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Speaker 1: The Book of Joe podcast is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey Daron, welcome back.

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Speaker 1: It is the Book of Joe Podcast with me, Tom

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Speaker 1: Berducci and Joe Madden. Hey Joe, we are now one

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Speaker 1: third of the way through the Major League Baseball season.

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Speaker 2: How about that two months?

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Speaker 3: In the books, what happens is you go to spring

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Speaker 3: training and it's slow time, and it just seems like

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Speaker 3: becomes very boring in a sense. Spring training's too long.

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Speaker 3: We need to shorten this thing up. And I always

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Speaker 3: argued against that. I always thought it was just the

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Speaker 3: right amount of time. So you get through camp, teason begins,

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Speaker 3: play game day off, play game day off, rain out, whatever,

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Speaker 3: slow time. But then eventually it gathers momentum, and once

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Speaker 3: and then it turns over, then it goes and right

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Speaker 3: now they're gonna start feeling that in fact, he got

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Speaker 4: This is where it starts.

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Speaker 3: Get a little bit quickly before you not it's the

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Speaker 3: All Star break, but it's always felt that way. Slow time,

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Speaker 3: and then when it turns into fast time.

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Speaker 1: Heads up, Yeah, thanks for bringing up memories of my

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Speaker 1: nineteen seventy three Plymouth satellite.

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Speaker 2: There you go made that engine.

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Speaker 3: God that that was a fantastic few three eighteen or

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Speaker 3: three eighty three.

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Speaker 2: Do you remember three eighteen? It was an old police

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Speaker 2: car could run great. Hey, a lot of things. I

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Speaker 2: want to get to you.

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Speaker 1: I want to get to your take and mine on

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Speaker 1: the biggest surprises of the first third of the season.

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Speaker 2: We'll get to that.

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Speaker 1: We'll get to a future Hall of Famer you might

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Speaker 1: not have noticed in plain sight. But we need to

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Speaker 1: end the strike zone. I got to talk to you,

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Speaker 1: Joe about the strike zone here. But Joe, I want

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Speaker 1: to talk to you about a couple of our favorite subjects,

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Speaker 1: the two highest paid players in the game, sho.

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Speaker 2: He Otani and Juan Soto.

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Speaker 1: And for very different reasons, Shoe just continues to amaze us, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, as much as we see him and you know,

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Speaker 1: he does something that just makes you go wow. So

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Speaker 1: he goes to Cleveland. He's hit home runs in two

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Speaker 1: him out the first time. Second time up, Joe, they're

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Speaker 1: already down. The Guardians are down two nothing. There's a

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Speaker 4: On that.

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Speaker 1: They walked him intentionally early in the game. We're talking

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Speaker 1: Now Mookie walked, and then they Bibe actually struck out

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Speaker 1: Freddy Freeman, and then next time up it shows you

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Speaker 2: Show Hey.

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Speaker 1: He hits a home run to the left field, opposite field,

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Speaker 1: Show Hey, when you know you've got Mooki and Freeman

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Speaker 2: No part of this guy early in the game trailing two.

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Speaker 4: To me, that would be based on trends.

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Speaker 3: I mean, of course, he is who he is normally

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Speaker 3: of Freeman his freame, and I understand all that, but

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Speaker 4: But yeah, you make up your mind before the game begins.

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Speaker 3: I would listen if it gets to this point shows

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Speaker 3: us looking invincible right now. I know it's weird to

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Speaker 3: then sometimes it just it does, in some weird way,

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Speaker 1: And oh, by the way, Joe, he's doing this while

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Speaker 3: He's always he never looks like he's in trouble, like

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Speaker 3: But listen, he's strong, he's good.

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Speaker 4: I get all that.

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Speaker 3: But that was a flyball the left that kept going.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, thirty nine degree launch angle. It tied

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Speaker 2: A couple of things on show Ay.

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Speaker 1: First of all, his slugging percentage the last three seasons

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Speaker 1: it's just amazing he's on pace that hit fifty nine

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Speaker 1: not an exaggeration. He's scored fifty seven runs in the

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Speaker 1: I would now put it past him and this Dodger

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, he knocks himself in fifty to sixty times.

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Speaker 3: I was listening to all that. I don't think any

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Speaker 3: That just speaks of the entirety of the lineups. Gerig

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Speaker 3: That just speaks of the whole thing. Yeah, it's just

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Speaker 3: it's it's basically like your baseball Instinctively, when I scouted

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Speaker 3: think it's demonstrated there good base runners. When you're a

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Speaker 3: So all these guys you're talking about, obviously great players,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you, Joe.

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Speaker 1: It's a kind of a I think it underrepresented part

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Speaker 1: it's not necessarily tied directly to speed, Which brings me

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Speaker 1: to Juan Soto. And listen, we just talked about it's

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Speaker 1: Joe about what we've seen so far. Assuming he's going

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Speaker 1: and it is a funk, I'm going to throw some

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Speaker 1: numbers at you here, Joe. Let me start with base riding.

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Speaker 1: By the way, since you brought it up. His sprint speed,

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Speaker 2: I don't understand that.

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Speaker 1: If you look at just players who are twenty six

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Speaker 1: Wan Soto, Alejandro Kirk, Cabert Ruiz, two catchers, Nolan Shanuel,

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Speaker 1: and eastac Paradis. I was watching the other day the

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Speaker 1: Dodgers pulled off the old five man infield trick right,

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Speaker 1: The second baseman Lee had to hustle behind back to

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Speaker 1: and he turned it easily. Want Soto was the runner

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Speaker 1: Joe Infield is in the first basement, is in front

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Speaker 3: So I'll defend the lead only from the perspective of

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Speaker 4: But overall the speed and if.

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Speaker 1: I agree with you on getting him right. You know,

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, he's swinging less. He's looking at a

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Speaker 1: The major league average hitter swings at a pitch in

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Speaker 1: We know that this year that's down to fifty five percent.

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Speaker 1: Because to me, Joe, he's not nearly as much into

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Speaker 1: He's not handling that pitch down. All these numbers career

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Speaker 1: Last year, he hit twenty four home runs that were

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Speaker 3: Lot, but I disagree with this completely swinging less. Then

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Speaker 4: That's the approach I would take with him.

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Speaker 3: A B. The pull side of the field does not exist.

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Speaker 3: I want everything hit from that right center field foul

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Speaker 3: He's always had a wonderful aggressiveness on his pitch, so

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Speaker 3: I think that's counterintuitive to what he does.

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Speaker 4: He doesn't go up there to look to take.

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Speaker 3: and don't think swing lesser, swing more. Every pitch is

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Speaker 1: It sounds like a good approach Joe, again, knowing he

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Speaker 3: I would wonder if Scotty like analytically had the boys

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Speaker 4: He's probably thinking that you're.

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Speaker 3: Swinging too much, putting too many balls in play that

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Speaker 4: To me, be the wrong way to go about it.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mentioned Joe, a future Hall of Famer within

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Book of Joe. Hey, Joe.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing a game the other day in Detroit. It's

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Speaker 1: Guardians against the Tigers. And if you didn't know Jose

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Speaker 1: it perfectly, throws a strike to the plate. Jose Ramirez

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Speaker 1: is safe. I mean he had the perfect textbook secondary lead, read, jump, speed, slide, everything,

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Speaker 1: I mean, this guy's got power, he's got speed, and

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Speaker 3: Brother, I've been a fan ever since I first saw

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Speaker 3: It's almost it's like a not quite but like a

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Speaker 3: I mean, he went to the line, did the spin

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Speaker 3: But the base dealing, that's that's just knowing how to

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Speaker 3: he understands what's going on out there, so he is

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00:20:18,318 --> 00:20:21,398
Speaker 3: all of that. I agree with you, a thousand percent

437
00:20:21,918 --> 00:20:24,798
Speaker 3: huge fan. Don't want to see him in a big situation,

438
00:20:25,478 --> 00:20:28,398
Speaker 3: and he is. He's all of that. It just doesn't

439
00:20:28,398 --> 00:20:29,638
Speaker 3: look like all of that, but he is.

440
00:20:30,038 --> 00:20:32,918
Speaker 1: I love the Kirby Pucket comparison. Hadn't thought about that one,

441
00:20:32,958 --> 00:20:36,718
Speaker 1: but that is perfect, you know. I remember cal Ripkin

442
00:20:36,798 --> 00:20:39,318
Speaker 1: telling me that Kirby and Dave Winfield, Robin ye Out

443
00:20:39,358 --> 00:20:41,918
Speaker 1: were the guys that made him get the ball the

444
00:20:41,958 --> 00:20:44,278
Speaker 1: first base in a hurry all the time, no matter

445
00:20:44,318 --> 00:20:45,678
Speaker 1: how routine the ground ball was.

446
00:20:45,718 --> 00:20:46,798
Speaker 2: And that's Soose Ramirez.

447
00:20:46,878 --> 00:20:49,398
Speaker 1: I mean, he's got more hustled doubles that I've seen

448
00:20:49,958 --> 00:20:52,158
Speaker 1: in the last five six years than anybody. He's out

449
00:20:52,198 --> 00:20:56,638
Speaker 1: of the box every time, thinking too, just an all

450
00:20:56,678 --> 00:20:59,478
Speaker 1: out effort, high contact guy with power.

451
00:20:59,598 --> 00:21:00,878
Speaker 2: I love that. I hadn't thought about that.

452
00:21:00,998 --> 00:21:05,558
Speaker 1: Kirby Pucket, good comp Joe, worry about the strike zone?

453
00:21:05,918 --> 00:21:08,118
Speaker 1: Do you think it's different this year? Have you noticed anything?

454
00:21:08,158 --> 00:21:10,078
Speaker 1: I've got a lot of catchers and pictures telling me

455
00:21:10,278 --> 00:21:13,438
Speaker 1: that those edge pitches now are being called balls that

456
00:21:13,558 --> 00:21:14,558
Speaker 1: used to be strikes.

