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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Wake and Jake, a special postseason edition.

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Speaker 1: We are joined by Foolish Bailey BBD is here. I'm

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Speaker 1: Jake store Eli. Should I say that more at Talkin' Jake?

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Speaker 1: Follow a lot of Instagram posts shout out to Padre's fans,

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Speaker 1: Ryan Cohen.

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Speaker 2: The postseason is here. We're excited.

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Speaker 1: We've talked about a lot we did last last episode

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Speaker 1: here talking baseball. So when I was talking to Bailey,

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Speaker 1: and this is where he's different, built completely different, he said,

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about some of the rookies. So

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Speaker 1: we're going to talk about the rookies. And I'm excited

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Speaker 1: to see how you chopped them up and landed and

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Speaker 1: how you want to sort this out. And I do

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Speaker 1: want to start with just some general excitement for the

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Speaker 1: playoffs and your braves and whatever else you're looking for

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Speaker 1: this October.

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Speaker 2: So how you doing, Bailey.

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Speaker 3: I'm doing fine, But as a Brace fan, I can't

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Speaker 3: say I'm necessarily having a good time, to be honest

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Speaker 3: with you. I mean, they're in the playof that's great.

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Speaker 3: It's the seventh year in a row. There are fans

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Speaker 3: of teams everywhere that would kill to be in the

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Speaker 3: playoffs seven years in a row. You know, they would

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Speaker 3: kill to see their team win a World Series in

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Speaker 3: their lifetime, which is something the Braves did for me

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Speaker 3: just three years ago. But it just doesn't feel right.

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Speaker 3: The way it happened just doesn't quite sit right with me.

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Speaker 3: I didn't enjoy the doubleheader one bit. I thought maybe

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Speaker 3: I was gonna get to watch the first game and

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Speaker 3: then take the second game off like the rest of

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Speaker 3: the team did. I was gonna, you know, maybe get

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Speaker 3: some work done. Instead, I spent basically seven hours on

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Speaker 3: the couch, just in excruciating pain throughout both games. And

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Speaker 3: I feel, and I gotta say, you know, I feel

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Speaker 3: bad for your snakes. I feel genuinely bad for your snakes.

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Speaker 3: I don't feel you. Look, at the end of the day,

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Speaker 3: you gotta win the games to get in right, you know,

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Speaker 3: And that you know, even came down to head to

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Speaker 3: head tiebreakers for them versus like the Mets and the

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Speaker 3: Braves to some extent, that was definitely a factor into

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Speaker 3: this playoff race at the very end. But look like

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Speaker 3: they score more runs than anybody. They had some intriguing

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Speaker 3: bullpen arms like Martinez and Puck that they didn't have

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Speaker 3: necessarily as part of the run last year, they would

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Speaker 3: have been a more they would have been a more

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Speaker 3: interesting playoff team than I think either of the teams

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Speaker 3: that got in via the double header, to be honest

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Speaker 3: with you, certainly more so than the Braves, probably more

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Speaker 3: so than the Mets. And so I'm just kind of

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Speaker 3: bummed by it. And I'm bummed too because it felt

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Speaker 3: like from the get go that the that the split,

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Speaker 3: the double header split where both teams that get in,

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Speaker 3: was inevitable, and I think that yesterday was actually a

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Speaker 3: good test of that because it was actually the perfect

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Speaker 3: script were there to be a sweep, because the Braves

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Speaker 3: used every high leverage reliever in Game one, and then

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Speaker 3: they had Chris Sale scratched for Game two, so all

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Speaker 3: everything was lined up beautifully for the double header sweep

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Speaker 3: to somehow happen for a team that didn't care to

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Speaker 3: somehow beat a team that does care, and it still

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Speaker 3: didn't happen. The Braves won three to nothing. It was

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Speaker 3: totally unconvincing. I'm not conspiratorial to the point where I'll

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Speaker 3: say the Mets through the game because maybe they liked

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Speaker 3: the seeding better or the travel situation better, but They

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Speaker 3: clearly weren't, just from a strategy perspective, trying they're trying

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Speaker 3: to win the World Series. They weren't trying to win

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Speaker 3: Game one sixty two after they qualified via Game one

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Speaker 3: sixty one. And that was very apparent when they had

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Speaker 3: Joey Lukesey throwing one hundred and eight pitches yesterday, when

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Speaker 3: he maxed out ninety four in the miners all year.

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Speaker 3: That's just not right when Brandon Nimmo, the King of Hustle,

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Speaker 3: is not hustling down the first baseline to make it

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Speaker 3: runs on first and second, no outs in the ninth inning.

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Speaker 3: So it like, yes, great, I like the Braves were

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Speaker 3: in the playoffs. It doesn't have that twenty twenty one

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Speaker 3: feel to it. The twenty twenty one team got hot

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Speaker 3: at the end. There, they were coming in hot into

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Speaker 3: the postseason. This team basically had a great start to

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Speaker 3: the season when everyone was healthy, and they've played five

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Speaker 3: hundred orderline below five hundred ball the rest of the way.

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Speaker 3: You know, the twenty twenty one team was missing a Kunya.

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Speaker 3: This year's team is missing a Kunya and Riley and Stryder.

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Speaker 3: You know, yeah, I mean basically there's there's two ways

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Speaker 3: this can go. They'll either you know, get past the

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Speaker 3: absolutely skunked by the Padres. You know, I don't think

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Speaker 3: there's any there's no middle point for them right now,

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Speaker 3: and so I'm gonna enjoy it. I'm gona enjoy plaoff baseball.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna enjoy the fact that, even if they lose

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Speaker 3: playoff baseball, my team has given me a World Series

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Speaker 3: within my lifetime, which is pretty much anything you can

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Speaker 3: ask for as a fan. You know, it seems greedy

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Speaker 3: to want to possibly want more than that, but yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'm just a little bit perplexed by the entire situation,

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Speaker 3: and I wish, uh there there was just more excitement

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Speaker 3: about this general Braves team, but I just don't necessarily

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Speaker 3: have it right now. We'll see maybe by you know,

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Speaker 3: the time the West Coast game kicks off tonight, I'll

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Speaker 1: Yeah, It's it's a great point, Bailey, because I again,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm Diamondbacks adjacent.

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Speaker 2: I'm like part of the family. I'm there.

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm the Arizona's like weird Italian cousin that lives

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Speaker 1: in the city and shows up Uncle Eddie's style every

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Speaker 1: other holiday. Yeah, they kind of got screwed a little bit,

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Speaker 1: But we keep doing all this the sports talk of like, well,

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Speaker 1: you know, they limped in down the stretch, they could

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Speaker 1: have decided their own fate, And it is true, but

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Speaker 1: you know, we essentially had two teams yesterday that kind

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Speaker 1: of didn't decide their own fate in that last game, Like,

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Speaker 1: you're right, the Mets were swinging and not hustling and

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Speaker 1: not going to use their good pitchers.

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Speaker 2: And that's over one sixty two.

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Speaker 1: With the new playoff format and how we're trying to

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Speaker 1: do this whole thing, it's kinda it's kind of not fair,

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Speaker 1: but everyone is going to hang on the old sports analogy, like,

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Speaker 1: you know, we could have controlled their own fate and

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Speaker 1: we could have won more this last week. How many

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Speaker 1: games did we leave out there this season? That? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think the other thing, the only thing I would

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Speaker 1: Diamondbacks of last year, when you say that they could

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Speaker 1: than the Braves or the Mets, that could change instantly,

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Speaker 1: Like if the Mets have the sauce and their funky

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Speaker 1: any of these teams can do it. And I guess

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Speaker 1: it's kind of one of the problems with this new

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Speaker 1: the World Series. The Snake's kind of embodied that last

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think maybe is the lesson that and look,

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Speaker 3: this never happens, is the less arether too many playoff teams?

