1 00:00:01,800 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George 2 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Shoe, Getty. 3 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 2: Armstrong and Jetti and He Armstrong and Getty Strong. We 4 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 2: took the day off. We are not live from studio. 5 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 2: See we're home. 6 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 3: Actually it's my son's birthday, so I'm not celebrating that problem. Excellent, Well, 7 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 3: happy birthday to your son, and enjoy this carefully SELECTI 8 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 3: I mean fine booth cal good. Weeks were spent in 9 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 3: coming up with the perfect combination of. 10 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 2: Past segments from the Armstrong and Getty Show. 11 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 3: So let's all enjoy the Armstrong in Geddy replays. I'm 12 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 3: looking at a graph. It's an animated graph. It moves 13 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 3: the years. 14 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 2: Those are so cool. I love them. 15 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 3: As the years go by, the bar graph changes. You're 16 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 3: not going to see that, although we've posted it at 17 00:00:58,160 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 3: Armstrong Ingeddy dot com. 18 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 2: I retweeted it. 19 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 3: If you follow us on x formerly known as Twitter, 20 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 3: I will there are a lot of numbers here. I 21 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 3: will attempt to help make sense of them. It's better 22 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 3: to see it. But people spent their time from nineteen 23 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 3: thirty through twenty twenty four, and the punchline being of course, 24 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:22,680 Speaker 3: and we wonder why society's in decline. But in nineteen 25 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 3: thirty two, family and school were virtually tied at twenty 26 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 3: two percent and change. Then you had friends at nineteen percent, 27 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 3: with neighbors eleven point three percent, church, ten percent, bars, restaurants, 28 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 3: et cetera, eight percent college. You know, down line. Obviously 29 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 3: online was zero percent. Very few people online in nineteen 30 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:49,279 Speaker 3: thirty two. They just didn't enjoy it as much back then. Okay, 31 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 3: so let's just go ahead and jump like ten years. Oh, 32 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 3: let's see, let me silence there we go. Okay, so 33 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 3: nineteen forty two, you still have family and friends virtually tied. 34 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 3: School has fallen back a tiny bit. Neighbors is right 35 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 3: there where it always was in fourth place. 36 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 2: Church has declined a little bit. 37 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 3: Good time with coworkers, by the way, has gone up slightly. 38 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 3: It's now around five percent. How much time online in 39 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 3: nineteen forty two still zero jack, an excellent incisive question. 40 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and roll up. 41 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 3: Oh, I see people are category switching places. 42 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 2: There we are in nineteen fifty two. 43 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 3: Friends has now surpassed family by about three percent. School 44 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 3: is still big, bars, restaurants and entertainment is now significantly 45 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 3: higher than it was. Wow, from the thirties to the fifties. 46 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 3: Hanging out with the bar, at the bars with the friends. 47 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 3: Family dropping a little bit interesting, Yeah, bar, but you 48 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 3: know it's bars, restaurants, etc. But it's definitely you're out more. 49 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 3: Neighbors has fallen back a little bit. Workers now has 50 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 3: gone from four percent way up to seven percent. It's 51 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,359 Speaker 3: almost doubled how much time we spend, and church continues 52 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 3: to decline a little bit. Let's jump to nineteen sixty two. 53 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 3: We're getting close to the hippies. Yeah, Dan, not right 54 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 3: there yet. Friends is now clearly outstripped family by six 55 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 3: or seven percent. School has fallen slightly, Entertainment is now grown. 56 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 3: Time with co workers is now almost at ten percent. 57 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 3: It's now doubled from the original. Neighbors is in decline, 58 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 3: and church continues to fall. Part of it is not well, 59 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 3: it's all cultural, I guess, but it's not like attitudes. 60 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 2: I mean, your coworker was your mule in nineteen oh. 61 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 3: Two's really not that great A conversational lests right right, Okay, 62 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 3: And now I'm going to skip ahead a few decades 63 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 3: as various. 64 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 2: You're stubborn gym. I would say. 65 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 3: Various, you know, forces in our lives jockeying for position. 66 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 3: Nineteen ninety two, we're definitely spending the most time with 67 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 3: our friends, co workers. 68 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 2: And bars, restaurants, et cetera. Have both passed. 