1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: Hey, lady, is doctor dom here. If you like this 2 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: show and you want to make your own, let me 3 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: tell you about the free platform Anchor. It's a creation 4 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: tool that allows you to record and edit your podcast 5 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 1: right from your phone or computer. You can add songs 6 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 1: from Spotify and create any type of content that you 7 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: are looking for. 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But then, also, because of Beyonce's mainstream popularity, 16 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: children of other races and ethnicities get to also witness 17 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: how beautiful black culture is. 18 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 3: Today's episode is sure to provide you with motivation, inspiration, 19 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 3: or even a fresh perspective. If you have any AHA moments, 20 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 3: or if you feel comforted throughout the episode, Lady, please 21 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:31,320 Speaker 3: leave us a review and tell us what we're doing 22 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 3: right so we can stay on track. Also, we release 23 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 3: episodes every Friday, so be sure to subscribe on iTunes 24 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 3: and visit her Space podcast dot com and enter your 25 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 3: email address to get updates about our live events and 26 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 3: all the new beginnings that we have for this year. 27 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: Welcome to her Space, a podcast dedicated to uplifting women 28 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: like you. We're your Costs Doctor Dominique Brussard, a college 29 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: professor and psychologist. 30 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 3: And Terry Lomax, a techy and motivational speaker. 31 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 4: In a world where black women are often misrepresented and misunderstood, 32 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 4: please join us as we initiate authentic conversations on everything 33 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 4: from fibroids to fake friends and create a safe space 34 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 4: where black women can just be. 35 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: Hey, lady, is doctor dom here from the Herspace podcast. 36 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:30,359 Speaker 1: Do you have a burning question you're dying to get 37 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: feedback on. Do you want an unbiased perspective on a 38 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: situation you're facing. If so, visit herspacepodcast dot com and 39 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:44,399 Speaker 1: click ask doctor Dom under the start here option. Every Tuesday, 40 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:49,519 Speaker 1: I'll choose a few questions and answer them at random. Okay, 41 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 1: our quote of the day. We have always been wonderful. 42 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: I see us in the world's most heavenly things. Black 43 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 1: is king. We were beauty before they knew what Beauty was. 44 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: That quote comes to us from yoursa daily Ward, and 45 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: she is one of the co writers for Beyonce's latest 46 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: visual album, Black It's King Now, Lady, if you haven't 47 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:32,119 Speaker 1: seen it yet, which I totally understand, they're exclusively streaming 48 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: on Disney Plus, and if you don't have a Disney 49 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:41,119 Speaker 1: Plus account then you might not have seen it yet. However, 50 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: I highly recommend that you check it out, especially after 51 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: you listen to all of the things that Terry and 52 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: I are going to dive into today. Regarding the things 53 00:03:55,440 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: that we picked up and things that other people have 54 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: noticed about this visual album. My thought is that after 55 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: hearing this, you will definitely want to check it out 56 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: for yourself. No matter what your opinion may be, you 57 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: would want to check this out team. I think before 58 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: we dive in, I do want to give a little 59 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 1: bit more information, so for those who have seen it 60 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 1: and didn't know this yet or haven't read any of 61 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: the articles associated with it. So Blackest King is the 62 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: visual album follow up to The Lion King and each 63 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: song from the visual album there's a special video that 64 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:55,280 Speaker 1: goes along with that and it is shot in various 65 00:04:55,320 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: locations from South Africa Ghana, the UK. Beyonce really went international, 66 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: but mostly focusing on the continent. For creating this visual album, 67 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: there were so many if you looked at the credits, 68 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: there were so many people that contributed to this work. 69 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:22,679 Speaker 1: And we'll get into some of that later on today, 70 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: but just know that watching that visual album is truly 71 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: a work of art. No matter what you think of 72 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 1: any of the other things that will bring up today, 73 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: the bottom line is that Blackest King is truly a 74 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: work of art, and art is supposed to generate conversation. 75 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 1: So Tea, are you ready to dive into that conversation? 76 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:56,919 Speaker 3: We are ready to dive in. That was a great 77 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 3: transition there, don You are so right to Art is 78 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 3: supposed to bring up conversation, right. It provokes conversation. It 79 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 3: sometimes provokes controversy as well. And lady, chances are if 80 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 3: you have been on social media, you have been seeing 81 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:14,479 Speaker 3: all the posts. Okay, there's just it's so polarizing. There's 82 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 3: so much, so much that people are saying. Okay, so 83 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 3: we're just going to cover really quickly what folks are 84 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 3: saying about the Blackest King. So some people believe the 85 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 3: Blackest King is a stunning ode to African glory and culture. 86 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 3: Then others deemed Beyonce's work as demonic and problematic. Now, 87 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 3: I even saw a post online that said Blackest King 88 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 3: is racist, and you know, I had decided I when 89 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 3: I saw that, and I'm pretty sure they said that 90 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 3: it was racist because I believe they said that she 91 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 3: had a white butler in the film, and I thought 92 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 3: that was so interesting because when you think about the 93 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 3: history of black people in television and the roles limited 94 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 3: to us. Yeah, I was just like, okay, that's interesting. Also, 95 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 3: as an aside, black people can't be racist. We don't 96 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 3: have the tools or power to institutionalize racial depression. So 97 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 3: can we be prejudiced? Absolutely we can. 98 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 1: We're going to move the words right out of my mouth. 99 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 3: Yes, okay, like, yeah, black people cannot be racist, right, 100 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 3: but we can be prejudiced for sure. 101 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 2: Right, Okay, let's get that. Let's get that out of 102 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 2: the way. 103 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 3: We also noticed that other viewers believe that the film 104 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 3: wasn't an accurate depiction of Africa and wish to see 105 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 3: more representation from other countries on the continent. And basically, 106 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 3: as you probably know, the range of feedback was wide 107 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 3: and very controversial. And there's so much that we could discuss. 