457
00:21:14,878 --> 00:21:18,638
Speaker 3: Yeah, I overall, I mean this is just when I'm

458
00:21:18,678 --> 00:21:22,758
Speaker 3: watching and you know, just just the way like you're

459
00:21:22,758 --> 00:21:27,798
Speaker 3: talking about, it's very more more defined, more more confined,

460
00:21:27,918 --> 00:21:32,358
Speaker 3: more definitive kind of a thing, smaller than it looks like.

461
00:21:32,438 --> 00:21:35,318
Speaker 3: You know, the the catchers are still trying to frame

462
00:21:35,358 --> 00:21:37,678
Speaker 3: them and I don't even know or whatever you want

463
00:21:37,678 --> 00:21:40,318
Speaker 3: to call that, which I don't like.

464
00:21:40,478 --> 00:21:41,198
Speaker 4: I don't like the way.

465
00:21:41,158 --> 00:21:43,478
Speaker 3: Picture the catchers are pulling pitches. Maybe the empires have

466
00:21:43,518 --> 00:21:45,878
Speaker 3: gotten have had enough of that. Maybe there's an off

467
00:21:45,918 --> 00:21:48,598
Speaker 3: season meetings. Say, listen, these guys are making us look

468
00:21:48,638 --> 00:21:49,958
Speaker 3: bad the way they're pulling pitches.

469
00:21:49,958 --> 00:21:51,838
Speaker 4: And I used to.

470
00:21:51,758 --> 00:21:54,478
Speaker 3: Tell my catchers and when I I was a catching instructor,

471
00:21:54,998 --> 00:21:57,718
Speaker 3: you start pulling pitches, uh, and the umpire is going

472
00:21:57,758 --> 00:21:59,598
Speaker 3: to say something in your ears, which they do. They

473
00:21:59,638 --> 00:22:02,758
Speaker 3: just lean over and they'll say something to you, and

474
00:22:02,918 --> 00:22:04,318
Speaker 3: eventually you don't get anything.

475
00:22:04,398 --> 00:22:05,118
Speaker 4: At that point.

476
00:22:05,318 --> 00:22:07,558
Speaker 3: That was you could call it the old school, but

477
00:22:07,598 --> 00:22:11,838
Speaker 3: I like that because you have to catch the ball,

478
00:22:11,918 --> 00:22:14,438
Speaker 3: receive it well, present it well, but none of this

479
00:22:14,558 --> 00:22:15,198
Speaker 3: pulling stuff.

480
00:22:15,198 --> 00:22:16,398
Speaker 4: So maybe they got tired of that.

481
00:22:16,518 --> 00:22:19,838
Speaker 3: I don't know, because I used to always ask my

482
00:22:19,918 --> 00:22:23,478
Speaker 3: catchers also when a there's a really close pitch that

483
00:22:23,558 --> 00:22:25,598
Speaker 3: you thought was a ball and you wanted to strike,

484
00:22:25,638 --> 00:22:27,118
Speaker 3: but you knew it was a ball. In the empire

485
00:22:27,558 --> 00:22:31,278
Speaker 3: said ball, I would say tell him, good call. That's right,

486
00:22:31,438 --> 00:22:34,918
Speaker 3: good call, because you want to develop this rapport with

487
00:22:34,958 --> 00:22:37,198
Speaker 3: these umpires that they could trust you because you're always

488
00:22:37,238 --> 00:22:39,558
Speaker 3: talking to them. I need that pitch, we need that pitch.

489
00:22:39,598 --> 00:22:41,518
Speaker 3: I want that pitch, that was a good pitch.

490
00:22:41,558 --> 00:22:41,958
Speaker 4: Whatever.

491
00:22:42,238 --> 00:22:44,358
Speaker 3: But then you also got to tell him when he's right. No,

492
00:22:44,478 --> 00:22:46,598
Speaker 3: you're right, that was off a little bit whatever, So

493
00:22:46,958 --> 00:22:48,278
Speaker 3: I for me, it was just.

494
00:22:48,238 --> 00:22:48,838
Speaker 4: A matter of time.

495
00:22:48,878 --> 00:22:50,558
Speaker 3: I don't know if this is true or not, but

496
00:22:50,838 --> 00:22:55,278
Speaker 3: this framing, pulling of pitches, if I was an umpire'd

497
00:22:55,278 --> 00:22:57,158
Speaker 3: be insulted by all that, and I would say stop

498
00:22:57,198 --> 00:22:58,758
Speaker 3: doing it, or you're getting anything close.

499
00:22:59,078 --> 00:23:00,118
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you on that.

500
00:23:00,478 --> 00:23:03,238
Speaker 1: I'd hate to see that yanking at the baseball into

501
00:23:03,278 --> 00:23:05,318
Speaker 1: the zone. I mean to me, you're announcing the balls

502
00:23:05,358 --> 00:23:07,358
Speaker 1: out of the zone. The subtlety of it.

503
00:23:07,478 --> 00:23:07,718
Speaker 2: Yeah.

504
00:23:07,758 --> 00:23:10,878
Speaker 1: Sure, But the number on one rule on framing is

505
00:23:10,918 --> 00:23:14,398
Speaker 1: don't lose strikes. You know, make sure the strike is

506
00:23:14,438 --> 00:23:18,558
Speaker 1: a strike. I bring it up because, unbeknownst to the players,

507
00:23:18,918 --> 00:23:22,238
Speaker 1: I think when the season began, the system the umpires

508
00:23:22,238 --> 00:23:26,518
Speaker 1: are graded on has changed this year, okay, and before

509
00:23:26,598 --> 00:23:32,158
Speaker 1: last year, umpires were given a buffer zone of two inches.

510
00:23:32,558 --> 00:23:35,118
Speaker 1: So if the ball is two inches off the outside

511
00:23:35,238 --> 00:23:38,758
Speaker 1: corner and the umpire calls it a strike when he

512
00:23:38,758 --> 00:23:41,358
Speaker 1: gets his report after the game, that will go down

513
00:23:41,398 --> 00:23:44,918
Speaker 1: as a correct call. So the umpires, I mean, they

514
00:23:44,998 --> 00:23:47,078
Speaker 1: make their living on that report card. After the game,

515
00:23:47,118 --> 00:23:49,918
Speaker 1: they get a report, how many calls did you make?

516
00:23:49,958 --> 00:23:50,878
Speaker 2: How many did you miss?

517
00:23:50,998 --> 00:23:54,678
Speaker 1: So those are called strikes to the umpire, even if

518
00:23:54,678 --> 00:23:56,998
Speaker 1: they're literally out of the zone, So that kind of

519
00:23:57,078 --> 00:24:00,918
Speaker 1: defines what they call. Well, this year, that buffer zone

520
00:24:00,958 --> 00:24:03,918
Speaker 1: has been reduced to three quarters of an inch. Why

521
00:24:03,918 --> 00:24:07,838
Speaker 1: why did it change because of the automatic ball strike system,

522
00:24:07,878 --> 00:24:10,878
Speaker 1: the ABS system, which is coming probably next year. You

523
00:24:10,958 --> 00:24:13,518
Speaker 1: saw it tried out in spring training, or the batter

524
00:24:14,078 --> 00:24:18,318
Speaker 1: catcher pitcher could challenge a ball strike called by an umpire.

525
00:24:18,878 --> 00:24:20,998
Speaker 1: It's being done in the minor leagues, it's probably coming

526
00:24:21,038 --> 00:24:23,918
Speaker 1: next year the major leagues, so to get ready for that,

527
00:24:24,118 --> 00:24:26,958
Speaker 1: and that's a robotic strike zone, so that is literally

528
00:24:27,398 --> 00:24:31,078
Speaker 1: an established strike zone. There are no buffers with a machine.

529
00:24:31,158 --> 00:24:33,598
Speaker 1: I mean, if you want to get technical, the margin

530
00:24:33,678 --> 00:24:36,678
Speaker 1: of error for that is less than a fifth of

531
00:24:36,718 --> 00:24:37,118
Speaker 1: an inch.

532
00:24:37,318 --> 00:24:38,718
Speaker 2: It's like minuscule.

533
00:24:39,318 --> 00:24:42,398
Speaker 1: So to get the umpires trained on calling the literal

534
00:24:42,438 --> 00:24:46,878
Speaker 1: strike zone, they reduced the buffer zone. So now they're

535
00:24:46,918 --> 00:24:50,398
Speaker 1: calling what the pitchers and catchers were saying is a

536
00:24:50,398 --> 00:24:54,038
Speaker 1: tighter zone. And I checked the numbers and it's actually true.

537
00:24:54,678 --> 00:24:56,518
Speaker 1: And i'd like your thoughts on that.

538
00:24:56,638 --> 00:24:56,878
Speaker 2: Joe.

539
00:24:57,038 --> 00:24:59,478
Speaker 3: First of all, I mean I didn't really see a

540
00:24:59,518 --> 00:25:03,158
Speaker 3: whole lot of the automatic strike zone in spring training.

541
00:25:03,598 --> 00:25:05,758
Speaker 3: I know, I guess there's kind of a challenge system

542
00:25:05,758 --> 00:25:06,278
Speaker 3: involved with that.

543
00:25:06,318 --> 00:25:06,598
Speaker 4: Whatever.

544
00:25:06,598 --> 00:25:08,438
Speaker 3: I don't know how it's going to be implemented next year.

545
00:25:10,278 --> 00:25:13,758
Speaker 3: I'd have to see it more. I'm only hesitant only

546
00:25:13,798 --> 00:25:17,278
Speaker 3: because the optics of the whole thing. I would bet

547
00:25:17,518 --> 00:25:20,198
Speaker 3: that balls that are called pitches that are called strikes

548
00:25:21,278 --> 00:25:23,518
Speaker 3: now may look like balls, and pitches that may have

549
00:25:23,598 --> 00:25:25,478
Speaker 3: looked like balls are going to be called strikes right now.

