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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Our three Clay end Buck gets going right now, our

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Speaker 2: friend Cash Puttel is joining us former DoD chief of staff,

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Speaker 2: former federal prosecutor, and public defender. He has selected sixty

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Speaker 2: juries for trial service. Cash been a bit my friend.

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Speaker 2: How you doing.

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Speaker 3: Hey, great to be with you guys. Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, man, absolutely, So let's start the two big news

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Speaker 2: items today. A lot of campus anti Israel stuff, but

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Speaker 2: also the Trump trial that is going on, which is

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Speaker 2: in some ways it's still hard to believe even though

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Speaker 2: it's happening. This is where we are as a country.

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Speaker 2: This is what's happening. This is what's underway. What's your

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Speaker 2: sense of been, I'd start with this. Do you feel

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Speaker 2: like there's any chance that anyone on this jury might

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Speaker 2: be fairly disposed toward the truth of this case and

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Speaker 2: and Donald Trump in general.

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Speaker 3: Look, there's always a chance, but there's a reason I

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Speaker 3: live in Las Vegas and don't gamble as often as

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Speaker 3: I used to, and people are gambling on this trial

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Speaker 3: will probably lose the reality is what is happening. The

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Speaker 3: tragedy is the destruction of due process, and for some reason,

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Speaker 3: these prosecutors and judges have teamed up to think that

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Speaker 3: the system of due process under the Constitution no longer

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Speaker 3: applies to Donald Trump, or that they can selectively apply

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Speaker 3: to him in pieces. And what I mean by that

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Speaker 3: is just look at the opening statement today to the

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Speaker 3: lead prosecutor, who used to be the number three prosecutor

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Speaker 3: at the Department of Justice. He gave the opening statement,

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Speaker 3: this guy Colangelo, and he said he told the jury

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump is here because of a criminal conspiracy related

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Speaker 3: to election Trump. Now, the Constitution forbids specifically any mention

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Speaker 3: of crimes, not charging the indictment to be presented to

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Speaker 3: the jury, but this judge of course lapped it up

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Speaker 3: and allowed it. There is no charge of conspiracy anywhere

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Speaker 3: the indictment. And all they continue to do is shred

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Speaker 3: to do process rights of Donald Trump and that of

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Speaker 3: the Constitution in the process and weaken our system of justice.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a really important point you just made.

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Speaker 1: Who exactly is involved in this trial. The Biden administration,

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden himself, many of their allies in the media.

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Speaker 1: They regularly I was reading the Times this morning, laying

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Speaker 1: out in Sunday, laying out all their analysis and reading

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Speaker 1: all their articles saying, Oh, there is no grand conspiracy

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Speaker 1: against Donald Trump. This is just happens to be Alvin Bragg,

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Speaker 1: It just happens to be Fanny Willis. Jack Smith is

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Speaker 1: totally independent. Merrick Garland's not involved in these cases. What

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Speaker 1: did you just say? I think this is so important.

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Speaker 1: The former number three position at the Department of Justice

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Speaker 1: is now prosecuting a state court case. Now you have

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Speaker 1: a little bit of a background in this. In general,

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Speaker 1: wouldn't this be akin to being a major leaguer and

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Speaker 1: going back to a ball. In other words, you would

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Speaker 1: want to be as high as you could be in

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Speaker 1: the Department of Justice, number three overall in the DOJ.

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Speaker 1: It's a big friggin deal when it comes to trial

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Speaker 1: prosecution a state court in Manhattan? Is that not a

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Speaker 1: crazy decent analogy and a sports perspective, it'd be like

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Speaker 1: if you made the major leagues deciding to go back

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Speaker 1: to single A or double A ball to prosecute a

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Speaker 1: state city court crime like this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, as a sportsman, I love the analogy, And look,

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Speaker 3: you're absolutely right. What it shows is the two tier

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Speaker 3: system of justice and just to highlight the importance of

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Speaker 3: this the number three. There's the Attorney General, the Deputy

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Speaker 3: Attorney General, and then this guy's who used Colangelo, who

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Speaker 3: that job, gone on to join Bragg's team, and not

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Speaker 3: just quietly join the team. He delivered the opening statement.

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Speaker 3: And this guy who's been a career prosecutor who knows

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Speaker 3: cannot tell a jury about any uncharged crimes, opened.

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Speaker 4: With just that.

