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Speaker 1: from the Chris Westling podcast studio. It's Around the NFL.
Speaker 1: Dan Hands is here with heroes Greg Rosenthal and Mark Sessler.
Speaker 1: I make a point to actually watch it on Sunday
Speaker 1: night with the wife. It's to get home, knock it
Speaker 1: out in the hay. That's what it's like. That's married, like,
Speaker 1: that's treating yourself. That is that's living right there. And
Speaker 1: I I want to say, and you know we are
Speaker 1: you know, we try to keep ourselves distanced from it,
Speaker 1: but the reality is is that we are employees of
Speaker 1: the National Football League. I mean there's you can't you
Speaker 1: can't get around that, like that's they Roger, He's the
Speaker 1: one sign of the paycheck, okay. And with that in mind,
Speaker 1: I think there's a responsibility two the audience. Uh. And
Speaker 1: that's the global audience, not just the end of around
Speaker 1: the NFL audience. UH, to to be upfront when we
Speaker 1: see something that a statement needs to be made based
Speaker 1: on the action today. So Ricky, can I get the
Speaker 1: miss of music? And this wasn't sanctioned by anyone above us, okay,
Speaker 1: but we're happy to hear it. I think you're he'll
Speaker 1: be okay, well, Greg will probably it's probably about Teddy
Speaker 1: Bridgewaters lack of a tackle now no, but we will
Speaker 1: get to that later in the show. Here at the
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Speaker 1: and we understand that we failed to clear that lofty
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna bear the brunt of a Sunday that did
Speaker 1: not deliver due to a host of blowouts. Somebody has
Speaker 1: to be just the game, okay. Was the game play
Speaker 1: in general? It was? I don't think this was like, uh,
Speaker 1: the best Sunday, but I I was. I'm not, you know,
Speaker 1: I am I'm an employee and I do pretty much
Speaker 1: what they asked For the most part. This feels a
Speaker 1: bit beyond but that's okay. I think Brian McCarthy will
Speaker 1: be cool that statement over there in NFL PR right.
Speaker 1: I mean I I wasn't sure where it was going.
Speaker 1: I was like, is this specifically from the Browns and
Speaker 1: that's why Mark has to apologize? Like, what is what's
Speaker 1: going on now? I thought it was pretty clear the state. Yeah,
Speaker 1: off the day you can apologize to me. I think
Speaker 1: you're saying that I should probably apologize on behalf of
Speaker 1: the league or shield the the issues. I said, any
Speaker 1: any other issues from the fans, right forward to them,
Speaker 1: Funnel it to Mark Sessler uh in his Twitter mentions,
Speaker 1: and then you'll handle any kind of the backlash. Just
Speaker 1: keep it, keep it in the public. It's like you
Speaker 1: need to have bad Sundays or you don't even know
Speaker 1: what a good Sunday is. It's like you need to
Speaker 1: have a tie at least once a season so you
Speaker 1: know how like great it is to have wins and
Speaker 1: losses and all the rest of the briskes. Feels like
Speaker 1: the guy that should be, you know, absorbing. What is
Speaker 1: the speaking of succession the Roys, they have this term
Speaker 1: everyone assemble assemble in the pod or something when they
Speaker 1: have to do some type of crisis management. I thought
Speaker 1: Greg just spun gold. There he would, but he would
Speaker 1: do well in that family based on what we've seen.
Speaker 1: So there you go. Give me the miss of music
Speaker 1: on more time then that. Now that we've recrafted and
Speaker 1: shifted the narrative, fans chill out, shell Ax, Bros and
Speaker 1: sis is Uh. If you didn't have bad weeks, you
Speaker 1: wouldn't truly enjoy the good ones. So you're welcome. See
Speaker 1: you next Sunday. Contrast, are fans angry about today? I
Speaker 1: feel like most fans, it's like if your team won,
Speaker 1: there you're happy. Not everyone Greg Gibson, your little road start.
Speaker 1: I just mean, I didn't know Patriots suddenly King. I
Speaker 1: didn't know there was an outcry against the week Ted.
Speaker 1: I hadn't heard anything about it yet. I I try
Speaker 1: to stay in tune my tweet deck app and to
Speaker 1: what the general vibe is of the football community. And
Speaker 1: you know, an underwhelming week. But enough, we've already we've
Speaker 1: released two statements. Already, the show is four minutes old.
Speaker 1: No more on the matter. That's what statements are for.
Speaker 1: They speak for the entire organization. And again, Brian McCarthy
Speaker 1: had a pr that was I got you, I handled it.
Speaker 1: All right, he's been busy. I worked in pr for
Speaker 1: a brief time in the mid aughts. O don't know.
Speaker 1: It wasn't really Now I'm working in it thanks to you.
Speaker 1: All Right. Today's Today's show is going to focus, of course,
Speaker 1: and all the games that were played on this highly
Speaker 1: controversial week ten. Uh. And there were some big blowouts
Speaker 1: and some unexpected blowouts, some expected, some stunning in nature.
Speaker 1: I would I would put the Patriots Browns affair in
Speaker 1: the stunning category personally. Uh. We'll get to that in
Speaker 1: a little bit, but let's start with the marquee matchup
Speaker 1: of the day. It was the CBS game of the
Speaker 1: week Late Sunday was supposed to be a shootout between
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson and Aaron Rodgers. It was anything but sniffed.
Speaker 1: Wilson off play action, deep drop, plenty of time, rainbows
Speaker 1: deep down the middle of the end side I tendor
Speaker 1: second pock by acred Amos run in. Spectacular play by US,
Speaker 1: spectacular play by the entire Green Bay Packers defense. And
Speaker 1: it's been that way for weeks now. Wayne Laravie with
Speaker 1: the A W T MJ. Aaron Rodgers returned to the
Speaker 1: line of victorious but it was that defense that played
Speaker 1: the starring role in the seven team nothing win over
Speaker 1: the Seahawks at lambeau Field. The Packers D permitted nothing
Speaker 1: to Russell Wilson in his possibly premature return to action.
Speaker 1: In fact, Seattle shut out in the game for the
Speaker 1: first time since w Wilson joined the team in two
Speaker 1: thousand twelve. Greg the pack D is on a heater.
Speaker 1: It's crazy because every week that they play better, they
Speaker 1: lose more great players, like during this game, Whitney Merciless,
Speaker 1: who I guess he hasn't been great this year, but
Speaker 1: he's come up uh and had an immediate role with
Speaker 1: the Packers. He gets hurt, that might be serious. Rashaan Gary,
Speaker 1: who's been their best pass rusher on balance, hurts his
Speaker 1: arm halfway through this game. It didn't look great. Well,
Speaker 1: we'll see how long he's out for. And yet they
Speaker 1: just keep rolling. They are so resourceful whatever whatever it
Speaker 1: is that winners have, Matt Lafleur's got it at this point,
Speaker 1: highest winning percentage in the history of the NFL UH
Speaker 1: in terms of coaches thirty four and eight. It's outrageous,
Speaker 1: and you just look at them and think they should
Speaker 1: and could be so much better this year than they
Speaker 1: have been so far, and yet they're eight and two.
Speaker 1: Like they're gonna get great players back, and I think
Speaker 1: they can play better on offense than they've had than
Speaker 1: they have and yet they're winning games against good teams
Speaker 1: and in games like this one going away. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it's this is a Packers team that I personally
Speaker 1: can really really get behind because they have not given
Speaker 1: up more than twenty two points since Week three, and
Speaker 1: yet they haven't scored thirty since Week three. They're winning
Speaker 1: in a different way than in years past, when you
Speaker 1: kind of trusted the the defense to crumble at some
Speaker 1: point when it mattered most down the stretch. They're doing
Speaker 1: it differently. I know this game was um, everyone thought
Speaker 1: it was gonna go, you know, right down to the
Speaker 1: bitter end, if not into overtime. I like a nice
Speaker 1: seventeen to nothing butt smack once in a while, because
Speaker 1: despite despite it adding to the week that you described, Dan, Yes,
Speaker 1: it kind of decisively separates two teams that I think
Speaker 1: once Russell Wilson copact like, oh this could go and
Speaker 1: go to either one of them. Actually, the Seahawks have
Speaker 1: a lot of issues and Russell Wilson alone. I think
Speaker 1: he's They're dead corner youth like a fork and I
Speaker 1: forked them because and I will be right because it
Speaker 1: was the you know, it was the right call at
Speaker 1: the time, and it's the right call now. And Russell Wilson,
Speaker 1: even if he improves with his little finger, is not
Speaker 1: gonna uh, he's not going to save them alone. Time
Speaker 1: is still on their side, although it's becoming less so
Speaker 1: as we go on and deeper into November, I'm still
Speaker 1: not willing to rule out the Seahawks making a playoff run.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it has to start soon, and it was
Speaker 1: supposed to start this week in Green Bay. UM. And
Speaker 1: before we turn the conversation over to Russell Wilson and
Speaker 1: whether he should have have been playing in this game
Speaker 1: because he was not good as good as uh the
Speaker 1: UH Packers were on defense, and they deserve Joe Barry
Speaker 1: and his defensive unit deserve all the credit they're getting, UH,
Speaker 1: considering they've held Ler Murray, Patrick Mahomes and now Wilson
Speaker 1: in the last three games to combine thirty four points.
Speaker 1: H Wilson was missing a ton of rose greg and
Speaker 1: it changed the entire game. Now, it went from it
Speaker 1: was bad enough Greg where I wondered and was being
Speaker 1: contributed a lot on the telecast to Rust, and I
Speaker 1: wondered if it was more like is his hand healthy?
Speaker 1: This guy that came back in four weeks on a
Speaker 1: six eight week injury. It was a pr assault upon
Speaker 1: us as we headed into this game on Sunday, and
Speaker 1: he looked like a guy that wasn't right physically. He
Speaker 1: missed a lot of throws, and I think Rust has
Speaker 1: to be part of it because his timing was off.
Speaker 1: But his timing is off and off. I mean, the
Speaker 1: whole point of Russell Wilson's career when it's going well,
Speaker 1: is not about timing. It's about him holding onto the
Speaker 1: ball forever and like making plays. And they keep changing
Speaker 1: their offensive coordinators to find one that makes the offense
Speaker 1: kind of go in rhythm, and it doesn't really happen.
Speaker 1: And I think he bears some blame for that. But
Speaker 1: Hi having one of the worst games of his entire
Speaker 1: career coming off that injury makes you point to the injury,
Speaker 1: even if Pete Carroll won't. He said it had nothing
Speaker 1: to do with his finger. He could have made all
Speaker 1: the throws. Uh, he was laid on throws and and
Speaker 1: some of them early at least felt like the speed
Speaker 1: of the game. Maybe he was not totally ready for that.
Speaker 1: And Tony Romo was ahead of that, thinking that that
Speaker 1: would be a major problem with for Russell, and they
Speaker 1: went heavy shotgun. I mean they that type team, but
Speaker 1: it was like to protect his finger. That does change,
Speaker 1: you know, your versatility on what you can do on
Speaker 1: some level. Right, he had one deep throw to Swam
Speaker 1: where normally you kind of expect him to put it
Speaker 1: out there and a little late on that throw. Definitely
Speaker 1: skied some balls, So it seemed like it was a
Speaker 1: little bit about the finger. I mean, Geno wouldn't get going,
Speaker 1: got shut out. I saw your tweet there. I'll leave
Speaker 1: it that. Russell Wilson said after the game of his
Speaker 1: repaired finger. That was not the factor. We can say
Speaker 1: whatever you want to say. It comes on my shoulder
Speaker 1: because I didn't fulfill those two plays referring to the
Speaker 1: two end zone interceptions. I guess this is just the
Speaker 1: way it works. And Russell Wilson could be frustrated, and
Speaker 1: Seahawks fans can be annoyed that people are gonna focus
Speaker 1: in and hone in on his struggles in this game,
Speaker 1: but he made I'm not gonna say he made it
Speaker 1: about himself and made it a bigger story than it
Speaker 1: needed to be. But when it's built up the way
Speaker 1: it was. And I happened to switch on espn S
Speaker 1: pregame show briefly this morning, and I saw, like, I
Speaker 1: don't know if it was stage or a reenactment, but
Speaker 1: it was like Russell Wilson learning from the doctor in
Speaker 1: the office that you're gonna be out eight weeks and
Speaker 1: him making like a very pensive, serious face, and I
Speaker 1: couldn't even tell if it was real or not. And
Speaker 1: I was just like, Okay, I gotta check out of
Speaker 1: this because I can't take any more of this stuff.
Speaker 1: Uh rap sheet referring to Russell Wilson as Wolverine and
Speaker 1: because of his quick healing abilities, all that stuff like
Speaker 1: being funneled our way and then this performance happening. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just kind of a it's kind of an extreme
Speaker 1: of two things it is. It's also it says a
Speaker 1: lot about the whole Seahawks team, whose defense also has
Speaker 1: been better. This is there was some weather in this
Speaker 1: game as well. Dan, I don't really view you as
Speaker 1: the target audience for Russell Wilson messaging over the years.
Speaker 1: But who is everyone kind of you either? I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I am. I will see through it
Speaker 1: with him, though, there is something about him that even
Speaker 1: even you're I just think there is. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: not striking out with one of viewers. There are people
Speaker 1: that find that kind of stuff. Uh, they see you differently.
Speaker 1: I'm with you in the camp. I'm not maybe like
Speaker 1: as because you I'd say, I'd say I'm not as
Speaker 1: like locked onto this as you are. But you whenever
Speaker 1: he releases any sort of statement, I think he's the
Speaker 1: funniest person in the world. Um. By the way, we
Speaker 1: watch here in the office, we have the truck feed
Speaker 1: the Rashaan Gary injury. While you guys are watching the commercial.