550
00:25:25,478 --> 00:25:27,678
Speaker 3: So optically, I think you're gonna have to make some

551
00:25:27,758 --> 00:25:33,638
Speaker 3: adjustment with that. My biggest concern technology in general. We're

552
00:25:33,678 --> 00:25:36,078
Speaker 3: so overwrought with it. There's certain areas of our life

553
00:25:36,078 --> 00:25:39,238
Speaker 3: that I don't think it's absolutely necessary. Yeah, I want

554
00:25:39,238 --> 00:25:41,118
Speaker 3: my doctors to be caught up on all this stuff.

555
00:25:41,118 --> 00:25:42,718
Speaker 3: I want all my surgeons to be caught up on

556
00:25:42,758 --> 00:25:45,078
Speaker 3: all this stuff. You know, if I'm defending the United States,

557
00:25:45,118 --> 00:25:47,998
Speaker 3: I want all my defense people caught up on all

558
00:25:48,038 --> 00:25:50,038
Speaker 3: the tech and all that stuff. When it comes down

559
00:25:50,078 --> 00:25:53,118
Speaker 3: to human stuff, like a baseball game, whatever, it's only

560
00:25:53,158 --> 00:25:55,118
Speaker 3: it's really I think the biggest part of this is

561
00:25:55,118 --> 00:25:59,198
Speaker 3: honestly just because of the ascension of gambling throughout the

562
00:25:59,198 --> 00:26:03,278
Speaker 3: sports industries, not just baseball. Everything that perfection is necessary.

563
00:26:03,958 --> 00:26:06,798
Speaker 3: People are are so easily to bet on a ball game.

564
00:26:07,038 --> 00:26:08,798
Speaker 3: I can pick up my phone right here and make

565
00:26:08,838 --> 00:26:11,158
Speaker 3: any kind of a bet. And the fact that it

566
00:26:11,198 --> 00:26:13,758
Speaker 3: has to be accurate and precise because people don't want

567
00:26:13,758 --> 00:26:16,798
Speaker 3: to be losing money on a human beings call, whereas

568
00:26:16,838 --> 00:26:19,318
Speaker 3: it could be corrected technologically speaking.

569
00:26:19,398 --> 00:26:21,718
Speaker 4: So for a lot of reasons I think.

570
00:26:21,558 --> 00:26:22,838
Speaker 3: That has something to do with it, are a lot

571
00:26:22,878 --> 00:26:25,638
Speaker 3: to do with it. So again, I'm into tech. There's

572
00:26:25,678 --> 00:26:27,398
Speaker 3: so many reasons why I love my I love brand

573
00:26:27,398 --> 00:26:29,838
Speaker 3: conditioning in my car. I like the big TV that

574
00:26:29,918 --> 00:26:31,478
Speaker 3: I have in my back room there with the great

575
00:26:31,558 --> 00:26:33,758
Speaker 3: sounds of them. I love all of that stuff. But

576
00:26:33,798 --> 00:26:35,878
Speaker 3: when it comes down in games like this, I want

577
00:26:35,878 --> 00:26:37,918
Speaker 3: it to be accurate. But to the point where when

578
00:26:37,918 --> 00:26:40,238
Speaker 3: you have to like break it down into these nano moments,

579
00:26:40,798 --> 00:26:43,718
Speaker 3: is that really necessary? And I'm probably I don't know.

580
00:26:43,758 --> 00:26:45,678
Speaker 3: It's probably a fifty to fifty argument. I think there's

581
00:26:45,678 --> 00:26:47,638
Speaker 3: going to be some people that agree with what I'm

582
00:26:47,638 --> 00:26:49,638
Speaker 3: seeing and then totally disagree because if it's there and

583
00:26:49,638 --> 00:26:53,358
Speaker 3: it's available, why not use it? Only because last point,

584
00:26:53,558 --> 00:26:57,798
Speaker 3: tech for me, really subtracts emotion from what we're doing.

585
00:26:58,278 --> 00:27:00,598
Speaker 3: In other words, we rely on these things, we stop

586
00:27:00,638 --> 00:27:05,598
Speaker 3: thinking for ourselves, we stop, we stop being creative pushing forwardever,

587
00:27:05,638 --> 00:27:10,158
Speaker 3: because we succumb to a machine technology parameters that we

588
00:27:10,238 --> 00:27:12,478
Speaker 3: can't necessarily see, because our eyes don't move that well,

589
00:27:12,558 --> 00:27:13,598
Speaker 3: our brains aren't that good.

590
00:27:13,958 --> 00:27:15,118
Speaker 4: So is that a good thing?

591
00:27:16,198 --> 00:27:19,758
Speaker 3: I'm saying no, anything that really disrupts the creative process I'm.

592
00:27:19,638 --> 00:27:20,438
Speaker 4: Always concerned with.

593
00:27:20,878 --> 00:27:25,878
Speaker 3: So long answer, I'm not entirely convinced. I'd have to

594
00:27:25,878 --> 00:27:29,118
Speaker 3: see it the in motion or action, But that's my

595
00:27:29,198 --> 00:27:32,598
Speaker 3: concern that that's taking over too much, and I believe

596
00:27:32,638 --> 00:27:36,238
Speaker 3: the primary objective is to ameliorate those that.

597
00:27:36,238 --> 00:27:37,678
Speaker 2: Bet on games overall.

598
00:27:37,758 --> 00:27:39,878
Speaker 1: Joe Isaiah one hundred percent agree with you. I think

599
00:27:39,918 --> 00:27:42,838
Speaker 1: we do way too much outsourcing of our critical thinking

600
00:27:42,958 --> 00:27:47,158
Speaker 1: to machines, and I'm not sure i'd put this in

601
00:27:47,198 --> 00:27:49,758
Speaker 1: that category other than I think if we went to

602
00:27:49,798 --> 00:27:52,638
Speaker 1: a full on robotic system that would be troubling to me,

603
00:27:52,718 --> 00:27:55,398
Speaker 1: where every pitch is up to the machine. I like

604
00:27:55,478 --> 00:27:58,998
Speaker 1: the challenge system because it does introduce some strategy to

605
00:27:59,078 --> 00:28:01,638
Speaker 1: the game. You know, you only get two, so you're

606
00:28:01,638 --> 00:28:04,838
Speaker 1: not going to challenge every single pitch. I like the fact,

607
00:28:04,838 --> 00:28:08,118
Speaker 1: there's fan engagement. Like the Hawkeye system in tennis, everybody

608
00:28:08,158 --> 00:28:10,798
Speaker 1: finds out at the same time with an animated in

609
00:28:10,838 --> 00:28:12,838
Speaker 1: this case view of the strike zone, whether that ball

610
00:28:12,878 --> 00:28:15,358
Speaker 1: is in or out, and it goes in less than

611
00:28:15,398 --> 00:28:17,918
Speaker 1: seventeen seconds. It does not take a lot of time.

612
00:28:17,958 --> 00:28:20,478
Speaker 1: All these things I think are good things. But I

613
00:28:20,518 --> 00:28:24,198
Speaker 1: want to point out Joe that it's I like the

614
00:28:24,198 --> 00:28:28,678
Speaker 1: calls on the basis right. I don't want games decided

615
00:28:28,798 --> 00:28:32,998
Speaker 1: by egregious calls that everybody knows are wrong. I don't

616
00:28:33,038 --> 00:28:36,118
Speaker 1: think the umpires want that as well. So I see

617
00:28:36,158 --> 00:28:39,398
Speaker 1: this as a backstop against that. You know, that strikeout

618
00:28:39,438 --> 00:28:42,518
Speaker 1: call and a tie game and the eighth inning bases

619
00:28:42,558 --> 00:28:44,798
Speaker 1: loaded two outs, it's not a strike.

620
00:28:45,078 --> 00:28:46,038
Speaker 2: It changes the game.

621
00:28:46,198 --> 00:28:48,758
Speaker 1: I don't want those calls to stand when we all

622
00:28:48,798 --> 00:28:51,798
Speaker 1: can see because the technology is that good that that

623
00:28:51,878 --> 00:28:55,238
Speaker 1: will stand. So how often does this kind of stuff happen?

624
00:28:55,278 --> 00:28:57,478
Speaker 1: That's the question to me? And how different is the

625
00:28:57,558 --> 00:29:01,238
Speaker 1: zone this year? I check the numbers here. On average,

626
00:29:01,238 --> 00:29:03,238
Speaker 1: a homeplate umpire is going to make one hundred and

627
00:29:03,238 --> 00:29:05,998
Speaker 1: forty five calls a game with ball's not put in

628
00:29:06,038 --> 00:29:07,318
Speaker 1: play ball strike calls.

629
00:29:07,998 --> 00:29:09,798
Speaker 2: Of those, most of those are going to be out

630
00:29:09,838 --> 00:29:10,318
Speaker 2: of the zone.

631
00:29:10,918 --> 00:29:13,638
Speaker 1: Ninety eight on average, of those one hundred and forty

632
00:29:13,638 --> 00:29:16,798
Speaker 1: five calls are in pitches that are out of the zone. Now,

633
00:29:16,878 --> 00:29:19,198
Speaker 1: of those ninety eight calls he has to call on

634
00:29:19,238 --> 00:29:22,198
Speaker 1: pitches out of the zone, he's gonna call only four

635
00:29:22,238 --> 00:29:26,238
Speaker 1: point nine five percent of those are actually called strikes.

