1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: I've been offered, you know, publishing for songs I didn't write, 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: and trying to take opportunities from other artistss like, I 3 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: don't want to do none of that, And I always 4 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:11,880 Speaker 1: make it clear, make sure you let them know I 5 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 1: don't believe in that practice. So it's not just a know, 6 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: it's a know. I'm please don't continue that, you know 7 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I prefer that you didn't involve me 8 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:25,440 Speaker 1: in anything that does that to people, because I feel 9 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: like there's so many hands in your pocket as an artist, 10 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: as a songwriter, it's just. 11 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 2: So hard to even just be stable, you know. Oh, 12 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 2: and it's not right. It's not okay okay, and that 13 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 2: ladies and gentlemen, it is money long. I appreciate her 14 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 2: honesty and more importantly, I appreciate how naked she is 15 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 2: on today's podcast, Sit back, Relax, prepare yourselves for a dose, 16 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 2: a healthy dose of honesty. 17 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 3: If it's the greatest suspersion entertainment, canneke you win carry 18 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 3: champion and Carrie Chappy is going to be a CHAMPIONA 19 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 3: champion and Carrie CHAPPI and they champion the Cary Chapion. 20 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 2: They carried She. 21 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 4: Entertainment get Naked. Word. 22 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:18,960 Speaker 2: Money Long has been a force in the music industry 23 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 2: for many years, writing hits for artists like Rihanna, Mariah Carey, Madonna, 24 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 2: Mariana Grande. She's also known as a buzzworthy artist herself. 25 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 2: She has hits like Hours and Hours time Machine, and 26 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 2: those have earned her three Grammy nominations and a win. 27 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:42,680 Speaker 2: A win for Hours and Hours. It's really hard for 28 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:45,559 Speaker 2: an artist to get nominated for a Grammy, let alone 29 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 2: win a Grammy, but she explains that it's not easy. 30 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 2: People have called her difficult to work with, but she 31 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 2: considers herself an advocate, an advocate for artists. That title 32 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 2: can be misconstrued by some, but most importantly, it's not 33 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 2: for her. She believes in the work that she is 34 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 2: doing and she believes in her music. Welcome to Naked everyone. 35 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 2: It's money Long, Champion and cried, chapion and cured chat. 36 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 2: Money Long, thank you so much for coming on Naked. 37 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:23,519 Speaker 2: My podcast is exactly what it means. It's like, I 38 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:26,519 Speaker 2: just ask people be as transparent as they can possibly be. 39 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 2: I do understand sometimes it's hard to do that, but 40 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 2: I appreciate you for just taking the time it Congratulations. 41 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 2: Thank you if you released the album single same. 42 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: It was supposed to be a whole form a pack, 43 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:41,959 Speaker 1: but oh, we couldn't get it ready in time, so 44 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 1: we just settled on one song and it's called Made 45 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: for Me. 46 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 2: People are really liking. 47 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 4: It so far. 48 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:51,959 Speaker 2: Well, let's go back to the beginning, because you have 49 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 2: a very interesting story. Probably not unlike others, but as 50 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 2: a woman in this industry, being a creative sometimes we 51 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 2: find ourselves was being taken advantage of and not always 52 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 2: necessarily getting our just due. From my understanding, please correct 53 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:09,359 Speaker 2: me if I'm wrong. You grew up in a musical household. 54 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 2: You you were someone that literally was able to take 55 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 2: your talent uploaded on social and it became a movement. 56 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 2: That's how you grew your base. 57 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 4: Tell me about that. 58 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: Definitely grew up in a musical household. My biological father 59 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: played trumpet, he was also a singer. 60 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 2: My mom sang. It was always me in the house. 61 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: We had a piano in every house that we, uh 62 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: we ever lived in, and music was just kind of 63 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: like I thought that it was like that and everybody's house, 64 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: you know. It was such a big part of just 65 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: our every day. And I think that's why it was 66 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: so like normal for me to pick it up as 67 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: a pastime, a favorite pastime. And as soon as I 68 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: got introduced to, you know, the freedom of the internet, 69 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: YouTube and you know, uploading my own videos, myself singing, 70 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 1: and you know that I had a period before my 71 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:17,720 Speaker 1: Space through I was uploading like you know, I had 72 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: like the long, skinny Logitech microphone and I was recording 73 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: songs on that and they sounded terrible, but some people 74 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: like them, you know, and transitioning to YouTube where it's 75 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: like you get to see my face and I'm literally 76 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,359 Speaker 1: making up these songs in my bedroom just for. 77 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 2: Fun, not thinking anything of it. 78 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: And I mean, who would have known, you know, fifteen 79 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:47,359 Speaker 1: years later that had being an influencer and going viral 80 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: and social media would be what it is today to 81 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 1: where I even you know, everything came full circle and 82 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 1: I had a really organic, huge. 83 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 2: Moment with I saw hours and hours last year. So 84 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 2: that's very cool. I just gave give you fifteen years 85 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 2: in sixty seconds. Well, Well that's beautiful because I love that, 86 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 2: and that just gives everybody the introduction of where I 87 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 2: was going next in the fifteen years firs. So you 88 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,359 Speaker 2: looked twelve years older in the fifteen years because everyone 89 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 2: starts so young, so you probably still are twelve years old. 90 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 2: But in the fifteen years that you've been in this industry, 91 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 2: you quickly became someone who has been You're an advocate. 92 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 2: You are an advocate for songwriters. You're an advocate for 93 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 2: those who sometimes are marginalized. Do you like that term 94 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 2: being called an advocate? Is that an appropriate term for 95 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 2: you and what you do? I mean, I guess you know, 96 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 2: if you look out of all the words that you 97 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 2: could use to describe me as a good one, but 98 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 2: I think I'm just trying to be the best human 99 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 2: that I can possibly be, and I always try to 100 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 2: treat people how I want to be treated. Nobody wants 101 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 2: to live in house that's fallen fart, you know, Like 102 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 2: I think with music and the way streaming has changed, 103 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 2: the revenue like still the same money, it's just not 104 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 2: going to. 105 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 1: The peoplehere shooting doors and uh, like the house is 106 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: burning and people are complaining about music being this ticket sales. 