Speaker 1: I saw the replay that was so gnarly that when
Speaker 1: they got back Jim naces like, we decided not to
Speaker 1: show the injury because how bad it looked. It was gross.
Speaker 1: The other big injury, Aaron Jones sustains an mc l
Speaker 1: injury in this game. Um he did. He had tears
Speaker 1: in his eyes. Uh, he sat on the bench, was
Speaker 1: ruled out quickly. Um, we'll see how long he's out.
Speaker 1: But it should be noted that A. J. Dillon ran
Speaker 1: the ball extremely well. Uh, he's been doing that for
Speaker 1: weeks this season. But he looks like a guy who
Speaker 1: could step in and the Packers won't lose much because
Speaker 1: he has that ability. That fifty yard catch and rumble
Speaker 1: that he had down the stretch. A J. Dillon Dan
Speaker 1: And I noticed this. I love the way he dresses.
Speaker 1: He looks like um when they did a bad job
Speaker 1: with action figures back when the action figures were a thing,
Speaker 1: and they'd make like a regular looking Joe super musty.
Speaker 1: But he looks insanely muscley. He is. He is the
Speaker 1: biggest running back in the NFL. He looks good with
Speaker 1: the big shoulder pads and every Yeah, he looks like
Speaker 1: an eighties guy. And I thought he was the difference
Speaker 1: offensively for them today because there was a key I
Speaker 1: can't remember if it was third and one or fourth
Speaker 1: and one, but a key point in the in uh
Speaker 1: one of the scoring drives where he broke through a
Speaker 1: tackle where he was hit in the backfield, ends up
Speaker 1: picking up that first down to keep the drive going,
Speaker 1: and that's how he got one of those other touchdowns. Too.
Speaker 1: I mean, as much as this feels like a blowout,
Speaker 1: was three nothing in the fourth quarter, like this thing
Speaker 1: was still up for doubt. And Bobby, he's when you're
Speaker 1: dragging Bobby Wagner into the ends on your batman, Yeah
Speaker 1: you are. And one good note for the Seahawks, Jamal
Speaker 1: Adams got his interception. Yeah, he played a great game.
Speaker 1: He's very active. Suggested that Wish felt it was coming,
Speaker 1: and he got that. I n T. The man's got
Speaker 1: glue on his hands. All right, let's move on to
Speaker 1: oh Man. We gotta get the grave digger on the
Speaker 1: headset because the Titans keep Titans have to win one
Speaker 1: play from the seven to maintain their lead. Simmy and
Speaker 1: takes this down fired right side receiver not looking and
Speaker 1: it is in complete and complete. My key. We're hearing
Speaker 1: a lot from my key this season. W g f X.
Speaker 1: The Titans defense meant, but did not break. On Sunday
Speaker 1: in Nashville, Tennessee surrendered a late toch down past the
Speaker 1: Trevor Simeons, but got that stop on the ensuing two
Speaker 1: point conversion from the seventh. By the way, bad bad,
Speaker 1: bad ball start put the Saints in a bad spot
Speaker 1: one was the final. With the win, the Titans become
Speaker 1: the second NFL team to win five straight games over
Speaker 1: playoff teams from the season before. WHOA. Tennessee is also
Speaker 1: seven and oh overall against playoff teams this season, and
Speaker 1: they get a well deserved lay up next week against
Speaker 1: the Texans. So uh, the number one team in the
Speaker 1: a f c UM. They battled here again, they did
Speaker 1: not really ball out on offense, uh. And it should
Speaker 1: be a couple of things here. Of course, Derrick Derrick
Speaker 1: Henry is out, but also Ryan Tannehill woke up ill
Speaker 1: UH with I what I believe it was like a
Speaker 1: stomach bug, so he was less than physically. And yet
Speaker 1: they score enough points, get the stops they need, and yes,
Speaker 1: get some breaks from game officials, uh, particularly on an
Speaker 1: egregiously bad roughing the passer call that wiped out a
Speaker 1: Tannehill interception in the end zone by the Saints, and
Speaker 1: then a few plays later, Uh Tennessee punched it in
Speaker 1: for seven. So when you factor in that, and again
Speaker 1: we gotta make those plays reviewable. When you factor in that,
Speaker 1: the Saints miss two more extra points in this game,
Speaker 1: and then the false start failed followed by the failed
Speaker 1: two point conversion. You can understand why Sean Payton wasn't
Speaker 1: a great mood when asked about, uh, the phantom roughing
Speaker 1: the passer? That should that served as a major swing
Speaker 1: point in this game. Let's listening. No explanation, There wasn't
Speaker 1: an explanation. What do you want me to say? You
Speaker 1: want my opinion on it? No, no opinion on it.
Speaker 1: The Saints outgained the Titans three seventy three to two
Speaker 1: sixty four, but grave digger. They still found a way
Speaker 1: and they're doing it every week. That's what good teams do,
Speaker 1: six wins in a row if they going to run
Speaker 1: like this. In January, they're playing back in Los Angeles again.
Speaker 1: Look at you, You're on fire. You're feeling it. I
Speaker 1: feel good about this team right now. It feels like
Speaker 1: everything that happens from here on out is just like
Speaker 1: getting ready for the playoffs. Keep players healthy, get guys
Speaker 1: back healthy. They are getting somewhat healthier. Christian Fulton was
Speaker 1: back but then but Duprie left the game early with
Speaker 1: an abdominal strain, and who knows who his status will be.
Speaker 1: Julio Jones is on I R again, so who knows
Speaker 1: how long he'll be out, But does any of it
Speaker 1: matter until the until the playoffs started for this team,
Speaker 1: because getting the one seed is a playoff game essentially.
Speaker 1: And losing Julio in the very week that he was
Speaker 1: off the injury report for the first time since it
Speaker 1: was crazy like he was finally healthy and he literally
Speaker 1: got hurt the next day at practice and now he's
Speaker 1: out for a minimum of three weeks. And I think
Speaker 1: that's a killer injury for them, because losing Henry is
Speaker 1: one thing. But I think it would work. It works
Speaker 1: okay off nsively, if you've got the two guys outside
Speaker 1: A J. Brown was facing double coverage throughout this game,
Speaker 1: ends up with one catch sixteen yards. I hear what
Speaker 1: you're saying, Grave Digger. They're resourceful enough they'll probably win.
Speaker 1: Looking at their schedules, Patriots are the only team other
Speaker 1: than the Stealers record the rest of the way. They'll
Speaker 1: get enough wins and maybe they get that one seed.
Speaker 1: But it's gonna be hard to be a good team
Speaker 1: offensively without Julio and Henry at the same teme. But
Speaker 1: what Greg just said, we'll be put into some sort
Speaker 1: of you know, online headline because everyone and I've done
Speaker 1: this like twelve times. Keep finding the reason the Titans
Speaker 1: will be knocked down a peg at some point doesn't
Speaker 1: happen because you could get to your just being the
Speaker 1: one seed matters? Is it absolutely does? But what what's
Speaker 1: they are saying we're the one seed right now that
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter what happens to and you we've seen
Speaker 1: the hundred times good teams find a way to get
Speaker 1: over these hurdles over and over and you could theoretically
Speaker 1: get out of your bye week help much health than
Speaker 1: they are right now. Julio back soon after that. It's
Speaker 1: not like Julio has torn the world down for them
Speaker 1: either to say that, like he's always been a big
Speaker 1: addition to them in theory ever since the offseason, and
Speaker 1: then this whole year he's given them basically nothing. I
Speaker 1: think I could think of one game maybe where he
Speaker 1: was really a difference maker. And so you lose him,
Speaker 1: But what you do need because if Julio Jones is
Speaker 1: just not going to be the guy that they need
Speaker 1: him to be, if Derrick Henry is going to be
Speaker 1: out until January, in the best case scenario, you do
Speaker 1: need somebody else to step up. So here comes Marcus Johnson,
Speaker 1: for instance, he had five for a hundred on six
Speaker 1: targets in this game. You're gonna need contributions, um in
Speaker 1: places you didn't expect. I think that's the only thing.
Speaker 1: The last thing I'll say in terms of doubting Tennessee
Speaker 1: is I don't think it's sustainable to be, you know,
Speaker 1: two h fifty yards a game on offense. Uh, even
Speaker 1: if you can beat up on bad teams for a while,
Speaker 1: that's gonna come back to haunt you unless you could
Speaker 1: build out some more dimension to your offense. That is true,
Speaker 1: And I will say the last two games they've played
Speaker 1: have been against pretty good defenses. The Saints are really
Speaker 1: good defense, obviously, the Rams are and they have the
Speaker 1: Patriots defense in a couple of weeks, which is also
Speaker 1: a really good defense, and the Steelers later the year.
Speaker 1: But other than that, the defenses they play are not
Speaker 1: very good the rest of the season. So I think
Speaker 1: you could see the Titans offense getting back on track
Speaker 1: and learning how to manufacture yards without Derrick Henry, which
Speaker 1: they I mean, they're in these last two games rushing
Speaker 1: under seventy yards in both games. The Titans hadn't won
Speaker 1: a game with that few rushing yards in like fifteen
Speaker 1: years or something before last week, so I don't remember
Speaker 1: the exact stat, but it's spent years and then on
Speaker 1: the same side. Before we move on, I just want
Speaker 1: to say that I thought Trevor Simeon played pretty well
Speaker 1: in this game. Mark Ingram had a lot of juice
Speaker 1: in Alvin Kamara's spot, but it's you know, they were
Speaker 1: missing three key starters on offense, and they need Kamara
Speaker 1: to be back on this field to give him that
Speaker 1: added dimension. Tray Kuon Smith had a bad drop uh
Speaker 1: in this game. So you know, the Saints I think
Speaker 1: are gonna be okay, but they're going through a little
Speaker 1: They're going through it a little bit right now. Greg.
Speaker 1: They're five and four oh and two since uh they
Speaker 1: lost uh James Winston, so they're a team to keep
Speaker 1: an eye on what happens next. I am amazed this
Speaker 1: game was as close as it was. You're down twenty twelve,
Speaker 1: ten minutes to go in Tennessee, and Trevor Simeon gets
Speaker 1: him back in a position to win if it wasn't
Speaker 1: for those you know, miss extra points and you got
Speaker 1: a penalty from Adam Troutman, who is like public enemy
Speaker 1: number one with Saints fans in general. Sets up like
Speaker 1: a two point conversion from the seven yard line, like
Speaker 1: Simeon is playing. Well, I feel like this game, you know,
Speaker 1: out gaining the type. I know they lost the game
Speaker 1: like this should be um uh more support for Sean
Speaker 1: Payton winning Coach of the year, like them putting together
Speaker 1: this many yards with this group of players. As why
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I mean, he seems extremely grumpy based
Speaker 1: on his soundclip, but the whole press conference was wild.
Speaker 1: He was out of it right. I mean, it makes
Speaker 1: that Falcons lost a week ago doubly hurt because like
Speaker 1: that they couldn't let that thing go. But Mark Ingham,
Speaker 1: by the way, is the leading rustaurant in the history
Speaker 1: of the New Orleans Saints became that today. So even
Speaker 1: if he's just there for this chunk of season, it
Speaker 1: was very good, very good. And uh, what is an
Speaker 1: eight winning percentage? Good? Sure, because that's the Zeuser after
Speaker 1: ten weeks in the Locks because I locked up the Titans,
Speaker 1: I set up sethler on, that got up. Let's move on.
Speaker 1: Well it's factual. What am I gonna say? No pounds?
Speaker 1: Three time pro bowler Cam Newton McCaffrey swings out of
Speaker 1: the backfield, Why to the right, Newton's gonna run right
Speaker 1: in the grass, breaks a tackle. Everybody touchdown right side,
Speaker 1: first play a touchdown. Cam Newton was active and advantage
Speaker 1: for him for the Panthers on Sunday, throwing for a touchdown,
Speaker 1: running for another, and sparking Carolina to a thirty four
Speaker 1: to ten win over the Cardinals, who were played shorthanded.
Speaker 1: In sure looked like it in this one. Greg Rosen
Speaker 1: thought a statement victory for Carolina and for Cam and
Speaker 1: he sent the message to the rest of the end
Speaker 1: fell hey here in this moment. It was a lot
Speaker 1: and uh, if nothing else happens, uh positive for the
Speaker 1: Panthers this year. At least they had this, and I
Speaker 1: expect them to matter, uh moving forward with Cam Newton.
Speaker 1: But just to imagine that this was possible, like a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago would have would have blown. I
Speaker 1: might to keep it in perspective. He had eight yards
Speaker 1: you know, passing. He threw the ball four times in
Speaker 1: fourteen yards rushing. They won this game because p. J.
Speaker 1: Walker was good enough, moved the ball and the defense
Speaker 1: was dominant. But what Cam Newton brings other than obviously
Speaker 1: some short yardage chops and he'll take over that starting
Speaker 1: job soon soon enough. Was energy. I guess I gotta like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I gotta believe like Christian McCaffrey and Hassan Reddick, who
Speaker 1: both said the energy before the game and giving Cam
Speaker 1: Newton credit, you know for a big part of that
Speaker 1: was unlike anything he had ever seen, was what Hassan
Speaker 1: Reddick said, and mcca affrey Wood said like this was
Speaker 1: just like a wild um feeling from the team. They
Speaker 1: were so hyped for this game. Reddick, of course a
Speaker 1: former cardinal too. You're not gonna give Cam all the
Speaker 1: credit for just like off field stuff, but that is
Speaker 1: part of what he brings to you is a guy
Speaker 1: that like everyone has hyped to play with, and they
Speaker 1: just destroyed. Arizona was over quickly, you could tell. I.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was the first or the
Speaker 1: second touchdown, but McCaffrey and all the other Panthers just
Speaker 1: swarmed Cam. And I think one thing to make clear,
Speaker 1: because I saw somebody on Twitter Panthers fan. They weren't
Speaker 1: They were cool about it, but they were like, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, you were really burying the Panthers about what
Speaker 1: what's been happening with the quarterback situation? Like you don't
Speaker 1: understand the Panthers fans were excited about this, and I
Speaker 1: was like, this had nothing to do any criticism about
Speaker 1: the Panthers was about the organization. If I'm a fan
Speaker 1: of the Panthers and I grew up on Cam Newton,
Speaker 1: this is awesome. This is completely unexpected, and now he's
Speaker 1: pumping He's back on your team and pumping fresh life
Speaker 1: into a season that felt like it was a deflating balloon.