636
00:29:26,478 --> 00:29:28,918
Speaker 1: You want to call those missed calls, go ahead, these

637
00:29:28,958 --> 00:29:33,678
Speaker 1: are borderline calls whatever. So you're talking only about about

638
00:29:33,758 --> 00:29:37,158
Speaker 1: four or five pitches per game that quote unquote you're

639
00:29:37,198 --> 00:29:40,158
Speaker 1: giving the pitcher a strike. Well, with the quote unquote

640
00:29:40,238 --> 00:29:43,918
Speaker 1: new strike zone this year, that's gone up by exactly

641
00:29:45,078 --> 00:29:49,678
Speaker 1: one point one pitches, we're talking about one pitch per

642
00:29:49,878 --> 00:29:53,838
Speaker 1: game that this quote unquote new strike zone is influencing.

643
00:29:54,478 --> 00:29:56,918
Speaker 1: It's not a big deal, is it nothing? No, it's

644
00:29:56,958 --> 00:29:59,078
Speaker 1: a little more than nothing, especially if you happen to

645
00:29:59,078 --> 00:30:00,678
Speaker 1: be that hitter or you get wrung up on that

646
00:30:00,718 --> 00:30:04,598
Speaker 1: one pitch. But it's not worth getting upset of. Now,

647
00:30:04,678 --> 00:30:07,278
Speaker 1: if you went back ten years ago and you saw

648
00:30:07,358 --> 00:30:10,878
Speaker 1: this joe where umpires had a personal strike zone, not

649
00:30:11,078 --> 00:30:13,558
Speaker 1: a defined strike zone, and like you had to figure

650
00:30:13,558 --> 00:30:15,278
Speaker 1: out in the first or second inning, what's the strike

651
00:30:15,358 --> 00:30:19,278
Speaker 1: zone tonight? Right, or what's he given a pitcher or hey,

652
00:30:19,398 --> 00:30:21,718
Speaker 1: you know this is Frank Polli or whoever it is,

653
00:30:21,798 --> 00:30:25,518
Speaker 1: this is his strike zone. Yes, back then they were

654
00:30:25,598 --> 00:30:30,078
Speaker 1: calling ten pitches per game, not four or five that

655
00:30:30,158 --> 00:30:33,118
Speaker 1: were out of the strike zone as strikes. And I

656
00:30:33,198 --> 00:30:36,678
Speaker 1: look back in twenty fifteen, Dallas Kaikel won the Cy

657
00:30:36,798 --> 00:30:43,478
Speaker 1: Young Award. He threw sixty one percent fastballs that averaged

658
00:30:43,558 --> 00:30:47,278
Speaker 1: eighty nine miles per hour. He did not throw a

659
00:30:47,318 --> 00:30:49,878
Speaker 1: single pitch in twenty fifteen when he won the Say

660
00:30:49,878 --> 00:30:54,558
Speaker 1: Young Award that reached the average fastball velocity of twenty

661
00:30:54,718 --> 00:30:57,918
Speaker 1: twenty five. Now, how do you do that? You do

662
00:30:57,958 --> 00:31:00,398
Speaker 1: that because you could stretch the strike zone. Then I

663
00:31:00,438 --> 00:31:02,718
Speaker 1: don't think Dallas Kaikel or anybody could win to Say

664
00:31:02,798 --> 00:31:06,598
Speaker 1: Young today throwing sixty one percent fastballs at eighty nine

665
00:31:06,598 --> 00:31:07,318
Speaker 1: miles per hour.

666
00:31:07,878 --> 00:31:09,318
Speaker 2: That's how much the game has changed.

667
00:31:09,438 --> 00:31:12,158
Speaker 1: But I don't think this strike zone quote unquote change

668
00:31:12,158 --> 00:31:14,238
Speaker 1: that I'm hearing about from pitchers and catchers is that

669
00:31:14,318 --> 00:31:14,998
Speaker 1: big of a deal.

670
00:31:15,318 --> 00:31:18,478
Speaker 3: Yeah, listen, I again, I've seen a little bit of it.

671
00:31:19,158 --> 00:31:22,638
Speaker 3: That's a great explanation. A big part of Kyko then

672
00:31:22,678 --> 00:31:25,918
Speaker 3: and maybe compared to now, is just the continued.

673
00:31:27,038 --> 00:31:27,998
Speaker 4: Talk about or.

674
00:31:28,038 --> 00:31:31,478
Speaker 3: The morphing into we're going to have it organized strike zone.

675
00:31:31,638 --> 00:31:34,678
Speaker 3: It became popular, I think like early two thousands, and

676
00:31:34,718 --> 00:31:37,558
Speaker 3: then the Red Sox and the Yankees made it very popular.

677
00:31:37,598 --> 00:31:40,038
Speaker 3: Of course the Oakland A's did. Then everybody wanted to

678
00:31:40,078 --> 00:31:41,998
Speaker 3: be that group, so it got to the point where

679
00:31:42,438 --> 00:31:43,958
Speaker 3: I think it is now where that's one of the

680
00:31:44,158 --> 00:31:47,598
Speaker 3: more prominently preached part of it is part of hitting

681
00:31:47,678 --> 00:31:49,638
Speaker 3: is to really for the better teams that they have

682
00:31:49,718 --> 00:31:51,878
Speaker 3: and organized strikes and they're not going to chase outside

683
00:31:51,998 --> 00:31:55,438
Speaker 3: of it. I've saw Kiko pitch and maybe just just

684
00:31:55,478 --> 00:31:57,038
Speaker 3: from the fact that he was the ying to the

685
00:31:57,118 --> 00:32:00,078
Speaker 3: yang or whatever that everybody's trying to throw so hard,

686
00:32:00,078 --> 00:32:01,278
Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden you get a guy

687
00:32:01,278 --> 00:32:03,558
Speaker 3: that really flirts with the edges as well as he does,

688
00:32:04,038 --> 00:32:06,878
Speaker 3: and it becomes enticing. Even though you have really good

689
00:32:06,958 --> 00:32:09,678
Speaker 3: pregame reports, you still see see see it, and all

690
00:32:09,678 --> 00:32:11,038
Speaker 3: of a sudden, it's not there anymore.

691
00:32:11,478 --> 00:32:13,958
Speaker 4: So he just mindy he did. He had that one.

692
00:32:13,878 --> 00:32:16,558
Speaker 3: Really really he was good for a bit, but that

693
00:32:16,598 --> 00:32:21,158
Speaker 3: one excellent year. So again I guess I'm still lukewarm

694
00:32:21,158 --> 00:32:21,798
Speaker 3: on this topic.

695
00:32:21,918 --> 00:32:23,038
Speaker 4: I need to see it in.

696
00:32:23,038 --> 00:32:26,438
Speaker 3: Action more like permanently, but more often, like you said

697
00:32:26,478 --> 00:32:28,678
Speaker 3: next year, I don't have a better opinion because I

698
00:32:28,718 --> 00:32:33,158
Speaker 3: hear about it. I'm just I'm badgering from a human

699
00:32:33,198 --> 00:32:36,278
Speaker 3: perspective it art versus data perspective. I guess that's where

700
00:32:36,678 --> 00:32:38,438
Speaker 3: I'm stuck on this whole thing. And I got to,

701
00:32:38,798 --> 00:32:40,638
Speaker 3: you know, key State, keep an open mind with it,

702
00:32:40,798 --> 00:32:45,118
Speaker 3: watch the whole thing unfold. But again, I'm just you're right.

703
00:32:45,198 --> 00:32:45,598
Speaker 4: I love it.

704
00:32:45,638 --> 00:32:47,998
Speaker 3: On the basis, I thought that was a great move

705
00:32:48,358 --> 00:32:51,718
Speaker 3: and I still believe that's that's that's Legit go back

706
00:32:51,718 --> 00:32:54,158
Speaker 3: to when jim Joyce blew the perfect game on Galla Raga.

707
00:32:54,158 --> 00:32:57,918
Speaker 3: I thought that should have been symbolically the first call

708
00:32:57,998 --> 00:33:00,878
Speaker 3: that was changed before as they implemented the system of

709
00:33:00,958 --> 00:33:03,158
Speaker 3: challenges on the basis. I think Jimmy Joyce would have

710
00:33:03,158 --> 00:33:07,238
Speaker 3: loved that, so would have gone, there's such a dankins.

711
00:33:07,278 --> 00:33:10,638
Speaker 3: You're back in ed some really egregiously bad calls on

712
00:33:10,678 --> 00:33:13,558
Speaker 3: the basis that can really impact the game, and of

713
00:33:13,558 --> 00:33:16,558
Speaker 3: course could happen at home plate. But the more we

714
00:33:16,638 --> 00:33:18,078
Speaker 3: keep it in check.

715
00:33:17,918 --> 00:33:18,398
Speaker 4: I like it.

716
00:33:18,878 --> 00:33:21,518
Speaker 1: Yeah, And as you saw when it first was implemented

717
00:33:21,558 --> 00:33:24,798
Speaker 1: on the basis, there were times where that pop up slide,

718
00:33:24,918 --> 00:33:27,078
Speaker 1: that guy's foot would come off the base by a

719
00:33:27,118 --> 00:33:31,198
Speaker 1: millimeter and on replay he'd be out and people complain,

720
00:33:31,278 --> 00:33:33,118
Speaker 1: But I was like, you know, once you go down

721
00:33:33,198 --> 00:33:35,718
Speaker 1: the rabbit hole of replay, it has to be literal.

722
00:33:35,998 --> 00:33:38,198
Speaker 1: There's no gray areas, right, And you're going to see

723
00:33:38,238 --> 00:33:40,838
Speaker 1: the same thing next year with the ABS Challenge system.

724
00:33:40,878 --> 00:33:41,438
Speaker 2: On pitches.

