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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Dad, starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria q K.

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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to City Vineyard. We will soon

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Speaker 1: start this evening's performance. We invite you to sit back, relax,

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Speaker 1: and indulge your senses.

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Speaker 2: Hi, hope you guys are ready for this.

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Speaker 3: There's no kids in here, all right. I think we're

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Speaker 3: just checking. All right, well we are Mother Knows Death.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for coming today. Warning, this slideshow

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Speaker 3: is going to have some sexual content, mentions of suicide,

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Speaker 3: graphic photos. Also a personal side note. We're not fighting,

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Speaker 3: We're just Italian. We're from New Jersey. We can't pronounce

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Speaker 3: anything correctly, and I have major pregnancy brain, so sorry.

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Speaker 2: In advance. All right, let's get started. We have some

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Speaker 2: important news to go over. There was a breaking story yesterday.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, So a man led police on an eighteen

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Speaker 3: mile chase after stealing an ambulance with a patient inside,

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Speaker 3: and when they finally caught up, discovered he was fully

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Speaker 3: nude driving the ambulance.

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Speaker 2: So so the patient inside was screaming at him as

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Speaker 2: she realized that she was being stolen and was just

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Speaker 2: like you, I don't know exactly what the word is

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Speaker 2: in the quote, but it was like, you expletive, I'm

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Speaker 2: dying from kidney disease, and she said she feared for

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Speaker 2: her life. Cops finally caught opto and brought him to

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Speaker 2: the hospital, and he said to the cop, I will

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Speaker 2: kick your balls and it's time for you to feel

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Speaker 2: my pain.

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Speaker 3: So it seems like first they were getting a call

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Speaker 3: about a naked man doing pushups and screaming profanities at people,

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Speaker 3: so that that wasn't weird enough, so before they could

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Speaker 3: get to him, that's when paramedics were loading this poor

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Speaker 3: woman into the ambulance. And then the guy, while they

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Speaker 3: were attending to the woman in the back, jumped in

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Speaker 3: the front seat started driving away. The paramedics tried to

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Speaker 3: stop it, and they just at some point had to

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Speaker 3: jump out for their own safety. So eventually they ended

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Speaker 3: up getting him after this eighteen mile chase. And then

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Speaker 3: he admitted to drinking half a bottle of fabuloso and

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Speaker 3: that's why he did it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so he he's got a little bit of a history.

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Speaker 2: So they did a breathalyzer on him and it was negative,

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Speaker 2: but he had he said, you know, I might have

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Speaker 2: some pots, don't remember, and he drank a bottle of Fabulousis.

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Speaker 2: So he has a history of a suspended license and

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Speaker 2: he even has an ignition lock on his car for

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Speaker 2: being a chronic alcoholic. So I guess he changed the

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Speaker 2: Fabulouso because he couldn't have access to the alcohol. Sometimes

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Speaker 2: alcoholics drink things that aren't alcohol to try to get drunk,

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Speaker 2: like I've seen most commonly like mouth wash or something

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Speaker 2: like that that most people wouldn't drink, but it has

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Speaker 2: alcohol in it. But Fabulouso actually doesn't have any alcohol

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Speaker 2: in it, but it will get you a little woozy.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that it would really kill you because

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Speaker 2: it's not caustic like like bleach cleaner or something like that.

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Speaker 2: But listen to some of the side effects that come

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Speaker 3: But believe it or not, this was not the first

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Speaker 2: This is a scene from Australia, right.

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Speaker 3: This is from Australia, So they're saying, in this case,

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Speaker 3: this naked man jumped on a moving ambulance while they

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Speaker 3: were en route to go help a patient, and he

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Speaker 3: started headbudding the windshield and eventually forced his way through,

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Speaker 3: all completely nude.

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Speaker 2: All Right, it's enough of these stories, all right. All

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Speaker 2: on to the next. All right, So this is an update.

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Speaker 2: If you guys are regular listeners. We've been talking about

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Speaker 2: this story for a couple of weeks involving a woman

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Speaker 2: who was found dead in the Dollar Tree freezer.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So we first reported on this back in December. So,

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Speaker 3: before and somehow got into this employee only area. At

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Speaker 3: the time, they were saying they didn't think it was

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Speaker 3: they're revealing her cause of death has been environmental hypothermia

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So what happens is it seems that she was

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Speaker 2: So they went home. But now now Dollar Tree is

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Speaker 2: getting sued for fifty million dollars because of this. I'm

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Speaker 2: assuming that she probably went in there thinking that it

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Speaker 2: which yeah, when wait, but like let's yeah, let's talk

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Speaker 2: about about where at the level? So so her blood alcohol

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Speaker 2: was zero point one one two percent, which it was

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Speaker 2: she was drunk, but she wasn't blackout drunk and wasted

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Speaker 2: going on. She that's like four to six drinks within

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Speaker 3: That's what I said to you when we did the

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Speaker 3: and even if she was tipsy or a little drunk,

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Speaker 3: might go up to it. But a freezer door is

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Speaker 3: a very heavy silver door, and then you have cold

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Speaker 3: coming out of it. So what at any point doesn't

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Speaker 3: strike you as odd? I just thought it was bizarre.

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Speaker 2: I mean, sometimes when you drink, you could become because

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Speaker 2: it causes vasodilation, so your blood vessels open up, and

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Speaker 2: just don't see that. This one's a doctor, by the way,

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Speaker 2: isn't she? Yeah she was, and a mother of two, Like,

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Speaker 2: why would she go in the freezer for any other reason?

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Speaker 2: It's just bizarre.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was telling you this story. So I used

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Speaker 2: I still think fifty million dollars to Sue's dollar tree.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of not their problem that she stumbled in there.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, it's just.

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Speaker 3: We gotta get Jared on to tell us how to

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Speaker 2: All right, So let's talk a little bit about a

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Speaker 2: death of hypothermia. So a freezer is zero degrees, so

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Speaker 2: Newton's law of cooling, when a person of an average

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Speaker 2: degrees So at zero degrees, that's going to happen pretty fast.

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Speaker 2: And so normally what happens when when we become very

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Speaker 2: Whenever I say anything's cool, it's not cool for people.

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Speaker 2: It's cool from a scientific perspective. So this is called

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Speaker 2: a paradigmil undressing. So again, in fifty percent of people

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Speaker 2: And the reason is is because what I was talking

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Speaker 2: It's right before they die. So we don't know this

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Speaker 3: So then, in a similar case, police had gotten this

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Speaker 3: her forty nine year old son were trapped in the

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Speaker 3: and they couldn't find them. There was twenty inches of

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Speaker 3: So what happened was this woman was Russian speaking, she

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Speaker 3: Anyway, I just like, before we go further, I'm just

436
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:36,400
Speaker 3: having a hard time understanding the mechanism behind it. I mean,

437
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 3: this is an incredibly long gun.

