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Speaker 1: very serious and there were rules and meetings and all

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00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 1: of that jazz. And then I think what y'all figured

427
00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:54,440
Speaker 1: out and when what I later followed was okay, like

428
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,240
Speaker 1: being on this improv team that does shows and basements

429
00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,920
Speaker 1: is maybe not like the best use of my time

430
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,919
Speaker 1: if I wanted to advance in my career. Um, so,

431
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 1: you know, I I have like essentially been kicked out

432
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 1: of Judith because before I was outed on television, you know,

433
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,399
Speaker 1: I had this you know, I had been outed on

434
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 1: the island and then had this time period to come

435
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,120
Speaker 1: home to disclose to people and as you both know,

436
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 1: like I did not disclose to Judith that I was trained.

437
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:28,359
Speaker 1: Um like that was that was not anything anyone knew.

438
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:32,480
Speaker 1: And then there was speculation on like the survivor read

439
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 1: it that I might be trans that one of the

440
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:39,200
Speaker 1: other team members read and shared with everybody else still

441
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 1: active on the team. I did not know that. No, no, no,

442
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:50,119
Speaker 1: not on Judith. I'm so sorry. So I sort of

443
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 1: got like, you know, I got outed on the island,

444
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 1: which they didn't know about, and then before I had

445
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,720
Speaker 1: a chance to like tell everybody in a more intimate way,

446
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:01,439
Speaker 1: I got out. And the people who were involved in

447
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 1: that are still like the central members of because they

448
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,400
Speaker 1: I don't really do improv branches and go to fire

449
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 1: Island and whatnot. Um, so like they kept the team

450
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 1: and I was sort of like, I'm going to hang

451
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 1: out with Jason and Daniel, but just I'm you know,

452
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 1: I just remember the energy not being great, and I

453
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,399
Speaker 1: think that I was kind of I came in like

454
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 1: after bowing and so I only really knew Bowen very well.

455
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 1: This is before Jason and I were on like a

456
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 1: mod team together, so before I had really gotten to

457
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 1: know Jason, and like, um, I guess what I want

458
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 1: to say to you is that I had like any any,

459
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,880
Speaker 1: any sort of behaviors that you sensed from, like myself

460
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 1: or bowing, Like I hope that can be in like

461
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,879
Speaker 1: the improv past, because I know that it kind of

462
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 1: all sort of got weird. But like I feel badly

463
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 1: whenever I think about, like any of my life from it,

464
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 1: just like twenty to twenty five, like the way I

465
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 1: acted when I was trying to establish myself. Um, not

466
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 1: that it was like actually monstrous. All of us have

467
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 1: acted monstrously. All of us were like until eight years old, Like, yes, team,

468
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,439
Speaker 1: when you actually think about what it was, it was

469
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:16,479
Speaker 1: like us like having drama like between eight game and

470
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:18,439
Speaker 1: like trying to do make um up and try to

471
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 1: get on a team to do it comedy in a basement.

472
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 1: It's just so funny now, yes, yeah, thinking about it

473
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 1: seems it seems so important when you're first like starting

474
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 1: to a career and trying to build something like literally

475
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 1: anything you could do to to move the needle forward

476
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 1: seems like the most important, most detrimental thing you could do,

477
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,879
Speaker 1: and it makes you crazy. It makes you crazy because

478
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,880
Speaker 1: it's a structured well, I mean, it's tongue specifically about

479
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 1: like the UCB sort of power hierarchy. It's like it's

480
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 1: a structured proving ground and I feel like, and we

481
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:55,120
Speaker 1: can talk about people have had this conversation before, but like, well,

482
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 1: I'm saying I'm giving to stand up where it's like,

483
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 1: you know, that's a little bit more autonomous in the

484
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 1: way that you improve your skills as a stand up

485
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,400
Speaker 1: certainly with like with the within the community, but it's

486
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 1: it's it's a solitary thing in the process of solitary.

487
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 1: But like Nico, like you probably experienced a cutthroat nous

488
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 1: that was stup. I mean yeah, but like what was like,

489
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 1: what was your experience with it? Well, I I feel

490
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,679
Speaker 1: like the only thing about stand up that I really

491
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:28,400
Speaker 1: loved is that, Um, of course our politics involved with

492
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 1: with the club scene and and how you're gonna go

493
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 1: work in the club and how you're gonna advance the

494
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 1: club and how to get to know the bookers and

495
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 1: all that. But the thing that I really loved about

496
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 1: it is that it is this thing where, um, it

497
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:45,399
Speaker 1: didn't matter that I was the fami faggot on the

498
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 1: scene that the family engaged in on the scene. Um,

499
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: as long as I got up there and crushed. That

500
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 1: was undeniable to everybody else. So all all those bros

501
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,360
Speaker 1: and boys, comedy boys who were just like I rolled

502
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 1: ay and giving me their shade. You know, I couldn't

503
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 1: say shipped to me because I did better than them

504
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: at the open mics. So and so that was the

505
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 1: only thing that really sort of kept me going is that,

506
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: you know, like they may think I'm just a stupid

507
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 1: gay guy, but the fact of the matter is I'm

508
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,400
Speaker 1: getting up in these open mics and and the showcases

509
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 1: and I'm doing really well and the proof is in

510
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 1: the pudding because the audience is laughing. So that was

511
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 1: the only thing that kept me going. And then was

512
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 1: it from doing stand up that you were asked to

513
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: audition for the Diversity Showcase. Yeah, you know, my manager

514
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 1: um really encouraged me. You know, I had moved to

515
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: l A and I was doing stand up, and I

516
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 1: was doing UM I was doing the panel for Chelsea

517
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,880
Speaker 1: Lately at the time, I was kind of getting real

518
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,679
Speaker 1: traction in my in my stand up career, and then

519
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: he encouraged me to try it for the Diversity Showcase.

520
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,400
Speaker 1: And I was like, well, I'm not I don't do sketch.

521
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 1: I'm not an actor, like I really knows, Like, just

522
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: just try it out, you know, your in l a

523
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: people audition, that's what they do. So I kind of

524
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: took my bits and turned them into sketch characters because

525
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 1: I already do characters in my in my stand up

526
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 1: and um. And at first they were like, you're really funny,

527
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: but we hate your haircut. I had this really stupid,

528
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 1: this really swooping sort of gay Hitler haircut. She had

529
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 1: a cascade. Oh lord, it was like saved and severe

530
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 1: in the size and then like a swoop which just

531
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 1: felt like this it was. It was very just very gay,

532
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: and and CBS hated it and they were like, you're

533
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: going to be a writer and I was. I was like, okay,

534
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 1: well whatever, just get my foot indoors. So I got

535
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 1: int as a writer. And then the other Asian guy

536
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: in the cast um dropped out because they got a

537
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: writing job. Andrew Law I don't know, yeah, so he

538
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: was in the cast. He got a job for Seth

539
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: Meyers I believe the time. So he had to drop out.

540
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: And so they were like, let's plug in Nico in

541
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: the parts that Andrew played. And then and then that's

542
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 1: how it kind of became a cast and you popped

543
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: off on the Showcase. And then and then I had

544
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: that one sketch that was really racist funny, um and

545
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: uh and that's kind of how I I yeah, sort

546
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: of like my shining moment in Showcase. I mean, God, like,

547
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 1: isn't that part of isn't that part of like I'm

548
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,239
Speaker 1: gonna I'm just I'm gonna be specific to like an

549
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 1: Asian experience where like upward mobility is coupled with like

550
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: moments of like, oh this sucks, like someone like you know,

551
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? I am very grateful

552
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: to the CBS Showcase. I would not be where I am.

553
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: Like it opened so many doors for me and made

554
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: so many connections. But I you know, I feel like

555
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: I sold a piece of my soul by doing that

556
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,959
Speaker 1: showcase because I did a lot of things that I

557
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,239
Speaker 1: did not want to do. I was asked to do

558
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: a lot of things that I was like, this isn't right. Um.

559
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 1: But you know, at the time, you know, it was

560
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 1: so it was so weird. That was only two thousand fourteen,

561
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: and it was still a very different environment than what

562
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: we have now. Like the Showcase has changed. Now, Yeah,

563
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: it's a CBS Diversity Showcase. Everyone listening just so they

564
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: know what we're talking about. It's the CBS Diversity Showcase, which,

565
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 1: as Nico is saying, has since made changes to be

566
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: to be a better environment. That the industry it stuff

567
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: has has changed so much. But at the time, you know,

568
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: I still was coming from that place where like, you

569
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: better suck it up, you better do what they tell you,

570
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: because the rewards that are going to come from this

571
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: are are going to be great, and you know, and

572
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: I am benefiting from from that experience. But but yeah,

573
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: it's it's a it's a it was a bitter sweet

574
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: pill to swallow. I mean, we bown and I booked

575
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: that showcase and then from asking people about it, decided

576
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: not to do it because it was such a bad

577
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: response we were getting from people that had done it.

578
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: And then I think it was the year after that

579
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: all of that came out about what it was like

580
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: and what the culture was like. And now it has

581
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: since changed a lot, and our friend Dave Mazzoni just

582
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 1: did it last year and had a wonderful experience. Um

583
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: so it's it's great to hear that it's changed. It's

584
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: a shame that it had to change because it was

585
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: so awful, but but it's I'm happy to hear that

586
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: it's gotten better and obviously happy that you did it

587
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: so that you can be nailing it like now. Yeah,

588
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: And I realized that my experience is very sort of

589
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: unique in that, you know, I mean, it takes time

590
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: to sort of build a career and build opportunities. I

591
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: just I feel like it was a combination of hard

592
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: work and luck. A lot of the same things that

593
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: I've that I've that have been given to me, that

594
00:31:53,840 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 1: I've booked, I've just been lucky in some regards. Um,

595
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: I have a question for you, was what did John

596
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: tell you to have a British accent in the movie

597
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: or was that? Was that a Nico choice? Because I

598
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 1: think your your accent in the film is perfect, it

599
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: feels real, it's real. I'm like, wait, Nico's wait, I

600
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: don't think Nico's. When I heard you speak as you,

601
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, when you see Mattea, when you

602
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: see Mate, You're like, oh, that's yeah, that's like I

603
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: guess that could be an American accent anyway, But thank

604
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: you for saying that that that means a lot. I

605
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: really know that was that was a choice. I really

606
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: wanted to stay true to the book. And I also,

607
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: like you know, when I when I was developing the character,

608
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 1: I actually was was asking these questions um uh to

609
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 1: John through my agents, like do they want um a

610
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: Singaporean accent because the singapore access very different, that's your

611
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: pore in British accent. It's sort of like a hybrid um.

612
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: And you know, I worked with a dialect coach to

613
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: sort of land this sort of like because because the

614
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: accident I was going for, you know, Oliver's is very

615
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 1: much like an outsider in his own family, and and

616
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: he is pretentious and wants to convey this image of

617
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: even more so of a wealth and class that that

618
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 1: he doesn't have because he's not as rich as as

619
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: the rest of his family members. So I kind of

620
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: wanted to sort of like pashi snobby accent, you know,

621
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: I achieve compared to the rest of the family, where

622
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: there's sort of like more natural British. Sure, tell the

623
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: tell the tell the story about you trying to speak

624
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: Cantonese and who you helped find the God? Okay please,

625
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: So I'm on the plane to Malaysia. I booked this,

626
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: I booked the part. I was like so excited. I

627
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: was like, great, Um, I'm on the plane, um, you know,

628
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:59,719
Speaker 1: flying flying business class. Thank you Warner comfort and class.

629
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: It was great. Um. And then I get an email saying, hey, UM,

630
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: here's the cantonese line that you have to say in

631
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: that scene. I'm like, excuse, what was that cantonese line? Um? Okay,

632
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 1: uh great, no, no, yeah, I can totally do that.

633
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 1: I can totally do that. And they sent me, uh

634
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 1: an audio, an audio, a file of what the cantonese

635
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: line is, and I'm like, I speak Cantonese, you know,

636
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: I'm Filipino. Um. So I learned. I learned it phonetically.

637
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: I listen to it over and over and over and

638
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: over again. And then after working in it for hours,

639
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Speaker 1: I also had the realization that the dialect coach that

640
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: they have is this older Chinese guy who's sort of gruff,

641
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: and Oliver is then sort of you know, classy, and

642
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, I can't say it the way he's saying it,

643
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: because it's going to sound like an old butcher if

644
00:34:58,080 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 1: I say it this way. So I had to go

645
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: to my makeup artist who spoke cantonese. I was like,

646
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: who was very queen. And I was like, girl, do

647
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 1: me a favor and say this for me. And then

648
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: I had him recorded lines and then I listened to it.

649
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: Listen to it, listen to hours practiced it. The scene comes.

650
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 1: It is the scene where we're making dumplings. The entire

651
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: families there, we have uh amah, and then Michelle Yo,

652
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,280
Speaker 1: the beautiful Michelle You at the table, and then my line,

653
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 1: it's my turn to speak, and I was like, this

654
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: is my moment. I've been rehearsing for so long, worked

655
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 1: so hard. Say it, Nico say it. I say it,

656
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: and then this is silence. And then Michelle Yo just

657
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: looks at me and goes, what are you saying? And

658
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: I just turned right white, and I'm just like, I

659
00:35:51,040 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 1: don't know. But she was. She wasn't like antagonizing you.

660
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 1: She was just being like, huh, that's exactly what I

661
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 1: was like. I was like, that's what it was. I

662
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: was more tified, mortified. She can like cut you off

663
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 1: at the knees with anything, just with like a glance

664
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,760
Speaker 1: or like oh my god. Well, especially in that character,

665
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 1: she she was so amazing and just wonderful, Like she

666
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: could tell at a certain point that I was really nervous,

667
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,439
Speaker 1: as as one would be filming a movie aig big

668
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:39,280
Speaker 1: stars and a legend like her, and she knelt down

669
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: and whispered to my ear just before we started rolling.

670
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: She was like, just relax and like grabbed my shoulders,

671
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: like just relax, and I was, And I was also like, yeah,

672
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 1: that is the iconic legend Michelle Yoh. We talked about

673
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: her often on this podcast, amazing and brilliant and gracious,

674
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 1: and that she was so good in that movie. And

675
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 1: whenever an actress brings her own jewelry into the production,

676
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: that's how you know that you're dealing with allegend. Yes,

677
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: I mean, and let me just say we also saw

678
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: joey that she wore that wasn't in the movie. Were like, huh,

679
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,879
Speaker 1: one thing. One thing like that I feel like gets

680
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: lost in like, because there's so much to say about

681
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: crazy rich Asians, people don't talk about Jemmy cham Like.

682
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: We saw it together, Bone and I saw it together,

683
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 1: and I think I looked over to Bone and I

684
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: was like, that is the most beautiful woman I've ever

685
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 1: seen in my entire life, and such a good actress

686
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: and is it now correct me if I'm wrong. But

687
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 1: the sequel is Astrid focus, it's more to do with Astrid.