69 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 3: Family church has continued to decline only slightly from the 70 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 3: sixties to the nineties, but much more time at work 71 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 3: and much more time out being entertained, which is which 72 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:26,720 Speaker 3: is interesting. But the punchline is coming up, and some 73 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 3: of you are ahead of us. We're gonna pause right 74 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 3: at two thousand and two because there's about to be 75 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 3: a gigantic change. Online has gone from not to about 76 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 3: six and a half percent of our time online, even. 77 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 2: Though already by two thousand and two probably at work mostly. Yeah, 78 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 2: I'm going to backup just a little bit. 79 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, online four percent in two thousand and then six 80 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:54,599 Speaker 3: and three quarters percent in two thousand and two, which 81 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 3: is a significant change. But most of our time is 82 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 3: still with friends twenty seven percent, and workers and then 83 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 3: out getting entertained. Now let's introduce the smartphone, folks. I'm 84 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 3: just going to go to twenty twelve, ten years from then. 85 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 3: Online is now number one. It's gone from six seven 86 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 3: percent to twenty six percent, surpassing friends. Co workers is 87 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 3: still in third, bars and restaurants ten percent, And then 88 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 3: you get to family and school and church continues to 89 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 3: decline slightly. Online went from a non factor to how 90 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 3: most people spent most of their time in the span 91 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 3: of a decade. 92 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 2: That's twenty twelve. 93 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 3: Let's go ahead up to twenty twenty four, ladies and gentlemen, 94 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 3: I give you the modern world online sixty one percent 95 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 3: of their time. Wow, two thirdd yes, fourteen percent. Friends, 96 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 3: which had always been number one since like the nineteen 97 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,719 Speaker 3: lateineteen thirty and I'm only pretending to listen to my 98 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 3: friends so I can get back to my phone, or 99 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 3: you're sitting with your friends and you're all staring at 100 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 3: your phones together exactly. In fact, online is now four 101 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:14,600 Speaker 3: and a half times the number that friends is. Coworkers 102 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 3: has declined, bars and restaurants has declined steeply, and that 103 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 3: includes bowling at least and whatever else, probably sports games 104 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 3: and that sort of thing too. 105 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 2: Family is a tiny fraction of what it was. 106 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 3: School has declined significantly, Church has been cut in half 107 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 3: from fifteen years prior. College neighbors practically don't exist. It's 108 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:45,919 Speaker 3: all online. Has anybody got any questions? That's well, I 109 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 3: have a statement that ain't gonna change. It's never came back. 110 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:56,159 Speaker 3: As I always say, it can change in your life 111 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 3: if you decide to do it. 112 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 2: Societally, not so much. I'm talking about society. 113 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 3: It ain't going to change for society, it ain't going back, 114 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 3: which is amazing. I mean, it's the biggest it's the 115 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 3: biggest revolution in what human beings are probably. 116 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 2: That's ever happened. 117 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, as a anthropologist, you've got to look at society. 118 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 2: Sure. 119 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 3: As a human I look at society as a collection 120 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 3: of individuals, and I'm i the idea of I'm going 121 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 3: to change society is now. It's no change yourself, change 122 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 3: the people you care about. That's the only thing you, 123 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 3: as a human being, should be worried about. Honestly, the 124 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 3: immediately local and as I always say, those of us 125 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 3: who remember the before times are aging right and will 126 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 3: be gone in a blink of an eye, and there 127 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 3: won't be anybody that remembers any of what life was 128 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 3: like before online, which was everything. It was everything right 129 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 3: every day, you know, prior to whatever Night ninety eight 130 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 3: was not online, every single thing, and then that it 131 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 3: gets obliterated, and there but anybody left who remembers what 132 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 3: life was. On the other hand, on the upside, is 133 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 3: everybody's happy. Oh wait no, actually everybody's miserable. Loneliness is epidemic. 134 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 3: Therapists are printing money, et cetera. You know, interestingly, they 135 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 3: don't have babies, no babies. Google search volume for the 136 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 3: following things how to meet people has skyrocketed from what 137 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 3: is this millions of people from twenty five million to 138 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:38,559 Speaker 3: one hundred million. From two thousand nine to two hundred 139 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 3: and twenty four, It's quadrupled. How to meet people, how 140 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 3: to meet new people? Similar where to make friends has 141 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:50,079 Speaker 3: gone from that looks like fifteen million to over one 142 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 3: hundred million. The Google search feel lonely has gone from 143 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 3: forty five million or so up to it peeked during 144 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 3: not surprisingly at around ninety million. So people are aware 145 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 3: of how they feel, which you think. 146 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 2: I hope they live to be a ripe old age. 147 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 3: I really do, because I'd like I'd like like if 148 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 3: I can hang around to them one hundred and forty 149 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 3: years from now, I'd love to see where the world is, 150 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 3: where things are. 151 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 2: I'm not optimistic. 152 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 3: But you know, probably your average sixty year old through 153 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:29,559 Speaker 3: history has been not optimistic. Thinks that you know, things 154 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:32,559 Speaker 3: have changed and young people today and blah blah blah. 155 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 2: But this time we're right, this time we're right. 