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Speaker 3: And that shows you the level of connective connectivity between

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Speaker 3: the DJ, the Biden administration, and bragged office. And so

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Speaker 3: when people say, oh, no, there's no conspiracy here, well,

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Speaker 3: there's no such thing as coincidences in the United States government,

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Speaker 3: certainly not at Joe Biden and Merrick Garland DOJ. And

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Speaker 3: now we're seeing it front and center, and this judge

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Speaker 2: Speaking of Cash but Cash matel formerly of Trump's DoD

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Speaker 2: he was chief of staff at the Pentagon Cash and

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Speaker 2: also former federal prosecutor ysh. If they find Trump guilty,

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Speaker 2: and we know that's an if. We who knows where

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Speaker 2: the jury's going to go with this, What do you

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Speaker 2: think will happen and how quickly do you see it happening.

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Speaker 3: Well, what's supposed to happen, especially in a case like this,

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Speaker 3: the defendant would remain out of custody because this is

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Speaker 3: a non violent and you're talking about an individual who

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Speaker 3: has literally zero criminal history, and we're talking about an

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Speaker 3: instance where they are allegedly, excuse me, there are no

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Speaker 3: victims of violent crimes. But what will happen here is

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Speaker 3: this judge will probably take matters into his own hands,

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Speaker 3: continue to create a new system of justice and try

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Speaker 3: to probably imprison Donald Trump and deny him his appellate

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Speaker 3: a very very unfortunate series of events if Donald Trump

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Speaker 3: is convicted, because it would be unlawful and unconstitutional. But

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Speaker 3: then what this judge could do to him is completely

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Speaker 3: remove him from the campaign trail, which that is a

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Speaker 3: clear impetus. If you've ever watched even just one day

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Speaker 3: of this trial, this judge has made up his mind.

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Speaker 3: Like Judge and Goren did in the civil case that

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Speaker 3: just happened before this one, these guys have convicted Trump

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Speaker 3: in the court of public opinion and are going to

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Speaker 3: convict him in their own courtrooms. They're just waiting for

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Speaker 3: the process to play out.

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Speaker 1: Gosh, how do you break down the other cases you've

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Speaker 1: been involved in the criminal court system before? On as first,

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Speaker 1: it's crazy, as this New York City case is Thursday,

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Speaker 1: we have the presidential immunity case that's being argued, the

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Speaker 1: oral arguments in front of the Supreme Court. Presumably sometime

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Speaker 1: in June we'll get that decision, as well as the

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Speaker 1: Fisher case having to do with whether or not you

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Speaker 1: can prosecute for effectively impeding official proceedings, as has been

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Speaker 1: occurring with many of the January sixth related charges. How

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Speaker 1: does the timeline work to you for this? Do you

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Speaker 1: think that the New York City case is the only

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Speaker 1: one that would go all the way through and get

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Speaker 1: a jury verdict or do you think there will be

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Speaker 1: a possibility of another case as well between now and

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Speaker 1: November fifth.

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Speaker 3: Well, again, if we were on the normal timeline of justice,

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Speaker 3: these cases would not even be charged this year. They

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Speaker 3: would be charged later, and the timeline for average prosecution

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Speaker 3: is two to four years. But they took the hov

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Speaker 3: lane because it's Donald Trump. Now we'll see what the

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Speaker 3: Supreme Court decides, but it's unequivocally, in my opinion, executive

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Speaker 3: privilege for the president who have acted in the way

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Speaker 3: he did, and that should apply here. It's also another

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Speaker 3: indication that Joe Biden, who personally had to dissolve executive

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Speaker 3: privilege for the DOJ to bring that prosecution in DC

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Speaker 3: and Florida, he had to personally get involved. So when

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Speaker 3: he says I'm not involved, that's another charade. But once

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Speaker 3: the Supreme Court decides on that case, and also the

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Speaker 3: obstructioning case, which is a very important point you bring up,

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Speaker 3: the Supreme Court, i believe, is going to deny the

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Speaker 3: use of the substruction statute which is from the end

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Speaker 3: Ron financial crimes fiasco, and they're going to throw out

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Speaker 3: three hundred plus convictions related to January sixth, and that

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Speaker 3: should upend the entire timeline of any of the trials forthcoming.

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Speaker 3: But we don't know what these district court judges who

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Speaker 3: are going to do, like Chuckkin, who have already basically

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Speaker 3: stated that Donald Trump is a threat to democracy and

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Speaker 3: they want him removed from the electoral process.