688
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: I have not read that. I mean like, I mean

689
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: like I guess Nico can't talk about it though I

690
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: can't talk. Listen, I haven't seen a script you talk about.

691
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: I haven't seen the script. I can't. I K you

692
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: want to know. Um So I think the thing is

693
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: that the first movie departs pretty far from how the

694
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:23,399
Speaker 1: first book ends, and um, okay, that I can't say.

695
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 1: But what I can't say, I'm starting to filter, like yeah, wow,

696
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 1: it's like it's almost like you have an n d A.

697
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,839
Speaker 1: But I think I think the idea is that they're

698
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,359
Speaker 1: just now going to do uh what they want with

699
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 1: who's available at the time. There is the film like

700
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:44,919
Speaker 1: once we can film again. Yeah, I see. I think

701
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: that's a big brush forward. I will. I think I

702
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:51,399
Speaker 1: might get in trouble for saying this. But I met

703
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 1: with John before Pandemic head but the teaser viller, no

704
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: no no, but he showed me the first the first

705
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: number in in the heights and jealous. It's incredible and

706
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 1: and I'm so sad that like people aren't gonna be

707
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 1: able to see it for another summer, for another year.

708
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:17,800
Speaker 1: But John, oh my god, and the best, so nice

709
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: that I had met him once before, and then we

710
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 1: ran into him on the street outside of an ice

711
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: cream shop. Remember gave me He yeah, he knew he

712
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: remember that I was the boyfriend. But then he had

713
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: a speculus like ice cream and he gave me a

714
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,839
Speaker 1: bite from his spoon from his cup so I could

715
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: try the ice cream. You know what, that's the best.

716
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 1: I'm just some like rando guy, and he's like, here,

717
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: you can break people into two groups. You can share

718
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: my ice cream right off the cone, or you cannot,

719
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: and I prefer to be in the former group. Let's

720
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,760
Speaker 1: all share our ice creams. Of course, now during COVID,

721
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: please everyone stay home and stay inside. No sharing of

722
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: ice creams. But in general, once the vaccines come through,

723
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 1: what's it's all like each other's cones. And with that,

724
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,720
Speaker 1: we're gonna taken. We're gonna take just the quickest break

725
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 1: and then we're going to talk about disclosure. So we'll

726
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 1: be right back and we are back in fact, and

727
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: I'm so happy that we are because this movie Disclosure,

728
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: this documentary that's on Netflix now that I want everyone

729
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: to watch, and I I have been telling everyone about

730
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: it is unbelievable. Zike, do you want to talk a

731
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 1: little bit about how you got involved, what it is?

732
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 1: Just like let us know, sure. Um. So, Disclosure Translates

733
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: on Screen is a documentary that you can currently watch

734
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,320
Speaker 1: on Netflix Flicks and please do and once you watch

735
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: it and are moved, which inevitably you will be, so

736
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 1: tell everybody you know about it to to watch it. Um.

737
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: We we had we had a premiere at Sundance um

738
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: in January, like right before things started locking down, and

739
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: and that was a ton of fun. Uh. We were

740
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: in like the Getty. Uh the way it works at Sundances,

741
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 1: they turn all of the restaurants and art galleries into

742
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: press studios. So like you're like, I'm going to Johnny's

743
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 1: Pizza to take pictures for Getty, and then I'm going

744
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 1: to the Who's the Watson Art Gallery to take pictures

745
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: for Variety whatever it is. So we're, um, We're like

746
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,839
Speaker 1: in this pizza place and all of a sudden, like

747
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 1: the Secret Service walks in and it's like everybody on

748
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 1: the left side of the room needs to move to

749
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: the left. Everybody on the right side of the room

750
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:34,919
Speaker 1: needs to move to the right, and it's it's very

751
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: calm um. And then like in walks Hillary Clinton with

752
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: her entourage. Yeah. Yeah, so she like in walks Hillary

753
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: with her entourage and everyone is looking at her and

754
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: she's like Hi, hello, yes, and you're like, holy ship,

755
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 1: that's that's Hillary Clinton. Want pictures? And then they left

756
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh wow, Uh, it was just there

757
00:41:56,160 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 1: was like Hillary Clinton just sucked. Imagine every time you've

758
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: walked into a room for the past thirty years that

759
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: everyone has stopped and stared at you as you walking. Yeah,

760
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:14,280
Speaker 1: that's that's It's hard. I I covered Sundance for Vulture

761
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: the year prior, so I was there and um, it's

762
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: just insane the level of celebrity that rolls through that

763
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: very small really it's a street. Yeah. That's what people

764
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: don't get is that it's just that one like road

765
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: and you're walking by and it's like, oh, I just

766
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: walked past blithe Banner, like stroll him. But you went

767
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: there with the film. But we went there with the film.

768
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 1: We had a really good premiere, and then there were

769
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,399
Speaker 1: all of these plans to have a theatrical release UM

770
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 1: to package it into sort of like an educational thing

771
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: that we could take to schools and and we work

772
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: places to educate. But then the pandemic happened and we

773
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: just really wanted people to see it, So it ended

774
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 1: up on Netflix released on on June team, which was

775
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: intentional because the I would say the primary focus and

776
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: lens of the of the of the film is not

777
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: just about how trans people have been portrayed, but also

778
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,240
Speaker 1: about how black trans people and trans people of color

779
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: UM have been portrayed, and how much of what we

780
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 1: have seen images of trans people, which are almost exclusively

781
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: written by people who are not trans, how those images

782
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,839
Speaker 1: have really shaped and formed who and what we think

783
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,919
Speaker 1: trans people are, not just too like what SIS people

784
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,800
Speaker 1: think trans people are, but how those images have informed

785
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 1: how trans people ourselves, understand ourselves, and that like we

786
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 1: both have work, like we trans and SIS people have

787
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: work to do in like you know, untangling these image

788
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: and our images and our psyches to like understand the

789
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: real lived experiences of trans people UM and I saw.

790
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,439
Speaker 1: I got involved in the project about three years ago.

791
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: I was at outfest s a transpanel on out an

792
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 1: Outfest which is an LGBT from festival here in l A.

793
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: And Sam Feder, the director, just had a rough cut

794
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 1: of twenty minutes, no commentary. It was just twenty minutes

795
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 1: of images from d W. Griffith to Laverne Cox in

796
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: Orange is the New Black and just seeing that, just

797
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,439
Speaker 1: watching the images and watching how one had bled into

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00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 1: the other, and then all of a sudden there was

799
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: this abrupt little change at the end. It was really powerful.

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00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:30,359
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the same event that Laverne Cox was at,

801
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 1: which um you know, inspired her to become the executive

802
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: producer of the film. And uh yeah, I love the director.

803
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 1: He's just like a great guy named Sam Feder, and

804
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 1: he's a buddy, a buddy of mine. We really enjoy him.

805
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: But it's been um yeah, it's it's been so exciting

806
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,479
Speaker 1: for us because the documentary has been so like well

807
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 1: received and so broadly received, and we just didn't know

808
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:55,720
Speaker 1: if it was just gonna get buried in the Netflix

809
00:44:55,760 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: algorithm and the you know, the the the outpouring of

810
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 1: um you know, support, and you know, the feeling that

811
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: it's really touched people's lives is you know, I've been

812
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 1: very exciting. We're very happy hearing. I feel like the

813
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:13,839
Speaker 1: significance to the connection to Juneteenth is probably rooted in

814
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: the sort of birth of a nation of it all,

815
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 1: which is which I think, like is the seed crystal

816
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: of the way that media representations affect perceptions of marginalized people.

817
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 1: Two with I mean with within I was gonna say

818
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: two wider odds, but just within society because of that,

819
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 1: because I mean, a portrayal of a trans person, let's say,

820
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: a negative portrayal of a trans person will negatively affect

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00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: a trans person in a way that like a racist

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00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 1: portrayal of a person of color or a black person

823
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:44,760
Speaker 1: will negatively impact a black person. I mean, I'm saying

824
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 1: something that that goes without saying, but like that's I mean, yeah,

825
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 1: it does. It is rooted in that kind of original

826
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 1: struggle of media representation, which is which I think the

827
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 1: movie even like like sort of unearthed in a way

828
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: that really struck me, which is that we the more

829
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,879
Speaker 1: representation we have of trans people, then in some ways,

830
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 1: the more violence is enacted upon trans people, which is

831
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 1: like the chilling thing of it all. I think it

832
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,760
Speaker 1: is like trans people have been going to the bathroom

833
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:16,879
Speaker 1: for decades now and it's only within the past, only

834
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,439
Speaker 1: in the past decades. Okay, so only in the past

835
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: five years that like anyone has decided to have a

836
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 1: problem with trans people going to the bathroom. Um. And

837
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: that's true. With visibility does come more violence. But I

838
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: think that this is like, this is an inevitable hump

839
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 1: in any sort of struggle. Is you know if you

840
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: when you live in the shadows, yes it's technically safer,

841
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: but you're not really living at all. And as you

842
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 1: attempt to emerge into the light, people are going to

843
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: fight you. But I think you know what, what we

844
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: believe is that we will that we will win, and

845
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: we will no longer walk in fear. Um. And you know,

846
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 1: also how much pushback you get is dependent upon other factors.

847
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 1: It's depended upon you know, our you a woman, are

848
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: you a person of color? You know, so many of

849
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:07,280
Speaker 1: those other intersectional factors play a role in the amount

850
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: of violence of transfers and experiences. You said something when

851
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: the focus I mean, first of all, yes, I mean sorry,

852
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,240
Speaker 1: I'm all over the place. But the documentary is remarkable

853
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 1: in the way that is seamless in these the sequence

854
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 1: of footage that it shows, and then it moves from

855
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 1: topic to topic or genre to gen or project projects

856
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: so seamlessly, and then at a certain point it gets

857
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 1: to transmasculine representation and you talk about how, um, transmasculine

858
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: representation isn't as or just being transmasculine is not as

859
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 1: scandalous sexy sexy. Yes, that might be true, but it

860
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: still doesn't minic It doesn't really it doesn't take away

861
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 1: from the oppression of a transmasculine person even though they're not.

862
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 1: Even though that it's it's it's it's it's more. I'm

863
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 1: gonna say here, I think that what you're trying to

864
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 1: get at is, um, the experiences of like the violence

865
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: or the oppression that that trans people face is is

866
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:08,839
Speaker 1: split sort of whether or not you're a trans man

867
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: or trans woman, because trans women face violence and pushback

868
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: because they are hyper visible. Um, they can you know

869
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 1: people you know, they're they're they are visibly read as

870
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 1: trans or they are visible in the media, whereas trans

871
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:26,359
Speaker 1: men are much less visible. And also trans men you know,

872
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 1: it's sort of like you grow a beard and you

873
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: cut your hair and nobody really thinks twice about it. Right, Um,

874
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 1: but that does mean we we live in in silence

875
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 1: and the shadows. We don't know how to find um

876
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:43,359
Speaker 1: other people like us. You know, you knew me when

877
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 1: I was you know, before I really told people that

878
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:50,760
Speaker 1: I was trans. And part of that, uh, the reason

879
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: why is that I just didn't have any trans adults

880
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 1: in my life. Like I had a couple of mentors

881
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: in college who helped me transition. But once like you know,

882
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 1: I got to New York, I graduated from college, all

883
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,240
Speaker 1: of my sort of like trans stuff was in order,

884
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 1: and I didn't know how to go about being in

885
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,359
Speaker 1: the world as a trans person. And I was like, well,

886
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: this is just a lot easier people don't know that

887
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,399
Speaker 1: I'm I feel a lot more seen when people don't

888
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,479
Speaker 1: know that I'm trans. But that did, sort of, like

889
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 1: you know, cause a part of me to be put

890
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 1: on on the back burner for a very long time. Well,

891
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 1: people say representation matters so much that it almost loses

892
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 1: its impact. But the representation matters households. I mean, yes,

893
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 1: we talk about it at least once every day. Yeah,

894
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 1: But but when you see this documentary, you will understand

895
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 1: in a whole new level why representation matters. Because, as

896
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 1: you were saying, when you're growing up trans as everyone

897
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: and there's so many amazing people that are featured in

898
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 1: this documentary. But as everyone makes clear, because there is

899
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 1: no one to look when when you were the only example,

900
00:49:55,480 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 1: that's the example, and when repeatedly those examples are I

901
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:04,319
Speaker 1: mean even in the quote unquote great films that have

902
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:08,359
Speaker 1: been nominated for Oscars or the portrayals of trans people

903
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: have been OSCAR nominated. So it's almost like saying to

904
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: the viewer like this was capital G good and this

905
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 1: is what is aspirational about you know, being trans or

906
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 1: how how you treat a trans person, and you see

907
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 1: broken down the documentary, no one piece of media has

908
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 1: really ever gotten it right, because there's really and even

909
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 1: the things like Boys Don't Cry, where there is so

910
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:34,760
Speaker 1: much great about the film, they completely erase the black

911
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 1: man that was killed alongside to the alongside Brandon, and

912
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 1: so it's it's still even because there's so few examples,

913
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:48,320
Speaker 1: those are the examples that we have, and that's my

914
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: representation matters because not only is a general audience watching that,

915
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 1: but trans kids are watching that, trans people are watching that,

916
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 1: and so as you were saying, it really influences the

917
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:01,399
Speaker 1: psyche and how they see themselves. I remember even being

918
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: assis white gay kid and thinking I would die, but

919
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:08,720
Speaker 1: whether by suicide or AIDS, because that's what I was told,

920
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I can't even imagine

921
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 1: like only seeing something like the silence of the lamps,

922
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like, while it's an quote

923
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 1: unquote incredible film Oscar nominated, it still was a depiction

924
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,399
Speaker 1: of a trans person that was a serial killer. And

925
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: because they're so few examples of trans people on screen,

926
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 1: people see that and they think, well, that must be

927
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,879
Speaker 1: what trans people are. And it sounds crazy now, but

928
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,839
Speaker 1: that's the reality, and that the film does it incredible

929
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:45,839
Speaker 1: uh job of showing that and making people understand that. Yeah,

930
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 1: And I think, so Jen Richards is this incredible. She's

931
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 1: in super Bowl, um, and she has this this line

932
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 1: of the documentary which is like, the way we fix

933
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 1: this is we just have more Because if you have

934
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 1: more trans representation that is like ideally written, directed and

935
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 1: performed by trans people, then like when someone does something shitty,

936
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 1: you know, piece has like a shitty trans character, it

937
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 1: won't matter as much because it will be diluted by

938
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 1: the rest of the good representation. Exactly, absolutely, And I

939
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 1: just it's so it really is emotional, like when when

940
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 1: they get to the point of the documentary when you

941
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 1: see the credits of Oranges of the New Black start

942
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,320
Speaker 1: to come on, like the opening credits, the iconic opening

943
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 1: credits that we all remember so well from the first

944
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 1: time we started watching it on Netflix. Um, because you realize, like,

945
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: you know, while it was about a woman's prison, you

946
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,240
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like, so even with that, there's

947
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 1: like you take the good, you take the bad, we

948
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:45,359
Speaker 1: still got really one of the first like humane, like

949
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 1: fully rounded representations of a trans person and it wasn't

950
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 1: portrayed by a straight actor, you know, it was portrayed

951
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 1: authentically by a trans person. And just how huge that was? Right, Yeah, yes,

952
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 1: that's what I meant. So it was the trans role

953
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 1: was not portrayed by as actor. And even with even

954
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 1: with the Candice Cane and dirty sexy money of it all,

955
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 1: like the fact, like how soul crushing is it doesn't

956
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: have to be to like get all amped up to

957
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 1: watch like your TV debut or just like you're never

958
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 1: TV debut, and then to have them lower your voice

959
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:20,800
Speaker 1: by octaves. It's like, oh my god, wait a minute,

960
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,399
Speaker 1: Like even after you do the job, and even after

961
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 1: you're like on set and like that's a fraud environment

962
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 1: where you're like making sure you do a good job.