725
00:33:41,918 --> 00:33:43,478
Speaker 1: You know there's going to be a pitch that is

726
00:33:43,518 --> 00:33:47,038
Speaker 1: a sliver I'm talking a millimeter outside of the established

727
00:33:47,038 --> 00:33:50,678
Speaker 1: strike zone and it will be overturned and you'll go like, well,

728
00:33:50,838 --> 00:33:53,718
Speaker 1: come on, you got to give them that pitch. But

729
00:33:53,758 --> 00:33:57,198
Speaker 1: that's that's what we have. We have an exacting universe

730
00:33:57,278 --> 00:34:00,238
Speaker 1: now because of technology, we want to get things down

731
00:34:00,238 --> 00:34:02,798
Speaker 1: to the last millimeter. And I do think it's coming

732
00:34:02,878 --> 00:34:05,078
Speaker 1: next year. But in the meantime, I'm Joe. I think umpires.

733
00:34:05,118 --> 00:34:07,158
Speaker 1: We have to look at umpires. They do a fantastic

734
00:34:07,238 --> 00:34:08,198
Speaker 1: job in today's game.

735
00:34:08,718 --> 00:34:11,678
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, one hundred percent. And let me leave you

736
00:34:11,718 --> 00:34:13,198
Speaker 3: with one thought on that one before you get there,

737
00:34:13,278 --> 00:34:16,478
Speaker 3: is like perfection. You're talking about perfection, right, Troy Gloss?

738
00:34:16,518 --> 00:34:19,718
Speaker 3: You remember Troy Glass, really good baseball player? Yeah, sure, Roy,

739
00:34:19,758 --> 00:34:22,198
Speaker 3: I called him, Roy, just drop the tee. Ray would

740
00:34:22,238 --> 00:34:24,838
Speaker 3: get upset sometimes and you get down on himself sometimes

741
00:34:25,238 --> 00:34:26,518
Speaker 3: and I'd walk up to him.

742
00:34:26,398 --> 00:34:27,198
Speaker 4: I'd tell him two things.

743
00:34:27,238 --> 00:34:31,918
Speaker 3: They said, only takes one at bat, one at bat

744
00:34:32,118 --> 00:34:35,838
Speaker 3: to have a great, great night. And number two, perfection

745
00:34:36,198 --> 00:34:39,958
Speaker 3: is a boring concept. Once the moment you arrive at perfection,

746
00:34:40,478 --> 00:34:42,598
Speaker 3: the game is not nearly as attractive.

747
00:34:42,878 --> 00:34:43,438
Speaker 4: I like that.

748
00:34:43,678 --> 00:34:45,958
Speaker 1: I got to keep that mind watching these umpires, but

749
00:34:46,038 --> 00:34:47,798
Speaker 1: I do have tremendous respect for them.

750
00:34:47,838 --> 00:34:48,638
Speaker 2: And it's interesting.

751
00:34:48,798 --> 00:34:52,438
Speaker 1: If you look at there's a website umpire scorecards. It's

752
00:34:52,478 --> 00:34:55,118
Speaker 1: not exact in terms of grading the umps, but it's close.

753
00:34:55,638 --> 00:34:57,358
Speaker 1: And I was looking the other day at the five

754
00:34:57,518 --> 00:35:01,438
Speaker 1: highest rated umpires and they're all under the age of

755
00:35:01,478 --> 00:35:02,118
Speaker 1: forty five.

756
00:35:02,398 --> 00:35:02,998
Speaker 4: Who are they?

757
00:35:03,438 --> 00:35:06,398
Speaker 1: Edwin that is is thirty two, Derek Thomas is thirty four,

758
00:35:06,958 --> 00:35:10,198
Speaker 1: Mark Ripperger is forty four, Junior Valentine is thirty seven,

759
00:35:10,278 --> 00:35:11,878
Speaker 1: and Dan Merzl is thirty seven.

760
00:35:12,638 --> 00:35:13,798
Speaker 2: It's not an accident to me.

761
00:35:13,918 --> 00:35:16,318
Speaker 1: These guys have grown up in terms of growing up,

762
00:35:16,398 --> 00:35:19,478
Speaker 1: in terms of training on a Hawkeye system and calling

763
00:35:19,518 --> 00:35:22,478
Speaker 1: the literal zone. It's no longer Hey, this is my game,

764
00:35:22,518 --> 00:35:23,798
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call my zone.

765
00:35:24,278 --> 00:35:24,998
Speaker 2: So they're being.

766
00:35:24,838 --> 00:35:27,878
Speaker 1: Graded and they have been graded their whole professional lives

767
00:35:27,918 --> 00:35:30,438
Speaker 1: that way, so they've been trained that way. And also

768
00:35:30,518 --> 00:35:33,398
Speaker 1: think just younger eyes and you know, they don't have

769
00:35:33,438 --> 00:35:36,238
Speaker 1: the injuries that let's face it, these if you've been

770
00:35:36,318 --> 00:35:39,198
Speaker 1: umpiring fifteen twenty twenty five years, you get banged up,

771
00:35:39,798 --> 00:35:43,598
Speaker 1: and I think just the dexterity and you know, being

772
00:35:43,638 --> 00:35:45,798
Speaker 1: able to get in proper position and all that stuff.

773
00:35:46,158 --> 00:35:49,638
Speaker 1: I think the younger umpires are basically trained better because

774
00:35:49,638 --> 00:35:50,838
Speaker 1: they've grown up in this system.

775
00:35:51,158 --> 00:35:51,958
Speaker 4: Rippinger's good.

776
00:35:52,078 --> 00:35:55,198
Speaker 3: I mean, among those five guys you mentioned Junior a

777
00:35:55,198 --> 00:35:57,918
Speaker 3: little bit, I saw him, but rip I've always been

778
00:35:57,958 --> 00:35:59,758
Speaker 3: a big fan of him, not only the fact that

779
00:35:59,798 --> 00:36:02,998
Speaker 3: he's so good as being an umpire, but you could

780
00:36:03,038 --> 00:36:05,758
Speaker 3: talk to this guy. Always felt he was the kind

781
00:36:05,758 --> 00:36:08,318
Speaker 3: of umpire that you could have a conversation with, disagree

782
00:36:08,358 --> 00:36:09,798
Speaker 3: with respectfully.

783
00:36:09,878 --> 00:36:11,278
Speaker 4: And you felt good about it.

784
00:36:11,278 --> 00:36:13,838
Speaker 3: There's certain guys that when they walk out that that

785
00:36:13,998 --> 00:36:16,398
Speaker 3: room and they come out to home play, you go

786
00:36:16,398 --> 00:36:20,998
Speaker 3: god dang or otherwise. Yes, You've always had that kind

787
00:36:20,998 --> 00:36:25,118
Speaker 3: of feeling when you saw the crew. One more point,

788
00:36:26,278 --> 00:36:28,638
Speaker 3: like you said about the individuality of umpires in the past.

789
00:36:28,678 --> 00:36:30,918
Speaker 3: We used to get heat maps that kind of what

790
00:36:30,958 --> 00:36:33,198
Speaker 3: you're referring to, and we would pass out the heat

791
00:36:33,238 --> 00:36:37,158
Speaker 3: maps of the each umpire before a series, and with

792
00:36:37,238 --> 00:36:39,598
Speaker 3: that a picture with good command and a catcher that

793
00:36:39,678 --> 00:36:42,478
Speaker 3: really can recall things you could set up according to

794
00:36:43,198 --> 00:36:46,798
Speaker 3: this umpire strike zone. He gave more on the outside edge,

795
00:36:46,838 --> 00:36:48,838
Speaker 3: not so much on the inside edge. You have to

796
00:36:48,838 --> 00:36:50,638
Speaker 3: know right in the hit or versut left handed pitcher

797
00:36:50,678 --> 00:36:54,518
Speaker 3: and vice versa. There was definite a morphic in essense,

798
00:36:54,718 --> 00:36:56,638
Speaker 3: they changed a lot, but you had to know these

799
00:36:56,638 --> 00:36:59,118
Speaker 3: things and if you stuck to them, you could gain advantages.

800
00:36:59,198 --> 00:37:00,718
Speaker 4: High ball umpire, low ball empire.

801
00:37:00,798 --> 00:37:03,198
Speaker 3: It was just like you're talking about, but it was

802
00:37:03,278 --> 00:37:05,918
Speaker 3: kind of interesting because it was part of your setup.

803
00:37:05,958 --> 00:37:07,758
Speaker 3: It was part of your pregame meeting, was to break

804
00:37:07,798 --> 00:37:08,518
Speaker 3: down the empire.

805
00:37:08,878 --> 00:37:10,038
Speaker 4: Well, where did he like the.

806
00:37:09,998 --> 00:37:12,958
Speaker 3: Pitches and how did he match up to your guy?

807
00:37:12,958 --> 00:37:14,718
Speaker 3: I got a sinker ball pitcher today and this guy

808
00:37:14,758 --> 00:37:17,398
Speaker 3: doesn't call it anything. Don god, It's like heads up,

809
00:37:17,398 --> 00:37:20,238
Speaker 3: here we go. So that was a part of the

810
00:37:20,318 --> 00:37:22,998
Speaker 3: landscape literally back then, where that was a part of

811
00:37:23,038 --> 00:37:23,878
Speaker 3: the pregame meeting.

812
00:37:23,958 --> 00:37:25,278
Speaker 4: The heat map on the empire.

813
00:37:25,678 --> 00:37:27,438
Speaker 2: I'm so glad those days are over.

814
00:37:27,558 --> 00:37:27,798
Speaker 4: Joe.