108 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 3: But if you know anything about the Heirspace podcast, you 109 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 3: know that we often like to dive into the unexplored 110 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 3: perspectives or we like to lean into the positive or 111 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 3: motivational aspects of the topics we cover. And so today 112 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 3: we want to highlight some of the amazing artists and 113 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 3: creatives that showcase their work in the film, because regardless 114 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 3: of how you feel about it, there were definitely parts 115 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 3: of this that can be inspiring, right, There were definitely 116 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 3: parts that can be motivating, and there were definitely parts 117 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 3: that can, like Dom said, strike not provoking conversation, right. 118 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 3: And so now I'm going to go ahead and pass 119 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 3: the mic over to you because there are so many 120 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 3: things that we could explore, and I think we should 121 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 3: definitely acknowledge what we could explore before we dive into 122 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 3: what we're going to focus on for today. 123 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, where do I even begin? Yes, there are many 124 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: layers to this, and I want to be clear that 125 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: you know, te you and I stay in our lane, right, 126 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: and yes, when something is not in our lane, we 127 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 1: bring in an expert, right. And so the things that 128 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:45,679 Speaker 1: we're not going to dive into today are because we 129 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: want to stay in our lane and we don't have 130 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:52,439 Speaker 1: the experts to come on to talk about these topics. 131 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: And lady, if you're listening and you're an expert in 132 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: one of these areas that I'm about to mention, feel 133 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:03,599 Speaker 1: free to reach out to us at her Space podcast 134 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:07,079 Speaker 1: at gmail dot com and let us know your area 135 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:10,079 Speaker 1: of expertise in one of these areas, and we would 136 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 1: love to discuss with you the potential to have you 137 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:16,199 Speaker 1: on to share your knowledge with us. So some of 138 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 1: those topics dance te you, and I have said multiple 139 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: times before that dance is not our ministry. We will 140 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: not attempt to dissect any of the dance, but we 141 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: will give shout outs to the choreographers because they did amazing, amazing, 142 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 1: amazing work. The fashion, now we will talk a little 143 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: bit about her stylists, but the overall dissection of the 144 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: fashion itself and some of the underlying themes and the 145 00:09:55,800 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: art of some of Beyonce hairstyles, those are things that 146 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: we're not going to dive into because again that's not 147 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 1: our area of expertise. The biggest piece that I want 148 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: us to acknowledge, and I encourage all of us myself 149 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: included I've started. I've actually started doing more research throughout 150 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 1: the documentary. There are underlying and outward themes from the 151 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 1: Eurobo religion, and I would encourage all of us, any 152 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:40,439 Speaker 1: one of us who is not familiar, to do some 153 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: research to really get an understanding of Beyonce's connection to 154 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 1: it and what were the different ways in which she 155 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:57,959 Speaker 1: brought that out in the documentary. There was also within 156 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: some of that controversy discussions between the relationship between Africans 157 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 1: and Black Americans. We're not going to dive into that. 158 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: That is a whole another episode that we could potentially 159 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 1: just dive into in the future of that relationship and 160 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:22,119 Speaker 1: the relationship of all of us along the African diaspea 161 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: in general. We won't dive into that today. And I 162 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: think that it is important for us to acknowledge all 163 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:33,559 Speaker 1: of these things because as we've seen in the articles 164 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 1: about Blackest King, those aspects are brought up. But again, 165 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 1: we want to stay in our lane, and our lane 166 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 1: on her space, as t mentioned, is to be positive 167 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: and to focus on uplifting voices of black women in general. 168 00:11:56,440 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 1: And so what we are going to do now is 169 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: kind of highlight some of the black women creatives who 170 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: contributed to Black Is King, and just really amplify who 171 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:17,959 Speaker 1: these women are so that we can all know their names. 172 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:20,559 Speaker 3: See you ready, I'm ready down, And I do want 173 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 3: to say there are so many creatives, Like I think 174 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 3: I saw a list. I mean, don did you see 175 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 3: the credits at the end. There are so many creatives 176 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 3: that we could touch on. I may have sold I 177 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 3: may have seen the list that said one hundred plus, 178 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 3: but I don't know if that's accurate, So don't follow that, lady. 179 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 3: But there are lots of creatives that were part of 180 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 3: this that we could touch upon, but we're only going 181 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 3: to highlight a few today because we could be here 182 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 3: all day. So our first creative that we're going to 183 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 3: dive a bit deeper into here is Serena Akers, and 184 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:53,439 Speaker 3: she is Beyonce's stylist and she's been her stylist for 185 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 3: about six years. And honestly, regardless of how you feel 186 00:12:56,480 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 3: about the film, I think that the one hundred plus 187 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 3: books are undeniably compelling. Okay, we have to give Serena 188 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 3: some credit for that and a big thank you, because 189 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 3: I mean, she did the damn thing and I was 190 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:13,199 Speaker 3: watching this good Morning America interview where she talked about 191 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 3: how Beyonce really wanted to pay homage to the art 192 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 3: of water collecting, which is still common for many people today, 193 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 3: and so she used that feedback to inform some of 194 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 3: the looks. And you know what else I thought was 195 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 3: interesting tom In that interview, she was talking about how 196 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 3: she was at Beyonce and Jays's home and they were 197 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 3: just going to shoot some stuff and Beyonce's backyard and 198 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 3: figured out and then she said that Beyonce was like, wait, 199 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 3: I want to do a video her song. So Zerena 200 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 3: said that it kept on kind of growing and flowing 201 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 3: constantly and the boxes just kept coming, kind of like 202 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:49,719 Speaker 3: how the Amazon boxes just keep showing up at my 203 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 3: house and the boxes of clothing just kept coming. 