963
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 1: The camera's on you, it's your it's you know, it's

964
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,359
Speaker 1: it's your coverage. You do it. And I'm sure like

965
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 1: she like was going through a million different emotions in

966
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 1: the production of that. But after the fact, after you wrap,

967
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 1: someone else can still get their hands in there and

968
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 1: funk it up. I don't know, It's a betrayal, a

969
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: betrayal of the highest and to not to not even

970
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 1: get a phone calls just like this is happening totally. Um,

971
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 1: speaking of betrayals, I don't know, is it's a dumb segue. Well,

972
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:57,919
Speaker 1: I just want to talk about Okay, you've you've talked

973
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:00,040
Speaker 1: to death about this, I'm sure, Zeke, But the the

974
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 1: the speaking of disclosure, I mean, how do you how

975
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 1: do you look back on this now? I mean now

976
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 1: that you have even more distance from it than you

977
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: were talking about. So, first of all, I almost feel

978
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 1: bad that like Zeke's survivor experience is boiled down to

979
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 1: this thing that happened, and and and I because Zeke,

980
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:22,879
Speaker 1: you are an unbelievable strategic Survivor player and that needs

981
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:25,479
Speaker 1: to be and you know that. And he went after

982
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 1: he went after Sandra Diaz Twine and he did not.

983
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:32,319
Speaker 1: I am the original new Slayer and I want to

984
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:36,320
Speaker 1: talk more about more about that. But but I Bowen

985
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:41,399
Speaker 1: is asking about Jeff Varner's outing of you, and just

986
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 1: like what that because it is really it's an iconic

987
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,840
Speaker 1: moment in television history for LGBT people. I was wondering

988
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 1: if that was ever like discussed as being part of

989
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 1: the film, because I was kind of surprised to see

990
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 1: that it wasn't included. Yeah, so uh there. I think

991
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 1: there was like a segment about my being did in

992
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 1: in the film until like one of the later cuts

993
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 1: that was one of the last things cut. Um And

994
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it, but some argument should have been

995
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 1: in the film. I feel, you know, I'm trying not

996
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 1: to be a diva about these things because it's the

997
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 1: community on the youth. Um. But but like I mentioned,

998
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:24,760
Speaker 1: the director is a very close friend of mine, and

999
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 1: he was explaining that, you know, sort of the significance

1000
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: of my time on Survivor is that, you know, much

1001
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 1: like in other media, the trans person is outed, but

1002
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 1: in my instance, people didn't you know, vomit or have

1003
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 1: a violent reaction. In fact, everybody like stood up and

1004
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 1: defended me. And the the bad person was not the

1005
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 1: trans person who did not disclose their gender history. It

1006
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 1: was the person who outed me. Um. And yeah, so

1007
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 1: like the focus was not so much on the trans

1008
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: like and that's true, Like my my trans story on

1009
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:59,800
Speaker 1: Survivor was more about like, oh hey, everybody rallied around

1010
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 1: me more than it was like Zeke got out in

1011
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 1: damn he found seventeen idols and triumphed and won the show. Um,

1012
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:10,479
Speaker 1: because that's not what happened. Um. But yeah, uh yeah,

1013
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 1: so I guess to put some context to go in.

1014
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 1: I was on Survivor about three years ago. I did

1015
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 1: two seasons back to back. So I did one and

1016
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:22,399
Speaker 1: then two weeks later I went back and did another one,

1017
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 1: And in the midst of that second season, I was

1018
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:30,760
Speaker 1: outed as transgender, and that I was transgender made global

1019
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 1: headlines when it aired. Um. And as to how I

1020
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:37,840
Speaker 1: feel about it, I don't know. It's weird. Like a

1021
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:39,400
Speaker 1: lot of Survivor, it just sort of feels like a

1022
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 1: fever dream. It feels like this thing. I'm pretty disconnected

1023
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 1: from UM. But I I guess I sort of feel

1024
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 1: two ways about it. One is that like, I am

1025
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 1: very proud and I will always be very proud of

1026
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 1: how much of an impact that moment made in the

1027
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 1: lives of so many trans kids and their parents. Um.

1028
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 1: And I had a lot of emails from kids and

1029
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 1: their parents and those always are super meaningful. And I

1030
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 1: also get a chance to talk to people who I

1031
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 1: don't think I had an opinion one way or the

1032
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 1: other on trans people and now are like, oh, I

1033
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 1: have an understanding of what trans people are and I

1034
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,319
Speaker 1: would like to be supportive of them. I recently got

1035
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:18,959
Speaker 1: an Instagram message from a trans dude in the Army

1036
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 1: and he was like, um, he had to go meet

1037
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 1: with this new commanding officer. And he was like, oh God,

1038
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 1: the commanding officer wants to meet with the trans guy.

1039
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 1: This is going to be the whole thing. And he

1040
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 1: walks into the guy's office and the guys like so

1041
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 1: Like I watched Survivor, I saw Zeke I get it.

1042
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 1: Just wanted to let you know you're cool, and you're

1043
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 1: like all right, like that, if you can, if you can,

1044
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 1: you know, if my experience can make other trans people's

1045
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 1: lives like easier and that there are like fewer hurdles

1046
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 1: to jump through than like, I am very proud of that. UM,

1047
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 1: I do have misgivings about the ethics of how Survivor

1048
00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 1: is made. I hear that, Yeah, I totally. I wanted

1049
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 1: to ask you specifically about UM, the way that they

1050
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 1: treated it on set. I wanted to know when it happened,

1051
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 1: did they was there any conversation about was it up

1052
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 1: to you whether it would be included UM or was

1053
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 1: it just kind of like this is going to be

1054
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 1: included and so let's take a second and you decide

1055
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 1: the way you want to respond, Like what what happens

1056
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 1: during a reality television show where this thing that's going

1057
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 1: to impact your life in such a major way goes

1058
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 1: down and then you have to continue. Yeah, so you know,

1059
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 1: he he said what he said, And I'm pretty sure

1060
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 1: I'm quite confident they knew that that was going to

1061
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 1: happen before we worked into Tribal Council though, I really really,

1062
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure, Yeah, he was alluding to it or

1063
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 1: had explicitly said that he was going to do it, UM,

1064
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, so we walk in there and

1065
00:58:57,240 --> 00:59:00,080
Speaker 1: it happens, and it's just it was very emotional, so

1066
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 1: everyone is just consumed by the moment. And I sort

1067
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 1: of like went into a state of shock and like

1068
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 1: didn't talk for almost like forty five minutes, but everyone

1069
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 1: around me was sort of like I was like, okay,

1070
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 1: what how do I need to defend myself? And then

1071
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 1: everyone just like around me was saying the exact right

1072
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 1: things that needed to be said. Um. And then I

1073
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 1: sort of like came back to and was like, okay,

1074
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 1: how can we like kind of just like put a

1075
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:25,480
Speaker 1: bow on this and wrap it up? But it was

1076
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 1: just it was very real. It was very like real

1077
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 1: two and a half hours of everyone's life that was

1078
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 1: very emotional, and there would have then there was no

1079
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:38,919
Speaker 1: natural pacing to stop it. It's not like and nor

1080
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 1: nor is that Jeff style, right if Jeff is very

1081
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 1: much survivor being about the culture and what happens is

1082
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 1: real and YadA YadA YadA um. And so it happened,

1083
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 1: and then I had an interview the next morning about it,

1084
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 1: and then it was basically like we all said like, Okay,

1085
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:58,920
Speaker 1: we're just gonna pretend that this didn't happen, um, which

1086
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 1: like is the best thing you can do when survivor

1087
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:05,919
Speaker 1: going forward, right, because now I became a target because

1088
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 1: like I had a story, so after it happened, there

1089
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 1: was no way I was gonna win anything. And also

1090
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 1: like no one really like appreciated that something really terrible

1091
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 1: had happened to me and that I was sort of

1092
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 1: like spiraling out of control emotionally, like it was there

1093
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 1: were very bad things happening inside my head, but we

1094
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 1: just like no one was talking about it. So like mercifully,

1095
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 1: I get voted off like eleven days later, and then

1096
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:34,920
Speaker 1: like the next day, I'm talking with the therapist and

1097
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 1: the show therapist and she's like, so we're gonna put

1098
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 1: you in therapy when you get home, and we want

1099
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 1: you to find someone expensive and won't want you to

1100
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 1: go once a week. And I was like okay, great,

1101
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:46,959
Speaker 1: And then like a day after that, I was having

1102
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 1: conversations with Jeff about like we're going to make this

1103
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:51,959
Speaker 1: a really important moment and if you can just play

1104
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 1: ball with us, then we can do great things. We

1105
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 1: can do people Magazine, we can like I have this

1106
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:58,920
Speaker 1: vision and I'm gonna take care of you and I'm

1107
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 1: gonna fight for you if you can lay ball with us,

1108
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 1: and that's sort of what the conversation. There's never like

1109
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 1: can we air this? How should we tell the story?

1110
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 1: It was more like a pitch from Jeff being like, hey,

1111
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 1: you want to be my friend, Let's let's do it

1112
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:15,240
Speaker 1: this way. And I wanted to to be his friend,

1113
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 1: because when you're doing a reality show, it doesn't you know,

1114
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 1: you sign a contract. It's basically like guaranteeing them to

1115
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 1: give you your firstborn and then they can kill you afterwards,

1116
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 1: right like, and they put you in a position where

1117
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:32,960
Speaker 1: you're made to feel really disempowered, like you don't have

1118
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 1: any control over anything. And I had been living in

1119
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 1: survivor Land for essentially four months at that point, so

1120
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 1: it's not like I got back my autonomy or you know,

1121
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 1: like typical like you know Rare are Power zeke Um.

1122
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 1: That would be like, fuck you, this is how it's

1123
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:52,120
Speaker 1: going to go. I was just like, okay, please just

1124
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 1: don't make me look like an idiot. Please just please,

1125
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 1: because because essentially you are at their mercy because they're

1126
01:01:57,240 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 1: editing it. Yeah, you don't want to say, uh no,

1127
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 1: I'm unhappy with this, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you,

1128
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 1: because again you've signed away your rights to that. So

1129
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:07,560
Speaker 1: really it's sort of like a courtesy that they're even

1130
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 1: coming to ask, because ultimately they're going to edit it

1131
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 1: however they want, right and you just have to be

1132
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 1: grateful and and say thank you. And that's what I

1133
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 1: did for a very long time. And UM, so if

1134
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 1: you're not a Survivor fan, you probably don't know that.

1135
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 1: In UM season thirty nine, which was the Survivor season

1136
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 1: in the Fall, there's a young woman who was like

1137
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 1: repeatedly sexually harassed and they handled it very, very poorly.

1138
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:33,520
Speaker 1: And I can tell you that I was treated very

1139
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 1: differently than than Kelly Kim, who's the young woman who

1140
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 1: had to endure they repeated sexual harassment. I was treated

1141
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 1: very differently than she was, and I think that a

1142
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:45,240
Speaker 1: large part of that is I was always willing to

1143
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 1: play ball, and also I'm white and I'm a guy.

1144
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 1: I think that those play a big role and are

1145
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:55,080
Speaker 1: being treated differently. Anyway, sorry to go on this side.

1146
01:02:56,240 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 1: I think it's really important because Survived has such a

1147
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 1: general you don't get a more general audience than that,

1148
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 1: so the way that they handle something like that is

1149
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:11,920
Speaker 1: really important. And I also wanted to ask so what

1150
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:15,200
Speaker 1: happened to you? The outing that became a major story

1151
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:18,760
Speaker 1: point for the eventual spoiler alert winner of that season,

1152
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 1: who was Officer Sarah Lissina on Game Changers. She really

1153
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:27,000
Speaker 1: really gave her a moment um to say that she

1154
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:30,520
Speaker 1: had sort of come around and had like now understood

1155
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 1: in this moment of this all happening, and she had

1156
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 1: made a personal turning point. And I think that was

1157
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:38,080
Speaker 1: obviously baked into the edit because they knew she would win. Um,

1158
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:41,240
Speaker 1: what is your opinion of her and the way that

1159
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 1: they sort of gave that moment to her. Um. So,

1160
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 1: Sarah was my closest ally and my closest friend. UM

1161
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:54,200
Speaker 1: during that season therapy. You know, Andrew Belkie, I knew

1162
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 1: outside of the Survivor and we weren't that you know,

1163
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 1: Sarah and I were very tight, I allies on the show. Yeah. Yeah,

1164
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 1: Like I do think that is Um, that that is

1165
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:10,960
Speaker 1: accurate as to how she felt in the moment, and

1166
01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:14,080
Speaker 1: you know, we continue to be friends. I remember being

1167
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:17,800
Speaker 1: very perplexing because I I loved Sarah so much. I

1168
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 1: really lobbied hard for her to win, and UM, because

1169
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:25,040
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, we have this like beautiful friendship

1170
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:27,240
Speaker 1: even though we are political beliefs stone aligned and we have,

1171
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:30,640
Speaker 1: you know, different backgrounds. And then I remember she like

1172
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:34,000
Speaker 1: walked into like dinner after the final Travel Council after

1173
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 1: we voted to give a million dollars and she was

1174
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:39,040
Speaker 1: wearing a Maga hat, and I was just like, oh

1175
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:42,000
Speaker 1: my god. But for her, and I think this is

1176
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:44,720
Speaker 1: true for a lot of the police officers I know,

1177
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:49,200
Speaker 1: is that like they have this like this cognitive dissidence,

1178
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:51,760
Speaker 1: this like split in their mind where they can have

1179
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:54,080
Speaker 1: friends who are LGBT, they can have friends who are liberal,

1180
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:55,880
Speaker 1: they can have friends who are Muslim or whatever, and

1181
01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:59,400
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, these are good people, but I'm still

1182
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:03,240
Speaker 1: gonna vote for Trump because of these like external political

1183
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:07,120
Speaker 1: beliefs that I have. It's really sort of confounding because

1184
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:10,480
Speaker 1: she gets such a heroic narrative on that show, and

1185
01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:13,640
Speaker 1: in season forty she has this big speech about gender

1186
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:18,000
Speaker 1: bias right on and very articulate about it, like has

1187
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:21,280
Speaker 1: this like feminist monologue. And then you're like, but how

1188
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 1: are you how do you not get there? You have

1189
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:29,560
Speaker 1: to think the police officer thing runs deep. Yeah, so

1190
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:32,720
Speaker 1: that's really But anyway, I had to ask about all

1191
01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:35,800
Speaker 1: about about that because I was, and I really was

1192
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:38,200
Speaker 1: wondering why they didn't include it in disclosure. I really

1193
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:40,320
Speaker 1: was because it was such a I mean, I think

1194
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:43,280
Speaker 1: it was one of the it was so many millions

1195
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:47,320
Speaker 1: of people watching it. But impact was was the scale

1196
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:49,800
Speaker 1: of the impact was significant. We need to take a

1197
01:05:49,880 --> 01:06:01,800
Speaker 1: quick break and then ask the question, and we're back.