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Speaker 2: Speaking to Cash Pateel, former federal prosecutor. Gosh, Trump is

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Speaker 2: facing all this UF How is he able to hold

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Speaker 2: up under under all of it? You know, with multiple

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Speaker 2: criminal prosecutions. I mean, I know you and and the

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Speaker 2: President are in contact, and he knows you well, and

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Speaker 2: you may well be a senior figure in his next administration.

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Speaker 2: Not to get too far ahead of things, but that's

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Speaker 2: very possible here. How is he able to do this

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Speaker 2: run for president with four absolutely insane federal or sorry,

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Speaker 2: felony criminal indictments three well sorry too, federal and two

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Speaker 4: Right now? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: You know, I was just with the President the other

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Speaker 3: week and it's a you know, it's it's a conversation.

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Speaker 3: Many of my conversations I don't reveal, but this one

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Speaker 3: I'm happy to you know. You know, I asked him,

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Speaker 3: as a president, how do you how do you deal

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Speaker 3: with this exact question? You know, you're being falsely prosecuted,

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Speaker 3: they're tanking away your money, they're coming after your family,

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Speaker 3: they're defaming you constantly. And his answer is really simply

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Speaker 3: goes cash. The future of this country is at state

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Speaker 3: And I think that drives him every single day that

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump's just in for the money and fame, well

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Speaker 3: the reality shows it's the opposite. He's fighting for everybody

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Speaker 3: him more than anything I've ever seen. And I don't

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Speaker 3: think you're going to see Donald Trump slow down. Every

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Speaker 3: and he becomes the juggernaut of justice and rolls down

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Speaker 3: and convinces more and more Americans that this two tier

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Speaker 3: he's asking Americans not only to recognize that, but to

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Speaker 1: Last question for you, and I think you kind of

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Speaker 1: hinted at this at the beginning. This is obviously a

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Speaker 1: rigged jury that eighty seven percent of people voted against

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump in this jurisdiction based on analyzing the twelve jurors,

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Speaker 1: the six alternates, everything else. What do you think. I

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Speaker 1: think the chances are, first of all, of a not

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Speaker 1: guilty verdict. Buck and I both put that at zero.

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Speaker 1: Do you think there is and I'm curious if you

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Speaker 1: would agree with that. Do you think there is potentially

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Speaker 1: refuse to vote to convict and essentially give what would

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Speaker 1: be a win I think through a hung jury, based

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Speaker 1: how would you assess that probability?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, going back to my public defender days and

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Speaker 3: my federal public defender days, where I defended scores of

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Speaker 3: just need one. You don't need all twelve, You just

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Speaker 3: need one. And that's what you guys are talking about

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Speaker 3: to get to a hung jury.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 3: I think the chance is that one of those twelve

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Speaker 3: jurors agrees with Donald Trump's presentation of the evidence is strong.

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Speaker 3: But the chance that that same juror withstands the scrutiny

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Speaker 3: media and the rest of the jury and the word

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Speaker 3: because this is the most important criminal prosecution in literally us.

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Speaker 3: His history is not the world that may fold that

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Speaker 3: But if the jurors actually stuck to the facts and

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Speaker 1: Legitimately, you need to watch this video.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they'll do anything they can in order to get

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Speaker 1: By the way, one of the Tennessee people who's running

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Speaker 1: This is what happens in Tennessee. State troopers pull over

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Speaker 1: that doesn't happen again, this is crazy. Matt in Scottsdale, Arizona.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's gone. We miss you met then, who's next?

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Speaker 1: Kevin Evan in Scottsdale.

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Speaker 6: Oh that's great, you guys got me. Hey, listen, calling

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Speaker 6: my question to you, especially putting your Trump lawyer hat on,

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Speaker 3: Would you instead of talking about he.

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Speaker 6: Has no chance to win and is there one juror

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Speaker 4: Oh thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: Now, let's talk about what is going on here on

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Speaker 2: these college campuses. Columbia University shut down class today. I

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Speaker 4: So these protests have been allowed to fester on these campuses,

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Speaker 1: Are Jewish people recognizing now? Buck and I have been

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Speaker 1: talking about this, Carol, thanks for joining us. Yeah, that

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Speaker 4: I hope. So I think about this a lot, and

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Speaker 4: There has definitely been a shift in the last decade.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Check out Carol's podcast by the way on the

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Speaker 2: if that's the case, and even if they're arrested they

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Speaker 2: I mean, because New York, and I'm sure New Haven

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Speaker 4: that the liberal are so worried about them, and they're

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Speaker 4: so concerned with losing their vote, and it's this whole

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Speaker 4: problem for the Democrats. But I don't know what they're

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Speaker 4: going to do. But I think these colleges really need

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Speaker 4: to be sent a message, and I hope that people

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Speaker 4: do it. It doesn't just have to be Jews, same

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Speaker 4: non Jews have to be able to send that message too,

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Speaker 4: to say I don't pay my money for this insanity

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Speaker 4: to go on on my kids' college campus. Remote learning

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Speaker 4: in twenty twenty four because Jews are afraid to be

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Speaker 4: on campus is absurd and I'm not standing for it.