204 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 2: And I was like, damn, that's so dope. Like as 205 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 2: a creative how you don't. 206 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 3: Even really have an demid You're just like, let's just 207 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:03,440 Speaker 3: go with the flow, right, and you're feeling it, and 208 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 3: you're like, you know what, It makes me think about 209 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:08,439 Speaker 3: some of our creative processes too, down where we may 210 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 3: not really have an end de mind. We just really 211 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 3: go with the flow, We go with our gut we 212 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 3: trust our intuition and by the time we're finished, you know, 213 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 3: we produce something and share it with the world, and 214 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 3: we get a lot of feedback and you know, we 215 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 3: get to hear what our listeners think. Right, It really 216 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 3: makes me think about that creative process as far as 217 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 3: how you go with the flow. But I thought that 218 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 3: was a really cool story and just really interesting and 219 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 3: so inspiring. I mean, anytime I see black women just 220 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 3: doing dope shit, I'm. 221 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 1: Just like, yes, forward, here for it. And I think 222 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: that also speaks to their energy of being in sync 223 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: with one another, right, that they were just so in 224 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: sync and so in tune with their vision. They were 225 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: in alignment with their vision of what this could be. 226 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: That it just makes it easy to just flow and 227 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: things just work out seamlessly and beautifully. 228 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 3: I love that you said that done because I think 229 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 3: one of the biggest things for me over the years 230 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 3: has been my struggle with going with the flow, always 231 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 3: feeling like I needed to have a script or a guide, 232 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 3: or like, before I take the leap, I need to 233 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 3: know what's the next step gonna be. What are the 234 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 3: next ten steps? Matter of fact, not just the next step, 235 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 3: what are the next ten steps, and so I think 236 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 3: that can teach us a lot about creativity when you 237 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 3: really just get in tune yourself and you trust your intuition. 238 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 3: And I think also going back to you know, what 239 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 3: is my purpose, right, what are my intentions? And to 240 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 3: know that she said that she wanted to pay homage 241 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 3: to the art of water collecting, right, and then being 242 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 3: able to see that throughout I mean, you see water 243 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 3: in the moon, you see those different aspects throughout the film, 244 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 3: and so just being able to kind of ground yourself 245 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 3: on the big vision. I was just like, yes, I'm 246 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 3: loving it. Creatively, I'm like, that's dope, that's dope. 247 00:15:55,680 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: Yes, yes. So then you know, speaking of like being 248 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 1: creative and being aligned with someone, like, one of the 249 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: things that I appreciate is that Beyonce brought in other artists, right, 250 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: And no matter what your take on her is, I 251 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 1: think that it was really dope that she is making 252 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: artists who are well known and really well respected in 253 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 1: their own right bringing them to awareness of those of 254 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: us who might not normally access them. Right. So the 255 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 1: artist te you was savage. First of all, let me 256 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: just say that in doing more research on her forty 257 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: years old and in the game for years years. One 258 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: of her top albums came out in twenty ten, so 259 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: years okay Tea was featured on Keys to the Kingdom. 260 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 1: And what I can appreciate is that, and I say featured, 261 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:13,680 Speaker 1: I mean it's her song. Let me just be clear, 262 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 1: let me back up, it's her song, right. But she 263 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: is currently one of Nigeria's biggest female pop stars and 264 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:27,679 Speaker 1: she's an activist and one of the topics that she 265 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 1: is focused on addressing is rape culture in Nigeria. While 266 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 1: that is not an area that I am familiar with 267 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 1: in terms of like having full knowledge of what rape 268 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 1: culture in Nigeria is, like, I think that it is 269 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 1: huge for her to be using her platform as a 270 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:56,920 Speaker 1: pop star as one of their biggest stars to bring 271 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 1: awareness to culture and calling it out and speaking up 272 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: about it. I just think that makes her so dope. 273 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 3: I'm with you there, Dom, I would definitely agree with that. 274 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 3: And I think it's also pretty amazing that her song 275 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:17,360 Speaker 3: is featured on the album and Beyonce isn't even in it, right, 276 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 3: It's like you're on this project. I think that's its 277 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 3: values because it's funny. When I was listening a couple 278 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 3: of songs. So I was kind of waiting. Maybe it 279 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 3: was just Keys to the Kingdom, I can't remember, but 280 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 3: I was listening and I was like, Okay, what Beyonce 281 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 3: park coming. I was like, Okay, this is the song 282 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 3: and this is good and this is it. I love it, right, 283 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:36,399 Speaker 3: And so, because sometimes you have an expectation that if 284 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:38,680 Speaker 3: it's an artist album, they're going to have a part, right, 285 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 3: And so I thought that was pretty cool to be 286 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:43,879 Speaker 3: a creative and to give someone else's platform and you 287 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 3: didn't even have to be in the mix, right, You 288 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 3: just kind of let them do their thing. So I 289 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 3: thought that was pretty cool, Pretty cool. 290 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: Yes, And I think it's about time that team would 291 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 1: got her chance to really shine here because one of 292 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 1: the things that we also know about her is that 293 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: she got a call to do background singing for Mary J. Blige, Right, 294 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:13,439 Speaker 1: She did some work as a songwriter and wrote on 295 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: Fantasia's album, She did background vocals for Whitney Houston right, 296 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 1: and then went back to Nigeria and started doing promoting 297 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 1: her own work, right. And so for her to come 298 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 1: back here and partner with Beyonce and have her own spotlight, like, 299 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:37,120 Speaker 1: I'm just so happy for her. 300 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 3: I'm with you, girl, it's so dope, so dope. We 301 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:44,880 Speaker 3: love to see folks that are, you know, super talented 302 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 3: and that are out here grinding out get their recognition. 