1198
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 1: So we have to ask our guests the question. Nico

1199
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:09,600
Speaker 1: Let's start with you. This is the question, what is

1200
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:11,480
Speaker 1: the culture that made you say culture was for you?

1201
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:14,400
Speaker 1: This is like the formative thing that pushed your life

1202
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:19,960
Speaker 1: into a cultural direction. Does that make sense? Nico? Um,

1203
01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 1: kind of sure, Like like like like a formative thing

1204
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:28,840
Speaker 1: that you probably saw growing up or you read, or

1205
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:33,520
Speaker 1: like a person who you probably sort of uh imprinted

1206
01:06:33,560 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 1: on very quickly. I would have to say, I would

1207
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:41,120
Speaker 1: have to say, you know, it's the the I'm much

1208
01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:50,200
Speaker 1: older than all of you. No, yeah, Um, the Wonder

1209
01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:54,959
Speaker 1: Woman TV series with Linda Carter. Yeah, yeah, with Linda Carter.

1210
01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 1: So like when I was growing up in the Philippines,

1211
01:06:58,080 --> 01:07:01,760
Speaker 1: they would show reruns of it, Um, and I just

1212
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:04,880
Speaker 1: remember as a little kid being so fascinated by it.

1213
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:09,080
Speaker 1: I'm just like, who is the statuesque white lady who

1214
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:12,040
Speaker 1: was fabulous, and then all of a sudden she starts

1215
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:17,040
Speaker 1: spinning and explosions. She turns even more fabulous. I'm like,

1216
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:20,680
Speaker 1: oh my god. I really was so taken by her,

1217
01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:25,400
Speaker 1: and the theme song was amazing. Can you perform it?

1218
01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 1: Autama like if I? Yeah, yes, fine and yes Adam

1219
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:45,000
Speaker 1: ties andrad there vibrato, vibrato right there. I was obsessed

1220
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:48,160
Speaker 1: with her, so probably why it turned out the way

1221
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:51,400
Speaker 1: I am. I well, I have a question. What do

1222
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:56,880
Speaker 1: you think of the adaptation that is Galga Doze Wonder Woman?

1223
01:07:57,520 --> 01:08:01,560
Speaker 1: I actually really like it. Me too, I can't wait

1224
01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:04,360
Speaker 1: for the one the second one is coming out. It

1225
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:07,200
Speaker 1: makes so good. Yeah, because I think that's gonna be

1226
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:11,960
Speaker 1: more of along the lines of the Linda Carter because

1227
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:15,320
Speaker 1: in this same era, So I'm more excited for that. Yeah.

1228
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:16,960
Speaker 1: It's almost like they did the first one so they

1229
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:19,400
Speaker 1: could do the second one. Yeah, exactly that. This is

1230
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:21,400
Speaker 1: the full realization of that. But did that like open

1231
01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:23,800
Speaker 1: the door to like other comic books or was it

1232
01:08:24,200 --> 01:08:27,080
Speaker 1: exclusively Wonder Woman in Linda Oh no. I was a huge,

1233
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:31,160
Speaker 1: huge comic book nerd growing up. I was like I

1234
01:08:31,320 --> 01:08:34,320
Speaker 1: collected comic books, you know, X men, and I was

1235
01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:37,960
Speaker 1: like Marvel in d C. I had like signed comic

1236
01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:41,080
Speaker 1: books by Jim Lee and Art Adams. I played dungeons

1237
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:44,519
Speaker 1: and dragons. I was like a huge herd growing up.

1238
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:47,240
Speaker 1: And then when I moved to the United States, I

1239
01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:50,120
Speaker 1: kind of was like, well, um, I need to reinvent

1240
01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:52,600
Speaker 1: myself because I was a huge stork. So what do

1241
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 1: I do? I joined the drama club, which and what

1242
01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:01,040
Speaker 1: kind of productions? That just stopped the boards. In My

1243
01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:05,320
Speaker 1: first role in Centennial High School in Gresham, Oregon, was

1244
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:10,479
Speaker 1: I was a Naziene the sound of music. I had

1245
01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:22,880
Speaker 1: one all blocked the driveway, no command, Um okay? So

1246
01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:25,320
Speaker 1: that did it? Did it? Sort of progress into more

1247
01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:29,800
Speaker 1: leading roles than junior year, also a sophomore year, so

1248
01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:32,640
Speaker 1: I was uh not seeing sound of music. Then I

1249
01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:38,280
Speaker 1: was doctor anagnosed in The Miracle Worker, I was Taunton

1250
01:09:38,439 --> 01:09:42,240
Speaker 1: Julian and Once on This Island my all white high

1251
01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:45,160
Speaker 1: school in Oregon, and of course I had to be

1252
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:47,800
Speaker 1: Once in This Island and there were only three people

1253
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:50,840
Speaker 1: of color in it me that the lady who played

1254
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:55,160
Speaker 1: the moon, the woman who played the soccer moon, was

1255
01:09:55,600 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 1: piscific islander. Yes, she was okay, um, and then um.

1256
01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:04,679
Speaker 1: And then I was not cast in the play, which

1257
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:08,080
Speaker 1: was a huge scandal. I was. I'm still very hurt.

1258
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:12,559
Speaker 1: What was the play? What played? It doesn't even matter

1259
01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:19,000
Speaker 1: who cares? And then we did. I also played like

1260
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:23,120
Speaker 1: the Officer and musical comedy Murders. That's a good one.

1261
01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:26,759
Speaker 1: And then I was the modern major general in Pirates

1262
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:32,040
Speaker 1: of Penzance. There we go. That's an impressive run. And

1263
01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:34,240
Speaker 1: then when I got to college, my acting teacher was like,

1264
01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:35,880
Speaker 1: you can't act the ship. You're never going to be

1265
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:38,240
Speaker 1: an actor. And so I switched car and they got

1266
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:40,760
Speaker 1: in your head and that's why you were doing stand

1267
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:42,839
Speaker 1: up saying I can't act, I can't do a sketch

1268
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:47,040
Speaker 1: and so but I blame it on that college. Fully

1269
01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:51,400
Speaker 1: fully took their words to heart. And who who else

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01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:53,960
Speaker 1: who has recently started on NBC heard that same advice

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01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:58,680
Speaker 1: from that same program, Mr bown Yang, I from from

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01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:01,080
Speaker 1: from my high school teacher's zeke tonight, did we have

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01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:04,559
Speaker 1: we been over this? No? No, this is a different

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01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:07,679
Speaker 1: So I went. I went to college with Darcy Carden.

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01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:10,720
Speaker 1: Oh that's right, Yes, she talked about this. Yeah, and

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01:11:11,080 --> 01:11:13,320
Speaker 1: I think she had a little bit better experience than

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01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:16,720
Speaker 1: I did, but we were both told by the program

1278
01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:22,240
Speaker 1: that so funny, right, And then the first season of

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01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:25,040
Speaker 1: her show, and it was the second season of Superstore,

1280
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:27,840
Speaker 1: we were she visited his set and we were like,

1281
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:30,599
Speaker 1: can you believe we are on back to back shows

1282
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:36,679
Speaker 1: on NBC and that college in Ashland, Oregon was kind

1283
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:40,520
Speaker 1: of like you guys, and not even that but critically

1284
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:47,280
Speaker 1: acclaimed like Critics Choice Award nominated both. It was crazy.

1285
01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:52,480
Speaker 1: It's crazy how life turns out. Okay, honestly, that's gorgeous.

1286
01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:55,320
Speaker 1: And now we turned to Zeke. Zeke, what was the

1287
01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:58,760
Speaker 1: culture that made you say culture was for you? So

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01:11:58,920 --> 01:12:06,400
Speaker 1: mine was the film The Three Ninja's. Oh wait, can

1289
01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:08,000
Speaker 1: you explain the plot? Because I think I know what

1290
01:12:08,040 --> 01:12:11,400
Speaker 1: you're talking about. Yes, So the plot is that there

1291
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:14,840
Speaker 1: are these three boys who have a Japanese grandfather, though

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01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:19,000
Speaker 1: they don't they don't so any indications that they had

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01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:21,799
Speaker 1: a Japanese grandfather, and they go and they learn karate

1294
01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:24,559
Speaker 1: with him in the woods and so they're like these young,

1295
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:27,559
Speaker 1: three young Ninja warriors and their father is an FBI

1296
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:32,400
Speaker 1: agent and he's chasing down an international arms smuggler who

1297
01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:36,439
Speaker 1: although he is selling like enough like bombs to start

1298
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:40,519
Speaker 1: World War three. Is protected by a group of like

1299
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:43,880
Speaker 1: guys in ninja suits who are clearly white and carry

1300
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:47,200
Speaker 1: swords but not guns and can be defeated by children,

1301
01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:51,360
Speaker 1: and so the like, uh, the the bad guy, you know,

1302
01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:54,320
Speaker 1: the arms dealer kids naps the kids, but the kids

1303
01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:58,640
Speaker 1: like fight back. Um, and yeah that's the When you

1304
01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:01,720
Speaker 1: said this, I was almost positive I knew what it was.

1305
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:04,600
Speaker 1: And I was taken back immediately to this moment. What

1306
01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:09,920
Speaker 1: I remember being so obsessed with that film. Yes, I

1307
01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:13,599
Speaker 1: um am particularly obsessed with the character Tom Tom, who

1308
01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:16,280
Speaker 1: is the youngest of the three brothers, and he likes

1309
01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:19,200
Speaker 1: to both eat and do martial arts, which were two

1310
01:13:19,240 --> 01:13:21,439
Speaker 1: of my favorite things as a youth. I actually went

1311
01:13:21,479 --> 01:13:24,800
Speaker 1: to the Taekwondo National Championships in Orlando, Florida when I

1312
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:28,160
Speaker 1: was about ten years old. Um, because this inspired me

1313
01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:33,960
Speaker 1: to uh do taekwondo? Um, the Three Ninjas did, yes,

1314
01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:36,680
Speaker 1: And because you know, as a transperson, I did not

1315
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:38,920
Speaker 1: like the name that I was given at birth. And

1316
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:41,040
Speaker 1: when I watched Three Ninjas, I was like three or four,

1317
01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:45,080
Speaker 1: and I so hardcore identified with Tom Tom that I

1318
01:13:45,160 --> 01:13:48,320
Speaker 1: insisted that people call me Tom Tom for a very

1319
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:50,960
Speaker 1: long time, like so long until people had to be

1320
01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:53,920
Speaker 1: like you, we can't call you Tom Tom anymore. Like this,

1321
01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:58,080
Speaker 1: honestly call me Tom Tom. Title of call me Tom Tom,

1322
01:13:58,240 --> 01:14:02,760
Speaker 1: call me Tommum that I I just remember it was

1323
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:04,439
Speaker 1: one of those movies I think I had it again

1324
01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:07,040
Speaker 1: when like I don't know, like the first high School

1325
01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:10,080
Speaker 1: Musical came out, but like I remember being like I

1326
01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:12,960
Speaker 1: love this and don't exactly know why, but I think

1327
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:17,960
Speaker 1: there is something about like like that like weird boys

1328
01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:20,960
Speaker 1: but can take on the world like that. There's something

1329
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:23,920
Speaker 1: about like that narrative which is just like so fun,

1330
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:26,639
Speaker 1: the fact that they were brothers. I just remember it

1331
01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:30,040
Speaker 1: felt like more than a movie. It felt like a

1332
01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:32,640
Speaker 1: manifesto is really what it felt like. It felt like

1333
01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:36,519
Speaker 1: a guide to life. But it's so it's so worth

1334
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:40,519
Speaker 1: going back and rewatching because there's like the dubbing and

1335
01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:44,599
Speaker 1: the shitty action and the plot holes. It's still great

1336
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:48,679
Speaker 1: and fun but also has the like it's good because

1337
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:51,519
Speaker 1: it's bad sort of fun. Have you looked for recently?

1338
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:53,519
Speaker 1: Do you know where people can watch it? I actually

1339
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:55,280
Speaker 1: just watched it part of it at least this past

1340
01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:59,000
Speaker 1: week because a friend had owned it on his iTunes account.

1341
01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:03,200
Speaker 1: How did you of this? He has it on iTunes? Okay,

1342
01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:06,240
Speaker 1: gregor you can buy it. I also owned it on

1343
01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:09,040
Speaker 1: DVD and would be happy to send it to you. Honestly,

1344
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:12,439
Speaker 1: let's do it because you'd be shocked. Like when we

1345
01:15:12,439 --> 01:15:14,559
Speaker 1: had Alaska thunder Funk on the show her, I don't

1346
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:17,760
Speaker 1: think so, honey, was I don't think so honey that

1347
01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:21,240
Speaker 1: you can't watch Spice World anywhere. Some of the best

1348
01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:23,960
Speaker 1: movies of all time, and I do include that you

1349
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:26,840
Speaker 1: can't watch Like Alaska said it best. If you want

1350
01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:30,920
Speaker 1: to watch Spice World, you can't watch it. It is nowhere.