107 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: But you know, part of the problem is we're trading 108 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:28,679 Speaker 1: convenience for quality and so not necessarily like fighting for anything, 109 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 1: because I feel like anything that you fight for resists you. 110 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: I'm more so just like showing people there is a 111 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:41,359 Speaker 1: way to do it, that you can have massive success 112 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: and treat people right and do the right thing, you know, 113 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: especially even I'm just trying to be like a benchmark, 114 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: right for you know, an example for people to be like, 115 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: what's it called set a new president. That's what I'm 116 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: trying to do because I've been offered, you know, publishing 117 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 1: for songs I didn't write, and you know, trying to 118 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: take opportunities from other artistss like I don't want to 119 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: do none of that. And I always make it clear, 120 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: make sure you let them know I don't believe in 121 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 1: that practice. So it's not just a no, it's a know, 122 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: and please don't continue that, you know what I'm saying. 123 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: I prefer that you didn't involve me in anything that 124 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: does that to people, because I feel like there's so 125 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: many hands in your pocket as an artist, as a songwriter, 126 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: it's just. 127 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 2: So hard to even just be stable. 128 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: You know. 129 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 2: Oh, and it's not right, it's not okay. It's interesting 130 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 2: you said something. No, and please don't do It's not 131 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 2: just no, it's no, and and and that and that 132 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 2: to me is important in any aspect of your life. 133 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 2: But you said you're not. You don't try to fight anything, 134 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 2: because that means you're resisting. I believe, and I'm paraphrasing. 135 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 2: I love that. I love that thought process. When you 136 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 2: started writing for the likes of a real or Ariana Grande, 137 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:05,559 Speaker 2: I mean you have really amazing credits. You realize something 138 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 2: quickly in terms of being a songwriter. I believe you 139 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 2: said you had to be and I'm not referring to 140 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 2: them in general, but because of who you are and 141 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 2: you can sing and you and you can present in 142 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 2: front as well as right behind the scenes, people wanted 143 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 2: you to be a little more demure and they also 144 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 2: were trying to take money out of your pocket. Give 145 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 2: me an example. Talk about that experience for me. 146 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 1: I think you know, it just comes with the territory, right, 147 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: There's certain things that you just know, Okay, this is 148 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:40,839 Speaker 1: the way it is, the stack quote, right, And so 149 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: I learned one of the things I did learn very 150 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 1: early is that the energy that you bring with you 151 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: in the room is going to sort of season the music. 152 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: So if you've ever been in a recording seio or 153 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 1: if you've ever seen like you know and when they 154 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 1: have like on the news sometimes like the phone calls 155 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:02,439 Speaker 1: of the nine one one calls and you see the 156 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:05,599 Speaker 1: little frequency line going up and down. Right, That's what 157 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 1: it looks like in the studio. And it's a bit different, 158 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: but same concept. Where we sing on the mic, it writes, 159 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: you know, a frequency into the program. Well that that 160 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: frequency is happening all the time, whether you see it 161 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: or not. And just like you know, I always give 162 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 1: the example of when you tell someone I love you 163 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 1: so much, you feel that it feels a certain way, 164 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:31,719 Speaker 1: or when you say, oh my gosh, bitch, you know, 165 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: like you feel that and it makes you angry or 166 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: however you want to feel about it. And so it 167 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: matters the energy that actually bring it to the room. 168 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: If I ever had a moment where I did not 169 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:45,679 Speaker 1: want to do something, or didn't want to work with 170 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 1: an artist, or felt like I was, you know, going 171 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 1: to be in a horrible situation, you can't predict those things, 172 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 1: right because it's like you go in the studio and 173 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:57,839 Speaker 1: you make something incredible and here comes the vultures. But 174 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 1: for the most part, when you go in and you 175 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: enter into the space with the highest intention. I would 176 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 1: always sit in my car and say, like a little 177 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 1: prayer affirmation before I got out, thank you for an 178 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: amazing song, number one song. I thank you, you know 179 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: for channeling through me today. And you just open yourself 180 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:21,199 Speaker 1: up to possibility and that helped me from you know, 181 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: getting to it in my head because I'm a channeler. 182 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:27,319 Speaker 1: When I write, it's not like, really, you know, I'm 183 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: a genius. I'm coming up with the stuff myself. I'm 184 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: literally just like opening my mouth and I'm surprised a 185 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: lot of times at what comes out. And I don't 186 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:38,679 Speaker 1: take all the credit. I'm just a conduit. And so 187 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 1: you can't have any negative skewed energy frequency when you're 188 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 1: operating that way. I mean, it is the wild wilde, 189 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:53,439 Speaker 1: but it's all your man of business. It is what 190 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: it is. It's been like this for years and the 191 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: only thing you can do is just operate at the 192 00:10:58,480 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: at the highest level that. 193 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 2: You possibly can. 194 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:04,959 Speaker 1: Is not specific to any artists, any manager, or just 195 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: sometimes situations arise and they're not really the most able. 196 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 2: I hear you talk and I think to myself, is 197 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 2: there an industry in the world outside of music, outside 198 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 2: of anything that we're doing. Is there any industry in 199 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:23,439 Speaker 2: the world where you don't see someone trying to get 200 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 2: over or not operate in a way that's high vibration, 201 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 2: high frequency, or or where you have to decide if 202 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 2: I if I stay here, I have to really create boundaries. 203 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,079 Speaker 2: And boundaries are tough, they're hard, they're hard, they're heart 204 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:43,679 Speaker 2: professionally and they're heart personally. And then the cost of 205 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 2: creating boundaries and living by those boundaries could also reflect 206 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 2: negative negatively on how people want to work with you 207 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 2: or how they Yeah, they label you difficult. 208 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 1: Until you until you get enough points on the board 209 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:02,839 Speaker 1: to establish yourself as someone who is viable and who 210 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: consistently can create things that hold value, they're gonna look 211 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: at you and be like, who can are usually the abby? 212 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 2: You're not cleaning my toilets? 