156 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:37,199 Speaker 1: Yeah. 157 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:39,319 Speaker 2: The uh the only. 158 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 3: Thing that really shakes up that thought in my head, 159 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 3: that rabbit hole, is that there will be gigantic, unforeseen, 160 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 3: cataclysmic changes. 161 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 2: That will derail the whole. 162 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 3: Uh you know, ABCD all of a sudden will be 163 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 3: at s or you know, or or in a completely 164 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 3: different or accounting backward like it's a priety test. I 165 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 3: can't even do that, sober officer. The as for me 166 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 3: and mine, I'm absorbing this. I am going to send 167 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 3: this to everybody I care about. The drop off in 168 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 3: time with family and friends towards staring at your phone. 169 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:21,679 Speaker 2: I mean, what, you know, what is there to say 170 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 2: about that. 171 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 3: Family, schooling and friends went from sixty one percent of 172 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 3: the time two now I silenced you earlier, went from 173 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 3: sixty one percent to family school and friends down to 174 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 3: there is twenty percent. 175 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. 176 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 3: So I think one of the problems also is if 177 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:55,839 Speaker 3: you if you tell young people that, I think most 178 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 3: of them would say. 179 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds really boring. Family friends in school kill me. Now. 180 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 3: It's not like they would look at that and think, wow, 181 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 3: that seems like that would have been a great age 182 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 3: to be alive. Right to be entertained is not to 183 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 3: be nourished. I would say to them, you're not getting nourishment, 184 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 3: and then I would realize they're not listening. 185 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 2: They're staring at TikTok. 186 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 3: You need to argue with the human brain. Dopamine hits 187 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 3: seem to be pretty popular. We like our dopamine. I've 188 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 3: been arguing with my brain since the day I was born. 189 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 3: That dopamine hit gets a lot of people to do 190 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 3: a lot of things all day today and every day, 191 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 3: and there are trillions of dollars being made through it. 192 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,679 Speaker 2: Yeah no, but they've got your best interests in mind. 193 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 2: Take their word for it. Sure they do it. Jack 194 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 2: Armstrong and Joey Armstrong and Getty Show. 195 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 3: Officials are saying this year's fall foliage season will end 196 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 3: sooner and we'll have more muted colors. 197 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:56,679 Speaker 2: Cool. 198 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 3: I guess I'll just kill myself there. 199 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 2: Wow Ah, that's funny. 200 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 3: That's kind of a snarky millennial who gives a crap 201 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:10,439 Speaker 3: about fall colors sort of joke. 202 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 2: That sounds like some of my kids would really enjoy 203 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 2: that joke. 204 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 4: So Katie, Katy, Katie needs to set up this clip 205 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:20,679 Speaker 4: because this is a big deal. 206 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 2: Uh Okay. 207 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 5: So I've talked a couple of times on the program 208 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 5: about how my husband and I have been going through 209 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:29,079 Speaker 5: the IVF process, uh. 210 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:30,079 Speaker 2: Trying to get knocked up. 211 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 5: And we in the beginning of September went through the 212 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 5: embryo transfer of our little baby boy that will obviously 213 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 5: be named Jack Joe Mike Mike. And last Thursday we 214 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 5: had our first ultrasound and heartbeat appointment. 215 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 2: So unlike me, he has a heart that's little Jack 216 00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:59,559 Speaker 2: Joe Mike Mike. That's little Jack Joe Mike Mike's heartbeat. 217 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 2: Think you has a art that's a good joke. Oh yeah, 218 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 2: that's freaking amazing and incredible. It is. 219 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 4: And uh, I was thinking this the other day because 220 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 4: my son's band teacher, they're having their first kid, and 221 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 4: he's all excited about that. There is nothing as life 222 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 4: changing or relationship changing as the first kid. I mean, 223 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 4: just everything in the entire world that you think about 224 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 4: changes when that happens. It is amazing. 225 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 3: When Judy was first pregnant with Caitlin, many many moons ago, 226 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 3: I dove into fetal development. I became super interested in 227 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 3: it for obvious reasons, and read books and articles and 228 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 3: stuff like that. And I'm not going to get into 229 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 3: the politics of this because it's not an appropriate moment. 230 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 3: But anybody who thinks a fetus is not a human 231 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 3: being till very late in the game has no idea 232 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 3: what they're talking about. 