1351
01:15:31,160 --> 01:15:34,760
Speaker 1: I I owned several DVDs that I bought, like used

1352
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:36,960
Speaker 1: on Amazon, of movies like that, because one of my

1353
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:40,040
Speaker 1: favorite movies before it sort of got like re entered

1354
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:43,639
Speaker 1: the zeitgeist was Dropped It Gorgeous. So I actually owned

1355
01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:47,000
Speaker 1: two DVD copies of Dropped Dead Gorgeous. Yeah, because God

1356
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:48,920
Speaker 1: forbid you lose one, at least you have another one

1357
01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:54,880
Speaker 1: because you can't watch it anywhere else. Well, now, always prepare, always,

1358
01:15:54,880 --> 01:16:01,519
Speaker 1: prep um always, but stretch each day. It's actually a

1359
01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:07,000
Speaker 1: local culture. Number one hundred prep each day. But that

1360
01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:09,960
Speaker 1: is so those like niche movies that are the best,

1361
01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:12,240
Speaker 1: like you know what, you could not watch anywhere until

1362
01:16:12,280 --> 01:16:21,240
Speaker 1: recently Glitter, hbo X, I see God Bless And I mean,

1363
01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:24,280
Speaker 1: I don't consider Brandy still Brandy Cinderella to be like

1364
01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:27,840
Speaker 1: on the platforms because it's just YouTube and it's got

1365
01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:31,840
Speaker 1: like the vhs sort of like Patina on it. You know,

1366
01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:35,559
Speaker 1: why isn't the Brandy Sounderella on Disney Plus. I don't know,

1367
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:38,120
Speaker 1: We don't know. We simply don't know. And I have

1368
01:16:38,240 --> 01:16:40,080
Speaker 1: to say, I I don't have this as my I

1369
01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:42,240
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. But it could be which is

1370
01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:44,639
Speaker 1: I like Disney Plus, but I don't think so honey.

1371
01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:48,280
Speaker 1: That Love Victor was moved so Disney Plus to Hulu

1372
01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:51,400
Speaker 1: because I watched all of Love Victor kind of because

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01:16:51,439 --> 01:16:53,080
Speaker 1: it's quarantine and I was like, I'll give this a

1374
01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:56,599
Speaker 1: shot and ended up really liking it. And but one

1375
01:16:56,600 --> 01:17:00,200
Speaker 1: thing I have that's a huge problem is like it's

1376
01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:04,800
Speaker 1: perfect for Disney Plus. It's it's just so it's it's

1377
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:09,280
Speaker 1: not like the kid is out fucking he's not doing drugs.

1378
01:17:09,360 --> 01:17:12,400
Speaker 1: That their whole problem was, it's not we're concerned about

1379
01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:15,280
Speaker 1: the family values of it all, and I'm like, I'm sorry,

1380
01:17:15,320 --> 01:17:18,320
Speaker 1: but correct me if I'm wrong. You can watch Avengers

1381
01:17:18,479 --> 01:17:22,400
Speaker 1: and Donalds gets his head fucking ripped off. Don't give me.

1382
01:17:22,760 --> 01:17:24,639
Speaker 1: We just watched Avatar on the other night and there's

1383
01:17:24,680 --> 01:17:27,800
Speaker 1: like full scenes of war in it, So don't give

1384
01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:30,240
Speaker 1: me this family values bullshit. Do you know what I

1385
01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:36,519
Speaker 1: appreciated about Love Victor Um Natasha Rothwell, yeah, and the

1386
01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:39,400
Speaker 1: movie and the Star of Love Simon. Yes, it was

1387
01:17:39,479 --> 01:17:42,760
Speaker 1: In Love Simon and In Love Victor because you know,

1388
01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:45,040
Speaker 1: in the movie, the style of the movie and and

1389
01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:47,400
Speaker 1: the acting in the movie is very different from the

1390
01:17:47,439 --> 01:17:50,960
Speaker 1: silent to acting of this TV show because it's it's

1391
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:56,280
Speaker 1: a Disney show, right, So Natasha like adapted her acting

1392
01:17:56,360 --> 01:17:58,880
Speaker 1: style and the way she was it's very different from

1393
01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:02,599
Speaker 1: her character like and then she becomes the principle spoiler,

1394
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:06,800
Speaker 1: she becomes the principles her the rhythm, over acting, the

1395
01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:10,920
Speaker 1: way she speaks on the show is very disney esque.

1396
01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:14,080
Speaker 1: And I love the fact that she tailored her performance

1397
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:18,240
Speaker 1: to a Disney format because you know, you have to

1398
01:18:18,240 --> 01:18:22,519
Speaker 1: adapt art, Yeah, and that's actually a real culture number fifty.

1399
01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:27,120
Speaker 1: You have to adapt. That's some mark of artist. And

1400
01:18:27,200 --> 01:18:30,320
Speaker 1: Natasha and this all goes back to I mean Natasha

1401
01:18:30,520 --> 01:18:34,200
Speaker 1: is in wonder woman is in love Simon in love

1402
01:18:34,280 --> 01:18:37,439
Speaker 1: mixture insecure, of course, I mean she is. She will

1403
01:18:37,479 --> 01:18:41,000
Speaker 1: bring Natasha to you wherever she shows up. She's an empire.

1404
01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:42,760
Speaker 1: We have to get her on the show. I just

1405
01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:45,479
Speaker 1: want to watch her and everything and every reason truly

1406
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:47,760
Speaker 1: great and has been truly great from the beginning. I

1407
01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:49,759
Speaker 1: mean we know from being like you ce b boys,

1408
01:18:49,800 --> 01:18:54,439
Speaker 1: but like a couple skate baby, couple skate I did

1409
01:18:54,479 --> 01:18:56,880
Speaker 1: it once? Did you ever do it? Seek? No, I

1410
01:18:56,960 --> 01:18:59,080
Speaker 1: have a I have beef with stanhod Apps so it

1411
01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:04,439
Speaker 1: never works Dan, So there are still some improv beefs

1412
01:19:04,439 --> 01:19:11,640
Speaker 1: that exist. Yes, But was he and fancy man? No?

1413
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:15,960
Speaker 1: Dan Hodo coached Judith for a while. But he was gay,

1414
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:18,040
Speaker 1: but he was not out and we did not know

1415
01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:20,880
Speaker 1: that we did. We just thought he was a straight

1416
01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:25,479
Speaker 1: guy and did you just ask? Okay this because he

1417
01:19:26,120 --> 01:19:29,680
Speaker 1: is he is. He is. But we used to like

1418
01:19:29,680 --> 01:19:31,000
Speaker 1: he used to come to dinner with us and then

1419
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:33,120
Speaker 1: we would go to gay bars and I would tease

1420
01:19:33,200 --> 01:19:35,000
Speaker 1: him about like being the only straight guy in the

1421
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:37,680
Speaker 1: gay bar, not knowing he was deeply closeted and was

1422
01:19:37,680 --> 01:19:39,679
Speaker 1: trying to put his foot out the door and then

1423
01:19:39,720 --> 01:19:46,120
Speaker 1: he he did not like me regardless. Wow, and that

1424
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:50,240
Speaker 1: from that blackless you do from couples, couple of couples. Wow. Wow,

1425
01:19:50,479 --> 01:19:52,920
Speaker 1: I can't believe. This is like the third episode episode

1426
01:19:52,920 --> 01:19:55,040
Speaker 1: in a row where I've been like Love Victor's good,

1427
01:19:55,120 --> 01:19:59,559
Speaker 1: But here I am. Do you liked it, Nico, I'd

1428
01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:03,160
Speaker 1: like to do certain parts? Yeah? Did you watch more

1429
01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:08,240
Speaker 1: than the first episode? So did I? Bowen Yang watched

1430
01:20:08,280 --> 01:20:12,840
Speaker 1: the last episode the episode and how good is the

1431
01:20:13,160 --> 01:20:16,439
Speaker 1: lead actress Rachel Hilson? So I thought it was great? Yeah?

1432
01:20:17,240 --> 01:20:21,880
Speaker 1: Are those are the guys in it? Queer Victor is not?

1433
01:20:22,360 --> 01:20:25,400
Speaker 1: Victor's gonna have gonna have to hold hold my breath

1434
01:20:25,439 --> 01:20:27,679
Speaker 1: on that one. But he did. He did talk to

1435
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:30,880
Speaker 1: his gay cousin when formula right, did you see it?

1436
01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:32,720
Speaker 1: I mean there there was, there's there's a there was

1437
01:20:32,760 --> 01:20:35,680
Speaker 1: a tweet that compared to headlines from Vulture where one

1438
01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:38,479
Speaker 1: was the guy from Love Victor talked to his cousin

1439
01:20:38,520 --> 01:20:40,439
Speaker 1: about his gay cousin about being gay, and then the

1440
01:20:40,479 --> 01:20:42,920
Speaker 1: other one when Love Simon came out, was guy from

1441
01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:45,639
Speaker 1: Love Simon talked to his gay uncle for about being

1442
01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:48,600
Speaker 1: it's like, come on, you guys, it's actually wonderful of

1443
01:20:48,680 --> 01:20:51,760
Speaker 1: these trade actors that have gay relatives to be represented

1444
01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:55,920
Speaker 1: on screen. We need more straight people with gay relatives

1445
01:20:55,960 --> 01:20:59,720
Speaker 1: that are distant on screen. As Jen Richards said, the

1446
01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:06,960
Speaker 1: word is more right actors with gay relatives quickly before

1447
01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:08,439
Speaker 1: we move on to anything. So I don't think so

1448
01:21:08,439 --> 01:21:09,720
Speaker 1: many I do want to bring this up. I want

1449
01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:12,960
Speaker 1: to talk to Nico about this because I am like,

1450
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:16,200
Speaker 1: I am constantly in an argument with myself in my head.

1451
01:21:16,240 --> 01:21:18,479
Speaker 1: It's not even an argument, but I'm just like, I

1452
01:21:18,560 --> 01:21:21,559
Speaker 1: hate this thing that Nico. I don't know if you've

1453
01:21:21,560 --> 01:21:24,760
Speaker 1: gotten this, but I am like the pincushion in a

1454
01:21:24,760 --> 01:21:26,600
Speaker 1: lot of ways for people who just like get in

1455
01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:29,400
Speaker 1: my d M s and say, oh, like, what you're

1456
01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:32,400
Speaker 1: doing is damn it. It's it's like men's rights activist

1457
01:21:32,479 --> 01:21:35,959
Speaker 1: Asian guys who are like, there's this conspiracy in Hollywood

1458
01:21:35,960 --> 01:21:39,240
Speaker 1: that it's only meant to uplift queer Asian men who

1459
01:21:39,240 --> 01:21:43,720
Speaker 1: are fem fem Asian men because it buys into like

1460
01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:47,479
Speaker 1: hegemonic patriarchal idea or like white supremacists, white supremacist ideals

1461
01:21:47,479 --> 01:21:52,000
Speaker 1: of like Asian men being these qualitative things in general,

1462
01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:53,720
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, but wait a minute. Oh, but

1463
01:21:53,800 --> 01:21:58,280
Speaker 1: the line is there's so many representations of effeminine Asian

1464
01:21:58,320 --> 01:22:01,719
Speaker 1: men on on in media, and I'm like, wait a minute.

1465
01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:03,679
Speaker 1: It took me a second to be like, that's actually

1466
01:22:03,680 --> 01:22:07,200
Speaker 1: not true. Like you can count on one hand the

1467
01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:12,360
Speaker 1: amount of like Asian man representation, rolls, moments, whatever that

1468
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:15,200
Speaker 1: are actually like outwardly queer, and it's like you're one

1469
01:22:15,200 --> 01:22:17,599
Speaker 1: of them. You go, and that's that's great, I'll count

1470
01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:19,960
Speaker 1: myself as one of them. But it's like George to

1471
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:22,680
Speaker 1: Ka maybe, but it's like, but it's not this k

1472
01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:27,200
Speaker 1: alec mopa, oh we love alia be deep. Well, but

1473
01:22:27,280 --> 01:22:30,360
Speaker 1: it's like, it's not this thing that would constitute like

1474
01:22:30,439 --> 01:22:34,880
Speaker 1: this conspiracy against Asian masculinity. And first of all, that

1475
01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:38,720
Speaker 1: is like couching its own fem phobia, in its own homophobia.

1476
01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:42,559
Speaker 1: Are you getting these messages from Asian men? Yeah? Well,

1477
01:22:42,640 --> 01:22:44,720
Speaker 1: the thing is like I feel like and you might

1478
01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:46,240
Speaker 1: relate to this, and you go, I feel like to

1479
01:22:46,360 --> 01:22:50,000
Speaker 1: be a fem Asian guy in entertainment is to get

1480
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:52,280
Speaker 1: it from sort of all sides, or from both sides

1481
01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:55,639
Speaker 1: at least, like you get some heat from Asian men

1482
01:22:55,680 --> 01:22:59,880
Speaker 1: who are like, hey, you're eroding like these these like

1483
01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:04,360
Speaker 1: masculine representations in media, and you're getting from like white

1484
01:23:04,360 --> 01:23:06,680
Speaker 1: people obviously. But it's like I'm I'm getting to this

1485
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:09,040
Speaker 1: point where I'm like, it's actually fucked up and it's

1486
01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:13,360
Speaker 1: a myth that it's it's just anecdotal. Right when someone says, oh,

1487
01:23:13,400 --> 01:23:16,080
Speaker 1: but like it's he's just playing a cliche sassy Asian guy.

1488
01:23:16,200 --> 01:23:18,920
Speaker 1: Like how like, but what like tell me what that

1489
01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:23,040
Speaker 1: cliche is? Pointny to the actual moment where you saw

1490
01:23:23,080 --> 01:23:26,639
Speaker 1: a sassy Asian gay man roll their eyes. Besides, like

1491
01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:29,679
Speaker 1: these people that I've named, I do get messages like that,

1492
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:33,640
Speaker 1: um or just like oh like Mateo and Superstar is

1493
01:23:33,720 --> 01:23:36,400
Speaker 1: like so stereotypical, and I'm just like, but but what's

1494
01:23:36,520 --> 01:23:38,679
Speaker 1: but Like but I'm like that's just who I am.

1495
01:23:38,720 --> 01:23:43,160
Speaker 1: Like that's the same. I'm just a fem leaning actually

1496
01:23:43,240 --> 01:23:46,080
Speaker 1: the thing about and I truly consider myself like there

1497
01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:50,120
Speaker 1: are days where I act more masculine and days where

1498
01:23:50,120 --> 01:23:53,120
Speaker 1: I'm a little more feminine. Um and I I just

1499
01:23:53,160 --> 01:23:55,960
Speaker 1: sort of like going between. But you know, I mean

1500
01:23:56,200 --> 01:23:59,040
Speaker 1: when I'm sort of like in a more excitable mode,

1501
01:23:59,200 --> 01:24:01,880
Speaker 1: I I do. I'm just more FAMI leaning, and I

1502
01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:04,040
Speaker 1: just hate it when when people are just like, you're

1503
01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:08,000
Speaker 1: just playing another stereotypical gay Asian character. At every exactly

1504
01:24:08,080 --> 01:24:12,000
Speaker 1: every portrayal of a of a Asian guy out there

1505
01:24:12,120 --> 01:24:15,000
Speaker 1: is like a gay Asian guy. Those are the only actors.