213 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: Like you know, it's definitely that, And especially being a 214 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 1: black woman, you can feel the energy in a room 215 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:21,199 Speaker 1: where people are just like, who told you to be 216 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 1: so confident? 217 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 2: Who told you to be out there so sure of yourself? 218 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 2: How dare you exactly? Like, you know, go get my coffee? 219 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:32,559 Speaker 2: And you just have to You have to understand it's 220 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 2: the human condition. It's not personal to you. It's not. 221 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: You know, people like to say, paying your dues. I 222 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 1: feel like that's a little bit deceptive every person in 223 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: the world, no matter who it is, no matter what 224 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:49,319 Speaker 1: it's for to be a nonprofit. It could be you know, 225 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:52,319 Speaker 1: supposed to be saving the children, it could be whatever 226 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: at the. 227 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 2: Core of you. 228 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: If you're not doing the work and you're not on 229 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: this planet with the understanding to express your highest version 230 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: of yourself, there's going to be you know, you know, 231 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 1: on a scale a bit too small, like there's little 232 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: boo boos and uh oh's that you shouldn't be doing, 233 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: and then there's a big, huge things that affects you know, 234 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: millions of people. And that's just the way humans are 235 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 1: till they learn there is a better way to do things. 236 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 2: I yeah, an human condition, which is why it's in 237 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 2: every industry and across the board. But there's an extra 238 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 2: layer of what I like to call texture. When you 239 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 2: are a black woman, if you think about from the 240 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 2: moment you started in this business to where you are now, 241 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 2: how would you describe it? Would you describe it? And 242 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 2: if we let's use references that people could explain. Let's 243 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 2: say when you first started, you were you were going 244 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 2: your appetizer and have you gotten to the point where 245 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 2: you're like, I got this entree and I got this dessert, 246 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 2: and when I walk in the world, I'm just making 247 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 2: up like an example of having a little to a lot. 248 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:01,079 Speaker 2: How do you describe your journey of being an artist 249 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:06,439 Speaker 2: from fifteen years ago to today. I would say my 250 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 2: journey of being an artist from then to now is 251 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 2: I just still fulfilled in like a home. But I've always, 252 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 2: you know, been a big head in the clouds Delulu, 253 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 2: where when I didn't have two pennies, I still would 254 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 2: save those up, you know, have the best experiences I 255 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 2: could have. I was telling a friend the other days, 256 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 2: like I didn't have the money to do this. But 257 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 2: in the beginning of my career, I flew to Paris 258 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 2: just to get some Christian moved On custom shoes because 259 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 2: I really wanted them. And by the end of the 260 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 2: trip it was only two days left. I ran out 261 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 2: of money. 262 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: I had to figure it out, you know, And I 263 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 1: never let my circumstance stop me from having a good time. 264 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: I don't know, you just have to make the best 265 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: right and I've always done that before I had any 266 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: sort of widespread recognition. So I feel, you know, with 267 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: with time and through my journey and all the experiences 268 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: that I've had, people that I've worked with, the ups 269 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: and downs. I just learned how to be comfortable and 270 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: vulnerable being myself in front of people. And that's the 271 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 1: hardest part, right is That's what authenticity is. It's just 272 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 1: like I own my mistakes. I own everything that I say. 273 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: Sometimes I might have like hair and makeup or an 274 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: outfit that is so great. I like, I don't feel 275 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: ashamed or embarrassed by any of my choices. I'm not 276 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: afraid to fail and look goofy or make a mistake. 277 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: And that is an amazing place to be, especially when 278 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: you're doing it on the ward stage. Yeah, and that's 279 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: the opposite of where most people live. I have the 280 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: same Moubaton story. 281 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 2: I saved up all my little pennies, went to Paris 282 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 2: and I bought them shoes and did have no more 283 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 2: money to eat food. I remember, like it was yesterday. 284 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 2: I was like, it's okay, it's fine, but I'm not 285 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 2: even comfortable out of the control. Gave me corns, but 286 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 2: I remember I just had that. 287 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 4: But I was gonna live. 288 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 2: You weren't gonna tell me. I couldn't live. I'm gonna 289 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 2: walk around Paris and enjoy the architecture with my sack. 290 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 2: I'm gonna eat off this one crossalp. Yeah for the 291 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 2: whole time here, everybody, you know what time it is. 292 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 2: We have to pay these bills so that the podcast 293 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 2: can continue. You can fast forward through the commercials, or 294 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 2: you can just listen. You may hear me, you may 295 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 2: hear somebody you know, you may learn something. I appreciate you. 296 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 2: We'll be right back and just a few moments. 297 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 3: Every champion and carry champions. To be a champion, a 298 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 3: champion and carry champion and carry chat. Be out a 299 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 3: champion and carry chappion and. 300 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 4: Carry chap entertainment can Naked Weird Kerry Champion. 301 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 3: Then carry champion is to be a champion of Champion 302 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 3: and carry champion Nigger Champion. 