438
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 2: Well, we're all gonna I'm gonna show you because we

439
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 2: have some some nice volunteer re enacted this to show

440
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 2: us what this would look like. All right, So we're

441
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 2: gonna talk about the different things that were analyzed in

442
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 2: this forensic paper. So the first one we're gonna talk

443
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 2: about is the gun. So you could you could go

444
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 2: to the night if you want. Okay, Oh, you know what,

445
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 2: This is what I wanted to show you for the

446
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 2: strong history of the suicidal ideations. He has multiple photos

447
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 2: taken with a gun in his mouth, which is how

448
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:16,400
Speaker 2: he died from an inner oral gunshot wound. And this

449
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 2: is a picture of Courtney Love in the back of

450
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,159
Speaker 2: the ambulance when he was getting his stomach pumped in

451
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 2: Italy for overdosing on the roofies. So this is just

452
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,679
Speaker 2: like another thing to add to the list of a

453
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,439
Speaker 2: very strong candidate for suicide. All right, go to the

454
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,919
Speaker 2: next one for the gun, all right, So this is so.

455
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 2: The gun was a Remington Model eleven twenty gage shotgun.

456
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 2: And one of the one of the important things to

457
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 2: remember is that Kirk co Bain was left hand dominant,

458
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,239
Speaker 2: and this this gun was found on his body with

459
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,159
Speaker 2: the trigger side up and his left hand was on

460
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 2: the barrel. So normally, when you like I'm right handed,

461
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,920
Speaker 2: when I shoot a gun, like I use my right

462
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 2: finger for the tranger, I wouldn't use my left hand

463
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 2: to hold the firearm. But that's not to say that

464
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,639
Speaker 2: people don't do that. It's just it's just something to

465
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 2: keep note of.

466
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 3: I mean, one thing I realized they said in the

467
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 3: re analysis of it too, is that I mean, I'm

468
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,679
Speaker 3: looking at this thinking if he shot his head, it

469
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 3: would be really messy, and they were necessarily well, they

470
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 3: were saying this scene would be super This scene was

471
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 3: really clean. So I think that's what threw.

472
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 2: Them off too. Yeah, and we'll we'll talk about that

473
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 2: a little bit. We'll talk about that a little bit

474
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 2: more later, but we'll also we could talk about it

475
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 2: a little bit now. So they when they did so

476
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 2: nobody's actually seen the picture of the gunshot wound, but

477
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 2: we did see on the autopsy report how they described it,

478
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,159
Speaker 2: so we're able to say that he was holding the

479
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 2: weapon at a thirty five degree angle, which is why

480
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 2: this person, So this person volunteered to hold it's the

481
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,679
Speaker 2: same exact weapon that he had, except it's not the

482
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 2: act weapon because that's still evidence, so you don't want

483
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 2: to be sticking it in someone else's mouth and things

484
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 2: like that. And honestly, it's kind of brave for this

485
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 2: guy to even volunteer to do this, because this would

486
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 2: scare me to even course, I just wouldn't, I just

487
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 2: wouldn't trust it. But so he's holding it at the

488
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 2: same as act angle that that the the gun was

489
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 2: discharged on Kurk Cobaine thirty five degrees. So this is

490
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 2: how he would have had to hold it himself in

491
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 2: order to shoot himself in the mouth like this, which

492
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 2: if you're looking at it, it's very awkward, and I

493
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 2: think that these weapons are heavy. I mean, I like,

494
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 2: I don't know. I just think it's hard to like

495
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 2: hold it up like that and keep it stable. But

496
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 2: I know that people do it. It's just it's just

497
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 2: very awkward.

498
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 3: But there's other factors here though, with drugs and everything.

499
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 2: So well, yeah, and we'll talk about that in a

500
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 2: little bit. But so at the base of the wound,

501
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 2: there was around the wound where his teeth was, which

502
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 2: they were able to prove with testing on this weapon.

503
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 2: Just like a side note, this forensic paper is fifty

504
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 2: pages long. It's huge, and so I'm not going to

505
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 2: talk about every aspect of it. But they did test

506
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 2: on the gun to see where the compensator, which is

507
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 2: around the base of that's inside of his mouth. When

508
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 2: it is discharged, it is coming out. They wanted to

509
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:30,679
Speaker 2: see is it coming out of the top or is

510
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 2: it coming out of the bottom, because that when it

511
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 2: vents out, the soot would come out and leave a mark.

512
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 2: So they said, based on their testing that he was

513
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 2: not holding the weapon upside down. He was holding it

514
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 2: in a normal position that someone would hold it. And

515
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 2: they're able to determine that because of the actual gunshot wound,

516
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 2: and that was documented in the autopsy report. So the

517
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 2: first question is how did the gun turn upside down

518
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 2: when he was found dead. When you look at this

519
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 2: picture of sea, that's how they think, just based upon

520
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 2: what they saw in the wound inside of his mouth

521
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 2: with the soot at the top, this is the position

522
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 2: that he had to have had the gun in when

523
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 2: he fired it. Now, those red arrows show that what

524
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 2: happens when you have a contact wound against the roof

525
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 2: of the mouth like that, you get something called back spatter,

526
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 2: which is it would look like paint splattered as soon

527
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 2: as it was hitting the roof of the mouth right.

528
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 2: So on the actual weapon itself, you could see that

529
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 2: spatter that's on the weapon. But when you look at

530
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 2: his hand of the photograph that was taken, this is

531
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 2: his actual hand that a reporter took through the window,

532
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 2: there's no blood at all, and it's literally impossible that

533
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 2: there wouldn't be any blood. Th Another thing is that

534
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 2: he has this groove on his thumb right here, and

535
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 2: they were saying that that was blood, but the forensic

536
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 2: investigators believed that that was from his hand being in

537
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 2: wet blood That was transferred by somebody posing his hand

538
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 2: on the gun. And as Maria was saying earlier that

539
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 2: he was he had died on the fifth, but he

540
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:34,719
Speaker 2: wasn't found until the seventh, so he was starting to decompose. Okay,

541
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 2: So oh, another thing that I want to talk about

542
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 2: here too is so his hand, his left hand is

543
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 2: on the barrel of this weapon, and it's not supposed

544
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 2: to discharge the shotgun shell if it's if your hand

545
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 2: is there. And they found the shotgun shell right on

546
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 2: his right next to his body. So that was another

547
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 2: indicator that this that this is not this went down.

548
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 2: But you could see if a person was laying down

549
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 2: and there was a person standing on top of them

550
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 2: holding the gun in their mouth, that would give the

551
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 2: same appearance.

552
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 3: All right.

553
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 2: So that's that's at least with the gun. And there's

554
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 2: like there's a lot more with the gun too, but

555
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 2: for time purposes, we can't go over it, all right.

556
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 2: The suicide note has always been you okay, the suicide

557
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 2: notes always been questions because this isn't the actual suicide note.