1506
01:24:15,479 --> 01:24:17,960
Speaker 1: But that's not even true. It's not it's not, that's

1507
01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:20,760
Speaker 1: not that's the anecdotal thing that slips in and like

1508
01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:23,920
Speaker 1: and like people assume that that's the right thing, and

1509
01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:26,639
Speaker 1: it's like, but wait a minute, no, like we haven't

1510
01:24:26,680 --> 01:24:29,200
Speaker 1: seen enough. Okay, let's say it is the stereotype, it's

1511
01:24:29,240 --> 01:24:33,599
Speaker 1: not being represented in media at least. But the question

1512
01:24:33,640 --> 01:24:35,599
Speaker 1: that I hate the most, and I also get asked

1513
01:24:35,640 --> 01:24:38,680
Speaker 1: a lot, it's like, are you tired or do you

1514
01:24:38,680 --> 01:24:42,759
Speaker 1: ever feel like you're being pigeonholed by only playing gay roles?

1515
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:46,280
Speaker 1: And I'm like, no, I actually have no interest in

1516
01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:52,360
Speaker 1: playing straight roles whatsoever. There you go, I don't want

1517
01:24:52,400 --> 01:24:54,400
Speaker 1: to play I just I I just want to play

1518
01:24:54,479 --> 01:24:58,639
Speaker 1: roles that there's representation matters. There's so few of us

1519
01:24:59,200 --> 01:25:02,160
Speaker 1: out there, and I only want to play roles that

1520
01:25:02,160 --> 01:25:04,320
Speaker 1: that look like me, that speak like me, that speak

1521
01:25:04,360 --> 01:25:06,960
Speaker 1: to my experience, like, I could care less if I

1522
01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:09,080
Speaker 1: don't wear when an oscar for playing the elephant man,

1523
01:25:09,120 --> 01:25:13,160
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Although you could, I mean

1524
01:25:14,240 --> 01:25:17,080
Speaker 1: sure I would see that production. I think is a

1525
01:25:17,200 --> 01:25:22,519
Speaker 1: two time Critics Choice nominee. You can go fund yourself

1526
01:25:22,600 --> 01:25:26,840
Speaker 1: college theater professor, I have. I do want to ask that,

1527
01:25:26,920 --> 01:25:31,680
Speaker 1: why do you think these people are saying that? Do

1528
01:25:31,680 --> 01:25:34,879
Speaker 1: you think it's anger that they don't see straight Asian

1529
01:25:34,920 --> 01:25:37,519
Speaker 1: men represented, or do you think it's homophobia? What do

1530
01:25:37,560 --> 01:25:39,880
Speaker 1: you where do you think it's coming from? My theories

1531
01:25:39,880 --> 01:25:45,360
Speaker 1: that it's pure homophobia, But it's like couched and knees um,

1532
01:25:45,439 --> 01:25:48,479
Speaker 1: it's it's Trojan Horst in this like thing of like, well,

1533
01:25:49,120 --> 01:25:53,080
Speaker 1: we just want a positive representation of Asian men, of

1534
01:25:53,240 --> 01:25:55,320
Speaker 1: Asian men who are not like neutered or whatever. And

1535
01:25:55,360 --> 01:25:58,479
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, fair, I hear that, But you have

1536
01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:02,040
Speaker 1: you have these representations that you are kind of ignoring

1537
01:26:02,080 --> 01:26:06,040
Speaker 1: and racing just to snipe at me, let's say, because

1538
01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:08,719
Speaker 1: it's like you're you're gonna like say that like John

1539
01:26:08,720 --> 01:26:13,160
Speaker 1: Show and Seemulu and Steve Young and like and like

1540
01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:15,759
Speaker 1: Ken John and like all these men like these straight

1541
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:21,599
Speaker 1: as angel who like all like embody some different aspect

1542
01:26:21,640 --> 01:26:25,200
Speaker 1: of Asian masculinity that does not fall into a value

1543
01:26:25,240 --> 01:26:29,720
Speaker 1: system of well, to be masculine is to be more

1544
01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:32,360
Speaker 1: powerful or better or whatever, because I'm like, meanwhile, like

1545
01:26:32,439 --> 01:26:34,840
Speaker 1: I'm over here like writing all most of my own

1546
01:26:34,840 --> 01:26:37,080
Speaker 1: ship and it's right and it's fun and it's like

1547
01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:39,320
Speaker 1: no one's forcing me to do this. I don't know,

1548
01:26:39,400 --> 01:26:41,760
Speaker 1: it's it's just it's that whole like, you know, they

1549
01:26:41,840 --> 01:26:43,880
Speaker 1: want us to believe that there's not room for all

1550
01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:46,719
Speaker 1: of us, that there's only room for like one type

1551
01:26:46,720 --> 01:26:51,760
Speaker 1: of representation, and that by us existing that we're taking

1552
01:26:51,800 --> 01:26:53,680
Speaker 1: up space and taking it away from them. I'm just like,

1553
01:26:54,320 --> 01:26:59,519
Speaker 1: we can all exist at the same time, yes, And

1554
01:26:59,560 --> 01:27:01,640
Speaker 1: that's at like I feel like like my friendship with

1555
01:27:01,720 --> 01:27:04,360
Speaker 1: Joel is like this and like and like my relationship

1556
01:27:04,360 --> 01:27:06,640
Speaker 1: with Unicho is is like it's never been like an

1557
01:27:06,680 --> 01:27:09,759
Speaker 1: adversarial thing where it's like, well, there's it's scarcity mindset

1558
01:27:09,760 --> 01:27:11,120
Speaker 1: and it's not like it's not like we're outbidding each

1559
01:27:11,160 --> 01:27:12,760
Speaker 1: other on a house. I'm sorry to bring that up,

1560
01:27:12,760 --> 01:27:19,920
Speaker 1: but it's like there's but it's like it's like there's

1561
01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:23,000
Speaker 1: that is that is like the thing that you have

1562
01:27:23,080 --> 01:27:26,360
Speaker 1: to recuse yourself from to be is to be like, well,

1563
01:27:26,360 --> 01:27:29,280
Speaker 1: we're all competing. It's like, well, no, like it's it's

1564
01:27:29,360 --> 01:27:32,400
Speaker 1: it's it's amazing when Joel gets something that like has

1565
01:27:32,439 --> 01:27:34,040
Speaker 1: nothing to do with me, or might have something to

1566
01:27:34,080 --> 01:27:36,760
Speaker 1: do with me. It really, I don't know. We're more

1567
01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:39,360
Speaker 1: evolved than we think we are on and that that

1568
01:27:39,360 --> 01:27:42,000
Speaker 1: that applies for everyone. That applies for us queer Asian

1569
01:27:42,360 --> 01:27:46,240
Speaker 1: people in media, and it applies to the Asian men

1570
01:27:46,479 --> 01:27:48,840
Speaker 1: who are like, oh woe is us. We don't have

1571
01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:52,559
Speaker 1: enough positive portrayals of Asian and entertainment and different from

1572
01:27:52,600 --> 01:27:55,400
Speaker 1: each other. That's the thing. It's just like that, like well,

1573
01:27:55,439 --> 01:27:58,920
Speaker 1: you know, like the thing is like you, me and Joel,

1574
01:27:59,000 --> 01:28:02,320
Speaker 1: we're probably in this will be in the same audition room,

1575
01:28:03,680 --> 01:28:07,240
Speaker 1: but it's like, you know, we're such different characters and

1576
01:28:07,360 --> 01:28:10,240
Speaker 1: actors from each other. It's like we could all be

1577
01:28:10,280 --> 01:28:12,080
Speaker 1: in the same project and we don't have to be

1578
01:28:12,120 --> 01:28:17,040
Speaker 1: like the token Asian and exactly in that project. Nico,

1579
01:28:17,120 --> 01:28:19,880
Speaker 1: You're a damn inspiration, secure, damn inspiration. I think it's

1580
01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:21,679
Speaker 1: time where I don't think, So, honey, what do you say, Matt,

1581
01:28:22,040 --> 01:28:25,479
Speaker 1: I would say, yeah, okay, So I don't think so honey.

1582
01:28:25,640 --> 01:28:27,920
Speaker 1: Is our one minute segment that we do, which is

1583
01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:30,240
Speaker 1: where we take sixty seconds to rail on something in

1584
01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:35,240
Speaker 1: culture that we hate. Sorry, we hate um and UM.

1585
01:28:35,360 --> 01:28:37,720
Speaker 1: I know that's a strong word. It's a four letter word.

1586
01:28:37,760 --> 01:28:40,240
Speaker 1: People don't like them, but that's the one I'm using.

1587
01:28:40,680 --> 01:28:43,000
Speaker 1: So I actually have two options today, and I'm gonna

1588
01:28:43,040 --> 01:28:45,200
Speaker 1: give you, guys the choice of which one I do.

1589
01:28:45,280 --> 01:28:47,080
Speaker 1: If you can believe this, this has never been done.

1590
01:28:47,439 --> 01:28:48,920
Speaker 1: Do you want to hear and I don't think so

1591
01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:51,680
Speaker 1: honey on kids going back to school? Or and I

1592
01:28:51,680 --> 01:28:55,160
Speaker 1: don't think so honey on Haraldo Rivera. Haraldo Rivera is

1593
01:28:55,160 --> 01:28:57,599
Speaker 1: gonna less of a downer. I think that's me. Oh yeah,

1594
01:28:57,800 --> 01:29:04,080
Speaker 1: I also think okay, so you would like to hear Heraldo? Okay,

1595
01:29:04,120 --> 01:29:05,800
Speaker 1: so this is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so honey.

1596
01:29:05,840 --> 01:29:09,280
Speaker 1: As time starts now, I don't think so honey, Haraldo Rovero,

1597
01:29:09,400 --> 01:29:13,120
Speaker 1: you clown, your Fox News clown, and you're a friend

1598
01:29:13,120 --> 01:29:15,360
Speaker 1: of Donald Trump's. But that's not why I'm coming for

1599
01:29:15,400 --> 01:29:18,240
Speaker 1: you today. And if that's fucking saying something because you're

1600
01:29:18,240 --> 01:29:20,840
Speaker 1: a joke, I'm coming for you today because you have

1601
01:29:21,000 --> 01:29:25,160
Speaker 1: sided with people who think that Gillne Maxwell should have

1602
01:29:25,200 --> 01:29:28,240
Speaker 1: been given bail. You can go funk yourself and I

1603
01:29:28,240 --> 01:29:31,439
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. You're a ridiculous caricature with a stupid,

1604
01:29:31,479 --> 01:29:35,240
Speaker 1: fucking mustache. But let me say something. Gilene Maxwell should

1605
01:29:35,240 --> 01:29:37,000
Speaker 1: be in prison for the rest of her life for

1606
01:29:37,080 --> 01:29:39,680
Speaker 1: what she was doing to these girls. But let me

1607
01:29:39,760 --> 01:29:43,879
Speaker 1: just elaborate on why else. You're a joke. You Okay,

1608
01:29:44,360 --> 01:29:46,680
Speaker 1: they had to kick you out of Iraq when you

1609
01:29:46,720 --> 01:29:50,120
Speaker 1: were reporting there because you gave away an operation. You

1610
01:29:50,240 --> 01:29:53,439
Speaker 1: drew it in the sand, you idiot. They had to

1611
01:29:54,680 --> 01:29:57,680
Speaker 1: During the War of Afghanistan, you claim that you were

1612
01:29:57,720 --> 01:29:59,960
Speaker 1: in the middle of a friendly fire and you actual

1613
01:30:00,040 --> 01:30:02,920
Speaker 1: we're three hundred miles away. You defended that hour by

1614
01:30:02,920 --> 01:30:05,640
Speaker 1: saying that news was a flirt quotea flirty business. You

1615
01:30:05,680 --> 01:30:07,640
Speaker 1: said that Trayvon Martin would not have been killed have

1616
01:30:07,760 --> 01:30:10,160
Speaker 1: you not been wearing a hoodie. And you literally wrote

1617
01:30:10,160 --> 01:30:12,719
Speaker 1: a book called Exposing Yourself. Also, never forget that Bette

1618
01:30:12,720 --> 01:30:15,240
Speaker 1: Mitler accused you of drugging her and groping her in

1619
01:30:15,280 --> 01:30:17,760
Speaker 1: the early seventies. You fucked shave your mustache. I don't

1620
01:30:17,760 --> 01:30:20,280
Speaker 1: think so, honey. And that's woman in eleven seconds and

1621
01:30:20,280 --> 01:30:24,639
Speaker 1: stop posting our nudes on Twitter. You don't look hot, freak.

1622
01:30:25,280 --> 01:30:29,400
Speaker 1: Haraldo Rivera was also a great contestant on The Celebrity

1623
01:30:29,400 --> 01:30:35,439
Speaker 1: Apprentice Second Place, You Love to Lisa Gibbons the Queen. Also,

1624
01:30:35,439 --> 01:30:37,080
Speaker 1: I will say this, if you go to if you

1625
01:30:37,120 --> 01:30:42,720
Speaker 1: go to that wacko Haraldo Rivera's Wikipedia page, it's mostly

1626
01:30:42,920 --> 01:30:46,040
Speaker 1: ship that he's done wrong. Yeah, you didn't even get

1627
01:30:46,080 --> 01:30:49,920
Speaker 1: to the whole al Capone's vault where he had the

1628
01:30:49,960 --> 01:30:52,679
Speaker 1: whole hour special being like, we're gonna open the vault,

1629
01:30:52,680 --> 01:30:54,640
Speaker 1: We're gonna open the vault, and then they opened the

1630
01:30:54,680 --> 01:30:59,040
Speaker 1: vault and there's absolutely nothing. Yes, nothing. It would have

1631
01:30:59,040 --> 01:31:02,599
Speaker 1: been a great area of acoustically singing because there was, honey,

1632
01:31:02,680 --> 01:31:04,400
Speaker 1: nothing it was. It might as love be calling my

1633
01:31:04,520 --> 01:31:08,160
Speaker 1: damn shower, because the acoustics in that room were amazing

1634
01:31:08,200 --> 01:31:11,360
Speaker 1: from there being nothing in it and so that therefore

1635
01:31:11,400 --> 01:31:15,000
Speaker 1: you could sing. Therefore you could sing beautiful. And I

1636
01:31:15,040 --> 01:31:18,240
Speaker 1: would say that al Capone's vault is like Haraldo Rivera's

1637
01:31:18,280 --> 01:31:21,679
Speaker 1: brain empty and its role culture one D and two

1638
01:31:23,280 --> 01:31:30,479
Speaker 1: A Capon's brain empty. Love him. I couldn't believe he

1639
01:31:31,320 --> 01:31:36,439
Speaker 1: would die on the Hill of Gallene. Maxwell should have bail, bitch,

1640
01:31:37,320 --> 01:31:40,080
Speaker 1: not the dumbest thing he said, to be honest. Yeah,

1641
01:31:40,080 --> 01:31:42,880
Speaker 1: but that's what sent me off today. Oh I see,

1642
01:31:42,920 --> 01:31:46,800
Speaker 1: I see. We were both set off by Glene related

1643
01:31:47,640 --> 01:31:50,479
Speaker 1: things today. Really, so you have a Gallene relation. No, no no,

1644
01:31:50,680 --> 01:31:53,040
Speaker 1: I'm saying my I didn't think somebody's not goinking about Glene.