233 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 5: Oh, I mean, it's the pictures that I'll put them 234 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 5: on my Twitter account. She took the cursor and she pointed, 235 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 5: you can see his little arms in his legs in 236 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 5: the ultrasound, and he is currently the size of a 237 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 5: jelly bean. 238 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 3: But a fully recognizable human. Give it another couple of months. 239 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 5: Oh, I can't wait. It's just it's been so amazing 240 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 5: and the process was hard but so worth it. And 241 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 5: to hear that made it. I mean, I knew it 242 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 5: was real, but hearing that heartbeat just kind of brought 243 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 5: it all the more to life for me. 244 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 3: Oh, of course, how long has that technology been around? 245 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 3: Did they have it when your first kid was born? 246 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 2: Joe? Yeah, Oh yeah, so it's been around that long. 247 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I don't know how it's progressed in terms 248 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 3: of like sensitivity and how early you can hear the 249 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 3: heart beat and that sort of thing. I don't know, 250 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 3: but like all this stuff unimaginable to my parents, knowing 251 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 3: the sex ahead of time, or hearing the heart beat 252 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 3: or knowing anything. 253 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 5: So my my, I did have I misspoke. I had 254 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 5: one ultrasound prior. Could not hear the heart beat last Thursday? 255 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 5: Did hear the heartbeat? I'm at eight and a half weeks. 256 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 5: It was a little fast. Were you drinking a lot 257 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 5: of coffee here? 258 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 3: Oh? 259 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 2: Just totally jacked up. 260 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 3: No, it's just sounds like it sounds like me after 261 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 3: I come up a flight of stairs pretty much exactly. 262 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 2: It's more stairs than it looks. That's me. 263 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 3: Four cups of coffee in, Yeah, that's Jack what he's 264 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 3: having one with caffeine free. 265 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 2: He starts checking his pulse. 266 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 4: End up at the er because I drink so much coffee. 267 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 2: Amazing, absolutely amazing. 268 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 3: The miracle of life and the fact that a certain 269 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 3: segment of our political population thinks that a woman's supernatural 270 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 3: goddess like miraculous ability to bring life into the world 271 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 3: is somehow a lesser occupation than occupying a cubicle and 272 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 3: making a few bucks. That's a much more important and 273 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 3: recon respectable thing to do. 274 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 2: It makes you equal with men? Yes, right, Why why 275 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 2: would you want to be equal with men? You're capable 276 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 2: of miracles. The only miracle that counts, and. 277 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 3: That's being devalued. Family is being devalued. Makes me insane. 278 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 2: Well, congratulations on being a birthing person. Thank you. I 279 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 2: appreciate it. Soon to men. 280 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 3: Men can give birth too, so let's not be using 281 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 3: prejudicial terms like mother. 282 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 5: Right, well, and so little Jack, Joe, Mike, Mike, is 283 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 5: you on May twenty seventh? 284 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 2: Okay, that's a good that's a good time. Good time 285 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 2: is it for short? Probably? Joe? 286 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 3: Right, something's got to give. Thank you for sharing that, Katie. 287 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 3: You know that's wonderful. 288 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 2: Katie. 289 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 4: You know what I did this morning that was horrifying. Well, 290 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 4: I didn't do it on purpose. It just happened. For 291 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 4: whatever reason. I woke up and I was convinced it 292 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 4: was Saturday morning, so I will woke up and I 293 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 4: was like thinking of my plans for the day, and oh. 294 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 2: Well, you know, trick, the God's cruels, trick I just 295 00:16:58,480 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 2: was going through. 296 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 4: You know it looks like it's going to be nice 297 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 4: and uh, probably ride my bike and then I'll do 298 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:05,120 Speaker 4: this and cleaning yourge Monday. 299 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 3: Not only was it not Saturday, it was freaking Monday, 300 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 3: which is. 301 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 1: The worst day. You're gonna get down the salt mine. 302 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: You're gonna dig, boy, that's what you're gonna do. That 303 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: was so tough on my psyche. It was painful. I 304 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: thought I was gonna cry. 305 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 6: Grocery chains Stu Leonard says gained attention online after it 306 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 6: began offering vanilla sauce serve dipped in melted butter. So, yeah, 307 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 6: we're gonna need those Obamacare subsidies. 308 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 4: That might fit into your story about scientists have figured 309 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 4: out why ice is slippery. I don't quite understand how 310 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 4: you could dip an ice cream cone into melted butter 311 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 4: and have that work. It seems like it would just 312 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 4: melt your ice cream cone into the melted butter and 313 00:17:58,480 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 4: you end up with a baking vests. 314 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:03,159 Speaker 3: Now you'd quickly you quick dip it in the butter 315 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 3: hardens on your ice cream, and you have an inedible 316 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 3: thing nobody should ever put in their mouth. 