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Speaker 3: You know, because I'm not sure if these Mets are

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Speaker 3: these braves. I'm not saying they can't win the World Series,

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Speaker 3: Like there's a difference between can you win the World

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Speaker 3: of it's a lot of small series, but do you

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Speaker 3: really deserve to be in the postseason. You know, that's

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Speaker 3: even you could say the same thing about last year's

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Speaker 3: you want to score more runs than your opponents, right,

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Speaker 3: they didn't do that. So but you know, and and

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Speaker 3: and as someone who like you know, cares about the

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Speaker 3: but at the same time, I just lament that it

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Speaker 3: never in the history of in the professional sports has

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Speaker 3: it ever seened like a league has said, you know,

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Speaker 3: what we need is less teams in the playoffs and

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Speaker 3: less playoff games because everything's money and playoff shares and

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Speaker 3: blah blah blah. And I hate it because the playoffs,

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Speaker 3: no matter what, just for the rest of our lives,

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Speaker 3: they're just gonna keep getting a little bit bigger. You know,

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Speaker 3: NBA play in tournament, another wild card team in the NFL.

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Speaker 3: It's just like it's just everything. They're gonna they're gonna

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Speaker 3: be two more playoff spots. You know that that's just

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Speaker 3: I just hate it. I really don't like it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, who runs the world? Girls, Beyonce, I'll tell you

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Speaker 1: that obviously. And then it's money man, And I mean, look.

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Speaker 2: At look at the state of college football.

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Speaker 1: Just turn on turn on a Saturday these days and

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Speaker 1: into the new college football game because it was the

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Speaker 1: game I probably played the most growing up. And I

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Speaker 1: this is kind of hype Arizona State, Like this is

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Speaker 2: Twelve schedule and I was like, what the fuck? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's uh, money rules the world?

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Speaker 1: And yeah, I I do think baseball is going to

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Speaker 1: have to adjust this format and I currently don't know

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Speaker 1: the answer. And maybe it My god, you less regular

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Speaker 1: I don't know, because then you're never gonna do that

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Speaker 1: because then you can't chase the records of baseball. But

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Speaker 1: I think we're gonna have more time to discuss that

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Speaker 1: at a later date. Sure, Lo, what I guess, is

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Speaker 1: there anything else you're eyeing this postseason?

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Speaker 2: But I know that's such a broad question.

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Speaker 1: I know you want to talk about the rookies and

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be cool to see Jackson Merrill on this

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Speaker 1: stage and Cowser and I know the Wit and Gunner

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Speaker 1: have graduated obviously, but that's that's fun. Like there's something

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Speaker 1: beautiful about those two uniforms and two shortstops that brings

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Speaker 1: me back to when I was a little girl, seeing

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Speaker 1: Jeter and Nomar out there and all that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 1: I guess, is there anything else? Like me and Trev

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Speaker 1: were laughing, we wrapped up talking baseball by doing like

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Speaker 1: giving our picks, and that's you know again, it's such

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Speaker 1: a losing process at this point. Shout out to Ben Verlander,

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Speaker 1: who pitched a reverse perfect.

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Speaker 2: Game the other year. But don't know, we don't laugh

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Speaker 2: at that. We support our Brotherren, But uh, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I guess it's just all the storylines, Like, I man,

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Speaker 1: La to tee it up again, and how cool that

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Speaker 1: God if Houston and the Yankees somehow find a way

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I guess it's a bad open ended question

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Speaker 1: that if there's anything you'd like to say, feel free.

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Speaker 3: If not, yeah, here's here's what I'll say. And with

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Speaker 2: So, Bailey, where are you going to lead us today?

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Speaker 3: I guess we'll start with what people want to hear,

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Speaker 3: the National League. I feel bad for Jackson Merrill. I

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Speaker 3: even you know, Jack had more played appearances than Paul

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Speaker 3: I think it's more open ended than that.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, Like like you're saying, like you know,

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Speaker 1: that it turns into Cowcer versus Wells, which I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's just some.

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Speaker 2: Good baseball conversation.

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Speaker 1: Your catcher cleaning up for the Yankees, a guy that

435
00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:25,680
Speaker 1: stabilized a lot of stuff for the Orioles through different

436
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Speaker 1: parts of the year.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think Cowser's getting it, and I do think

438
00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,080
Speaker 3: it'll end up being one of the less impressive Rookie

439
00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,280
Speaker 3: of the Year winners we've seen in recent years. And

440
00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:38,800
Speaker 3: my take on that is that's fine. I think maybe

441
00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:41,480
Speaker 3: we've gotten a little spoiled lately. I think maybe we

442
00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,400
Speaker 3: need a rookie class like this every now and then,

443
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Speaker 3: just to really appreciate when a when a Julio comes

444
00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,880
Speaker 3: along or a Corbyn Carrol comes along, like someone who's

445
00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:54,280
Speaker 3: like so obviously great, you know. So I think it's

446
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,760
Speaker 3: Kowser for me. Wells, I think the for him, the

447
00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,320
Speaker 3: rate stats offensively kind of went down there that last

448
00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:01,479
Speaker 3: month or so season. I think that maybe it may

449
00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,760
Speaker 3: have knocked him out as well. And actually, for me,

450
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Speaker 3: like if I were filling out my Rookie of the

451
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:10,080
Speaker 3: Year ballot, I'd probably put heel ahead of Wells. And

452
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Speaker 3: we talked about this, but you know, if heal is

453
00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,040
Speaker 3: such a classic case of if you just if the

454
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,800
Speaker 3: first half happened in the second half. This is an

455
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Speaker 3: incredible narrative we built for ourselves. So and and you know,

456
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:23,880
Speaker 3: I'll say this with regards to you know, the playoff

457
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,640
Speaker 3: teams in the playoff races as well, Like I think

458
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:28,639
Speaker 3: what happens when you have a team like the Diamondbacks

459
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:34,120
Speaker 3: that you know just barely misses out. You start thinking, oh, man,

460
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,840
Speaker 3: if only we hadn't lost that last series to the Padres,

461
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,600
Speaker 3: or oh we had that big lead in that game

462
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,919
Speaker 3: versus Milwaukee in September and then we blew it. No

463
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,320
Speaker 3: one ever thinks about April. The games in April count

464
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,520
Speaker 3: the same as they do in the standings at the

465
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Speaker 3: end of the day. And there's so many like like,

466
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:53,919
Speaker 3: you know, you can hear it from Julio himself. Julio,

467
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,439
Speaker 3: you know, will the Mariners get close and he every

468
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Speaker 3: I think probably these last couple of years, he thought

469
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Speaker 3: to himself, if I chose gotten a little bit hotter

470
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 3: in April and May, we're probably in you know. And

471
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 3: that's a lot of pressure to put on him. But

472
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 3: that's the truth, is that a game in April and

473
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 3: May counts the same in the standings at the end

474
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Speaker 3: of the years, the ones in September and I sometimes

475
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,920
Speaker 3: I feel like we don't necessarily recognize that, but I digress.

476
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Speaker 3: Luis Hill would be U ahead of Wells. For me,

477
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Speaker 3: I think Cowser would be number one. I do really

478
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Speaker 3: want to shout out White Langford. I think it because

479
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 3: because Evan Carter it was bad, he got hurt, it

480
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 3: was bad. White Langford very quietly got his season back

481
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Speaker 3: to basically what was projected for him.

482
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Speaker 1: He had.

483
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Speaker 3: He finished with a one eleven oh ps plus. He

484
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:38,119
Speaker 3: was like a three war guy. He nearly one dotted

485
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,359
Speaker 3: in the September eight. He had eight home runs in

486
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Speaker 3: September to really boost up the stats. But if you

487
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Speaker 3: really honestly right now, if you compare Kowser to Langford,

488
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 3: they're not that far apart statistically. It's the it's the truth.

489
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 3: Cowser's got you know, Cowser's on a like a fun

490
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Speaker 3: team that's in the playoffs, and and Langford can't necessarily

491
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Speaker 3: say that, but I think, I think I hope Langford

492
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Speaker 3: finishes hot in the voting. I wouldn't expect him to

493
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Speaker 3: factor in, you know, getting a bunch of first place votes,

494
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 3: but I hope he gets the recognition. And the other

495
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,359
Speaker 3: guy I'll shout out is Mason Miller still because you know,

496
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 3: he was very much part of this conversation first couple

497
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Speaker 3: months of the season. And what I would say is,

498
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 3: in some regards, Mason Miller's season as a reliever is

499
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,479
Speaker 3: about as rare as Kowser's season as a left fielder,

500
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:31,399
Speaker 3: if that makes sense, Like like he is too relievers,

501
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,879
Speaker 3: you know, Askowser is to left fielders. I don't know

502
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 3: if I can, you know, make that any more clear,

503
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,680
Speaker 3: but I guess the point is, you know, he's worth

504
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Speaker 3: taking a look at to some degree just because he

505
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,199
Speaker 3: was so electric and so fun. So if I were

506
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Speaker 3: being like a contrarian voter, he's a guy I would

507
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Speaker 3: considered giving a first place vote too.

