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Speaker 2: Welcome into Northside Territory. Foul Territory Networks Cubs Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 2: Sahadev Sharma with my partner Patrick Mooney. Patrick and I

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Speaker 2: an exciting week coming up. I say that because it

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Speaker 2: We've had some past but this year seems like we

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think exciting is relative because a lot of

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Speaker 3: But you're right that there is, you know, this Juan

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Speaker 3: But the Cubs have already started making moves, which is

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Speaker 3: a good sign. They do have a little bit of

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Speaker 3: have an appetite to spend this winter, just generally across

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's always I just remember one of my first

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Speaker 2: But then suddenly it was like no action during the

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Speaker 2: got we have a guest today. Uh, let's let's bring

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Speaker 2: in our guest. It's a Jamison Tywn from the Chicago Cubs.

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Speaker 2: Obviously one of the better interviews in the game, one

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Speaker 4: Very honest, let's bring him in.

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Speaker 2: Jamison, thanks so much for joining us, man, Thanks for

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Speaker 1: Yeah, good morning, gotta do the off season in the

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Speaker 4: Isn't that whatever does important stuff? You nailed it by man.

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Speaker 1: I'm at the Cubs complex. I could walk inside, but

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Speaker 2: So all right, Jamison, let's get right to it.

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Speaker 2: One of the bigger signing so far, Matthew Boyd. But

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting because when I was a free agent,

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Speaker 4: I think this year, I think you know, there's a

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Speaker 2: You've always had your pulse on on free agency. I

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Speaker 1: Here's some videos to see what you're you know, a

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Speaker 1: So Tommy, to me has just got like that perfect

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Speaker 2: Jamison one more before we let you go get a

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Speaker 1: It's not like, you know, we were a hundred win

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Speaker 1: That's not like when I look back and see ninety ones.

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Speaker 2: you soon enough. Thanks so much for joining us. We

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Speaker 2: know you're busy, but always appreciate your time.

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Speaker 4: Jameson, Yeah, thanks for having me. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: All right, thanks so much for listening. That's Northside Territory.

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Speaker 2: I'm Sadiv Sharma. That's Patrick Mooney. Appreciate Jameson Tyn joining us.

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