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Speaker 4: And I know that that would be where we need

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Speaker 4: to go. But does it happen on these campuses or

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Speaker 4: is it just too far gone. I've been kind of

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Speaker 4: for years saying that the college campuses are lost, that

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Speaker 4: we should focus on K through twelve because that's really

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Speaker 4: where the battles are happening now. But these college campuses

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Speaker 4: are worse than I even imagined, and so I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what they do here. The twenty twenty

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Speaker 4: four election obviously looms very large and all the imaginations

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Speaker 4: of these people, and they know that if they have

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Speaker 4: an incident with the far left, Biden could lose the election.

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Speaker 4: So I think all of that is being considered, Carol.

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Speaker 1: After Charlottesville, we were told we need to have a

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Speaker 1: national conversation about anti semitism and white supremacy and that

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Speaker 1: toxic combination of the two. Biden claimed that the reason

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Speaker 1: he had to run for president was because of what

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Speaker 1: happened in Charlottesville. Charlottesville is the rights failure when it

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Speaker 1: came to marching and saying we won't be replaced in

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Speaker 1: the anti Juwice slogans there, and we had a major

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Speaker 1: national discussion converse sas seems like we always only have

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Speaker 1: national discussions and conversations when people.

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Speaker 2: On the rights grew up.

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Speaker 1: We've now got hundreds, if not thousands of Charlottesville's taking

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Speaker 1: place all over the country. Yeah, how does the left

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Speaker 1: reconcile their discussions around Charlottesville, including Joe Biden's own presidential campaign,

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Speaker 1: with now anti Semitism flourishing in America on a level

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Speaker 1: frankly that's never occurred to my knowledge, in my life

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Speaker 1: and in much of the lives of people listening to

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Speaker 1: us right now.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's the thing again, the hypocrisy doesn't matter to them.

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Speaker 4: They don't care that they you know, there was ten

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Speaker 4: people at Charlottesville and with their stupid torches and saying

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Speaker 4: dumb things. I knew at the time that that was

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Speaker 4: not representative of the right. Immediately, everybody staying on the

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Speaker 4: right denounced those people. We don't see that same denunciation

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Speaker 4: happening on the left. I mean, that's really where it is.

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Speaker 4: And I think that it's important to just keep pushing

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Speaker 4: the idea that this is happening almost entirely on the left.

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Speaker 4: There is no antisemitic movement happening on the right. Look,

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Speaker 4: there are there anti semis on the right. Of course,

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Speaker 4: are the people who are going to hate Jews in

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Speaker 4: any group, of course, But the idea that you can

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Speaker 4: be openly jew hating on the right is just one

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Speaker 4: that is not true. As soon as anybody is, you know,

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Speaker 4: kind of openly hating of Jews, they get shunned by

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Speaker 4: the right, they get criticized, they get mocked. That does

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Speaker 4: not happen on the left. Joe Biden is fighting for

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Speaker 4: all of those votes, and that's a real big split. Charlottesville.

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Speaker 4: We didn't make heroes out of those people. These college campuses.

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Speaker 4: They are making the heroes out of them. They're saying

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Speaker 4: that these protesters are just like the ones who marched

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Speaker 4: on Selma, et cetera. And they're turning them into martyrs

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Speaker 4: and heroes. And we don't do that on the right

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Speaker 4: with people who hate Jews. It's just it's not the case.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Carol, you know, Clay and I we're going back

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Speaker 2: and forth in the last hour on you know, Clay

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Speaker 2: raised if you're paying seventy five to one hundred grand

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Speaker 2: to send your kid to one of these places. Are

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Speaker 2: you going to be And I know they're young adults

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Speaker 2: right there, eighteen and up, but are you going to

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Speaker 2: be outraged? And I said, well, I don't know. I

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Speaker 2: know some left wing parents in New York who would

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Speaker 2: probably applaud this kind of thing.

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Speaker 4: What do you think, Yeah, I think that you're right.