303 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 4: They care with Champion, they care with Chat. 304 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 2: Thank you all for your patience. Welcome back to Naked 305 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 2: and here's more with money Long your first two LPs, 306 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:14,879 Speaker 2: you were a writer for all these major artists, but 307 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 2: then you do your own work these two LPs. What's 308 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 2: the difference between writing for someone else and writing for 309 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 2: yourself and creating the work that you love. 310 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 1: Uh, the difference you're writing for myself writing someone else 311 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: technically isn't There's no difference because it always comes from, 312 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 1: as I said, channel right, writing for myself. Th though, 313 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: I know who I am, I know what I will 314 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 1: and won't say things that I don't want to project 315 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: ont in myself or anyone else. Writing love sotells are 316 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:45,879 Speaker 1: is so easy for me because that's just who I am. 317 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 1: I believe, I believe in fairy tales. I read a 318 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 1: lot of romance novels and things like that, and so 319 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 1: that's documentary to me. I just want to make people 320 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 1: feel good, like I know exactly what it is sound wise, 321 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:05,640 Speaker 1: And it's a lot easier to make music for myself 322 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:07,360 Speaker 1: because I don't have to go through all these filters 323 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:10,239 Speaker 1: right So, like when I'm in a service position, when 324 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 1: I was, because I don't write for others anymore, and 325 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: at least not right now, and I don't plan to 326 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 1: and the near a few drugs. Want to take some 327 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:21,159 Speaker 1: time to explore myself. But when I was in the 328 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 1: service position, it was like you have to kind of 329 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 1: dig a little bit, do extra work, find out like 330 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:31,119 Speaker 1: where are you at in your life? You know what 331 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: do you want to talk about where do you see 332 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: this music being played? Are you are you in the 333 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: club with it or are you trying to make stadium music? 334 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 1: Are you trying to make something that you can sing acoustically, 335 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: or do you rep on a showcase like your voice 336 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 1: or the lyrics. You have to figure out what the 337 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: artist wants to do. And I think that's probably the 338 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 1: best thing is that I don't have to go through 339 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 1: that anymore. I can just you know, wake up and 340 00:18:56,880 --> 00:19:00,080 Speaker 1: be like this, this is what I want to make you, 341 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: this is what I'm writing. Well for me, I would 342 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 1: think that would be a tremendous amount of pressures that 343 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:07,679 Speaker 1: would make my stomach curd especially if I and by 344 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 1: the way, which is why you do what you do, 345 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 1: Especially if you're writing for an artist that's already proven 346 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 1: and has a style, maybe that's even easier, perhaps that 347 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: they already have a style and the way they want 348 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 1: to go about it. But tell me about a difficult 349 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: time in the studio or what's arguably the most difficult 350 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: time for you as a creator, not necessarily dealing with 351 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: anyone else, but for you when you are in a 352 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 1: studio and you were singing and you wrote it and 353 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 1: it doesn't come out the way you want it to, 354 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: or it's not quite hitting exactly as you wanted to. 355 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 1: I'm assuming you've had those moments because artists are so 356 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: very material and protective and precise, So I would think 357 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: that you would want it to be perfect or the 358 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: vibe to be real and what you want, and then 359 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 1: you want that to come out the way that you 360 00:19:56,800 --> 00:20:00,200 Speaker 1: had a couple of moments that weren't very becoming. Was 361 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 1: like maybe when the producer like, I don't need a 362 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:07,399 Speaker 1: lot of coaching and hand help, you know, hand holding 363 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 1: when I'm working, I just kind of need you to, like, 364 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: you know, play me what you got. Let's get a 365 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 1: little cord reversion going, and then leave and come back 366 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 1: for the opens, you know. Yeah, and man write really fast. 367 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: And I think the only time when it was like 368 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 1: difficult or it felt like it was kind of like, 369 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 1: you know, start to stop, was when I was in 370 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:34,200 Speaker 1: the room with somebody who was just constantly like picking 371 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 1: apart the idea before it sort of presented itself as 372 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: it wanted to. Because I really think that, yeah, I 373 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 1: think like the songs tell us what they want to 374 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 1: be if you really pay attention and you sort of 375 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:51,160 Speaker 1: like form themselves. And so when you have somebody that's 376 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 1: like can you change that lyric or I don't like 377 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 1: the ability like bath fam let me let me do 378 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: meet please, you know what. 379 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,640 Speaker 2: Let me do it and come back with your critique. Yeah, 380 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 2: like I don't even know what I'm about to do, 381 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:07,199 Speaker 2: so yeah, like yeah, right right. You know, when you're 382 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:08,959 Speaker 2: dealing with someone like a producer, do you say, wait, 383 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:10,920 Speaker 2: give me a minute, let me just figure this out first, 384 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 2: do you say that tried. I'll try that. 385 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 1: But then if I feel too much resistance, whether it 386 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: comes from the artist, producer, or even another co writer, 387 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 1: let you know what, I'm gonna take a break. 388 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:27,639 Speaker 2: I'm gonna go get some yogurt. You know, if you 389 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 2: could take a walk. 390 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 1: It's kind of cold in here. We'll go throw out 391 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 1: and I let them have it, like maybe there's something 392 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 1: that y'all really need to get out. 393 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 2: When you need me, I'll be here. 394 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: There have been sessions where I just completely sit there 395 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 1: and do nothing, and I don't ask for anything either. 396 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 1: Like you know that's the thing too, where people just 397 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 1: because they're in the room they want a percentage. 398 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 2: I don't believe in that I don't do that. Say 399 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 2: that again, because they're the room. They want to what 400 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 2: they want a percentage of the song? Oh yeah, like 401 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 2: they want They're like, while I was in the room, 402 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 2: I help inspiration Like no, I'm wow, Wait, you don't 403 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 2: do that. 404 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 1: And it's because I'm a channeler, right that. I know 405 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 1: that that's not true. There's no way because I'm getting 406 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 1: these downloads directly. 407 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 2: Wait a second, So so if I'm a Carrie Carrie 408 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 2: chaerbyan is a you know, the reason I am asking 409 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 2: you these ABC questions is because I just don't get it. 410 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 2: Like I'm not in your world. I don't understand it. 411 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 2: So I'm good it either. 412 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 4: Yeah. 413 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 2: So wait you telling me I can I can quote 414 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 2: unquote say I'm a writer. I'm sitting in the room. 415 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:33,159 Speaker 2: I don't do anything, and I can percentage because if 416 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 2: you decide to go a totally different direction, I'm like, no, 417 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 2: I was a part of the inspiration. I was the vibe. 418 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 2: I want to get paid. People get paid that way. 419 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 2: Had that happened to me several times? 420 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 1: Literally where you know your publisher or your manager session 421 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: you come and we're supposed to write a song together. 422 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,119 Speaker 2: But I'm so fast right. 