558
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 2: He Courtney Love had put this through her fax machine,

559
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,719
Speaker 2: so it's a copy of the suicide note. But this

560
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 2: has been available for a long time. Many people say

561
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 2: that it's it's it's two different notes, it was written

562
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 2: at two different times. Some forensic experts say that it

563
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 2: was written by two separate people. Some won't really say

564
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 2: they can't tell. His mother was shown this note and

565
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 2: she believes he wrote the entire note. At the very

566
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 2: bottom you could see that he's signed Dick Kirk Cobain

567
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 2: and it's written to his daughter and his wife, Like,

568
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 2: why would you sign your first and last name. That's

569
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 2: kind of weird. So there's a lot of questions to it,

570
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 2: and a lot of people believe that the top half

571
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 2: of the note was written to break up with his

572
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 2: band or something like that, and the bottom half of

573
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 2: the note, with a different handwriting, is really the only

574
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 2: thing that's talking about him dying. So this has always

575
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 2: been a point of question. I mean, this has been

576
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 2: a conspiracy forever. I just think it's more interesting now

577
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 2: because they actually are trying to prove it wrong. All right, good.

578
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 2: So the next point in the paper was the heroin injection.

579
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 2: So his blood morphine level was three times above what

580
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 2: is considered to be the fatal dose of morphine. So

581
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 2: even if he did inject this himself. This little box

582
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 2: of his drugs was frowned across the room within the

583
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 2: lids back on the needles, so he would have had

584
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 2: to inject this right, put the lids back on now,

585
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 2: just like cleaning it up, you know and making it

586
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 2: nice and sid Yeah, exactly who's cleaning it up is

587
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 2: exactly right, And it's when you inject heroin interveniously. It

588
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 2: goes into your system within thirty seconds and you feel

589
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 2: a feeling of your euphoria for a minute and then

590
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 2: you're nodding out and passing out. So he had to

591
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 2: inject this. He injected this heroine, put the lid back,

592
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 2: walked across the room, laid down on the floor, set

593
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 2: up this gun, and shot himself in the head. It's

594
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 2: but he also had three times the lethal dose in

595
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 2: his system. We don't have the exact toxicology. We have

596
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 2: some of the toxicology report, but not all of it.

597
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 2: So again this is this is just based upon what

598
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 2: they have seen. Now, he he had this puncture mark

599
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 2: here on his arm, and this wasn't even noted in

600
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 2: the original autopsy, and when they zoomed in on it

601
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 2: with their with their high resolution of I don't know

602
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 2: what the word I'm looking for is to make a

603
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 2: picture look better sharp. No, it's not just sharp, and

604
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 2: they just use technology to yeah, like resolution whatever. They

605
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 2: zoom in on it and they notice that it has

606
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 2: this this like a stellate pattern, like a star like pattern,

607
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:35,839
Speaker 2: and it's it's not where you would where you would

608
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 2: inject intervenous drugs, right it looks like it's in the

609
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 2: muscle of his arm right there. So they believe that,

610
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 2: based upon this pattern, that he didn't use one of

611
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 2: these little non flanged insulin needles to inject this into

612
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,720
Speaker 2: a vein. They actually think that someone used a larger

613
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 2: needle and stabbed it into his arm. And they say

614
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 2: that by the bruising around the wound as well, like

615
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 2: it looks like it was pressed in. Furthermore, when you

616
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 2: look at this this heroin box, you could see that

617
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 2: this little ball of the heroin on the spoon is

618
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 2: about the same size as the other packages in the box.

619
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 2: It doesn't really look like it was used at all.

620
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 2: And on top of that, if he has three or

621
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,399
Speaker 2: four of these packages in the box, and like, why

622
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 2: wouldn't he have just done that to kill himself instead

623
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 2: of making it so messy and complicated with taking the

624
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 2: drugs and then shooting himself when he had plenty to

625
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 2: kill himself right there in that box. And then finally,

626
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 2: this is just one more thing that was pretty interesting.

627
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,760
Speaker 2: So when we're looking at this photo, you could see

628
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 2: that he's actually still wearing the hospital gown underneath of

629
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,760
Speaker 2: his clothes from the rehab center that he escaped from.

630
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 2: But you could see that it's bloody, and this is

631
00:35:56,160 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 2: pointing to his back and this and his well, why

632
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 2: is there blood there at all? It just doesn't make

633
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,760
Speaker 2: any sense. So they actually believed that he was killed

634
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 2: somewhere else and his body was moved. It was noted

635
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 2: in the autopsy, well not the autopsy report, but the

636
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 2: police report, that he had blood coming out of his

637
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,760
Speaker 2: nose and out of his ear. So if he did

638
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 2: this diagram with the letter B on, it is showing

639
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 2: how his head, if it was laying on the floor

640
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,839
Speaker 2: when he shot himself, the blood should have dripped down

641
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 2: this way and that should have been the blood pattern,

642
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 2: and instead they're showing how it could have gotten on

643
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,240
Speaker 2: the sides of his shirt if his body was moved.

644
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 2: So that's where they're coming up with that, and there's

645
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 2: there's a lot of other stuff too, but I just

646
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 2: thought that you guys would think that was interesting. So

647
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 2: now now I don't know, Like when when I first

648
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 2: wrote about this, I was kind of convinced that he

649
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 2: definitely killed himself. And there's some shady stuff with the

650
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,320
Speaker 2: medical examiner too. Do you have that information?

651
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, So the coroner, doctor Nicholas harts Horn, came out

652
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 3: that later that he was a friend of Courtney Love,

653
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 3: which is of course a conflict of interest when doing

654
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 3: this case. And then something came out this week that

655
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 3: they were having an affair. But the guy who said

656
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 3: it wrote a book that he was convinced Kurt Cobain

657
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 3: was murdered, so I thought that fit his narrative. He

658
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 3: also told Radar Online like not even a good tabloid.

659
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 3: So I just think it was kind of a waste.

660
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 3: I don't know, it was weird. And then didn't you

661
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 3: say he died in a really suspicious way?

662
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 2: So he was only thirty when he did the autopsy.

663
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 2: He wasn't even board certified yet and which which is normal.

664
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 2: But I don't know that they should have put the

665
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 2: new guy on this case. I think that's a little weird,

666
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 2: And yeah, he was. He worked for the he worked

667
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 2: for the venues that they used to play at and stuff. Right,

668
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 2: So that's a little bit of like a weird like

669
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 2: if he was a friend of the family, it's kind

670
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 2: of like a weird conflict of interest.

671
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 3: In a way if somebody came into the morgue that

672
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 3: you knew, you can't work on that case, right, or

673
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:14,399
Speaker 3: do you just choose mora?

674
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 2: No. I had that situation happen with one of my

675
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 2: friends actually, and I just said, I'm not I'm not

676
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 2: doing it, but I don't know that they would have

677
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 2: stopped me if I wanted to.

678
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 3: And I don't.