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Speaker 4: I know left wing parents whould also applaud this. But

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Speaker 4: there has to be a saner middle. But you know,

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Speaker 4: of course, the concern is, and I know the three

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Speaker 4: of us know this, the saner middle becomes very quiet

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Speaker 4: when the left comes after them. And they did that

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Speaker 4: during COVID. They didn't say a word. They made sure

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Speaker 4: that they kept their mouths shut in case anybody was

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Speaker 4: mean to them on Facebook or Twitter. And they're doing

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Speaker 4: the same thing now. And that's really where the dividing

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Speaker 4: line is. Yes, there are leftist parents who are thrilled

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Speaker 4: that their little Johnny is, you know, at Columbia and

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Speaker 4: targeting Jewish students for abuse, because that's what the popular

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Speaker 4: thing to do right now is. But there have to

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Speaker 4: be the saner middle people who are quiet, and they

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Speaker 4: have to stop being quiet. And I don't know if

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Speaker 4: they will but that's really where this needs to go.

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Speaker 1: Daryl, you moved recently from New York to Florida, like Buck.

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Speaker 1: We've been talking about the jury pool, which you theoretically

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Speaker 1: could have been a part of potentially during your time

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Speaker 1: living in New York. Do you think anybody that is

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Speaker 1: on that jury, the twelve that are seated or the

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Speaker 1: six alternates, depending on who ends up ultimately making a decision,

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Speaker 1: will be willing to publicly refuse to convict Trump. Or

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Speaker 1: do you think the societal pressure of living in New

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Speaker 1: York City, the lifestyle this commensurate with that makes it

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Speaker 1: so difficult for anyone to even be willing to stand

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Speaker 1: on that island.

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Speaker 4: It's a really good question. You know, they released the

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Speaker 4: what each of the jury where they get their news?

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Speaker 4: And you know they The shocking thing to me was

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Speaker 4: only one of them got the news from New York Post.

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Speaker 4: I mean, everybody in New York reads the Post and

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Speaker 4: not just staying back I write for them. It is

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Speaker 4: the paper that everybody reads on the subway, and the

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Speaker 4: fact that only one juror is a Post reader was

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Speaker 4: really surprising. And that's concerning because you don't have do

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Speaker 4: you have a lot of people who are listening to

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Speaker 4: CNN or you know, NPR or reading the New York Times,

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Speaker 4: You're going to have a much tougher time having somebody

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Speaker 4: both to not convict. But you're right, they get a

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Speaker 4: lot of the social pressure there. The thing I will

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Speaker 4: say about Donald Trump, and I know that you guys

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Speaker 4: have said similar things in the past. Once someone is

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Speaker 4: like that said I'm supporting Trump, it's very hard to

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Speaker 4: get them off that hand, because they've already been through

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Speaker 4: all the abuse. They've been targeted, They've been called racist,

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Speaker 4: they've been called you know, all kinds of names. But

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Speaker 4: once they've kind of overcome that and they've decided no,

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Speaker 4: I'm supporting this guy, it's really hard to get somebody

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Speaker 4: off of that. So I think that if there is

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Speaker 4: a Trump supporter on that jury, it makes it much

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Speaker 4: more likely that they will stand their ground and then

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Speaker 4: and that they'll they'll find him not guilty.

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Speaker 2: Subscribe to the Carol mark Witz podcast everybody on the

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Speaker 2: Carol always appreciate you being with us.

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Speaker 4: Thanks so much, so much, guys, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Just everybody out there, it feels like a crazy Monday.

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Speaker 1: I feel like the amount of craziness that we're going

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Speaker 1: to see in the weeks and months ahead is going

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Speaker 1: to be so wonky and so wacky that you're probably

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Speaker 1: going to be like me and start off your morning

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Speaker 1: with Crockett coffee. I'll tell you button. On Sunday, I

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Speaker 1: had the New York Times, I had the Wall Street

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Speaker 1: Journal weekend edition. I had it all laid out in

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Speaker 1: front of me, and as I prepared to dive into

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Speaker 1: the chaos, I said, I'm going to drink the coffee

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Speaker 1: that is owned by people who love America, that honors

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Speaker 1: American history, that loves Davy Crockett. Be sure you're right,

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Speaker 1: then go ahead. By the way, Sunday, I believe was

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Speaker 1: the anniversary of the Battle of San Jacinto, when remember

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Speaker 1: the Alamo was the call for all of our Texans

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Speaker 1: down there back in eighteen thirty six when Sam Houston

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Speaker 1: from the great State of Tennessee helped Texas to become

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Speaker 1: an independent republic that was on the shoulders of the