423 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: A lot of times I will have to intentionally purposely 424 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 1: include like what do you think about this? Because it's 425 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,400 Speaker 1: not It's almost like, you know, like when you're watching 426 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 1: tennis and it's just going back, but you're not playing 427 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: with somebody who is as fast as you, so you 428 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: gotta slow down, you know, and that's really annoying sometimes. 429 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, so she just said it was too slow. 430 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: No, seriously, like it's exactly like that, like listen, even 431 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: ready when I'm ready, like this is this isn't at 432 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 1: the highest level. 433 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 2: I can't slow down for you. 434 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 4: And so. 435 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 1: I've had moments where I'm going so fast and it's 436 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,879 Speaker 1: just coming. It's coming that Literally the co writer is 437 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 1: sitting there like. 438 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 2: How is she doing this? And they've you know how 439 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 2: many times have I heard that? It's just did you 440 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 2: write that? Right now? 441 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 1: I'm like yeah, you know, yeah, and then they submit 442 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:52,119 Speaker 1: to splits afterwards and it'll be like twenty five percent. 443 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 2: It's like, what, wait, you can you can't negotiate that, correct? 444 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 2: I mean in the beginning, now I can. 445 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: Now I'll just because I'm willing to walk away and 446 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 1: was like, oh, you know what, throw the whole song away. 447 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 2: I don't care. 448 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,919 Speaker 1: But in the beginning, I had to be strategic, right 449 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 1: because if it was like a Mariah Carey or Madonna, right, 450 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: I want that placement. I want that credit because it 451 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:23,880 Speaker 1: only it expands my brand, right and expands my network. 452 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 1: And so sometimes I've taken it on the chin just 453 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 1: so that I could get that credit because a lot 454 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 1: of those artists, a legacy artists, they don't play that 455 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: like if you if you don't get splits together, they 456 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: won't use the song because they don't want anybody coming 457 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 1: back later and try to claim anything and you know, 458 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 1: hold up money. So I had to you know, be 459 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:52,160 Speaker 1: flexible in the past in order to gain a certain 460 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 1: amount of uh status as a writer with the credits 461 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 1: that I earned. But now I don't do that, and 462 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: people be at publishing managers and artists like just to 463 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 1: sing the song. No judgment to people who do that, 464 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,439 Speaker 1: who allow that to happen, But that's not a boundary 465 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: that I can allow to be you know, moved. 466 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 2: In my case, I can't do it. I'm I'm even 467 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 2: more curious because I get what you're saying, Yes, Mariah, yeah, Madonna, 468 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 2: I'm not pushing back on that. I get the end goal. 469 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:26,160 Speaker 2: It's a part of the end goal to get you where. 470 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 2: This is a part of the journey to get you 471 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 2: where you want to be when you wow. So when 472 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 2: you have to sit in a situation that is uncomfortable 473 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 2: at this point of your career, you can walk away. 474 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 2: There There are few there exceptionals now walk away. 475 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: I just don't, like, I mean, even before I'm really 476 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 1: I have I have exercised the muscle of my intuition 477 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 1: and my inner voice right to where when an opportunity 478 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: is presented to me, immediately I check in with my 479 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: gut and if I you know, like you might see 480 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 1: me go and immediately if I feel any sort of 481 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,159 Speaker 1: dread or hesitation, I'll. 482 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,200 Speaker 2: Be like, I'm not sure about that one, let me 483 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 2: think about it. Or I'll be like, let's wait for 484 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 2: like a week or two. 485 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 1: And usually those things end up being like God is 486 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 1: the bullet, because there's things that you don't know, right 487 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 1: and who knows? 488 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,200 Speaker 2: God knows you know you are. 489 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,680 Speaker 1: A part of Him, and like just like your pinky 490 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: is a part of your body, you're a part of 491 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: the overall and you have access to the plans and 492 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 1: the thoughts of your collaborators, right, And so I believe 493 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:49,360 Speaker 1: that we're all connected. 494 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 2: And if you just take a tiny second to just 495 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 2: tap in and be like study that, is that a 496 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 2: good idea? Is that for my highest good? 497 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 1: You know? 498 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 2: Does that take me in the direction that I ultimately 499 00:26:59,600 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 2: want to go? 500 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,120 Speaker 1: And you'll get a nudge, you'll get like a I'll 501 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 1: do that, or you'll get like a little flutter. At 502 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,200 Speaker 1: least that's what I get. I get like a little 503 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,400 Speaker 1: like you know, and I have the ooh, that sounds fun. 504 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,640 Speaker 1: Most of the time those experiences are the best ones. 505 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: So I've learned to really trust that. 506 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 2: It's almost like the best way to start out. 507 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:20,439 Speaker 1: And I get this issample, like, have you ever been 508 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 1: running laid or waiting out the door and something tells 509 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 1: you grab a jacket, grab a jacket and you don't 510 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:31,399 Speaker 1: do it, and then you be cold? 511 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 2: You know, So just start there, Start with that small 512 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 2: simple thing. You know. 513 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm walking through my house and you're ready to leave, 514 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,880 Speaker 1: and I'll look at something and I'll have the urge 515 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 1: to just pick it up to take you with me, 516 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,120 Speaker 1: like a notebook or a pen or something, and I'll 517 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 1: end up needing it later on in the day or 518 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 1: I might need it the next day or something like that. 519 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,680 Speaker 1: So I've really taken the time to just listen to 520 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 1: that small, still voice and become super familiar with is 521 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 1: they're a songwriter, artist that you like in yourself too, 522 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: or that you admire that the way in which they've 523 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 1: been able to create their own and build in this industry, 524 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,680 Speaker 1: that that is. Someone say that's the north Star. 525 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 2: I like for me, it's Oprah Like Aunty Oaps is 526 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 2: my g I'm like, we can do we can do 527 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,640 Speaker 2: no love that o Auntie Oaps can do no wrong. 