317 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:10,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. 318 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:14,239 Speaker 3: It's funny I hear about that, and I think, oh, 319 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 3: another dumb novelty ice cream flavor. People who are like 320 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 3: delighted by that over and over again, garlic ice cream, 321 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 3: you know, pickle flavored ice cream. They're happier than I am. 322 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 3: They're lucky I should them. They are bear flavored pizza. Yeah, people, gosh, 323 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 3: people will always react with joy to those stories. 324 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 2: You're right, they are happier than you are. Yeah, huh. 325 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 3: Anyway, so we talked about this scientist to laugh about 326 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 3: every That's what she said, joke. 327 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 2: Some of them are very amusing. Oh, some of them are. 328 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 3: Some of them Mark you remember, for a while we 329 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 3: went with behind the scenes just like in prison, which 330 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 3: which is a tougher one to find. It's more it's 331 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 3: a more advanced form of that's what she said. 332 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:01,160 Speaker 4: I got a big les half out of my brothers 333 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 4: got our old coworker Jay told us this one one 334 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 4: of the funniest things I've ever heard. His thing to say, 335 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 4: if somebody walked into a room, so he's having a 336 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 4: conversation with somebody, somebody walks up to him, they don't 337 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 4: know what you're talking about, and you just say, and 338 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 4: that's why. 339 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 2: Women shouldn't pole vault. Anyway, what can I do for you? Right? 340 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 3: Hilarious, It's very very funny. 341 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 2: Was that Jay Or was that Tim? Tim the sales guy? 342 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:30,160 Speaker 2: That was Jay? 343 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 3: Okay, So anyway, we were talking yesterday about how humans 344 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 3: rank on the scale of monogamy compared to other mammals. 345 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 2: It was a fascinating discussion. 346 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:42,879 Speaker 3: At the top of the list, the California deer mouse 347 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 3: is apparently one hundred percent monogamous, and at the bottom 348 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 3: is the slutty slutty Soay sheep native to Scotland that 349 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 3: just will mate with anything that wanders by and is 350 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 3: pretty interesting. We got some good email comments too that 351 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 3: we're in. Are you using the term mate and have 352 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 3: sex interchangeably? 353 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:05,880 Speaker 2: Yes? 354 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, although, as we discussed yesterday, with humans, it's much 355 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 3: more complicated than other beasts because A we have birth control. 356 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 3: B we might copulate with multiple partners and then be 357 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 3: monogamous once we started producing children. Ce might have just 358 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 3: done three shots at yegermeister, right, Yeah, unfortunate anyway, it 359 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 3: can skew the results. But so I did it a 360 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:35,920 Speaker 3: little digging about, all right, how how monogamous are human 361 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 3: beings meant to be? Biologically? Because in you know, being 362 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 3: a human. We have societal pressures as well, cultural norms, religion, 363 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 3: that sort of thing. 364 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 2: We have a word for that out of Marxism. This 365 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 2: is a social construct. 366 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 3: Oh, the patriarchy is pushed upon you. Some shut up now, yeah, 367 00:20:56,400 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 3: please be quiet, you you woke idiots. Anyway, So I 368 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,880 Speaker 3: just did a little digging about what do biologists think 369 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 3: we're designed to be? 370 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 2: And the answer is pretty interesting. 371 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 3: Anthropology doesn't really give a clear answer to the question 372 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 3: are we meant to be monogamous or not? Historically most 373 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 3: cultures have allowed polygamy, but within such cultures, most people 374 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 3: are monogamous. In the numerous cultures where polygamy is a 375 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 3: function of wealth, there are no doubt many monogamous men 376 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 3: who would be polygamous if they could buy more wives. 377 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 3: And then, of course there are the rare polyandrous cultures 378 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 3: where one woman may have multiple husbands. Other primates, though, 379 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 3: offer insights into our human nature. Among the hundreds of 380 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 3: primate species, by the way, worth mentioning, every single damn 381 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 3: one of them has two sexes, male and female. Anyway, 382 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 3: Some are bigamous, including are close relatives chimps and baboons. 383 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:10,160 Speaker 3: Others are monogamous, like gibbons and marmo sets, Each group 384 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 3: has a different cluster of biological and behavioral traits. Here's 385 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 3: where I thought it gets really interesting. Among your polyamorous primates. 386 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 3: The males typically spend much of their time competing for 387 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 3: high rank in dominance hierarchies. So that gets them to 388 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 3: mate with the hot hot you know, lady chimps for instance, 389 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,880 Speaker 3: So they drive a cool car or have nice clothes 390 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:36,360 Speaker 3: right exactly, fly private anyway, that gives them mating access 391 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 3: to females. 