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Speaker 1: Battle of the Alamo. Remember the Alamo. Remember Davy Crocket,

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Speaker 1: Go sign up for Crockett Coffee today. Battle of San Jacino,

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Speaker 1: I'm told I haven't visited. I'm told it is a

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Speaker 1: cool location. I think your wife Carrie has been there, Yes,

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Speaker 1: because she did a special with Brian Kilmead back in

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Speaker 1: the day. Because she told us about it. When our

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Speaker 1: friend Michael Barry we had our big event in Houston,

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Speaker 1: not far from the location of the Battle of San

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Speaker 1: Jacinto outside of Houston. Indeed, yes, tying it all in

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Speaker 1: there together. They very very knowledgeable about about that era.

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Speaker 2: We have, Louise in Suffolk County. I'm assuming Suffolk County

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Speaker 2: in New York, so that means the eastern portion of

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Speaker 2: Long Island, which includes the Hampton's among other places.

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Speaker 5: What's up, Louise, Hi, thank you for taking my call.

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Speaker 5: I wanted to talk about these students protesting at these universities.

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Speaker 5: I think if they are so principled, they should stand

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Speaker 5: up and give back any student assistance financial assistance that

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Speaker 5: they receive from these universities, because obviously these universities have

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Speaker 5: been investing in things that are perhaps Jewish or is

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Speaker 5: really related. So they should give back their money, and

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Speaker 5: if they can't do it themselves, maybe the universities should

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Speaker 5: help them along by taking it back. And in addition,

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Speaker 5: Biden forgiving student loans for people who are protesting on campus,

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Speaker 5: claiming how unjust, unfair and racist we are as a country.

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Speaker 5: Why am I paying for these peoples to have these

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Speaker 5: people's loans forgiven when they hate me?

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, Luis, you talk about something that's or

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Speaker 2: You're also raised an additional issue, I think, which is

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Speaker 2: that anyone who says that there's nothing to be done

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Speaker 2: here doesn't understand the financing of this bloated university and

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Speaker 2: college education system we have without federally backed student loans,

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Speaker 2: this whole system which and also they wouldn't be able

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Speaker 2: to raise tuition year after year. Without federally backed student loans,

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Speaker 2: you wouldn't be able to have all these people going

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Speaker 2: to these colleges paying outrageously high tuitions. That's the big

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Speaker 2: problem here. So the federal government actually has a huge

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Speaker 2: lever to push in this situation if it decided to,

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Speaker 2: and that's been true about college speech codes for example

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Speaker 2: all along. I know you're talking more about the private

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Speaker 2: sector side of it, but these universities have gotten away

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Speaker 2: for far too long with operating like they are islands

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Speaker 2: that don't need anybody. They need a lot.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I meant a lot of them are sitting on

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Speaker 5: huge amounts of money endowments that they received that they're

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Speaker 5: not using towards students' education EDS and you know, take

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Speaker 5: take the money back, give it. Just give it to

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Speaker 5: kids who want to come and learn and who are

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Speaker 5: not going to protest, take over, insinuate, insult, abuse any

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Speaker 5: other ethnic group for whatever reason. I mean, I'm just

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Speaker 5: tired of paying all this money to forgive people. I'm

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Speaker 5: a single mom, I raised for kids. I worked my

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Speaker 5: butt off paying off a parent loan for my kids.

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Speaker 2: I get well, thank you for the call.

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Speaker 1: Let me point this out too, Buck, Maybe we can

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Speaker 1: have a little bit more discussion about this tomorrow. You

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Speaker 1: notice that almost all of these student protests are occurring

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Speaker 1: in blue states. Ain't a lot of campus protests happening

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Speaker 1: anywhere in the South to my knowledge, They aren't taking

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Speaker 1: over the University of Florida, the University of Alabama, the

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Speaker 1: University of Tennessee, the University of Texas. So far, Red

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Speaker 1: States aren't allowing students to protest Jewish people. Now, you

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Speaker 1: would think that would be a big, kind of interesting story,

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Speaker 1: but I bet there will be no one writing that story.

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Speaker 1: Why are all these protests happening in blue cities and

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Speaker 1: blue states against Jewish people. Charlottesville happens, as we talked about,

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Speaker 1: It's the number one story for months all over the place.

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Speaker 1: A thousand Charlottesville's happened on Biden's watch. Awful lot of crickets.

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Speaker 1: Red States protecting Jews better sleeve. Travis and Buck Sexton

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Speaker 1: on the front lines of truth

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Speaker 4: Two