508
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Speaker 2: Yeah, whyat Langford?

509
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Speaker 1: And so I I wanna te this up by saying

510
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Speaker 1: that part of me is the p here and I

511
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Speaker 1: think in the right way. If Wyat Langford had done

512
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Speaker 1: this on say the Tigers, Whyatt Langford might have a

513
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Speaker 1: Rookie of the Year campaign, like come in his way.

514
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Speaker 2: Now it's very different.

515
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Speaker 1: He played on a Texas Rangers team that the season ended,

516
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Speaker 1: and I'm happy he finished this way that if he

517
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Speaker 1: had done this on the Tigers, he basically would have

518
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Speaker 1: been their second.

519
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,160
Speaker 2: Best player, third best player.

520
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Speaker 1: And with his pedigree and them making the poseas and like, yes,

521
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 1: that does change things. So but it is funny just

522
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 1: to put it through that scope of you're right, we

523
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Speaker 1: forget the earlier of the year stuff matters. And I

524
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:43,919
Speaker 1: don't know if it's a problem with baseball, Like I

525
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 1: let the Mets and Brewers. They played the first series

526
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Speaker 1: of the year and they played their last series of

527
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,360
Speaker 1: the year in games that didn't matter to the Brewers,

528
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Speaker 1: And think about how far the Mets have come from

529
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,160
Speaker 1: their like zero to five lol Mets star. So it's

530
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Speaker 1: just it's a tough thing to juggle in baseball of like,

531
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Speaker 1: how how do we do that? Where yeah, luis heill

532
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Speaker 1: uh he he screwed up his order there and I,

533
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Speaker 1: you know, as I'll get in front of this one

534
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 1: for you, Bailey as BBD's got our Yankee pinstripes on,

535
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 1: well you're a brave Has there ever been a more

536
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Speaker 1: a guy with a good start in a baseball town that,

537
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Speaker 1: for whatever reason, he's like an afterthought?

538
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Speaker 2: I don't I what's happening there?

539
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, that's really interesting thought. He is good.

540
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Speaker 2: He's good.

541
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Speaker 3: He is good. Yeah, he's good. He yeah. No, and

542
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Speaker 3: he it's not like he was like a total nobody

543
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 3: prospect either, you know. Yeah, yeah, no, that's a that's

544
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Speaker 3: a good thought. I had him sort of the you know,

545
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Speaker 3: another vote getter, like he'll you know, he'll have a

546
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Speaker 3: nice R O Y or or five or whatever on

547
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,919
Speaker 3: his baseball reference page in a few weeks here. But yeah, no,

548
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 3: that's that's intriguing too. Not a lot of national attention

549
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 3: for him. I don't know, if you know, the the

550
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 3: entire sort of Red Sox team kind of fell off

551
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Speaker 3: these last couple of months. I think maybe if they'd

552
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,400
Speaker 3: stayed a little bit more relevant in the playoffs, maybe

553
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 3: he would have gotten a little more love.

554
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:17,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's uh, it's interesting. Mason wyn Man. I like

555
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 1: him a lot. Let's let's see how the offensive profile grows,

556
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 1: and let's see if Heim turns it around. How about

557
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: that him and busting Posey stealing headlines yesterday?

558
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 3: Yeah that, you know, right, and right before uh the

559
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 3: doubleheader kickoff, the everyone was like, hey, here's something really weird.

560
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 3: The him, the him one is honestly weirder because I've

561
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 3: never I can't even think of a time where this

562
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 3: has happened where it's like, yeah, he's taken over later,

563
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,400
Speaker 3: you know, like that's so weird, you know.

564
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Speaker 1: So uh, okay, not to go old man on YouTube,

565
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 1: but the whole world's fake. Like I don't well, I

566
00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 1: don't know, man, Like go go look at the guys

567
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: never mind never mind, not gonna do it.

568
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 3: Hmm, censoring him. He was about to drop some truth

569
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 3: on us. Oh go look, you know the powers.

570
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: That be this this playoff season. Go look at the

571
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 1: people on the Fox Baseball desk. It's a Rod, it's Poppy,

572
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 1: it's Frank.

573
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 3: There's about two thousand Homers at that desk, and yeah, like,

574
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 3: good for them.

575
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,679
Speaker 1: They are stars of the game. And like, I don't know,

576
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 1: I think the executives at Fox just like the fact

577
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 1: that they show up to some corporate events and they

578
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: get to call them friends, Like I don't know, Like

579
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 1: that's kind of how the world works sometimes whatever old

580
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: man can leave us alone, Let's talk about more rookies.

581
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Speaker 2: So where to next, Bailey?

582
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: You you have you have a category of rookies you've

583
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 1: never heard of, which, hey, man, respect the waken Jake

584
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: sports people.

585
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 2: We get in the weeds. I did, should that be

586
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 2: the new motto?

587
00:28:58,800 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 3: Uh?

588
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 2: Kind of a double entendre?

589
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 1: And then you have a you have a ton of

590
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: other stuff here, so again, go for it.

591
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a segment I'm gonna quickly do called

592
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 3: the best Rookies You've Never heard of? And it's sort

593
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 3: of descending, right, because there's levels to this. So I'll

594
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 3: start with Tyler Fitzgerald of the Giants, ended up with

595
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 3: a three f four season, played some short stop, played

596
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 3: I think some center field, let me get that right,

597
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 3: kind of played all over some center field, some second base,

598
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 3: some left field in there. For mister Tyler Fitzgerald made

599
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 3: headlines basically because he had like a I guess with

600
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 3: the kids call Lisanity run. For about a one month

601
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 3: span there he slugged eight seventy, which is I wrote

602
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 3: not a typo for that. He had eleven home runs

603
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 3: and eighty six played appearances within the span of about

604
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 3: a month. Not that much else beyond that, but still

605
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 3: like around that time, he was like right at the

606
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 3: top of the Rookie War leader board because of that,

607
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 3: like even up there with Merrill and Skiings, So color

608
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 3: me intrigued. Next, we'll move on to a guy who

609
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 3: had an extremely impressive season, but the only reason he

610
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 3: might not have heard of him is because people don't

611
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 3: often pay attention to relievers that aren't closers. And that

612
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 3: is gonna be Cleveland's Kate Smith, part of The Guardian's

613
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 3: Mega Bullpen. And Yeah, the one thing that stood out

614
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 3: to me he had the low He has the lowest

615
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 3: FIP among any pitcher with at least thirty innings pitched

616
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Speaker 3: in the majors. Like that's crazy, Like the ratios in

617
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 3: the strikeouts and the home runs and the walks. Let

618
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 3: me get this right, he struck out thirty six percent

619
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Speaker 3: of the batters he faced, only walked six percent of them.

620
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 3: And what is this like one homer allowed all year?

621
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Speaker 3: So uh, that's pretty crazy to think about. That's pretty

622
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 3: crazy ratios right there. So that's sort of the second

623
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Speaker 3: level and then the third level. You know, if I

624
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 3: haven't stumped you, Waking Jake viewers at home, I'm gonna

625
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 3: tell you what team guy plays four in a second.

626
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 3: But Dane Myers, do you know who he plays for?

627
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 3: Awaken Jake listeners, please say the team out loud, But

628
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 3: bah bah it's the Miami Marlins.

629
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Speaker 2: Lee Miami.

630
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Speaker 3: I I was. I was on Dane Myers preseason. That's

631
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 3: that is how much of a sicko I am.

632
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: Well, Dudeley, I don't want to cut you off too

633
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: much of the past, but this is this is a

634
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: name for the sickos. Like you know what I'm saying.

635
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: Dane Myers. I remember him being a prospect. You know,

636
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: it's drafted twenty seventeen. That how how do we end

637
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: up here?