Speaker 1: Mark Cecil, Yeah, I mean for their fan I've heard
Speaker 1: from some too. I couldn't agree with you more. And Matt,
Speaker 1: this is not the plan at all. That Matt rule.
Speaker 1: If you think it was weird for you, Matt Rule
Speaker 1: probably feels like twelve days ago. I had no idea
Speaker 1: this is where I'd be either. But why not? I
Speaker 1: mean totally why not? And whether you're into the Cam
Speaker 1: Newton experience, the overall one or not, I'm somewhere in
Speaker 1: the middle on it. Um it is. It is interesting
Speaker 1: to me that it's happening. Well, no, because it's look
Speaker 1: like honestly, they were in such a dark place and
Speaker 1: you have to look at like for the for the
Speaker 1: Sam Donald business, like you've never thought, oh well, Sam Donald,
Speaker 1: if anything, is gonna bring intense energy to the locker room.
Speaker 1: There's been a void of that at quarterback, and so
Speaker 1: that can change things. Yeah, I think Donald and I
Speaker 1: love Sam Donald. It's sad what's happened with his career, um,
Speaker 1: but he's never been like some type of dynamic leader
Speaker 1: of men. And Cam is like a guy who's just
Speaker 1: got like he's dripping with charisma. So like all these things,
Speaker 1: you it makes sense why the organization like it was
Speaker 1: such a shot in the arm, and it also like
Speaker 1: makes you think. And I know, once we see Cam
Speaker 1: playing and you're gonna get a better idea of who
Speaker 1: he is now compared to where he was five or
Speaker 1: six years ago. He's not the same player anymore. But
Speaker 1: he probably should have been on a team of two
Speaker 1: months ago. I think he wanted to start, you know,
Speaker 1: and there weren't opportunities to start. And now now now
Speaker 1: there is one and he's getting paid well for you know,
Speaker 1: I think he'll get a little more juice in his
Speaker 1: legs as it comes. But he was a great goal
Speaker 1: line runner and he was a very good runner in general.
Speaker 1: He brings that, you know, element to the table. I
Speaker 1: mean last year in New England. Like, we don't need
Speaker 1: to project how he's gonna be helping them in the
Speaker 1: red zone. With McCaffrey, who had a really nice game overall.
Speaker 1: He did go out with a head injury briefly, but
Speaker 1: they said after the game he's totally fine. He'll be
Speaker 1: good for next week. All this said, it's like they
Speaker 1: won because their defense, you know, bum rush cult McCoy.
Speaker 1: I mean the first almost the first play of the game,
Speaker 1: Hassan Reddick uh forces a fumball on McCoy, who also
Speaker 1: throws an interception later in the first quarter. It was
Speaker 1: a two touched on lead at that point. And this
Speaker 1: Panthers defense, I know, they're not like amazing each and
Speaker 1: every week against some great competition, but when Shack Thompson
Speaker 1: has been on the field, and he was everywhere today again,
Speaker 1: they've been pretty special. They've been one of the best
Speaker 1: defenses in the league. They're five and five. They are
Speaker 1: in the playoffs if it ended today. I know that
Speaker 1: doesn't mean anything, but they are in that ugly NFC mix,
Speaker 1: and I think with the defense that good, they'll probably
Speaker 1: stay in that mix until the end. They're totally relevant
Speaker 1: and it you know, it pains me to say it,
Speaker 1: but the backup experience, the backup quarterback experience, because I
Speaker 1: think we all like kind of super fall for these
Speaker 1: dudes for for the week after they succeed. And I
Speaker 1: was totally viable on the Cult McCoy front to do that,
Speaker 1: But it's the Mike White experience. You love these guys
Speaker 1: rising up out of nowhere, and it kind of reminds
Speaker 1: us of like if we were thrown into a lineup
Speaker 1: in our deep fantasies. I mean, it would be much worse.
Speaker 1: But you know, it just doesn't last two doesn't last
Speaker 1: two weeks in a row. You're the other shoe always,
Speaker 1: That's what. And Colt McCoy and any other guy Mike
Speaker 1: White their competitors, so they want to be out there.
Speaker 1: But in truth, the best thing for their careers would
Speaker 1: be just to have the game and then disappear again.
Speaker 1: But I think Cold, you know, Cold brought another two
Speaker 1: to three seasons with last week. He'll be all right.
Speaker 1: It's a big loss, though, you know, the Rams are
Speaker 1: still coming up on Monday Night, but now they you know,
Speaker 1: can tie in terms of the one seed. The Packers
Speaker 1: are now tied with the Cardinals. Obviously they lose, they
Speaker 1: have the tiebreakers, so they're they're even ahead of them.
Speaker 1: They're like, these games do matter. It sounded like Kyler
Speaker 1: Murray was close to plane, but between him and Nuke,
Speaker 1: I mean, they have been They are missing a lot
Speaker 1: of guys in general. Chase Edmonds like they've survived, but
Speaker 1: they need to get those guys back now. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what it's been. It's not easy, uh, suffering through
Speaker 1: a loss like this. But I like what the Cardinals
Speaker 1: are doing here because I think they saw what happened
Speaker 1: last year when they try to rush back Tyler to
Speaker 1: save the season, and it ended up kind of submarining
Speaker 1: the season. Even if it's gonna cost you a game
Speaker 1: or two and they're one and one now without these
Speaker 1: two guys, it will help you in the long run.
Speaker 1: Hopefully those guys are back to be one and one.
Speaker 1: It's not it's not. I bet they would have. They
Speaker 1: would never admit to it, because you never admit all,
Speaker 1: I'll lose. That's fine. They would sign up for one
Speaker 1: and one without two games without Nuke and Kyler. All right,
Speaker 1: let's h We're gonna get the pipe rattling around in here.
Speaker 1: Right after the break, Heineken steps up throws to the
Speaker 1: corner of the adults, got Carter caught, touchdown, DeAndre Carter
Speaker 1: touchdown parts from Taylor heide Key, Brad Weinstein with a
Speaker 1: call for w T E. M. Tom Brady picked off
Speaker 1: twice in this first six throws in the Bucks. We're
Speaker 1: in trouble because Tyler Heineke was on target during a
Speaker 1: clock sling nineteen play drive that's sealed a nineteen upset,
Speaker 1: huge upset by Washington over the champs. Yes, I said
Speaker 1: it before, shook the pipe piece here and chook. This
Speaker 1: is how it goes in our league. If you don't
Speaker 1: show up ready to play, you'll get embarrassed by anybody.
Speaker 1: And we saw that today. Yeah, if you sleep walk
Speaker 1: out of the pie week directly to the nation's capital,
Speaker 1: you'll get caught. And the Buccaneers got caught extremely early.
Speaker 1: Tom Brady being one of them, a guy who was
Speaker 1: typically really good out of the bye week, was not
Speaker 1: really good today and and helped the Buccaneers dig themselves
Speaker 1: a thirteen point hole. Really before they knew what had happened.
Speaker 1: It was really in the second quarter, they were down
Speaker 1: thirteen nothing and had to fight their way back and
Speaker 1: and for the first time probably this entire season, we
Speaker 1: saw a little bit of the Washington defense we thought
Speaker 1: we were going to see all season based on what
Speaker 1: we saw last year, even after losing Chase Young to
Speaker 1: an injury that sounds pretty serious. They were They were tough,
Speaker 1: they were gritty, They forced turnovers um, They didn't get
Speaker 1: beat on big plays for the majority of the game.
Speaker 1: They did on pass to Mike Evans that made things
Speaker 1: tight late. But then Heinekey responds and the offense response.
Speaker 1: Terry McLaurin comes back from a collarbone injury that had
Speaker 1: cost him a little bit of time earlier. They go
Speaker 1: on this UH drive that lasts over ten minutes, and
Speaker 1: then Riverboat Ron comes out, goes for it on fourth
Speaker 1: and goal from the one, gives it to Antonio Gibson.
Speaker 1: Ball game UH and a stunning victory for a Washington
Speaker 1: team that has been extremely well, more down than up,
Speaker 1: but definitely up and down the season. That Riverboat had
Speaker 1: been parked um on River's edge for a number of
Speaker 1: years there, but glad to see it back out on
Speaker 1: the waters and and that they're gonna need to keep
Speaker 1: doing that because we learned this morning before the game
Speaker 1: that Ryan Fitzpatrick is not expected to return this season,
Speaker 1: something that does not surprise Greg Normark. No, right, well,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that Greg and I were saying we
Speaker 1: thought that he basically was soft selling this into an
Speaker 1: early retall know you too, but also Dan, I mean
Speaker 1: thought about Yeah, they were. They were saying his hip,
Speaker 1: Like the report on it was funny that they did
Speaker 1: a follow up m R I and none of it
Speaker 1: was good. And he's back on crutchers. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: an older guy coming off a hip injury, and I
Speaker 1: don't even know if you would want to go back
Speaker 1: to him right now. Not that Taylor Heineke has played well,
Speaker 1: but this is just like the team you have and
Speaker 1: you just pulled off one of the drives of the
Speaker 1: season to to get a ten minute drive against the
Speaker 1: Bucks to win the game nineteen plays eighty yards to
Speaker 1: seal it that it doesn't really get any better than that.
Speaker 1: To do it against the Bucks run defense, uh, is amazing.
Speaker 1: It's one of the most surprising results and the longest
Speaker 1: drive of the campaign for an insult to injury for
Speaker 1: the Bucks on the last play of that drive, Vita Vea,
Speaker 1: who is so important to what they do in their
Speaker 1: front for the nose tackle, got carded off, uh with injury.
Speaker 1: And uh, that's a bad one to show, because we
Speaker 1: we saw they lost them last year and they felt
Speaker 1: his absence a year ago as well. Yeah, and we
Speaker 1: saw how effectively was earlier in this season. There was
Speaker 1: multiple games that they played earlier this year where Vita
Speaker 1: was destroying any offensive lineman he was faced up against,
Speaker 1: to the point where it was causing serious problems for
Speaker 1: opposing passers every time they dropped back because they had
Speaker 1: a man in their face on every snap. And so
Speaker 1: you know, this defense has not really played up to
Speaker 1: par in the last few weeks to begin with, and
Speaker 1: especially in this game today. Uh, and losing a guy
Speaker 1: like that, that takes away a strengthen the interior. Not
Speaker 1: that the that Washington ran the ball well today because
Speaker 1: they didn't. But teams in the future are going to
Speaker 1: be able to find more success up the middle, which
Speaker 1: is going to put more Onnest in the rest of
Speaker 1: the defense to perform. And right now they're already not
Speaker 1: performing at a level that you want them too, that
Speaker 1: you expect of a defending Super Bowl champion that looked
Speaker 1: really good about a month ago and lately not so much.
Speaker 1: I mean, they also are down four corners and they
Speaker 1: lost two during this game. So I am struck by
Speaker 1: the difference of how they came out of the bye
Speaker 1: week last year, you know, they go undefeated after that
Speaker 1: and win a Super Bowl, and how they come out
Speaker 1: of the bye week this year an injury plague. Season
Speaker 1: gets more, uh, injury plagued, and Brady after the game
Speaker 1: is just he's dying, and I you know, everyone likes
Speaker 1: going to kind of pile on that he's not a
Speaker 1: good sport. And I just think of that Bill Parcels,
Speaker 1: you know, quote about how he says like, as you
Speaker 1: get older, the losses are so much tougher than the
Speaker 1: winds are good. And you could just tell he was
Speaker 1: like his insides were like he was just trying to
Speaker 1: end that and it's it's not a good look or whatever,
Speaker 1: but you know what happened exactly. I mean, it was
Speaker 1: like a four five second press conference that he's he
Speaker 1: is answering very short, politely but short answers, tries to
Speaker 1: walk off after forty five seconds. The guy from the
Speaker 1: athletic Greg Allman, I believe, was like, can you stay
Speaker 1: a little more? Tom, And they keep asking him questions
Speaker 1: like how are you feeling round and he's like, I
Speaker 1: don't like losing, and then he ends up walking off
Speaker 1: like forty five seconds later after about a minute and
Speaker 1: a half. You're not supposed to do that run on mine,
Speaker 1: like you have an agreement to give the reporter sometimes
Speaker 1: so it's now and he wasn't. It was more that
Speaker 1: he just reminded me of Belichick and Brady after like
Speaker 1: super Bowl losses, how it just feels like everything like
Speaker 1: if you base your whole life around this one thing,
Speaker 1: when you lose to the Washington football team, it's like
Speaker 1: you have nothing left in your being and and and
Speaker 1: just to add on to that before it shook, throw
Speaker 1: it back to you that you know this performance which
Speaker 1: Bruce Arians and his press conference called embarrassing, and then
Speaker 1: reporter asked if wide receiver issues injuries played a role
Speaker 1: in the loss. Arian's pulled no punches him Sure, Is
Speaker 1: it just me? Or is that like kind of a
Speaker 1: good thing that Brady isn't playing for a coach that
Speaker 1: treats him with kid gloves. I think that's actually another
Speaker 1: sign of a good landing spot for Brady in general. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: because at this point it would be super easy for
Speaker 1: any coach to just be like, well, he's Tom, he's
Speaker 1: the greatest ever. He can do what ever he wants.