528 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,919 Speaker 2: So someone's talking about her, I'm like, I don't care slander, 529 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 2: I don't want to hear it. I love her. Is 530 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 2: there someone who is your Aunty Oaps? If you will? 531 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 2: I have a few. 532 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,680 Speaker 1: I was just watching some of those leaked clips of 533 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: the Kanye unreleased footage, and I'm just like, sometimes it 534 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 1: scares me because I hear him talking and a lot 535 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: of the things that he says I can relate to, 536 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 1: and I feel such a connection with him and just 537 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 1: how larger than life he is and how much impact 538 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: he has had his passion for music. Even when Genius 539 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: came out a few of my peers called me and 540 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 1: were like, Yo, why can that documentary? 541 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 2: All I could think about was you, you know, you 542 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 2: remind me so much. 543 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 1: And he's one of my favorite creators in the world, 544 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 1: like whether it's fashion, furniture, or mass Yes, by the way, yeah, 545 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: so I would say I would say Kanye don't as 546 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 1: far as like because he's dope. Well, I mean, you know, 547 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 1: likes he does say things sometimes that are very free 548 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 1: thinking and against what the general population may believe or 549 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 1: may be you know, ready to hear. And so you 550 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 1: know that fart is kind of just like hopefully he's okay, 551 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 1: but artistically absolutely fashion you know, just his vision. Absolutely Kanye, 552 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 1: he's okay. 553 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 2: So I say that all the time. I love Kanye 554 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 2: is as as narrated as some very significant portions of 555 00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 2: my life, like I he is, and I'm able to 556 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 2: separate the artists from the person. Sometimes from the arts 557 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 2: from the artists like some things, Yeah, I don't fool 558 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 2: with you with their but as an artist, no one 559 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 2: could deny our talent. And you're talking about that documentary. 560 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 2: What I mean, he's a genius, Like he really really is. 561 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 1: I think that's part Like you know, sometimes we don't agree, 562 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 1: you know, and it's not just limited to Kanye, right, 563 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 1: Sometimes I was just saying this. I'm not gonna say no, 564 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 1: but sometimes you fall in love with an artist and 565 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: you start hearing them talk and he's like, yeah, I 566 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 1: wish I wish you didn't talk like, you know, we 567 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 1: don't have the same views politically or you know, there 568 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 1: may be like certain misogynistic, patriarchical things that you believe 569 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 1: in that are just like why would you say that? 570 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 1: You know, But again, you know, everybody's here for their 571 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 1: own journey and everybody has freedom of expression. I really 572 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 1: try to just objectively observe and that keeps you a 573 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: lot of stress free, you. 574 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 2: Know, just kind of be like, oh that's how do 575 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 2: you feel about that? Okay, cool, you know, and just 576 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 2: have no opinion. You just like observe, right. 577 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 1: But yeah, artistically, man is there's definitely Kanye, I love 578 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 1: Michael Jackson. 579 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 2: Janet Jackson, Aliyah. These are people who just inspired me 580 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 2: to want to do music. 581 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 1: And you know, a yeah, I remember being glued to 582 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 1: the television watching their videos and their live shows. 583 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 2: So yeah, those people for me, Oh, those that's a 584 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 2: great list. That's a great list. I mean with that list, 585 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 2: let me ask you minus Alea, because we didn't really 586 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 2: get to know her. She was gone, I think, way 587 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 2: too soon and way too young, so we didn't get 588 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 2: to know her as I think a woman like a 589 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 2: full grown woman in a lot of ways. But when 590 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 2: you think of that list and now we watch those 591 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 2: artists grow up in front of us, literally all of them, 592 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 2: what do they have in common with you? 593 00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 1: I would say, just like the musical choices, fearlessness, willingness 594 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 1: to be themselves, you know, I think that's what draws 595 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 1: me to. 596 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 2: A Michael R. 597 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 1: Conner and a Chanton as far as like pushing boundaries 598 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 1: a lot of times, you know, because you may or 599 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 1: may not yet be established, you know, as I reference before, 600 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 1: people will look at you and be like, who do 601 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 1: you think you are? You know, who are you to 602 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 1: have that sort of confidence and be so sure that 603 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 1: you're going to do these things right? And it isn't 604 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 1: until after you do them that people's perspective if you 605 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 1: change it, and in the moment you may be unsure. 606 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 1: But then for me, I watch a documentary or I 607 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 1: see a little sixty second clip on TikTok or on Instagram, 608 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 1: and it is very much in alignment with how I think, 609 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 1: and you know, has se value these and principles that 610 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 1: I live by. And so it's just like constantly, you know, 611 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,240 Speaker 1: drift a little bit, but you're like, oh, I don't know, 612 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 1: maybe this isn't good, and then I see something it 613 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 1: was Nope, yeah, back on direct, You're good, you know. 614 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:12,080 Speaker 1: And so I think I like to do something called 615 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 1: frequency matching, which is like there are people who are 616 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 1: where I want to be or who I've gone where 617 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 1: I want to go, and I just go and watch 618 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 1: them and you know, align myself with that frequency. 619 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 2: So what I'll do with yourself? Let what would that 620 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:27,960 Speaker 2: feel like? 621 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 4: Man? 622 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 2: That must be amazing. You know, like when I go 623 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 2: to a concert, I don't just sit there and watch. 624 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,480 Speaker 2: I'm just like, wow, this is amazing. I love this 625 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 2: for me. This is for me, like you know, and. 626 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 1: Try to elevate my my thinking, my acceptance, and my 627 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 1: ability to receive moments like that. And so I think 628 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:53,040 Speaker 1: I'm purposely aligning myself with these people. Like maybe five 629 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 1: years ago I didn't have anything in common with them, 630 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 1: but now I do because I intentionally watch them and 631 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 1: see what they're doing and how they're speaking and who 632 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:05,480 Speaker 1: they're working with, what it takes to be its gigantic. 633 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 2: Hey y'all, it's that time again. We got to take 634 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:10,840 Speaker 2: a click break. This one's really quick, but you can 635 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 2: still fast forward through it. We'll be right back in 636 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:14,320 Speaker 2: just a few moments with Money. 637 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 4: Long, Every champion and carry champions. 