638
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 3: Well, how we ended up here is part of the

639
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 3: intrigue because he was drafted in the Rule five by

640
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 3: Miami I think from Detroit, but not the major league portion,

641
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 3: the minor league portion. You do not see that very often.

642
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 3: You do not see a big leaguer of any relevance

643
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 3: drafted in the minor league portion of the Rule five draft.

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00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 3: Very often. That's what happened with Dane Myers came up.

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00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 3: I think they viewed with them a little bit in

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Speaker 3: twenty three, but in twenty four. This year, just kind

647
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 3: of intriguing numbers across the board.

648
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 2: Again.

649
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 3: It's it's he only had one hundred played appearances, but

650
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 3: he was above average hitter. And you know, he's twenty

651
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 3: eight years old. But I was just kind of intrigued

652
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 3: by I looked at the stat cast. He has good

653
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 3: barrel rate, he has good chase rate, contact could be better.

654
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 3: He has a cannon of an arm. He's fast, Like

655
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 3: there's just there's he's a good athlete, you know, and

656
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 3: so there's just a little bit of intrigue there, especially

657
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 3: in a place like Miami where there are opportunities to

658
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 3: win playing time if you have the talent. So that's

659
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 3: that's my total. You probably haven't heard of Dane Meyers.

660
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 3: If you are, you're a sicko on the level of me.

661
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 3: And uh yeah, those are my three best rookies you've

662
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:39,239
Speaker 3: never heard of?

663
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, Tyler Fitzgerald. I surprised to see where the season

664
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: end numbers landed, Like good, good for you, dude. Was

665
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: it fifteen homers? Seventeen stolen bases, eight thirty one oh

666
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: ps ninety six games played. That walk to strikeout ratio

667
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: make makes me a little nervous and makes you, uh,

668
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: you know, for the next steps. Let's see what happens. God,

669
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: I just I started making the joke this year. I

670
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: mean Giants player generator between Tyler Fitzgerald and who's the

671
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: kid who was playing Grant McCrae.

672
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just like, what come on, guys?

673
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 3: Every now and then you see a Wade Meckler and

674
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 3: you're like, what are we doing here?

675
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: So funny enough, Wade Meckler, the first ever blitz.

676
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 2: Ball boy, uh to take it to the big leagues.

677
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 3: Wow?

678
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we're we're all in on Wade Meckler.

679
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 3: He's part of your coaching tree.

680
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

681
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: It's uh, it's kind of crazy. Uh Yeah. The the inventor,

682
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: the creator, Aaron of blitz ball was like, yeah, Wade Meckler,

683
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: watch out. And I was like what And then yeah,

684
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 1: there's videos of him as like a sixteen year old

685
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: just cranking blitz balls a decade ago.

686
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

687
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 1: The uh uh interested in Tyler Fitzgerald. I believe in competition.

688
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: I think baseball's gotten too far away from competition and

689
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: the him and Marco Luciano stuff that I think kind

690
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 1: of actually came to.

691
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 2: A visual forefront.

692
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: I like that, like play ball, come get the position,

693
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: like you play well, you get to play like we

694
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 1: sometimes we've come so far away from that in this sport,

695
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: which is just like bizarre.

696
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 2: Dane Myers.

697
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 1: I just hope something hitting wise ever breaks in the

698
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 1: Marlins direction, because I hitting's fun to watch, and I

699
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: feel like Marlins fans haven't gotten to good watch good

700
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 1: hitting since.

701
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 2: What blank like.

702
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,760
Speaker 1: John Carlow, like what yes, like Giancarlo yell at Jozuna.

703
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: I guess they had that tight window there and then

704
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: they sold them for parts. And yeah, Kate Smith, I

705
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 1: guess maybe this is where I'm too close to the situation.

706
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,839
Speaker 1: That's seeing how the Guardian have done this this year,

707
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 1: knowing how much a part of the ride h he

708
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: has been. Yeah, I don't know, Tyler Fitzgerald's thrown me

709
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 1: off right now, because I don't know if I want

710
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 1: to buy stock or if I just look at those

711
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 1: numbers and be like, I've seen baseball do this too

712
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:16,720
Speaker 1: many times.

713
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm kind of in the ladder camp, but I'm

714
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 3: still intrigued.

715
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, we're to next.

716
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 3: Anything on the sheet interests you by any chance?

717
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: Oh well, I think this is a good topic that

718
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: baseball people would like to hear that you have. Should

719
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,800
Speaker 1: the NPB, KB O CNS guys be eligible for Rookie

720
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: of the Year. It's a good conversation, right, because we

721
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 1: we clearly don't grade them on that scale. Otherwise we

722
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: would have had uh you know, I think another Yankee

723
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: one was a HITDECKI that that that didn't get the

724
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: Rookie of the Year. I'm forgetting how it happened, but

725
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: you know that these are guys that have been pros

726
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 1: that we we don't them on the same scale that

727
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,439
Speaker 1: you know showed him a Naga had a great year

728
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: this year.

729
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 2: And yeah, like I guess if this was.

730
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 1: A neutral, neutral Rookie of the year, would he outdo

731
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: schemes because he has a full season.

732
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 3: I was having that thought, and to be honest with you,

733
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 3: to be honest with you, if I was voting, I'd

734
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 3: probably say yeah, because it's just uh, well it's like

735
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,959
Speaker 3: forty more innings, right you know. So yeah, there's something

736
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 3: you said about that.

737
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I I don't have the answer because I mean

738
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: I feel bizarre if we just do a like you

739
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 1: you listed here, so this isn't shots fired at you,

740
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,879
Speaker 1: but like a best Newcomer award, I don't know if

741
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: they still have Rookie of the Year and they have that,

742
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 1: and there's like one year where there's one guy that

743
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: comes over that's like a ends up being a util

744
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: guy with a six seventy seven ops and a point

745
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 1: five warrant. It's like, well, welcome, welcome to our best

746
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: newcomer junk Jung Ho Kang.

747
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:01,720
Speaker 2: What's he up to? Did he get in trouble?

748
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: You think?

749
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 3: Oh no, I was gonna say, yeah, that was a

750
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 3: while ago.

751
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: Though, yeah either way that yeah, I don't know what

752
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: to do. It's it's a mental it's a good mental

753
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 1: exercise for society because I don't think there is a

754
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: good answer.

755
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm starting to lean know, to be honest with you,

756
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:25,320
Speaker 3: I mean because for partially for some of the reasons

757
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 3: you just described, like if like if Y'ama Moto pitches

758
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 3: a full season, like how does that even factor in there?

759
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:33,879
Speaker 3: I mean even Nanga had a wonderful year, and it's

760
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 3: like how could how could a uh you know, a

761
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 3: college arm compete with them if if they're if they're

762
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 3: gonna max out one twenty or one thirty in the

763
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 3: rookie season, and those guys are come over and throw

764
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,479
Speaker 3: one eighty. You know. Yeah, so I think that's tough,

765
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 3: and I think, you know, I like I I used

766
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 3: to be like, I don't understand why everyone hymns and

767
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 3: hawes about this. You know, uh if you know O

768
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 3: Tani wins or you know, for example. But but now

769
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 3: I'm like, I think part of respecting the league and

770
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,280
Speaker 3: part of respecting the level that they play at would

771
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 3: be not including those players and Rookie of the Year

772
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,879
Speaker 3: discussions and saying, hey, you're a grown man coming over

773
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 3: from a grown man league, playing a grown man sport.

774
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 3: You don't have to be considered a Rookie of the

775
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 3: Year eligible, you know.

776
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean maybe if you don't want to go

777
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: a step further, you could do like an age thing

778
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: and do like twenty six and under if they made

779
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,320
Speaker 1: up over here and they have a great season. But yeah,

780
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: I yeah, I think I think it ends up being

781
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: sort of sort of moot.

782
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 2: You know. I don't like to say that.

783
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 1: What I think I'm more interested in this the preseason

784
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: top ten and it kind of starts off with a bang,

785
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: and it leads into your second topic, Jackson Holiday. Yeah,

786
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,720
Speaker 1: we came a long way from you know, you guys

787
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,359
Speaker 1: know who his dad is, and he grew he grew

788
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: up with a bad engage, and he's the next one

789
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: to like whoa, whoa, oh baseball, baseball gets pretty real

790
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: pretty quick. Where are you at with them?