1645
01:31:53,040 --> 01:31:55,320
Speaker 1: But my the thing I opened with the episode right

1646
01:31:55,360 --> 01:31:58,200
Speaker 1: about the Diane Warrnt of it all. Yeah, I mean yeah, Well, honestly,

1647
01:31:58,280 --> 01:32:00,680
Speaker 1: Glenn Maxwell, she deserves to be pushed off a red

1648
01:32:00,720 --> 01:32:03,240
Speaker 1: carpet by Mariah Carey for the rest of her life.

1649
01:32:03,560 --> 01:32:06,800
Speaker 1: I hope that's her punishment that she that she, for

1650
01:32:06,840 --> 01:32:08,519
Speaker 1: the rest of her life will be pushed off red

1651
01:32:08,520 --> 01:32:12,599
Speaker 1: carpets forcefully by Mariah Carey. Yes, yes, yes, that's that's anyway.

1652
01:32:13,360 --> 01:32:15,559
Speaker 1: So at this time we will move to Bow and Yang,

1653
01:32:15,680 --> 01:32:17,840
Speaker 1: who has and I don't think so any of his own.

1654
01:32:18,600 --> 01:32:21,200
Speaker 1: Um and are you ready Bowing? I'm ready, I'm ready. Well,

1655
01:32:21,200 --> 01:32:23,719
Speaker 1: then your time starts now. I don't think so, honey.

1656
01:32:23,760 --> 01:32:27,280
Speaker 1: Instagram features rollouts. Look, I want to be able to

1657
01:32:27,320 --> 01:32:31,200
Speaker 1: type in my stories with a Sarah font Honey, I

1658
01:32:31,280 --> 01:32:35,480
Speaker 1: want to wait a minute, did every anyone else's notifications

1659
01:32:35,520 --> 01:32:39,120
Speaker 1: thing moved to their profile page to the upper right corner,

1660
01:32:39,280 --> 01:32:42,920
Speaker 1: because that just they just sort of dropped that bomb

1661
01:32:42,920 --> 01:32:45,400
Speaker 1: on me yesterday, and I'm still questions during because I

1662
01:32:45,439 --> 01:32:47,719
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. Well, I'm just having to rewire

1663
01:32:47,760 --> 01:32:49,760
Speaker 1: my muscle memory, honey when I want to check my

1664
01:32:49,800 --> 01:32:53,000
Speaker 1: notifications and get that um you know, the terrible serotonin

1665
01:32:53,080 --> 01:32:56,200
Speaker 1: boost from notifications, And now I gotta extend my thumb

1666
01:32:56,280 --> 01:32:58,120
Speaker 1: all the way up to the upper right corner of

1667
01:32:58,120 --> 01:33:00,639
Speaker 1: my screen. Instagram features rollouts. I don't think so, honey.

1668
01:33:00,680 --> 01:33:04,599
Speaker 1: I want to be able to put a square photo

1669
01:33:04,640 --> 01:33:06,920
Speaker 1: without the rounded edges. I want to be able to

1670
01:33:06,960 --> 01:33:09,599
Speaker 1: do all the fun things on stories that I see

1671
01:33:09,640 --> 01:33:11,760
Speaker 1: all all the other people doing right now. And I

1672
01:33:11,800 --> 01:33:16,240
Speaker 1: can't why. It's blue check oppression, sweetie. I'm being oppressed

1673
01:33:16,439 --> 01:33:19,439
Speaker 1: for having okay, and that is the hell that I'm

1674
01:33:19,479 --> 01:33:26,879
Speaker 1: going to die on. Stop stigmatizing bow and you. Famously,

1675
01:33:27,320 --> 01:33:32,000
Speaker 1: he feels we should stop stigmatizing wealth and verifications. Bowen

1676
01:33:32,120 --> 01:33:34,680
Speaker 1: basically metaphorically that that I don't think, so, honey. Was

1677
01:33:34,720 --> 01:33:36,800
Speaker 1: this pool isn't big enough. I want them. I want

1678
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:38,880
Speaker 1: blue checks d stigmatized, but I also want to lose mine,

1679
01:33:38,920 --> 01:33:43,040
Speaker 1: which therefore implies that I, too, uh harbor some stigma

1680
01:33:43,040 --> 01:33:45,400
Speaker 1: towards Blue checks. Well, you've been a little edgy on

1681
01:33:45,400 --> 01:33:48,679
Speaker 1: Twitter and Instagram lately. I'm not afraid to say, Okay,

1682
01:33:48,680 --> 01:33:51,240
Speaker 1: and what do we mean? I mean that you be

1683
01:33:51,439 --> 01:33:54,800
Speaker 1: on Twitter? Yeah, and I'm deleting. I'm deleting a lot

1684
01:33:54,880 --> 01:33:57,000
Speaker 1: of stuff I'm doing. I'm you are so happy when

1685
01:33:57,040 --> 01:33:59,559
Speaker 1: you deleting. The first time I'm tweeting, and then deleting

1686
01:33:59,600 --> 01:34:01,240
Speaker 1: is when I'm saying I'm tweeting ship and I'm like,

1687
01:34:01,280 --> 01:34:03,240
Speaker 1: I don't want people to see this. This is stupid.

1688
01:34:05,800 --> 01:34:07,840
Speaker 1: I've done it. Wouldn't it be great to just do

1689
01:34:08,200 --> 01:34:11,559
Speaker 1: I really, I really just want to. It's a horrible place.

1690
01:34:11,880 --> 01:34:17,360
Speaker 1: It's terrible, so bad. Someday, someday I'll pull away for good. Anyway,

1691
01:34:17,439 --> 01:34:19,840
Speaker 1: but I feel I needed to like tell people about

1692
01:34:19,840 --> 01:34:21,519
Speaker 1: this episode, you know what I mean, because I want

1693
01:34:21,640 --> 01:34:23,800
Speaker 1: ever want to hear all this. I want to be

1694
01:34:23,840 --> 01:34:26,040
Speaker 1: able to say, you know, in this episode we talk

1695
01:34:26,080 --> 01:34:29,439
Speaker 1: about fun things and also etcetera. But like then I

1696
01:34:29,479 --> 01:34:32,000
Speaker 1: feel like I need Twitter and then but also it sucks,

1697
01:34:32,160 --> 01:34:37,040
Speaker 1: So it's a it's a conundrum, catwo or is that what? Yeah? Anyway,

1698
01:34:37,280 --> 01:34:40,599
Speaker 1: we now go. Let's go because quarantine has not been

1699
01:34:40,680 --> 01:34:44,840
Speaker 1: kind to my cerebral functions. Um, we're gonna go to Zeke.

1700
01:34:45,120 --> 01:34:48,200
Speaker 1: Zeke Smith is going to do is? I don't think so, honey.

1701
01:34:48,280 --> 01:34:51,160
Speaker 1: And if you can believe Zeke, if you're ready, your

1702
01:34:51,200 --> 01:34:55,040
Speaker 1: time will start now. I don't think so, honey. Well

1703
01:34:55,080 --> 01:34:58,760
Speaker 1: intentioned sist people writing scripts with trans protagonists who asked

1704
01:34:58,800 --> 01:35:01,559
Speaker 1: trans people to review their scripts then or but hurt

1705
01:35:01,760 --> 01:35:04,120
Speaker 1: when we tell them they did a bad job. I'm

1706
01:35:04,120 --> 01:35:06,920
Speaker 1: sorry that you want to get write a trendy script

1707
01:35:06,960 --> 01:35:09,439
Speaker 1: and win an award on our behalf. And I'm sorry

1708
01:35:09,479 --> 01:35:11,320
Speaker 1: if you're too gay, too scared to write your own

1709
01:35:11,320 --> 01:35:14,360
Speaker 1: goddamn coming of age slash coming out story and want

1710
01:35:14,360 --> 01:35:17,200
Speaker 1: to like remove yourself a step from your own story

1711
01:35:17,200 --> 01:35:20,920
Speaker 1: by people. I don't think so, honey. There's a Bechdel test,

1712
01:35:20,960 --> 01:35:23,400
Speaker 1: there's a Veto Russo test, and here is Zeke's trans states.

1713
01:35:23,680 --> 01:35:26,880
Speaker 1: Should you write a transcript script? Um? Yes or no?

1714
01:35:27,080 --> 01:35:30,760
Speaker 1: Are you a person? Uh? You? Does the person do

1715
01:35:30,800 --> 01:35:33,920
Speaker 1: anything other than be trans? If no, don't write a script.

1716
01:35:34,560 --> 01:35:36,839
Speaker 1: Do you intend for a trans person to look wistfully

1717
01:35:36,840 --> 01:35:41,560
Speaker 1: into a mirror imagining there as selves? Then say no, uh,

1718
01:35:41,680 --> 01:35:43,920
Speaker 1: do you have five trans people's numbers in your phone?

1719
01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:47,240
Speaker 1: If not, don't write it. Are you willing to hire

1720
01:35:47,240 --> 01:35:49,320
Speaker 1: me as a staff writer? No, don't write it. Are

1721
01:35:49,439 --> 01:35:53,160
Speaker 1: you a large, muscular a current slash former rugby player.

1722
01:35:53,280 --> 01:35:55,760
Speaker 1: If not, don't waste my time. If you are that

1723
01:35:55,840 --> 01:35:58,000
Speaker 1: rugby player, will you have sex with me and my boyfriend?

1724
01:35:58,000 --> 01:36:00,760
Speaker 1: If yes, okay, you can write your script. And that's

1725
01:36:00,800 --> 01:36:04,559
Speaker 1: one minute. Zeke, the Zeke test. I believe that that

1726
01:36:04,640 --> 01:36:07,679
Speaker 1: test is now in the cannon. It is that tes

1727
01:36:07,920 --> 01:36:13,479
Speaker 1: now canonical, excellent and for rugby players screenwriters who will

1728
01:36:13,479 --> 01:36:16,599
Speaker 1: not commodify a trans life in their screenplay, please have

1729
01:36:16,680 --> 01:36:19,800
Speaker 1: sex with Zeke and Nico. Please you can find the

1730
01:36:19,920 --> 01:36:24,000
Speaker 1: lea Twitter. Yes, there you go, reach out, reach out.

1731
01:36:25,840 --> 01:36:28,120
Speaker 1: That was perfect. The Zeke test is in is in

1732
01:36:28,160 --> 01:36:32,120
Speaker 1: the cannon? That isn't. Yes, let's move on. I just

1733
01:36:32,560 --> 01:36:34,800
Speaker 1: I just heard they put it in Webster's dictionary, even

1734
01:36:34,840 --> 01:36:42,240
Speaker 1: though it's two words words prepared like, I weed, well,

1735
01:36:42,280 --> 01:36:45,400
Speaker 1: you can't it. This is the first time I've had

1736
01:36:45,439 --> 01:36:48,160
Speaker 1: notes ever because I just wanted to get correct all

1737
01:36:48,240 --> 01:36:51,120
Speaker 1: of you don't stuff, and I'm like, I thought this

1738
01:36:51,160 --> 01:36:56,080
Speaker 1: was like a okay, Nico, you and I are the

1739
01:36:56,120 --> 01:37:03,160
Speaker 1: are the unprepared Asians and we're yes, that's finvolutionary, revolutionary. Um, Nico,

1740
01:37:03,280 --> 01:37:05,280
Speaker 1: I think I think this will be great. You're natural

1741
01:37:05,280 --> 01:37:08,760
Speaker 1: performer obviously, so this is Nico sante sis. I don't

1742
01:37:08,760 --> 01:37:12,360
Speaker 1: think so, honey. As time starts now, I don't think so, honey.

1743
01:37:12,400 --> 01:37:16,040
Speaker 1: That stupid video of the cakes that look like the

1744
01:37:16,160 --> 01:37:19,760
Speaker 1: real things and people cutting into them, What it's up

1745
01:37:19,760 --> 01:37:25,280
Speaker 1: with that? How dare you slander cakes in this manner?

1746
01:37:25,640 --> 01:37:29,840
Speaker 1: Cakes are supposed to look delicious. They're supposed to look edible,

1747
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:33,479
Speaker 1: first of all. They're supposed to look like joyous and

1748
01:37:33,520 --> 01:37:36,800
Speaker 1: you're they're supposed to to to sort of evoke a

1749
01:37:36,800 --> 01:37:39,839
Speaker 1: feeling of of of wanting to celebrate. They're not supposed

1750
01:37:40,280 --> 01:37:44,400
Speaker 1: like raw chicken breasts and a pair of crocs or

1751
01:37:44,600 --> 01:37:48,040
Speaker 1: toilet paper. What the fuck is wrong with you people?

1752
01:37:48,360 --> 01:37:50,960
Speaker 1: First of all, the focus of the cake should be

1753
01:37:51,000 --> 01:37:55,679
Speaker 1: making it delicious, not look like there are things using

1754
01:37:56,120 --> 01:38:01,799
Speaker 1: fondant as a crutch. Okayond is not delicious. Just focus

1755
01:38:02,120 --> 01:38:06,719
Speaker 1: on the damn cake. Make it moist, make it delicious,

1756
01:38:06,840 --> 01:38:10,639
Speaker 1: and make it look like a motherfucking cake. And that's

1757
01:38:10,720 --> 01:38:13,679
Speaker 1: one minute. You know what I think, Matt, stop using

1758
01:38:13,680 --> 01:38:16,719
Speaker 1: fund as a crutch. That's rule of culture number fifty four.

1759
01:38:17,240 --> 01:38:22,120
Speaker 1: Stop using crutch. How do you feel about the show?

1760
01:38:22,200 --> 01:38:24,599
Speaker 1: Nailed it? You must feel horrible about seeing all those

1761
01:38:24,600 --> 01:38:27,439
Speaker 1: cakes come out so damn bad. Oh no, but we love,

1762
01:38:28,400 --> 01:38:32,519
Speaker 1: we love I do love that show. But like you see,

1763
01:38:32,560 --> 01:38:35,320
Speaker 1: you see all these like bakers sort of like creating

1764
01:38:35,360 --> 01:38:38,519
Speaker 1: these elaborate cakes that look like, you know, like nothing else,

1765
01:38:38,560 --> 01:38:41,599
Speaker 1: And I'm just like, that doesn't look good. It doesn't

1766
01:38:41,600 --> 01:38:45,240
Speaker 1: look like it would taste good. I was not creative

1767
01:38:45,280 --> 01:38:48,640
Speaker 1: in the right way to be to taste good exactly.