679
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 2: It wasn't But that wasn't like a medical legal one though,

680
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 2: Like I just think it's a little bit different when

681
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 2: you're talking about, you know, when it pertains to the

682
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,399
Speaker 2: law and everything like that. All right, some lighter fair

683
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 2: lighter fair eating ass Why it's bad.

684
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 3: What happens at Marti gras, dude.

685
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 2: What happens that Mary got strange? I didn't even put

686
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 2: this video up here because it's like porn y.

687
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 3: You were already probably pushing the limits here.

688
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 2: This guy just like went up to this stranger. I

689
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 2: don't even know if it's a male or female and

690
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 2: just like pulled the thong over and just started like

691
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 2: licking the ass and.

692
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 3: People were throwing stuff at them and just watching.

693
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 2: Really, this lady that's in the background, her face was

694
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 2: really the best the whole entire video because she was like,

695
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 2: what the fuck am I watching right now? Well?

696
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,439
Speaker 3: See next to them, see next to his shirt, there's

697
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 3: like a cardboard with white. I think somebody threw a

698
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:24,959
Speaker 3: sheet cake at them. I don't know what goes on there,

699
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,399
Speaker 3: but yeah, so so like.

700
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 2: I feel like I have to say this as a

701
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 2: public service announcement, Like you shouldn't just go up to

702
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 2: random people and lick their ass, like like you can

703
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 2: get really sick honestly, like like you don't know if

704
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 2: that person just took a shit, and like you're just

705
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 2: like you don't even know them, like at least be like.

706
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 3: Hey, can you like go use a white or take

707
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 3: a shower or something. But if yeah, like, but there

708
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 3: is a safe way to eat ass at a bullynous

709
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 3: dot com.

710
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 2: This came I didn't I saw this. I all this

711
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 2: if we saved this for you guys. This this came

712
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 2: out on Valentine's.

713
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 3: Day, so quite a deal. You could get chocolates for

714
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 3: thirty three dollars, or there's an option to cast your

715
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 3: own and get it in silver or bronze, but those

716
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 3: are a little price. You're arranging from six to seven

717
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,320
Speaker 3: hundred dollars, So bronze won is six hundred and forty

718
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 3: seven dollars, and it says, quote a work of art

719
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 3: to sit alongside all of the great twentieth century masters

720
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 3: can be passed down from generation to generation.

721
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 2: Do you know the.

722
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 3: Best part of this is that yesterday we're at your

723
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 3: kitchen table putting this slides together, and I said, I

724
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 3: feel like I saw them do this on a reality

725
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 3: show and I couldn't remember what it was, but I

726
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 3: was sure of it. Then I said, I think it's

727
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:44,959
Speaker 3: Girls next Door.

728
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 2: That was a good show. So I found the clip.

729
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 3: Remember Pop Pop used to watch that pop up Luke

730
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 3: QUALTERI used to watch Girls next Door. And then I

731
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 3: found the clip on TikTok and it was dated two

732
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 3: thousand and six. Only to realize, oh my god, I

733
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,800
Speaker 3: would certainly watching in this live and I was eleven

734
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 3: years old, but it was there.

735
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 2: Listen. I was just getting by guys like, don't still judge.

736
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 2: Don't judge. I don't think you need a judge. Like,

737
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 2: did anybody just.

738
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 3: Watch that Top Model documentary? Because I just made my

739
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 3: husband watch it with me, and I don't think you

740
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 3: knew anything about it. And I was like, you don't

741
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 3: even know, Like this was just totally acceptable in two

742
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 3: thousand and six.

743
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 2: So wait, so the Bronze we're not done with the

744
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 2: Bronze anas yet. It has on the website it has

745
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 2: six five star reviews, like a lot of people. I mean,

746
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 2: this was six hundred and forty seven dollars. Somebody bought

747
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 2: it and the cast your own anis said, quote, how

748
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:46,320
Speaker 2: can I cast my own anus in fine casting plaster

749
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 2: to keep it as a treasure forever? I was wondering

750
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 2: that too, so I bought it for you, babe. It's

751
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:55,760
Speaker 2: a synochronouns.

752
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 3: Tmi ew. I think it's said on the website too

753
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 3: that it started as like our exhibition and it was.

754
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 2: So popular they started selling them.

755
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 3: But they're sold out of the chocolates, so don't care.

756
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, wait, and you didn't say so. In the Girl's

757
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 2: Next story, they didn't cast their own anisy, they made

758
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 2: they cast their own vaginas.

759
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 3: So Holly cast her vagina, Bridget cast her breast, and

760
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 3: then Kendra did her butt and then painted a little

761
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 3: chocolate starfish on there. And they didn't say if they

762
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,240
Speaker 3: sanitized the molds in between them.

763
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 2: Touching their parts. Wondering that about the chocolates, these chocolates.

764
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 3: Remember we had that story.

765
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was like I just want to know, like

766
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 2: how do you do it? Like if I, like if

767
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 2: I ordered this kit at home, Let's say, how does

768
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 2: that look? Like how are you doing that? Like you

769
00:42:58,040 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 2: have to lay on the bed with your legs up

770
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 2: in the air and like have someone pour that gypsy

771
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,959
Speaker 2: and stuff? Like I think we're constantly teetering the line

772
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 2: of appropriate view inappropriate conversation between a mother and daughter. Okay,

773
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 2: I will then let's get onto the guy that was

774
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 2: born with three penises? All right, So this is a

775
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 2: really do you want to talk about this one?

776
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 3: So this was at University of Birmingham Medical School. So

777
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 3: they were doing this a section on this seventy nine

778
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 3: year old man and then just found he had three

779
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 3: penises and he most likely was not aware of it.

780
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is really cool. Again, I mean, listen,

781
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 2: this guy grew up to be an old guy and

782
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 2: donated his body to science, and this is how we're

783
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:42,959
Speaker 2: thanking him right now. So this is what we would

784
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 2: typically do in a gross anatomy lab. So this is

785
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 2: for PA students like myself medical students. We dissect the bodies.

786
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 2: And when we look at this picture right now, just

787
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:58,439
Speaker 2: for orientation, I wrote, good thing, I wrote this down.

788
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 2: Number four is the pubic symphasis. I just can't really

789
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 2: see the screen that well. So the pubic symphsis is

790
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,320
Speaker 2: the pelvic bone, and then number five is the testicles.

791
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 2: And I know you can't really see because this guy's

792
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 2: like cut up and stuff. Yeah, yeah, husband, look at this,

793
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 2: because this is what I do for a living. I

794
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 2: cut penises in half. Okay, so they cut So we

795
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 2: cut the penis in half just to look at the

796
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 2: anatomy when we're learning in school and things like that.

797
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 2: And they cut it in half, and to their shock,

798
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 2: they were like, oh, this guy's got two other internal penises.