791
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 3: I think I'm probably a little bit more negative on

792
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 3: him than a lot of people would be. And I'll

793
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 3: tell you why, because you know, and look, this is

794
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 3: what I'm about to describe to you is not a

795
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 3: bad thing. But when a really young layer comes up

796
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,919
Speaker 3: and he struggles, it is shrugged off. Every single time.

797
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 3: Everyone says he's young, they'll figure it out. Ah, he's young,

798
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 3: you'll figure out, they'll do it. You know, he's twenty now,

799
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 3: they'll do it when he's twenty one. They'll do it

800
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 3: when he's twenty two. If he's still not good bye,

801
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 3: then ah he's young. And that's like the you know,

802
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 3: in the public sphere, like, yes, I get it, that

803
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 3: makes perfect sense, but that is just the prevailing opinion.

804
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 3: And anyone who you know feels otherwise. Who would maybe

805
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 3: downgrade their expectations long term for this player, saying, ah,

806
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,359
Speaker 3: it's a small sample, he's twenty years old, what's wrong

807
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 3: with you? Ya sicko. But the thing is, sometimes those

808
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 3: guys just don't figure it out. It's true, they just

809
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 3: don't figure it out. And so I am slightly downgrading

810
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 3: the well, now I'm not mean, I am downgrading the

811
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 3: long term expectations for Jackson Holiday based on a two

812
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 3: hundred played appearance sample when he was twenty, like, And

813
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 3: people are going to say that's crazy to do, but

814
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 3: I think if you look at it sort of historically, right, like,

815
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 3: So I did a stat head search here since two

816
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 3: thousand and I looked for rookie seasons with at least

817
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 3: two hundred plate appearances and a below six hundred ops.

818
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 3: Seventy three guys did that. Really, only three of them

819
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 3: became what I would call a really good player Brandon Phillips,

820
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 3: Brand Crawford, Hobby Bias. And I think for a guy

821
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 3: in Jackson Holiday's position, you can fall into what I

822
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 3: call the Kelnick thing, which is, this is what people

823
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 3: did with Jared Kelnick. Oh he came up and he

824
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 3: did bad. Now I'll be great next year, don't worry

825
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 3: about it. Oh he did bad again. Oh, it'll be

826
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 3: great the next year. And then all of a sudden,

827
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 3: you know, you know, at the trade deadline, we were

828
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 3: talking about, you know, in terms of cutting bait, we

829
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 3: were talking about trading Jackson Holiday for uh, you know,

830
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:02,280
Speaker 3: Terrek Skouoble for a cy Young triple crown winner mid season,

831
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 3: and uh, you know last off season, the the Mariner's

832
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 3: traded Hellnick to the Braves for nothing. Right, The only

833
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 3: difference there is like two more years, you know. So yeah,

834
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say, yes, I am kind of worried. I'm

835
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 3: probably more worried than you think I should be, but

836
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 3: you know, I'm just gonna it's because every time this happens,

837
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 3: the prevailing opinion is always going to be, yes, he's uh,

838
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 3: yes he struggled, but he's really young, and he's really talented,

839
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 3: and he's a really highly taled prospect and his dad's

840
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 3: Matt Holiday, so of course he's going to figure it out.

841
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 3: And sometimes those sure, you know, things to figure it

842
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 3: out don't always figure it out. And you know, people say, oh,

843
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 3: you have these expectations. Every rookie has to come up

844
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 3: and do great right away even though they're really young.

845
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:56,320
Speaker 3: But like you know, it's it's two hundred plate appearances,

846
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 3: it's something. It's some data. You know, you have to

847
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 3: you can draw some sort of conclusion from that data.

848
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna say long term, my expectations of Jackson

849
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 3: Holliday versus what they were on opening day have downgraded.

850
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 3: And so yeah, I am a little bit worried, especially

851
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 3: just with the situation being what it is in Baltimore

852
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 3: where they want to compete right away and they might

853
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,879
Speaker 3: not totally have the patients that he would actually need

854
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:23,760
Speaker 3: to develop into a great big leaguer.

855
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 1: It's an interesting combo. I mean, there's a there's a

856
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 1: part of me that just wants to old head you

857
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 1: and be like he's young that everything you're saying. And honestly,

858
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 1: the part that's hurting me and.

859
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 2: This is bizarre.

860
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 1: Uh he looks and feels so young like it it, Yes,

861
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 1: Like I don't know if that's me getting older or

862
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: if for a twenty year old because like I don't

863
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: know Jackson Merrill and maybe i'm too performance based it

864
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: both Jackson Chario like a Chario. We're doing our best

865
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: like he and again this could just be literally just

866
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,359
Speaker 1: pure face because he's got like those rosy cheeks on

867
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 1: Jackson Holiday.

868
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 2: But I don't know.

869
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 1: I think of Trev talking about some of the players

870
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: that when they used to come over from overseas and

871
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 1: they were just like everyone who's a.

872
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 2: Big leader, big leaguer is.

873
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 1: Built and like it's a physical sport without being a

874
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:31,720
Speaker 1: physical sport. That I think some of the some players

875
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 1: that used to come over from Asia used to be

876
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 1: overmatched by that because every night it was ninety five

877
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:40,360
Speaker 1: and a pitcher who was six five, two forty And like,

878
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: I guess that would be the only thing that I

879
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: would I would put as another caveat for Jackson Holiday.

880
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:55,399
Speaker 1: Of yeah, man, I uh, I can't rule a kid

881
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 1: out like that. I it's and I know you're not

882
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 1: ruling him out, but you're you're saying, like there there

883
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,879
Speaker 1: is data here that should be considered that a lot

884
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 1: of people won't. And I like, I think, I'm I

885
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: think I'm closer to the like I can't like it

886
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: just and maybe it's I just I'm too close to it.

887
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 1: But it is when you bring up Jared Kelnick and

888
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: like I didn't realize how ugly his year got at.

889
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 2: A certain point it.

890
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: These top prospects stop being top prospects. And yeah, almost

891
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: the quicker, the quicker you can get in front of it,

892
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: like like the better because the value does start to

893
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 1: change for.

894
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 3: Them, and it can change really rapidly.

895
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, god it it it's you know, for the people

896
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:51,280
Speaker 1: that are prospect heads, like how quickly, okay, MLB top prospects,

897
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 1: let's go twenty eighteen, you know, how quickly you go

898
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: from your going to be the guy to not? Twenty

899
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: eighteen which was random random show. Hey was one okay again,

900
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 1: interesting loophole.

901
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:07,479
Speaker 3: Their unique situation there.

902
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 2: Ronald cun You Junior.

903
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: Vladdy Guerrero, Sure, Eloy Jimenez, Glaber Torres, Victor Roblaz, Nick Senzel.

904
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:19,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a mixed bag.

905
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: It happens quick uh and in a lot of different ways,

906
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:27,280
Speaker 1: whether injury, whether maybe you were in the wrong spot,

907
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: Victor roe Blas Uh. Clabor's an interesting just conversation in general.

908
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 1: And that's followed by Tatisan Forrest Whitley. So like it's

909
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 1: where you go, it's where this sport can be a

910
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 1: disaster class that I don't know, I guess that it

911
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 1: would be very interesting to hear, like a real Orioles

912
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: conversation of if it's like tough and like oh hey

913
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,320
Speaker 1: Jackson Holiday, like he's gonna be okay, like listen to

914
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: you idiots talking about two hundred bats, or if like

915
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 1: they closed the door and it's like hey, like let's

916
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 1: like next spring training matters for him, like you know.

917
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 3: Right exactly? Yeah, that may be very well. The conversation

918
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 3: that's happening behind closed doors interesting.

919
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 2: What else do we need to check off?

920
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 3: I want to talk about just I want to skip

921
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 3: ahead to the best rookie teams because you know this

922
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 3: is we talk about we talk about Rookie of the Year.

923
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 3: It's an individual award. But there are some teams this

924
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 3: year that have just excelled because they've called up rookies

925
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 3: and they've had multiple guys be contributors.

926
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

927
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 1: I it's funny because the the last team on your

928
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 1: list here, I they feel like the sexiest team for

929
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 1: the twenty four to twenty five offseason. Like that, this

930
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: team is about to get a lot of steam, the

931
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: top team. It feels like the sport is being rude

932
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 1: to and we need to start treating them with the

933
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 1: respect of like prime Rays and they're not getting it.