1768
01:38:49,680 --> 01:38:51,720
Speaker 1: We're doing Keto right now, so cake has been on

1769
01:38:51,760 --> 01:38:54,320
Speaker 1: my mind. Oh I'm sorry, but you guys, you guys

1770
01:38:54,400 --> 01:38:57,200
Speaker 1: hang in there with Keto. Yeah, but Keto is one

1771
01:38:57,200 --> 01:39:01,559
Speaker 1: of the easy ones. Yeah, you can. You can still eat.

1772
01:39:02,360 --> 01:39:05,000
Speaker 1: You can dit cheese into hummus and eat that. But

1773
01:39:05,040 --> 01:39:09,360
Speaker 1: I want Rice Rice. Can we have a second. Can

1774
01:39:09,400 --> 01:39:13,440
Speaker 1: we just take a moment for rice? Rice? Rice transcends

1775
01:39:13,520 --> 01:39:16,800
Speaker 1: cultural boundaries. Right, There's there's a rice staple dish and

1776
01:39:16,880 --> 01:39:21,760
Speaker 1: every and every culture we love Rice love Rice. I

1777
01:39:21,800 --> 01:39:25,120
Speaker 1: want to say, um, I do want to say that

1778
01:39:25,200 --> 01:39:30,000
Speaker 1: this cake's discourse is overlapping into deep deep fake discourse

1779
01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:33,880
Speaker 1: a little bit. We're being deceived. It's subterfuge. We're you know,

1780
01:39:33,960 --> 01:39:38,479
Speaker 1: we're being manipulated by higher powers and and and evil

1781
01:39:38,520 --> 01:39:43,080
Speaker 1: forces to mistrust reality. And we got to be careful.

1782
01:39:43,479 --> 01:39:45,920
Speaker 1: What's the new show on Netflix? Where the which is

1783
01:39:45,960 --> 01:39:47,920
Speaker 1: the cake show? Because there's there's not just nailed that.

1784
01:39:47,920 --> 01:39:51,360
Speaker 1: There's also another show. I don't know, there's another show.

1785
01:39:51,360 --> 01:39:54,000
Speaker 1: It's like it's called like Delicious Cakes or something. It

1786
01:39:54,080 --> 01:39:56,200
Speaker 1: might be Delicious Cakes. Wait, have you guys seen The

1787
01:39:56,200 --> 01:39:58,920
Speaker 1: Old Guard? I saw that last year phenomenal. So you

1788
01:39:59,000 --> 01:40:04,720
Speaker 1: watched it without me? So I mean this is me

1789
01:40:04,760 --> 01:40:06,599
Speaker 1: finding out that bow and watched it without me as well. Well,

1790
01:40:06,640 --> 01:40:09,080
Speaker 1: I texted you the other night and I texted you

1791
01:40:09,080 --> 01:40:10,760
Speaker 1: there tonight, would you want to watch The Old Guard? Student?

1792
01:40:10,800 --> 01:40:17,559
Speaker 1: You did not respond, bitch. I'm making him watch Hustle tonight.

1793
01:40:18,000 --> 01:40:20,960
Speaker 1: Oh my god. One of the best started it, but

1794
01:40:20,960 --> 01:40:24,640
Speaker 1: then we got sleepy, so we one of It's a car.

1795
01:40:24,760 --> 01:40:27,840
Speaker 1: It's Looney Tunes. It's you've seen it before, right, Niko, Yes, yes,

1796
01:40:27,880 --> 01:40:31,000
Speaker 1: I love it. It's Looney Tunes. It's it's it's it's

1797
01:40:31,040 --> 01:40:33,599
Speaker 1: a perfect film. I love it so much. It's so great.

1798
01:40:34,800 --> 01:40:37,800
Speaker 1: Speaking of watching things, let me tell you what you

1799
01:40:37,840 --> 01:40:40,080
Speaker 1: should watch if you haven't already figured it out. A

1800
01:40:40,120 --> 01:40:42,120
Speaker 1: few things, let's talk about. The first thing you need

1801
01:40:42,160 --> 01:40:45,000
Speaker 1: to watch is Survivor. Namely, you better go back and

1802
01:40:45,000 --> 01:40:47,400
Speaker 1: watch I think the Millennials gen X is one of

1803
01:40:47,439 --> 01:40:51,560
Speaker 1: the best seasons of Survivor, and it features an unbelievable

1804
01:40:51,880 --> 01:40:54,439
Speaker 1: by Zeke, who was literally voted out because he was

1805
01:40:54,479 --> 01:40:58,000
Speaker 1: too good and it's not said enough. And Zeke iconic

1806
01:40:58,240 --> 01:41:02,680
Speaker 1: survivor castaway who wore glades and that is representation that

1807
01:41:03,000 --> 01:41:06,200
Speaker 1: that's difficult to do. Um Well, most of the time

1808
01:41:06,200 --> 01:41:09,599
Speaker 1: I wore my contacts, but then every now and again

1809
01:41:09,760 --> 01:41:12,720
Speaker 1: I would wear my glasses because especially the last time

1810
01:41:12,920 --> 01:41:15,080
Speaker 1: I scratched my corny at by trying to put contacts

1811
01:41:15,120 --> 01:41:17,120
Speaker 1: in my eyes with like sand, and then I had

1812
01:41:17,120 --> 01:41:20,400
Speaker 1: to wear my glasses. Oh my god, quickly like how

1813
01:41:20,439 --> 01:41:25,160
Speaker 1: hard a survivor? It's very hard, Yes, it is, it's

1814
01:41:25,360 --> 01:41:30,599
Speaker 1: very It's hardest thing you've ever done. Uh like like

1815
01:41:30,680 --> 01:41:32,360
Speaker 1: within that, you know what I mean, Like like in

1816
01:41:32,439 --> 01:41:35,760
Speaker 1: terms of like girl do that is as hard as

1817
01:41:35,800 --> 01:41:38,720
Speaker 1: Survivor is. But then like the like amount of time

1818
01:41:38,760 --> 01:41:42,000
Speaker 1: around the island. Yes, that's very hard, but then like

1819
01:41:42,200 --> 01:41:45,960
Speaker 1: you are tortured, you go through a traumatic experience, and

1820
01:41:46,080 --> 01:41:50,200
Speaker 1: it's not appreciated enough that how traumatized you are when

1821
01:41:50,200 --> 01:41:52,880
Speaker 1: you leave the island and how they don't care about

1822
01:41:52,920 --> 01:41:56,400
Speaker 1: your mental health afterwards unless like you were out it

1823
01:41:56,479 --> 01:41:59,120
Speaker 1: or something really really bad happened. Um and then they

1824
01:41:59,200 --> 01:42:01,400
Speaker 1: just like say, end you off into the wind, and

1825
01:42:01,439 --> 01:42:05,280
Speaker 1: people are fucked up for decades afterwards. We talked, we talked,

1826
01:42:05,560 --> 01:42:07,559
Speaker 1: We had party on and we talked to her about

1827
01:42:07,600 --> 01:42:09,960
Speaker 1: like just watching herself in the edit. It's it's just

1828
01:42:10,160 --> 01:42:15,599
Speaker 1: so insane associative. Um well, anyway, watched Survivor Millennials versus

1829
01:42:15,640 --> 01:42:18,679
Speaker 1: gen X, watched Survivor Game Changers, and we of course

1830
01:42:18,760 --> 01:42:22,880
Speaker 1: say watched Disclosure Translaves on screen on Netflix. And that's

1831
01:42:22,920 --> 01:42:25,160
Speaker 1: not the only things with the people person who you

1832
01:42:25,200 --> 01:42:28,360
Speaker 1: can watch. I mean, Superstore was just concluded, sort of

1833
01:42:28,400 --> 01:42:31,160
Speaker 1: concluded a tip season. We didn't get the finale. We

1834
01:42:31,320 --> 01:42:34,479
Speaker 1: didn't I mean like we were shut down with one

1835
01:42:34,560 --> 01:42:38,200
Speaker 1: week left to film. So they literally called us and

1836
01:42:38,360 --> 01:42:41,679
Speaker 1: like it's just happening, We're being shut down and Zeke

1837
01:42:41,720 --> 01:42:45,639
Speaker 1: and I were already um in uh in Burbank trying

1838
01:42:45,640 --> 01:42:50,320
Speaker 1: to go to the Costco uh superstore down so like

1839
01:42:50,479 --> 01:42:53,120
Speaker 1: so we we were like, babe, we gotta go to

1840
01:42:53,280 --> 01:42:56,240
Speaker 1: the lot so we can clean out my trailer. And

1841
01:42:56,600 --> 01:42:59,639
Speaker 1: we went to my trailer and I was like, oh, snap,

1842
01:43:00,000 --> 01:43:03,280
Speaker 1: as four rolls of toilet paper in my trailer. I

1843
01:43:03,439 --> 01:43:12,560
Speaker 1: dis packed it with me and then we walked around

1844
01:43:10,200 --> 01:43:14,519
Speaker 1: and that Hi went. That chant went a week ago

1845
01:43:16,920 --> 01:43:20,400
Speaker 1: for a Cloud nine And so that finale was supposed

1846
01:43:20,400 --> 01:43:24,880
Speaker 1: to be America's last episode, right, yes, So now she

1847
01:43:25,000 --> 01:43:28,719
Speaker 1: will be joining us for the first episode of season

1848
01:43:28,840 --> 01:43:34,080
Speaker 1: six and hopefully for the second episode as well. We're

1849
01:43:34,120 --> 01:43:36,840
Speaker 1: going to try and you know, give her the proper

1850
01:43:36,960 --> 01:43:43,559
Speaker 1: send off that television icon like America. Do you love her?

1851
01:43:44,479 --> 01:43:47,320
Speaker 1: She's amazing and she's the best, like everybody in that cast.

1852
01:43:47,400 --> 01:43:51,080
Speaker 1: Like I, you know, I I don't know what I

1853
01:43:51,120 --> 01:43:54,040
Speaker 1: did in a former life, but truly between Superstore and

1854
01:43:54,040 --> 01:43:59,519
Speaker 1: Crazy which Asians, like, those two families that I've gotten

1855
01:43:59,640 --> 01:44:03,360
Speaker 1: from those projects have been phenomenal and and I've changed

1856
01:44:03,439 --> 01:44:05,640
Speaker 1: my life. So I'm just really grateful for it. You

1857
01:44:05,720 --> 01:44:08,639
Speaker 1: just you deserve it more than really anybody, I mean

1858
01:44:08,680 --> 01:44:11,479
Speaker 1: God like, you deserve it. And wait a minute, if

1859
01:44:11,479 --> 01:44:13,799
Speaker 1: we're move on from Superstore. Ben Felman what a cutie.

1860
01:44:14,120 --> 01:44:19,160
Speaker 1: I mean he's like my bigger, my big brother, so

1861
01:44:19,560 --> 01:44:22,320
Speaker 1: I don't see him that way, but he is quite handsome. Okay,

1862
01:44:24,080 --> 01:44:28,280
Speaker 1: you can think of him. I love that. He's one

1863
01:44:28,280 --> 01:44:31,040
Speaker 1: of those. He can. He's one of those. Now you

1864
01:44:31,120 --> 01:44:33,519
Speaker 1: put it in my mind and I'm gonna think about it.

1865
01:44:34,560 --> 01:44:39,640
Speaker 1: Um okay. Anyway, um you guys, thank you so so

1866
01:44:39,720 --> 01:44:43,439
Speaker 1: much for coming and doing the show. I think this

1867
01:44:43,439 --> 01:44:47,400
Speaker 1: has been amazing. It's good. I know you too. We

1868
01:44:47,400 --> 01:44:51,080
Speaker 1: were looking forward to this truly for weeks and what

1869
01:44:51,120 --> 01:44:54,080
Speaker 1: a fantastic episode. We love you very much. We hope

1870
01:44:54,080 --> 01:44:56,800
Speaker 1: we see you soon. Yeah, that's you do if you're

1871
01:44:56,960 --> 01:44:58,720
Speaker 1: If you guys are down for it, totally do like

1872
01:44:58,760 --> 01:45:02,040
Speaker 1: a social distance hand. Okay we've been Yeah, we can

1873
01:45:02,080 --> 01:45:06,400
Speaker 1: do Springs week. Oh my god, I was. I was

1874
01:45:06,479 --> 01:45:10,840
Speaker 1: just there and it was so nice last week. Yeah.

1875
01:45:10,880 --> 01:45:12,240
Speaker 1: I think it was about there about three or four

1876
01:45:12,280 --> 01:45:13,960
Speaker 1: weeks ago. But it really was just nice to just

1877
01:45:14,120 --> 01:45:16,000
Speaker 1: did you get to go to a restaurant and everything?

1878
01:45:16,439 --> 01:45:19,000
Speaker 1: Now we just stayed in the pool. Yeah. Well that

1879
01:45:19,320 --> 01:45:22,559
Speaker 1: but also like the restaurants were like very much open there.

1880
01:45:22,560 --> 01:45:24,080
Speaker 1: I don't know what they're doing now with now that

1881
01:45:24,160 --> 01:45:26,040
Speaker 1: California is a ship show. But this was like four

1882
01:45:26,040 --> 01:45:28,760
Speaker 1: weeks ago when it was still like sort of acceptable,

1883
01:45:28,800 --> 01:45:31,320
Speaker 1: So we would sit very far away with everyone mass on.

1884
01:45:31,360 --> 01:45:32,920
Speaker 1: It was just nice to be in a restaurant again.

1885
01:45:32,960 --> 01:45:39,000
Speaker 1: You forgot anyway that fucking no, how do we started

1886
01:45:39,000 --> 01:45:42,280
Speaker 1: on death and are ending on quarantine? I love it,

1887
01:45:42,520 --> 01:45:44,920
Speaker 1: we love it, and but that's that's the grounding force. Um.

1888
01:45:45,000 --> 01:45:48,280
Speaker 1: We end every episode with a song, Matt, don't we

1889
01:45:48,280 --> 01:46:01,320
Speaker 1: we do? How do get to? If I would? You

1890
01:46:02,320 --> 01:46:09,639
Speaker 1: would kind of laugh with that, etcetera. If you want

1891
01:46:09,640 --> 01:46:12,800
Speaker 1: to hear that song, listen to the Leanne Rhymes version

1892
01:46:13,160 --> 01:46:17,200
Speaker 1: or the Tricia Yearwood version. Nominated for an oscar because

1893
01:46:17,240 --> 01:46:25,240
Speaker 1: it was in the movie Conair, which is really yes,