Speaker 1: But on a day were you throw two interceptions, you
Speaker 1: need to be held accountable. And I know Tom would
Speaker 1: be the first person to hold himself accountable. But as
Speaker 1: a team and as a coach, you come off of
Speaker 1: this loss, if you treat that guy as he's infallible
Speaker 1: and we go into the next week and everything's fine
Speaker 1: and he doesn't deserve any criticism, will you start to
Speaker 1: get other guys looking at him and saying, well, hey,
Speaker 1: we're on two different planes here. And I know he's
Speaker 1: a great he's the greatest of all time, but we
Speaker 1: need to win football games and he didn't play like
Speaker 1: the goat that he is and we need him to
Speaker 1: play better than that. So as a leader on your team,
Speaker 1: he needs to be the first guy in the room
Speaker 1: to stand up and say, look, guys, I didn't play
Speaker 1: well enough for us to win, and that's on me.
Speaker 1: And if a coach is gonna do that for him
Speaker 1: as well, it keeps things even because you know, in
Speaker 1: this season you deal with injuries, to deal with so
Speaker 1: many different things to try to get to the end
Speaker 1: of the year and get to the Super Bowl. You
Speaker 1: gotta have everybody in the same page. So it's it's
Speaker 1: good for them. But you know, you talk about Tom
Speaker 1: being upset after the game, you can see it in
Speaker 1: his face in the sideline as Washington slowly getting down
Speaker 1: the field and the times ticking off the clock and
Speaker 1: Tom is chop topping the bit ready to get the
Speaker 1: ball back and go lead another comeback win, and then
Speaker 1: he never gets it with any time left and with
Speaker 1: any real chance because they're down you know, multiple scores
Speaker 1: at that point. Uh, I can totally understand why he
Speaker 1: was so upset after the game. It was he had
Speaker 1: the opportunity taking out of his hands by a defense
Speaker 1: that he's been able to count on in the past
Speaker 1: and couldn't count on today. All Right, So frustrating game
Speaker 1: for the goat and the defending chance. But as we
Speaker 1: learned last year, should not count them out in November.
Speaker 1: Let's see how they bounce back next week. But let's
Speaker 1: now move on pipe to what happened across the sidewalk here.
Speaker 1: That's so far stadium. I think they're gonna go for it.
Speaker 1: Toss right to Delpin, turns it up, wait for the
Speaker 1: first down. Ball came out, but the Viking's recovered it
Speaker 1: at the twenty nine. He'll stay. Delphin is down at
Speaker 1: the two frush four from the Minnesota Vikas, Paul Alan
Speaker 1: kf a and with the call, don't try to figure
Speaker 1: out the Vikings. Anytime you try to figure out the Vikings,
Speaker 1: they'll make you look dumb. Kirk Cousins threw a pair
Speaker 1: of touchdown passes, the Tyler conflint you heard me, Dalvin
Speaker 1: Cook rush for ninety four yards touchdown and that game
Speaker 1: ing first down and the Vikings bounce back after a
Speaker 1: little bit of a slump here. They beat the Chargers
Speaker 1: to shook. More of the same from Minnesota, right, You
Speaker 1: just that there. They'll look bad one week, they look
Speaker 1: great the next well, sounds like they look pretty good
Speaker 1: great in this one. More of the same, but a
Speaker 1: difference and a key difference that I think could help
Speaker 1: them going forward if they can kind of stay consistent.
Speaker 1: This is a game that the Vikings typically would lose
Speaker 1: this year. They go into halftime with the lead, and
Speaker 1: even on the broadcast they mentioned coming out of the break, well,
Speaker 1: you gotta feel a little bit nervous if you're a
Speaker 1: Vikings fan right now, because they've been here before and
Speaker 1: they haven't followed through. And for a little bit there
Speaker 1: after halftime, they were again trailing, and yet they responded.
Speaker 1: And not only did they respond, but they responded with
Speaker 1: emphasis too long touchdown drives. The second one was a
Speaker 1: twelve play drive. Eight of those plays were running plays.
Speaker 1: They capped it off by giving to Dalvin Cook slamming
Speaker 1: over the goal line for a touchdown. It was emphatic.
Speaker 1: It sent a message to the Chargers that hey, we're
Speaker 1: gonna rely on our offense, we're gonna rely on our
Speaker 1: ground game, and we're gonna run it down your throats
Speaker 1: and we're gonna score, and it's gonna be on you.
Speaker 1: Just stop us. And ultimately the Chargers their last three
Speaker 1: defensive possessions couldn't get a stop. Two touchdowns and then
Speaker 1: the game ending drive with that fourth and one conversion,
Speaker 1: and I felt as they tossed the ball to Dalvin
Speaker 1: Cookie gets around the edge and across the sticks for
Speaker 1: a new a fresh set of four as they said
Speaker 1: on the call, that's exactly how this game should have ended,
Speaker 1: with the Vikings doing it on the ground, doing it
Speaker 1: with emphasis, making a point that hey, you know what,
Speaker 1: we've lost games like this in the past. We're not
Speaker 1: losing this one today. I think another change for them
Speaker 1: out coming off the last two weeks and there's been
Speaker 1: a lot of heat on them where Justin Jefferson, your
Speaker 1: best player, was targeted nine times over the last two weeks.
Speaker 1: They got away from him last week when they you know,
Speaker 1: they got up early, they built to fourteen nothing leads,
Speaker 1: fourteen point leads over the Ravens and did not lean
Speaker 1: on him eleven targets today a hundred and forty three
Speaker 1: yards off nine catches, totally dominant, one of the better
Speaker 1: catches you're gonna see all year, and one that helped
Speaker 1: them ice that game and get them to the Dalvin
Speaker 1: Cook fourth down Kerry. So that I think is something
Speaker 1: if you're the Vikings, don't get away from that again
Speaker 1: because the inconsistency sometimes like just keep doing what works please,
Speaker 1: and their defense without Patrick Peterson, without Daniel Hunter, held
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert to his lowest yardage total all year and
Speaker 1: stymied them down the stretch. I mean, I thought these
Speaker 1: two teams feel like mirror teams to me in the
Speaker 1: n f C and a f C where every game
Speaker 1: comes down to the end, you don't know what's gonna happen,
Speaker 1: and the Vikings one of them had to close it out.
Speaker 1: We'd be saying the same thing about the Charge and
Speaker 1: it was reversed. But that's I like that point a lot.
Speaker 1: But I also feel differently about these teams. I feel
Speaker 1: like the Vikings are just like all over the map
Speaker 1: where Star to worry, he shook. If I'm a Charges
Speaker 1: fan that they might be pretenders. Do you do you
Speaker 1: get the vibe that they're a team with major issues
Speaker 1: or maybe fatal flaws here, Yeah, a little bit, especially
Speaker 1: in the last month. Their offense has just not lived
Speaker 1: up to what we thought it was earlier in the season,
Speaker 1: and the defense, especially today, has not picked up its
Speaker 1: end of the slack. And you know, you think Brandon
Speaker 1: Staley comes over after engineering that Rams defense that was
Speaker 1: the best in the league last year, this this defense
Speaker 1: just hasn't had the teeth that you expected to have,
Speaker 1: and especially in key moments, this game being one of them,
Speaker 1: and justin Herbert's going to have these games where he
Speaker 1: throws an interception or he's not as sharp as you'd
Speaker 1: like him to be, and he's been like that lately.
Speaker 1: You need your defense to pick you up and they
Speaker 1: just haven't played complimentary football in that regard. And that's
Speaker 1: while still being largely healthy. On the offensive side of
Speaker 1: the ball. I mean, they have Austin Neckler, They're able
Speaker 1: to still move it. Sometimes they moved it in a
Speaker 1: second half a little bit, but I mean there was
Speaker 1: a telling moment for me late in this game in
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter where they were, you know, within goldighost
Speaker 1: situation and they get stopped and Brandon Stalely downtn takes
Speaker 1: the three and and mathematically it makes sense. You know
Speaker 1: your Downtown, you you take the three, you get a stop,
Speaker 1: you try to score the game tying touchdown, potentially go
Speaker 1: for two to win the game. Right, Well, the problem
Speaker 1: is that defense couldn't get a stop. And this is
Speaker 1: a guy who loves to go for it on fourth down.
Speaker 1: It felt passive. It felt like you were playing kind
Speaker 1: of not to lose, or at least you give yourself
Speaker 1: a chance. The aggression in these Chargers has not shown
Speaker 1: through in the last month, and I think that's a
Speaker 1: big reason why they are where they are at five
Speaker 1: and four. It was shocking. I mean the the there
Speaker 1: In a way, these teams are mirror teams, but it
Speaker 1: was the opposite of what you would expect the minute.
Speaker 1: The Vikings were incredibly aggressive today in their play calling,
Speaker 1: like as aggressive almost as any team I've seen in
Speaker 1: a game ending situation all year. They it was first
Speaker 1: in twenty five on that last drive, and they threw
Speaker 1: it three straight times. That is exactly the spot where
Speaker 1: Mike Zimmer this year has run it multiple times in
Speaker 1: a row. They went forward on fourth down to drive
Speaker 1: before that too. They they were backed up in terms
Speaker 1: of penalty and when you would think they would prioritize
Speaker 1: taking time off the clock. They threw it in situations
Speaker 1: where even the even the most suggressive coaches often will
Speaker 1: run it in that situation, whereas the Chargers didn't just
Speaker 1: blink in that fourth down situation there, but also punted.
Speaker 1: I think it was on the forty on the other side. Uh,
Speaker 1: in the first half of the game. It's very surprising
Speaker 1: to me to see that Staley did not have as
Speaker 1: much confidence in his offense because I don't think it
Speaker 1: was about him having confidence in getting stops defensively. He
Speaker 1: just did not think his offense was playing well enough.
Speaker 1: Maybe it was right all right now, Shook, Um, I
Speaker 1: know you watched the Browns professionally today. Are you prepared
Speaker 1: to talk about them? Of course? Yeah, Hey man, I
Speaker 1: separate the two very easily. Stiff upper lift hats, time
Speaker 1: fires down her part and preach usophic stands between two defenders.
Speaker 1: Touchdown patriottes toolpig throws on his draw. Mac child your
Speaker 1: quarterback to get him off the plateau? What does that
Speaker 1: even mean? Bob Soy and Scott Ziliak with the call
Speaker 1: for w buzy. Mac Jones threw three touchdown passes. Rookie
Speaker 1: Romandre Stevenson rush for a career a hundred yards. Two scores,
Speaker 1: the Patriots sticking to the Browns to seven blowout City Mark.
Speaker 1: Heading into the weekend, we all kind of agreed that
Speaker 1: this felt like a close, low scoring, maybe a field
Speaker 1: goal difference type of game. How did we end up
Speaker 1: in grizzly blowout territory? Well, I think the other thing
Speaker 1: that we brought up this was on my mind. I
Speaker 1: wonder if Shook agrees that the Browns needed a signature win.
Speaker 1: You needed to go into New England and do something
Speaker 1: that basically, had they won this game, they'd be in
Speaker 1: the driver's seat of the division right now, they'd be
Speaker 1: looking arrow up and we'd be saying we think differently
Speaker 1: about them a week ago. Instead, we're right back in
Speaker 1: the darkness. And this was the most discombobulated Brown's loss
Speaker 1: of the I will say of the Kevin Stefanski era,
Speaker 1: because I don't care about some of the blowouts last
Speaker 1: year where they were figuring themselves out, they were out coached,
Speaker 1: they were outplayed. You know, by halftime, it was utterly
Speaker 1: clear that mac Jones was putting together a performance three
Speaker 1: times that of Baker Mayfield, who I think had his
Speaker 1: worst start in EON's. I mean, it was an absolute debacle.
Speaker 1: New England's defense adjusted very early to what Cleveland did.
Speaker 1: They had a nice opening touchdown drive and we've seen
Speaker 1: this before and then nothing after it, and in reverse,
Speaker 1: this is so Bill Belichick, it's so Josh McDaniels in
Speaker 1: the in the play by play, guys were going nuts
Speaker 1: over this early on, but they basically used the aggressiveness
Speaker 1: of Myles Garrett and what Myles Garrett presented to dump
Speaker 1: off screens where he would be where there was no
Speaker 1: one to eat up big chunk yardage, to invite him
Speaker 1: into the fold and run reverses where he would be.
Speaker 1: I thought they did a great job with Cleveland's defense,
Speaker 1: who came into the game tent and allowing points, and
Speaker 1: we're out of this thing early on. I just it's
Speaker 1: Cleveland and New England both want to come in and
Speaker 1: run the ball. I know, the Browns and not have
Speaker 1: Nick Chubb. New England was missing people too, and their
Speaker 1: players stepped up and they had a season high and
Speaker 1: rushing yards and beat up a Brown's defense that look
Speaker 1: totally asleep at the wheel. To me, this was a
Speaker 1: case of a good opening game script, so good preparation
Speaker 1: virtus versus good in game coaching, because Kevin Stefanski and
Speaker 1: Joe Woods got completely out coached by Bill Belichick and
Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels. I mean to the point where by the
Speaker 1: time you got to halftime, it was clear that the
Speaker 1: Browns were gonna need a miracle to come back and
Speaker 1: win this game. You had the great opening drive and
Speaker 1: then Baker Mayfield throws an interception and they score quickly
Speaker 1: and before you know it, it's seven and the Browns
Speaker 1: have no hope left in them. Romandre Stevenson just bullying
Speaker 1: his way through the Browns punchless defense. They couldn't make
Speaker 1: tackles in the open field, they couldn't make tackles in traffic.