638 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,280 Speaker 3: To be a champion, out a champion and carry Champion 639 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 3: and carry chap be out a Champion and carry chapion 640 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 3: and carry Champion entertainment and naked weird Erry Champion and 641 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,279 Speaker 3: carry Champion is to be a champion of Champion and 642 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 3: carry Champion the gut a champion and. 643 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:41,320 Speaker 4: Carry Champion and carry Champion Entertainment and nake. 644 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 2: You where y'all should do me a favorite. I also 645 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 2: post YouTube clips at Carrie Champion, so go hip with 646 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:52,080 Speaker 2: the YouTube click because Money Long's hair is bombed anyway, 647 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:56,399 Speaker 2: I digress. She's back with more gems. Hope y'all enjoy. 648 00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 2: I had two correct me if I'm wrong solo epiece 649 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,280 Speaker 2: before this latest single. Is that accurate? 650 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:06,480 Speaker 4: Man? 651 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,880 Speaker 2: I wonder if you could walk me through what you 652 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 2: put out before and what this latest single is now. 653 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,400 Speaker 2: Is there a difference in the messaging? Is there a 654 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,040 Speaker 2: difference in your voice. Is there a difference in the 655 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,239 Speaker 2: frequency your word? That means I want to make sure 656 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,719 Speaker 2: that I'm being accurate. Yes. 657 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,680 Speaker 1: So I was independent for two years before I partnered 658 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:34,320 Speaker 1: with Depth Cham and I actually put out three epis, 659 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 1: one which I still own fully, and that was sort 660 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 1: of like me finding my voice, figuring out how I 661 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:43,320 Speaker 1: wanted to present myself. 662 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:46,600 Speaker 2: What does money long look like? What does she feel like? 663 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 1: You know, like the words you use, texture and what 664 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:53,279 Speaker 1: is my what is the texture? What's my aesthetic? Just 665 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,920 Speaker 1: figuring out like how I wanted to present myself. And 666 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,279 Speaker 1: it was in the middle, like literally in. 667 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:00,560 Speaker 2: The middle of the pandemic. 668 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,760 Speaker 1: Everyone I wanted to work with was available, was slightly 669 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 1: more expensive because we had to have COVID you know, protocol. 670 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 1: And so at first EP I was discovering how I 671 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 1: want to sing, you know, do I want to have 672 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:18,960 Speaker 1: a soft voice, Do I want to build? Don't want 673 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,240 Speaker 1: to be sexy? Do I want to sound like a rapper? 674 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 1: And so I did a bit of all of that 675 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 1: on the first EP and then the second one was 676 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 1: a little bit more, you know, I branched out a 677 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,680 Speaker 1: little bit more with the sound choices and the topics 678 00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 1: that I talked about. I was a little bit more 679 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:40,800 Speaker 1: sliptungue with the stories and some of the things that 680 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 1: I was discussing. 681 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:47,080 Speaker 2: And then the third one I was, you know, I'm 682 00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:50,719 Speaker 2: a lover. I love love. I said that already, and so. 683 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 1: I think the comment thread through all of them, and 684 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 1: they're about like relationships and even loving yourself things like that. 685 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,399 Speaker 1: And so this third one was really about out love. 686 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,360 Speaker 1: And then I actually made three different versions of it. 687 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 1: So it was the first one which was like seven songs, 688 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:10,960 Speaker 1: and I did a second one which was like eight, 689 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,000 Speaker 1: and then I added five more and put all together, 690 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:18,080 Speaker 1: so it turned out to be eighteen songs. And I 691 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,960 Speaker 1: didn't know which one was gonna do anything. I mean, 692 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:25,280 Speaker 1: we had our guesses. I just shot videos for everything 693 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:29,920 Speaker 1: and go and behold hours and hours just exploded and 694 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,920 Speaker 1: then you know, I hope you can continue. Thank you, 695 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 1: And that's pretty huge and exploded. 696 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,400 Speaker 2: It is like an under cell of it that's huge. 697 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,320 Speaker 2: To be nominated and to win, it's huge, it's huge. 698 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 2: It's huge. 699 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, to be a black woman in the 700 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:51,400 Speaker 1: fourth quarter independent, you know, over the age that people 701 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:56,239 Speaker 1: would generally say should be mainstream right. So I'm thirty five, 702 00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 1: and I know people don't necessarily think you're viable any 703 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:03,800 Speaker 1: a certain age, which is it's so silky, right, But 704 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:09,240 Speaker 1: I did literally had every check every box that normally 705 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:13,680 Speaker 1: people would say, hell no, absolutely not, it's not gonna work. 706 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:18,200 Speaker 1: And not only did I have like this gigantic splash, 707 00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:22,560 Speaker 1: I denominated for three Grammys as an independent artist. 708 00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:24,600 Speaker 2: That's that's crazy. 709 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:26,920 Speaker 1: And one of them was Best New Artists, which is 710 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:31,520 Speaker 1: like such a coveted, you know category, So to be 711 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:33,880 Speaker 1: known as like, you know, you're you're one of the 712 00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:38,680 Speaker 1: best expressions this year out of all the music that 713 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:40,479 Speaker 1: comes out me. I think they said there's like thirty 714 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,480 Speaker 1: thousand new songs of a day. 715 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,759 Speaker 2: Something crazy. It give me chills, give me killed chill 716 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,600 Speaker 2: chills like my arms. I'm like, good for you. That's 717 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,719 Speaker 2: just put it in context and sell that. Don't underseller. 718 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,560 Speaker 2: That's a that's bold. Let me leave with that. Thirty 719 00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,840 Speaker 2: thousand artists today somewhere in the you troph something like 720 00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:02,919 Speaker 2: that or a week still, it's a lot. It's a lot. 721 00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,239 Speaker 2: Like to be able to narrow it down, you know 722 00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,279 Speaker 2: what I mean. It's it's like it's like watching TV 723 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:09,399 Speaker 2: there's so much content out there. How do you find 724 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,000 Speaker 2: what you're gonna watch? How do you find the good stuff? Brandon? 725 00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:12,560 Speaker 4: I think. 726 00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,920 Speaker 1: I pay attention to the people, like what they're saying, 727 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:22,200 Speaker 1: the feedback that that instant bio feedback is priceless. When 728 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:23,920 Speaker 1: you put something out and it's not good, they want 729 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,480 Speaker 1: to let you know. And I think, you know, being 730 00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,680 Speaker 1: a songwriter for so long, it doesn't hurt my feelings 731 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,720 Speaker 1: because the only bad that I believe, the only bad ideas. 732 00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:34,879 Speaker 1: And when you don't say out loud, you don't share, 733 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:39,000 Speaker 1: and so I take direction you very well. If somebody's like, 734 00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,920 Speaker 1: don't do that again, you know I may or may 735 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:46,040 Speaker 1: not do again. I just really believe that it's an 736 00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,040 Speaker 1: interactive experience, right because I'm not making the music just 737 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:49,720 Speaker 1: for myself. 