799
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,839
Speaker 2: So the number one is the primary one, so that's

800
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 2: one that you would see. So this guy didn't even

801
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 2: know we had this. And then number two is the

802
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 2: secondary penis, and number three is the tertiary penis, so

803
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 2: go't look at that under the microscope and determine that

804
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 2: it's definitely penile tissue. So it's something called polyphilia, which

805
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 2: is just being born with more than one penis, and

806
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 2: it's very very rare. But now that they found this,

807
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 2: they're like, wow, maybe there's a lot of guys that

808
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 2: actually have it and we don't even know about it.

809
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 2: So it was pretty cool, Like for these medical students,

810
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 2: I'm sure.

811
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:11,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, they sit between sixteen oh six. In twenty twenty three,

812
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 3: there was only one hundred and sixty eight papers to

813
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 3: talk about the presence of more than one penis, and

814
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 3: only one throughout that time that talked about three. Notice

815
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 3: when she says things are really cool, it's like nerdy

816
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,280
Speaker 3: science stuff that's horrific to everybody else.

817
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 2: I don't think three penises is horrific. I think most

818
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 2: guys would want this and most women would be okay

819
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:32,919
Speaker 2: with it.

820
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,839
Speaker 3: But like, how do you really not know? He never

821
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:40,280
Speaker 3: had any promise or internal nobody never had any problem.

822
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 2: Now he probably had no problems. Actually, well, all right,

823
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 2: so let's talk about this next case, because this case

824
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 2: is this is an insane case.

825
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is in Brooklyn. So a thirty nine

826
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 3: year old woman was found dead in the trash room

827
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 3: of an apartment building, which they initially thought was a homicide,

828
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 3: and now they've determined it was a freak accident.

829
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 2: I'm still a little suss about this story, all right.

830
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 2: So this woman went out drinking at nine thirty at

831
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:19,320
Speaker 2: night on a Saturday. She's seen on a video entering

832
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 2: the complex alone at one thirty in the morning on Sunday.

833
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 3: No known connection to this building, by the way.

834
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 2: So she just goes in this building. Then people that

835
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 2: live in the building say that they heard screaming. The

836
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 2: next day, workers New York City Housing Authority found a

837
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 2: trash bag that was suspiciously heavy, opened it up and

838
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 2: found her body inside in pieces. So anytime a death

839
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 2: investigator gets this or this person goes to the medical

840
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 2: examiner's office, whenever you find body parts in a bag,

841
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 2: it's always, I mean always, almost always, I suppose associated

842
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 2: with a homicide. Usually it will be a homicide with

843
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 2: a dismemberment. So what they do is take all the

844
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,919
Speaker 2: body parts off out of the bag and just lay

845
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 2: them out on the table, kind of putting the puzzle

846
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:24,439
Speaker 2: piece pieces together. In a sick kind of sense and

847
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 2: trying to figure out what happened to this person. So

848
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,800
Speaker 2: when they were looking at all of her body parts

849
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 2: laid out, they saw multiple puncture wounds and slashes, deep

850
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 2: slashes to the right torso, right side of the head,

851
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 2: multiple puncture wounds of the upper thigh pulvis area, puncture

852
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 2: to the right thigh, multiple broken bones including the rib cage.

853
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 2: So one thing they also noted, so if you stab

854
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 2: some one to death and then you cut their body

855
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 2: pieces off, you could tell that they were that that

856
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 2: was done after they died, because they're no signs of bleeding,

857
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 2: that their heart was beating when that was done. In

858
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 2: this particular case, all of her body parts looked like

859
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 2: her heart was beating when all of this was done.

860
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 2: So if someone did do that to her, it would

861
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 2: and listen, there's been cases where people dismember people alive,

862
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 2: for sure, but in this particular case, it didn't have

863
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 2: that appearance because you could tell the difference between a

864
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 2: person having blunt trauma, which would be getting crushed versus

865
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 2: a person that was using a sharp weapon to cut

866
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:37,240
Speaker 2: off their body parts. So they determined that her manner

867
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 2: of death was accidental. She was compacted. She didn't have

868
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 2: any defense wounds, which would mean like like she would

869
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 2: have I guess she would have evidence of because she

870
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:55,320
Speaker 2: shouldn't have defense wounds if she was because it wouldn't

871
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:57,720
Speaker 2: look like she got stabbed to death. But I suppose

872
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 2: they mean like if she was getting ba with something.

873
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 2: I'm not sure what they were thinking, but they determined

874
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 2: her manner after the investigation to be accidental. So I

875
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 2: guess my question is the obvious question that you guys

876
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 2: probably all have, like how the hell did she get

877
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,439
Speaker 2: inside of a trash bag accidentally and then go into

878
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 2: a compactor like it's like a tied trash bag. It

879
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:25,320
Speaker 2: just doesn't even make any sense.

880
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. I just can't understand this, you know.

881
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:31,839
Speaker 2: I mean, we don't have like I'm not involved in

882
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 2: this case. I'm just reading a news report. It could

883
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 2: be semi reported wrong, like shocker, that would be, but

884
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,839
Speaker 2: it's just really, really bizarre. The cause of death would

885
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:45,359
Speaker 2: usually be because of a compression is phyxia, when your

886
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:49,240
Speaker 2: chest cavity gets crushed. That would be what would happen

887
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 2: in that particular case. And I did have a really

888
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 2: cool picture of a person because when that happens, you

889
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 2: get a lot of cynosis in the face, or your

890
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 2: face turns blue and your eye almost kind of pop

891
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 2: out a little bit. So that would be something that

892
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,879
Speaker 2: they would you know, obviously they would see. And they

893
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:11,240
Speaker 2: did mention that she had crushed ribs in that case,

894
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 2: so that is probably what her cause of death was

895
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 2: in that case. All right, So this is this is

896
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 2: Maria's favorite story. She was really looking forward to doing this.

897
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:31,319
Speaker 3: Ever, you guys don't even understand. So this lady once

898
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:35,399
Speaker 3: went viral for marrying this rag doll man. So over

899
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,800
Speaker 3: time she's continued to share tidbits of their life, including

900
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:45,320
Speaker 3: that they've had not one before children and even greater,

901
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 3: he was there for the delivery.

902
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 2: It's not a This is like one hundred percent really

903
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 2: happening right now.

904
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 3: The speculation it's performance art, but I really do not

905
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 3: think that is the case. There's some information out there

906
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 3: that her mother made her the husband ragged all to

907
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 3: combat loneliness, and then she just started taking it too far.

908
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:14,360
Speaker 3: I mean, they stage all these pictures and even worse,

909
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 3: he's a cheater, a serial serial cheater, and she has said, quote,

910
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 3: our relationship is hanging on by a thread. She said,

911
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 3: Marcello is a serial cheater. This isn't the first time

912
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 3: he's been unfaithful. I forgave him before the simple fact

913
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 3: that we have a family together. I couldn't break us

914
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 3: apart for the kid's sake. I don't know what is

915
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 3: going on here. And even more concerning, we showed this

916
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 3: to my thirteen year old sister and she didn't think.