303 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 3: And it's so funny too time. I was thinking about 304 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 3: this the other day. How I bet you that some 305 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 3: of the most talented people in the world are unknown 306 00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 3: to the world, right. I Mean, we see a goople 307 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 3: certain people in mainstream that are promoted, but there are 308 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 3: so many everyday people that are just talented as hell 309 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 3: and they just don't have the machine behind them to 310 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 3: promote them, right. They don't have you know, the capital 311 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 3: or the resources to get their name out there, but 312 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 3: they're super talented. It just makes me more excited to 313 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 3: continue to support artists, especially artists that we truly like. 314 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 2: I mean, there have been artists over the years that 315 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 2: I may have seen on. 316 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:26,440 Speaker 3: YouTube right or SoundCloud, and I'll support them because I'm like, yo, 317 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 3: I like their music, right, even if the world hasn't 318 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 3: discovered them yet. I like their music, And so just 319 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 3: supporting people that we genuinely like and not always just 320 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,159 Speaker 3: kind of going with what's fed to us, you know, 321 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 3: because there's always you know, certain people I don't know, 322 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:44,199 Speaker 3: there's a whole agenda. I believe in some cases around 323 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 3: the people that are able to make their way into 324 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 3: certain arenas, but I think that it is important to 325 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:53,399 Speaker 3: always support the folks that are truly talented that we 326 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 3: really do enjoy, which. 327 00:20:55,000 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: Is exactly why Beyonce having so many people contribute to 328 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: this visual album is huge. The way I look at it, 329 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 1: she has a platform, she has access right and so 330 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:18,880 Speaker 1: what she's doing is she is making space for other 331 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: artists that I feel like that is what if we 332 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:27,640 Speaker 1: take away nothing else from this album, this visual album, 333 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 1: is that creating this visual album made space for so 334 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 1: many creatives, so many artists. 335 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, And speaking of creatives, we have to shout 336 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 3: out Jeni Kirou, who is one of the collaborative directors 337 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 3: of the project. And I really got excited when taking 338 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 3: a look at Jen's story and I'll tell you I'm 339 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,159 Speaker 3: just a bit lady. Long story, short throw. Jen was 340 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 3: born and raised and Peckham, and she studied law in 341 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 3: London before decamping to DC and she attended film school 342 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 3: at Howard University HBCU in the house and I love 343 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 3: that she said that she had known about Howard since 344 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 3: she was a kid via Black TV sitcoms, which I 345 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,679 Speaker 3: thought was so cool and so cute, like, you're, you know, internationally, 346 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 3: you're living in a different country, but you see that 347 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 3: you're influenced by this American culture. And I want to say, 348 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 3: the pride that we have for HBCUs and so I 349 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 3: think that's just so right. 350 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 2: Isn't that cool? 351 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:31,119 Speaker 1: Yeah? I agree? 352 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 2: And then right right. 353 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,399 Speaker 3: And then she talked about learning how to work with 354 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 3: black ideas in a way that's sophisticated and not entry level. 355 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:42,399 Speaker 3: And the fact that she said that she could not 356 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 3: have contributed to Black is King the way that she 357 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:50,120 Speaker 3: did had it not been for the teachings of her 358 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 3: professors at Howard University. For me, that kind of gave 359 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 3: me goosebumps. And it was so validating because I think 360 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 3: oftentimes Black people, you know, because of our struggles, right, 361 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 3: because because of history, we just don't get the credit. 362 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 2: That we are due. 363 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,399 Speaker 3: Right, so many times in history we see that, and 364 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:10,159 Speaker 3: even our HBCUs people be sleeping on our universities, you know, 365 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 3: they sleep on our work. And just to see her 366 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 3: do these great things in the world and attribute that 367 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 3: back to the HBCU where she got her education. I 368 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 3: was just like, yes, it's just how can you not 369 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 3: be a powered by that? 370 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 2: Right? Like I was just so excited about that. 371 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 1: Yes, that is so dope. And you know, speaking as 372 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: someone who used to teach at an HBCU, that warms 373 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 1: my heart and that really, even though I'm not teaching 374 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:41,679 Speaker 1: at an hbc you now, it just motivates me to 375 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:46,439 Speaker 1: continue the work that I do because you never know 376 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 1: who you are inspiring and motivating, especially when you show 377 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 1: up as your authentic self and pour into these students. 378 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,199 Speaker 3: I'm so with you because oftentimes we hear people and 379 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 3: I mean, there's I guess there's nothing wrong with Ivy 380 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,159 Speaker 3: League per se, right, but we often always hear that 381 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 3: promoted right from black people, white people, all kinds of people. 