were having

531
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 2: a private conversation and that everything that was said would

532
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 2: remain between the two of them. But that piece of

533
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 2: information information, I can totally understand why Caroline is like,

534
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 2: I have to confront him about this because it's going

535
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,439
Speaker 2: to weigh on me and I want to get to

536
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 2: the bottom of if he said this to you, and

537
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 2: if he did, I don't know if I want to

538
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 2: be with this person. Yeah, I think she's in a

539
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 2: hard position.

540
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 1: I just think Rose made a mistake and just and

541
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 1: just said too much, Like she just shouldn't have shared that.

542
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 2: That was the one thing I feel kind I feel

543
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 2: bad for her because it's like she obviously slipped up,

544
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 2: she said something she shouldn't, but unfortunately that has resulted

545
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 2: in kind of like well, you know, it unraveled and

546
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 2: it's going to basically end her time on the show.

547
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 1: And I think Grant really liked Rose, and I think

548
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 1: if Rose didn't get if Rose never had that conversation

549
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 1: with Carolina, I would bet that she would still be here.

550
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I think so too.

551
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,199
Speaker 1: So that was just that's unfortunate.

552
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 2: It is unfortunate.

553
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 1: It goes home.

554
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,199
Speaker 2: You know what's interesting we see Latia chime in on

555
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:27,159
Speaker 2: the Carolina stuff.

556
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so I was gonna I was gonna make

557
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 1: a point about that because Letia. In my mind, I

558
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: feel like almost every season we get someone who's that narrates,

559
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: who is.

560
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 2: Not involved in the drama, but they're narrating it in

561
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 2: their interviews kind of like from their perspective and.

562
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 1: Their trustworthy Like like I don't know Latia.

563
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 2: No, but we're made to feel like we can trust her.

564
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 1: But the show. I watched the show, and I trust

565
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 1: what Leatia is saying. Yes, right or wrong, I don't know,

566
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: but that's that. That's just how I feel when I

567
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: watch it. So and Letilla seems to really be fed

568
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: up with the Carolina show.

569
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, she basically says she's pissed. It's been the Carolina Show.

570
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 2: She says, the way she has chosen to further her

571
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 2: relationship with Grant is at the expense of others, and

572
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 2: it feels really unfair, which is a strong statement to make.

573
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 2: And I would say, God, I want to know with

574
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 2: what is going on in this house off camera, Like

575
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 2: I just feel like it's kind of a shit show

576
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 2: in there, and there's like way more that we're not seeing.

577
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 2: And I feel that more this season than I usually do.

578
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: Well, maybe when they take a break from doing the Bacheorette,

579
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: they will realize they need to start filming more shit

580
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 1: that goes on in the house.

581
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like get me some, get me some some wall

582
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 2: camera footage, Like, get me some behind the scenes. Like

583
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 2: I just feel like there we're seeing a lot. But

584
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 2: these women are really fed up with Carolina and you

585
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 2: can tell, and they're being vocal about it amongst themselves

586
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 2: anti Grant.

587
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: To the point where now I'm starting to feel a

588
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: little bad for Carolina because I don't know what's really

589
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: going on, because it's like, like she said, like I'm

590
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: I'm allowed to feel the way I feel totally.

591
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 2: But my advice to her would be pull someone that's

592
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 2: been on a one on one date that's maybe able to,

593
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 2: you know, share your feelings and relate to what you're

594
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 2: going through because they've also been in your shoes, you know,

595
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 2: like find the other girls that have had a lot

596
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 2: of time, so you're not venting to the girls who

597
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 2: are desiring what you have, or like go find a producer,

598
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 2: you know, go vent to a producer. I just think

599
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 2: she's not picking the right moments, and I think she's

600
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 2: a really emotional person and a very expressive person, and

601
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 2: it's unfortunately hindering her relationships in the house. She did

602
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 2: have a really nice moment with Dina where Dina basically

603
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 2: just said like kind of summed up what it seems

604
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 2: like Carolina's been feeling and really connected with her. But

605
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 2: then we see in the tea Dina and Carolina are

606
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 2: going at it so like Dina, who's extending a helping

607
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 2: hand to Caroline in this episode, by next week seems

608
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 2: like she's fed up with her too.

609
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 1: Well, we'll see, we'll see, I don't know. And then

610
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: so Parisa, who is very likable and Natalie, who comes

611
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: across like very sweet, like you feel bad when she

612
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: goes home. They both go home, but it's like that

613
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: time on the show where you know the most of

614
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 1: the people that are going home you have grown to like.

615
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 2: And yeah, and at the end of the day, I

616
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 2: feel bad for both of them, But I don't think

617
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 2: as much as I was maybe a little surprised, I

618
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 2: don't think I would have been predicting I would see

619
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 2: either of those two in the final four based on

620
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 2: what we've seen from the show so far. So you know,

621
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 2: sad to see them go, but we're flying through the season.

622
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 2: You know, there's only so much time.

623
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, that that is it with the recap. Thank

624
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: you guys so much for tuning in to Bets or

625
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: Happy Hour. We'll be back every week. Make sure you

626
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: download and subscribe.

627
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628
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