917
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 2: There was a problem with it either. She just didn't

918
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 2: see why. We thought it was funny, like we're like,

919
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 2: what are you talking about? This person's out of their minds.

920
00:51:56,200 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 2: So she has a known condition called objective, which means

921
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:05,919
Speaker 2: that you have a romantic relationship with inanimate objects. If

922
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 2: everyone remembers the my strange addiction the guy the car chase.

923
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:14,720
Speaker 2: Remember the car's theme was chase. He was having sex

924
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 2: with his car. Wait, wasn't there an infidelity with the

925
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 2: car too? No, the car got an accident and then

926
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 2: couldn't be repaired. I're still not over it.

927
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 3: Why are the objects unfaithful? I don't understand.

928
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:29,839
Speaker 4: My question is like, if you're gonna create, I mean,

929
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 4: you don't have you don't have a husband, so you

930
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 4: could create whatever you want, and you're gonna make them

931
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 4: look like this, like but like she a cheater.

932
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 3: She makes comments like they look alike when you're drawing.

933
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 2: A face on no, and like like why would you

934
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 2: have four kids? Who would ever do that to themselves?

935
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:52,799
Speaker 2: Like where are they taking these pictures?

936
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 3: Is this in a real medical acquirement?

937
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 2: This is a problem. I don't know.

938
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 3: I don't know, but they've just well I would give that.

939
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 2: I would give that guy three penises for sure.

940
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 3: I So we've talked about this on our YouTube live

941
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 3: show before when I think they had their third baby,

942
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 3: I talked about it, and then when this picture came

943
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:15,800
Speaker 3: up yesterday.

944
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,720
Speaker 2: I always want to know too that this fourth baby

945
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:22,320
Speaker 2: was not planned, not planned, was an unplanned pregnant not planned,

946
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 2: not planned at all?

947
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 3: All Right, this pillar of society has been since to

948
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 3: three years in prison after tattooing three children and thinking

949
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 3: it was hilarious.

950
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, he told them that it was a temporary tattoo

951
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:41,919
Speaker 2: and then he actually tattooed them with a real tattoo gun.

952
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 2: And the kids are obviously traumatized. They the kids were

953
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 2: saying that it hurts. One of them said it was

954
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 2: on what was it at.

955
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 3: Seven out of ten pain level?

956
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:56,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, which I mean, tattoos are really bad, especially like

957
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 2: for a little kid. That's that's a painful thing for

958
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 2: a little kid to go through.

959
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 3: Did they everything feel his connection to these children, because

960
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:06,359
Speaker 3: I didn't see it anywhere, No, which is like, did

961
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,240
Speaker 3: he just pull three kids off the street.

962
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 2: But one of the kids said he hates the tattoo.

963
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 2: I'm just like joined the car.

964
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 3: It wasn't even good. It wasn't even good. And then

965
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 3: they had to go to the hospital and get treated

966
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 3: with antibiotics, and then they had to get blood tests

967
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 3: to see if they had any infections.

968
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 2: Like yeah, then that is that is really bad because

969
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:29,280
Speaker 2: you could get blood borne pathogens if you're sharing.

970
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 3: So well, this guy thought it was hilarious until he

971
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 3: got arrested and sentenced to prison.

972
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 2: He looks like a little like methy. He's got that

973
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 2: like look, well, he's something not right there, nearly something's.

974
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:42,839
Speaker 3: Not right with him.

975
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 2: If you just like I think it's funny to do

976
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 2: you think the parents like punched him in the face,

977
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 2: because because my husband would like if that happened to us,

978
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:59,760
Speaker 2: like he wouldn't even be standing upright. I'm sure Okay, oh,

979
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 2: this one's this one's for the husbands.

980
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 3: Sorry to New York people, and we.

981
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, like we we don't like New York people. We

982
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 2: don't really sorry, but we're just joking for baseball wise,

983
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 2: we're just saying so like, if you like the Yankees,

984
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 2: we could semi tolerate you. But but you know, we

985
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 2: we try to teach our kids to be good people,

986
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 2: but when we go to the Phillies game, we kind

987
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 2: of look the other way. When they go up to

988
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 2: Mets people and say, like your team sucks, it's pretty awesome.

989
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:37,280
Speaker 2: So all right, so this is our picture. Zach Wheeler

990
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 2: and Tom. I was texting with Tom. I swear to god,

991
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:43,319
Speaker 2: it was like a week before this because he's a

992
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 2: Yankees fan, even though he's one of my great friends,

993
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 2: we'll forgive him for that. But he was just like,

994
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 2: your picture is really good and all this stuff, and

995
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 2: then and then all of a sudden, it was just like, oh,

996
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 2: like I don't know, he can't play anymore. So he

997
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 2: had this emergency surgery done that we found out that

998
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 2: he had this blood clot in his arm. And whenever

999
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 2: anybody has a blood clot, my first question is like,

1000
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 2: why why would that happen? Because normal, healthy young people.

1001
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 2: This guy's thirty five years old don't get blood clots.

1002
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 2: So I automatically knew something really bad was wrong. And

1003
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 2: then when they said it was in his arm, then

1004
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 2: I was just like, oh God, this is really really

1005
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:30,360
Speaker 2: bad for him. So baseball players, especially any not just baseball,

1006
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 2: but basketball or anything that has a repetitive arm thing

1007
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 2: going on, they can get this particular injury. What happens

1008
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 2: is you have the blood vessels and the nerves that

1009
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 2: are going from your arm back to your heart, and

1010
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:50,439
Speaker 2: because that muscle gets work so much, it compresses them.

1011
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,360
Speaker 2: The blood could slow up and then it could start

1012
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 2: to clot and if one of those clots breaks off,

1013
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 2: it could travel to the lungs and it could have

1014
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 2: killed him. Like, this is so serious. So when I

1015
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:08,719
Speaker 2: heard he had this, and and you know, my husband says, oh,

1016
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 2: he's on the injured list in that, and I was like, no,

1017
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 2: he I said, he's going to have to get a

1018
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 2: major surgery. He's going to be out for a while.

1019
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 2: And the only way to fix this is to take

1020
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 2: out a portion of the first rib. So they have

1021
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 2: to do like a major, major surgery, and that just

1022
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 2: takes the you know, it takes the compression off of

1023
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 2: those vessels. So he was in the news this week

1024
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 2: because he said that he kept his rib yeah, which

1025
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 2: I thought was cool because I would too. It's mine,

1026
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 2: he said, I paid for the surgeon.

1027
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 3: Yeah. And by the way, the first thing she wanted

1028
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:48,440
Speaker 3: me to ask the midwife was could she could they

1029
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 3: could she keep my placenta from my baby?