392 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:38,880 Speaker 2: So in those speech. 393 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:42,639 Speaker 3: Mating access is not the sexiest TERMINI I know, I know, 394 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:47,920 Speaker 3: I know, males are so in these species the polyamorous ones, 395 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 3: males are far more aggressive, much bigger, heavier, and more 396 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 3: muscular than the females, and they have bigger canine teeth 397 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 3: the better to slash an opponent with. Male baboons, for example, 398 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:05,719 Speaker 3: have twice the body weight in canine length of the females. 399 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 3: They are literally twice as big as the females. Such 400 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 3: primates are often called for good reason tournament species. Ooh, 401 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 3: tournament species males in these bigger canine teeth, could I 402 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 3: get those implanet? Oh? 403 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:19,120 Speaker 2: Absolutely you could. 404 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely or order away for this supplement guaranteed to work, 405 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:23,680 Speaker 3: good luck or turning it. 406 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 2: So. 407 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 3: Males in these species have higher metabolic rates in shorter 408 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 3: lifespans than the females, and they basically put zero effort 409 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 3: into caring for kids. In other words, all the female 410 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,159 Speaker 3: gets is the male's genes, and the females select for 411 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 3: males with good genes period, which has led to the 412 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 3: evolution of conspicuous, conspicuous, costly displays in males that advertise 413 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 3: good genes, flamboyant facial coloration, big capes of hair, silver backs. 414 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:56,640 Speaker 3: They're the primate equivalents of peacocks with their beautiful feathers. 415 00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 4: I always thought my flamboyant facial coloration was working for me. 416 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 2: Because bright red when I get mad, right right, Ooh 417 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 2: he's sexy. Look how angry he is now. 418 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:15,680 Speaker 3: Because the fertile females will mate with multiple males, tisk tisk, 419 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 3: male male competition extends to sperm competition. So by primate standards, 420 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 3: polygamous male primates have large testes as a percentage of 421 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:33,880 Speaker 3: body weight and high sperm production, and they will happily yeah, actually, 422 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,479 Speaker 3: and they'll happily mate with anyone in the county who 423 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 3: is ovulating, So they walk around with their long incisors, 424 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:41,479 Speaker 3: their huge size. 425 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 2: They're big balls. The rest of it. 426 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 3: Now, among your monogamous pair bonding primates. 427 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 2: Who's ovulating, I'm ready for a mating episode. 428 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:56,160 Speaker 3: Critically, the males do much of the infant care. Thus 429 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 3: you don't see a male indiscriminately mating left and right, 430 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 3: or fighting other for a chance to do so, since 431 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:03,919 Speaker 3: he'll be doing a lot of work. If there's a child, 432 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 3: I gotta stack a laundry, you wouldn't believe he'll be 433 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 3: raising a family. In these primates, there isn't a high 434 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 3: degree of sexual dimorphism, meaning huge differences in body sized, musculature, metabolism, 435 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,879 Speaker 3: and lifespan, and males don't have those garish secondary sexual 436 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:24,360 Speaker 3: characteristics like the polygamous species does. Testes or smaller sperm count, low, 437 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 3: mating infrequent, and these profiles are consistent. If ten seconds 438 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 3: into watching a newly discovered type of prime meat you 439 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 3: see that the males are twice the size of females 440 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 3: and have flashing neon noses, the issue is settled. 441 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 2: It's a polygamous species. 442 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 3: If you can't if it takes a minute to tell 443 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 3: the difference between the sexes they're monogamous. 444 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 4: Well, what I think is, did this just both ways 445 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 4: worked evolutionarily speaking, and. 446 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 2: Could have gone either way? It just went one way 447 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 2: for one reason. 448 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 4: Or is it that particular animal that way better than 449 00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:58,120 Speaker 4: the other way? 450 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,639 Speaker 2: Don't know enough to answer that ques question, but it's 451 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 2: a good one. 452 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:06,159 Speaker 3: I'm super super into evolutionary stuff and watches gazillions of 453 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 3: videos about it, and I have learned from him that 454 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 3: it's not near you'd think after all these gazillions of years, 455 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 3: we'd like really perfected it. There's a lot of luck 456 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 3: involved in some ways, there's two ways. Sometimes there's two 457 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 3: ways to get to the same point, and this way 458 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 3: is as good as that way. So human beings, you know, 459 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 3: in one part, a different human species did it this way, 460 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 3: and this human species did it this way. 461 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 2: Not for any particular reason, just kind of worked out 462 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 2: that way. 463 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, So let's bring it home to humans now, So 464 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,880 Speaker 3: you get your polygamous with their big incisors and their 465 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,199 Speaker 3: huge size and their short life spans the rest of it. 466 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 3: Then you got the entirely monogamous. They're much harder to 467 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 3: tell apart blah blah blah. So by these various biological measures, 468 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:57,159 Speaker 3: are human a pair bonding or a tournament species, neither 469 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 3: Across populations, men are roughly ten percent taller and twenty 470 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,640 Speaker 3: percent heavier than women. We need twenty percent more calories 471 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:08,880 Speaker 3: and live about six percent shorter, more sexually dimorphic than 472 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:14,440 Speaker 3: monogamous species, less than polygamous species. Moreover, compared with say, 473 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 3: monogamous gibbons human billy gibbons, for instance, of zz top 474 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,919 Speaker 3: human males have bigger testes and higher sperm counts, but 475 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 3: pale in comparison to polygamous chimps. 