382 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 3: But to hear someone just shout out their HBC you like, yes, 383 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 3: you know, like my experience here on what I learned 384 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 3: here was super valuable. And we know that, right because 385 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,119 Speaker 3: you know, I've worked in an HBCU as well, so 386 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,639 Speaker 3: I know that the students got value there, but we 387 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 3: don't often see that talked about as much. So shout 388 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,920 Speaker 3: out to you, Jen. Also, Jen worked on three projects 389 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 3: with Beyonce so far. So she worked on Ape Shit, 390 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 3: she worked on the Ivy Park campaign for Adidas, and 391 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 3: then of course most recently Black is King. So I 392 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,399 Speaker 3: thought that was another inspiring creative that we wanted to 393 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:41,399 Speaker 3: shout out here. 394 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: When you said that, I was like, oh, yeah, I 395 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: remember that Ivy Park ad for Adidas. That was pretty cool. 396 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 1: So I appreciate that Jen is getting continued work and 397 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 1: hopefully this means that, like she is doing other amazing 398 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 1: things outside of her work with Beyonce. And so now 399 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 1: we come to the writing. And you know, oftentimes we 400 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: can look at a video and we can think, oh, 401 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:19,479 Speaker 1: it's just okay, someone wrote the music and then someone 402 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 1: like choreographed. But when we look at at any video 403 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,880 Speaker 1: or any visual album, there clearly has to be some 404 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 1: writing that goes into it, right. There has to be 405 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 1: some level of a script. Even if they go off 406 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 1: that script, there's some writing that happens. And two of 407 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 1: the writers that I want us to highlight we already 408 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: heard from one of them, Ursa daily Ward in our 409 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: Quote of the Day, and Yursa is a poet, model, actor, 410 00:25:55,520 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 1: and LGBTQ activist. She was born in England and was 411 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 1: raised by her grandparents who were using her description strict 412 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:13,159 Speaker 1: Seventh Day eventus. And when you think about that background 413 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 1: right of coming from a strict religious household, and then 414 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:23,879 Speaker 1: you hear some of her work, and if you've ever 415 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 1: seen anything that she's putting forth on Instagram, it's beautiful, 416 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: beautiful work. And what I appreciate is that coming from 417 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:38,439 Speaker 1: that strict religious background, she was able to get to 418 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,640 Speaker 1: a space and she's currently in a space of truly 419 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,919 Speaker 1: finding herself and finding her voice and putting her voice 420 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 1: out there. She has released two books. The first book, 421 00:26:52,760 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 1: Bone is a collection of her poetry, and she initially 422 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 1: self published that book and then was later picked up 423 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:11,160 Speaker 1: by publishing house. And then her second book is titled 424 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 1: The Terrible, a storyteller's memoir, where she kind of shares 425 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 1: a little bit more insight into who she is and 426 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 1: how she is evolving as a young person. I want 427 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:33,120 Speaker 1: to share another one of her quotes, and this one 428 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 1: you may recognize from Black as King. You were formed 429 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,159 Speaker 1: by the heat of the galaxy. What a thing to 430 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:47,680 Speaker 1: be one and the same and still unlike any other, 431 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:55,159 Speaker 1: life is a set of choices. Follow your life or 432 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: lose it, Lady, If you haven't checked out yours's work, 433 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 1: yet I definitely encourage you to follow her on Instagram 434 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 1: and will have links to how to access all of 435 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:11,120 Speaker 1: the creatives that we've talked about today. And one more 436 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 1: creative that I do want to shout out is the 437 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 1: poet Worresan Shire Worsan. For those of you that remember Lemonade, 438 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:28,639 Speaker 1: will also remember that a lot of Warsan's work was 439 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:37,399 Speaker 1: featured in Lemonade. She is a British writer, poet, editor 440 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 1: and teacher who was born to Somali parents in Kenya. 441 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 1: I want to read a couple of her poems or 442 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 1: quotes because they are also just equally as beautiful, and 443 00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 1: encourage you to follow her on Instagram as well. Give 444 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: your daughters difficult names, Give your daughters names that command 445 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 1: the full use of tongue. My name makes you want 446 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 1: to tell me the truth. My name doesn't allow me 447 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 1: to trust anyone that cannot pronounce it right. That's right, 448 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 1: wars On, And that's why T and I make sure 449 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 1: that we looked up people's names to make sure that 450 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 1: we were saying your names properly, and if we didn't, 451 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 1: please let us know, because we want to make sure 452 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 1: that we are speaking your name, how your parents intended 453 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: your names to be spoken. And I want to read 454 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 1: one more quote from war Son. You are welcome to 455 00:29:53,680 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 1: come home to yourself. Let black be anonymous with glory. 456 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 2: Oh that's so powerful. 457 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 1: Dom. 458 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 2: Yes, I love it. 459 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 3: I love it, and I love that we're you know, 460 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 3: we get a chance to be inspired by black writers 461 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 3: because oftentimes, you know, we talk about it in the 462 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 3: opening of our podcast, right, black women, black people, we 463 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 3: are often underrepresented and misunderstood, and so to have people 464 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 3: that look like us, though they may have different experiences, 465 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 3: they can speak a language and tell stories that many 466 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 3: of us can relate to, and so I think that's 467 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 3: so powerful. Words are powerful, but to hear someone speak 468 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 3: something that sparks something in your soul, or to have 469 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 3: someone articulate something that you may be feeling and may 470 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 3: not know how to communicate. I mean, those are the 471 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 3: powerful moments, right, those quotes that you share online or 472 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 3: you're like, oh my gosh, that's exactly how I feel, 473 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 3: but I just didn't know how to say it right, 474 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 3: or I couldn't have said it better myself. I think 475 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 3: there's just so much power and having these creatives that 476 00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 3: look like us sharing these stories, you know, moving and 477 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 3: just beinged in their creativity. It's just so inspiring and 478 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 3: I love that. 479 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I love it too. And I think that, 480 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 1: you know, one of the things that you said, like 481 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 1: it made me think about so yeah, like Beyonce utilizing 482 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 1: these women and their writing, like these women spoke to 483 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 1: her and clearly speaking the language that she wanted to communicate, right, 484 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 1: And instead of just taking their words and putting their 485 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 1: words out there, you know, or taking their words and 486 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 1: transforming it into her own, she let them come in 487 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 1: and make it known that these are the words of 488 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 1: someone else. 489 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 3: Right, exactly. I love that and just giving them credit. Now, 490 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 3: we do want to cover a few other things before 491 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,959 Speaker 3: we dive into just what came up for us personally 492 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 3: as we tuned into the film. And so just as 493 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 3: like a little reminder, you know, little housekeeping for our community. 