Speaker 1: They had him on the one yard line and allow
Speaker 1: him to somehow squeeze through for a game of six
Speaker 1: and they end up going on a ninety nine yard
Speaker 1: touchdown drive. Uh and and defense or offensively, every time
Speaker 1: the Browns tried anything, the Patriots for right there with
Speaker 1: an answer. I mean, it's like they knew what the
Speaker 1: play call was, essentially, because defensively, the Browns do not adjust.
Speaker 1: They haven't adjusted all year, and they didn't adjust. Miles
Speaker 1: Geary and talked about it after the game. But offensively,
Speaker 1: they also didn't adjust. And I know, you know, Baker
Speaker 1: Mayfield goes out with an injury, and you don't have
Speaker 1: to make chubbs, you don't have to be able to
Speaker 1: rely on the run. But this is one of the
Speaker 1: weaknesses in Kevin Stefanski. Where he's good at game planning
Speaker 1: and he's good in certain situations where he knows the
Speaker 1: team's weaknesses, but when it comes to running into a
Speaker 1: brick wall of a defense, he just kind of folds.
Speaker 1: He just hasn't been able to answer that with anything better.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if it's a lack of talent.
Speaker 1: I think they have enough talent to make it work,
Speaker 1: but it's clearly a lack of execution and ingenuity offensively.
Speaker 1: And it contributed to this blowout where I mean you
Speaker 1: had Mac Jones and the sideline cracking up with his
Speaker 1: teammates and Brian Horyer are going three for three for
Speaker 1: eighty five yards and Myers. Yeah, it was a dominant performance.
Speaker 1: The Browns got completely last. Yeah, and that and that
Speaker 1: is and Connor wrote a good piece today on SI
Speaker 1: dot com, Connor Brown's fan himself, saying that you know,
Speaker 1: the Browns are five and five, So it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: four years ago it would have been a celebration to
Speaker 1: be five and five in November, but I think the
Speaker 1: way that the bar was raised this year especially, that's
Speaker 1: why you hear so much frustration from Brown's friends about
Speaker 1: how hot and cold they've been, and that's what they are.
Speaker 1: At certain point, you gotta believe a team when it's
Speaker 1: telling you they are what they are. We're an inconsistent
Speaker 1: team that could be good one week, bad the next,
Speaker 1: and you can't trust them. The Patriots, on the other hand, Greg,
Speaker 1: they are not inconsistent. They've been consistently great now for
Speaker 1: a month. And what we saw from their quarterback, the
Speaker 1: rookie quarterback, was hey, f y, I if I level
Speaker 1: if I level up in my game, we can really
Speaker 1: make a run here, And he did it on Sunday.
Speaker 1: His anticipation and just knowing what the defense is gonna
Speaker 1: do and ball placement when it's on is is awesome.
Speaker 1: But I think such a big part of it is
Speaker 1: like he's got players making plays for him. And I
Speaker 1: know they're not like the best skill position group in
Speaker 1: the world, but that that throw to Kendrick Born that
Speaker 1: everyone is going was going nuts on where he sticks
Speaker 1: it between two defenderives like that was a great catch.
Speaker 1: The Jacobean j Jacoby Myers made a couple of plays
Speaker 1: for him. Their offensive line, it's not skill position players,
Speaker 1: but they got Trent Brown back today for the first
Speaker 1: time all year, and they've got a great looking offensive line,
Speaker 1: the one that we talked about coming into the season.
Speaker 1: It took a little while, but the last three or
Speaker 1: four weeks, they're up there with one of the best
Speaker 1: offensive lines in the week. So suddenly in the league, suddenly,
Speaker 1: then you surround Mac Jones with that, and you surround
Speaker 1: him with Josh McDaniels, who have always believe is a
Speaker 1: is a great play caller and a great offensive coordinator,
Speaker 1: and it's shown he can win with different quarterbacks. Belichick
Speaker 1: gets credit for that, but like when they've won with
Speaker 1: Jimmy g and Jacoby Brissette and Castle, and like Josh
Speaker 1: McDaniels has been there for that. It's not just been
Speaker 1: Tom Brady. And it's it's hard not to be very
Speaker 1: high on this Patriots team right now, like they are
Speaker 1: coming together. But I also think this was this was
Speaker 1: a matchup thing. Like you, you're right shook. When it
Speaker 1: was twenty one seven, it felt over. But that's because
Speaker 1: of the Browns more than the Patriots to me, because
Speaker 1: they just don't don't feel like a team that can
Speaker 1: come from behind. They they feel like what people used
Speaker 1: to say about the Ravens, which I never totally bought into,
Speaker 1: which is that they are a bit of a front
Speaker 1: running team. If you get them a couple scores down,
Speaker 1: it's not happen. You can tell what's going to happen
Speaker 1: in a Browns game about ten minutes in. You can
Speaker 1: just it's the been the way it is this year.
Speaker 1: Joe Batonio called him a Jekland high team. The Patriots
Speaker 1: had three touchdown drives of ninety plus yards. They took
Speaker 1: a bomb inside their own house and blew up the ceiling.
Speaker 1: Stevenson's a beast too. You know. Damian Harris misses this
Speaker 1: game with a concussion, and it didn't matter because they've
Speaker 1: got a their running back room right now with Brandon
Speaker 1: Bolden playing so well, it's pretty great with with Stevenson,
Speaker 1: Harris and Bolden. Look out for the Patriots, and the
Speaker 1: Browns have dropped four of six and have not won
Speaker 1: in New England since when their coach was Belichick. And
Speaker 1: the same year I was born, well, well you know
Speaker 1: I was in college, so that should tell you that
Speaker 1: seems unnecessary. All right, thank you, you've said it all,
Speaker 1: you do it all. You're the man the pipe. Follow
Speaker 1: him on Twitter, check out all this great stuff on
Speaker 1: NFL dot com, and we'll see you next week. Thanks
Speaker 1: for the plug. See you guys later. All right, we'll
Speaker 1: take a break and we'll talk about the first tie
Speaker 1: of the season. Up next grows the out pattern to
Speaker 1: flyer moved, he loses the football spree on the ground.
Speaker 1: It is the Lions football. The Lions picked it up
Speaker 1: again the second course, bubbling over time and they come
Speaker 1: out of there with it. Unbelievable. There's the mistake you
Speaker 1: needed all. Are we gonna give the Lions the bongoes
Speaker 1: on a tie? You know what, Let's give it to
Speaker 1: Dan Miller, the voice of the Lions, who we hadn't
Speaker 1: heard this season until now. W x Y t the
Speaker 1: Steelers at position for a long field goal attempt. The
Speaker 1: lines stripped rookie tight end Pat Fryer move and fell
Speaker 1: on the ball with nine seconds to play. It was
Speaker 1: the turnover that clinched the sixteen sixteen tie. What do
Speaker 1: they say, it's like kissing your sister, which is always
Speaker 1: we don't need it. I don't have a have a sister,
Speaker 1: and I just don't like the visual and dreary Pittsburgh Mark.
Speaker 1: This is uh, you know, hideous four hour game. Just
Speaker 1: about Ben Roethlisberger went on the COVID list, did not play.
Speaker 1: Mason Rudolph was completely Mason Rudolph and ends with Detroit
Speaker 1: mercifully avoiding the lost column for the first time in
Speaker 1: almost a year totally unrewarding basket of treats. Did you
Speaker 1: not to interrupt, but you took this game as you
Speaker 1: often do in the draft process. You like to get
Speaker 1: a couple of blood best in there so you don't
Speaker 1: have to worry about it. So how fitting on a
Speaker 1: day where the Browns crap their pants you get a
Speaker 1: four hour slog tie. Well, that's like little girls say
Speaker 1: on the the thing when it rains at pores, baby,
Speaker 1: and like, that's that's what happened today. The little girl
Speaker 1: says it on this thing. It's literally it's a slogan
Speaker 1: on the salt thing. It's some sort of salt. The
Speaker 1: people buy what is it? Oh, I know, a very
Speaker 1: blue salt. Yeah, I don't buy it, but it's a salt.
Speaker 1: I don't know. But this this thing, by the way,
Speaker 1: they're like, it's not gonna be four quarters, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a full five. Enjoy it. A total ill basket
Speaker 1: traits it is. It was a hot mess. I mean.
Speaker 1: The problem that was so frustrating was that both teams
Speaker 1: had chances to win this in overtime, if not before.
Speaker 1: I mean the Steelers fumbled twice in overtime the Lions,
Speaker 1: uh Santos so their forty eight field goal kicked miss
Speaker 1: just a disaster for them. Uh it was. It just
Speaker 1: went on and on. It was. The game had sixteen
Speaker 1: punts Jared Goff average one point five air yards deep.
Speaker 1: Into overtime, Golf was playing, and I know this was
Speaker 1: a people were wondering what was going on with Jared
Speaker 1: Goff because you would never you won't see a team
Speaker 1: all year long play around their quarterback the way they
Speaker 1: did with Jared Goff. And it's partly just what's going
Speaker 1: on with Jared Goff. It was successful for Detroit. They
Speaker 1: ran for two hundred plus yards and barreled through Pittsburgh's
Speaker 1: defense and that kept him in this game. But when
Speaker 1: Golf was on the sideline, they were wrapping his waist
Speaker 1: and back lower back with like this medical tape. You
Speaker 1: could tell he was in tough shape. He couldn't drowy
Speaker 1: for any athlete get the blow hard, but I mean,
Speaker 1: let's get him and blow how he wins the coin toss?
Speaker 1: I don't get they were doing. They were at the
Speaker 1: point where it was third and five. It was sixteen sixteen.
Speaker 1: It was third and fifteen, and the Lions are tied
Speaker 1: sixteen sixteen, and they run the ball on third and fifteen.
Speaker 1: They were I think that you know in Pittsburgh still
Speaker 1: couldn't do enough with that. They couldn't do enough to
Speaker 1: stop the run in that situation. So it was a
Speaker 1: weird game in crappy weather that went on for about
Speaker 1: six and a half hours. Happy for the Lion seven tie.
Speaker 1: I don't hate ties the same way that some people do.
Speaker 1: I hate how they mess They messed with the symmetry
Speaker 1: the season, but the NFL already can create symmetry. I
Speaker 1: know it's annoying that we went out of our way
Speaker 1: to lose symmetry would be can I can of just say?
Speaker 1: And I don't want to pile on because I'm sure
Speaker 1: he's a nice guy, but I knew when Ryan Santoso
Speaker 1: is lining up for that forty eight yard kick in overtime,
Speaker 1: what's that old like um w w E song? No
Speaker 1: chance in hell. He had this look in his eyes
Speaker 1: like he did to be anywhere in the world at
Speaker 1: that moment, and he kicked the ball like he wanted
Speaker 1: to be anywhere else in the world at that moment,
Speaker 1: and that you know speaks to the lines. Do we
Speaker 1: have Campbell talking after the game because Campbell is like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he just wants a dub and he he'll take a tie,
Speaker 1: I'm sure over an l But you know it's tough
Speaker 1: being the head coach of the lines. Yeah, honestly, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Like I said, I don't, I don't.
Speaker 1: It was twilight zone. I don't know what this is really. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm sure I've been in a tie before as a player.
Speaker 1: For some reason, I can't remember that if it was, so,
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's gain well, you could. It's fine
Speaker 1: to cut them off there because he doesn't know what
Speaker 1: to say either. It's just been a tough season. Greg.
Speaker 1: What about the Steelers that it's a bad as bad,
Speaker 1: it's it's somehow worse than a loss. Okay, that's stupid.
Speaker 1: It's not worse than loss. But they tie, tying the
Speaker 1: Lions in this sort of game where you also lose
Speaker 1: Joe Hayden uh and Kevin Dotson to injury, and Dotson
Speaker 1: was ruled out quickly and has been good for them
Speaker 1: on the offensive line Like this, this was a very costly.
Speaker 1: I feel I do want to say on campbelled up,
Speaker 1: I feel like he's part of the issue here. It's
Speaker 1: like they want s bench Peyton manning for brock Osweiler,
Speaker 1: Like put put blow in if Goff is out there
Speaker 1: and he can't move around, just at least for this one.
Speaker 1: It's not like a franchise legend that you're trying to
Speaker 1: be sensitive about. Go put blow in and when a
Speaker 1: ball is also you know, I'm not piling on I
Speaker 1: guess I could see the strategy because you know, want
Speaker 1: to tie the game. But he's called time outs for
Speaker 1: the Steelers on the Steelers drive that almost ends with
Speaker 1: the game winning field goal attempt to stop the clock,
Speaker 1: which is helping out Pittsburgh more than it has the
Speaker 1: possibility to help out Detroit. You know, not piling on
Speaker 1: the lines. But here's the thing I will pile on
Speaker 1: Mason Rudolph that he's not a good backup quarterback. He's
Speaker 1: not a good starting quarterback. He's not the future in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1: I can't talk too much on this game because they
Speaker 1: only watched over time, but I read that he missed
Speaker 1: a ton of throws in this twenty and completions. He
Speaker 1: also just he's thrown to ghosts sometimes and you just
Speaker 1: can't try Chase Claypool being out jews out like this
Speaker 1: is a this is a banged up team too. It's
Speaker 1: a good news for the Browns though, because the Lions
Speaker 1: they get the moral victory and this thing, in this case,
Speaker 1: it was a moral tie every other week. Like this
Speaker 1: is where you and I just have this I just
Speaker 1: mean disconnected the Lions. I'm just saying the Lions have
Speaker 1: this thing where everyone's like, hey, they're well coached, they
Speaker 1: tried really hard, and then like everyone's kind of in
Speaker 1: on the lines a little bit going into the next game,
Speaker 1: and then they get their doors blown off. And so
Speaker 1: that's the Browns. That there is some actual good news
Speaker 1: for the Browns. Also that this is a hideous week
Speaker 1: for the a f C North. The Ravens go down
Speaker 1: against the two and seven Dolphins, the Pittsburgh Steelers barely
Speaker 1: tie the O and eight Lions, and the Cincinnati Bengals
Speaker 1: are in flames on their bye week. So you actually
Speaker 1: don't lose any ground. Well, I guess you was half
Speaker 1: a game, But anyway, I would just say if you
Speaker 1: watch this from wire to wire. People aren't going to
Speaker 1: be running around like waving banners for the Detroit Lions
Speaker 1: like there were issues. All right, let's move. They learned
Speaker 1: by three sets. They throw it back to days of
Speaker 1: the left corner, and this time he holds out to
Speaker 1: it in the end zone for the touchdown. The Bills do,
Speaker 1: in fact take a sixteen to three. League should have
Speaker 1: seen Mark Stern nod of his head when I said,
Speaker 1: it's good to hear from doing Dan Miller. You have
Speaker 1: a good Stan Miller. I mean I'm not aware of Dan.