1030
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 2: It's technically has my DNA in it too. I am

1031
00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 2: keeping it. I have my I don't know a lot. Like

1032
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 2: when I was fifteen, the last thing I was thinking

1033
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 2: about was keeping my kids plasenna. But with my two

1034
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 2: younger kids, I have them. They're on a shelf in

1035
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 2: my house.

1036
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 3: And let me tell you, when we were moving into

1037
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 3: the said house, the jar came loose on my lap

1038
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 3: in the car splashed.

1039
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 2: All over me. That was that really, really awesome. So

1040
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have my grandson plasenna now.

1041
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 3: Yeah. But Zach got the surgery and said that his

1042
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 3: surgeon gifted him a portion of his rib and it's

1043
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 3: currently sitting in his closet. And then just was like, haha,

1044
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 3: you have to do a bunch of stuff to it,

1045
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 3: so I guess it doesn't decay.

1046
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 2: So This is not his rib in this picture. This

1047
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 2: is a This is from a woman that was in

1048
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 2: my book actually for still in the back of the

1049
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 2: okay anyway, So she was a cheerleader and she did

1050
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 2: competitive cheerleading and she would hold she would hold people

1051
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 2: over top of her head. So it's like it's that

1052
00:58:56,040 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 2: repetitive injury that she had. This condition called thoracic outlets

1053
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 2: syndrum too, that Zach Wheeler had. So she sent me

1054
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 2: this picture of her rib that she got back from

1055
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 2: her surgery as well. So I thought that that was

1056
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 2: kind of cool.

1057
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 3: But my husband's back there and you could buy that

1058
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 3: book from him, and the little tiny beanie back there,

1059
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 3: and we will be signing books after the show. All right,

1060
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 3: We're gonna wrap up with what everybody in the world

1061
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 3: wants to talk about. It is probably over at the

1062
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 3: same time, Nancy, all right.

1063
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 2: So so yeah, like it is, it is a lot

1064
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 2: to talk about. And I was praying that nothing happened

1065
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 2: before this show, because I know Lauren Conlin would be

1066
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 2: out there on her phone reporting if anything happened. I

1067
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 2: was like, if I start seeing that table back there,

1068
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 2: like walking outside, I know something happened.

1069
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 3: We're gonna say if something major happens, to come up

1070
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 3: here and just tell everybody.

1071
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 2: You'll know, I'll just do it well, live streaming, right

1072
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 2: from live streaming, right from the stage.

1073
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 3: No, but I mean, now is what three weeks she's

1074
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:05,920
Speaker 3: been gone? I think it's twenty one days today, twenty

1075
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 3: one days as of tonight when she's been missing. I mean,

1076
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 3: we were at an event the other day and it

1077
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 3: was all anybody could talk about their theories and everything

1078
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 3: going on.

1079
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, we saw Cheryl the other day. We did see

1080
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 2: Cheryl the other She's been on TV every single day.

1081
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:22,440
Speaker 2: She's making the rounds, Cheryl.

1082
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Speaker 3: McCollum, Cheryl's on one, Cheryl at Crime Con. So I'm

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Speaker 3: due Crime Con weekend unfortunately, and Cheryl's suggestion was just

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Speaker 3: come anyway and give birth on stage and have your

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01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:36,120
Speaker 3: mom narrate it to the crowd. She doesn't understand why

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Speaker 3: we don't want to do it that way. Yeah, so

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Speaker 3: I'll do it.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna beat you know that, that Kelsey lady, the

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Speaker 2: wife what's her name?

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Speaker 3: Oh, Kylie Kelsey podcasted two days after giving birth.

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Speaker 2: You're we're gonna beat that. We're gonna do it. I

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01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:55,920
Speaker 2: have to one up her. Yes, I have to. You

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01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 2: have to at the hospital. We're doing it. I don't

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01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 2: care if you don't feel lift. There's no excuse.

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Speaker 3: I'm not. There's no maternity.

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01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:06,160
Speaker 2: We don't spose, we don't, they don't, we don't take off.

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Speaker 2: We're not We're not those kinds of people.

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Speaker 3: I really, I'm gonna one up er like she she

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01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 3: thinks she's showing everybody. I'm gonna show you see how

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Speaker 3: it goes. No, So I guess where we're at right now.

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Speaker 3: Is there gonna be focusing on the genetic genealogy right

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Speaker 3: from these gloves they've recovered.

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01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:26,280
Speaker 2: They apparently they found another glove.

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Speaker 3: How do they know for sure these other gloves connected

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Speaker 3: to these people?

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Speaker 2: Well, they found a glove with blood on it recently. Okay,

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01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:38,120
Speaker 2: but like I would be anything, Yeah, like random bloody

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Speaker 2: glove in the desert. I'm kind of like, I was

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01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 2: so obsessed with this case, and I think I lost

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01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 2: so much sleep over the past couple of weeks because

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01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:48,880
Speaker 2: did you notice that it was like Saturday night at

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01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 2: ten o'clock that they were having these raids and this

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01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:54,320
Speaker 2: and that, and then I was like I can't fall asleep.

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01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:56,920
Speaker 2: Something's gonna come out and it just now I'm just

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01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:58,200
Speaker 2: like I'm tired.

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Speaker 3: No. They asked me at the doctor are you sleeping okay?

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Speaker 3: And I was like, well, I don't know if it's

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Speaker 3: pregnancy related or it really.

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Speaker 2: Worth it, such as Nancy Guffery is.

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Speaker 3: I just need to know where she is. So it's

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Speaker 3: it's really hard, especially every single day all this information

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01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 3: is coming out, some of it's wrong. You just like

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Speaker 3: can't believe how botch this investigation. I mean, this investigation

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01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 3: is just like completely all over the place. I don't

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Speaker 3: understand how anybody could follow it at this point. I

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01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:25,480
Speaker 3: feel like on Thursday I gave up and was just like,

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01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:27,440
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna check every couple of days instead of

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Speaker 3: every single day. I can't keep up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe it'll be mind blowing, like the Idaho case

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01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 2: was that we all think that they're like it's a

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01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:38,000
Speaker 2: shit show and then all of a sudden they have

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Speaker 2: it all together behind the scenes.

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Speaker 3: I really don't think that's gonna happen. This guy, this sheriff,

1134
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 3: has not proven that he's good at public speaking. He

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01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:48,440
Speaker 3: seems like he just likes being on TV all the time.

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Speaker 2: Could it be Aliens? There's a good hearing. Yeah, I

1137
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 2: don't know. Like we were talking about this when we

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01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:01,440
Speaker 2: saw Cheryl the other day, like, I we're all nobody

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01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 2: even knows. I talked to some people that have been

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01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 2: I mean, Cheryl's been making the rounds. It fits it,

1141
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:11,360
Speaker 2: like these people that have been making the rounds a lot,

1142
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 2: and and nobody really has a strong idea of what

1143
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 2: could happen. It just could be anything from like just

1144
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:24,320
Speaker 2: thugs to something really highly sophisticated. Who knows.