476 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 2: Measure after measure, it's the same. 477 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 3: Turns out that we aren't monogamous or polygamous by nature, 478 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 3: as everyone from poets to divorce attorneys can attest, we 479 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 3: are by nature a profoundly confused species somewhere in between. 480 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,160 Speaker 4: Well, we have because we have the ability to think 481 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 4: and make decisions and let our instincts run wild or 482 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 4: curtail or instincts if we'd come up with a. 483 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 3: Worldview that convinces us we should. Indeed, yeah, indeed. 484 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,120 Speaker 4: Monkeys are not thinking about what would Jesus do when 485 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,639 Speaker 4: it comes to you know, having sex with another monkey. 486 00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 2: They should, but they don't. 487 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 3: Only hippies who are trying to get laid or going 488 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,199 Speaker 3: around trying to concease. You know, we're not meant to 489 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 3: be monogamous. That's a social construct. What ever? Shut Yeah, 490 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 3: you know what, somebody uses the term social construct for anything. 491 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 3: I immediately think, all right, your worldview came from some 492 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 3: radical professor. It exists, but it doesn't exist nearly as 493 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:24,439 Speaker 3: much as you think it exists. There chum anyway, So 494 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:29,120 Speaker 3: really interesting demographic data is coming out. We've talked about 495 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 3: it before, about women's changing expectations and politics and desire 496 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 3: to get married and desire to have kids and that 497 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 3: sort of thing. And as we mentioned yesterday, I think 498 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 3: it was men, particularly conservative men are as interested in 499 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 3: having children as they have ever been. Well that's an overstatement, 500 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 3: but certainly compared to like twenty thirty years ago. 501 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 2: They are absolutely young. 502 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 3: Men are interested in it, and women are way less 503 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 3: interesting did And the more liberal they are, the less 504 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,480 Speaker 3: interested they are in having children. And there's this imbalanced 505 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 3: mismatch between men and women and their desire to get 506 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 3: coupled and have children, that sort of thing. And nobody 507 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 3: knows where this is going or if it's going to 508 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 3: be a long term trend or whatever. 509 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 2: The gaps among liberal women are just crazy. 510 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 3: They've changed completely in twenty years, thirty years in their attitudes. 511 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 3: What seems to be changing is women's expectations, and the 512 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 3: likely culprit is men's prospects rights. 513 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 2: Who is this? 514 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 3: She writes, really well, Emily Joshinsky for the Washington Post, 515 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 3: do we have time for this? 516 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 2: Ladies? 517 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 4: You need to find one of those tournament dudes with 518 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 4: the really big testicles. 519 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 2: Wow wow, Okay. 520 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 3: Great historical data shows that when men's educational economic outcomes decline, 521 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 3: it is women without a college degree who experienced the 522 00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 3: sharpest declines in marriage rates. And women's perceived appeal as 523 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 3: marriage partners is not declining, but men's is. And what 524 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 3: Emily brings home and maybe when we have more time, 525 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 3: we'll talk about this at greater length. But she goes 526 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 3: into the whole war on boys in schools, the de industrialization, 527 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 3: efforts to make schools just custom made for girls and 528 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 3: act like boys are unhealthy. And I love this last part. 529 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 3: The trend line of women reporting a declining desire to 530 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 3: marry me indeed reflect pessimism about their prospects rather than 531 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 3: the institution itself, and not for ideological reasons so much 532 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 3: as crack practical ones. If the last several decades have 533 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 3: taught us anything about the battle of the sexes, we 534 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,719 Speaker 3: should remember that the war on boys is also a 535 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 3: war on girls. 536 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, well, I have more to say about that, 537 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 4: because I know a lot of women who talk about 538 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 4: the poor pickings out there for dudes. 539 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 2: You know, this is portrayed as women don't want to 540 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 2: get married. 