494 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 3: I think that sometimes, you know, in this stand culture 495 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 3: that we have, right, I've personally noticed that sometimes people 496 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 3: will just follow someone blindly, right, And I think because 497 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 3: of all the you know, critical feedback that people are hearing, 498 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 3: it's easy to just kind of follow a post on 499 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 3: social media. So I just want to remind us, all right, 500 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 3: including myself, to think critically and do our own research 501 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 3: even if we you know, Tom, I feel like this 502 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 3: is the age of the Aquarius. 503 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 2: You got everything coming out. I mean, people are just 504 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 2: all kinds of stories coming out. 505 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 3: And we've covered topics like this on the podcast too, 506 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 3: where it's like, oh, what do I do when this 507 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 3: person that I admire and I you know, love or 508 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 3: you know value has done something that I don't agree with? 509 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 1: Right? 510 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 2: Like how do you? What do you do with those feelings? 511 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 3: So I say all that to say just because of 512 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 3: all the controversy around this topic, like we should never 513 00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,480 Speaker 3: blindly follow anyone. We definitely want to be mindful to 514 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 3: and critically do our research, all that good stuff. And 515 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 3: then also, you know Don talked about initially, you know 516 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,960 Speaker 3: when we started this episode about us keeping things positive 517 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 3: and it's totally okay for us to enjoy someone's work 518 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 3: and be positive and also critique things that we disagree with, 519 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,520 Speaker 3: Like that's okay. And I saw a lot of people 520 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 3: on social media, I mean they were have a nasty 521 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 3: discourse and I'm just like, y'all, it's okay for us 522 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 3: to disagree, right, we can disagree agree. 523 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 2: With maybe and that's cool. 524 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 1: It should be it should be a healthy. Healthy discourse 525 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:39,479 Speaker 1: is disagreeing in a way where it's not about someone 526 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,480 Speaker 1: has to be right, you know, someone has to be 527 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 1: the winner. It's okay, let me share my points and 528 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 1: let me be willing to listen to your points. And 529 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 1: maybe there are things that we can each learn from 530 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:54,320 Speaker 1: one another in this. 531 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 3: Absolutely, Dom, Absolutely, But I think like bashing you know, 532 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,240 Speaker 3: someone's experience decisions or you know, the way to live 533 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 3: the life and things like that, it's just like, what 534 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 3: is the purpose, you know, especially if you're I think 535 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:08,359 Speaker 3: I would hope that at the end of the day, 536 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 3: like if you have a different perspective or you believe 537 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 3: you know something to be true, you just want to 538 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,720 Speaker 3: share your opinion and hope that the other person listens. 539 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 1: Right. 540 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 3: We don't always have to try to, you know, bring 541 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 3: someone over to our side. We're all in tied out 542 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,839 Speaker 3: to our own opinions. And I think the last thing 543 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,440 Speaker 3: here is just like you know that it's okay to 544 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 3: embrace and explore a perspective that differs from what you 545 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,479 Speaker 3: were taught growing up. And I think we've talked about 546 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,399 Speaker 3: this too, Dom. We have a lot of episodes now. 547 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 3: So I can't remember when we talked about that, but 548 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 3: it kind of makes me think about it yourself, or Warsan. 549 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,759 Speaker 3: There's a or Warsan who grew up in the strict household. 550 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,480 Speaker 3: Okay you're so yeah, it made me think about her experience, 551 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 3: and I was like, oh, you know, it's okay to 552 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,560 Speaker 3: explore a different perspective, even if your family may not 553 00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,719 Speaker 3: understand it, right, Like, I think the key is for 554 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,120 Speaker 3: us to like think critically, do our research and see 555 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 3: what resonates with us based on where we are in 556 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 3: our journey exactly. 557 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 1: And I think, you know, to me that speaks to 558 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,600 Speaker 1: what I was saying earlier about like a lot of 559 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:13,120 Speaker 1: the things related to the eure of a spirituality, eure 560 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:19,360 Speaker 1: of a religion that Beyonce highlights in this visual album. 561 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,480 Speaker 1: And I think that for a lot of us, if 562 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:27,719 Speaker 1: we grew up Christian, no matter what our denomination, you know, 563 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 1: just how we were raised, one we might not notice 564 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,400 Speaker 1: some of the imagery that was in the album, but 565 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 1: two if we did, it may be contradictory to how 566 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:44,239 Speaker 1: we were brought up, right, And I like, how you 567 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,839 Speaker 1: know you've pointed out that just because this was how 568 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 1: we were raised doesn't mean that we can't be open 569 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 1: to learning about other ways of being, and being open 570 00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:00,880 Speaker 1: to learning about other ways of being does not automatically 571 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:06,839 Speaker 1: equate us with completely departing from or denouncing how we 572 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:07,480 Speaker 1: were raised. 573 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,919 Speaker 3: I agree with you there, don absolutely, and I will 574 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,880 Speaker 3: say Dom, I'm curious to know what came up for 575 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 3: you when you were watching the film, Like, just on 576 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:19,239 Speaker 3: a personal level, On. 577 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:23,840 Speaker 1: A personal level, I thought that it was a beautiful 578 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:29,239 Speaker 1: work of art, you know. I think that just on 579 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:36,880 Speaker 1: a surface level, like just the visual itself was stunning, right, 580 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:41,319 Speaker 1: And if I take away nothing else from that, the 581 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:49,279 Speaker 1: visuals were just so beautiful. Right. And then when I 582 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,680 Speaker 1: step back and look a little deeper, you know, I 583 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:56,480 Speaker 1: think the bigger picture that it brings up for me 584 00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:04,520 Speaker 1: is just the level of exposure to non American mainstream 585 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:13,600 Speaker 1: music and culture. So thinking about my nieces or thinking 586 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:19,120 Speaker 1: about other brown girls and brown boys and brown gender 587 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:24,600 Speaker 1: non conforming kids who can look at this visual album 588 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:29,600 Speaker 1: and see beauty in blackness. 