815
00:37:28,558 --> 00:37:30,638
Speaker 1: You know, I know you talked about the human element,

816
00:37:30,758 --> 00:37:33,478
Speaker 1: but they took it too far. I don't want umpires

817
00:37:33,518 --> 00:37:36,478
Speaker 1: determining the strike zone. I want that plate at home

818
00:37:36,518 --> 00:37:39,078
Speaker 1: plate to determine the strike zone. I don't want, you know,

819
00:37:39,158 --> 00:37:41,158
Speaker 1: a day game, after a night game, or a getaway

820
00:37:41,278 --> 00:37:44,638
Speaker 1: game to decide how tight or big the strike zone

821
00:37:44,678 --> 00:37:46,678
Speaker 1: is either. So I don't miss those days.

822
00:37:46,878 --> 00:37:49,078
Speaker 4: I'm with you. I'm not arguing for you.

823
00:37:49,198 --> 00:37:52,238
Speaker 1: Right hey, Joe, we're going to take a quick break.

824
00:37:52,238 --> 00:37:54,398
Speaker 1: I mentioned one third of the way through the season.

825
00:37:54,598 --> 00:37:57,678
Speaker 1: I want to talk about the biggest surprises of the year.

826
00:37:57,798 --> 00:37:59,838
Speaker 2: We're going to talk about that right after this.

827
00:38:12,678 --> 00:38:14,798
Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Book of Joe. Wrapping up with

828
00:38:14,918 --> 00:38:18,438
Speaker 1: the biggest surprises. Joe and I just wanted to stick

829
00:38:18,478 --> 00:38:20,438
Speaker 1: with teams in this regard here, and I'm going to

830
00:38:20,478 --> 00:38:23,438
Speaker 1: give you, in no particular order to me, one of

831
00:38:23,478 --> 00:38:25,758
Speaker 1: the biggest or some of the biggest surprises this year.

832
00:38:26,918 --> 00:38:29,518
Speaker 1: You can add to it, delete from it. I want

833
00:38:29,518 --> 00:38:31,478
Speaker 1: want to get your take. I'm gonna start with the

834
00:38:31,558 --> 00:38:35,318
Speaker 1: Chicago Cubs. I thought they'd be better. I didn't see

835
00:38:35,318 --> 00:38:37,958
Speaker 1: their offense like this. They are leading the major League

836
00:38:37,998 --> 00:38:42,158
Speaker 1: Baseball in run scored six runs per game. A big

837
00:38:42,198 --> 00:38:45,798
Speaker 1: part of that is Pete Crow Armstrong has gone from

838
00:38:45,798 --> 00:38:47,638
Speaker 1: a guy last year getting the bat knocked out of

839
00:38:47,638 --> 00:38:49,278
Speaker 1: his hands to being an impact hitter.

840
00:38:49,518 --> 00:38:51,358
Speaker 2: Of course, added Kyle Tucker.

841
00:38:51,438 --> 00:38:55,038
Speaker 1: They've got tremendous production from their catchers A Maya and

842
00:38:55,078 --> 00:38:58,758
Speaker 1: Carson Cubs scoring six runs a game. That's been a

843
00:38:58,798 --> 00:39:03,398
Speaker 1: big surprise for me. The Baltimore Orioles, on the negative side,

844
00:39:03,438 --> 00:39:06,278
Speaker 1: they basically played themselves out of contention in less than

845
00:39:06,278 --> 00:39:08,878
Speaker 1: two months. Didn't like that team coming into the season

846
00:39:08,918 --> 00:39:11,198
Speaker 1: because of the pitching. I didn't think they'd be nearly

847
00:39:11,238 --> 00:39:15,638
Speaker 1: this bad. Speaking of being this bad, the Colorado Rockies

848
00:39:15,758 --> 00:39:18,078
Speaker 1: one of three teams and fired their managers in the

849
00:39:18,118 --> 00:39:22,398
Speaker 1: month of May nine and forty five. Nine and forty five.

850
00:39:22,438 --> 00:39:24,238
Speaker 1: We didn't think anybody could be as bad as the

851
00:39:24,238 --> 00:39:27,678
Speaker 1: White Sox last year, and nobody has been historically. We

852
00:39:27,798 --> 00:39:30,558
Speaker 1: might get the answer this year. The Rockies just awful.

853
00:39:30,998 --> 00:39:33,158
Speaker 1: Don't see it getting better there. That's a team, by

854
00:39:33,158 --> 00:39:35,358
Speaker 1: the way, that I don't know how this happens when

855
00:39:35,398 --> 00:39:36,318
Speaker 1: you play in Colorado.

856
00:39:36,318 --> 00:39:37,518
Speaker 2: Their offense stinks.

857
00:39:37,758 --> 00:39:39,918
Speaker 1: Have the highest swing a miss rate in all of

858
00:39:39,998 --> 00:39:42,718
Speaker 1: baseball playing in just a dream of a hitter's park.

859
00:39:43,078 --> 00:39:45,158
Speaker 1: And finally, John going to give you the fact that

860
00:39:45,638 --> 00:39:48,758
Speaker 1: six teams reached a third way through the season. Six

861
00:39:48,798 --> 00:39:53,038
Speaker 1: teams playing six hundred baseball or better. This is a

862
00:39:53,158 --> 00:39:55,918
Speaker 1: very top heavy sport, like the bottom of the sport

863
00:39:56,118 --> 00:39:59,518
Speaker 1: is awful, and teams are racking up a ton of

864
00:39:59,558 --> 00:40:02,558
Speaker 1: wins against the back end of the teams in baseball,

865
00:40:02,598 --> 00:40:04,958
Speaker 1: So you got six teams ever happened before in the

866
00:40:04,958 --> 00:40:08,998
Speaker 1: wildcard era. Last year there was one team that finished

867
00:40:09,078 --> 00:40:10,798
Speaker 1: with six hundred baseball record.

868
00:40:11,118 --> 00:40:12,798
Speaker 2: This year we have six so far.

869
00:40:13,038 --> 00:40:16,278
Speaker 1: So it's a very bifurcated game to me, where you

870
00:40:16,358 --> 00:40:19,478
Speaker 1: have the elites and you know they have nots really

871
00:40:19,518 --> 00:40:22,958
Speaker 1: have nothing. I mean just when you play the White Sox,

872
00:40:23,118 --> 00:40:27,078
Speaker 1: the Marlins, the Orioles are starting to get into this group,

873
00:40:27,118 --> 00:40:29,558
Speaker 1: but you know the teams at the bottom, the Rockies,

874
00:40:29,558 --> 00:40:32,958
Speaker 1: you almost have to sweep those teams. So, just to

875
00:40:32,958 --> 00:40:35,238
Speaker 1: give you an example, from two thousand and six to thirteen,

876
00:40:35,278 --> 00:40:38,238
Speaker 1: an eight year period, there were only five teams total

877
00:40:38,438 --> 00:40:41,238
Speaker 1: that played six hundred baseball. We have six so far

878
00:40:41,318 --> 00:40:43,678
Speaker 1: this year. I don't expect that to last. That all

879
00:40:43,718 --> 00:40:46,678
Speaker 1: six are going to finish that high above or at

880
00:40:46,798 --> 00:40:49,158
Speaker 1: least that with a winning percentage of six hundred, but

881
00:40:49,198 --> 00:40:50,918
Speaker 1: certainly you're probably gonna get four or five.

882
00:40:51,238 --> 00:40:52,198
Speaker 2: So that's my take.

883
00:40:52,238 --> 00:40:54,758
Speaker 1: I get the Cubs, the Rockies, the Orioles, the top

884
00:40:54,798 --> 00:40:56,558
Speaker 1: of the market and the bottom of the market as

885
00:40:56,598 --> 00:40:58,878
Speaker 1: my biggest surprises from a team perspective.

886
00:40:58,958 --> 00:40:59,838
Speaker 2: One third of the way in.

887
00:41:00,158 --> 00:41:03,358
Speaker 3: Well, first with the Cubs, I've been watching the Armstrong

888
00:41:03,518 --> 00:41:05,998
Speaker 3: from what I gather and I've read, and I'm watching it.

889
00:41:06,238 --> 00:41:08,478
Speaker 3: He finally learned how to stay behind the ball.

890
00:41:08,638 --> 00:41:09,718
Speaker 2: That's it, exactly.

891
00:41:10,278 --> 00:41:11,398
Speaker 4: Watch watch him swing.

892
00:41:11,518 --> 00:41:14,678
Speaker 3: I mean every swing he takes, Man, he is behind

893
00:41:14,718 --> 00:41:17,838
Speaker 3: the baseball and that's where the pop is coming from.

894
00:41:17,918 --> 00:41:21,198
Speaker 3: And his confidence is sowing. He's already a wonderful outfielder.

895
00:41:21,198 --> 00:41:23,878
Speaker 3: He runs really well, he's got all the other tools

896
00:41:23,878 --> 00:41:26,598
Speaker 3: in the toolbox of it. Now, Wow, his confidence is

897
00:41:26,598 --> 00:41:30,438
Speaker 3: soaring so much. And give him credit. Whichever coach it

898
00:41:30,598 --> 00:41:33,638
Speaker 3: was that saw that thought about, that gave him that thought.

899
00:41:33,638 --> 00:41:35,918
Speaker 3: It's a thought, then it's a feel. Then it becomes

900
00:41:36,278 --> 00:41:40,398
Speaker 3: part of your game. And heads up, man, because there's

901
00:41:40,398 --> 00:41:42,198
Speaker 3: no reason he's gonna go bad at some point.

902
00:41:42,238 --> 00:41:43,638
Speaker 4: I know he swings a lot. I guess that was

903
00:41:43,678 --> 00:41:44,398
Speaker 4: part of the issue.

904
00:41:44,398 --> 00:41:46,758
Speaker 3: But listen, we just like we're talking about with Soto,

905
00:41:46,878 --> 00:41:48,918
Speaker 3: swing it, man, every pitch is you're pitched hit until

906
00:41:48,958 --> 00:41:49,398
Speaker 3: you say no.

907
00:41:49,638 --> 00:41:51,158
Speaker 4: He is the number one difference.