Speaker 1: He hasn't been on this very I was just acknowledging
Speaker 1: that I listened to what you said, and yes, I
Speaker 1: comprehended your statement. And can I also say that Dan
Speaker 1: Miller was a class act when I interviewed him for
Speaker 1: the Pain rankings where it all comes in, well, you
Speaker 1: have this j Miller. It's it's been on ice for
Speaker 1: about five years, but you never know when I could
Speaker 1: get picked up again. The Jets were just what the
Speaker 1: doctor ordered for the Bill's slumping offense. That was John
Speaker 1: Murphy with the call for w g R. Josh Allen
Speaker 1: picked a part New York's week defense, throwing for three
Speaker 1: three yards and two scores win at the meadow ends.
Speaker 1: Alan's offensive line gave him a ton of time to
Speaker 1: work from the pocket. He reestablished his connection with star
Speaker 1: receiver Stefon Diggs, who enjoyed a second one yard day
Speaker 1: of the season, had a touchdown. And um, I'll say
Speaker 1: this before we kind of get into the game more
Speaker 1: above the tree tops about the Bills. The Jets were
Speaker 1: a nice confidence booster, um, but we'll need to see
Speaker 1: more evidence before declaring that Brian Dable and company have
Speaker 1: successfully counteracted the game plans that have stifled the attack
Speaker 1: the season. But that said, good work took care of business.
Speaker 1: The Jets are a mess defensively right now. Mike White
Speaker 1: was a mess in this game four interceptions and that
Speaker 1: was a great storyline while it lasted. Uh, we will
Speaker 1: be seeing Zack Wilson sooner rather than later. But it
Speaker 1: was the defense of the Jets that let the Bills
Speaker 1: do anything they wanted. So we'll see what they look
Speaker 1: like against better competition Buffalo. But for one Sunday in
Speaker 1: northern New Jersey, they were back to their old way.
Speaker 1: And Kindlie, I don't I'm trying to remember if I've
Speaker 1: ever seen this and It's not to pile on the Jets,
Speaker 1: we get it. But last four games they have allowed
Speaker 1: point totals of fifty four, one, forty five, and forty five.
Speaker 1: This is like beating up on a lost friend on
Speaker 1: Madden in someone who's never touched a console. The Bills
Speaker 1: became the fourth team in five weeks to roll up
Speaker 1: more than four hundred yards against New York. Some of
Speaker 1: these yardage holes could be hireder higher, but the blowouts
Speaker 1: are so grizzly that the teams are taking their foot
Speaker 1: off the pedal unless you're the Patriots and you have
Speaker 1: no class um. But you know Jim Joe Douglas has
Speaker 1: so much work to so much work to do to
Speaker 1: return the Jet's respectability. But they have to dedicate serious
Speaker 1: resources in the off season to this defense completely overmatch
Speaker 1: and and injured. They were over match coming into the
Speaker 1: season for the most part on paper and bank. Even
Speaker 1: if you have Karl Lawson and Marcus May, you still
Speaker 1: got to add more talent to this. Absolutely, you would
Speaker 1: expect more out of a defensive coach. I think that's
Speaker 1: the risk of a defensive coach, but I liked his
Speaker 1: coordinator higher. On offense, they have allowed more points um
Speaker 1: in the last four games to your point mark, uh
Speaker 1: than any team since the merger except for the two
Speaker 1: thousand four Titans had a head of four games stretch.
Speaker 1: Uh just a little bit worse, but that's it. So
Speaker 1: they are they are historically bad in terms of the month.
Speaker 1: And I know we're saying like, Okay, you want to
Speaker 1: see the Bills offense against a better team and all, um,
Speaker 1: But we were coming into this thinking, I don't know,
Speaker 1: Mike White might keep this close. And the Bills, if
Speaker 1: if nothing else, have been the most consistent defense in
Speaker 1: the NFL. So I'm gonna give them some credit for stifling,
Speaker 1: you know, picking off Mike White four times and just
Speaker 1: you know, getting a blowout. The Bill's defense has been
Speaker 1: really good this season, even while the offense hasn't been.
Speaker 1: And uh, Mike White was by halfway through this game,
Speaker 1: he was the one seeing ghost. He was just kind
Speaker 1: of throwing the ball up for grabs. Wasn't even kind
Speaker 1: of looking uh downfield like he was a guy when
Speaker 1: he had that big game against Cincinnati. A lot of
Speaker 1: it was underneath and he was just doing a good
Speaker 1: job going through his progressions and taking with the defense
Speaker 1: gave him once he got on tilt a little bit
Speaker 1: in this game and he had to push the ball
Speaker 1: downfield or fell that he had to. It was a disaster,
Speaker 1: so bad stuff. Joe Flacco showed up in this game,
Speaker 1: so nice. Moved by the Jets trading three. Uh, he
Speaker 1: he might start next week. I wouldn't be now, that
Speaker 1: wouldn't make any sense. That would be crazy. And it's
Speaker 1: back to it doesn't matter, um really whether it's White
Speaker 1: or Flacco. Neither of those guys are an answer. You
Speaker 1: need to have the boy back in and we'll see
Speaker 1: if he is back and the next time they play.
Speaker 1: But goodwin for the Bills. They got out of there,
Speaker 1: I believe, pretty healthy and they move onward and upward.
Speaker 1: Let's move on. Jets stink and they get to fill
Speaker 1: the Bills face may have lost the ball, so she
Speaker 1: puts bad product in the field. Years no signal yet
Speaker 1: the Colts think they have a takeaway in a formal
Speaker 1: recovery take away. They definitely alright, Matt Taylor. I mean,
Speaker 1: I feel like when you have to scream about a
Speaker 1: desperate takeaway needed against the Jaguars, it's not a great look.
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day. You know, all
Speaker 1: the guys in Jacksonville drive Cadillacs. Two right, our Cadillacs
Speaker 1: like the highest form. Well, Earl, we were the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame manager of the Orioles. He coined it and
Speaker 1: that was probably in the eighties when the Catolic. Now
Speaker 1: they all drive phantoms. Yeah, phantoms? Is that? Is that
Speaker 1: a Bentley? I don't even know park those cars. That's
Speaker 1: why I would not extremely parallel parking of phantom. I
Speaker 1: would not recommend. Jonathan Taylor ran for buck sixteen and
Speaker 1: the touch of the Colts added another score on a
Speaker 1: blocked punt and they held on for win over the Jaguars.
Speaker 1: It is a Rose Royce, by the way, And you know,
Speaker 1: like before you come into my mentions and you know,
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, these are three white guys. Don't know
Speaker 1: phantoms are Rolls Royce. It's like I paid off that
Speaker 1: mos the s X five three years ago. I'm riding
Speaker 1: that thing until the wheels come off. Ten years from now,
Speaker 1: I might be riding that thing. You're one of those
Speaker 1: I don't know. You're Larry David all the way. I
Speaker 1: don't I don't care about David. Where are you going
Speaker 1: right now? Greg is up out of his series. You
Speaker 1: don't have to call that on curb your enthusiasm. In
Speaker 1: later seasons now he has like a luxury um. You know,
Speaker 1: it's a electric car, I believe, but he drove that
Speaker 1: Prius for the first ten years of the show. He evolved. Greg,
Speaker 1: maybe you can as well. You're yeah, David's money and
Speaker 1: by fifties or sixties or whatever. I'm just saying, you
Speaker 1: can spend that money elsewhere according to that money Smith,
Speaker 1: So you know you got to pinch those pennies anyway. Uh. Jaguars, Uh,
Speaker 1: they got a couple of wins this year, and they
Speaker 1: hung tough in this game. So they're playing hard for
Speaker 1: urban Meyer, but the Colts get it done. I feel
Speaker 1: bad for Trevor Lawrence. So many drops in this game.
Speaker 1: I know Jamal Agnew like makes a big play as
Speaker 1: a as a runner long touchdown, but there were multiple
Speaker 1: drives that I saw killed by Agnew. Drops where you
Speaker 1: know you're throwing slants to like a return guy who
Speaker 1: couldn't make other teams and he's like your ex receiver.
Speaker 1: It's like you're the only deep game is just kind
Speaker 1: of like throwing it up a back shoulder to Marvin Jones.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying Trevor Lawrence has been incredible, but
Speaker 1: I think the team letting him down has increased as
Speaker 1: the season has has warned, Well, they're gonna, you know,
Speaker 1: they'll make a couple of big free agent signings in
Speaker 1: the off season, and one of these huge narratives will
Speaker 1: be like Trevor Lawrence is about to show us who
Speaker 1: he really is. And I don't doubt that that's true.
Speaker 1: It's just that I can already feel that being it's happening.
Speaker 1: And just like I just talked about another bad team,
Speaker 1: the Jets are gonna you could like look into the
Speaker 1: crystal ball and you'll see that Joe Douglas is like,
Speaker 1: we have a great defensive coach. Now I'll start to
Speaker 1: give him more pieces and they'll spend money in draft
Speaker 1: defensive players. That's what you're gonna see from the Jaguars
Speaker 1: in the subcoming off season. This is what you want
Speaker 1: to see. Though they outgained the Cults, the defensive improvement
Speaker 1: seems like it's there. It's a little shocking that the
Speaker 1: Cults offense at one point, I think had not eight
Speaker 1: punts in nine drives, including five three and ounce against
Speaker 1: Jack and j d at over eleven yards like that.
Speaker 1: This Jacksonville defense showed up last week and I, you know,
Speaker 1: it was just like, well that doesn't count. Well, it's like, actually,
Speaker 1: maybe they are becoming a little bit better. And they
Speaker 1: gave them a test today. And I checked in late
Speaker 1: to this because I called the Jaguars a berserker team
Speaker 1: that can maybe cause a little bit of havoc down
Speaker 1: the stretch. And at least they didn't totally get wiped today.
Speaker 1: Cults are in this race though. Moral victory for you. Yes,
Speaker 1: I chalked that up. It's the best thing that happened
Speaker 1: to me. I was trying to that. I was like,
Speaker 1: where's the analysis here? There? There there, Oh it's about
Speaker 1: I said, not out of nine drives, they had one
Speaker 1: that went over eleven yards. That's good on defense in
Speaker 1: the NFL. By the way, they were one in four,
Speaker 1: so I know this game, this game is ugly. Just
Speaker 1: moved past it. You got your win. They were one
Speaker 1: in four and you get to five and five. That's
Speaker 1: a that's a pretty nice accomplishment to be right in there.
Speaker 1: And we don't have to tell cults fans don't trust
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz they oh when they go hot and called
Speaker 1: on offense, and again I need to get eyes in
Speaker 1: this game. But the quarterback is he's gonna play the snap.
Speaker 1: So people in Philadelphia are loving the wins experience right now.
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a break and then we'll hit
Speaker 1: the rest of the games. They blitz in me frozen
Speaker 1: left lamps in the corner of the ends all and
Speaker 1: he walks under the ball, touch foul. The ceedee lamb
Speaker 1: hit a second and he comes up and grinning at
Speaker 1: Dalton Schultz and shrugging his shoulders, saying that was too easy.
Speaker 1: It was too easy for the Cowboys. On Sunday, Brad
Speaker 1: Sham the sham God for k r l D Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott through a couple of touchdowns, Zeke scored a couple
Speaker 1: of times, the Shawn Wright recovered a block pen putting
Speaker 1: the end zone. Cowboys roll to three over and overwhelmed
Speaker 1: and seemingly unprepared Falcon's team. How out of control was
Speaker 1: this blowout? Dallas's halftime lead was thirty six to three
Speaker 1: halftime Greggy, that's a dan Quinn revenge game, baby, That
Speaker 1: is uh? I mean, we got how out of control
Speaker 1: is it? We had an entire quarter of Josh Rosen
Speaker 1: versus Cooper rush to get both teams just called off
Speaker 1: the dogs. If you look at the box score and
Speaker 1: his forty three like this game play, it was exactly
Speaker 1: what you thought it was like if if you don't
Speaker 1: want to watch it on game pass, you can pretty
Speaker 1: much guess what happened. Doc Prescott last week was definitely misfiring,
Speaker 1: didn't seem right. He looked like the dock from the
Speaker 1: first eight or nine weeks here. One thing that struck
Speaker 1: me though in this game was the fourth downs, two
Speaker 1: big ones by the Cowboys, which one was a touchdown
Speaker 1: and one led to a touchdown, And it got me
Speaker 1: thinking about Mike McCarthy and the aggressiveness that he's had
Speaker 1: this year, and I started thinking, like, we gotta get
Speaker 1: him Mike McCarthy versus Aaron Rodgers with like Mike McCarthy
Speaker 1: colin for four downs and somehow that he gets back
Speaker 1: at Aaron Rodgers, Like this is what I want in
Speaker 1: the NFC playoffs, And these are the two teams that
Speaker 1: I feel I trust the most in terms of will
Speaker 1: be there in the divisional round, if only because I
Speaker 1: know they're gonna win their divisions, and I know they're
Speaker 1: both really good. That is a luscious idea. I'm totally
Speaker 1: on board with that, and I mean you can look
Speaker 1: at the point total. Obviously their offense is high powered.