541 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 4: Okay, maybe they don't want to get married to dudes 542 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 4: who live with their parents and play video games all 543 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 4: day and who have been systematically emasculated by you and 544 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 4: the schools you designed. 545 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a. 546 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 3: Complicated mixt amen from Katie there. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, nice job. 547 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 3: The war on boys is a war on girls. My 548 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 3: band is going to be my rock band. My heavy 549 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 3: rock band is going to be called Tournament Testicles. That'd 550 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 3: be a good name for a base. I'm not going 551 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 3: to your shows. I don't care if there's no cover, 552 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 3: I'm not coming. You see the logo. 553 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 6: Jack Armstrong and Joe Gatty the Armstrong and Getty Show. 554 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 2: I got a Santa question for you. 555 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 3: So there are two kinds of Santas, and one kind 556 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 3: has been growing a lot over the last decades or so. 557 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 3: So most of my Santa experience growing up, and I'm 558 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 3: talking about the Santa you meet at the mall, and 559 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 3: then also the kind of Christmas decorations you have. It 560 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 3: was kind of a campy, jokey, cartoonish, bright red. 561 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 2: Santa. 562 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 4: And then you've got the other kind that I usually 563 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 4: saw in like richer people's houses or whatnot. The much 564 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 4: darker red looks like an Eastern Orthodox priest Santa Father Christmas? 565 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 2: Is that it more a European? Yeah? 566 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, that look right? Which do you prefer? I go, 567 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 3: you're gonna yell at me for this because you're a monster. 568 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 3: I kind of like the variety of cultural norms involving Christmas. 569 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 3: I love center clause the Netherlands guy who comes with 570 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 3: as David Sedaris famously wrote about six to eight black 571 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 3: men and beats the hell out of you if you're 572 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 3: a bad kid. 573 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 2: But well, Katie, you have a thought on this. Do 574 00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 2: you know what I'm talking about? Yeah? I do. 575 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,520 Speaker 5: I like the I like the red, the typical one 576 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 5: that you see. 577 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 2: You haven't meant to like the Santa pub crawls. 578 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I kind of like the bright red, cartoonish 579 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 4: looking Santa. 580 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 3: Right, I'm not gonna do like a Father Christmas type 581 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 3: blow up in my yard, for instance. 582 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 2: People would look at that and say, what the hell 583 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 2: is that? 584 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 3: Well, it's it's you know, and this might make some people, man, 585 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 3: but I've always felt like that other one kinda is 586 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 3: like put trying to push Santa into part of the 587 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 3: Jesus story. It's like a religious figure because it looks 588 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 3: very Eastern Orthodoxy church like. Well, I hate to contradict 589 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:46,720 Speaker 3: your seculary humanist filth, but Saint Nicholas, Please anybody, Saint Nicholas. 590 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:52,440 Speaker 2: It's a religious ceremony, it's a tradition. It's the birth 591 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,560 Speaker 2: of Christ, for the love of Heaven. I understand that. 592 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 4: But I have a pretty I have a pretty stark defines, 593 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 4: and for the season, I've got them very divided. 594 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 2: There's the Jesus Christmas and then there's. 595 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:15,719 Speaker 3: The frost Genius, Frosty the Snowman, right, bright Red. You 596 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,960 Speaker 3: know that whole thing, which is they have nothing to 597 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:19,719 Speaker 3: do with each other really, And I feel like the 598 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 3: other kind of Santa tries to blend them together and aware. 599 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,760 Speaker 3: Oh you know, I shouldn't have want you. I will continue, 600 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:31,880 Speaker 3: but I shouldn't have There's a weird parallel. And I'm 601 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:33,759 Speaker 3: not a scholar on this, so this will be you know, 602 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 3: half assed at best, but a weird parallel between the 603 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:42,520 Speaker 3: way the early Christian Church co opted pagan holidays and said, hey, 604 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 3: this fertility of the you know, or this fertility festival. 605 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,240 Speaker 2: Is now going to be about the resurrection of Jesus. 606 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,399 Speaker 2: So it's around the same time in the calendar. Let's 607 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:54,640 Speaker 2: let's let's make it this. 608 00:34:55,080 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 3: It's kind of there's a completely secular holiday that's arisen 609 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:02,520 Speaker 3: from Christmas. 610 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. 611 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:07,080 Speaker 4: I had the Eastern Orthodox Church looking Santa in the restaurant. 612 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:08,719 Speaker 4: Came into the restaurant we were in last night and 613 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 4: took some pictures with my kids. He doesn't wear the 614 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,880 Speaker 4: hat because that's would be a little too jokey. 615 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,880 Speaker 3: It's a serious man. Yeah, this guy looks serious. No 616 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:18,759 Speaker 3: hoo ho ho ing or anything like that. Was like 617 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:20,480 Speaker 3: seriousness and we're down to business. 618 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:27,200 Speaker 2: Armstrong, Andy Song and kennedyng Andy