908
00:41:51,198 --> 00:41:54,118
Speaker 3: But I think he would not be as influential if

909
00:41:54,118 --> 00:41:55,758
Speaker 3: it wasn't for Tucker. I think Tucker is the guy

910
00:41:55,798 --> 00:41:58,478
Speaker 3: that really changes the whole attitude of this group. This

911
00:41:58,558 --> 00:42:00,078
Speaker 3: guy to me, like I've said, at the beginning of

912
00:42:00,118 --> 00:42:02,398
Speaker 3: the year, I thought he's right up there with Soto

913
00:42:02,638 --> 00:42:04,598
Speaker 3: or and I said I if I had a chance

914
00:42:04,638 --> 00:42:05,878
Speaker 3: to get either one of those two, I would take

915
00:42:05,878 --> 00:42:08,558
Speaker 3: Tucker over Soto. I think he's that good. I just

916
00:42:08,558 --> 00:42:11,158
Speaker 3: think he's that he's a complete baseball player. The guy

917
00:42:11,238 --> 00:42:14,238
Speaker 3: hits left, he's tough, and he's hitting two eighty two

918
00:42:14,358 --> 00:42:16,398
Speaker 3: ninety right now, and he's gonna He hasn't really hit

919
00:42:16,398 --> 00:42:19,038
Speaker 3: his stride yet, but he will. So it starts with

920
00:42:19,398 --> 00:42:22,638
Speaker 3: Tucker and then PA's really been the beneficiary in the

921
00:42:22,678 --> 00:42:24,838
Speaker 3: Suzuki all the other dudes, like you said, up and

922
00:42:24,838 --> 00:42:27,318
Speaker 3: down on line if they've gotten some great production. Baltimore,

923
00:42:27,638 --> 00:42:30,318
Speaker 3: I thought was going to be in the playoffs again

924
00:42:30,358 --> 00:42:33,838
Speaker 3: this year. Really disappointing. Like you've suggested, I know the

925
00:42:33,918 --> 00:42:36,438
Speaker 3: pitching is bad, but I watched them. There's there's like

926
00:42:36,598 --> 00:42:39,358
Speaker 3: a malaise about them. I think they they got behind

927
00:42:39,358 --> 00:42:41,318
Speaker 3: the eight ball so badly they didn't know what to do.

928
00:42:41,878 --> 00:42:43,638
Speaker 2: And eventually I like that point.

929
00:42:43,718 --> 00:42:46,878
Speaker 3: And then and Hyder. I love Brandon Hype.

930
00:42:46,918 --> 00:42:47,118
Speaker 4: I do.

931
00:42:47,158 --> 00:42:48,558
Speaker 3: I think he's that good of a baseball guy. I

932
00:42:48,598 --> 00:42:52,158
Speaker 3: hope he resurfaces again. But they they got so far back,

933
00:42:52,238 --> 00:42:55,758
Speaker 3: they just meant internally panicked. They just didn't know how

934
00:42:55,798 --> 00:42:58,198
Speaker 3: to get out of it. And they and then the Rockies.

935
00:42:58,238 --> 00:42:59,798
Speaker 3: The last time I had a I was on a

936
00:42:59,798 --> 00:43:02,118
Speaker 3: team like with a record like that was the seventy

937
00:43:02,118 --> 00:43:05,798
Speaker 3: three scrant And Red Sox and the Collegiate Baseball League.

938
00:43:05,798 --> 00:43:08,438
Speaker 3: Oh my god, it was awful. It's awful going to

939
00:43:08,478 --> 00:43:10,398
Speaker 3: the ballpark every day. You talk about not knowing what

940
00:43:10,478 --> 00:43:12,878
Speaker 3: to do. That they could hit a reset right now,

941
00:43:12,878 --> 00:43:14,598
Speaker 3: they would, They would just forfeit the rest of their

942
00:43:14,638 --> 00:43:17,158
Speaker 3: games and go to instructional league and just try to

943
00:43:17,598 --> 00:43:19,758
Speaker 3: you know, what could we do differently? And that's leads

944
00:43:19,798 --> 00:43:22,038
Speaker 3: to the next point, everybody trying to be the same.

945
00:43:22,078 --> 00:43:24,878
Speaker 3: That's there's the six hundred teams, and these teams have

946
00:43:24,958 --> 00:43:28,478
Speaker 3: a combination of I think the you know, the leadership,

947
00:43:28,478 --> 00:43:30,238
Speaker 3: their front office is really good. They got dough to

948
00:43:30,278 --> 00:43:33,238
Speaker 3: spend for the most part, and they don't miss the

949
00:43:33,318 --> 00:43:36,318
Speaker 3: evaluation wise they got they're able to evaluate. They got

950
00:43:36,318 --> 00:43:38,598
Speaker 3: the money to back up their theories, and their theories

951
00:43:38,638 --> 00:43:41,718
Speaker 3: are good, and they're able to utilize the analytical world

952
00:43:41,798 --> 00:43:43,678
Speaker 3: in a way that benefits them.

953
00:43:43,678 --> 00:43:46,958
Speaker 4: Now, the other groups, the groups in the subgroups.

954
00:43:46,478 --> 00:43:48,998
Speaker 3: Want to be like them, but they can't for a

955
00:43:49,038 --> 00:43:52,158
Speaker 3: variety of different reasons, whether it's the leadership, the way

956
00:43:52,198 --> 00:43:54,958
Speaker 3: players are evaluated, the way they go about their training,

957
00:43:54,998 --> 00:43:57,478
Speaker 3: the part of the game that they're emphasizing, and how

958
00:43:57,518 --> 00:44:00,398
Speaker 3: they're on a daily basis, how that's going to be

959
00:44:00,478 --> 00:44:03,318
Speaker 3: extracted from this group. What is demanded of them, what's

960
00:44:03,318 --> 00:44:06,518
Speaker 3: not demanded of them? All these things. I've said this

961
00:44:06,558 --> 00:44:09,918
Speaker 3: a couple of days ago in a different situation. You

962
00:44:10,038 --> 00:44:13,198
Speaker 3: cannot try to be like the Dodgers if you're the Rockies.

963
00:44:13,238 --> 00:44:16,918
Speaker 3: As an example, the Orioles were, China, go on that path,

964
00:44:17,318 --> 00:44:20,358
Speaker 3: Yankees and the well, the Red Sox can't even say

965
00:44:20,398 --> 00:44:23,278
Speaker 3: that anymore, but play your own game.

966
00:44:24,918 --> 00:44:26,678
Speaker 4: Everybody's tied to the same.

967
00:44:28,038 --> 00:44:31,718
Speaker 3: Methods in regards to the kind of data they're utilizing.

968
00:44:32,118 --> 00:44:34,798
Speaker 3: They talk so much. It's an acetual business. They talk

969
00:44:35,278 --> 00:44:37,878
Speaker 3: all the time among each other. I'm talking about front offices,

970
00:44:37,918 --> 00:44:40,358
Speaker 3: and it's more of a battle of front offices as

971
00:44:40,358 --> 00:44:42,278
Speaker 3: opposed to team on the field.

972
00:44:43,278 --> 00:44:44,078
Speaker 4: I want to see.

973
00:44:43,878 --> 00:44:46,878
Speaker 3: Somebody go rogue, a little bit rogue regarding how they

974
00:44:46,878 --> 00:44:50,918
Speaker 3: play the game. And I want to see more of

975
00:44:50,958 --> 00:44:56,358
Speaker 3: an attitude benefiting or benefiting from some past experiences and

976
00:44:56,478 --> 00:45:00,878
Speaker 3: not just fall in the air. Strikeouts are okay, try

977
00:45:00,878 --> 00:45:02,678
Speaker 3: to walk, spind the ball at the top of the zone.

978
00:45:03,158 --> 00:45:06,078
Speaker 3: I'd like to see more diversity, like okay, diversity within

979
00:45:06,118 --> 00:45:08,638
Speaker 3: how you're playing your game, because if you're not of

980
00:45:08,638 --> 00:45:11,558
Speaker 3: that ilk, if you are not the Dodgers to expect

981
00:45:11,598 --> 00:45:14,958
Speaker 3: on an annual basis to come back and be competitive

982
00:45:15,038 --> 00:45:18,438
Speaker 3: annually and not just have five hundred be your goal.

983
00:45:18,518 --> 00:45:21,358
Speaker 3: How disgusting or boring is that they have five hundred

984
00:45:21,358 --> 00:45:25,078
Speaker 3: be your goal. You have to think out outside the

985
00:45:25,078 --> 00:45:27,918
Speaker 3: proverbial box and what does that mean. I just like saying,

986
00:45:27,958 --> 00:45:30,238
Speaker 3: play the complete game. Don't be so tied down to

987
00:45:30,318 --> 00:45:33,198
Speaker 3: these the new mora's of like how are the games

988
00:45:33,198 --> 00:45:35,678
Speaker 3: supposed to be played? And be afraid to walk away

989
00:45:35,678 --> 00:45:38,558
Speaker 3: from that because you don't want to be this outlier

990
00:45:39,038 --> 00:45:41,638
Speaker 3: and just follow the tenets of what's being passed from

991
00:45:41,678 --> 00:45:42,438
Speaker 3: one group to the other.

992
00:45:42,678 --> 00:45:43,398
Speaker 4: That's what I see.

993
00:45:43,438 --> 00:45:47,118
Speaker 3: So these other groups, just circle your wagons, come up

994
00:45:47,158 --> 00:45:49,278
Speaker 3: with your own, your own plan, and don't try to

995
00:45:49,318 --> 00:45:52,198
Speaker 3: be like the Dodgers or try to be like the Rais.

996
00:45:52,638 --> 00:45:56,238
Speaker 3: Be like you, understand what you guys think is important

997
00:45:56,238 --> 00:45:57,638
Speaker 3: and play that game.