589 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:30,360 Speaker 2: Right. 590 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:38,719 Speaker 1: But then also because of Beyonce's like mainstream popularity, children 591 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:44,440 Speaker 1: of other races and ethnicities get to also witness how 592 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:50,239 Speaker 1: beautiful Black culture is. They get to see what we 593 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:57,440 Speaker 1: already know, how beautiful we are. And you know there's controversy, 594 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:02,520 Speaker 1: you know, around the full representation. You know, I read 595 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:06,480 Speaker 1: somewhere that someone said, you know, Beyonce in Africa is 596 00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:13,960 Speaker 1: not full of royalty. True indeed, true, indeed, but it's 597 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:20,239 Speaker 1: a positive image of blackness that, considering the times that 598 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:26,080 Speaker 1: we are currently in, I felt so uplifted, you know, 599 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:31,759 Speaker 1: considering right now we are constantly bombarded with so much 600 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:35,400 Speaker 1: negativity about what it means to be black in this country, 601 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:41,800 Speaker 1: so much anti blackness, that to see this visual album, 602 00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:46,800 Speaker 1: it was just really heartwarming and really beautiful. And then 603 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,319 Speaker 1: I think the other piece of it too, for me, 604 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:58,759 Speaker 1: was just recognizing that no one person is perfect and 605 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:06,480 Speaker 1: so recognizing that she is not going to get everything 606 00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:15,920 Speaker 1: that everyone wants. But oout that film, she was unapologetically black, 607 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,279 Speaker 1: and I loved it. See what were your thoughts? 608 00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,480 Speaker 3: You had a lot of good points there, Dom, I 609 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,799 Speaker 3: will say, and I wanted to kind of piggyback off 610 00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:28,280 Speaker 3: of something that you said when you talked about the representation, 611 00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,799 Speaker 3: because let's be real, don for a lot of US 612 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:36,640 Speaker 3: African Americans growing up literally, you know, having no ties 613 00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:40,880 Speaker 3: to a country on the continent, having no ties to 614 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,120 Speaker 3: you know, a few generations passed, like my grandmother right, 615 00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,080 Speaker 3: like I was aware of my great grandmother. But other 616 00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,080 Speaker 3: than that, like no ties to family before that because 617 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,959 Speaker 3: of slavery. The only association I had with Africa, girl, 618 00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:57,399 Speaker 3: was those damn commercials where the I want to say, 619 00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,840 Speaker 3: the Colonizer's you know, went over there and they're showing 620 00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:02,719 Speaker 3: the little black kids with the big bellies and the 621 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,520 Speaker 3: flies on their face. Literally, that is the only thing 622 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:11,320 Speaker 3: that I heard about in saw as it relates to Africa. 623 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,680 Speaker 3: And so literally for years, that was my depiction because 624 00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:16,560 Speaker 3: I was a kid and that was what was presented 625 00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,560 Speaker 3: to me on TV, especially those late nights where you 626 00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:21,000 Speaker 3: have the you know. 627 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:21,920 Speaker 2: Commercials coming on. 628 00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,760 Speaker 3: And so I think over the years, as I began 629 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:28,480 Speaker 3: to expand my friend group and travel a bit more, 630 00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,879 Speaker 3: my best friend is from Morocco, and so when we 631 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,200 Speaker 3: were in middle school, hearing her talking about going back 632 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,200 Speaker 3: to Morocco and her experience, that opened my eyes to 633 00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,080 Speaker 3: a new way of seeing Africa. And then when I 634 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:42,640 Speaker 3: had a chance to go to Egypt, I was like, 635 00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,840 Speaker 3: oh my gosh, this is so different, right, I mean, honestly, 636 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,160 Speaker 3: dom I think You're right, there's feedback about the representation 637 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,760 Speaker 3: not necessarily being holistically accurate. 638 00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:52,960 Speaker 1: Right. 639 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,160 Speaker 3: There were some parts that may be portrayed well, but 640 00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,440 Speaker 3: then others that are missing, and like you said, you're 641 00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:58,840 Speaker 3: not going to hit on all the points in the 642 00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,440 Speaker 3: film like that. But also, if I had to choose 643 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,040 Speaker 3: between seeing the depiction of Africa that I saw as 644 00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:07,800 Speaker 3: a young kid and this more empowering image, I probably 645 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,480 Speaker 3: use the more empowering, right, So I would definitely agree 646 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,320 Speaker 3: with that. I wanted to touch on that really quickly. 647 00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,279 Speaker 3: But I think as a black woman, having such a 648 00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,239 Speaker 3: beautiful body of work to share with my kids, right, 649 00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,800 Speaker 3: other black children, and to know that a black woman 650 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,799 Speaker 3: created this and from what I know, I mean, had 651 00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,560 Speaker 3: a mostly black team, right, So I think there's a 652 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,120 Speaker 3: sense of pride that comes along with that. Whenever, like 653 00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,200 Speaker 3: I said before, whenever I see a black person or 654 00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,919 Speaker 3: a black woman achieve something or do something dope, there's 655 00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,000 Speaker 3: always this sort of air of oh my gosh, that's 656 00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,840 Speaker 3: so amazing. And I can do that too, right, seeing 657 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,439 Speaker 3: someone that looks like you do something great, it tends 658 00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,000 Speaker 3: to be inspiring. And I think about songs like Brown 659 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,000 Speaker 3: Skinned Girls, right, and what that means for little black girls. 660 00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,360 Speaker 3: And I think it's special because we didn't have a 661 00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,120 Speaker 3: lot of that growing up. It wasn't really you know, 662 00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,560 Speaker 3: I don't know about you, don but where I grew 663 00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:00,880 Speaker 3: up and the time that I grew up, it wasn't 664 00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,920 Speaker 3: really cool to be black, you know, not like it 665 00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:05,560 Speaker 3: is now. I feel like now being black is like 666 00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,759 Speaker 3: a trend for some people in this country that I 667 00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:10,799 Speaker 3: think growing up that wasn't the case, and so we 668 00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,239 Speaker 3: didn't really have many songs like that, right, I mean, 669 00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:16,640 Speaker 3: we always had James Brown, right, I'm black, and we. 670 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:23,880 Speaker 1: Had we had Nbre Brown, right. But then you know, 671 00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:27,759 Speaker 1: I think that there's, yeah, I hear you, there's few 672 00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,520 Speaker 1: songs about representation, and I think just you know, as 673 00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,560 Speaker 1: you were talking, one of the things that came up 674 00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,360 Speaker 1: for me was this thought of, like, you know, deepening 675 00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,600 Speaker 1: as we think about