Speaker 1: But I like this Falcons offense, especially over the last
Speaker 1: three or four weeks. The Cowboys did not have DeMarcus Lawrence,
Speaker 1: they did not have Randy Gregory, Matt Ryan and his
Speaker 1: lowest passer rating. The pregame shows were all about Matt
Speaker 1: Ryan knows dan Quinn's defense. By the way, dan Quinn
Speaker 1: knows Matt Ryan, Matt Ryan and none of that stuff matters.
Speaker 1: But it's like the the the Falcons experience has been
Speaker 1: up and down because they have been really enjoyable to watch.
Speaker 1: You can kind of see it coming together on offense,
Speaker 1: and then they completely got manhandled the court of Cordel.
Speaker 1: Patterson suffered an ankle injury early. I had to play
Speaker 1: through it couldn't kind of look like a high ankle sprain.
Speaker 1: They're playing on Thursday night, By the way, against the
Speaker 1: Once Patterson has gone, this team is no longer fun.
Speaker 1: You got Wayne Gallman for fifteen carries. That tells you
Speaker 1: it's a it's a bit of you know, house built
Speaker 1: of sticks, and they're not. It's not like they're winning
Speaker 1: this game or it's a house of cards. They're not
Speaker 1: winning this game or being competitive with Patterson. But they
Speaker 1: didn't have anything. Dorrin's Armstrong had an incredible game. Sticks
Speaker 1: and stones actually might be but it's the house of cards,
Speaker 1: I know. But we're talking about things that men of
Speaker 1: the past did. We've never done any of these things
Speaker 1: that they do create like cliches. What do you mean
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, it was a real tough day down
Speaker 1: at the mill. It's like none of us have ever
Speaker 1: been to a mill. I mean, just we don't. We're
Speaker 1: talking about men. Listen, I'm a homeowner. I do a
Speaker 1: lot of work outside. Now, well that I exclude you,
Speaker 1: include you from the would commentary on modern man. You
Speaker 1: alone are doing the work that men used to work.
Speaker 1: Farm I worked at two years ago for like four
Speaker 1: teens an please, I mean I was driving yet to
Speaker 1: get there. Lost, they're lost. I'm picturing just like flashbacks
Speaker 1: where it's like the gauzy look to the camera and
Speaker 1: it's market camp, happiness at the lake with his his
Speaker 1: girlfriend and all his buddies, listening to Collective Soul, and
Speaker 1: just Greg just like driving to nowhere and that's straw,
Speaker 1: very drunk, no idea where the is going, no map quest,
Speaker 1: no no cell phone, dishwashing that's like going to the mill.
Speaker 1: Did a lot of dishwashings? Where were we? Oh? I
Speaker 1: just want to say this, the Falcons and on top
Speaker 1: of like a really ugly game, it just stinks that
Speaker 1: this is just where things are. But everyone destroying the
Speaker 1: Falcons on Twitter when it was three to the point
Speaker 1: where the Falcons Twitter uh says yeah, yeah, we know,
Speaker 1: very ponderous and then you know, to get off. It
Speaker 1: didn't last for long because thirty seconds after it went
Speaker 1: to twenty three they had a punt block to make
Speaker 1: it thirty six by the Falcons. I think we should
Speaker 1: just stop with three. It's been long enough. It really
Speaker 1: truly is the most painful loss I can think of
Speaker 1: in the history of sports, because because every time there's
Speaker 1: any twenty eight to three, it gets brought up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you like, you love your Saints and you know
Speaker 1: they're your pet team and everything, like they're the one
Speaker 1: into it more than anyone else. You should you should
Speaker 1: go on the Saints podcast with those dudes um and
Speaker 1: say Adam and Ryan, you say, hey, guys, next time
Speaker 1: you're on the Saints Switter podcast, you say, announcement before
Speaker 1: we get into this, I got a monologue hit the
Speaker 1: miss of music and then just be like no more
Speaker 1: three and then give like a detailed reasoning. You don't
Speaker 1: condone it. Basically, you stand. I just think it's been enough.
Speaker 1: It's been enough. We not just I don't don't I
Speaker 1: command you to stand down, Saints Nation. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: do that. By the way, Like, why why is Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott running over a linebacker when it's thirty six to three? Uh,
Speaker 1: late in the third quarter. I I'm all about everyone's
Speaker 1: always about like protecting your players, and yet they leave
Speaker 1: in their players in these nameless situations even late in
Speaker 1: the third quarter. You could you can take them out.
Speaker 1: It's very strange because they're so concerned in the preseason
Speaker 1: and then when in the regular season and thinks you
Speaker 1: don't condone that either. You know, it's a great way
Speaker 1: to avoid people taunting you forever. Same thing like I've
Speaker 1: gotten like the butt fumble gifts sent to me for
Speaker 1: ten straight years. Don't get the butt fumble done to you.
Speaker 1: Don't blow lead in the Super Bowl. This is sports,
Speaker 1: and sometimes it's just cruel. All right, let's move and
Speaker 1: Gordon has knocked down. Football comes loose. Eagles come up
Speaker 1: with the Slow, picks it up slightly, running with the ball,
Speaker 1: and Slow takes off to the forth side of the
Speaker 1: field to the thirty to the forty slight running away
Speaker 1: from people. Slow at the forty thirty ten five touchdown.
Speaker 1: I think you could tell Meryl Reese in his voice
Speaker 1: wasn't sure whether he was calling a game changing touchdown
Speaker 1: for w I P, but he was. Cornerback Darius Slay
Speaker 1: returned to fumble eighty two yards for a score that
Speaker 1: held up upon review. Was a good call, and rookie
Speaker 1: Davanta Smith continued his surge. He had two touchdown catches
Speaker 1: from Jalen Hurts in the first half. The Eagles roll
Speaker 1: over the Broncos thirteen. Um. You know, last week the
Speaker 1: Broncos go to Dallas and embarrassed the Cowboys, and then
Speaker 1: seven days later, the Cowboys make the Falcons look like
Speaker 1: a little league team, a Pop Warner team, and the
Speaker 1: Broncos go right back to looking like also Rents, mediocre
Speaker 1: Hammond Eggers. And that's and that was kind of my
Speaker 1: takeaway from this game. UH, My other big takeaway other
Speaker 1: than the Broncos or mediocre and um and they were
Speaker 1: a tease last week, is that Jalen hurts Um was
Speaker 1: so good in the first half of this game. He
Speaker 1: only threw three passes in the second half, so I
Speaker 1: can't and he threw an interception in the second half.
Speaker 1: But in the first half, with what he was able
Speaker 1: to do with his arm and with his legs again,
Speaker 1: he he is showing signs that this is a guy
Speaker 1: that you should give serious thought to continuing to develop
Speaker 1: and stay the course with Jalen hurts I really liked
Speaker 1: what I saw in this game. The Eagles are four
Speaker 1: and six. All four of their wins have come on
Speaker 1: the road, so it's an interesting, uh season they're having.
Speaker 1: And I thought, um one more note on the Broncos
Speaker 1: and this and bad day for teddy Bridge Bridgewater all
Speaker 1: the all around. Greg, You're gonna really struggle with this
Speaker 1: game tape because in addition to the phantom tackle attempt,
Speaker 1: Um on the uh Darius Slay touchdown, which was not
Speaker 1: a great look. He said he was trying to force
Speaker 1: the action the other direction, but it looked like he
Speaker 1: was trying to may a business decision there. He just
Speaker 1: missed a lot of plays in this game. He struggled
Speaker 1: and they and they stalled out in the red zone repeatedly.
Speaker 1: They stalled at the three, the ten, and the eleven.
Speaker 1: That was the difference in this game, right, They were
Speaker 1: living in the red zone in the second half of
Speaker 1: the game, trying to make a comeback. I am impressed
Speaker 1: and surprised about how quickly the Eagles have flipped this offense.
Speaker 1: Like everyone was begging them to just run the ball
Speaker 1: more for the first six weeks, and then they started
Speaker 1: to and they're the best running team in the league.
Speaker 1: The last three weeks. They are the number one offense
Speaker 1: according to expected points a lot. Now you gotta look
Speaker 1: at the you know, the opponents, but they've been wildly
Speaker 1: efficient for three straight weeks, you know, with this very
Speaker 1: run heavy approach. Yeah, I mean that is there is
Speaker 1: when they can run the ball and then he and
Speaker 1: Hurts can make plays with his legs and this devouta
Speaker 1: Smith connection, which has really come on the last two weeks.
Speaker 1: They his catch, he had an incredible it was a
Speaker 1: great stat his touchdown catch. The first one was over
Speaker 1: past tricks, certain the second or is it the third?
Speaker 1: So the second or third, I mean the second to
Speaker 1: play in the NFL um and I think he had
Speaker 1: less than like a half yard of separation. Was the
Speaker 1: smallest window for any touchdown reception this season. That's the
Speaker 1: type of play as star receiver makes, and he made
Speaker 1: one there. So the Eagles are a team to kind
Speaker 1: of keep an eye on here, and they're only one
Speaker 1: game back in the NFC. I have a crazy stat
Speaker 1: for you right now, are you ready for you? All? Right?
Speaker 1: Out of the thirty two teams in the NFL, only
Speaker 1: five are more than one loss out of the playoffs five.
Speaker 1: I believe that there's twelve in the a f C
Speaker 1: that are in that mix and fifteen in the NFC.
Speaker 1: The Lions are the only team that's not within one
Speaker 1: loss in the You know, if you really want to
Speaker 1: stretch it and and say, the Giants in Washington are
Speaker 1: only one loss behind George Bush one mission accomplished the
Speaker 1: league on it, and they they are here. And if
Speaker 1: you have told me, if you like traveled from the
Speaker 1: future back to August and gave me that stat, I'd
Speaker 1: like cross my finger and be like, come on, you
Speaker 1: gotta be in the mix. He gotta be one of
Speaker 1: the teams, but they are not. Now, before we move on, Greg,
Speaker 1: i'd like you to uh speak on the Teddy play.
Speaker 1: He's catching a ton of heat for it. Business decision
Speaker 1: and a big spot a lot. I mentioned it on
Speaker 1: Twitter and all the Broncos fans got angry. He's got
Speaker 1: two bad knees or his knee was shredders. Like, I
Speaker 1: get all that right. People kill quarterbacks sometimes for like
Speaker 1: throwing their body at offensive players when fumbled or defensive
Speaker 1: players when fumbles are being returned and getting hurt. It's like,
Speaker 1: was he really going to tackle tackle him there? I
Speaker 1: could have slowed him down, led to could have made it.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe he's a football player. What I
Speaker 1: do love is he like he did a very demonstrative
Speaker 1: lowering of his head, just like lowered his head like
Speaker 1: eight feet away from the player, Like that meant anything
Speaker 1: like a step back three. I want Teddy's career to continue.
Speaker 1: That that play did not decide the game. I'm happy
Speaker 1: room going forward, but you know, I hope not. His
Speaker 1: His approval rating in general with Broncos fans went from
Speaker 1: like it felt like it was pretty high and now
Speaker 1: it's just out the window. One play. I put it
Speaker 1: this way, Greg, if you would, Hey, how about don't
Speaker 1: fumble the ball in a big spot in Melvin Gordon?
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen Melvin Gordon fumble the ball in
Speaker 1: a big spot. I'm just saying between Broncos fans and
Speaker 1: Chargers fans, they know what I'm talking about. A fourth
Speaker 1: and one play, he gets the two yards and fumbles.
Speaker 1: How about a little attention on that happened what happened
Speaker 1: couple weeks ago. That's that's what you learned. That was
Speaker 1: a debate club, not to it was the bottle Congress.
Speaker 1: There are no lessons in model Congress. No one ever
Speaker 1: gave us tips. Everyone got to be president once you
Speaker 1: were senior, because like there's only seven you. Let me
Speaker 1: just say that the only person. We won't dwell on it. Um.
Speaker 1: But you see what Bruce arians did with Tom Brady today.
Speaker 1: He didn't let him off the hook. He held him
Speaker 1: accountable because ultimately that's what's best for Tom Brady and
Speaker 1: his team. That's how I think you should be with
Speaker 1: Teddy right now. Don't let him off the hook. Let
Speaker 1: him know what he did was not acceptable. And we
Speaker 1: don't think that's gonna happen again, because we know you're
Speaker 1: a man of high integrity and character, but we were
Speaker 1: disappointed today. What I'm not going to be as a
Speaker 1: Twitter scout. I need to know more about what happened
Speaker 1: on that play. I need to see different angles before
Speaker 1: I just start flaming people. You're not gonna like all
Speaker 1: the angles because I've seen him all right. Which takes
Speaker 1: us to Sunday Night Football, Sunday Night, ton of time
Speaker 1: going to the in zone. It's Williams there and he
Speaker 1: makes the grid case Carol Williams, So of course you're
Speaker 1: gonna take a running back and just throw off a
Speaker 1: prayer and expect him to make a play like that?