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01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:27,920
Speaker 3: Lauren shared the other day, Thank god Bethany Frankel chumped

1146
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:31,800
Speaker 3: in with her. Did I just I was just dying

1147
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 3: to know what she thought, just to say that it

1148
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 3: was probably so out of control.

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01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 2: It's so out of con.

1150
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:41,160
Speaker 3: It's so out of control. I don't I'm tired of that, lady.

1151
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 3: I can't even get anything.

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01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:44,520
Speaker 2: The only thing that I could add, because this is

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01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:47,280
Speaker 2: just like the genetic genealogy thing is like above my

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01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:50,640
Speaker 2: pay grade. But I the only thing that I could

1155
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:53,000
Speaker 2: add from it is the whole blood situation that was

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01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 2: found on the scene. Like, I just don't think it's

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01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:57,920
Speaker 2: a big deal. If you look at this picture at

1158
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:01,080
Speaker 2: the very end of where her wrist is, it's it's

1159
01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:04,960
Speaker 2: kind of purpleish. She has what's called snile echamoses, which

1160
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:08,520
Speaker 2: is when you get older, you lose the subcutaneous fat

1161
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:11,840
Speaker 2: in your whole entire body, and all of the blood

1162
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:15,160
Speaker 2: vessels that are right underneath of your skin don't have

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01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 2: that fat padding protection anymore. So, and on top of that,

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01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:22,400
Speaker 2: she's on blood thinners too, So the combination of that,

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01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:26,680
Speaker 2: like sometimes I do autopsy an old person like this

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01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:29,080
Speaker 2: and just move their arm and the skin just rips

1167
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:31,800
Speaker 2: because it's just so so thin, and then she's on

1168
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:34,880
Speaker 2: blood thinners, so she's just gonna bleed. Like that guy

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01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:37,520
Speaker 2: could have just grabbed her wrist and pulled her away,

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01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 2: and that blood could have been there. And I've never

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01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 2: even heard really anybody say this that that blood didn't

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01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:46,480
Speaker 2: even have to be from that night, Like she could

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01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:49,400
Speaker 2: have got caught on something three days prior and that

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01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:51,800
Speaker 2: blood could have been there, well something. I just don't

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01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:54,240
Speaker 2: think it's like people are acting like she was like

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01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:57,200
Speaker 2: killed or something, and I just don't think it's that

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Speaker 2: much blood.

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Speaker 3: But I think the biggest concern is that we don't

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01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:03,720
Speaker 3: know for sure if the police saw that blood on

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01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:05,440
Speaker 3: the porch or if yeah, he saw it for the

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01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:08,720
Speaker 3: first time when Brian intonposted those pictures because if you

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01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:11,400
Speaker 3: notice too, I mean, obviously I have no problem if

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01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:13,760
Speaker 3: they don't want to mention that to compromise the investigation.

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01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 3: But they were pointing other experts were pointing out there

1185
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:19,520
Speaker 3: wasn't even swab marks in it or anything, like it

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01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:20,600
Speaker 3: never was even tested.

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01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:23,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I don't want to say, because

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01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:27,640
Speaker 2: like you don't know what's going on, you know, I

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01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:29,840
Speaker 2: don't know. I do think the guy is talking a lot,

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01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 2: so like maybe I don't know, and they didn't find her, so.

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01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:34,800
Speaker 3: He's talking a lot. And then we talked about on

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01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:37,480
Speaker 3: the show this week too, how the Today Show posted

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01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 3: this totally insensitive like sometimes you just need a hug

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01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:43,240
Speaker 3: from your mom when their main anchor's mother is literally

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01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:46,040
Speaker 3: missing right now. And then they're like, oh, she's she's

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01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 3: a leave of absence.

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01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:48,600
Speaker 2: Obviously she's not coming back.

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Speaker 3: How are you identity this anchor that's covering all the

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Speaker 3: major news stories when your mother is the most major

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01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:57,200
Speaker 3: news story this week? What are they even talking about?

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01:05:57,840 --> 01:05:58,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.

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01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:01,439
Speaker 3: There's just all the conspiracies and everything, so it could

1203
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:02,360
Speaker 3: really be anything.

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01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, i'd love to know what you guys

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01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 2: think about it. Okay, I think the crowdsourcing is really

1206
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:13,240
Speaker 2: good as far as like all the social media posts

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01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:15,600
Speaker 2: and stuff, because people are really finding like cool.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and somebody on ancestry marked hers deceased on Valentine's Day,

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01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:21,760
Speaker 3: which I tried to look further into and it was

1210
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:26,040
Speaker 3: really blocking my asses and people I think could manually

1211
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:28,720
Speaker 3: put that in. So I don't want to take that,

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01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:31,600
Speaker 3: but we should rely on citizens lo as well, because

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01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:34,960
Speaker 3: they are really willing to give their free, unpaid time

1214
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:38,440
Speaker 3: to looking into the deepest, darkest parts of the Internet

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01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 3: to solve this case. Okay, guys, well, we want to

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Speaker 3: thank you so much for coming to our show today.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was awesome. Thanks thanks for having us.

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Speaker 3: Our next and probably final live show for a while,

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Speaker 3: thanks to the baby is gonna be in April with

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Speaker 3: the Center for Forensics Research and Education, hosted by Caroline

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01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:06,520
Speaker 3: over there with NMS Labs. So we're gonna be doing

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Speaker 3: a two day fundraising event in Horsham, Pennsylvania, and we'll

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Speaker 3: have more information on that in the next couple of days.

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Speaker 3: It'll be another live show. I think you're doing a

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Speaker 3: solo election.

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Speaker 2: We're having there's gonna be other like, yeah, forensic experts there,

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Speaker 2: So it's gonna be it's gonna be so awesome. Well

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Speaker 2: we don't really, we're not gonna now too yet, but

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Speaker 2: it's gonna be great, and we're gonna do a podcast.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna do a similar episode to this, and then

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Speaker 2: we also I'm gonna do a lecture, I believe, and

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Speaker 2: then there's gonna be we're gonna have like a symposium

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Speaker 2: and then you could tour the Center for Forensic Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's gonna be awesome.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gonna be amazing. And we just want to

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Speaker 3: thank you guys again so much, and we hope you

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Speaker 3: enjoyed our show.

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Speaker 2: Bye, thank you for listening to Mother nos Death. As

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Speaker 2: a reminder, my training is as a pathologist's assistant. I

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Speaker 2: have a master's level education and specialize in anatomy and

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Speaker 2: pathology education. I am not a doctor and I have

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Speaker 2: not diagnosed or treated anyone dead or alive without the

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Speaker 2: assistance of a licensed medical doctor. This show, my website,

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Speaker 2: people based on my experience working in pathology, so they

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Speaker 2: can make healthier decisions regarding their life and well being.

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Speaker 2: Always remember that science is changing every day, and the

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Speaker 2: of those subjects at the time of publication. If you

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