representation and what that does to 676 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:46,280 Speaker 1: our mental state. Right that if what our children see 677 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,799 Speaker 1: is black as king, and they see royalty, they see 678 00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:55,360 Speaker 1: us depicted as royalty, that even if that's not wholly accurate, 679 00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:01,680 Speaker 1: the message that it sends to our future generation is 680 00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:08,080 Speaker 1: that we are royalty, and then that seeps into our 681 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:14,600 Speaker 1: psyche then we start to carry ourselves with higher self esteem, right, 682 00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:21,799 Speaker 1: and higher levels of self confidence because we see that 683 00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:25,200 Speaker 1: yes we are wonderful, Yes we are beautiful, Yes we 684 00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:29,359 Speaker 1: are powerful, Yes we are royalty, Yes we are keen. 685 00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:31,680 Speaker 3: Yes time ibout agree with that. And I love that 686 00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:33,440 Speaker 3: you brought up in diory too, because I feel like 687 00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,920 Speaker 3: we did have that song, and I feel like brownskinned girls, 688 00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,840 Speaker 3: it can be for all women, but it really speaks 689 00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:41,719 Speaker 3: to little girls, right, So now they have their own 690 00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:45,000 Speaker 3: little anthem too. And I think also, you know, when 691 00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,279 Speaker 3: tuning in, I felt more inspired to tap into my 692 00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,640 Speaker 3: creativity and share my message with the world in a 693 00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:54,560 Speaker 3: powerful way. And then I also say that it made 694 00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:58,800 Speaker 3: me more excited to continue on my path to spirituality 695 00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:00,880 Speaker 3: and what that means for me, and also connecting with 696 00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:04,440 Speaker 3: my ancestors and history. And I did take my ancestry test, 697 00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,440 Speaker 3: which we talked about a few episodes ago. And in 698 00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,319 Speaker 3: addition to what I learned what I took the ancestry test, 699 00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:14,480 Speaker 3: I also learned where my ancestors came from. And like 700 00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,520 Speaker 3: many of us, my ancestors came from the West coast 701 00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,640 Speaker 3: of Africa, right, And so I have the blood of 702 00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,680 Speaker 3: various tribes running through my veins, and I just felt 703 00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:27,719 Speaker 3: empowered being able to see the visuals because, like you said, 704 00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,759 Speaker 3: it was a beautiful visual piece, and so I think 705 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:32,759 Speaker 3: that was inspiring. And then the last thing I'll say 706 00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:36,760 Speaker 3: is the Gift documentary. That was also really interesting because 707 00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,680 Speaker 3: I love getting a chance to hear from an artist's 708 00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:44,240 Speaker 3: perspective what they intended for their music. 709 00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:44,520 Speaker 2: Right. 710 00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:46,680 Speaker 3: So, sometimes you'll hear a song and you know, back 711 00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,640 Speaker 3: in the day before artists were doing a lot of interviews, 712 00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:51,000 Speaker 3: I would hear a song, I'm like, what does that 713 00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:51,640 Speaker 3: person mean? 714 00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:53,200 Speaker 2: What are they talking about? 715 00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,640 Speaker 3: To hear the you know, hear Beyonce talk about this 716 00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:57,520 Speaker 3: is what I wanted to do for this song, and 717 00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:01,320 Speaker 3: this is the message I wanted to share. It's like, oh, okay, 718 00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,719 Speaker 3: that gives you more insight. So there's a lot to 719 00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:05,960 Speaker 3: be researched. I think the first time I watched it, 720 00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:07,960 Speaker 3: it was all about the visual I was just visually 721 00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:11,680 Speaker 3: stimulated and captivated, like, oh my gosh, the textures, the colors, 722 00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,359 Speaker 3: the dance, oh my goodness, all that. Then I feel 723 00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,480 Speaker 3: like the next time I need to look at the lyrics, 724 00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:17,880 Speaker 3: you know, more deeply. 725 00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:19,400 Speaker 2: There's just so many components. 726 00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:23,120 Speaker 3: G I saw someone online talking about how you know, 727 00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:26,200 Speaker 3: there's a scene where jay Z is playing chess and 728 00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,200 Speaker 3: they were saying that his chess moves, they were like 729 00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,719 Speaker 3: analyzing his chest moves. And I was like, Yo, there's 730 00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,359 Speaker 3: so much that you could research. And I'm sure all 731 00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,560 Speaker 3: those little pieces, knowing Beyonce being a perfectionist, all those 732 00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,320 Speaker 3: little pieces probably had some type of significance, you know 733 00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:40,719 Speaker 3: what I mean. So there's so much that you could 734 00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:44,040 Speaker 3: dive into. So yeah, girl, that is what came up 735 00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:45,480 Speaker 3: for me as I tuned in. 736 00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:49,120 Speaker 1: I think at the bottom line is that people should 737 00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:54,920 Speaker 1: check it out right and come to their own conclusions. 738 00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:58,279 Speaker 1: Like we said at the beginning, that it's a work 739 00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:04,520 Speaker 1: of art and art is meant to generate conversation. So hopefully, lady, 740 00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:09,719 Speaker 1: as you are listening to us, if you haven't seen 741 00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:13,640 Speaker 1: it yet, or maybe now if you've seen it, maybe 742 00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,480 Speaker 1: now you want to go back and revisit it based 743 00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:20,640 Speaker 1: on listening to the things that we've discussed today. But again, 744 00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:24,520 Speaker 1: I think the bottom line is that we can all 745 00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,719 Speaker 1: appreciate that it truly is a work of art and 746 00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:30,600 Speaker 1: is a conversation starter. 747 00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:35,480 Speaker 5: Hey, lady, it's Terry here from the heir Space podcast, 748 00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,400 Speaker 5: and I have some exciting news for you. 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Please note 758 00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:16,920 Speaker 1: that our show may contain conversations about self help, advice, 759 00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:20,680 Speaker 1: self empowerment, and mental health, but it is by no 760 00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,120 Speaker 1: means meant to be a substitute for an ongoing formal 761 00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:28,920 Speaker 1: relationship with a trained mental health provider. If you are 762 00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,880 Speaker 1: someone you know is in need of mental health care, 763 00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:36,520 Speaker 1: please visit the Therapy for Black Girls directory Psychology today 764 00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:38,960 Speaker 1: or contact your insurance provider. 765 00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:41,200 Speaker 3: If you liked what you heard and want to keep 766 00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,600 Speaker 3: the conversation going, connect with us on Facebook, Instagram, and 767 00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:49,600 Speaker 3: Twitter at her Space podcast, or check out our website 768 00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,919 Speaker 3: at herspace podcast dot com. And before we meet again, 769 00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:57,640 Speaker 3: repeat after me. I am not limited by any past thinking. 770 00:47:58,400 --> 00:47:59,960 Speaker 3: I choose my thoughts with care. 771 00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:05,319 Speaker 1: We'll see you next week, lady