738 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:50,719 Speaker 2: I want you to consume it. 739 00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:55,040 Speaker 1: So after I cannelate and record it and make it 740 00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,160 Speaker 1: all pretty and take my pictures and shoot my videos, 741 00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,840 Speaker 1: the rest is up to y'all. I love it, So 742 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,279 Speaker 1: talk to me as inclosing, because I went aroundabout way 743 00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,480 Speaker 1: to get a good feel of who you are, and 744 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,480 Speaker 1: I feel it. So I appreciate you for being so 745 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:09,600 Speaker 1: candid and so honest. 746 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,080 Speaker 2: It's hard. It's hard for people to do that in general. 747 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,520 Speaker 2: This latest single, what do you want the people to feel? 748 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,360 Speaker 2: What do you want them to take away from it? 749 00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:19,280 Speaker 2: What was your headspace from writing? 750 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:24,680 Speaker 1: I think I would love for people to hear my 751 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:30,399 Speaker 1: music and be inspired to just love, not be too cool. 752 00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,400 Speaker 1: You like somebody, call them you know you're not being thirsty, 753 00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,600 Speaker 1: and I simpen if you miss someone, tell them right. 754 00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:40,920 Speaker 2: I think we need. 755 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,120 Speaker 1: Love right now in this time, in this generation or 756 00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:48,000 Speaker 1: soft crazy foolishness happening and people arguing and like take 757 00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:49,640 Speaker 1: me out of the group jet police. I do not 758 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,200 Speaker 1: want to see you know, your screenshots of you talking 759 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,040 Speaker 1: crazy to your significant others just hurt. It really hurts 760 00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,759 Speaker 1: my heart, Like I don't like people get hurt, like 761 00:40:58,880 --> 00:40:59,919 Speaker 1: the fighting video. 762 00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:02,480 Speaker 2: Just I just don't like it, you know. 763 00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:06,560 Speaker 1: And so my offering is of love, and that's what 764 00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,800 Speaker 1: the song is about, and it could apply in any situation, 765 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:11,680 Speaker 1: even though a lot of people are saying like, oh 766 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:13,319 Speaker 1: my god, this is gonna be the next big wedding song, 767 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:15,800 Speaker 1: which I received that. Yes, I hope that out and 768 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,319 Speaker 1: think very much. And it could be about the love 769 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,080 Speaker 1: between you and your mother. If the love between you 770 00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:24,320 Speaker 1: and you know your pet, your your children, you know 771 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:25,560 Speaker 1: your best friend, your sister. 772 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:27,160 Speaker 2: It's just about. 773 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:31,440 Speaker 1: Feeling like you have a genuine, genuine connection with someone 774 00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:33,120 Speaker 1: like where have you been? 775 00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:33,960 Speaker 2: All my life? 776 00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:36,600 Speaker 1: And I'm sure everyone has had that at least one 777 00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,800 Speaker 1: time in their life with a friend, a brother, a colleague. 778 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,000 Speaker 1: I just want to spread love, man, that's my ultimate goal. 779 00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,759 Speaker 2: Dinging man, I want to spread love. Okay, I like it. 780 00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,279 Speaker 2: I received it. Money Long. You've been a pleasure and 781 00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,640 Speaker 2: I appreciate you for taking the time and being here, 782 00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,600 Speaker 2: being so patient. Thank you for having me really, I 783 00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:00,840 Speaker 2: mean you're really You're really honest and true like some 784 00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:05,359 Speaker 2: people are. No Naked so yeah, yeah, but you are 785 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,719 Speaker 2: a knower. There's doers and knowers, and you have both. 786 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:11,600 Speaker 2: So that's great. That's the way I turn it. Thank 787 00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,640 Speaker 2: you again, good luck with everything. I am sure that 788 00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:16,560 Speaker 2: I will talk to you down the road at a 789 00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:21,520 Speaker 2: different capacity. On all your success and continued success. I appreciate. Yeah, 790 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,319 Speaker 2: thank you so much much much, so much. The reason 791 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,399 Speaker 2: why we decided here on Team Naked. If you will 792 00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:31,399 Speaker 2: to re air this moneylong interview from October of last year, 793 00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,920 Speaker 2: a few reasons her album was just coming out. She 794 00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,799 Speaker 2: knew that she had some hits. But she also talked about, 795 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:42,160 Speaker 2: as you heard in this particular interview, that people thought 796 00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,360 Speaker 2: she was a diva. They thought she didn't want to 797 00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,680 Speaker 2: compromise enough, or she was a problem. And she was 798 00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,680 Speaker 2: very adamant about doing things her way because she's an artist, 799 00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:54,080 Speaker 2: an artist who knows her art. And I understand that, 800 00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:55,880 Speaker 2: and I'm sure you all can understand that when you 801 00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,640 Speaker 2: really believe in something and you have conviction, you won't compromise. 802 00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,279 Speaker 2: But I say all this to say is that what 803 00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:02,960 Speaker 2: is meant for you is meant for you. Your success 804 00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,279 Speaker 2: will come. I'm sure, as she mentioned, she did not 805 00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:10,400 Speaker 2: feel as appreciated or as celebrated, But here she is 806 00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,239 Speaker 2: some months later after we first talked to her, and 807 00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:17,480 Speaker 2: made for me literally top ten on the Billboard Charts, 808 00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:21,320 Speaker 2: R and B Digital sales number one. I mean, she 809 00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:25,520 Speaker 2: really has done the thing with this single performing on 810 00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:29,760 Speaker 2: Late Night show. She has promoted her single and herself 811 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,680 Speaker 2: in a way that I think is respectable. She didn't compromise, 812 00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,160 Speaker 2: She did what she wanted to do. And shout out 813 00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,800 Speaker 2: to the team naked our bookers, if you will, because 814 00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,160 Speaker 2: they were ahead of the game and got us that interview. 815 00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,920 Speaker 2: I was really really impressed with her, even more so 816 00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,840 Speaker 2: now because we're watching her success. As she predicted and 817 00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,840 Speaker 2: as she knew, she deserved to be celebrated, So lesson 818 00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:54,160 Speaker 2: for all of us. There's no deadline, no timeline on 819 00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:56,839 Speaker 2: being successful. When it's time for you to have your moment, 820 00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,400 Speaker 2: you will have your moment. I think of the Grammys 821 00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:03,120 Speaker 2: and Killer like a sweep Killer. Mike has been in 822 00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:06,920 Speaker 2: this game for so long. He won three straight Grammys 823 00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,839 Speaker 2: and I was so impressed because he said, You're never 824 00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,000 Speaker 2: too old, and I hope you're inspired. Money Long is young, 825 00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:16,960 Speaker 2: thirty years old, thirty plus years old, thirty five to 826 00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:21,719 Speaker 2: be exact. But she has been told by many maybe 827 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:25,600 Speaker 2: it's not her time, no, not right now, but yet 828 00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,200 Speaker 2: and still she persevered, and here we are celebrating her 829 00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:30,759 Speaker 2: in a huge way. If we haven't heard, made for me, 830 00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,240 Speaker 2: get from out under that rock you've been in, because 831 00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,880 Speaker 2: she is to be celebrated. Thank you all again for 832 00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,680 Speaker 2: listening to this revisit of Naked. I'll talk to you 833 00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:40,359 Speaker 2: guys next week.