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? Al Michael's and Chris Collins with
Speaker 1: the call and some of the descriptor words there are
Speaker 1: by Colinsworth incredible. Are you kidding me? We haven't heard
Speaker 1: those when describing the Chiefs attack in a while. But
Speaker 1: it was back on Sunday Night Football from Vegas, a
Speaker 1: forty one fourteen win for the Chiefs, who outscore their
Speaker 1: division rival seven in the second half, fourteen zilch in
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter and Patrick Mahomes through it fifty times,
Speaker 1: and he translated those fifty throws into four hundred and
Speaker 1: six yards, five touchdowns, zero picks. Mark, this is the
Speaker 1: Chiefs offense that everyone was waiting for. It has returned,
Speaker 1: and at the expense of a Raiders team that is
Speaker 1: now reeling. I think we'll find out if it's fully returned.
Speaker 1: But I saw a Raiders defense tonight that could not
Speaker 1: take advantage of a number of rather reckless throws from
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes downfield as well, and the Raiders simply no
Speaker 1: showed in the first half. And I do trust that
Speaker 1: with Patrick Mahomes, this is what this is who he
Speaker 1: is like the whole Like he's in the slump, He's
Speaker 1: not the same person. Should you be taking chances like this?
Speaker 1: That always felt a little bizarre to me. But do
Speaker 1: you trust Greg that this offense is fixed based off
Speaker 1: of this game? I just think the Raiders are missing
Speaker 1: pieces and parts. I mean, you don't throw away the
Speaker 1: whole rest of the season. Just as annoying as people
Speaker 1: saying like, oh, the Chiefs aren't coming back from this
Speaker 1: is the people that are pointing to one game and
Speaker 1: say like they're back. How many times do we need
Speaker 1: to watch an NFL season to learn, there's gonna be
Speaker 1: like ebbs and flows and all that. But I never
Speaker 1: got the idea that changing who Patrick Mahomes was as
Speaker 1: a player is some sort of solution. And yeah, like
Speaker 1: the turnover, luck turns his way tonight. But this was
Speaker 1: like an amazing performance by them too. Kelsey was feeling
Speaker 1: himself early. Uh, them throwing short to Tyreek Hill was
Speaker 1: working great, The play calls were great. You know, Damian
Speaker 1: Williams has a game like for him to remember. And
Speaker 1: I think more importantly than all this is that she
Speaker 1: defensive resurgent over the last month seems pretty real, Like
Speaker 1: Chris Jones was living out there. Tonight, Tyrone Matthew shuts
Speaker 1: down Darren Waller. And that's a solid month now of
Speaker 1: the Chiefs defense being good, good enough. Yeah, look out,
Speaker 1: that's what I'll say. I'm buying in. And I know
Speaker 1: they've had even this season, they've had big weeks and
Speaker 1: then you think they're out of it and then they
Speaker 1: go back and do a funk. All right, could happen again.
Speaker 1: But I think about tonight in the immediate moments after
Speaker 1: it's over, and I'm I'm saying to myself, Okay, they're
Speaker 1: gonna run away with this division. Now they are atop
Speaker 1: the A f C West and you look at the
Speaker 1: rest of the division. The Raiders look a hell of
Speaker 1: a lot like the Raiders of the last couple of
Speaker 1: years under John Gruden. Now where that you know they
Speaker 1: get you kind of sucked in myself included, and they
Speaker 1: start to fade. And there's some different factors clouding their
Speaker 1: situation this year, but it's more of the same. They're
Speaker 1: now five and four team the Chargers. The Chargers look
Speaker 1: like to me a potential pretender. They're five and four
Speaker 1: the Broncos. They they showed who they were uh today
Speaker 1: even after that great win a Dallas. So that division
Speaker 1: is there for the taking and the Chiefs there is
Speaker 1: a very real chance that they've gone through their their
Speaker 1: ugly period and they're about to start rollings. And if
Speaker 1: you can now combine greg this offense out of a
Speaker 1: slump and performing again at an elite level with the
Speaker 1: defense that that's improving, that's one super Bowls for them.
Speaker 1: In the past. They picked the right year to go
Speaker 1: through a prolonged slump, I mean, because they've come out
Speaker 1: of this to your point in amazing shape, like Okay,
Speaker 1: Tennessee is a couple of games up in the lost column.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be tough to get the one seat. Other
Speaker 1: than that, it's all right there in front of them,
Speaker 1: and you look at their opponents and you look at
Speaker 1: the rest of the division. Nothing seems unbeat I do
Speaker 1: think this night was different, though, Mark not just like that. Okay,
Speaker 1: Damian Williams out out guns Abram for that touchdown, and
Speaker 1: you know, they make a couple of big plays, but
Speaker 1: like the ball was coming out on time. Mahomes was
Speaker 1: pretty decisive in what he was doing. It didn't feel flukey.
Speaker 1: They had a good game plan for an opponent that
Speaker 1: they know well, and they destroyed him on both sides.
Speaker 1: It was but you know, it was pretty complete to
Speaker 1: have that kind of night. And I think the Raiders,
Speaker 1: you know, they're trying to climb back into the game.
Speaker 1: They came out with a really nice opening drive to
Speaker 1: the second half. But then you get into the scenario
Speaker 1: where Deshan Jackson makes his first catch as a Raider.
Speaker 1: It's a forty yard of the Kansas City seventeen. He
Speaker 1: then fumbles it in a very strange sort of loop
Speaker 1: de loop move where the changed in on the next
Speaker 1: possession car through a prayer down field and it's picked
Speaker 1: off by Daniel Swortzon, who has been a you know,
Speaker 1: victimized for a month straight here. So I think like
Speaker 1: they had a chance to climb back in the They
Speaker 1: are missing pieces on offense and they're not the equal
Speaker 1: of the Chiefs tonight and the Chiefs I thought, I
Speaker 1: was saying, you know, on Friday, like will they come
Speaker 1: out looking a little bit different? And they did early
Speaker 1: on the way they moved the ball passes behind the
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage tonight. That the Raiders to do, I
Speaker 1: think to deactivate some of like the Las Vegas pass rush.
Speaker 1: And then they got they start throwing it deep. So
Speaker 1: it's the the antidote arrived. Wish people could have heard
Speaker 1: Dan though in the film room on that touchdown throw
Speaker 1: that we just heard and Williams yea to start this
Speaker 1: broadcast and it's fourth down. They had just gotten the
Speaker 1: fake punt. Nice job there by Townsend. Nice job by
Speaker 1: Dave Taub. Legendary UH Special Teams sixteen years. In the
Speaker 1: last sixteen years, Dan, he's had a Top five Special
Speaker 1: Teams d v O A thirteen, not a fifteen sixteen times.
Speaker 1: Number one, they need to study up on my tip.
Speaker 1: You're talking top. Sorry, I got distracted. And Dan, when
Speaker 1: it's fourth down in the place, it's like, we need
Speaker 1: a highlight, need a highlight, need a highlight on this place,
Speaker 1: need a highlight, need a highlight. And then there it's
Speaker 1: up in the air and he gets it and he
Speaker 1: gets a touch down in the place, there's the highlight
Speaker 1: and we got it, and uh yeah, a little peak
Speaker 1: behind the curtain. Should also know that. A few minutes
Speaker 1: after that, Chris Rose rolled up to the back row
Speaker 1: of the theater and had a really nice conversation with
Speaker 1: Mark about the Browns. Mark was fully engaged, I thought,
Speaker 1: Greg and that you know, it did make me think,
Speaker 1: Um I did. Actually I pondered it because um, coming
Speaker 1: off a wind, Mark sometimes likes to depress his feelings,
Speaker 1: keep him inside. But a loss, he's more open. So
Speaker 1: it's almost like with Cleveland fans, it is the losing
Speaker 1: ultimately that brings you together. Yeah, I mean, just you know,
Speaker 1: to be real, we that's the second great conversation that
Speaker 1: we had. I would say death con but because earlier
Speaker 1: in the day you stopped by our cubes before you
Speaker 1: were there Dan and uh, I thought I couldn't have
Speaker 1: been more you know, welcome and open arm to um
Speaker 1: discussing the day's events with it was good to see
Speaker 1: you guys get back together. I was wondering watching that interaction.
Speaker 1: Have you taken mark like lessons um from Derek Carr,
Speaker 1: because you know, he's talked a lot about forgiveness and
Speaker 1: being there for people, and it seems like maybe or
Speaker 1: maybe it was Chris Rose that was doing the forgiving.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but you seem to open your heart
Speaker 1: and I mean, I think even on last Tuesday's show
Speaker 1: with his voicemail, I could have found a couple of
Speaker 1: things if I wanted to to be annoyed with. And
Speaker 1: you know, another mustache reference. Yeah, And it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not claiming that I like have some sort of
Speaker 1: Burt Reynolds facial hair scenara going on. It's the opposite
Speaker 1: of that. I understand that. But he's pointed it out
Speaker 1: multiple times and that's fun when it happens again. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it seems like that that's an issue. Might have directify
Speaker 1: with him privately. So we're not out of the woods yet.
Speaker 1: But back to the Raiders, I'd be very, very nervous. Uh,
Speaker 1: if I'm a Raiders fan, it's just it does feel
Speaker 1: like it's trending downward. And Derek Carr, Greg, I know
Speaker 1: you've been out front on the Derek Carr resurgence bandwagon.
Speaker 1: You've had him high up in your QB index all year.
Speaker 1: But he made some throws in this game. Arm punts. Uh,
Speaker 1: he got away with one, he got picked off on another.
Speaker 1: It just looked like a quarterback trying to do too
Speaker 1: much as a season starts to crumble. And that's very
Speaker 1: familiar if you've been following this team the last few years,
Speaker 1: and familiar if you watched them last week too, So
Speaker 1: that that part concerns me. Coming out of the bye,
Speaker 1: that second half against the Giants was similar to the
Speaker 1: second half of this game where he just started going
Speaker 1: for that said, It's like he goes thirty to sixty
Speaker 1: one two and like it didn't feel like it was
Speaker 1: on Derek Carr. Everyone wasn't on him, but it once
Speaker 1: once it started going bad, he got very desperate. But
Speaker 1: the good things that the Raiders had been doing all
Speaker 1: seemed to go away. Their pass us to the run game,
Speaker 1: all of that. I do want to see this Kansas
Speaker 1: City versus Dallas next week before I know what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: This week, we're already there and I'm just gonna roll,
Speaker 1: just cling onto the train and run behind it. But
Speaker 1: it's like, yes, the Chiefs are back, everything's back to normal,
Speaker 1: Like let's just see. Why do things upset you so much? No,
Speaker 1: because it's like, but let's because it's such. Why are
Speaker 1: you saying you need to cling onto the train and
Speaker 1: run because you're not. It's too time in front of it,
Speaker 1: it's too tiresome to stand in front of a train.
Speaker 1: But then a narrative train chaotic neutral then say, I
Speaker 1: am not on board with the Chief's resurgence yet, I
Speaker 1: don't think we should take because much from this game
Speaker 1: I need to see next week because I think that
Speaker 1: the thing is they probably were never even close to
Speaker 1: as junkie as we thought in terms of their final destination,
Speaker 1: and they aren't what we saw tonight going forward without interruption,
Speaker 1: just something in the middle, and they were going to
Speaker 1: be junkie Cowboys Chiefs though, is that a CBS game?
Speaker 1: Give it to me, Romo sign, He's got the first
Speaker 1: round pick in the draft next week. It might be um.
Speaker 1: Final stats here Casey five and sixteen total yards to
Speaker 1: nine for the Raiders. Turnovers Casey just had one, which
Speaker 1: is a big improvement for them this season. They dominated
Speaker 1: time in possession over thirty five minutes and twenty nine
Speaker 1: to fifteen first downs, almost doubled them up first time
Speaker 1: first down on the road. That right there, Greg Rosenthal
Speaker 1: is a statement win by the Chiefs who said the
Speaker 1: division is still ours and guess what I know we have.
Speaker 1: We lose the tiebreaker to the Titans and the Bill's
Speaker 1: head to head, but do not count us out from
Speaker 1: getting red hot. I'm all in on the Chiefs. Make
Speaker 1: me look dumb. Next, make me look dumb. Okay, it's
Speaker 1: a Fox game. Don't hate that either. Love all the
Speaker 1: Troy Aikman in my life. Um, and so that'll be
Speaker 1: a good Greg is getting on. I have been this.
Speaker 1: I've been pro Troy Aikman for so you don't like him.
Speaker 1: Territory that Greg is attempting to arrest. He did it
Speaker 1: on our Friday show is his final thought with some
Speaker 1: sort of glowing twenty secondment thing. And it's like, I've
Speaker 1: a lot, It's been like a growing appreciation. It's really
Speaker 1: the Thursday night football thing. You get him twice a week,
Speaker 1: but Thursday night I'm able to just sit back enjoy
Speaker 1: watch the Let's also call out that there's a growing
Speaker 1: distance between you and Tony Romo and your belief in
Speaker 1: his commentating. You're filling in avoid Greg. Yeah, there could
Speaker 1: be something there. I don't think it's been his best season.
Speaker 1: All right, there you go. That is the Sunday of
Speaker 1: week ten. We keep rolling. We'll be back on Tuesday
Speaker 1: with our latest episode of the Around the NFL podcast,
Speaker 1: So check that out. The wheel keeps turning, Ricky, do
Speaker 1: you have any thoughts before we say goodbye? Now? You
Speaker 1: guys did a great show. Oh wow, thank you, good
Speaker 1: job and you did really nice work behind the glass.
Speaker 1: Thanks love a great night. All right, let's go home.
Speaker 1: Succession night. And so that's what daddy and mommy do together,
Speaker 1: put the kids to bed, and all they do together. Points.
Speaker 1: That's all you can know about it. All right, enough
Speaker 1: of that till Tuesday. Plead the call