934
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:03,320
Speaker 1: And then the middle one I'm attached to for different reasons,

935
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: So you.

936
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 2: Tee it up.

937
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, the top team is a playoff team. It is

938
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 3: the Milwaukee Brewers. We have, of course talked about Jackson Churio,

939
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 3: our favorite player whose last name we're one hundred percent

940
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 3: sure how to announce. And then but Joey Orti is

941
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 3: also a rookie for them. He was you know, he

942
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 3: was fun to watch this year. Man, I don't know

943
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 3: if you watched a lot of Joey Ortiz play, like,

944
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 3: especially on the defensive side. Just I really enjoyed watching

945
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 3: Joey Ortiz this year. I was surprised how much I

946
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 3: enjoyed watching Joey Ortiz this year. To be honest with you,

947
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 3: Tobias Myers sung his praises. I think in the last

948
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 3: episode we did as sort of the unsung hero of

949
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 3: the Milwaukee Brewers season, like guy who had bounced around organization, organization.

950
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 3: They pick him up and he's been key member of

951
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:52,800
Speaker 3: the rotation. And then Brian Hudson, I'm surprised, Abner Uribe's

952
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 3: Name's not here, but it's Brian Hudson, who is your

953
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 3: rookie Milwaukee Brewers, you know reliever who has really really

954
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 3: pressed throughout the entire season. So those four I think

955
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:08,800
Speaker 3: represent probably the best overall contributions from rookies on any

956
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 3: major league team. You've got like the fun mix of

957
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 3: you know, future slash maybe even present face of the franchise,

958
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 3: Jackson Churio. You have Joey Ortiz, you have to buy Smyers,

959
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 3: you have Brian Hudson. There's a lot to enjoy here,

960
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 3: and we'll get to enjoy more of them in the postseason.

961
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 1: Brian Hudson man could could be a big talking point

962
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:32,399
Speaker 1: this October. That dude I mentioned guys you don't see

963
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: until the major league level, Like he's listed six eight

964
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 1: two twenty and he throws it feels like his arm

965
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: comes through his body when he throws. Yeah, I'm not

966
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:47,879
Speaker 1: sure what you do with that when you're hitting. Yeah, man,

967
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 1: the Brewers are the class of the NL Central, and

968
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: maybe the Guardians should be the better comparison to them.

969
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: Like I feel like we have this Guardian's kind of

970
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:01,320
Speaker 1: thing built up. Maybe it came from the Lindor trade,

971
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: Like how can you trade a player like that? And

972
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:06,760
Speaker 1: yet they somewhat rebuilt this thing on the fly without

973
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: payroll and seemingly a lot of talent everywhere. That's it's

974
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 1: kind of what the Brewers are doing. And Churio seeing

975
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 1: some of his second half numbers, you're like, oh, shoot,

976
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: like that speaking of being twenty to twenty one, and

977
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 1: like what it feels like that can turn into feels

978
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 1: pretty special.

979
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 2: And then yeah, I like.

980
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: Red Sox fans, I'm just a little lost on the

981
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 1: socks man because they they have this little bit of

982
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 1: it feels like there's a lot of young talent around

983
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 1: the team. They pitch so good the first half the

984
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 1: wheels did fall apart the second half that it's I mean,

985
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 1: maybe it's just as simple as they just need to

986
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: bolster this thing with a little more pitching and it's

987
00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 1: gonna click because I don't know, you could go around

988
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 1: the horn like, okay, I was gonna say this an

989
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,280
Speaker 1: impressive way. I was like, I was gonna go around

990
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:10,360
Speaker 1: the horn top of my head. Really cool flex Jake Connor,

991
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 1: Wong Cassis, Raphaela Hamilton in the outfield while he or

992
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,399
Speaker 1: brayw we just talked about that, and this is that's

993
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: before you mentioned obviously like Dever's and some some of

994
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 1: the other ways they can boost this team at Fenway

995
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: Park and.

996
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 2: Who canceled, Oh yeah, sorry.

997
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 1: Uh that yeah, I mean this team was around in

998
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: the first half and their pitching was their strength, and

999
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 1: there was a ton of injuries. Trevor's story has become

1000
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 1: an afterthought, which is insane baseball. That yeah, I uh,

1001
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 1: I just don't know. It feels like they have a

1002
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:53,760
Speaker 1: good pitching coach in plays. We talked about Andrew Bailey

1003
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 1: a lot this first half of the season. That just

1004
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,839
Speaker 1: booster it with a little more pitching. And it may

1005
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 1: be if you get that those seven eight innings strong

1006
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 1: from one more guy every other week, that that can

1007
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: change the whole rhythm of the team.

1008
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:12,359
Speaker 2: But I don't, I don't know. I don't know.

1009
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,840
Speaker 1: Like I thought Boston was having a Mets type season

1010
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 1: and then they they kind of don't and are more confused.

1011
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:20,280
Speaker 2: Again.

1012
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:23,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't. I don't think I necessarily bought it

1013
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 3: while it was happening because of the pitching thing, like

1014
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 3: they were just gonna run out of gas, you know,

1015
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:32,760
Speaker 3: the too many guys having to throw, you know, career

1016
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 3: high innings. It's just mathematically, it just wasn't gonna necessarily

1017
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,280
Speaker 3: work for them unless the batch just kept going crazy.

1018
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 3: And but the thing about Boston is they have the

1019
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 3: best farm system, you know. Yeah, So I don't know

1020
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 3: if that's the long game for them, but it's like yeah,

1021
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 3: I mean, like, yes, you can bolster what they have now.

1022
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 3: But the point is in two years they're gonna have

1023
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 3: Roman Anthony and Marcel Meyer and Christian Campbell and Kyle

1024
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 3: Teel and it's gonna be a different look. Like it's

1025
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 3: gonna be a different look for sure, But you know,

1026
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 3: help is all the way. I guess it's the point.

1027
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 3: And so yeah, maybe they just need to figure out

1028
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 3: how to get innings to help that core.

1029
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:08,720
Speaker 2: How many of those guys were pictures?

1030
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:11,720
Speaker 3: Well that here's can I tell you my thing. Okay,

1031
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 3: I don't think none of those guys are pictures, but

1032
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:20,240
Speaker 3: I it's about the group when it comes to a farm.

1033
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 3: As far as the pitching, for me, it can't just

1034
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 3: be one guy. If they had one great ace coming

1035
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 3: up the pipeline, I don't necessarily think that's a game

1036
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 3: changer because there's just so many things that can go wrong.

1037
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 3: There's the famous phrase there is no such thing as

1038
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 3: a pitching prospect. So I think if you look at

1039
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,879
Speaker 3: the depth of the system, like, yes, maybe there's enough

1040
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 3: guys who will work it out, but they're not all

1041
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 3: going to be like household names right on, you know,

1042
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 3: the top one hundred list. It's just can you get

1043
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 3: the innings in the bulk from the miners? And I

1044
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 3: think they have that ability.

1045
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 1: Ailey, Nate Pearson's going to change things for the.

1046
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 3: Blue Jakes, right exactly, Forest Whitley, Did you know.

1047
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 2: Choris Whitley for Houston.

1048
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:56,319
Speaker 1: It feels like we're being rude to those guys when

1049
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:59,760
Speaker 1: it's the sport itself that is rude to those guys,

1050
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 1: but it it.

1051
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great point.

1052
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 1: You need you need a collection of both man, because

1053
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: we still don't know how to do this. Like, yep,

1054
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 1: there's a the Scouts had a cooon. You're right, they

1055
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 1: they didn't have a couple other guys right that.

1056
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I don't know.

1057
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 1: And it's even funny when you talk about Joey Ortiz

1058
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 1: if he becomes a standout major league third baseman, I

1059
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 1: think there's talks of him potentially going to short when

1060
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 1: Adamis leaves, Like okay, and now, where's Jackson Holliday at

1061
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 1: Like the game, the game moves quick with your prospects,

1062
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 1: and yeah, there's organizations that have proven to be great

1063
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 1: at it. And it's you know, Baltimore. I guess I

1064
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 1: was going to take a jab at them for Gunner

1065
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 1: and ADLEI uh, being good just because they're top picks.