998
00:45:57,998 --> 00:46:00,878
Speaker 1: Well said, I mean, I talked about those six teams, Joe,

999
00:46:00,878 --> 00:46:05,438
Speaker 1: you're talking about to New York, one, Philly, one, Los

1000
00:46:05,478 --> 00:46:08,438
Speaker 1: Angeles one, Chicago and then Detroit.

1001
00:46:08,838 --> 00:46:11,398
Speaker 2: So the big markets are the big markets this year.

1002
00:46:11,598 --> 00:46:14,238
Speaker 3: Yeah, kick them in the shins. Kick him in the shins.

1003
00:46:15,678 --> 00:46:17,998
Speaker 3: The guy with the the lion's head coach, it's his

1004
00:46:18,078 --> 00:46:19,958
Speaker 3: name again, I'm sorry Campbell, Dan Campbell.

1005
00:46:19,958 --> 00:46:21,878
Speaker 4: When he first came in at his press conference, but I.

1006
00:46:21,878 --> 00:46:24,158
Speaker 3: Can't remember the exact but he pretty much said that,

1007
00:46:24,238 --> 00:46:25,638
Speaker 3: you know, we're not gonna we're not gonna cater to

1008
00:46:25,638 --> 00:46:28,318
Speaker 3: everybody else. Although he is a very analytical coach and

1009
00:46:28,358 --> 00:46:30,358
Speaker 3: he does rely on analytics to take chances, which I'm

1010
00:46:30,358 --> 00:46:33,518
Speaker 3: good because, after all, analytics do provide a safety and

1011
00:46:33,518 --> 00:46:37,398
Speaker 3: effort decision making always. But you can't try to play

1012
00:46:37,438 --> 00:46:40,558
Speaker 3: their game and expect to be successful, play your own.

1013
00:46:40,878 --> 00:46:41,438
Speaker 2: I like that.

1014
00:46:41,558 --> 00:46:43,158
Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna ask you to come up with our

1015
00:46:43,238 --> 00:46:44,838
Speaker 1: thought of the day. That was a good one, but

1016
00:46:44,918 --> 00:46:47,758
Speaker 1: I know you've got something locked and loaded that's even better.

1017
00:46:47,918 --> 00:46:49,078
Speaker 2: So what do you got?

1018
00:46:49,478 --> 00:46:52,678
Speaker 3: I guess it does apply. Steve DeMarco a friend of

1019
00:46:52,718 --> 00:46:55,038
Speaker 3: mine who runs golf tournaments. I'm going to play down

1020
00:46:55,078 --> 00:46:58,118
Speaker 3: in Nashville this weekend, the Tunnels of Tower tournament while

1021
00:46:58,158 --> 00:47:00,878
Speaker 3: the joiner he stearheads it down there. But anyway, he

1022
00:47:00,958 --> 00:47:04,678
Speaker 3: sends me. Steve sends me these daily quotes, and this

1023
00:47:04,718 --> 00:47:07,718
Speaker 3: one comes from Tuerky Guard, which gosh, this is like,

1024
00:47:07,798 --> 00:47:09,558
Speaker 3: you know, these dudes just sit around, they think of

1025
00:47:09,598 --> 00:47:10,758
Speaker 3: some great stuff all the time.

1026
00:47:10,798 --> 00:47:12,478
Speaker 4: But I love this.

1027
00:47:12,598 --> 00:47:17,558
Speaker 3: People demand freedom of speech as compensation for the freedom

1028
00:47:17,598 --> 00:47:22,118
Speaker 3: of thought, which they seldom use exactly what I'm use

1029
00:47:22,158 --> 00:47:25,278
Speaker 3: your You know, it's like everybody wants freedom of speech, great,

1030
00:47:25,598 --> 00:47:29,118
Speaker 3: and it's there in place of freedom of thought. Okay, good,

1031
00:47:29,158 --> 00:47:31,998
Speaker 3: I got my freedom of thought. But everybody wants group thing.

1032
00:47:32,198 --> 00:47:35,358
Speaker 3: Everybody wants to be like everybody else. My god, it

1033
00:47:36,078 --> 00:47:38,398
Speaker 3: really stands out to me as I watch a lot

1034
00:47:38,398 --> 00:47:44,278
Speaker 3: of whatever transpires around us, talking points, narratives to just

1035
00:47:44,438 --> 00:47:47,598
Speaker 3: driven to death because everybody seems to be afraid to

1036
00:47:47,678 --> 00:47:51,438
Speaker 3: use their own mind thought experience, reading, I mean, and

1037
00:47:51,478 --> 00:47:53,918
Speaker 3: reading means a lot. The books that you've read, what

1038
00:47:54,038 --> 00:47:56,838
Speaker 3: you've studied in the past, those are your thoughts come from,

1039
00:47:56,918 --> 00:48:00,278
Speaker 3: and of course your daily experiences. So I love that

1040
00:48:00,758 --> 00:48:03,798
Speaker 3: demand freedom of speech, and it's compensation for the free

1041
00:48:03,998 --> 00:48:05,158
Speaker 3: them of thought which.

1042
00:48:04,918 --> 00:48:06,558
Speaker 4: They sell them use.

1043
00:48:07,438 --> 00:48:11,438
Speaker 3: It was Soren what's his name, Soorren kirkerguard right anyway,

1044
00:48:12,118 --> 00:48:15,198
Speaker 3: echo chambers, get rid of them. We don't need echo chambers.

1045
00:48:15,278 --> 00:48:18,358
Speaker 3: Let's get some freedom of thought going on. Your Rocky's

1046
00:48:18,358 --> 00:48:19,918
Speaker 3: got to create your own game plan. How do you

1047
00:48:19,918 --> 00:48:23,078
Speaker 3: dig yourself out of this hole? Write it down, stick

1048
00:48:23,158 --> 00:48:25,278
Speaker 3: to it, and then be flexible with it the only

1049
00:48:25,358 --> 00:48:26,198
Speaker 3: way it's going to happen.

1050
00:48:26,438 --> 00:48:29,158
Speaker 1: I love that, and I'm sure jobeah it applies to

1051
00:48:29,238 --> 00:48:31,558
Speaker 1: running a baseball game as a manager. We talked about

1052
00:48:31,598 --> 00:48:34,878
Speaker 1: Steve Abbol walking shoe Otani. You know, I'm not sure

1053
00:48:34,918 --> 00:48:36,718
Speaker 1: he went in the game thinking he was going to

1054
00:48:36,758 --> 00:48:40,078
Speaker 1: do that, but in that blink moment, as you call it, yep,

1055
00:48:40,318 --> 00:48:42,558
Speaker 1: it was in his mind the right thing to do. Now,

1056
00:48:42,558 --> 00:48:45,118
Speaker 1: whether it turned out or not, I don't care, but

1057
00:48:45,198 --> 00:48:46,838
Speaker 1: I like the fact that he thought differently.

1058
00:48:47,158 --> 00:48:47,678
Speaker 4: I've listened.

1059
00:48:47,758 --> 00:48:52,198
Speaker 3: It's it's a decision he made and whether, like you said,

1060
00:48:52,198 --> 00:48:56,918
Speaker 3: whether it works or not according to the public perception

1061
00:48:56,998 --> 00:48:59,958
Speaker 3: of the general outcome, it was you. You did what

1062
00:48:59,998 --> 00:49:02,038
Speaker 3: your thought was the right thing to do in the moment,

1063
00:49:02,638 --> 00:49:05,878
Speaker 3: and you know there's the out Comebias is always right.

1064
00:49:06,798 --> 00:49:09,838
Speaker 4: But when you have to think in advance, in a

1065
00:49:09,878 --> 00:49:11,518
Speaker 4: hot moment that things.

1066
00:49:11,278 --> 00:49:14,438
Speaker 3: Are going rather quickly, and you've given it thought prior

1067
00:49:14,518 --> 00:49:16,918
Speaker 3: to And that's why I'm big on the prior to thought.

1068
00:49:16,958 --> 00:49:19,038
Speaker 3: I think, like I said, I would have had that

1069
00:49:19,118 --> 00:49:22,198
Speaker 3: thought in my head prior to the game. Sometimes it

1070
00:49:22,198 --> 00:49:24,958
Speaker 3: alects temporaneously occurred during the game, but more often than not,

1071
00:49:25,598 --> 00:49:29,438
Speaker 3: I would give that in advanced thought. And that's that's

1072
00:49:29,478 --> 00:49:31,438
Speaker 3: a big part of planning in the baseball game. And

1073
00:49:31,478 --> 00:49:35,478
Speaker 3: I would bet that voter had thought of that. And

1074
00:49:35,518 --> 00:49:37,518
Speaker 3: I'm all about it, man, I think that's great.

1075
00:49:37,518 --> 00:49:38,118
Speaker 2: Cool stuff.

1076
00:49:38,198 --> 00:49:40,918
Speaker 1: Joe, here comes June and the middle third of the

1077
00:49:40,958 --> 00:49:41,798
Speaker 1: season coming up.

1078
00:49:41,838 --> 00:49:43,158
Speaker 2: Can't believe where they're already.

1079
00:49:43,438 --> 00:49:45,678
Speaker 4: You got a brother. Yes, it's going to be interesting.

1080
00:49:45,718 --> 00:49:48,998
Speaker 3: It's going to get quicker and quicker and quicker. It's

1081
00:49:48,998 --> 00:49:51,318
Speaker 3: like a roll of toilet paper. The closer you get

1082
00:49:51,318 --> 00:49:52,638
Speaker 3: to the end, the faster it goes.

1083
00:49:52,878 --> 00:49:54,518
Speaker 2: We'll see you next time on the Book of Joe.

1084
00:49:54,798 --> 00:49:55,758
Speaker 4: All right, brother, thank you.

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