1066
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 1: Gunner the whole story as he wasn't that Baltimore still

1067
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 1: knows knows what they're doing. And yeah, I'm excited for

1068
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 1: the Nats next year because they're like they can be

1069
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 1: a big budget team. They were, and they've called up

1070
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:14,320
Speaker 1: some serious prospects and they have, like you said, with arms.

1071
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna not compliment myself some of these Nationals

1072
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 1: arms that came up, and I've learned this year, I

1073
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 1: didn't I didn't have them like they They weren't the

1074
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 1: names like Jake Irvan.

1075
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 3: I didn't know who Mitchell Parker was. I don't think

1076
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 3: I did on opening day.

1077
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 1: Jake Irving and Mitchell Parker, Mackenzie Gore obviously a little

1078
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 1: bit of a different story.

1079
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 2: But you know, like that's.

1080
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 1: These guys came into the scene and they could be

1081
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:44,359
Speaker 1: awful next year. They could be solid next year and

1082
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 1: help stabilize that rotation. But man, you go around that

1083
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 1: horn for those baby gnats and god, I want are

1084
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 1: they like a sneaky Alonso team because it looks like

1085
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 1: they're of first base DH in the middle of that lineup.

1086
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:03,799
Speaker 1: Feels like it could take them a long way. That Yeah,

1087
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 1: I'm I'm excited for the future of the Nationals. I

1088
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 1: think things are things are going to turn around fairly

1089
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 1: quickly in the nation's capital.

1090
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's that's where that's where I.

1091
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 1: Mean, dude, Dylan Cruz and James would like, Yeah, that's

1092
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 1: that's got a chance to be.

1093
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:24,279
Speaker 2: Very dynamic.

1094
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 1: And at the same time, I started this by saying

1095
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 1: I didn't like the Texas Rangers because they had two

1096
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 1: young outfielders in the middle of their lineup. So it's

1097
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:36,840
Speaker 1: where this sport is so silly, Bailey, you know, it's foolish, even.

1098
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 3: It's a foolish baseball whoa I want to say a

1099
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 3: few words on I'll do Wood and Cruise, although you know, Jake,

1100
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 3: Jake Young Mitchell Parker deserve love to would I mean,

1101
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 3: I don't know if you felt this way, but what

1102
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:56,840
Speaker 3: was so scary about his appearance in the big leagues.

1103
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 3: Is like, I just felt like he left so much

1104
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 3: on the table and he was still so good already,

1105
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 3: you know, like he like you look at his numbers,

1106
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 3: You're like, oh, these are good numbers. These are good numbers.

1107
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 3: You call up your guy, you know, for the last

1108
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 3: couple of months, these are good numbers. This you know,

1109
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 3: you're you're happy with this. This isn't a Jackson holiday situation,

1110
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 3: for example. But there was so much left on the

1111
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 3: table because there's so much with his swing and his

1112
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:19,720
Speaker 3: bad ball distribution that he could just like tap into

1113
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 3: more power because obviously he has the raw power, but

1114
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 3: there could be an increase in the game power. And

1115
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 3: that's scary to think about, right, because then we're talking judge,

1116
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 3: you know, like straight.

1117
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 2: Up, the opposite field was silly.

1118
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 3: It was silly. He hit He hit a ball. I

1119
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 3: mean I literally stat casted it. He hit a ball

1120
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 3: that has not been hit before in Major League baseball.

1121
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 1: Left fast ball right, yes, exactly, Yes, that it just

1122
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 1: simply hadn't happened before.

1123
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:53,399
Speaker 3: But Cruse, here's here's what I want to say about Cruz.

1124
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 3: And we'll and we'll transition Cruise into my final category,

1125
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 3: which I called the September Guy. So these are guys

1126
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:03,360
Speaker 3: who appeared in the big leagues this year. Their rookie status,

1127
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:05,360
Speaker 3: I believe is still intact, so they may be, you know,

1128
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 3: interesting to talk about for Rookie of the Year twenty

1129
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 3: twenty five. And I'll start with Cruz. I've always been

1130
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 3: a little down on him, to be honest with you,

1131
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 3: Like even when he when it was lose for Cruz

1132
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 3: season at LSU, you know, I was like, well, I mean,

1133
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 3: you know, he doesn't have prodigious power. For example, it

1134
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 3: would be one knock on him, the same way James

1135
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 3: Wood does. And you know, I was like, oh, I

1136
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 3: like Langford more than him coming out of the draft schemes.

1137
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 3: You know, it's a pitcher, so it's kind of apples

1138
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 3: and oranges. I was impressed with his you know, not

1139
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 3: even going through the miners, Like he did not crush

1140
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 3: it like Langford did or even Nolan Shanewell did, Like,

1141
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 3: you know, he took his time, and you know, I'd

1142
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 3: been a little down on him. I found this cup

1143
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 3: of coffee very encouraging and I sort of realized what

1144
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 3: it is. I was like, Oh, here's what it is.

1145
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 3: Here's here's who Dylan Cruz is. He's a war guy,

1146
00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:58,959
Speaker 3: That's what he is. He's one of He's like, he's

1147
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 3: just an all rounder. You know, he's gonna hit two sixty,

1148
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:05,439
Speaker 3: it's gonna be like a three point fifty on base.

1149
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 3: It's gonna be like a four to fifty slug And

1150
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 3: you're gonna all of a sudden you can have this

1151
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 3: eight hundred ops great defensive center fielder who steals bases

1152
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 3: and he's gonna put up like five war seasons. That's

1153
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 3: what it is. Like, there's nothing, it's not gonna be

1154
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 3: super sexy necessarily, but he's just gonna be valuable, you know.

1155
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 3: And so you know, just like he's already he's already

1156
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 3: so disciplined at the big league level. Look at those

1157
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 3: strikeout rates on those walk rates, like they're great. So

1158
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 3: I get it now, like I didn't get it at first,

1159
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 3: and I know it might be uh, oh wow, Bailey,

1160
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 3: it took you thirty one games of like a six

1161
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 3: forty one OPSU to come around on this guy. But yeah, no,

1162
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 3: now now I see the vision in a way that

1163
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 3: I didn't necessarily see it beforehand. So happy about him? Yeah,

1164
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 3: I don't know do you have any thoughts on him

1165
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 3: or should we move on to the to the next

1166
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 3: few guys.

1167
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 1: I would just close it out with NAT's outfield. You

1168
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 1: talk about racking up war Oh yeah, if James would

1169
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 1: turns into James Wood, Jacob Young catches every ball out there,

1170
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 1: and you have Cruise in right casually doing like a

1171
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 1: righty Kyle Tucker light type deal. Yeah, you could run

1172
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 1: into fifteen war outfield feels high, but again the potential game,

1173
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 1: and then we'll.

1174
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 3: Get through the rest of these guys A little bit

1175
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 3: quicker here. Will Wagner alluded to him a little bit earlier.

1176
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 3: Toronto second baseman, son of Billy Wagner, acquired in the

1177
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 3: Kakuochie trade from the Astros. Really nice September. I guess

1178
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 3: you call that a cup of coffee for him. Three

1179
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 3: h five average hit, a couple homers, seven eighty eight ops.

1180
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 3: He had such a hot start. What he pick up like,

1181
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 3: I don't know. He had some sort of ten hits

1182
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 3: in two games. I don't know exactly. I don't remember

1183
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 3: what it was at this point. But he's interesting too

1184
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 3: because I think Toronto have a lot of young lefty

1185
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 3: hitters kind of in similar positions, and I will now

1186
00:59:56,720 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 3: attempt to name them all for memory. Spencer Horowitz, Addison Barger,

1187
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 3: Johnson Classe is a switch hitter, but it means he's

1188
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 3: gonna mostly bat left the low Perfido also in that trade,

1189
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 3: big guy who's the Nathan Lucas. So it's like it's

1190
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 3: there's a bunch of there's just so many of these guys.

1191
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 3: They're all kind of competing for the same type of

1192
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 3: playing time. But I think Will Wagner is in the conversation.

1193
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 3: We'll see him in the playoffs. Thothough, I think sparingly,

1194
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:27,440
Speaker 3: but luis an Helicunya Ron's brother. He really kind of

1195
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 3: saved the day for the Mets, to be honest with you,

1196
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 3: because Lindor missed some time with the back injury, and

1197
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 3: then he they basically saw him in the lineup and

1198
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 3: then he did a lind Dor impression for you know,

1199
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 3: a week, and that was really all they needed to

1200
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:41,680
Speaker 3: get to get that final push in there. Adrian del Castillo,

1201
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 3: what can you tell me a little bit about Adrian

1202
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 3: Del Castillo, Because I can tell you some stuff. I'm

1203
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 3: curious if you know kind of the story here.

1204
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 2: I don't know the full story.

1205
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 1: I I just know a team in a franchise that

1206
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 1: fell in love with Gabby Moreno for some you know

1207
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 1: the way he mauls lefties and their win loss record

1208
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 1: with Gaby remember when that was a thing.

1209
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 3: Oh he hit.

1210
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 1: Adrian del Castillo came up and just started hitting grand

1211
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 1: slams and it was just like I'm here here, I

1212
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 1: am so no, I don't know the story. It was

1213
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 1: just like when he played, he was the box score.

1214
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 3: Yeah. He Adrian del Castillo after his freshman year at Miami,

1215
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 3: which was in nineteen, was in like conversations to be

1216
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 3: the number one overall pick for his draft class. And

1217
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 3: then he it slowed down for him, like his sophomore

1218
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:31,040
Speaker 3: in his junior year, ended up getting drafted in the

1219
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 3: wh We got second round here by the Diamondbacks. But yeah,

1220
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 3: that's what's kind of intriguing about him is here's a

1221
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 3: guy who really not that well I guess five years ago,

1222
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 3: but would have been like thought of, as you know,

1223
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:45,680
Speaker 3: one of the top you know, teenage hitters in the country.

1224
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 3: And so maybe it's like a post hype with him

1225
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:50,360
Speaker 3: because he's had a massive year in the miners as well,

1226
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:53,440
Speaker 3: and then partlaid that into a nice appearance in the

1227
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 3: majors in twenty twenty four.

1228
01:01:56,240 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean to a certain degree, talent is talent,

1229
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 1: and like I I don't know, I'll be interested to

1230
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:10,320
Speaker 1: see the next steps with this kid, because it's where

1231
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 1: baseball is also dumb that if he let's say, this

1232
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:15,360
Speaker 1: guy does have top five talent, which is rare, Like

1233
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 1: that's that is rare. However you want to label that that,

1234
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 1: you know what, it could be one one swing or

1235
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 1: one coach that says like get that foot down earlier,

1236
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 1: and like we we laugh at that dumb stuff. But

1237
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 1: that's literally how this works. At Jerry Blevin's It's it's

1238
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 1: a great conversation. The Cubs, I believe it was told

1239
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 1: him to start sewing throwing submarine eighty three, and he

1240
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 1: did it a couple of days and he was getting

1241
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:49,960
Speaker 1: absolutely rocked. And when one of the pitching coaches came

1242
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 1: up to him is like, what are you doing, dude,

1243
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 1: And he's like, oh, they're telling me to do this

1244
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:56,360
Speaker 1: thing is you're about to be cut dude, Like throw

1245
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 1: the ball the way you want to throw the ball,

1246
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 1: because it's not happening right now. And Jerry had like

1247
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:03,800
Speaker 1: the lefty dream reliever career.

1248
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 2: And so that's right.

1249
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 1: Obviously somewhat apples and oranges here, but seems like the

1250
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 1: Snakes organization has like maybe we need to talk about

1251
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:17,520
Speaker 1: what they're doing as an organization a little bit more.

1252
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 1: And Yeah, if you tell me this guy has top

1253
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 1: five pick potential in him and something's clicked, I'll believe it, because, Yeah,

1254
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:29,040
Speaker 1: the twenty five games he came up, he went nuts.

1255
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, next up, we'll go Michael McGreevy here, pitching prospect

1256
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:39,680
Speaker 3: for the Cardinals. He's just had some big games. He

1257
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:43,000
Speaker 3: pitched their last game of the season. How about eight

1258
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 3: innings of one run ball at San Francisco for him,

1259
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 3: you know, had a spot start at the end of July,

1260
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:52,720
Speaker 3: seven innings of one run ball there. You know. So

1261
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 3: he's only made four big league starts, but again he's

1262
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 3: going to retain rookie eligibility. He's got a sub two

1263
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 3: eer at the big league level, six two ground ball, right,

1264
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:05,280
Speaker 3: that's nice not you know? So, Yeah, Michael McGreevy, he's

1265
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:07,280
Speaker 3: a guy that I've just kind of kept hearing about.

1266
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:11,040
Speaker 3: I follow some Cardinals prospects guys on Twitter, and that

1267
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 3: I just I know I probably know more about the

1268
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:17,360
Speaker 3: Cardinals farm system than hein Bloom at the moment, just

1269
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:19,720
Speaker 3: because I'm inundated with information on some of these guys.

1270
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:22,280
Speaker 3: But Michael McGreevy is one of them. And then we'll

1271
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:24,200
Speaker 3: close out here with a guy that you will see

1272
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 3: in the playoffs. That is Eric Sebrowski, reliever for the Guardians. Folks,

1273
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:36,640
Speaker 3: they got another one twenty inches inverted vertical. Why can't

1274
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:40,720
Speaker 3: I do this vertical break on the fastball? It rises

1275
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 3: and then he throws a big curveball, it goes down.

1276
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:46,880
Speaker 3: Andrew Walter is also a guy who they drafted last

1277
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:49,680
Speaker 3: year who I think may factor into the bullpen at

1278
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:51,400
Speaker 3: some point, but I think Subrowski is a little bit

1279
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:54,720
Speaker 3: more intriguing for the moment. So yeah, those are some guys.

1280
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:56,520
Speaker 3: You'll see some of them in the postseason, some of

1281
01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:59,480
Speaker 3: them you won't, But they are guys to keep in

1282
01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 3: mind going in the twenty twenty five where they still

1283
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:03,480
Speaker 3: have their rookie eligibility intact.

1284
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Speaker 2: I love it, Bailey McGreevy.

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Speaker 1: I've just I feel like I've been too hurt by

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Speaker 1: Cardinals pitchers and pitchers in general that you know, it's

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Speaker 1: the one spot start against Texas on the trade deadline,

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Speaker 1: which was a great start, and then it's Pittsburgh, Colorado

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Speaker 1: and San Francisco at the end of the year, which

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Speaker 1: I you know, I don't want to send any more

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Speaker 1: shots fired at those programs, but they were packing up.

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Speaker 2: The bus a little bit.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, hey, I mean he was a first round pick.

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Speaker 1: And then yeah, Guardians, Guardians pitching factory man, go, yeah,

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Speaker 1: hey go. I told Bailey I daydreamed of us doing

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Speaker 1: a feyoupa aka how we would take over a team

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Speaker 1: and hire someone from the Guardians pitching organization.

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Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, go for it.

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Speaker 1: It's a step in the right direction. All right, I

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Speaker 1: think I have to run, Bailey. It's almost playoff baseball

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Speaker 1: time or I guess this is coming out tomorrow. So,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, those games last night were incredible.

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Speaker 3: Can you believe when he hit the ball, and then

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Speaker 3: can you believe when he didn't and he swung and missed?

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Speaker 2: Oh that catch? Ah?

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Speaker 1: And to close, oh my gosh, to close off our

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Speaker 1: football coverage, I will sell.

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Speaker 3: That base running snaff food.

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Speaker 1: How could he you learned that in Little League? We

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Speaker 1: do have our first London game this weekend, so nine

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Speaker 1: to thirty Saturday or Sunday. Get ready for a full

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Speaker 1: day of sports between football, playoff, Baseball.

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Speaker 2: We're there.

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Speaker 1: The winter sports are starting to do their stuff, Bailey.

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Speaker 1: We'll send everyone to Foolish Bailey, Foolish baseball, and we

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Speaker 1: thank you man enjoy the postseason.

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Speaker 2: My best wishes to your braves.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. My worst wishes to your Yankees.

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Speaker 2: I didn't need that, Babes.

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Speaker 1: Tell them about Dan Link and Jiki's production of Dan

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